Gash there is so many electric motor manufactures these days. They should standarize some things like: - One charger plug: like its is with usb-c in electronics - One Open BMS (battery management systems) for easy battery replacements or cell swaps. - Two/Three standardized motor mounts: for full power motors, for SL ones and others. At least "one plug" and open bms should be mandatory for all e-bike stuff producers!

@smtkelly

Жыл бұрын

Motor mounts for sure it just reminds me of the early disk brake mounts. an A/B/C layout or a fudge of a swappable mount carrier. I think we might see it once today's motors crease production and start to die on otherwise working bikes. People demand replacement path, companies will start to see the value of an agreed upon standard.

Pinion MGU hands down. I think Brose might be close catching up though👍🏼 The belt version, no derailleur, no cassette = WIN

@ForbinColossus

Жыл бұрын

New tech = propensity to breakage. Pinion??? What is Pinion's history making motors and transmissions?

@jerryofthebikes

Жыл бұрын

@@ForbinColossus easy mr fusssy Pinion is enough on the market with their gearboxes to tell that these units are much more reliable than any other classic derailleur system. Sure their first electric motor-gearbox will probably have some issues but how many? What will be the failure rate? Time will tell. Never the less this is the only and proper way for EMTBS. Derailleurs are sh##

@etherealicer

Жыл бұрын

@@ForbinColossus Pinion has been making gearboxes for ages. They are especially popular among touring riders because they are maintenance free and run forever. I have ridden several bikes with a Pinion gearbox, the gearing is insane. Would buy it if I could spare the cash (and didn't already have an expensive bike for touring).

@jevgeniardassov

Жыл бұрын

@@ForbinColossuspinion is infact is one of the most known brands… They’ve been doing this since 2006 and more than 100 bike brands use their gearbox solutions, I am inclined to say, they know a lot…

Kudos to you for being the first UK-based KZread channel to report from Eurobike 2023. It's nice to see a British company, namely, Intradrive, trying to break into the market of combined motor & gearbox but I fear that their struggle to become established and eventually successful is going to be a much harder one now that we are out of the European Union and the single market but I wish them loads of luck.

@freeforester1717

Жыл бұрын

China isn’t in the EU, not even in Europe, but that hasn’t prevented them from penetrating the European marketplace.

@mamadjun

Жыл бұрын

Lol, you're not seriously comparing China with the UK?! The economy of China surpasses that of the whole of the European Union (EU), whilst the UK economy is and for the foreseeable future will be in a downward spiral.

@freeforester1717

Жыл бұрын

@@mamadjun I’m not comparing the two as you mistakenly surmise. Just making the observation. Now watch the de-industrialisation of Germany and it’s impact on the EU, and we can compare ‘downward spirals’, lol.

@mamadjun

Жыл бұрын

@@freeforester1717 Comparing UK's economy with China, 2nd biggest economy on earth and now comparing it with the German economy, the 4th biggest economy on the planet. Brexiters such as you, live in your own universe.

@freeforester1717

Жыл бұрын

@@mamadjun as before, not making comparisons, mere observations.

Love the way Steve handled the walk through in the shot of the Spherik. Much better seeing him have a laugh 😂

Appreciate the two videos in one day! You guys deserve a few beers after that one!

Pinion MGU for me too! It seems to be miles ahead its competition in basically all aspects including weight, size, power and gear ratio (big fan of the belt drive system - Gamux Factory team is using it on the DH world cups and seems to be performing well so I'm excited for the future of biking) Brose takes second place - not as great as Pinion on paper but still might be a great product. Intradrive seems to be in an early stage of development but a big fan of their work and hope to see their more refined products in the future. Okawa products look great too but we haven't got too much info about them to be fair..

@wrosslandwr8032

7 ай бұрын

600w peak power is not miles ahead.its very weak.most high quality ebikes now peaks about 800-1200w

The E1.12 Pinion MGU - in the purple "entry level" Bulls Vuca EVO AM 1 2024 version at 7.5k€. That would be the bike I would actually buy if I hadn't bought into Canyon last year. Now let's all wait for FIT to bring up the software to Bosch level. Until 2025, when other oem manufacturers will join the hype ☺️

awesome team. was just about to buy a emtb to shred trails, again.. now I see gears! damn it!

Keep the 'e-bike specific' questions rolling, a whole lot of content there

great upload ta

What was your favourite bike or piece of tech from Eurobike so far? Let us know below!

@PhilosoFox

Жыл бұрын

Thx for your great job in screening the whole trade fair this quickly. Gave me some new ideas what to check out this weekend!

@johnyfive555

Жыл бұрын

Off course Intradrive and Pinion MGU!

