I loved how she held her nerve in the negotiating not many could do that.

@ProMace

2 жыл бұрын

Yes that was brilliant. And I think James liked her style too.

@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307

Жыл бұрын

ITS JUST A FRIGGEN MOUSE! Hope they paid the owner of the car designs! ELSE THATS BIG TROUBLE!

@ICanCDeadPeople

Жыл бұрын

@Dan Quayles ITS SPELT POTATOE! bruh did you not listen to their pitch ?

@violentgravy01

8 ай бұрын

Lol he doubled his shares for 20 percent more cash. Trust me, he win that negotiation.

I'm a bit surprised Peter liked this. I guess the old Peter wanted to give the image he likes fancy fast cars. I could see the new Peter going " It's just a mouse!"

@johnsmithe4656

2 жыл бұрын

He looked so conflicted as he passed, just staring at the car-mouse, tumbling around in his hands... you could tell he really liked the product. But yeah, it is just a mouse. Nothing special.

@zackshannon834

2 жыл бұрын

Early tech days were wild. People actually invested in iPad stands back in the day.

@NashvilleTuneStream

2 жыл бұрын

Do a metal version with working lights. $150. The “CEO” version ego mouse.

@Mika-85

2 жыл бұрын

This is actually a very old episode

@martinwashington3152

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if he remembers GUI II :)

James was super clever here. Minimised his risk to barely anything and invested in two very competent people for his wider business.

@gaurasrspublishing

7 ай бұрын

Exactly, his offer amounted to buying £120K equity for £120K - but clearly all parties thought there was something in it for them so it worked. Always liked James in the Den, a real gentleman but also sharp businessman.

@Benjamin90s

5 ай бұрын

@@gaurasrspublishing You should take a look at what he tried doing to Sharon the owner of MagnaMole

Very polished pitch and they handled the questions excellently. If only everyone coming into the den had their act together like this couple.

@ChintanCG

2 жыл бұрын

Then it would not be as fun to watch ;)

@mufu725

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChintanCG I came to leave this exact comment. You beat me to it 👍

@thetruth1822

2 жыл бұрын

@Travel Crawl She isn't the only dragon who says that and secondly, she's actually the one who's the most straightforward and doesn't seek to beat people down before claiming that she's out in general whereas Peter, Duncan and Theo have a habit of doing exactly that which is unnecessary drama instead of just claiming you're out but because they are guys, it doesn't seem to bother you. She is the fairest and nicest dragon who advises people well whether she's interested in investing or not, she's also not as egocentric as many of the other dragons such as Hilary Delvey, Doug Richard and Rachel Elnaugh. Insulting people and calling them dumb is pretty dramatic to be honest "what you see in others that you don't like can lead to understanding of yourself" seems to very relevant in this particular case.

@hamill06

2 жыл бұрын

The show wouldnt be as good without the bad pitchers though! 😂

@Heatwave9000

2 жыл бұрын

Most people aren't there for and just come in for the free advertisement.

A rare gem of an episode, I found myself hoping everyone gets a good deal out of it based on how sincere and enlightened they all conducted themselves.

@jbp4216

2 жыл бұрын

So different than Shark Tank in that regard....

@mcfcguvnors

2 жыл бұрын

not watched whole pitch yet but surely that has a flaw if it only moved forward & back? gamers will hate it

@SirDragonClaw

Жыл бұрын

Too bad the product is terrible.

@music2872

Жыл бұрын

@@SirDragonClaw it really is a poor product. No IP what so ever

@sadas3190

Жыл бұрын

I mean there a lot of gem episodes, for altogether different reasons.

7:52 "probably the best quality mouse I've ever seen" Pretty sure it's also the first one he's ever seen.

@GothamClive

2 жыл бұрын

They cut his next question, in which he asked: "In which part of it do I speak to activate the computer?"

@johnsmithe4656

2 жыл бұрын

@@GothamClive Where did you see that part? On TV? Why are they cutting parts out of the show on KZread? I don't like that.

@khandadonb111

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnsmithe4656 think it was a joke

@johnsmithe4656

2 жыл бұрын

@@khandadonb111 ...... oh. :p

@neonwired4978

2 жыл бұрын

and then says that £30 is too expensive! for the best mouse ever?! and for a branded product! Porsche sell t-shirts for £40 ffs

The look on James’s face was priceless when the couple mentioned a 60, 40 equity split, 😂😂😂

@je9625

2 жыл бұрын

All businessmen are greedy.

