M2 or Civic Type R - what’s your favourite between the two?

@SnoopiFL5

9 ай бұрын

Type R

@sergeantsqueaker

9 ай бұрын

CTR

@PixelVogue

9 ай бұрын

Previous M2 CS lol

@cdnim2358

9 ай бұрын

Yes!

@zzhughesd

9 ай бұрын

@@PixelVoguefor sure. Is this new 2. And new M2. Slightly over styled. The 1m and original generation M2 were styled golden

Taken my FL5 Civic Type R to The Ring and a 3000 mile tour of Europe with a boot full of luggage four up. Utterly brilliant.

@panathaninf

9 ай бұрын

Peasant car... sorry you couldn't afford the proper car for this, that is the M5 ...

@salvi1398

9 ай бұрын

@@panathaninfyou’re seriously saying the M5 is a better car for the track than the type R?!

@bigboost2641

9 ай бұрын

@@salvi1398 it’s a better car for touring. He did do 3000 miles.

@Cernunn0s90

8 ай бұрын

@@panathaninf M5? What an utterly boring choice... I'd take a Type R over an M5 any day.

@MrLazlness

8 ай бұрын

@@panathaninfm5 is a car for old people

Happy owner of a Championship White FL5, I think she staying with me for ever 😂

@speeddemon311

5 ай бұрын

You'll grow out of it eventually, and probably want something more age appropriate! Great car in the mean time!

@thefactor6909

Ай бұрын

Same except mine is Octane grey pearl . I feel the same way this one just might be my forever car . Had a 22 M240i and all around I like my FL5 much much more 👍🏻👊🏻

I have an M3 xdrive and Integra type s. I’ve driven the G87 M2 manual hard as well. The quick steering and light weight on the Honda products make them more engaging and confidence inspiring in turns, and there’s the whole “drive a slow car fast rather than a fast car slow” bit too. Very hard to stretch a G8x car’s legs on the street. The BMWs are objectively better cars, but I often opt to go out in the Acura because I have more fun around town at lower speeds and on tight turns Honda/ Acura inputs feel more natural and weight is lower, BMWs have more numb and less communicative inputs, but are more capable.

@TheEryk03

9 ай бұрын

M2 is still quite comfortable car and comfort is less engaging

@sergeantsqueaker

9 ай бұрын

100% as the reviewer said BMW have a rubbery feel that I just don't enjoy. Honda feels more natural.

@minigiant8998

9 ай бұрын

@@sergeantsqueaker bmw is luxurious

@jimiverson3085

9 ай бұрын

@@minigiant8998 And very, very heavy.

@chrisginoc

9 ай бұрын

The FL5 is like a surgical knife. Can't imagine what a tune will do to this car. There are a few people pushing 550-550HP on youtube in their FL5s already with better turbos. The G87 M2 definitely has more layers to uncover and one of them is weight reduction. What people forget is why they bought the car and their usage. As a daily driver I'd go M2 all day because of the comfort and luxury. As a weekend, canyons and fun 2nd or 3rd car; FL5 all day.

Both awesome and thank God different. Most KZread reviewers want all vehicles to be same and offer same features, but complain about similarities and lack of distinction. I applaud you for understanding the difference and still appreciate each for what they are. I have chosen type R version which is Acura Integra Type S and my wife and I love it.

This dude is on top of his game, I will buy both.

I don't know...if you care about power only, then sure go for the short-term scrap BMW. The civic type-r was built with balance, to be fast, stable, agile, and etc. Plus, the type-r is cheaper and brings in a better resale value long-term. The civic type-r is better. 👍

@speeddemon311

5 ай бұрын

For people who can't afford the better overall car! Whatever makes you happy!😂

You’ve really matured as a presenter. You’re right up there with the best when it comes to giving an acute sense of what it’s like to be behind the wheel. Kudos!

Give me that FL5 every day.

@GeorgeTelop

9 ай бұрын

I hate every type r ever, i think their extremely ugly and low quality. The new one though.. omg that's a different beast.. love it

@vvsousa

9 ай бұрын

still very ugly

@LafemmebearMusic

9 ай бұрын

Hmmm both great cars no wrong choice here just a matter of taste 😊

@mharro88

9 ай бұрын

Lol no

@mharro88

9 ай бұрын

​@@GeorgeTelopstill shit quality

I own both G80 M3 xDrive, and Type R. Although the M3 is a faster car, the Type R is more engaging to drive, and is more driver focus.