@vashon100

Ай бұрын

The parts without the guy with the ugly tattoos

Its amazing, 4 years ago my mate bought a merida with a Shimano motor that's now obsolete, 4 years before I was on a geared hub, progress in this field is shocking

Lol at the e-bike specific cocktails question. I'll ask her the same thing on sunday - let's see if she can come up with a cyber racer cut😆

Do we know the drag of these motor+gearbox units have compared with the typical motor and traditional gearset? Thinking more when you pedal over the limiter.

Where it's stand Conway 😁

Okawa AP70 MGU - 2.7kg seems lightweight for 488% and 500 watts with 90Nm torque. What's the price point? Chinese company will probably thrive in mainland China, despite Pinion elsewhere

Isn't the Ducati just a rebranded Thok GRAM?

Older bikes. Still riding an Orange 5 from 2009. Firm believer if you buy cheap you buy twice. Specced with hope. XT. Just replaced the original mavic/hope wheels with some hope fortus. Only because I had a bit of cash and fancied a treat. Orig wheels were still straight and true.

Everybody reports about this Pinion MGU - haven't seen a single video about the Revonte ONE drive-unit, that already had been around for at least 3 Eurobike fairs? Could you please re-visit them / do a comparison actually riding a bike with the Pinion MGU and one with Revonte?

@jerryofthebikes

Жыл бұрын

all goes to money and production possibilities.. I think revonte (and others smaller companies like intradrive) can't offer proper/competitive price or don't have sufficient processing capacity to make it to the mass production. What Pinion already achieved is they now have 6 partners - bike manufacturers (rotwild, simplon, etc).

@_-Lea_-

Жыл бұрын

@@jerryofthebikes Revonte has the batteries from BMZ - same as Bulls for example. And "hGears" from Germany for mass-production of the drive-unit. And last year it was reported that mass-production should start 2023.

That wyatt bike is stunning that colour scheme will be more popular than the yeti blue.

Im sure SRAM are sitting on a much nicer electronic shifter that looks more like the compact controllers offered by some motor manufacturers rather than the current ballbag design. Don't release it yet though , need some fomo for later in the year. Dentists , the credit card ready 🤣

When talking about the new Yamaha motor you stated "The weight difference of about 300 grams, between PW-X3 2.75kg and PW-XM 2.65kg". To me, that's 100g of difference so which is it?

@stuka78

Жыл бұрын

2.75 vs 2.6

When are EMBN going to stop measuring power in NM

The case interface for middrive should be stardard

MGU all the way!

Is there anyone out there making retrofit batteries with higher capacity and higher power density? ie internal 504w upgrades to more capacity in the same shell.

There is an inherent problem with comparing torque numbers between internally gear boxed motors vs, a non-gearbox motor. Also... there **really** needs to be a standard mid-drive/gearbox mounting bold pattern so you can use manufacturer A's mid drive or gearbox in Manufacturer B's frame.

I hope something in size 27.5 will appear for purchase in 2024. Really not everyone loves 29' xD

Just a small note the tech from the motors could be put over in laymens terms for people like myself knocking on a bit but intrested in the future.

I can't believe we don't have a motor that can be bolted onto any bike through the bottom bracket hole. I'm sure it won't be long until you can convert any bike to electric with good motors soon.

Gotta disagree, less bar/cable integration please. No SRAM motor spotting? Great vid, lots of good stuff coming!

It would be great if all bike manufacturers made same motor mount then that way you could change to different motor anytime you want. New model no problem put new motor on your bike. But noo they want you by new bike every 2-3 years!

@blakkpatron

Жыл бұрын

the intradrive is using shimano ep8 mounting.

You said that the Pinion mid drive gearbox is a no-brainer for urban cycling, but the only place you currently find it is on mountain bikes. When will it be available to the masses?

My prediction is that E-bikes will finally transform to Motorbikes which are even faster, don’t need heavy cranks and won’t go up in flames for no reason in your garage…next to your car 🔥

I'm loving this Pinion with belt drive system. Bye bye derailer. Can't wait for Steve to test him.

Everything is right about that pinion MGU, but is it just me reacting to that tensioner under the bb?? That cant possibly be an optimal placement?

@ryancaugust

Жыл бұрын

It ensures more belt wrap around the front pulley. Prone to rock strikes for sure but it looks pretty bulletproof and it is spring loaded. Better placement than the chain tensioner on the Rottwild imho

@martinhagen2913

Жыл бұрын

@@ryancaugust yeh strikes were my initial concern, then debris and buildup. Service issues? I meen i see your point there but i dont know when it comes to this one. I have a bad feeling about this! :D :D

Can't wait for you to learn about the greatest technology advancement in video production called 4K! Try it out!

pinion number one .🎉 all thé other bike it s liké dinosaure. but where is the 27.5" pignion bike ? only 29" 😢 i Hope freybike will make one soon

Where are the Bosch motors?