@sirhenrysimmerson9385

2 жыл бұрын

@@je9625 well ye who doesn't love having more money?

@gghh-sw4vf

2 жыл бұрын

Loved his look, just SHREWD

@jeremiahbell6129

2 жыл бұрын

He wound up taking it just because of how persistent she was. She showed tact and firmness, which are very investable qualities.

@battlingphoenix3847

2 жыл бұрын

@@je9625 what a lefty liberal thing to say, also why you are broke, get some money lil n

Currently running a Logitech MX3 mouse. And most “executive” level people I know run a similar spec mouse. To buy this would be like going from a rolls Royce to a Toyota Corolla. And yes the car analogy was intentional.

@B_Bodziak

2 жыл бұрын

Your analogy is dependent upon when this was filmed.

@TheManInBlueFlames

2 жыл бұрын

Toyota is a chad

@liamh6197

2 жыл бұрын

@@B_Bodziak if this was filmed in the last 10 years the same comment still applies and you simply insert a premium/popular mouse model the time.

@stianberg5645

2 жыл бұрын

A Toyota Corolla, but with a hotweels paintjob. Getting a mouse like this instead of MX3 (I use it as well) is just childish.

@grantharris7741

2 жыл бұрын

Jeff Bezos drove a Honda Accord when he was worth 10 billion.

My ONLY disappointment with DD is they seldom show the post-pitch interview.

Pattie has really good closing skills. Excellent pitch!

Pattie took a gamble asking for 60/40 in the hope James would meet them half way. She already suspected he probably would from his "I'm not interested in control" comment. Very shrewd and ballsy. Very well presented.

you know theres an offer coming when James is the last dragon standing

Easily one of the best presentations and handling of questions ever on Dragon's Den. The product was very cool, but it is saturated with crappy cheap Chinese knock offs, even back when this pitch was made. The big problem that I don't think they even realised was how good the deal was for James Caan. He owns 40% of the company with only 24k at risk. Including a freehold property within the company that James now owns 40% means he is guaranteed that asset and a 96k stake in it. Basically he just invested 96k into a property and gave them 24k for the 40% share. If they had agreed on the 50/50 split, James would have been given 50% of the company for free, and he would have owned a 120k property investment!

@manz5435

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't understand the numbers u described but i liked it.

@i.canalista7718

2 жыл бұрын

This is why he is in the position he is in

@Falzeee

2 жыл бұрын

The company closed months after this what are you talking about?

@jakecooper5855

2 жыл бұрын

@@Falzeee Completely irrelevant

@sammylpt9076

2 жыл бұрын

@Jake Cooper where’s that £24k figure coming from? I thought he invested £120k for 40%?

I like the way she does the trickiest bit at the end and he keeps quiet. Well done Mrs.

Such an awesome duo, composed and well organised!

Peter remembered and was polite enough to say "pleasure to meet you" at the end! Peter is fantastic!

If you want to show off stuff on your desk, just buy a model car lol. I like spending money on a good quality peripherals, but I look for ergonomics, performance, features, accuracy. I don't have a care what it is shaped like lol. This mouse would be a pain to use for more than a few minutes.

@Right_Said_Brett

2 жыл бұрын

Correct. These novelty mice are just that; a novelty. There's a reason why a good quality mouse isn't shaped like a car or whatever else and that's because it's designed to feel comfortable in the user's hand for extended periods of time. All that these two have designed is an overpriced Christmas stocking present.

@MOJSTER99

2 жыл бұрын

Especially the mini coopers they have on their website

The best mouse I ever had, for work and for gaming was a stand that didn't move, so no desk space needed, your hand sat on it and it just had a ball that you moved wherever you wanted the pointer to go and the left and right click where either side and a blue light lit up when you moves the ball. Not sure I've explained it very well but it was brilliant. Can't seem to buy them now, but I couldn't understand why the idea never caught on, it was amazingly designed.

@byteme9718

Жыл бұрын

Trackball. Still used across industry.

@xEvilNeverDiesx

Жыл бұрын

@@byteme9718 noway, I never knew they was called that, yeh the Kensington trackball is what I had. It was awesome, can't understand why anyone would use the normal mouse over that because it just doesn't need desks space and I think it was more accurate. Thanks for that, I'll order one now.

