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@cj-hw3pv

Жыл бұрын

Neither. Daemon with all his faults should be heir. Imo Rhaynera and Daemon should of married and had children. Disgusting but targaryan af

@kyle857

Жыл бұрын

As typical with these stories, everyone is both wrong and right.

@saiyanmgtow

Жыл бұрын

Corlyis!!!!

@Mitcheck315

Жыл бұрын

the important thing imo is that the show is making a way better case for Alicent than the book did

@thisguy8106

Жыл бұрын

They're both in the wrong. I'm not picking any side.. I know what both sides are capable of and I'm just interested in seeing how everyone defends their "team"...

It's kind of heartbreaking to watching the kids interact because they're... doing kid stuff. Aegon clearly likes his nephews. Their parents have failed them

@RedRoseSeptember22

Жыл бұрын

Yeah :(

@rkiwtir1146

Жыл бұрын

Rhaenyra's kids are just eyeing to play with Aemond. I hope they get the chance to

@8Hshan

Жыл бұрын

@@rkiwtir1146 I see what you did there :)

@nocchi.9589

Жыл бұрын

Aegon's interactions with his nephew were so sweet. I love the part where Jace looks at Aegon first before telling Vermax dracarys.

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

Hard to tell. Aegon seems like a typical first royal spoiled child. Not sure if he likes his nephews or just likes that he is older and can manipulate them. The teasing of his own brother is pretty normal for siblings but definitely bad parenting for Alicent to say he can bully Aemond at home. The message should be no bullying obviously. It's interesting Rhaeneras kids know of the rumors about them and flat out ask their mom about it.

I think there's an important detail in this episode When Viserys was suggested a C-section, he asked "can the child survive?" When Daemon is asked the same, he asks "will the mother survive?"

@DeathsquadDemongods

Жыл бұрын

While it was nice of Daemon to not be prioritizing the mother over the child, I thought it was a bit hardcore for the mom to allow the baby to fry with her. She might know she's gone for sure, but the baby could be saved. Daemon, I assume, isnt that big on kids anyway, and wouldnt have stood in ehr way

@mitsunitaiko1742

Жыл бұрын

@@DeathsquadDemongods she thought they were both done and decided to leave her own way. Can you blame her?

@lisas3545

9 ай бұрын

Daemon married Laena over politics and to get away from Rhaenrya and his brother. The show makes it clear and Daemon was miserable without his Targ family. Asking if the mother will survive would be a way out. That's just Daemon. And, Raenys was suspicious about Laena's death. Daemon did not show any emotion but shock and admiration. The death of Viserys and his child with Rhaenrya brought him to his knees. Daemon had a fleet of ships, 2 childten to use as heirs, and dragons. That is what he wanted from that union. All to help..Rhaenyra.

I straight up did not notice, until this video, that Viserys lost an arm between episodes 😂

@merrittanimation7721

Жыл бұрын

Me neither.

@obergruppenfuhrer3171

Жыл бұрын

he's literally falling apart 😂

@acediadekay3793

Жыл бұрын

He lost 2 hands this episode 😉

@paulhui3282

Жыл бұрын

Dont worry, Neither did Alt Shift X lol! someone pointed it out in the livestream, and he was like: Oh he iiiissss missing an arm!

@nicolablackwood1286

Жыл бұрын

ME NEITHER 😅

Alicent: marries a Targareyn. Also Alient: wonders why her children are acting weird.

@clemenIemon

Жыл бұрын

nah it’s gotta be her genes making them weird, rhaenrya and her sons are normal. same w daemons daughters

@justt1984

Жыл бұрын

@@clemenIemon has nothing to do with their genes, they mostly have quirky personalities and Aemond being obsessed with being a dragon rider while seeing his nephews and brother have dragons is not strange at all

@Abhi-wh3ik

Жыл бұрын

@@clemenIemon how much hatred you incest loving Daemyra shippers are holding for fictional complex characters, lol? A child is weird because of their mothers gene?🤦

@kurade1096

Жыл бұрын

@@clemenIemon Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin...

@miketrujillo3677

Жыл бұрын

@@justt1984 I just realized I was rewatching an old video I was like there's no way this man just described a drunken rapist as a quirky dude, but I get it hadnt happened yet lmao

Gotta give props to Rhaenyra for actually bringing some fresh genes into the Targaryen bloodline.

@merrittanimation7721

Жыл бұрын

Yeah at this rate without it they’ll start giving birth to half dragon hybrids. Wait…

@Eremon1

Жыл бұрын

🤣When your family tree slowly becomes a stick you have to act...

@thamayor6324

Жыл бұрын

Viserys did too lol

@Darkstar_Dayne

Жыл бұрын

@@merrittanimation7721 Laena was supposed to have one of those

@Darkstar_Dayne

Жыл бұрын

@@thamayor6324 Viserys' wife was Aemma Arryn she was a cousin her mother was Daela Targareyen

I like that Alt Shift never directly spoils the show for the non-readers, but he drops little bits of wording that serve as winks for us who have have read the books.

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. As someone who has not read the books, i appreciate it. Plus, the show deviates from the books somewhat

@JoJoJet100

Жыл бұрын

I mean he did spoil that Helaena's prophecy will come true. Sure he censored what she said, but anyone who remembers what she said would have gotten spoiled.

@Shiva182Katarina

Жыл бұрын

@@JoJoJet100 It's in one of the trailers also

@melodyogonna

Жыл бұрын

I smile anytime I see one of those "winks"

@desertghostflower384

Жыл бұрын

As a non-reader it kind of stands out when he does this

Alicent: "honor and decency will prevail" Also Alicent: "keeps a murderer from facing justice and makes him her kingsguard/gossip buddy"

@thehumanity0

Жыл бұрын

Now a murderer kingsguard AND a devious kinslaying psychopath. She's on a role picking and choosing her allies.

