I'm just jumping in here real quick to address a question or critique I'm seeing a few of you make about our use of the Klipsch Cornwall IV speakers in this review. I fully understand that it is unlikely that anyone in their right mind would willingly go out and pair a $300 streaming amp with roughly $6,000 speakers. Still, you need to separate price from performance in this instance to understand the why. For starters, we used a few more pairs of speakers than the three mentioned in this video, as we've had the WiiM for months now. The Cornwall IVs were actually the LAST speaker I used with the amp, and I only used them because I was routinely running into power and dynamic issues with the WiiM. I used the Cornwalls because they are the most efficient loudspeakers I own. They can be successfully driven to peaks above 90-95dB in our listening room using a 2 WPC Decware SET amp without a hint of strain, yet the WiiM and its reported 60 WPC struggled to crest 80dB in some cases. If I did manage to get peaks in the upper 80s the amp often shut down soon after hitting such volumes. If the WiiM struggles with a speaker like the Cornwall, you can imagine how much more difficult it was for the Q Acoustics Concept 50 (90.5dB at 4 Ohms) or the KLH Kendall 2F (96dB at 8 Ohms). In this instance, the price or quality of the speaker is irrelevant; the WiiM's dynamic capability is the problem you should be focused on. While numerous tests show the WiiM can produce 60 WPC, it would appear that when forced to playback non-test signals, the resulting power or potential headroom of the Amp is a different story. This is something I've noticed with a number of these cheaper TI-based chip amps. I get that it's not a popular opinion to go against the grain and say that while these amps may be a "value" in one or two ways, they are NOT --I repeat, NOT --outright giant killers regarding amplifier and sound quality. Feature-wise, the WiiM, and others are an absolute embarrassment of riches, but software is not the same as hardware. The truth is these are built around amp chips that were never (really) designed for the type of work they're being forced to do. Can these TI amps sound good? Sure, but I believe it is misleading to say they're as good, in the same ballpark, or even better than even a modest Class D, AB or A amp --nevermind amplifiers that cost thousands more and that have had to hold up to scrutiny beyond a couple of forums and weekend measurement warriors. I am not trying to hate WiiM; like I say in the video, I'm trying to give you the clearest picture of what to expect. As I said in the review, if you adhere to a few general rules (which are stated in the video), you stand to have the best chance for success. But if you try and go toe-to-toe with a better, more capable amp with the wrong speakers or source, you may be in for a rude awakening in more ways than one.

@ianstorm45

5 ай бұрын

Your job is always well done because it prepares potential buyers with what to expect. As for me” I wasn’t expecting much from it based on the price, and from what I have learned from your channel” I decided that for my small listening space couple with a subwoofer takeover the heavy lifting” it should be just fine and It is. My only thing now is even though It has a built in DAC plus EQ/ PEQ there is no good stereo separation and spaciousness. So I am going to see if I can get a use B&W or ML bookshelves speakers to see if I can squeeze some more life out of it 🥸

@davidristic3800

5 ай бұрын

I don't care what you a pairing them with....you could be reviewing broccoli but as long as you show me those Cornwall's, I am a happy man.

@jp93309

5 ай бұрын

Andrew sounds apologetic and he really shouldn’t be. He stated in the video why the Cornwalls made more technical sense than others in their review stack of speakers to use for the Wiim Amp review. Getting on their case about that decision and the disappointing results helps frame that budget product better in its strengths and weaknesses. I’m now better informed about the Amp and have a clearer outlook for its best use case which is appropriately nearfield or small room with lower volume setting. Don’t expect 11 when you should be dialing in 7.

@danab7472

5 ай бұрын

That makes sense to me. A super sensitive speaker is just the ticket to test an amplifier’s dynamic capabilities without involving excessive power needs. If you’re not going to use Klipsch then whose?

@zoomer1zoomer

5 ай бұрын

Could you a bad unit? If it's as bad as you say I would expect this in other reviews. 80 db is not that loud.

This is NOT the review I expected - The first review I've heard that didn't just "praise" this amp. I own 3 Wiim mini's, and love them. Great products with ever improving updates. I'm sure this company will go a long way. That said, Thank you for your assessment and honest opinion on this piece. I don't own one and it isn't really on my radar, but it's nice to hear a different opinion for once.