@elobiretv

11 ай бұрын

You still see them being used sometimes on tills and stuff like that, probably because it doesn't require much space. Couldn't imagine using one for gaming though

@xEvilNeverDiesx

11 ай бұрын

@@elobiretv honestly I used one to play "team fortress" that cane with the "orange box." The trackball was amazing for accuracy and whatever. It was so much better than a standard mouse. I owned with it, never had a minus k/d. But maybe it just suited me and might not suit everyone. But accuracy with that track ball was so much better in my opinion.

@cristibaluta

5 ай бұрын

It's called a touchpad, but not sure it works with windows

12:26 Duncan smiles due to her ability to stand firm on the counter offer 👏 😅

Woooow. Negotiating like absolute bosses. Well done

@LiberateYou

2 жыл бұрын

I said the same!

@SWUploads971

2 жыл бұрын

James could easily of got 45% if he stuck at it

@dontdex8221

2 жыл бұрын

Dont you have unvaxd citizens to hogtie?

@Technicallyimright

2 жыл бұрын

He’s a better negotiator than Scotty from marketing.

@johnsmithe4656

2 жыл бұрын

@@SWUploads971 Nah, 60/40 was the take it or leave it offer. They weren't going to change it, James could tell.

🤣in 2010 i was salesman in small computer shop chain on Tottenham ct.rd. and we had them on display - i don't remember ANY1 (me, nor colleagues) selling any of them! they did attract attention, but were not cheap enough. Logitech had mice from £20, also with same, usb-nano rf receivers.

I love these 2, very professional and grounded 👏

@ghs7714

2 жыл бұрын

me too. id love to have hot fun with them

They gave a great pitch. Answered everything well & showed knowledge with the business and the market. I think the product is a great idea! Cool & interesting. It appeals to a very wide demographic

@SuperNuclearUnicorn

2 жыл бұрын

How often do you see people with mice like that? They aren't particularly ergonomic and with the range available these days it's not particularly unique either

@finnhalf1663

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperNuclearUnicorn it looks uncomfortable I wouldn’t game with it deffo

@ralynedin

2 жыл бұрын

@@finnhalf1663 If I remember correctly, wired versions of car mice existed way before this. There was even a burger mouse.

@Jamie_Winsh

2 жыл бұрын

@@JM-tj5qm agree to disagree

@cristibaluta

5 ай бұрын

They didn't had a product though, the website sells real cars now

A pitch from 2009. Really great confident pitch and impressive couple , would have been successful doing whatever they did later on i assume. Wish them success and happiness!

@mcfcguvnors

2 жыл бұрын

with a mouse that cant move sideways - i doubt it

@Gematrinator

Жыл бұрын

@@mcfcguvnors abhahah

These mouses look like those cheap one which you can order from china

@davidscottblacksmith

2 жыл бұрын

This is from about 10 years ago when buying straight from china wasn’t a thing.

@Whigu

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidscottblacksmith If you haven't don't think that other people have. Ordering cheap crap from China has been things at least since 2008

@FateBoost

2 жыл бұрын

@@Whigu Basically everything you can think of has been made in China at some point. A lot of these businesses when they succeed will outsource to China. What matters is marketing and quality, not originality.

@Whigu

2 жыл бұрын

@@FateBoost Yep. I was just going to answer DS that where did he thinks that the stuff comes from what he has bought from store 10 years ago... It's pretty much same China crap with little extra costs because stores want to get money too.

@Darknesssleeps

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidscottblacksmith are you dense? Buying straight from China has always been a thing

Tbh, this was 13 mins of weirdness. The product was weird, the responses were weirdly positive. And the final deal was also....weird

@acanofspam4347

2 жыл бұрын

Agree

I requested this 1, thank you!

Pure perfection of a pitch...

James didn’t invest in the mouse, he invested in the people.

What a polished way to close the deal. Impressive lady.

Duncan with his usual “I’m oat!”

@raybrown4845

Жыл бұрын

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

now THIS is a pitch. This was BEAUTIFUL. I want to invest all my 10 bucks in my wallet for 0% equity!

Amazing pitch well done!

You can see that the owners are indeed professionals in the way the handled themselves. I consider this an example of how to make a Dragons Den pitch. Atleast in the way of making the dragons empathetic

When I was about 15 I had a BMW i8 - shaped mouse. I thought it was supper cool. Until I started using a computer for work and used the mouse for 8h+ a day. Ergonomic mouse only, screw those weird shaped ones...

@tumbleweed4026

5 ай бұрын

Were you hungry when you wrote this comment btw?

I'm impressed with their bargaining skills!

