Russ reminds me of Theoden here: „Lord, we can not defeat the armies of Mordor“ - „No we can not! But we will meet them in battle NONETHELESS!“

Haha those subtitles... "Horace Looper Cow"

@pascal9055

4 жыл бұрын

His Appalachian name?

@FatStarZzzz

2 жыл бұрын

I Always put'em on!! Hilarious !!

@KaiserAfini

2 жыл бұрын

Its supposed to say "Horace Loopy Cow"

@logangrimnar3800

Жыл бұрын

It's the Great Horse Looper Cow! The bovine who sends horses back in time to kill his opponents!

Russ stabs Horus with the spear Horus: you.... Russ: what? Horus: you should have gone for the head!

@yehudajames3334

3 жыл бұрын

I guess it's quite randomly asking but does anyone know of a good website to watch newly released movies online ?

@Anwyn58

2 жыл бұрын

Would you take your brothers head?

@HAHAd2

Жыл бұрын

@@yehudajames3334 no

@JakeSmith-em5sh

Жыл бұрын

​@Yehuda James Hulu, Amazon, and Netflix aren't options in your location?

“You can kill me “, said Russ defiantly , " But You Will Never Win.." -> Words for the Gods Of Chaos 🤔🤔

Horus lost to Russ because he was too arrogant, gloating and believing there was no way Russ could even hurt him. Russ was also given a weapon made specifically to kill Horus imbued with some of the emperors own power. Also remember that about a third of his legion died to ensure he would survive. Sanguinius would be fighting a horus not only imbued with the pantheons power but now humbled by almost being killed by russ, he would not let an opening like that happen again. Sanguinius would be fighting Horus 1 on 1, with no legion at his back, after spending who knows how long holding off the traitor legions at the eternity gate. Sanguinius also arguably has even more of a personal attachment to Horus than Russ, so if anything I think it adds to his sacrifice, he took on the most powerful thing next to the emperor, alone, with no bullshit instakill stick

@jhskay556

5 жыл бұрын

Also I believe Sanguinius wounded Horus as well or damaged his armor to the point to where the Emperor could exploit the weak spot and destroy Horus completely

@wikipediaintellectual7088

5 жыл бұрын

Basically, they both lost because of plot armor. Horus lost because of the evil gloating trope, and Russ lost because of the inverse.

@brigandboy1425

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and then he died. It's almost like in warfare you should go prepared to win or don't go at all.

@beipiaosaurus2379

5 жыл бұрын

Sanguinius Have been wound before his fight Vs horrus no ?? if i remember correctly some demon butcher blood angel made sangui lost control and injure him. (i just started reading so i am not sure)

@MetPolVago

5 жыл бұрын

Sanguinius had a vision of his death at the hands of Horus, perhaps his vision showed him that the wound he inflicts on Horus is what ultimately lets the Emperor defeat him and the only way to inflict that wound is what leaves him open to Horus killing him. So no, I don't think it downplays Sanguinius' sacrifice at all.

If only Russ had similar feelings for Magnus as he once had for Horus

@calumknight9178

5 жыл бұрын

He did.... If you read the HH book on the burning of prospero from the space wolves view Russ thought he was communicating with Magnus via a psyker (he wasn't, but he didn't know that) and tried to convince him to stand down and go with him to terra.

@tacotuesdayorbust22rockand41

4 жыл бұрын

it’s like he could have just said something to magnus in the face but fuck nerds amirite lmao

@Teflondon25

4 жыл бұрын

Magnus fucked up the imperium more than anyone besides Horus and Erebus (fuck Erebus). It doesn’t matter that he wasn’t trying to, ripping open the webway and letting chaos into terra was devastating. He deserved everything he got and more..

@Damo2690

4 жыл бұрын

@@Teflondon25 But his Legion *didn't*

@khartog01

4 жыл бұрын

@@Teflondon25 Magnus was meant for the Throne and Horus knew this. If Russ took Magnus to Terra, the Emperor wouldn't have to sit on the Throne. Magnus fucked up and Horus took advantage of it.

I’ll say the scope of 40K is so vast that multiple facets of a tale can emerge over time to completely change what we know. This means everything is canon until it’s not. Face it, it’s been like this for 3 decades. But in a way, it’s also how things are with the actual Imperium itself!

