What do you think of these bikes?

@rikyrossi9518

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't there a new Radon bike??

@Cathedraaa

2 жыл бұрын

Whats about the prototype bosch motor?

@fragutopia

2 жыл бұрын

Looks great! But prices on bikes is getting bonkers! You get a really serious updated motocross/enduro or even a BMW motorcycle for 12000-17000:-...

@cedricgtrable

2 жыл бұрын

Bosh coping Fazua displays are hilarious

@outdoorzenb7799

2 жыл бұрын

Thinking same…

Love the idea of 3rd party Oli motors that fit existing brands. Now what about batteries to replace older smaller capacity units. Great Video btw.

@mpvabi95

2 жыл бұрын

The Battery thing is perfectly solved by Giant 👌 for the Years of 2019,2020 and 2021 you can replace your existing 500 or 625Wh Battery with the new 800Wh one and only need an additional Cover extra for around 50€👍 That should be the way to go for every Brand 👌

@embn

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Scott! The Oli motors are game changing! Thanks so much for the support! 👊

@philipwoodford6286

2 жыл бұрын

Agree 👍

@geu6270

Жыл бұрын

Only problem I see is fixing the neutering on these motors. We have great tuning chips now for almost all name brand manufacturers so you can actually own your bike. Even ones that work with gestapo Bosch. Maybe the motor maker has a plan it would be smart to have it as optional. Like bike hating governments would really let that happen.

Where are all the Fazua ride 60 equipped ebikes? Thought there would be loads!

I've actually purchased a Trek EXe 9.7 model TQ motor Emtb and rode it Today.. First 1½ hours I didn't use the motor as it felt so good as a mtb. Next 1½hrs with motor On. Very good and silent and was able to master all the straight up steep tracks and short embankments that I can do on my full power Levos. Very impressive 👏 👌. Was surprised it was actually available in shop on the day of Release. E=Mtb²

So good to see Steve all excited again at a trade show, he feeds off the energy!

@embn

2 жыл бұрын

Steve is brilliant at these shows! He doesn't miss a trick!

thanks Steve and team, great to see all this, especially the potential of future alternatives motors with compatible mounts to other providers.

Anti lock brakes 'ABS' has been around for years, just ask anyone who ran avid elixer

@paukconuk

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@embn

2 жыл бұрын

Good one!😅

The Orange Intradrive gearboxed motor definitely warrants its own video review. Derailleurs are so dumb on EMTBs. Mine just disintegrate. Game changer!

Great video! Wow, so many advances in design and technology... tough choice narrowing down which one. Be great to see some comparisons for new 2023 motor/drive train offerings. Thanks for posting...

Oli has such a great idea! It's about time that riders will be able to find drop-in replacement/upgrade motors for their ebikes! Hope they consider the Yamaha form factor. *

Thanks for the tour, Lots of good choices.....

Good to see a company making replacement motors that fit existing ebike frames. Oli could be a game changer for those looking to get a replacement motor for when the old one packs up. Just the price could be the deal breaker if its anything close to the original motors price then I can see it not taking off.

Excellent report and highlighting of some very exciting develpments in the ebike world. Thanks.

Great stuff, guys and good to catch up this week! 👊

@embn

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! For sure! 🙌

Fantastic Steve, some beautiful bikes 😊👍❤️🇬🇧

Exciting times for e-mtbs! ABS, autoshft, the new Trek - all of these are very desirable!

More info is deficiently needed on that motor/gearbox combo. This is definitely a huge step for ebikes!

@daboo2

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! EMBN please give us more info about these.

Exciting and tempting bikes! I'm into that Orange alright 👍

The Orange is the future !! integrated gearbox motors will rule the world :)

@embn

2 жыл бұрын

Time will tell! We'd love to get our hands on that to try it out!

A great review. I am totally new to EMB’s and looking at what is on here it will be a long, long time before my budget can stretch. With that in mind I was wondering if you had any ideas of what to look for with respect to second hand. Which brands, models, motors etc. And, more importantly, what to avoid? Keep bringing the content. Thanks again.