@onTimeAlways404

Жыл бұрын

Yup, hypocrisy at its finest. It's a huge theme. The standard of honor she imposes on others becomes suspiciously lenient when applied to herself or anyone that furthers her personal interest. She is corrupt already and it will only get worse. On the flip side, Rhanerya has been quite foolish. It would've been prudent to have at least 1 legitimate child, even if she had to go full Margarey Tyrell and bring in help to get her husband going. Really curious where this goes

@bibekkoirala352

Жыл бұрын

​@@onTimeAlways404 I believe both are shit anyway, Rhanerya is getting pass cuz of good acting cuz her job would be to gain people's favour as women cannot be "head of the state" instead of that affair. I believe Alicient is more "moral" in medieval times.

@aliakapoor

Жыл бұрын

And wants her rapist son to ascend the throne, has a disgusting session of grossness with Larys and never punishes larys for killing his own family. Alicent doesn't think Rhaenyra would be fit to rule but her son, who rapes any woman who's not giving him consent would be fit to rule. Sure, there's not been Aegon the rapist.

@woksippingwigga

Жыл бұрын

@@thehumanity0 "devious kinslaying psychopath" that can be said for almost every Targaryen who shows up in the show 💀💀

I'm sure George thought naming extremely minor historical figures after Muppets (Elmo, Kermit, Oscar) would just get lost in the endless amounts of history, but it'd be hilarious if they had to introduce the characters now that they're expanding on Fire and Blood.

@Darkstar_Dayne

Жыл бұрын

I'd be pissed if they changed the names

@nolangerrans6083

Жыл бұрын

Glory to Grover, lord of the riverlands and protector of Sesame St.

@Wolfeson28

Жыл бұрын

Oh, we're going to see most if not all of them. I'm sure they'll keep all the same names, and maybe even drop a cheeky easter egg in somewhere. :)

@MrChisleblast

Жыл бұрын

Holding out hope for a Ser Snufflelupagus Tully

@TheHonoredMadman

Жыл бұрын

I'll be upset if there's no Kermit Tully

Vhagar and Caraxes having their first "Dance" in this episode, just flying and having a great time together is so poetic and ironic at it's very essence.

@Hoosier765

Жыл бұрын

Shows that the dragons have nothing against eachother. It's the riders.

@merrittanimation7721

Жыл бұрын

Spoilers The Battle Over the God’s is gonna be painful in the best way possible

@thebengali_

Жыл бұрын

Back when Aemon and Baelon were alive, they danced back then as well. 🙇🏻‍♂️

@nicolablackwood1286

Жыл бұрын

😭💔

@pderham26

Жыл бұрын

What the fuck is this comment

I actually think Rhaenyra choosing to take Joffrey to Alicent herself rather than passing him to a servant was a display of strength, as well showing that she has become paranoid about Alicent and her intent towards her children (just as Alicent has of her).

Viserys just loves his family and wants them to all get along and get what they want, but what they want is mutually exclusive.

@banquetoftheleviathan1404

Жыл бұрын

And he plays with micromachines! I’m gonna miss him

@merrittanimation7721

Жыл бұрын

Man just wants everyone to get along and indulge in his hobbies, but reality keeps getting in the way

@xBezerkerrr

Жыл бұрын

@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 lmao micromachines

@Sajirah

Жыл бұрын

I love that they made Helaena into just as much of a nerd as her dad. They both just want to indulge in their nerdy hobbies.

@NekoChan-ir6dy

Жыл бұрын

I think its really telling that a few episodes ago Viserys mentioned that he's not even the one making the minatures himself, he just tells the stonemasons what to make for him. He really needs help to do everything, even his hobbies.

“daemon’s trying to run away …from the constant drama he constantly creates.” 😭😭

I think we haven't seen enough of Laena to really care about her fate. That Vhagar scene would have been much more heartbreaking with more character development. It's a shame beacause the actress did really well in the few screen time she had

@miketrujillo3677

Жыл бұрын

@jeon vlya what

@miketrujillo3677

Жыл бұрын

@jeon vlya are you smoking crack

The grudge is strong in Criston. Someone forgot to tell him that it's been 10 years now, not 2 episodes ago.

I feel for Alicent a little bit when Larys basically blackmails her by including her in the guilt of his scheme, but realistically what did she expect would happen if “justice” was done and Rhaenyra’s children were publicly acknowledged as bastards? Harwin would have been killed, and maybe the kids, and maybe even Lyonel. She’s actively sewing the seeds of war in this episode while also feeling very sanctimonious about herself. A character greyer than she even realizes herself 10/10 writing

@wendyc1902

Жыл бұрын

Yep Larys little favor is gonna come back and haunt her one day

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

I think she is still a little naive but I def believe her when she expressed shock at the method. Also, while Larys does have dirt on Alicent kind of, she is still the queen, still a member of house hightower and I think could dispatch of larys(or attempt to) if she ever saw him as a threat

@Dell88music

Жыл бұрын

@@mattm7798 was thinking about this. If she was smart she would have turned him in immediately and still gotten what she wanted.

@Nedw

Жыл бұрын

I think she would have no problem with Garwin etc. being executed after an official judgement - but this kind of underhanded backstabbing, that's too "dirty" for her. In this mediaeval culture that values honor and courage, execution and assassination are not the same - despite having the same end result.

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

@@Dell88music True, if she was scared enough but right now, she needs all the allies she can get and Larys has shown to be able to get things done. Larys also doesn't profess any outward ambition for himself, so is not an immediate threat to her. The show seems to be building up a moment were Alicent will try to distance herself from Larys.