@wolflordrho

5 жыл бұрын

Great point. It's one of the great things about 40k... stories lose details over the course of 10,000 years! Let alone in the Imperium! So much room for future twists and turns!

Sanguinius’s death is still going to be special. It’s going to come down to him seeing that if he does not die the emperor will be holding back to much and will be overwhelmed by Horus. His death is the Key to Imperial Victory.

Everybody saying this doesnt count as a victory for Russ because of Horus was gloating seems to have the wrong idea about combat and strategy. You play to your enemies weaknesses not strengths, in this battle it would be pride. It's like saying you cant use feints or any other type of mental tactic because its "underhanded"

@pascal9055

4 жыл бұрын

Truth be told, let's use the only combat example most of us can kind of relate to: if you stun someone with a flashbang or stun grenade in Call of Duty or some other shooter and get behind them to try and do a melee kill or something rather than getting the kill, and they somehow kill you while you try and get the BM kill... well if you lose there, you still have to respawn. You died. The other guy didn't. In the end, that's what matters. Unless, of course, you're Vulcan.

@rickconnolly5006

3 жыл бұрын

Anybody not willing to use guile, and cunning to win a war probably won't wind up winning many...

@yomanwtfisthisshit

3 жыл бұрын

@@pascal9055 Your analogy would be more fitting to the Russ/Horus fight if the supposed flashbanged opponent actually just feinted to be incapacitated but could have acted and defended at any time, so even if you didn't decide to gloat and went for the kill immediately instead, he would be able to at least defend against it albeit maybe not go for the kill himself right away. Anyway actual hand to hand combat analogies would be more fitting and feints and counters are a staple in any real combat sport with many fighters specializing in it and winning championships that way.

@bengeorge9063

2 жыл бұрын

This battle was a ridiculous waste of resources for the space wolves. Nothing changed regarding the traitor advance on Terra, the Space Wolves lost their remaining strength and nearly lost their primarch.

@theredstorm

2 жыл бұрын

@@bengeorge9063 Finally, a comprehensive comment. A lot of people here are definitively biased in favor of Russ. Not only did he waste the power of.his legion because of his pride, but he missed the opportunity of killing Horus because of sentimentalism... Too Bad he didn't feel the same towards Magnus! Jokes aside, i Guess it's terribly difficult to do a cohérent character building when the end of the story is already writen

the sacrifice of the wolves was way more heroic than even the writer could portray, they threw themselves at him over and over knowing it meant death, in a blood fueled frenzy, i was completely caught off guard, almost in tears, they wouldnt be stopped, couldn't be stopped.

I think it showed just how powerful Russ was, for all of his boasting he could back up what he said. I do think Russ was right in thinking that Sanguinius would be too much for him though. Russ had the emperors spear and Horus took him lightly but the fact he could’ve killed Horus at this point is impressive still. I’m loving how these black Library books have made Leman a much more interesting character. wolfsbane was incredible

@PresidentialWinner

3 жыл бұрын

....it's all made up dude

To think that nearly 10,000 years later that same spear would hurt another traitor primarch

@MrFlashpoint1978

4 жыл бұрын

Ragnar Blackmane throws it into the eye of Magnus as he's attempting a chaos rift in the Space Wolf series of books.

@totallynotalpharius2283

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrFlashpoint1978 that's the most Rout most badass thing ever

@charlesballiet7074

4 жыл бұрын

@@totallynotalpharius2283 poor Magnus always gets the short straw

@____________838

4 жыл бұрын

Wrong spear.

@mikemarcotte5962

3 жыл бұрын

@@totallynotalpharius2283 that's not even the best part. Later in the story Ragnar PUNKS Magnus, a Primarch, back through another gate by just FLINCHING at him.

I just love how passionately you tell us these stories

This right here, this shows how much Leman and Horus loved and respected one another. But, Though Russ had tried… Horus that existed was gone. Seriously, what story writing and emotion.

I have this strange feeling that when the encounter between Sanguinius and Horus happens, Sanguinius will have the upper hand for most of the engagement, until he too is shown the "uncorrupted" face of Horus and relents, enabeling Horus to mortally wound him when he is unbalanced - if Sanguinius then, in that moment, carve the legendary hole in Horus' armor, his sacrifice will remain as great as it has always been - this, at least, is what I am hoping :)

I couldn't repeat what I had done to Magnus and (REDACTED)... I took pity on Angron, because he was mad... Horus though... He was my brother, longer than any others...