Love love

I like the Heritage with the 130nm motor/gearbox 👍

Like to see more of those motor/gearbox combo bikes for me that's probably the next thing.

@embn

2 жыл бұрын

Same here! We'd like to see more gearbox technology making its way into e-mountain biking. There are certainly concepts floating around, so our fingers are crossed!

@mrdrifty6580

2 жыл бұрын

Its got to be the most important thing they can up grade. Anti lock breaks and auto shifting is just to get people who can ride bikes to ride bikes

@eScapes1

2 жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for this for some time. If they do combine the motor with a gearbox on motorcycle, why can't they do it on e-bikes - especially with a belt drive. That would really cut down the maintenance. The proviso is that it shouldn't be outrageously expensive.

Tested the ABS today on eurobike, and it works great, but I still wouldn't put it on my emtb, maybe it will be useful for comuters to lower the risk of falling after rain or snow..

I want that Orange bike! :P Just what I have been waiting for for years now. I though about converting a orange ebike to run belt drive and gearhub. This is however what I have been waiting for :D

@chinarello2928

2 жыл бұрын

Belt drive is definitely the way to go. No time for changing chains all the time. I wonder how the geometry rides.

@dodger1x

2 жыл бұрын

@@chinarello2928 90% of my issues with my last bike was chain and dereilure related. I was thinking of getting a Orange bike and converting it to belt and gearhub (Kindernay) because with Orange bikes you don’t have to split the frame or belt to put on it on like you have to with most other bikes. A gearbox/motor combo have always been the dream though because of unsprung weight benefit for the suspension.

That TQ motor is so cool. I wonder if they're working on a bigger unit for full power ebikes using the same technology.

@robhaskins3068

2 жыл бұрын

They have been making a 120Nm motor for years in a Flyon ??? I think.

Brilliant overview! I’d like to know more about the TQ system.

@hollakeef

2 жыл бұрын

Trek bicycles has the webinar about the bike and motor on KZread.

I can’t deal with so many bikes having the Rockshox 35s on the front. That fork is honestly awful

Very good emtb.....!

Thank you John. Know you are compensated but you're still informative.

Wow....lots of cool stuff going on. Look forward to the +200% UK pricing lolz..... There was me about to buy a new ebike, kinda think maybe should wait for that new minimalist bosch system. The current/'new' led remote system does kinda stick out like a pocket calculator.

@embn

2 жыл бұрын

There are now a lot of great display options, from super minimal to much larger ones if you like to read the data 👍

Great coverage of EuroBike. Did you get a chance to stop by the Bafang booth, as they have a new motor the M820. I am guessing that the M820 is their lite eMTB motor offering.

Steve, you were always a big fan of Orange back in the day. Hence the abuse. Lets get that Orange Strange Phase MX on the show

Great summary- 2023 could be the year to go e-mtb 👍

@embn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Go for it, Aron! 👍

I want that orange bike wow looks amazing! Give me give me give me!

@chinarello2928

2 жыл бұрын

I just hope it doesn't cost an arm and leg. Going with a smaller brand motor could be an issue. They may not have been able to sort out all the issues and spare parts can be tricky.

Coming from Dirt bikes/ enduro trail motorbikes , now looking at an E bike, really interested in some of these.

Great for small routes

Does new gen shimano ep8 works on 2021 frames with the ep8?

The Orange seems like a dream bike, just would be better with more suspension travel.

Does the new mini controller and display unit replaces the purion controller? If not, maybe bosch can consider splitting the controller and display of the purion to make the display less prone to damage.

First thing us off-road motorcycle riders do off-road is to turn off the ABS...

Bash plate straight from a 240 Fantic 😎

love gearbox-motor thing some are going for, would love one with belt, not sure about abs - on front maybe, on rear probably not, if they are good bad ones on motorcycles are reason most people still turn them off offroad aldo they are expensive thing that add the price and can break.

Perfect e-bike that is also foldable.