I love the perspective you have in your analysis. The Dragons ‘dancing together ‘was so poetic and lovely. Pregnant Leana, knowing she will lose her life and baby and wanting to go out on her own terms and commanding Vhagar to burn her and the hesitance was so powerful and heartbreaking to watch. The pleading was the thing that got to Vhagar

@thehumanity0

Жыл бұрын

In the history tome, they said Leana, delirious from dying to child birth, went out to ride Vhagar one last time cause she wanted to die as a dragon rider but then fell off her dragon. Idk, I think this might've been a better way for her to go, but obviously wouldn't have been so dramatic. Suicide of herself and the baby makes her seem a bit selfish. Not saying it's a bad change at all cause it was very interesting to see Vhagar's reaction, but I think the alternative route might've been a better overall for her character arc.

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

Yeah i think it's been established that Dragons are near if not equal in intellect as humans. So it would be like a queen asker her royal knight to kill her. I love how they are giving the dragons individual perosnalities. The dragons in GoT were largely interchangable save that Drogon was the one rode by Danerys.

@staytuned2L337

Жыл бұрын

@@thehumanity0 I disagree on it being selfish. Better not to suffer. She was going to die anyway, and I kinda see it like almost an assisted suicide for those that are terminally ill. The babe probably wouldn't have survived without her, and because they opted out of the c-section the child would've suffocated in the birth canal and it would've killed them both anyway. Hosting a dead babeh in you without being able to purge it is a poison.

@lgt_jne

Жыл бұрын

@@thehumanity0 she fell on her dragon? Isn't it more like her falling on the stairs and daemon Carries her back to bed and she dies besides Rhaenyra and Daemon

@thehumanity0

Жыл бұрын

@@lgt_jne Alt Shift X had said in another video she falls off her dragon. Idk maybe I'm remembering wrong and she was just on her way to try to ride her dragon before she died

Did anyone notice the look that the midwife behind Rhaenyra made when saw the baby? As if saying, "Oh, no! Not another brown haired baby!" That's a great piece of direction that most would not even notice.

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

Haha, if true, that would be interesting. It's like "well, ive got good news and bad news. Good news is it's another boy...bad news...guess who he looks like"

@justt1984

Жыл бұрын

@CameraOnDoug no. He doesn’t. He has brown hair too

@ace-vb7lw

Жыл бұрын

@CameraOnDoug that’s a little sleep cap, love. Not silver hair 😅

Daemon is teaching his kids Valyrian, but Rhaenyra isn’t teaching hers-they need translators for the dragonpit tenders and only learn the dragon command words in isolation

I feel Alicent is being eased into murdering people to achieve her goals. First protecting a murdering kingsguard, now having a straight up Kinslayer as ally. It would be a point to stop and go "am I the baddy?" and seeing that, so far, only her faction has straight up caused people to get killed. Instead she is learning to rationalize things she still feels shock and moral outrage towards.

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

I could see her slipping into a pattern of using Larys to dispose of obstacles from now on. She has definitely become much less Sansa-like in the 10 years since the last episode.

@thehumanity0

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Alicent says to Larys she 'didn't want anyone to die', but every action and step she takes is towards being more adversarial, destructive, and straight up playing at & pushing towards war. She's knowingly petty and spiteful, but equally foolish and ignorant to not think her actions wouldn't lead to death and chaos.

@shinsenshogun900

Жыл бұрын

@@mattm7798 Watch her make use of an up and coming Lord Commander of the Kingsguard

@ItsButterBean1020

Жыл бұрын

@@mattm7798 I can see that She orders the killings but downplays it since it’s not her doing the killings herself

@19Ledor

Жыл бұрын

To be fair though, Rhaenyra is the one siring illegitimate heirs left and right and destabilising her already shaky claim to the throne. I can understand why Alicent is furious when she offers to marry her firstborn to her true born daughter who under the new president would be third in line. On the other hand I also understand Viserys does want to pretend that everything is as it should be not wanting to destroy his family over it. "You may know what is the right thing to be done but love stays the hand.”

Felt so bad for young Aemond… I’m sure he will grow into a very nice chap in the future…

@bhunt372

Жыл бұрын

I’m sure he’ll be a very nice chap with two eyes

@postpunk6947

Жыл бұрын

Everything gonna be fine! Right?

@rkiwtir1146

Жыл бұрын

He should go on a trip with his uncle. Maybe somewhere mystical, like the gods eye lake?

@Sajirah

Жыл бұрын

@@bhunt372 Kid really should listen more to his sister.

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

Haha right, definitely no foreshadowing for him to basically be Daemon 2.0, always feeling insecure and needing to prove himself.

17:54 scene reminds of the historical "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" ("What miserable drones and traitors have I nurtured and promoted in my household who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric!") by king Henry II that led to the assassination of the Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Becket. Alicent wants them dead, but retains plausible deniability. The fact that Larys is the son and the brother of those assassinated and possibly wants it even more than the monarch is a brilliant twist of the historical event, Martin is the best with these things.

@msanjelica

Жыл бұрын

Martin leaves it vague in the books. The fire is a mystery. All this with Larys is a show plot.

@onTimeAlways404

Жыл бұрын

I'm intrigued by Larys motivation. It seemed that his Father and Brother didn't mistreat him despite his physical condition, so his willingness to murk them shocked me. Alicent certainly showed her naivety, but I think eventually Larys will influence her much in the way that Littlefinger did Sansa. Moving from naive and smart to shrewd and calculative, except Sansa never went off the deep end, and I think Alicent will

@KingsandGenerals

Жыл бұрын

@@msanjelica I think he has influenced show's writing, no?

@msanjelica

Жыл бұрын

@@KingsandGenerals I honestly don't know. He's said he's not writing, but I don't know how involved he actually is.

@raymondl9320

Жыл бұрын

love what your channel does too xoxo

The actor for Lionel was really good. I could really feel the sadness and desperation in his voice when he was talking to his son. It felt very real.

I *adore* how old Vhagar looks, its so well done

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

Right, each dragon really has its own personality and look.