@aitoriri1

5 жыл бұрын

The Wolf King is a badass but he loves his brothers, like a pack

@Leman.Russ.6thLegion

5 жыл бұрын

@@aitoriri1 Aye, that ... Executioner is the wrong title. I only got it after #11.

@psychedashell

5 жыл бұрын

@@Leman.Russ.6thLegion I think your wolves are the rightful owners of that title, they had it before you were even discovered and until recently they had no hesitation in performing it

@GentlemanBystander

4 жыл бұрын

Don't pretend, Angron outfought you, and even if you'd ordered your astartes to kill him, you'd have never made it off the field alive.

@TheSatyrblue

4 жыл бұрын

@@GentlemanBystander Russ held back on Angron trying to help him see reason. He never went into that fight with the intention of actually harming Angron.

This counts as a solid W for Russ. He won that battle by outsmarting a superior opponent. This has to make Russ the most lethal of all the Primarchs. I do think they need to re-do the lore around Sanguinius. Strangled to death? How is that even possible? Wouldn't his neck just heal? Only a beheading would make sense.

@lordcommissar7813

3 жыл бұрын

Yah and primarch don't require much air... it would take a long time to strangle one

I really enjoy to listen yours video/ way to explain them. This one is my favorite, keep going mate and wish to support you. Cheers

"I hear you, and I DEFY you!" ... damn, gives me chills.

True strength is not having the power to do great harm, it is possessing that power and choosing love anyway. Russ made me a proud son on that day. I would fight for the Great Wolf on any field he deems fit. No threat is too large, no feat too hard. For the mighty Leman Russ we charge!

I've never felt so pumped cleaning my kitchen. Love your chanel

1.1k this morning, 1.3k now - keep going! :D

Good Work as always, Keep them coming, Emperor Bless you 😎 !!!.-P.S.I Wish you More Suscribers ,you Deserve IT !!!.

@wolflordrho

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Sanguinius had visions of what would happen if he killed horus. He saw himself hurl his spear through horus and kill horus. He also saw what the repercussions would be and knew he had to die. If russ had not stopped to try and save his brother when he struck him with his spear then he would have won, horus even said as much.

Love this video

Love the vids. I cant watch this one yet. Currently reading wolfsbane. Which is a bummer because I'm addicted to this series

Great tale !

Hey! that was a very banged up Sanguinius...

@henryviiifake8244

3 жыл бұрын

Sure. But let's not forget that Sanguinius has _BULLIED_ greater demons of Khorne and an empowered Horus was a well-placed spear thrust away from losing to Leman (who was being told by all and sundry) and wasn't exactly fresh himself. Either Horus held back heavily against Leman or the writing is *atrociously* bad: how can someone who beat (a weary) Sanguinius AND leave the Emperor's ass in a coma nearly get killed by someone who is repeatedly described as being weaker than him? 🤔

@spike.strat1318

3 жыл бұрын

@@henryviiifake8244 If i’m not mistaken, i believe chaos was strengthening Horus as time went on. So the Horus that faced Russ was weaker than the Horus who faced Sanguinious.

I really hope that it's revealed that Sanguinius beat Horus, but in doing so he succumbed to the black rage and attacked the Emperor. The emperor destroying Horus' soul was a "no witnesses" situation.

@KaiserAfini

2 жыл бұрын

Might explain why there are two aspects of the primarch. One is the being of rage he became, one that all those afflicted with the gene flaw empower. The other is the brother the primarch remember, his sons honor and human across the galaxy venerate as a symbol of hope.

@squoblat

2 жыл бұрын

@@KaiserAfini I really think this theory could turn the 40k scene into something much more interesting. It would be a nice twist of fate in Dante's arc as well. I'd love to see Guilliman given a plot line that allows him the possibility of resurrecting Sanguinius, but the big E shows him a vision of what really happened before he makes the choice to bring him back.

@KaiserAfini

2 жыл бұрын

@@squoblat I think at this point both Big E and Sanguinius have become full warp entities, so resurrecting them is impossible. The closest that could be accomplished is to place a shard into a daemonhost or, with a massive amount of research and a very complex ritual, gather the shards into a full avatar. But that would be a mental image of them, a shadow of their emotional resonance in the Imperium rather than the humans, meaning it could be remarkably bad as daemons are prone to extremes.