As a long time motorbike rider, on and off road, and a recent convert to MTBs and eMTBs, it's interesting how much e/MTBs have converged to motorbikes; believe me when I say that ABS and the other electronic aids that are going to come your way now, are going to be game changers. Welcome to our world; it's great 🙂

@Electric Mountain Bike Network, What is the largest battery capacity you know of? I’ve found Kettler Quadriga Duo CX12 FS has 1250Wh in downtube (2x625Wh Bosch PowerTubes in frame) Looks great in all black.

The Mv Augusta looks awesome

@londo776

2 жыл бұрын

it should do for 15000 euros

5:09 Should have reviewed Revonte ebike drive systems as well..

Damn I want all of them.

@embn

2 жыл бұрын

Same here!

The Bulls bike looked great. Love the gearbox system on the Orange, though I personally hate the look of the bike. Also, where the hell is all of the Link Glide stuff at? Over a year now with nothing available.

Whom exactly are these bikes for? What category(income level)? I been working three jobs-a-week, for the last seven years. The most I can afford to shell-out for a rig is about a thousand USD. These bikes(such as Trek & Orange), ya could purchase a pickup truck. So much for e-bikes being affordable.

I hope you can do a deep dive into the rock machine whizz + ebike.

I'm from USA 🇺🇸 but that's look so cool I'd love a bike from somewhere else I got one from california

Bikes still using group sets designed for manual bikes. The cassettes will not last as the additional power just chews them up! Nice to see a belt drive on the Orange, interested to see how that performs.

😁💓👏

Most of these bikes cost more than my smart car and electric motorbike combined! 🤣

i want that orange ebike and i want it in orange

@embn

2 жыл бұрын

An orange in orange?!😅 It's such an awesome looking bike! It's super cool that they've sourced all the components from Europe!

@trbotimmmmmmmeh

2 жыл бұрын

@@embn yep, and the single pivot might be the best choice for the weight of a full size enduro e-bike. i dont believe this frame uses the new orange multi pivot design with a single rear swing arm.

SUGGESTION: Tell us if WHERE the ebikes will be available. I'm in the USA, but many brands don't distribute here. Hate to get my hopes up for something I'll never see! Cheers--more show vids please!

Lights? Why don't these bikes have integrated lights?

@TrIpMo1981

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was wondering the same. Seems the buttons are taken from a car.

@kingerz

2 жыл бұрын

Why do I want lights? Never ride at night and if I do, I'll get some. No thanks to more cost for lights.

As enticing as e bikes are not until there is a feature that doesn’t affect pedaling when the battery or motor goes out is when i’ll buy one, emtb should be able to pedal the same with or without them.

@ikklepip

2 жыл бұрын

TQ’s new motor on the Trek Fuel EX-e is apparently pretty much resistance free when out of juice.

@z33r0now3

2 жыл бұрын

Check rob rides emtb channel for his comment on this. He rode it without power and said what the guy above me said

Zero engine drag, less weight, more battery this is what i expect and want to see in new e bikes ...Not the ABS features not some weird stuff

@electric_boogaloo496

2 жыл бұрын

No dirbikes, ranging from inexpensive 20 years old designs to cutting endge MX or Hard Enduro racing ready models bother with ABS. With off road surfaces, its is very often beneficial to let the wheels lock, or turn at much slower rate for the speed of the bike.

Wow some serious bikes. Is that Cube with ABS a 2023 model?

@embn

2 жыл бұрын

Keep an eye on the channel over the next few days for all the latest updates from the show 😉

@graham2167

2 жыл бұрын

All of the bikes are too expensive. Clearly aimed at fat unfit middle age people going through a mid life crisis.

Have Scott have a new Eride Ransom or updates to there 2023 model?

The problem with these bikes is that they look so god damn good, i'd have to park my bike in the kingdom of heaven to prevent it being stolen

Do try the new Valeo electric 7shift automatic :)

Oooooooh I wonder why that Bosch motor was covered up. Bosch Gen 5? I hope not because I just bought a 2022 Mondraker Crafty R. I don't want it to be outdated already! :P

just checked oli motor website you can not even buy off the site so how can you buy the motor for use with bosch frames

ABS is nice but I wait for airbag and full self driving...

Nice covering but please include the pricing for better reference .cheers

I have the new 2022 Giant reign E1+ and the price is still ok, but ABS will up the price of E bikes another 1.000 € and it seems that good money is to be made since MV augusta started selling bikes.