@davothegreat9990

9 ай бұрын

And if you rather a fwd car over an xdrive m3 than you don't deserve the m3!!

@anesennaidoo5279

9 ай бұрын

Great comment...

@davothegreat9990

9 ай бұрын

@@anesennaidoo5279 you have no idea

@3leafz

9 ай бұрын

@@davothegreat9990 if you have driven both of them back to back, you’ll know what I mean. I don’t mean to bash the m3, it’s a fun car to drive, a super fast one, and it is one of the tops of its own league. But as you daily the m3, some of the nuances becomes annoying, like the vague brake pedal feel, too light of steering wheel. To an extend it feels like isolated to the road. Almost like driving an electric car, and yes, i am also a current owner of tesla model 3 performance. And that almost 4000lb weight definitely not light, you certainly would feel the weight tossing around corner in twisty road like Angeles Crest. Yeah you can say the type R is FWD and not as great as OG RWD, but Honda has nailed it on the type r, it doesn’t feel like driving a FWD car, and overall as a package it is what makes a drivers car.

@exoticwhipsbroadspipesandbags

9 ай бұрын

@@3leafzI’m surprised you would have a 50k Honda if you can afford m cars

Minus the wing,the civic looks more mature than the M2 lol

This is a win for the civic, that car is a masterpiece❤

I cant understand modern journalists and older model owners.The new M cars are better than the previous models in every single way.They are faster in straight line,on track,they have better quality and bigger room for people.The previous models are a bit more playful but thats the only thing that they are better than the new ones.The civic is for me the best hot hatchback that someone can buy but it cannot be compared with the M2.

FL5 Type R any day. And ppl said the FL5 was expensive!!!

@KarolSzymonWisniewski

9 ай бұрын

So you fly economy from A to B and get to the same place as a person that pays more to fly first class. Dummy. The honda dealership is like economy class and the BMW "experience" is what people with money may prefer.

This is the review I’ve been waiting for. The fact that these 2 cars are even able to be compared is incredible enough as it is, given their entirely different price categories. But to me, it’s the sublime 6MT of the CTR box that wins all day long.

@Japplesnap

9 ай бұрын

They can't really be compared. The M2 is in a completely different class. Far more power, RWD. Apples and oranges.

@miraclemiler71

9 ай бұрын

@@Japplesnap that’s why I made reference to the comparison itself being so incredible, and said “entirely different”.

@JacesOwnWorld

9 ай бұрын

@@miraclemiler71 lets be honest here. The CTR is selling for practically the same price as the M2 right now LOL. Stop basing cars off of MSRP prices, especially when they don't sell for them (see CTR)...

@LafemmebearMusic

9 ай бұрын

@@JacesOwnWorldog mentioned other factors besides the price. Also tho, you know they are not talking about what greedy dealers ask. They are referring to msrp. Maybe your comment was genuine who knows but it seemed the underlying unspoken was that we all know these are being sold for much more than they are priced msrp hence the video… that was kinda the understanding of the unspoken point.

@zach2954

9 ай бұрын

@@JacesOwnWorld There are plenty of folks getting a CTR with 5k-7k ADM. Anyone willing to currently pay north of 60k for a CTR has got more money than sense.

This review really puts into perspective the nuances of what makes a car "great." While the M2's power and precision are undeniable, the Type R's engaging nature and versatility at a lower price point make it an underdog that's hard to ignore. It's fascinating to see how these two, from different categories and price ranges, can offer unique driving experiences that cater to different audiences. Sometimes it's not about the stats but the feel behind the wheel. 🚗🔥

@anesennaidoo5279

9 ай бұрын

I agree! It comes down to great insight from the Automotive Journalist.

@ROORabuser

9 ай бұрын

I think its always about how a car makes you feel

@Mika-lr4zh

9 ай бұрын

For myself a car has to look not just good but great, fantastic & exciting, so with regard to this generation of the M2, it does none of the above.

@ROORabuser

9 ай бұрын

@@Mika-lr4zh what about the prevoius/first gen M2? Me I love that car with the N55 engine!

@Mika-lr4zh

9 ай бұрын

@@ROORabuser hello, yes I do prefer the looks of the previous M2. The styling is much more cohesive front to back. It’s a shame that BMW could produce something visually in the new car which would make me want it for its looks alone. PS I’m no BMW hater as we have a Z4 and Autovogue 428i

Type R all day long for me.