I have finally found a hardcopy of this book!! soon I shall enjoy full story!!

Awesome listen! I got the audible version and the battle betrween the wolves and the sons as well as the primarchs was riveting! Tell me; what is the next book in the series? I want to see what happens not only to the wolves, but cawl as well.

Sanguinius killed Horus and fell to the first black rage before mortally wounding the emperor. The emperor hesitated not for Horus, his bastard traitor son, but for his Angel.

I need this book!

For Russ, and the Allfather. Russ may be a barbarian, but I think this shows that no matter how bruttish he may seem, he still has emotion.

Do a video on the Sanguinor going in Sanguinius’ place in Ruinstorm!!! Would love to hear your thoughts on it.

It could be that Sanguinius knew that if he defeated Horus, he would have possibly returned, so it had to be The Emperor to unmake him. And during the fight that he was prolonging waiting for The Emperor, he just run out of stamina, as we know, we wasn't in the best shape. That's why in my humble Sanguinius lost to Horus.

Where can I find the audiobook

Well, I burnt my dinner...which is what happens when you start watching Wolflord Rho video and say 'Just 10 minutes'... ;)

Love is the death of duty.

Holy crap!!!

Russ infused with Khorne would be insane! Angron would be his little pup

@GentlemanBystander

4 жыл бұрын

[laughs in Night of the Wolf]

@daijme

4 жыл бұрын

Angron would beat russ with his hands tied behind his back

@ZiGGi03

4 жыл бұрын

@@daijme wrong !

@ZiGGi03

4 жыл бұрын

@@anonsaccount1562 when did angron beat Russ ? What book ?

@ZiGGi03

4 жыл бұрын

@@anonsaccount1562 russ losing on purpose isnt losing he took the loss to show a lesson he predicts what would happen to him Angron was predictably wild he said their only 2 that could beat russ as he says himself conrad Cruz and Sanguineus

Whereabouts can I buy the audiobooks?

Next wolf throwing the spear is Ragnar Blackmain? Awesome episode bro !

Ty

Yeah I got the impression Russ only won because of Horus' gloating etc, I never for a moment thought This was any type of victory for Russ. Also we know that sanguinius was already weakened from his fight with the Bloodthirster and the fighting during the siege of Terra, he wasn't at full strength when he confront Horus. I personally don't think even a full strength Sanguinius could beat a Chaos powered Horus but the fight would have been a bit closer.

@bullbegger2281

3 жыл бұрын

you do know what a hollow/Pyrrhic victory is right?.... You know you can win something and it not feel like a victory?.... So no it's not a contradiction, I mean come on how can you be that stupid?.... oh i'm a Dorn fan not an Angel fan.

15:20 - When the Space Wolf marines are rushing Horus (and his maul), I just picture the first battle scene from LOTR: Return of the King, when Sauron's just knocking enemy troops out of the park with each swing!! >XD Did the Space-Puppies not have access to a teleporter; even if it just took Russ to a different part of the V.Spirit? I presume none of them were able, or had the foresight, to pick up the Emperor's spear and try, however futilely, to further wound Horus? I mean if you're set to face Horus and sacrifice yourself anyway, you could go for strikes you wouldn't normally attempt as they would leave you open? Where's a Cyclonic Torpedo when you need one. Detonate one by hand and utterly obliterate both ships, both legions, both Primarchs and rid the worst threat from the Imperium!?! Maybe Uncle "Dark Horse" Malcador should have gone with Russ!?

@elasolezito

4 жыл бұрын

Same here!! Also this came to my mind kzread.info/dash/bejne/n3WXp5d9o6i7otI.html At 0:26 Horus trying to stop the space wolves and get to Russ (He's shouting them in Greek to be quiet) XD

Now tell us about how did Horus reacted when he first met Robute Gulliman

It's an estimation on Lemans side and it says as much about his character as it does his ability. If anything it says a lot about what sanguinius goes through on the vengeful spirit which by that point is not the ship we saw in the beginning of the heresy novels, and neither are the personnel on it. It wouldn't surprise me if much of it is internal as well as he is essentially lucifer recast. Remember that he drove the first wedge between the emperor and horus and pointed him towards lorgar and alpharius all during the course of a single conversation.