Bought the WiiM Amp after Christmas and using it for over a month in a 'smaller' livingroom in a 2.1 setup. First tested it with Mission LX-2 speakers and then with the Wharfedale EVO 4.2 in combination with a SVS SB-1000 Sub. Because of the neighbours, I never could turn the volume up a 100%. For the average Joe (like me) the WiiM Amp is more then sufficient and gives you a great bang for the buck. You're right that the WiiM Amp is not the right choice for a 'big' room or 'big' speakers, but that is not what it pretend to be. I would like to give one suggestion, try to test the speakers with and without a subwoofer and give us a report about the difference it makes in performance. PS. Sorry for my Englisch, it's only my 3e langues and I don't use it everyday. Thank you for your effort!

@andrewrobinsonreviews

5 ай бұрын

Adding or subtracting a subwoofer, at least in our room, didn't solve or completely do away with the WiiM's apparent power/dynamic limitations when playing back at volumes of about 60-70dB + in room.

@hermaneisinger802

5 ай бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews Thanks for your reaction. Because I've to rely on my hearing and have no professional equipment to support my 'feeling', it felt like the addition of the sub, took away some 'pressure' from the speakers and made the total sound picture better. But that is probably my wishful thinking. Thank you again.

Andrew and Kristi. I'm late to the party with my comments. However, I'm glad that i waited. It gave me time read through the viewer comments. So, I'd like to thank you for providing an objective review of this device, highlighting the good and the bad; best use cases and worst use cases. I also appreciate the fact that you used super sensitive speakers to test the amplifier, since they are so efficient. You essentially gave the amplifier the best opportunity to shine by using super sensitive speakers. I think it's important to listen, first to the entire review to get the facts and the full picture, and then ask follow-up questions. 😉

Thanks Andrew and Kristi, the Wiim Amp really is a gateway product to Hi fi and for the price and right setting it’s a direct punch to Sonos and Bluesound. The streamers are still the best value proposition in audio. In Australia, audio equipment and the hobby generally is expensive, and everyone is always looking out of the latest, greatest, slick looking device, wiim does fit the bill for masses. Looking at yours and your colleagues reviews, from what I’ve seen Wiim does seem to pay attention to reviews so good chance they will refine this.

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@Nagarjunapathuri

5 ай бұрын

Hi Andrew, i should say i was really waiting for review on this. I would request you to do a video on KEF T205 5.0 speaker system. Which would help i vesting on that system for people who are picky on the interiod design for living room setup. Thanks in advance.

@teachonlywhatiseasy

5 ай бұрын

the integrated power supply is weak i suppose as 32v should do 60w but a large room like yours needs a bigger amp. Id like to see more cheaper amps like fosi audio V3 with a 48v power supply. emotiva basx series looks promising for a home theatre

@teachonlywhatiseasy

5 ай бұрын

Topping LA90 discrete also id recommend for a review

This is the best review of this product I've heard yet. We'll done Mr. Robertson

IS IT JUST ME OR IS THE HDMI-ARC PORT SO CROOKED TILTED TO THE LEFT AND NOT AT SEA LEVEL?

This was a really great review. It’s refreshing to see a reviewer cover all aspects of the product and not just the positives. Did anyone else notice the hdmi input being cockeyed, definitely speaks to quality.

@craigdeeter8042

5 ай бұрын

Yeah the HDMI port is crooked for sure. Stuck out to me right away.

@caseyaustin84

5 ай бұрын

I immediately noticed that as well.

The input gain on most of the 3255 amps isn’t very high. Some of them have 48V 5A power supply option(like the Fosi V3, Ayima A07 and Max and the new Fosi za3) This makes them way more capable with dynamics but definitely doesn’t solve the signal gain issue. The solution is to boost the input voltage and use the high current/voltage power supply. The problem with that is that you don’t get the awesome dsp and hdmi features of the Wiim(which has an anemic power supply inside) The way I like to use TPA3255 amps is to use them to directly drive an individual driver with a dsp acting as crossover. Using a 4ohm driver and 48v power supply on every amp except the tweeter, you can get some pretty impressive volume levels and dynamic range. Let’s face it though, that’s way too complicated for most people. If you want to try TPA3255 for cheap, I’d recommend getting the Ayima A07 max with the 48v power supply. It has the highest input gain and can be converted to mono if you want to upgrade later by getting a second one. The ZA3 has a mono subwoofer out which actually tracks with the volume pot but it doesn’t filter the main channels so I don’t find that to be very useful. The most impressive thing actually about these tpa3255 amps is actually the 48v 5A power supply that fosi and Ayima are using. That thing is amazingly clean as a power supply and it costs $50 is which is pretty impressive considering how it measures (especially the fosi unit which Works on all of the 3255 amps). I would like to see Andrew revisit the 3255 amps with the 48v 5A supply, he might be surprised. In a previous video he mentioned that he didn’t like the idea of someone having to pay extra for that but you can buy these with that power supply from the start and it’s pretty affordable. The 3255 really does need that voltage and current to pull off good dynamics. That being said, there are way better amps out there, these are just fun to play with especially if you need 6 channels of amplification for a 3 or 4way pair of speakers running active. I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone else doing this with these amps.