Seeing Vhagar was one of the best things I've seen, she's such a legendary dragon! Even in her old age she's still a badass and I can only imagine how she was during Visenya's time. The Dance with Caraxes was amazing! Hoping the book stuff with them happens later on.

@Ra-Hul-K

Жыл бұрын

Vhagar to Caraxes: kid.. le'me teach you how to make a badass entrance..

@kikima258

Жыл бұрын

Agreed craxes was my favorite dragon until vhagar showed up i like how they actualy made her look so ancient totaly diffrent from all the others

@onTimeAlways404

Жыл бұрын

Bravo to HBO. They show their quality. Vhagar looked old, and yet regal, powerful. Such great design

I think Viserys refusal to even acknowledge the allegations about his grandkid's parentage is the right move. It could have much bigger consequences that simply their claim being challenged. At best, it could lead to exile for all parties involved (Rhaenyra, her kids, Harwen, Laenor, etc). At worst, execution for some or all of them. Which could lead to armed conflict with houses Strong and Velaryon. Plus, they are still family.

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

At this point, it would essentially be starting a war with Corlys and Rhaenys, so yeah, he def doesn't want that. Still, all this is on Rhanerya. She should have done the deed, with her husband, popped out a couple of his kids, and everything would be fine. The fact she keeps having kids with her lover shows she does have alot of hubris, like no one is going to notice.

@thehumanity0

Жыл бұрын

I don't even see how it matters too much in the short term since Rhaenyra is the next heir, not her child. She's clearly not going to crown her child the moment he comes of age, so it seems like a problem for another day, that is, if it wasn't for Alicent conniving in any way possible to take away Rhaenyra's claim.

@jayclearmen411

Жыл бұрын

@@thehumanity0 If you don’t see the relevance and how “it matters” your either Not paying attention, willfully ignorant or slow witted! It’s literally a ticking time b o m b set to go off. Im telling you her dad is covering her and ppl at court aren’t fools while he’s there she’s got a safeguard.But the MOMENT he’s gone it’s a rap! Mark my words!

@Wolfeson28

Жыл бұрын

@@thehumanity0 Rhaenyra's heirs potentially being illegitimate does make a huge difference. Also, it's the fact that Rhaenrya is committing treason by having her affair and birthing bastards instead of legitimate heirs (fair or unfair, that's how her actions would be viewed). So that part does affect the standing of Rhaenrya's own claim.

@thehumanity0

Жыл бұрын

@@jayclearmen411 Wow. I'm happy to debate the series with you, but calling people slow witted over discussion about theory is really something. Also, maybe don't spoil the plot, which it sounds like what you might be doing. The heir doesn't necessarily have to be a son, even though that's the most accepted instance. Jaehaerys's succession took place over 50 years into his rule and went to his grandchildren. If Rhaenyra's children are outed as bastards, she has several options. Her husband Laenor could simply deny the allegations, she could decide to have a legitimate child with Laenor and name that child the heir, or after the King dies and she succeeds the throne, she could simply use her power to legitimize the children as true born Targaryons just as Roose Bolton did for Ramsey Snow. What matters most is that they have the Targaryon blood and they're dragon riders, dragons are power in this world and usually override politics. The heir after Rhaenyra is still being perceived outside the Red Keep as Rhaenyra and Laenor's child, so the secret is likely fine until the King dies, in which case THEN you will have discussion over the legitimacy of the next succession, ie why I said it was more or less a problem for another day. More importantly, the more current issue is if the realm will accept a woman as a ruler. It's true Rhaenyra's childrens' parentage could be used against her to de-legitimize her more, but it is only a smaller portion of a larger problem even if she can't find a solution to her kids being bastards. The realm wanting a son over a daughter as the heir is the far more immediate issue.

He says “he has the fathers nose” not Laenors, he specifically says “father” which is almost a Freudian slip that he knows who the father is

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I missed it but this video brought up that the show all but directly says that Viserys knows the truth, but if he outs Rhaenerya, he basically goes to war with Corlys.

For a brief second, I thought he said Helaena is deeply fascinated with incest. Then my brain turned off Targaryen mode and realized he said "insects" lol

@merrittanimation7721

Жыл бұрын

Yeah being fascinated with incest isn’t really something needs to bring up in regards to Targaryens. Not being into incest is what’s unusual

I look forward to these breakdowns each week. Fantastic work, ASX, you're my absolute favourite ASOIAF expert! I would really love you to do more Stark/North-of-the-wall content in the future. Cheers! 💐

@AltShiftX

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Next big ASOIAF video will be about Jon Snow -- and his adventures beyond the Wall..

@w.a.s5819

Жыл бұрын

@@AltShiftX I can't wait..

@zk3831

Жыл бұрын

@@AltShiftX fuckyea

@fakefolkblues

Жыл бұрын

Such a big expert yet he can't even count! There were 4 deaths by fire, not three. How could he forget about a GOAT??

@kevincarter2020

Жыл бұрын

@@fakefolkblues valar dohaeris

Been watching your videos since my freshman year in college (2015) and even after all these years it still feels like a crime that you provide us this quality of content for free. Keep reigniting our love for fiction Alt, some of us greatly appreciate the effort.

@onTimeAlways404

Жыл бұрын

Same here, started watching in college when Game of Thrones was huge and hear I am years later, enjoying these videos in a brand new prequel show. Crazy how time flies, I remember those GOT Sunday nights and reading reddit discussion threads but waiting most patiently for the Alt Shift X video to drop. What a ride we're in for, glad you're still here with us!

I just realized Laenor should hate Criston more than Alicent hate Rhaenerya. Rhaenerya only lied to Alicent and got her father fired. Not that the Hightowers needed that job to eat. But Criston killed Laenor’s bf. Laenor should have planned for Criston to meet an “accident” in those 10 years. But he was there to support Rhaenerya and probobly put it aside for her

That little edit glitch you did when you said “destabilize the kingdom” was awesome. This, among MANY reasons, is why you’re the best.