Was the spear akin to the kinbrak anathema that erubus stole from the interex??i

What is the song that you use for your background music??? @wolflordrho

@sultansuleman1046

4 жыл бұрын

Children of the Omnissiah is the background music

This is what happens when you fight a raid boss way to underleved but with a OP object that you were given by a higher level player

Russ is bro for life . He tried to convince Horus to come back home. He is not a complete executioner.

🔥🎸🔥

Please do Sanguinius v Luprecal, and follow up with the Emperor fighting his traitorous son.

@ffejpsycho

5 жыл бұрын

When it happanes... that is..

What music is this?

I don't think this undermines Sanguinius, but just gives even more credit to Russ.

He just wanted his pack leader back :(

> rogue one > one of greatest scenes in cinema history W in T actual F

@thewarhammerworkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Rogue 1 is the only shining light in an era of awful Star Wars films. The Darth Vader scene is probably the best scene in Rogue 1

@justinheads5751

5 жыл бұрын

@@thewarhammerworkshop yeah except no though. less bad =/= good.

After reading Echoes of Eternity and Sanguinius killing Angron and the Greater Daemon too, your last comment about him earns even more credibility. I expect Sanguinius to die in Vengeful Spirit either because he is exhausted or because of psychic trauma. As presented in Echoes of Eternity he is the best fighter of the Primarchs ...

I would LOVE IT if the Sanguinius theory is true. Where he, whilst fighting Horus, is getting his ass kicked, and then, boom, he goes into the black rage. He then, shits on Horus, shits on everyone around him. Then, the emperor walks in. The emperor just goes on the defensive, hoping against hope Sanguinius snaps out of it. He doesn't, and the emperor is forced to kill him. It explains why the emperor didn't want to attack him.

If I was Russ I would be like in the movie ''Gangs of New Yourk'' see this notch in your maul that is you. And swing home.

@Harro150988

5 жыл бұрын

Or give him no chance to recover and claim actual glory by achieving Horus' death. Kill first, gloat later.

@elasolezito

4 жыл бұрын

Looks at Horus dead in the eye "That's a wound." I love this movie nice reference...

I never really liked Rus and the wolves until this book. I loved Magnus so obviously I didn’t like the wolves lol. But this book humanized Rus a lot more than I’m use to and that made me feel for him. He only needed to wound Horus. And just as the blade that wounded Horus on Daven poisoned him, this to will weaken him. Maybe not now but I do believe this hurt him more than he realizes. At least this is my hope.

Haha the captions called him Horace LooperCow on my phone.

In a way it does cheapen the death of Sanguinius for Russ to have beaten Horus in so much as Horus to that point was an unstoppable force. This exchange takes away from the threat of Horus as now it’s clear that all that it takes to kill Horus is a weapon of the emperor and skill. If Russ can do it so can Sanguinius. If Russ can do it, so could the Lion. If Russ can do it so could Dorn. If Dorn can do it so could Ferris. And yet Ferris dies, Sanguinius dies, Russ almost dies and the Lion would mostl likely die because the storyline demands it. In my opinion this is contrived writing and it’s why the Horus Heresy should’ve been left as a mystery or at the very least vague. By showing this fight between brothers and showing how even Chaos powers couldn’t stop a standard primarch (all be it an unbelievably skilled and powerful primarch) then how could the emperor lose? How could Sanguinius lose when you see how he fights and how fatigue doesn’t phase a primarch the same as it does a human? Horus is a lumbering giant who is more of a power fighter. He is clever and he isn’t exactly a wimp but as described he is easy prey to the strategic mind. The fight shouldn’t have happened at all in my opinion as it’s just a way to cheapen the threat that is Horus. And I say this as a huge fan of Russ and the space wolves. If Russ has even the smallest chance against a chaos powered Horus then there’s no way the emperor, even holding back, could possibly lose. And if these two had to fight it should’ve been so one sided that Russ never lands a single blow and Horus appears more bored of his brothers attempts due to his power. Placating the fans with fan service is the death of good storytelling every bit as much as “subverting expectations” is. Is wasting your money on an all you can eat buffet at the cost of a juicy stake and fine whiskey, if I may be metaphorical.

Bro i thought of the rogue one scene too lol

Might i ask you to reveal the music playing in the background?