I’m buying the WiiM for its lightweight & portability, not as a focal point for a critical listening setup. It will be in my back patio or my garage powering an old pair of Klipsch R-51Ms or Energy micros w/sub when enjoying the outdoors or working on my car or bikes. So the WiiM amp really is the perfect solution for my use case. I also really love the clean Applesque design of the WiiM.

Thank you for this review. Based on other reviews I also ordered this amp. I wanted to use it on my desk to get rid of the cables. After some hours of listening I came to the same conclusion. It sounds OK but I was missing details in almost all kinds of music. I quickly cross checked with my almost 20 year old TEAC CR-H225 receiver with a WIIM mini and a Kadas 100$ DAC. This is the setup I was using so far. It sounded definitely better in almost every way - and I do not have 5000$ speakers on my desk. So I sent the WIIM amp back and will stick to my good old TEAC. Last year I also tried the Aiyima A07 MAX (also with a TI chip) with the same disappointing result.

I’ve chased the chi-fi craze. Mostly disappointed. Thin. Lean. Soulless. Wiim has it together on the streamer/app gig. They’ve won that battle, to me. I’m always going back to class AB or the hard to find, and hot, class A. Also, the AKM chips are crazy good. 4491 with 4499ex. That’s just perfection. But, for those on a tighter budget, happy listening and enjoy!

I got the amp back in November 2023 and I am using as a 2.1, a pair of 5inc bookshelf speakers and 8inch powered subwoofer and it’s sound very loud and great, I think this is the best way to use this amp by handing off the heavy lifting to a powered subwoofer 🎉😊

Chip based amps have changed the audio landscape, there are some good ones out there. I’ll still take a class ab 100% call me old school (or just old.) Thanks for the honest review.

I think it would be a better mactch with a pair of bookshelf speakers and a sub if necessary. Wish to hear how it sounds when pairing with some quality bookshelf spearkers from martin logan, polk, etc.

Just bought this to pair with my Dali Zensor 1 for my near field desk setup. First impressions are it's bloody brilliant.

A very balanced review, many other reviews raved how this is a giant killer. These small affordable amps have a proper use case scenario. Appreciate the fact you show it wont work in most larger rooms and is primarily a near field solution.

This is the type of review that sets this channel apart from the pack of "BEST HIFI VALUE AMP" hype machine. Thank you both! I think it was a very fair review considering you tested it with and without a sub, and with and without highly efficient speakers. Unfortunate to see the amplifier section is not quite there yet. I pre-ordered mine from Crutchfield 3 months ago (thank you Lord for a generous return policy in cases like this) but it still hasn't arrived yet. They are supposedly working out software issues. But for myself, its for a small 10x12 secondary room. Hoping it'll have enough headroom in a small room like that but we will see once it arrives. Thanks again for this review!

I've had my WiiM Amp since early Jan hooked up with my secondary TV/Listening area to a set of KEF q350s. It performs great in the smaller room and the integration features that makes the second area sooo much easier to setup. I would never use this in my primary listening area but, for a smaller system its perfect. Happy Listening folks!

@emidacol

5 ай бұрын

I would also like to use it with the Q350, is it a good match?

Excited for your video on the LSX II LT's ! And thanks for looking at the WiiM, it's something that would fit in my bedroom.

Another great video Andrew! Always excited to hear your opinion. Although, I’m a big Schitt fan, currently. I’ve bought almost all of their products. And I’m having fun. But, I’ve got an itch to find a new audio relationship….maybe Hegel…audiolab?

