Honda Civic Type R EP3 vs FL5 | Is the original still the king?
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The new Honda Civic Type R is an entertaining machine, no doubt. However, the question we want to ask is whether it lives up to the legendary original Civic Type R - the EP3.
We sent Grace Webb to twin test the new FL5 and original EP3 side by side to see if the true hot hatch blood is still running through the veins.
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Pre-empting the comments to say that the EK9 wasn't sold in the UK...
@PlanetautoUK
Жыл бұрын
Touché - every ek9 owner ever
I feel as though noone is paying attention to the video. The presenter states that the EP3 was the first Type R model to come to the UK, therefore making it the Original Type R in that market..
@GoodwoodRR
Жыл бұрын
*nodding intensifies*
Your last comment says it all. "You want to drive home in modern luxury ". The Type R was a sports car and not a luxury car. The newer cars are bloated and over weigbt. The EP3 was the last of the lightweight, sports derived Type R's.
@sidathwijeratne7168
Жыл бұрын
You’re right, even the EP3 was somewhat compromised when it launched, but by todays standards, they’re delightfully simple
@LCOF
10 ай бұрын
It's a hot hatch, not a 'sports car'.
I might be a little biased, EP3 everyday of the week for me. I love mine
@jamesrobert4106
Жыл бұрын
Likewise. Brilliant little bread van 😊
I’d personally have the EP3, or even the FN2 over the FL5, just for that high revving N/A engine alone… but the EK9 is the absolute cream of the crop
@LCOF
10 ай бұрын
I've had a few EK9's. Checking the MOT history site, none of them are on the road now. They all turn to rust eventually. Plus if you have loved ones you'll probably want something safer. A 15 year old lad punched my mates EK9 on the side and left a massive dent. They really are made out of tinfoil.
@sidathwijeratne7168
10 ай бұрын
@@LCOF given the fact that EK9s are 20k cars these days, as well as having the aforementioned rust issues, most owners of them now only use them as a weekend car that only gets driven in the warmer months. Might not be the safest, but it’s the most raw and pure civic type r for sure
the ep3 type r the last lightweight honda ever made
VTECH is a typo...
Credit for your new presenter - very engaging and knowledgeable :)
EP3 all day.. Reason why still single..
@jamesrobert4106
Жыл бұрын
Ermmm...I am also single and have an EP3 😂
@playbackvintagehifihunter9669
6 ай бұрын
Expecting my first baby since buying my ep3 back in 2005.. it's finally time to retire the old bird.
I had to 05 EP5 loved it what a motor
Great presenter, calm, fluid and nicely spoken. Not all shouty and idiotic like many channels seems to now be seem to be like. Not really much of a video though. With those epic local roads I would like to have seen better, more exciting camera work.
Fantastic cars across the board and still manual, arguably the best 6 speed ever
I jump into my mk6 1.6D golf, and it fells like a Bentley compared to my ep3, but I wouldn't change it for the world. Now i have done a k24 frank swap, and love it even more, Much better to drive than any EK series.
At £50,000 the new type R is a joke. Sad times for a once great car manufacturer. Luckily older classic Type Rs are available :)
Torque steer on the ep3………..think your script editor made a mistake, 😂😂😂 you’re having a laugh
@littledan6994
Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I just commented to...laughable that was 😂 lift off oversteer.. yeah 💪😂
EP3 all day long proper hot hatch 🔥
As soon as they play the Hollywood music on the FL5 intro you could tell it was a Honda funded puff piece. 💨 then they intro a dull AF looking older model with no music. Foreshadowing
Both……amazing machines…..😁
I think both occupy different segments of the market now.
What about the EK9? Didn't you get them in the UK?
@stonedfly46
Жыл бұрын
@Norykmai Thanks for the clarification, I honestly thought the UK would have got them.
@floobadoo
Жыл бұрын
@@stonedfly46 many have been imported
FL5 seems like the R35 GTR version of the TYPE R's, FATTER, FASTER, and more REFINED.
I love the mini-Odyssey
The fl5 costs 10x the ep3 not really a fair comparison. The average age of the ep3 owner is closer to the target audience of people in their 20-30s while the people who can afford the fl5 will probably be looking at porsche gt3’s and bmw m4/5s
Right after this video I'm going to forget this Civic ever existed. I can't ever forgive that gear shifter.
FL5 = Civic with more HP than a 2000 Camaro Z28
"Revised turbos" - first of all there's only one turbo, secondly it might be revised compared to the FK8 but the EP3 being used as reference isn't turbocharged at all. No disrespect to Grace, since I don't know who writes how much script or whatever, but this didn't feel as informed as GRRC videos can be. Thanks for reminding us of the EP3, but I don't know who this video was made for.
"Refined" is not a word that I want to hear when I'm considering a True Hot Hatch. I have test driven all new Type Rs after the EP3 and NO, I disagree with your conclusion that the new Type R is a true Type R. Even from the FN2, Honda had started "Refining" the Civic Type Rs. Yes, they have improved the ride comfort but they have lost the essense of Honda Racing Heritage. The Character of Honda's Racing philosophy is truly gone. This is a shocking video which has all the characteristics of Paid Promotion.
Aww why'd you have to pick the ugly ones, the earlier type r civic is wayyy better the that cheese wedge
Not the original though, is it.
Im honda through and through...and NEVER have i heard anyone describe an ep3 having torque steer 😂😂 lift off oversteer, yeah 😂💪
@85gt
Жыл бұрын
You need torque to have torque steer. Was more concerned they think the EP3 is the OG.
@jamesrobert4106
Жыл бұрын
I love my EP3, but don't you actually need torque for torque steer? 😂
No i-VTECH !! Please 😢
The latest model was too mutch optic you see it on the i30n its looks sporty but not full in your face like the last model .the new one looks way more less hardcore but for commercial better.the ep3 in white❤❤❤❤❤❤ the k20 a what to say rev it
Ek9>
Ek9 is the original. Too many kids not knowing their history these days. Who does the research?
@stonedfly46
Жыл бұрын
She did say the EP3 started the Type R brand in the UK, also caught me by surprise. The "V-TECH" in the annotations was unacceptable though.
@mike_cars
Жыл бұрын
EG6 and EK9, and the Civic ED
@FCT8306onTwoWheels
Жыл бұрын
Yup ek9 bubble
@floobadoo
Жыл бұрын
In the UK the EP3 was first. The EK9s were all imported.
@Hughjanus720
Жыл бұрын
@@mike_cars there was no EG Type R dude, get with the programme
Had the EP3 back in the day. You could watch the fuel gauge drop visibly just on idle. Correction chaps EK9 was the absolute original.
Was she born when the ep3 came out 😂
EK9 is EXoTiC to me. Rarely have i seen any here in E.Tenn USA. I'd rather NOT have the new1. OldSkool all day
Torque steer!? 🤣 EP3 is an icon and the FL5 is too expensive.
Original? Someone missed a memo.
It's not the original though, is it?
Fk8 all day. 😂
325hp in FWD....
I can’t watch the video as the title alone triggers me. EK9 Was the original. NOT the EP3.
Ep3 is well overated, I'd choose the fl5 every day. its propper performance car with a brilliant chassis.
@MrLense
8 ай бұрын
Mr moneybags over here