@IgorPrototype90

5 жыл бұрын

@Aung Un'Rama Thank you. I found it in the meantime but i appreciate the response. Kill for the living, Luna Wolf! :)

Hmm. About Russ beating Sanguinius. Yes he might be capable of that feat. But Russ easily defeating Sanguinius says nothing of Russ being able to or not. At the moment Horus kills Sanguinius he is so coked up on warpdust that he is almost equal in power to the Emperor because the Chaos gods need the Emperor to die and thus gave Horus the full power of their blessings. Also, like you stated Sanguinius had a busy day and was not at his best.

Prophecy from Horus: This is the weakness that shall cause our father to fail (not exact quote). The emperor is only fatally wounded because he holds back because of his love for his favourite son.

Couldn't you argue that Horus beat Sanguinius because he, meaning Horus, is basicly pumped up on chaos steroids?

@totallynotalpharius2283

2 жыл бұрын

And sanguinius just got done soloing all the daemons in existence at eternity gate

Well Russ created the opening he was already accepting his death but he fought out of the talons grip and stabbed him with the spear nearly every villain gives a little speech before their about to kill the good guy and Russ took advantage of that window he was given he still “won” the fight.

This is what makes me like Leman Russ and the space wolves the amount people who talk shit about them and hate them makes me like them more especially Bjorn.

Ouch?! Right?

imagine what the movie will be like... when it is made in like.. 100 years.

I thought the bit in talon of Horus was better when abbodon faces his clone farther.

The Sons of Hor-Russ

The spear of Russ, is a Metaphysical Blade, Valdor has one to. Valdor discovered that his spear is practically alive and when it cuts anything it says to him his enemies greatest weakness. Whereas Russ's spear cuts anything it reveals to the bearer the enemies greatest moment of happiness. So my question is since Valdor and Russ both have cut Horus what is Horus's greatest moment of happiness and greatest fear

Russ had a special weapon for the fight that totally stunned Horus when it made contact. We know Sanguinius also landed blows on Horus, but he had a "normal" power sword.

"This universe will burn as countless others have burned before it" What did Horus mean by this?

@eclipseslayer98

5 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't it be funny if there were countless universe before Warhammer 40k, and Chaos has eaten every one of them? Then when they eat everything and slowly "die" from starvation, the cycle begins all over again in the next universe when Chaos reawakens. If that is what's implied, then I would personally be disappointed, as I've seen lots of universes that take the "universal cycle of fate" approach to world-building and story-telling I, unfortunately, see it as being kind of cheap and overused now.

@jeremyw.norwood1453

4 жыл бұрын

Have you ever heard of the "End Times"? In WARHAMMER fantasy? Though.

@mikebott6940

4 жыл бұрын

@@eclipseslayer98 The mere idea of a cycle of eternal recurrence is terrifying, isn't it ?

@lordcommissar7813

3 жыл бұрын

@@eclipseslayer98 eh honestly that's a Interesting take on it tho I wouldn't mind it

So is the Emperor's spear an anethme?

It does seem like the angels have been over shadowed by the wolves. I don't like that, though the story this way isn't bad. Does it make more sense over all, that Sanguinius would be more likely to get that dire wound on Horus, because of the spear's power? I do not know.

Russ was a darn fool to give quarter and let up when he had Horus at bay. Never give your enemy a chance to recover

He really didn't stand a chance at all . He was swatted like a fly. Only reason he had a chance to beat horus was because of the spear, not russ himself. In order to give sanguinius his due they simply have to let him hold his own against horus for a little while.

@deadeyed373

5 жыл бұрын

Russ himself was smart enough to use tactics and feints to create the opening, since he wasn't as powerful so he used unconventional methods like always to make an opening. If you have a tool, and you make it work, thats a win. Pre-existing plot makes this "who would win" messy. The 2 times Russ "lost" vs a primarch, Lion El & Horus, its because his humanity comes out. He stops fighting or going for the kill and laughs or in this case tried to save his brother. Strength, Skill and Power of a greater quantity doesn't mean autowin because in combat there is wit, tools, strategy and cunning. Both times he COULD have ended them.

@LucidWanderer

4 жыл бұрын

Horus was imbuded with Chaos power so yeah why not use the spear to make it an even fight.