@kevincarter2020

Жыл бұрын

Alt Shift X is a prince

@Ra-Hul-K

Жыл бұрын

duration?

@shraddhajadhav892

Жыл бұрын

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@dr.embersfield1551

Жыл бұрын

@@Ra-Hul-K Max 3 mins but only if you include the undressing part.

Ngl, I bursted out laughing when they showed Rhaenyra’s kids and how they were acting like they were actually Laenor’s kids.

@dookieshoe2905

Жыл бұрын

Ikr? I thought they were going to change things around from the book so the black Velaryons would make sense but it's all basically the same as the book with no explanation for why her kids are the whitest kids ever. It's so fuckin stupid. XD

@qweasdzxc

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean by acting like they were actually Laenor’s kids? I don't think they were partying and engaging in buggery.

@ezell704

Жыл бұрын

Same could be said for Daemon and Leanas kids. They’re darker than she is 🤔 Except these are actually supposed to actually be his kids 🤦🏻‍♂️

@lordsemen489

Жыл бұрын

Ikr 😂 At least in the books you could say "oh maybe they got that black hair from their grandma" But here... Everyone is legally blind I guess

@spearshake4771

Жыл бұрын

@@lordsemen489 Yeah and even Viserys is like "Muh White Horse had brown babies so this is also chill". That being said though I think Viserys knows its not really Laenor's kids but his love for his late wife is whats causing this willful blindness towards his daughter and everyone else is too scared to say something out loud for fear of losing their tongues.

I love that it's the exact same picture of Mushroom every time he makes an outlandish claim. I hope he's still popping up at the series finale.

@ratbox_

Жыл бұрын

I smile and giggle to myself every time the Mushroom image pops up lol

@MsSpirit31

Жыл бұрын

@@ratbox_ same lol 😂

Please don’t put down the great Kermit and Oscar Tully’s please. They’re the one ones to bring the great house of Tully the most prestige they’ll ever have.

@cdcdrr

7 ай бұрын

Waldorf: "The greatest of the Tullys" sounds like being damned with faint praise. Statler: Who's the greatest Riverlander then? Waldorf: Gregor Clegane. Sure he's not from the Riverlands, but he did those people a favour. Statler: And what is that? Waldorf: Spared them from living through the final season. Both: Dohohohohoho!

The significant difference between Circei's kids and Rheanyra's kids is that the latter's are the children of the Royal heir, whereas the former are not (not Roberts kids). The strong bois are more like Gendry in that sense.

@whensomethingcriesagain

2 ай бұрын

Or more like Bloodraven and Bittersteel, where if they're acknowledged as bastards but legitimized, they're still descended from the monarch and thus in line for the throne

5:42 Despite the Greens gossiping/wishcasting that the "Strong bastards" won't be able to hatch eggs (which all 3 proceed to do), we don't have textual evidence that ANY of Alicent's children was able to hatch a cradle egg: Sunfyre hatched on Dragonstone and Aegon claimed it, Dreamfyre belonged to Rhaena Targaryen before bonding with her great-great-niece Helaena, Aemon at this point in HOTD has no dragon, and we're never told whether Tessarion the Blue Queen was hatched in the cradle or claimed (I tend to think claimed based on her size relative to her rider's age).

the weekend doesn't end until alt shift x posts an explained video, and it doesn't begin until the live q&a ends

I’m still conflicted on Alicent’s reaction to what happens at Harrenhal. I get that she didn’t wish for the Strongs to die, much less explicitly order it, but I just can’t believe that she never expected things to get this messy. She’s been insisting that her family must win or die for years now. She’ll make Rhaenyra come to her right after childbirth and insist that Viserys punish her for infidelity. She ignores the sins of her family and allies while insisting the Blacks will be the doom of them all. And then she’s like “I didn’t want anyone to die”??? Don’t get me wrong, I love it as a character flaw, but it came across as so insincere that I didn’t believe it for a second. It feels so childish to refuse peace or compromise and then suddenly go “I didn’t want things to go like this :( “

@Lena-cb6xg

Жыл бұрын

She just wants all the perks, none of the responsibility or guilt.

@arielvanmoos7583

Жыл бұрын

One thing - she didn't actually ask to see Rhaenyra after the birth, I think? She just wanted to see the baby just to check if it was Laenor's. Rhaenyra decided to walk up there herself.

@AB-xt2ce

Жыл бұрын

@@arielvanmoos7583 I mean who asks to see a just born baby

When I was first watching the episode, I thought that the fireflies Larys put on the cloaks of the prisoners were real bugs. If that were the case, maybe Larys is able to skin-change them, literally bugging his minions.

@marcel6873

Жыл бұрын

You buggin

@ShubertReads

Жыл бұрын

😂 Great theory Quinn. Who knows, maybe the pins are made from weirwood...

@Darkstar_Dayne

Жыл бұрын

@@ShubertReads Nah they're clearly metal

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

It did feel very odd for him to basically give the secret assassin's his badge. What if one of them were caught. Could just be a plot hole or could come up in the future. Larys has quickly become one of my favorite characters in the series. A mixture of Littlefinger and Jaime.

@KitOfTheWeirdWoods

Жыл бұрын

:O you got to make the pun!

I thought clubfoot's sigil was a bee as it references his 'honeyed words' which they mention in the book, he keeps playing with flowers, and his little birds are 'drones' serving the queen.

You have no idea how much I appreciate having the family trees visually represented.

HBO should hire you and release these as official guides right after the episodes.

@EJD339

Ай бұрын

I like that this channel isn’t directly tied to HBO Max. I think it adds a barrier for Alt Shift X to critique the show without bias. I think he did something like what you’re talking about with The Expanse though.