Regardless of what the presenter says if you just look at his body language you can see that he is enjoying himself much more in the Type R! Honda precision engineering!

CTR. Or even better, ITS. Traded an M3CS for it and couldn’t be happier. CS was an animal and will be much faster on the track (btw, the carbon buckets are my favorite factory seat yet.), but ITS is more fun on the street for sure which is where I’m using it more.

300kg weight difference is quite something.

@WhatisaLee

9 ай бұрын

I'm sat here wondering how the M2 manages to outweigh a car with 2 more doors and a hatchback, let alone by 300kg.

@stefm6764

9 ай бұрын

​@@WhatisaLeeconsidering all the parts around the engine are plastic as well in typical BMW fashion😂

@hassyg4083

9 ай бұрын

bhp is big difference, type r under powered

@yujie1973

7 ай бұрын

different technologies used in the car. I have the 2023 M240i xdrive and weighs probably more than the M2. xdrive adds weight and i installed pretty much all the options i can think of from BMW site. So they all adds up. @@WhatisaLee

The FL5 (I hate calling it a Civic, its a class up from the standard model) is FWD for a reason - weight. Hence why it’s built for track, just like its predecessor, the FK8.

It's not even a competition or a conversation. It's the honda without a doubt. That colour blue is incredible

Great Automotive Journalism to be able to put vastly two different cars together and come up with a joint commonality between the two and compare them from that exact aspect. Well done!!

You're definately one the best car journalists today, up there in the top, good job.

@CARmagazineTV

9 ай бұрын

Glad you’re enjoying the reviews!

CTR is stunning. Would have one anyday.

I’ll take the Type R

Still find it weird that people find it weird to compare a Honda to a bmw. Honda make some of the best performance cars around and have for a long time.

@stavroshadjiyiannis6283

9 ай бұрын

It's only people who have no clue.

That guy has charisma most other youtubers can only dream of

@zzhughesd

9 ай бұрын

Mat Watson has it in spades.

@porscherain

9 ай бұрын

@@zzhughesdsorry mate, Matt comes off a bit of a tw*t

@Tracertme

9 ай бұрын

James is a journalist not a KZreadr..

Great review. This is purist versus neo-purist, prestige and heritage versus innovation and technical brilliance. On a budget and with practicality in mind, I would save a load of money and buy the Honda.

@CARmagazineTV

9 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

@van_der_lindeDA

9 ай бұрын

You can see when someone comments that is a car person!

@danicarcardan5305

9 ай бұрын

Civic type r + gr86 = bmw m2

@van_der_lindeDA

9 ай бұрын

@@danicarcardan5305 explain?

@danicarcardan5305

9 ай бұрын

@@van_der_lindeDA type r 54.000 , gr86 40.000 vs m2 (95.000 ) my preference is (civic and Gr ) sorry no speak english

Well done, a great review 👏

@CARmagazineTV

9 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Make sure to check out reviews of the North America only Integra Type S. Finally we have our own forbidden fruit. The tune is more aggressive and sounds better too

@ASJC27

9 ай бұрын

Officially the ctr has a lower tune in the US compared with the rest of the world. The engine difference between a euro ctr and a type s may not be much.

Wow these shots are amazing!

I always appreciated the FK8 very much. And with this FL5, I have an option that I can drive around where the design is more appealing for a man in his 50s. Love the wide rear stance.

Normally I'm attracted to RWD because of drifting, but this new M2 just isn't good enough to sway me away from a 4 cilinder, FWD car. Of course, that 4 cilinder FWD car is a Civic Type R, probably the best 4 cilinder car there is. ❤️ The Honda is truly a great thing, it might just be the 911 GT3 for the normal man! :)

@LafemmebearMusic

9 ай бұрын

You’ve never driven it so how can you make such a strong statement with no seat time?

@TerrannotOP

9 ай бұрын

😂

@francisgomes9976

8 ай бұрын

Yes 4cyl and FWD is the best sports car platform. Who needs inline 6 and RWD or midengine right?? 😂😂😂 Eat 💩

for resale value, the Honda wins easily. I take mine to the track (Laguna Seca) and it's an unforgettable joy coming down the corkscrew, the only thing holding you back are the more expensive cars in front of you.

I've driven both and the Type R is definitely the more motorsport car of the two.