The book was incredible,i have the audiobook and your are right mate it was just unbelievable. And yea i think russ won and i also think that pre heresy horus wud hav fallen to the lord of winter and war!

@wolflordrho

5 жыл бұрын

Of course! I'm backing the Great Wolf in any fight! But yes it really is good. I feel like Russ in particular comes across really well in the audiobooks. Great voice actor.

@absolute-focus

5 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Keeble is the master of narrating. He has a thousand voices.

Astartes need to make a video of Horus hunting Russ through the Vengeful Spirit. Hacking down suicidally brave wolfs the whole way.

Russ won Imho and the dream sequence prior was my key part of the book for me

I think sanguinius' sacrifice remains significant because he actually dies fighting horus. He gives his last bit of life away for humanity, much like malcador the hero, and ollanius Pius.

I can't help but think of Jon Cena's theme when someone does the backbreaker in 40k. People do it so fucking often.

Wolf Lord, I don't think that statement is quite accurate. Leman stating he could beat Sanguinius. I thought he said he could NOT beat Sanguinius or Kurse. I don't have access to my audiobook/book right now, but could you confirm that and let us know? You're doing a stellar job. As much 30-40k lore that is out there, I find your Primarch perspectives, fresh and on the money. Keep doing what you're doing brother...

@deadeyed373

5 жыл бұрын

thats correct.. But he also said in this book he couldn't beat horus but he obviously did if you remove the plot armor. Russ WOULD and COULD kill any of the primarchs. full stop. That's what he was made for. Reworking established lore without retconing everything is what makes it messy imo. I dont think GW ever intended to get this in depth.

Nah Horus was bloated by the power of the 4 Chaos gods, so Sanguinius could never have beaten him, even with this own magic spear of Telesto. Also the big E was holding back remember.....

GW has been setting up the Sanguinius ret-con for 6 years now. Plain as day. He's going to kill Horus.

i may of already said but its worth saying, the angel is all good, Horus is going to get more power before the siege and the angel is gonna be shattered!

your voice is beautiful.

I dont think this under values Sanguinius at all simply because Russ had more favorable conditions and a simpler win condition with the Emperor's Spear. He just had to wound Horus while Sanguinius had to 1v1 Horus with no such weapon. And Horus would also be a bit more careful against Sanguinius because the Angel is more dangerous AND Horus nearly died against Russ.

No, Leonard Russell only got something in, because he used a bewitched weapon. Had he not had that, there would have been no discussion. The barbarian would've been dead on the floor, and his curs would've scattered in fear before the Warmaster, before being put to the sword, by the mighty Children of Horus.

I think sanganinus was trying stop Horus, Russ was trying to use guile to do this one wound. Horus assumed that the latter was trying to do what the former did. If Russ were to try to stop Horus 1 on 1 (scattered via teleporting) he would have been broken just like sanginsus. I also really like the idea of sanginius risking his life to make an opening or make some weakness available for everyone else. That or defending a poor guardsmen being peeled alive by Horus.

Shouldn't have hesitated

Holy fucking shit...... I would never claim that Russ could kill Horus.... Yet... Besides the fucking emperor himself.... Who came closer?

War of the wolves

I love the story, I hate the placement of it - it really ruins the pacing of other stories. A big point of Prospero was to tie up two Loyalist Legions during Horus' assault on the Emperor, made all the more pungent by Magnus determinedly giving in to the Wolves until the dying moments when he confronted Russ because his Thousand Sons refused to let the Wolves raze their libraries and faught back. Because of this Russ won quicker than expected and still might have made it to Terra in time had the Alpha Legion not attacked the battle weary Wolves and held up both the Wolves and the Dark Angels who stepped in to save them. Rather than seeing Russ as a bigger hero after this story I see him as more of an idiot. RUSS WAS ON TERRA. This book makes the timing that rather than getting to Terra too late to make a difference Russ was there, Russ made Terra after Prospero, decided he was of no real help then left on an ultimately and knowingly futile suicide/glory-hunting mission, then failed to get to Terra on time. It's also Russ' fault that a shipload of Dark Angels didn't make it on time.

@konigstiger3252

2 жыл бұрын

My head canon is he went home to see the seer after breaking mag spine but never made it to Terra. In desperation to do something he throws his legion in one desperate gamble.

Horus Warp smashes Sanguinius, He is empowered even more at the time.