Wow! This was a very good review with excellent, and I think, VERY honest input! I'm not an audiophile but I can hear well enough, even at 62, whether somethings sounds good or sounds muted. It has always been a pet peeve of mine when somethings you spend your money on sounds muted, or maybe it sounds open and airy, but nothing at the bottom end. I'm a country bumpkin so I'm not going to use a bunch of fancy words. I purchased the Wiim Amp a couple weeks ago and paired it with some really simple Polk XT20 speakers. This is installed in my 15x15 (inside walls) woodshop. The speakers are mounted high and tilted downwards and toed in. But even with this, it really seemed to be lacking in the lower end. Also, and this one I am trying to understand, there is a really high pitched sound (I feel it more than hear it) that is almost painful after several minutes if I up the volume around 1/3 or more. I have messed with the EQ but it doesn't go away. I went to the Wiim Amp Forum and talked about the low end and bass and lack of "oomph", and though everyone was polite, I thought I had crossed a line and could tell that these folks love the Wiim and if I had any complaints, it's all my issues and not the Wiim's. Your review matches what I'm hearing exactly! And no, I don't crank it up that much because I want the neighbors to like me. ;-) Again, please let me say that your review convinces me of what I've been experiencing isn't just me and my environment. Something is "missing" in this amp and I can hear that. I really want to move towards Bluesound, not only because of their performance, but also because of the BluOS app. I think Wiim did a great job on the app, but it is also lacking (and buggy) in many ways. It's just not there "yet". I'm one of those older folks that is willing to spend a little more to get something a little better. The Wiim Amp is perfect in many ways for many folks, but I want a little more. You did a good job!! Thank you!

Watching this while listening through my new WiiM amp. Thanks for sharing the good/bad. It’s not being used in my critical listening setup or where high volume is needed. So far I’m happy with the product.

@KristiWright

5 ай бұрын

:) Thank you for watching.

@gage4375

5 ай бұрын

@@KristiWright 😊

I have been waiting to hear your take on this product launch. Direct and candid- appreciate that Andrew and Kristi.I am a Wiim owner and supporter but will wait for this product to evolve before buying. Was hoping it might handle a somewhat larger room- thank you for clarifying.

The issue with these TPA3255 based amps is their power rating is linear with the voltage (at lower volumes) or the current (at higher volumes) coming from the power supply. It sounds like the DC voltage of the WiiM Amp is plenty (32V) but the current might be limited to < 5 A. Thanks for testing it with the Cornwalls, it really shows the limit of this affordable amp.

Thanks for another great review! Literally had the WiiM in my Amazon cart based on other reviews. Not anymore. Have built my system around your reviews. The search continues for a reasonably priced streaming amp with HDMI.

Good review. I found that this amp is a wonderful desktop solution for my wife's office/bedroom tv. I didn't hear any distortion at all and played them on harder to drive speakers.

Love the honesty here. Nobody can argue with the features offered here, but man, if there was just an option to use this as a preamp to pair with some of the other great, inexpensive amps that are around these days, it'd be a formidable setup.

@Woofy-tm8si

5 ай бұрын

Good Lord! Can you imagine the disruption a Wiim Preamp Streamer with the same feature set (especially with the same subwoofer out) would have on the budget hifi section of the market? Especially when considering budget audio fans can pretty much kit build power amps using ICEPower AS-series amp modules (the ones with integrated power supplies) with nothing but a screwdriver and a couple hours of time?

I paired the WiiM amp with the leaf b6.2 and sound really nice. It replaces my older svs sound base. I will say in my opinion this sounds so much better than the sound base for half the price but I know it’s newer. Plus the WiiM interface is top tier.

Thanks for the video drop!!! Will definitely listen to in my drive in to work in the A.M. or maybe later today. At any rate, looking forward to it!

@andrewrobinsonreviews

5 ай бұрын

Let us know what you think once you get a chance to watch!

@patbeesley6616

5 ай бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews Absolutely!

@patbeesley6616

5 ай бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews I really enjoyed ya’lls take on the Wiim amp. Although I’ve not listened to it, I do feel like I can relate to a few of your experience descriptions when it comes to some of the more affordable class D amplifier products I’ve owned over the past few years. I haven’t experienced any shut off, but have experienced two that just stopped getting louder well before the volume knob got close to full tilt. One class d amp even had what sounded like frequency dependent volume level differences when pushed to 75% volume. They were all a little too cool and 2 dimensional for my taste and it seams that although the Wiim amp may be a step up, it doesn’t sound like it’s far enough away from the affordable class D amp characteristics I’ve experienced thus far (sound unheard of course). I’m not actually in the market though (picked up the rn-1000a late last year-the sweet spot!), just really enjoy this hobby and hearing about others’ experiences with other products. You just never know when someone runs across a unicorn :-). As always, great video to both of ya’ll!