@Nick-hz2kl

9 ай бұрын

You sir can’t drive or drift . If you could you would pick the car that is similar to a Supra

@cben86

9 ай бұрын

@@Nick-hz2klyou sir don’t know what you’re talking about

@davothegreat9990

9 ай бұрын

​@cben86 you don't! Fwd isn't better than rwd. Cope..

@cben86

9 ай бұрын

@@davothegreat9990 Where did I say FWD is better than RWD?

@davothegreat9990

9 ай бұрын

@@cben86 ctr is fwd and m2 is rwd...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

the fact that both of these cars are being compared is insane. $44k Civic vs $63k M2

I think the point is. The world's are colliding these days. Honda always known to be cheaper and easier to drive (because they're engineered that way) that's why they're so popular among the 'less fortunate'. Meanwhile bmw, essentially the Honda of the Germans have arguably the same approach, they're the cheaper more sporty cars. I've been in all three Audi / bmw / Mercedes and I can vouch that bmw are far from making the most luxury cars out there but you can see their focus is more performance orientated. Now you compare the type R and the M2 today you can start to see they're building into the same car. Yes one fwd, the other is 3 door, etc. But boil down to what market they're made for and there you have it. The same people. I personally think the bmw is harder to live with every day. And one thing the journalists never talk about is reliability which is missed opportunity. All you have to do is tap into the statistics of the heritage of these two and youll start to see very clearly why honda is still excelling with selling their cars while bmw are struggling to push out their brand new M cars. Insurance, servicing, tyres. Why spend 15K more on a car that only JUST won this review when you can get a car that wins in almost everyother comparison.

What’s the better gearbox, type R or Cayman/ Boxster?

Good honest review!

@CARmagazineTV

9 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Fast Japanese cars are brilliant, everyone should try one.

@robertspiller7093

6 күн бұрын

Really, will you stay with the program.

Amazing video. Can you do a 2023 Supra 6MT versus the G87 M2 6MT? I know the G87 is a better and faster car, but would be curious to hear your feedback.

@CARmagazineTV

9 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed. Great idea, we might just do that…

Civic Type R all day!! Too bad that UK doesn't get the Integra Type S

I’d normally always go for the RWD option but in this case I’d take the Civic provided I can also keep my GR86.

I think BMW should offer some "M sport" variant of the 230/330/430 that has both 300 hp and either manual or AWD options that is priced competitively with the CTR and ITS.

@enricosace

4 ай бұрын

They did and not enough people bought them. Isn’t it crazy to think that the BMW 230i was available with a manual as recently as 2021? The base price was $36,000.

@brandonchism6960

4 ай бұрын

@@enricosacethey did not. They gave us 248hp, slapped an M sport badge on it, and shockingly it didn’t sell. The only 4 cylinder, RWD, sedan options of this size with roughly that kind of power are Caddy and Alfa Romeo. I love the old 2, but they phoned that in terms of competing with with CTR.

We've got the "not rich person" versions of both of these. 4-door '06 Honda Civic & bmw 3-series.

You should also compare the experience of getting an oil change service at their respective dealerships.

@CARmagazineTV

9 ай бұрын

Feels like there’s a story here…?

@eddsta69

9 ай бұрын

$55 for the civic and $250 for the m2 😂

@oemj7147

7 ай бұрын

@@eddsta69 Actually in reality is 0 for the BMW and 95 for the Civic.

@eddsta69

7 ай бұрын

It was 250+ for my m4 and $55 for my type r 😂 0 for the first few years with the maintenance package that costed like 1500 😂

nice review, also really love this host he is really great

Two cars I considered purchasing. But unfortunately here in US I didn’t feel like paying over msrp for a type r so I ordered the new M2. Picking up my 2024 M2 manual tomorrow after about 8 month wait.

Interesting the comment he made about the FL5 vs the FK8 about how the newer Type R is not as exciting and doesn’t feel as fast. I do remember Throttle House doing a roll race between the FL5 vs a FK8, the FK8 was faster from a roll surprisingly.

@jankisty9704

8 ай бұрын

its the wheels.... 245 vs 265.. FL5 needs diff wheels for 1/4

I might be going crazy but I can actaully see the added momentum in the weight transfer through corners versus well a normal sportscar that SHOULD weigh under 3,400 lbs instead of 3,900.