Bit like computers, advancing so quickly you are afraid to pull the trigger and buy one in case something better is just over the horizon. In my old 10 speed days things stayed the same and components were compatible across all makes😁

Simino Bikes are great.

Wondering why not make emtb motor fixings UNIVERSAL?

is there a throttle or just pedal assist?

Looks nice. And all the while, Bafang are quietly making multi millions from self build enthusiasts like me.

doesn't ABS just add weight ,complexity, and cost ?? also WHF repairs computer controlled ABS ECU,s ( electric control units )next thing will be traction control and airbags

Great, but there is a lack of stock of available mountain bikes.

Still waiting for my e-Bike (ordered in September 21)

Please see if stealth Australia have their b52s

I'd like to see reviewers of ebikes knock down on the design of the frames more. Why are there so many ebikes with the odd shaped top tube??? Loving the low stand over height of modern mountainbikes. I'd be terrified to swing my legs over any of these new eMTB with ball buster top tubes. A special shoutout for hideous frame designs in this video, the french bike at the end. For no reason other than looking more like a motorcycle than a mountainbike? The MV Agusta wasn't pretty either, unlike their motorcycles those are some gorgeous rides. eMTB need to look more like regular MTB to be appealing. Nice to see some of the first motor/gearbox combos. Especially liking the Orange bike!

Price ?

still with the vapour-ware linkglide.

thanks for the tour...I do like these e-bikes but unfortunately i don't like the price..full stop, due to having a family i doubt i will be able to ever own one...exspecially one that is worth buying...damn shame.

@chinarello2928

2 жыл бұрын

The chinese Simino full-sus sounded like it war priced right.

12:08 Merida brought a bike with rusty bolts to the Eurobike? xD

@romma11

2 жыл бұрын

that's dirt, not washed properly

for me the trek exe is THE bike of the year, surprisingly not big trek fan

I want the Orange phase mx but I bet I can't afford it

italiabike the ferrari of bike in 2023

I’m waiting for an eMtb with autopilot which follow a downloaded gpx file 🤣

Top of the top tube. Top of the down tube would be pretty awkward with the top tube in the way...

And yet, nearly all have components that would be entry level at best on traditional bikes as much as half the price.

@MHH3180

2 жыл бұрын

@@zed5129 the point being that if you remove $1500 (rediculously high) for the battery amd mid-drive, the remaining bike would not be worth half the remaining price as a traditional bike.

While all these bikes are cool, unfortunately they will be unaffordable to the masses.

Friends don’t let friends ride Ebikes

Maybe mom and dad will buy you one.

15000€ a bike??? no way!!!

The fact that Trek had to add an “extended range” battery to a finished product tells me this was DOA. Watts matter folks. Not every rider is under 1.8m & 90kg.

It seems there are e-MTBs only on the market. Why don't you show trekking e-bikes?

Nothing in the area of security ie security lock out on starting the motor etc

Abs only on ebikes?

@TrIpMo1981

2 жыл бұрын

Luckily yes. ABS on dirtbikes is horrible, I hope this ABS on the ebike isn't anything like that. Edit: added dirtbikes word

@chrismade123

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrIpMo1981 abs is the best, just not for you

@TrIpMo1981

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrismade123 yeah ABS is awesome on tarmac or fire roads, but for off road ABS is bad.

@chrismade123

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrIpMo1981 its more secure for average ebiker and roadbikers, well it could if it works like on cars, do you mean a motorcycle dirtbike?

@TrIpMo1981

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrismade123 yes, I mean motorcycle dirtbikes. I have ridden with ABS on moto dirtbikes. It wasn't a good experience. That is why I am not sure how this would work good on trails on an e-bike, to be honest.

After Trek's new motor everything else is just pants imho. And I'm on a Kenevo SL.

@embn

2 жыл бұрын

Trek have certainly done a great job on the new Fuel EX-e. The Kenevo SL is such an awesome bike! 👍

I can't wait for Lamborghini to unveil their own electric bike. It would be the most powerful and fastest with very long range capabilities.