Vhagars hesitancy brought tears to my eyes.

Not gonna lie, I’ve checked this channel every day for updates. Was waiting for this 😭❤️

@justt1984

Жыл бұрын

Same lol

It's incredibly sad watching the adults push a rift between their kids. Aegon is perfectly fine to live peacefully and seems to have no ill will towards Rhaenyra and the two sets of kids seem to get along besides the bullying of Aemond over not having a dragon.. it's just sad that Viserys chooses to do nothing rather than assert himself but at this point he may just be too weak

i LOVE YOUR CONTENT. youve opened me up to so much Lore. its really given me a new perspective on Martins work and i just love it. thank you so much for all your work

I think that people in real life usually "fear" for the things that they are capable of doing. I mean that Alicent fears Rhaenyra will kill her children without any hint for that (except the word of her not-at-all-saint father). But I believe that Rhaenyra would never do that to her former best friend's and father's children (siblings!)... So I mean that I think that Alicent probable would be more capable of killing Rhaenyra's children, than the opposite!

@manuelg4867

Жыл бұрын

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If Helaena can dream of the future, her story just became way too tragic

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

Ver curious how they position her character. She seems to take after her grandmother, being more tomboyish.

@pedrorenault5335

Жыл бұрын

I think that she doesn’t understand her predictions, it seems to be a bunch of informations in her head that she just says but doesn’t really interpret that much

@witchplease9695

Жыл бұрын

@@mattm7798her grandma is Aemma tho?

I like how everyone is serious and scheming but Viserys just wants his family to get together and watch a game of football

Your videos are so well edited and your voice is like butter to my ears. 10/10!

Alicent kind of takes Ned Stark's "It's wrong because it's wrong" attitude and dissects it by removing Ned's likeability (decent parent, tries to spare people). Alicent sees something she sees as wrong and seeks punishment no matter how disproportionately destructive the aftermath. She is pointing Westeros towards war over bastards just like how Ned Stark did over Joffrey (he had opportunity to at least just take charge of Joffrey as reagent). To this end, they both go to morally corrupt people to try and do their dirty work. Alicent to Larys and Ned to Littlefinger. Both backfire, one literally.

The fact the Tullys here are named after Muppets makes me imagine an alternate version of Game of Thrones where all the Tullys and Stark Children are played by muppets and no one bats an eye.

The Rhaenyra switch is the most noticible to me. Milly put so much of herself into the character in a good way. It would be hard for anyone to follow her performance. Emma plays her in a much more vulnerable and timid way, which makes some sense as a mother who is living such a dangerous lie. I want to give her a chance and hope she finds the dragon inside her. Maybe Daemon will be a good bad influence.

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

I think Emma maintains the hard headedness Milly put into the character but left behind the constant princess whining about no one listening to her. This Rhanera seems much more ready for the likely upcoming war.

@olorin4317

Жыл бұрын

@@mattm7798 She still has no fire in her. No charisma with Daemon.

@pablosebasthian

Жыл бұрын

@@olorin4317 ?

Dude the burning room meme on an Alt Shift X got me😭

@YaraDara634

Ай бұрын

lol let’s go pat

I kinda wonder if Jacaerys isn't actually Harwin's son. I'm not sure how old he is, but he looks around 9 or 10, the same amount of time it's been since the wedding. Maybe, Rhaenyra *didn't* drink the moontea given to her by Mellos, and got pregnant after having sex with Criston. What if Ser Criston is Jacaerys' real father? Also, that would make the scene where Criston encouraged Aemon to bully Jacaerys ironically tragic.

@odetteathina4811

Жыл бұрын

I think he is Criston's son too! She didn't drink the moon tea and the kid has much straighter hair than the second one (like Criston has straighter hair than Harwin)... I would like so much to see Criston learn the truth and trying to get atonement for betraying Rhaenyra so easily and so much! We' ll see 😁

@Darkstar_Dayne

Жыл бұрын

I hate that idea tbh

@postpunk6947

Жыл бұрын

@@odetteathina4811 oh my sweet summer child.

@johnhenry4844

Жыл бұрын

@@odetteathina4811 I doubt that’s happening and it’s never said that she didn’t drink it

@Elementroar

Жыл бұрын

Nah, Aemond wasn’t even born yet when Cole and Rhaenyra had sex, and Jace is younger than Aemond. It’s physically impossible for him to be Cole’s, which is likely why Cole is extra salty because he knew he was replaced by Harwin when Jace was born lol.

I would have liked to see how Laena got Vahgar... sounds like a missed opportunity.

@alisaurus4224

Жыл бұрын

Or at least have her tell her Rhaena the story when she’s sad her egg won’t hatch

@fruitygarlic3601

Жыл бұрын

I think the show would have benefited from one more episode between this and the last, and that would be one of many great things to cover there.

@Garrus1995

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I didn’t get about her showing up in this episode. She’s the oldest dragon alive in the world, she helped conquer Westeros. Surely their should have been some explanation of how and why she just turned up?

Casting for this show is so spot on its unbelivable. GoT had good casting but this is on another level. Harwin Strong as brilliant for the 5 minutes he was on screen. Olivia Cook (older Alicent) stole the show - 10/10 choice. She is perfect

@8Hshan

Жыл бұрын

And some even have a bit of "family" resemblance, the best example being Rhaenyra with Aemma - at first when I saw "the older" Rhaenyra, I thought for a moment that it's the same actress. And both young and older Alicent look really similar too. Amazing job. Though I have to note that Baela and Rhaena are not all too similar both among themselves and to their parents :D

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

I agree the casting is very good but GoT is among the best of any series I've ever seen. I'll watch a clip of the first seasons and forgot it was so so good.

@DrrnTW

Жыл бұрын

Don't be rediculous, GoT had some of the best casting ever in TV.