James is by far the best dragon ever to have featured on this show !

@ritadonnelly8820

2 жыл бұрын

No he is not he cheated that other out of her business and she had a break down and ended up in hospital for 4 weeks snake

@jajabinx35

Жыл бұрын

@@ritadonnelly8820 source or link?

@soulreaperichig0

Жыл бұрын

He also tried to purchase a baby girl from distraught earthquake hit victims of pakistan for a lowly sum of 1000 pounds

@CentaurMoe

6 ай бұрын

@@soulreaperichig0 Not even £1,000. £750.

Great work

that mouse is missing one thing.... a flow signal

Well deserved great product look forward to seeing them in retail outlets congrats

Who wants a really good mouse that looks like something as specific as a car? The chance of somebody wanting both is incredibly rare. This is the most ridiculous product to think you can build a business on.

@SpyroTek

2 жыл бұрын

Well they did and are selling.

@vids2002

2 жыл бұрын

@@SpyroTek Link?

@ToothlessDragon536

2 жыл бұрын

This was about 10-15 years ago when there was much less products and fancy stuff available for PC tech so it could have initially gone ok. They would only have survived later on if they diversified their product range. Regardless iv never seen these in shops.

@ultorrotluultorrotlu

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I can't believe they got an investment.

@bobbyv369

2 жыл бұрын

Well there’s nothing wrong with having a niche market but you’ll need to dominate it to make serious money. Even so, I can imagine car enthusiasts might wanting this. However, I do agree that this won’t take over the world.

Was I the only one shouting at their screen “no don’t do the deal with him “ 😭😂🥺

@Ellie80681

2 жыл бұрын

This was ridiculous

This is a ridiculous offer. He was offering market value for the house and expecting the product, IP, branding and experience for free. Not only that, but he wanted them to work on his other products too.

@TheManInBlueFlames

2 жыл бұрын

They had already got a deal with a supercar dealer.

@thunderb00m

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, James caan seems to have quite a lot of skeletons in his closet. Shadiest of all the dragons AFAIK

@ianlister7333

2 жыл бұрын

it was a very interesting offer, I think it was a case of buying into anything the guy makes, but with the house in the over all company, he managed to remove ALOT of risk from that deal. One I suspect was not fully understood at the time.

@thetroyzernator

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianlister7333 There's zero risk for Caan. They would have been insane to take the offer. They could have just sold the house, had the money and still had full control of their company and not have to work for someone else for free.

@Dieterbe

2 жыл бұрын

I mean James made it clear he had no intention of helping them with their business whatsoever. So he brings nothing to the table. He wants the couple to work on his businesses. The couple should've gotten equity in James' businesses lol. This deal doesn't make sense. Perhaps key things were left out during editing.

Theo's smug expression at 7:56 tickled me just right lol.

@jeanettw2341

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my god thank you for pointing that out, just went back and saw it..

It's funny to see old products like that on Dragon's Den from ages ago.

Love the composure

I remember being a 20 something aspirational person who needed an executive motor-mouse gadget to get recognised at work.

Great pitch and outcome.

Every Dragon has a mind of their own

I love James, he's always nice/respectful and often finds acway to make itcwork where tge other Dragons couldn't, this is a great example; wasn't sold on the product's market but found a way to make the couple worth investing in.

James is a class act. Love him.

When it walks like a duck. Looks like a novelty mouse, the specs of a novelty mouse. It is a novelty mouse.

@austinjones3054

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Freddy! Loved your games as a kid! XD

@Jarblyy

2 жыл бұрын

Oh god I forgot about Freddy Fish I love it

They got the dragon they deserved.. professional and well mannered.

I'm addicted to the post pitch catwalk transition music

Fantastic

That's awesome they got Italian super car manufacturer, Ford, in a licensing agreement. Can't wait to see those Mustang mice

@Jester-Riddle

2 жыл бұрын

Don't Fiat own Bugatti ... ? So, Fiat mice then ...

The best Harry Enfield/Paul Whitehouse impressions yet! Well observed and so realistic. Hilarious! Almost like watching the real show!

This dude look's like he's outta peaky blinders

WOOO best couple on dragons den ever so good

I can listen to her voice all day.

What a turnaround for the couple

Love this

These are business people. Very smart deal. Can sell it later on and move onto other ventures.