9:32-10:09 This is where the lighter weight becomes a factor. You see, BMW "hid" its weight, by adding a lot of electronic aid into its drive. It might feel great around a corner, but you won't get all that is explained in this clip because it weighs so much.

Can’t believe it but we now live at a time where a 4 door Honda looks better than a BMW coupe

I'm so glad this video was made but imagine if they had used Shell V-Power®? The review would have greatly benefited from use of Shell V-Power® because of compression ratios and stuff. Amazing the power of these cars, especially when fueled with Shell V-Power®.

@3000FAst

4 ай бұрын

Send voucher code😂

@4Kandlez

3 ай бұрын

Shell V-Power you say, hmm

Type R, its more interesting, very chuckable and not engine centric. HP isn't much use unless you have somewhere to use it.

@oemj7147

7 ай бұрын

Not more interesting but more track ready. The BMW is by far the better car overall

Ive never really understood why people think more power equals more fun. Probably the most overrated statistic of a car. Lightweight and actual feedback through the car are far more important if you want something fun to drive. I have a Honda S2000 and can gaurentee its more fun than either because I feel like im in control entirely.

@yujie1973

7 ай бұрын

Not exactly, give you a 150 hp Civic sport, you will feel the pain. I own the 2023 M240i xdrive and just went to shop for a Civic sport. I tested driving the car and felt the car not even accelerating when I am pressing all the way down.

@lewisdawson8607

7 ай бұрын

@@yujie1973 Thats because it isnt lightweight

BMW should bring back the M235i coupe. Take the 302HP version of the company 4 banger in the M35i SUVs and put it in the 2 series coupe. That could actually be a cool and direct competitor to the CTR

That BMW is so dope . The Civic is cool but looks like an accord . The M2 is so fast and looks so good

@wumao8842

9 ай бұрын

The fake Toyota in your picture with the myriad of fake vents looks ugly as does the new M2. CTR looks like a touring car. Not sure which accord looks like a race car. Also, for your healths sake, please don't plug in an OBD monitor into the Supra. The number of error codes might give you a heart attack.

@sphinxore4499

8 ай бұрын

@@wumao8842 spoken like a true Honda fanboy that has no experience with the B58.

At least the civic doesn't look horrendous, and do you remember how all reviews slated the heavy Lexus rcf that also weighed 1700kg. So 1700kg is ok now that BMW say so.

@baoquoc3710

9 ай бұрын

The M2 shape is only "different" rather than "horrendous". Your perspective need a massive reevaluation.

@jdmguy44

9 ай бұрын

I think this new Civic Type R is actually a bl00dy good looking car. Not sure whats going in BMW's design dept. these days. Good looking BMW's appear to be a thing of the past.

@djgoldthing7166

9 ай бұрын

@@baoquoc3710 I know people like BMW design. Because BMW marketing tell them to.

@joshuawi99

9 ай бұрын

@@baoquoc3710 It´s ugly bruh

That m2 looks like its assembled with lego bricks

*Which car would you choose?*

With mark up is Honda more expensive?

It’s so funny when I tell people my car can perform as good if not better than a m2 and they look at me like I’m speaking Egyptian😂

If I was Acura I would hate articles like this.....the Civic type R (CTR) has been out for 5-6 years I believe and Acura just released the Integra Type S(ITS) in 2023 and the car that they claim to be better than the CTR in performance/daily driving is being compared against its lesser sibling and the Golf R. If your comparing the M2 with CTR and the ITS is supposed to be better, than the CTR, what are you comparing the ITS with?

@trentonhuntley9966

16 күн бұрын

They should’ve included SHAWD as an option and a DCT. 🤷🏿‍♂️

Adding a M performance short shift transforms the gear change on a BMW, well worth the addition to cure some of ther rubbery feel.

Would take the CTR. More of a good ol JDM heads car in a new twist. Everyone and their mom with money has an M car.

Excellent video, the presenter is also very good.

@CARmagazineTV

9 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed

Not really into front wheel drive sports cars. But the Honda is really cool. But paying over 75 grand for a 300 hp front wheel drive car. I will take the M2 all day long.

That S58 BMW engine is an absolute masterpiece. It’s the 21st century 2JZ

@Altesego1

9 ай бұрын

Will be not half as reliable though, at least longterm.

Ridiculous. The Type R is a razor sharp driving tool, and the BMW is a portly poser. No contest.

The video quality has jumped up on the last few videos, reminds me of the old Carfection

@CARmagazineTV

9 ай бұрын

Thank you!