BTW, mixing blood into the mortar is not as outlandish as it sounds. In the middle ages, mortar was mixed with protein binders. Oxblood was such an additive, that was supposed to improve workability and was widely used. 22:49

Alicent says to Larys she 'didn't want anyone to die', but every action and step she takes is towards being more adversarial, destructive, and straight up playing at & pushing towards war. She's knowingly petty and spiteful, but equally foolish and ignorant to not think her actions wouldn't lead to death and chaos.

I always thought Jacaerys and Lucerys were pronunced as Jackeris and Lukeris 😭

Alicent's crusade for decency is a sham. She'd already decided her path before Rhaenyra gave birth to her first child, thanks to her father insisting Rhaenyra would murder Alicent's kids. Her green dress at the wedding declared as much. Things would have been no different if all the kids were actually for Leanor. The dance would have still happened. Rhaenyra's children are her blood. So Alicent can kick rocks because ultimatel...Rhae would not have killed her half siblings.

Loved the bit where Daemon snarked about the bastards looking suspiciously like the Commander of the Gold Cloaks (aka Harwin)…which is also his previous position. Sounded real salty about what could have been there heh.

There were just so many things to digest in this episode, appreciate the breakdown of each individual thing that happened. These explanations just make me appreciate the depth of the story so much more as someone who has not read the books!

Luke is adorable!!!! All of Harwin’s sons are handsome like him, even Joffrey is a handsome baby. I love watching Aegon being so playful with Luke. Aegon seems having good temperament, i would actually root for him if his mother isn’t instilling hate in him. Btw, the Arabic thobe looks so good on Jace and Luke, in fact i admire all the fine details on the costumes worn by Rhaenyra, Harwin and their children. Brings back memories of me admiring the costumes back in GoT season 2 and 3.

This is the fastest I've clicked on a video notification from Alt Shift X. I look forward to these every week. Keep up the good work.

Interesting fact: Talya (Alicent's maid) is played by Alexis Raben, who also happens to be Miguel Sapochnik's wife :)

The difference between Rhaenyra’s bastard children and Cersei’s is that the claim to the throne is from Robert, not Cersei. So having kids that are not Robert’s kills any potential claim had they been discovered. But even if Rhaenyra just said ‘yeah my kids are all bastards’, because they’re incontrovertibly HER bastards, there is nothing stopping her from legitimising them. Sure, it would be scandalous, but legally they would be the legitimate heirs, bastard or no.

12:36 why didn't Criston's head explode when he was subjected to the same treatment he gave in the last episode? Criston didn't even have mailed fists while Harwin did.

@averagemourinhoenjoyer

Жыл бұрын

Harwin was holding back, his intention wasn't to kill Criston while Criston in the other hand was trying to kill joffery

@msanjelica

Жыл бұрын

The Joffrey scene is such a contrived mess. If you're gonna keep watching it's probably best to try to forget about it.

I honestly wish House Strong was never gifted harrenhal. A shame to place a curse on such a cool House.

Highlight of my week these videos, so well explained and also teaches me things about the history and lore of the world. Great job

HBO should really start paying you for these vids. They add to the series in a multitude of ways & help build on the viewers' understanding of world, which in turn allows fans to enjoy the series even more. Having these as extras/bonus videos on the HBO HotD page would actually be a smart move.

Your videos are really something else. It's really helpful to see the names and pictures of everything you are talking about - and it's awesome how much research you put into each video to draw comparisons between the books and GOT universe. Keep the incredible work!

Question: One thing you’ve not mentioned is that Alicent has redecorated her rooms to be rid of the erotic tapestries. They seem to be blank “decorative” panels now. What are your thoughts on this?

@lgb8996

Жыл бұрын

maybe when she was younger she was curious and excited about sex but now that we know she's miserable during sex with viserys she isn't so fond of those tapestries

@jmchez

Жыл бұрын

Hmm, She took them down, probably, because Aegon's was masturbating non-stop in front of the tapestries. Hah! Alicent is being shown to be responsible for all of her children's vices.

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

They are essentially Targaryon bragging that they are part dragon, and Alicent doesnt seem to want blatant sexuality in the castle.

@ruthbennett7563

Жыл бұрын

@@mattm7798 exactly! Alicent is definitely being depicted as vengefully repressed. In the ASOIAF books, it is mentioned that Littlefinger gained possession of the castle tapestries. I thought it was about evidence of paternity or some other scheme… now with HotD, it seems it was to class up his brothel rooms with Targaryen artifacts.

@justt1984

Жыл бұрын

@Alsonallu you got all that. From her just having blank tapestry ? Stop reading so hard into shit💀

I’ve never read any of the books related to the GoT/HotD world, but I absolutely love both shows. That being said, I’m so glad I found this channel because I’m so horrible when it comes to picking up on the subtle details. It’s definitely been a huge help!

my favorite part about the yard is it's clear at how well Harwin knows the boys. he delivers pinpoint corrections/coaching to the boys that shows that he knows not only their fighting style but also their strengths weakness on a super intimate level.

15:51 It's interesting to think about how genuine or not Rhaenrya's peace proposal actually is (my personal suspicion is: not very). Rhaenrya knows that Alicent believes her (Rhaenrya's) children to be bastards (and presumably also knows that Alicent is correct). So Rhaenrya knows from the start that Alicent will view this proposal as trying to make her wed her daughter to a bastard - which is not just undesirable but insulting. Accepting the marriage offer would also force Alicent to publicly accept the story that Jace (and by extension Luke) is actually Laenor's son, the very story that has her so frustrated. Likewise, the offer of dragon eggs for Aemond could also be seen as rubbing salt in the wound of Aemond not yet having a dragon while all of Rhaenrya's non-newborn sons do (a big deal considering the symbolism of dragons as a mark of Targaryen legitimacy). To me, this whole thing feels like a child trying to act nice to their sibling or classmate when the parent or teacher is around, while really not meaning any of it, and weaving veiled insults under the surface of the apparent apology or peacemaking. Related to this, Rhaenrya may also be hoping that Viserys will like the idea so much that he will adopt it even over Alicent's objections. That would be an elegant way to muzzle Alicent's allegations about her and Harwin - then Alicent couldn't keep calling Rhaenrya's children bastards without also tainting her own daughter and future grandchildren.