Excellent negotiation

I've been waiting for an episode like this one. Every time I watch one of these I'm always thinking about James Bond and Q. 😂👏👏👏

I like this lady's voice and the accent, anyone from any part of this world can understand her, nice and clear

One of the best pitch I've ever seen 👏 🙌🏾 👌

It's too small to be ergonomic, would the tires prevent it from moving sideways?

@ccggenius

2 жыл бұрын

looking at the images on their site, the tires appear to be lifted a bit by the body of the mouse, so no issues except maybe when you're picking it up and holding it at an angle, but that's a mouse settings issue, not a mouse issue.

@austinh1028

2 жыл бұрын

I thought that, but they could always just produce various sizes (there are basically three mouse sizes that make up probably 90% of mice, the rest being full-ergonomic specialty mice like trackball/joystick etc)

@SakkePie

2 жыл бұрын

It's got a steering wheel

@kyleecats2255

2 жыл бұрын

That was my question from the start, but they never showed it's mobility in this show, I'm disappointed.

Very nice idea

Where are they now? The company's website was last updated in 2015 and no social media posts since 2016. Company House shows the company was dissolved.

@taranullius9221

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ron. Appreciate the Company House addition.

@tomgreen8706

2 жыл бұрын

They said in 2015 in an interview they sold the company as David had a new idea

@IrinaS

2 жыл бұрын

You're absolutelly right that the company's activities is the most important factor. What would you do if you were a dragon?

This is surely the best episode. This was great.

James is my fave, so classy

James is like a proper Bond villain.

You guys should try getting clips from the newest season of Dragons Den on here. Steven Bartlett has arrived!

@taranullius9221

2 жыл бұрын

They just did.

@TheManInBlueFlames

2 жыл бұрын

;They'

Great stuff, I love Khan's demeanor and negotiating. He's a really cool dragon

"So, could we move it to 60 - 40, James?" - brilliant

Q and the Patti were very polished and investable

@neonwired4978

2 жыл бұрын

product is garbage though

What a class act. So well spoken, so professional. So British 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

2 car salespeople. Brilliant pitch and product

Where were the 'Raptures'?

@anubusx

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully it will be this year.

This is a step backwards. Imagine if all mice were like this and someone came into dragons den with a normal one and said they will not run out of power, not get lost and are much cheaper to make. That would be a good investment.

@Right_Said_Brett

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mentioned that they would actually feel comfortable to use for extended periods of time, unlike a mouse shaped like a friggin' sports car!

An old pitch! Now available in your local pound shop 👏

This does looks like a novelty item or something they would give out for free in Swag Bags at a tech convention in like the 2000s. I payed good money for an ergonomic mouse that is great for gaming and work.

I prefer a mouse that's shaped like the inside of my hand, not a car.

I remember when I owned a car with a spare tire on the bonnet

Seems like a cool investment arround the late 80s.

I would be very surprised if these guys are still around lmao.

3:11 Theo, casually shopping for boats: "I've seen it in the catalogues"

If they had left this a few years, a joint deal with Peter and Touker would be good.

That was a great move

Patty presentation and negotiation skill are excellent.can anyone make me understand how this product performing now.

12:25 Duncan approves 🤣

great pitch, no showmanship, no self promotion. just the fundamentals..

@MaxLennon

2 жыл бұрын

No self promotion? What? That's the whole point of the show, maybe you misspoke.

Can't believe a wireless mouse doesn't have a rechargeable battery....

Hang on, so James owns half of their house and they do marketing work for him for free?

She has good negotiation skills.

I use a 80 quid mouse and a 100 quid mechanical key board (I'm not rich) so there is a market for high quality computer accessories. For those of us who work in front of a PC hours after hours, it's a fair investment.

Rubber tires? Wouldn’t this resist left and right movement? I like a mouse to be as slidey as possible - in all directions.

@DissonantSynth

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing. The mouse is ugly and doesn't even work smoothly!

@EarthUPC

2 жыл бұрын

The wheels are probably elevated

@JJ-em4iq

2 жыл бұрын

It’s‘executive’ level, so it wouldn’t need to slide around.

@ch4z_bucks

2 жыл бұрын

@@JJ-em4iq it would still be uncomfortable to move around, no one whether you're a gamer or working in an office likes the feeling of a mouse dragging against the surface they're on.

@JamilKhan-hk1wl

2 жыл бұрын

Im pretty sure its raised and you cant use it like a toy car

I wonder how much business people will lose when their clients see them navigating the computer with a toy car. “So.. want to do business? Vrooooooom”

The best part about this show is it teaches me British vocabulary like "raptures"