On the road is where we can make this SEEM like it might be close.

The bmw m2s performance is better, but the Honda won’t drip oil and won’t need new vanos later.

M2 is like a wide body race car. And you can get one at MSRP. Honda will charge $10-20k dealer markup.

Great reviewer, top notch. In NZ the type R is half the price of an m2. Easy choice over here. The m2 ain't twice the car.

@ASJC27

9 ай бұрын

Same deal in Israel M2 is twice as much. Really glad I managed to grab a blue fl5.

@wumao8842

9 ай бұрын

Same in Australia. M2 is exactly double.

Test GRY from Toyota circuit pack?

Rica etsem altyazı seçeneklerine Türkçe dil seçeneği ekleyebilir misiniz ? Sizi anlamak ve takip etmek istiyorum !!!

you lost me at FWD! I do admire the attempt here tho. very interesting comparison even tho probably no one is going to be cross shopping these 2 cars.

Would happily save £15k and buy the Civic Type R.

The M2 is a class above in every way. Yes the Type R is a fine handling machine, but it's not a coupe, it's not RWD, and it's not got the same quality and luxury.

Bmw may give a bit more on performance being rear wheel drive or all wheel drive but the type r will last longer with the performance it has. Both cars at 300k the civic will still kick ass

Although most owners wouldn't do it I suspect a lightweight flywheel would transform that Civic into an absolute dream machine.

@BeanyB0b

9 ай бұрын

Rev hang happens because the ECU leaves the throttle partly open when you let off, not because of rotational inertia in the drivetrain.

@chrisginoc

9 ай бұрын

​@@BeanyB0bCorrect. Thanks to emissions "concerns". Technically a tune can help with rev hang.

Sure it can. Yes, I prefer RWD and the fun you can have with front engine RWD cars but the type R is just a very good drivers car, just different. Oh, and I wish any manual car would have the type R shifters.

Both Honda and BMW seem to be at the top of their game when it comes to making their version of what a performance car is in 2023 but I have a hard time believing prospective Type R and M2 owners are in the same camp, the driving experiences on offer just seem so vastly different. Makes for a good comparison though.

@downshiftpedal

9 ай бұрын

Thank you Best front will drive is a mile away from an average perfuming rear will drive. The Manual M2 is not even the one to go for. The automatic M2 is in another league

@jdmguy44

9 ай бұрын

​@@downshiftpedalYou can't beat a manual for involvement though and I applaud BMW for offering a manual M car. Cars like these two will very soon be consigned to the history books..

@fhowland

9 ай бұрын

BMWs are now more for brand conscious posers than real enthusiasts

@speeddemon311

5 ай бұрын

​@@fhowlandClown comment kid!😂

lol I haven't watched the video but .... How many sport cars are front wheel drive Ferrari? McLauren? Lamborghini?

Gone the days, now fuel economy all what it is, but still compared to other cars nowadays it’s a winner

Here in America the type r cost almost the same price sometimes more than the m2 crazy but for real.

@stavroshadjiyiannis6283

9 ай бұрын

Because it's so sought after and for good reason.

@yujie1973

7 ай бұрын

America is a better place to drive faster cars, so M2 wins. @@stavroshadjiyiannis6283

I would take M2 without a single doubt. G87 will be significantly faster on any track.

Civic as good as is were not suggesting that a potential M2 buyer is going to think "no i'll go for the Civic instead"?

Can't wait for BMW to make the M2 badge black. Game over in its class.

I’ve never seen a more divided comment section and fan base. This guy has legit sparked a war between fanboys💯❤️‍🔥⚡️⚡️⚡️

Would go for type r. It’s lighter and feels nimble. You can only overcome so much weight with hrspwrs

Type R

I will have your unusual alternative please it’s a lot better built..not to mention it wins hands down on looks next to the shoe box odd shape of the BMW with zero styling…

No wonder John Cena daily drives a Type R.

I take RWD all day long. There is a reason you don't see FWD in the top teirs of racing.

The Civic wins straight out of the gate on looks alone. BMW has battered the new M2 with an ugly stick somethin' fierce

In Australia, the M2 is almost 2x the cost of the Civic Type R. I know which one I am going for.

You'd end up paying the same for the Type R anyways. I'd prefer the Acura Type-S personally because I don't care for the red interior.

It's the difference between and track/drivers car or a rowdy street powerhouse of a car