You’re the best at explaining and giving us background on each character . Thank you 😊

One detail that I think is really important is the way Rhaenyra told Jacaerys about his parentage. She told him "You're a Targaryen, that's all that matters". That is very similar to how Ned Stark eludes revealing Jon Snow true parentage and just answers "You have my blood" the last time they say each other.

Imagine if in the next episode they bring in Lord Tully and his sons and they're all played by muppets and all of the characters act like it's normal.

@whensomethingcriesagain

2 ай бұрын

At least one person on staff has to have suggested that, even as a joke

The time gap killed it for me.. Loved the original actors. I am sure the new ones are fine as well, but I was just starting to connect to the old ones :(

@Ra-Hul-K

Жыл бұрын

same here

im impressed with the way you can keep calm talking about some potential things to happen BEING AWARE WHAT'S EXACTLY GOING TO HAPPEN

I remember people saying Corlys casting would be a problem because of Rhaenyra's children, now I see why

@Death_Korps_Officer

Жыл бұрын

yeah, you can't hide that NTR tag on them because how different they look.

@HisameArtwork

Жыл бұрын

also Rheinys' hair should have been dark brown...this way they could justify the hair. but i guess this makes it more obvious to normies so it's fine imo. I've watched with normies and they though all 3 kids were cole's and they didn't realize Harwin and Cole were different ppl until the courtyard fight. normies gonna norm.

@hoon_sol

Жыл бұрын

@@HisameArtwork: Imagine thinking all three kids are Cole's after what went down. As if Rhaenyra would fuck that guy again, or as if he'd fuck her again. Also, the other two kids aren't even introduced in the episode before after the first cold introduction to Cole, who is literally guarding Alicent now; how can normies be so stupid as to think Rhaenyra has been fucking him all this time when that's obviously the situation and has been so for a while? Well, if they can't even tell the difference between Cole and Harwin that explains a lot. Normies gonna norm indeed.

@krokodil7057

Жыл бұрын

@@HisameArtwork 🤓

@TSEliot1978

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's why I didn't like the casting allthough the actor is great. In the books it's just a rumor since Rhaenys is dark haired also so there's a chance the children aren't bastards.

I love how your analyses videos are like 30 mins long, thats like half as long as the actual episodes. Appreciate your work!

@thehoopman88

Жыл бұрын

Yes , a well constructed effort from alt shift x

These are always so fantastic. I look forward to them every episode. Thanks for all your hard work on these.

I've been so pleasantly surprised by this show, particularly given the downward trajectory the main series took imo. HotD has caught my interest from the first episode. Much like your breakdowns, thanks :D

@9:21 " ..while Alicent have followed the rules and done her duty." Yeah right, because having as her protector the murderer of the closest companion of one of the most powerful royal house at that time (and through Rhaenys and marriage, an extension of the reigning royal family) and dressing herself and her children in green, her house's color when in war, is not an open act of rebellion, insult and treason towards the Targaryens. And yet, people and Viserys, Rhaenyra and Laenor, have been very tolerant of her as well.

You are really the best yes! I’ve listened to so many reviews/explanations since Sunday and while a lot of the information was similarly relayed, you have and EDGE. That bit where you explained why Harrenhal was considered cursed SOLD me. New subscriber!!

i gotta admit the main reason i am watching these explained clips that are the memes. keep them coming!

She doesn't react to Agon beating it, because she's used to the site of Larys shooting ropes of yogurt out to her bare feet while she has to sit there in disgust.

When I see Friday come and go with no upload I got worried. Thanks for your hard work. Really appreciate it.

Thank you for the indepth analysis. It must be quite a tedious process going through all that research and editing. It's a beautiful thing. Keep going!

Daemon killed the son of the sea lord of Braavos in a duel? and they didn't put that in the show? What a shame.

I am still SO MAD that they cut Daemon's scene hugging his daughters... Like, why??? It's just a few seconds long and it helps the viewer feel more sympathy for him. Why are they so obssessed with portraying him as a bad dad??

@gangsteryengec873

Жыл бұрын

Maybe because he is a bad dad

My theory is that Larys Strong is playing a much longer game. Though it doesn't seem like it, by killing Harwin and his father, he's now in a position to protect his "nephews". Had Harwin and Lyonel lived, it's very likely the secret to Rhaenyra's affair would become officially public meaning Harwin and likely Lyonel both would be executed for high treason and banishment of the boys. But by "helping" Queen Alicent, he's now her go to man of dirty deeds while in reality he's able to help the only blood and family he has in the world as based on his speech he'll not take a wife and child himself. It might also explain certain events later involving Blood and Cheese which is in reaction to a family tragedy.

@whensomethingcriesagain

2 ай бұрын

And it might also explain Larys killing Aegon at the end of all this, which he's probably the most likely suspect for

I normally agree with your analysis but disagree a bit that Rhaenyra's bastards are equivalent to Cersei's bastards - not so much. Rhaenyra is the heir and the kids are still hers, they may be bastards but they are hers. It would be more akin to Gendry Baratheon, who had Robert's blood but was his bastard. When/If Rhaenyra becomes Queen she could legitimize them, much like Ramsay became legitimized.

RIP to Harwin Strong, the hottest good boy in Westeros 😔

'he's now missing an arm, and i totally noticed it on first watch'

I look forward to these breakdowns each week. Thank you.

I wait all week for your recap video. Thanks for all the hard work, it truly is top notch content which stands alone in its quality. All the best.