Kobra escooter has the best tech... Self charging battery for more longer range...

the latest and greatest? there is only one answer to this for 2024: The Pinion E1.12 gearbox! Bulls VUCA EVO AM 1 releasing in april 2024 for 7000 € (!) is the first of its kind with gearbox, beltdrive, autoshift combined in a ebike. (besides "Simplon" who hopped on the ionnovation hypetrain and also released a bike like this: Simplon RAPCON PMAX PINION - but Simplon gone too far with the greed. they charge 10k for their bike which i will NEVER pay for any kind of bicycle.) i really hope this system will find its way into the enduro / light ebike frames because i dislike those huge down tubes on ebikes a lot. i dont need & dont want such a huge battery, as simple as that. on a ebike i would accept not more then 23kg. sadly, the Bulls VUCA EVO AM 1 weight is 25kg maybe propain can deliver us a affordable Pinion E1.12 gearbox bike. Their frames are very slick and lightweight. But i heavily doubt that it would be affordable... Propain has always been on the 8-10k range for new bikes beltdrive gearboxes are the future on ebikes, you can remember those words. my DREAM bike looks like this: 20-23kg, ebike, gearbox, 12 speed, autoshift, beltdrive, diamond design full carbon frame, full suspension 140+ front 150+ rear and a maximum pricetag of 7k € i dont care about stock components because i will swap all parts except the suspension, fork & frame anyways on a new bike because they rarely come with good parts at that pricetag. glad i already own lots of high quality bike components, that will dampen the financial hit if i buy a bike for 7k. and i can always sell the stock components from a new bike. Too bad you cant buy the RAPCON PMAX PINION frame only... :( i would love to buy the frame only with the pinion gearbox. summary: at the moment, the Pinion E1.12 gearbox bikes are just TOO HEAVY for my liking. Ill wait and see what 2024 will bring. If i encounter a 20-23kg bike with this tech, im definately in to buy one. If anybody knows a bike that has this tech, message me!

I'm sick of tearing up chains and cassettes on my ebikes. These gearbox systems cannot be ready soon enough.

The pentacle of Bicycling their is no leveling up...

Back up the HYPE train! No hands on experience with Pinion and they have no history of making motors. Will they overheat and fail or fail to shift properly? NO ONE KNOWS! Personally, I want lower pricepoints on PROVEN TECH in place of upsells adding to the sticker price

Any ebike with a chain and a derailleur is off my list.

Poor Intradrive folks... getting stomped technically, weight wise, development wise - maybe head collectively over to Pinion? There has to be something in your advantage too... maybe noise level? or price?

I want auto shifting gearbox motor and abs brakes for my next emtb

at least they are not going longest range😢

Bring on the damned motor/gearboxes already! Nobody wants a bloody deraileur and cassette on an ebike!!! And no, a tensioner is a far cry from a deraileur- cheap to replace, no need to tune, much lower profile, etc.

Why not to Come ANANDA's booth😁😁

Well you finally made it to the MGU. The hybrid version is going to sell very well. I think you bike park jockeys should stick to the weedy 120 RPM Bosch and leave the real stuff to the masses.

Quite surprised at your skepticism of the pinion motor gearbox and its tech compared to your unbounded positivity of the clunky kit from the uk in a flight case. Pinion are ex Porsche gearbox experts and their product will see off any alpine ride as there's nothing to bend break or go out of adjustment. Anyhow I expect the pinion unit and the 3 brands using it, will drive the other main motor brands to do the same. It's the future of ebikes, all the benefits (seamless pedal free gear change auto if you want it) and none of the drawbacks (deralier chain sprockets wear and maintenance).

Such a shame to see square taper spindles on some otherwise fantastic new motors. A waveform spline is better than square taper.

You keep saying “guys”, girls are in the audience as well. Maybe say folks or people or humans or???? Idk. 😂

Menudos atrasados; bicicletas con desviadores traseros. Éstos cortitos, aún no se han enterado que ya se montan bicicletas con cambios de piñones en el pedalier, con un sólo plato trasero.

Pinion MGU... Everything else is dead

The Pinion MGU, is a PARADIGM SHIFT, in ebike design philosophy. The Pinion MGU is an epoch changing event. Pinion gave birth to the dawn of a new era in ebike design. Traditional ebike motors are now ancient and will soon be relegated to niche products, comparable to 26 inch wheel bikes or the vinyl record and cassette tapes.

In a totally unrelated, untrue comment to generate likes to boost my page to make money from YT this reminds me of that time I wa walking round Eurobike with Steve Peet, Rob Warler and Will Longdong and also Sean 'No palm' Parmer, Steve turned to me and said "Who the fcuk are you and why are you following us round?" I'll never forget that sh1t. we all cracked up just befroe they all told me to do one.

@CurvedSlightly

Жыл бұрын

Do you declare your YT earnings as additional income and therefore subject to tax treaatment and reportable to HMRC?

@CurvedSlightly

Жыл бұрын

Pfffffffft, LULZ Bruh! Non of the milionaire YT fckcers are paying any tax what-so-fcucking-eva, pal/bruh/fella!