Finally, some light being shed on what I have experienced with the Wiim amp. It's always the case - the hype train always glosses over the whole truth with regard to what really lies behind the facade.

@Panslapper

5 ай бұрын

Appreciate the frank review. 👍 I do think we all need to keep an eye on the devices that the WiiM Amp will inspire. We’re likely only months away until someone packs the equivalent of a WiiM Mini, SMSL SU-1, and Fosi Audio ZA3 into a single chassis. Add dual sub outs with room correction, and I’ll be opening my wallet for sure.

I'm inclined to agree with your findings. I have two setups - a near-field one at my workstation and a living room setup. While I thoroughly enjoy the Class D amps in my near-field setup - they fail to deliver to the level of even basic Class A/B amps from Denon/Marantz when I move them to the living room

Good review. I see this as a soundbar replacement. Or small room, near field listening say an office or desktop. I’m not much into Class-D amplification so I went to the Schitt J-horn with their Modi DAC for my office. It sounds great. But, it wouldn’t replace my Cambridge Audio CX series stack. Not even close. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for an honest review Andrew and not a 'this blows so and so out the water ' one, why you and Kristi are the ones to trust.

Thank you for adding some perspective to the many cheap amps that are hitting the market. The attention grabbing headlines of many reviewers are things like: "game changer, giant killer, market disrupter, audiophile quality" etc. It makes me sometimes wonder if I can really put together a streamer, amp, and dac for $300 to $500 as my foundation and call it a day. When I put my own system together I followed many of your suggestions and invested in a quality amp, dac/ preamp, and speakers. It sounds so quiet, clean, and neutral (at any volume) that the only thing I look forward to purchasing periodically are better or different styles of speakers. I think if your foundation is good, upgrading your speakers will bring the most sonic improvements one can make. The dac and amp upgrades aren't nearly as important. Now I'm talking about having spent $1-2k on a well respected amp and the same for the dac/preamp. Perhaps in today's world of advancement (sometimes) that might even be a tad high. I did buy a Wiim streamer starting with a mini and upgrading to a pro for better computing power. Even though I bypass the Wiim dac, the mini does affect the quality of the sound. It's only apparent in a moderately revealing system, but it's definitely there. So even though I concede some budget items can fit into a real audiophile system, there is a jumping on point that one should consider which I think speaks to your video. $300 isn't much in the audiophile world, but it's a lot to some folks. I've been there. How frustrating would it be to spend your hard earned money only to hear it thin out and distort when you crank it up? Manufacturers and even at times, complicit reviewers know darn well that it's gonna fall apart in real world use. Yet they justify their over endorsement by saying to themselves "Well hey it's only $300. What do people expect?" They expect you to tell them the whole truth about the product with realistic expectation. Based on misleading reviews, purchasers are expecting sonic nirvana. Thanks for the video Andrew!

@thk4711

4 ай бұрын

I think almost every half decent 20 - 40 year old amp or receiver will outperform this amp. Now add just a streamer like the WIIM mini and a 100$ DAC and you have the same features but much better sound.

Happy Sunday, good people! Glad you gave this a good honest look; even an old-school hobbyist like me can see that this form factor and feature set is the future of HiFi (for some folks, at least). Two up-market alternatives that we like: the NAD 3045 and the Elac EA101EQ-G. Both are feature rich streaming amps with room correction. The Elac doesn’t have HDMI, so it’s less versatile in a home theatre application, but I prefer its build quality to the NAD. Both products are fun and sound great, and that’s what matters to us!

Thx for your honest review and lowering too high expectations. At this price its actually great for smaller rooms I think, I am very happy with my Wiim pro+ as a streamer which is just a bit cheaper. But I still prefer having dedicated parts for more flexibility in my chain and trying out / upgrading from time to time. But not everybody cares about that and dont want to spend much money.

Is that HDMI port… crooked?

@TimLemonn

5 ай бұрын

The whole back panel looks poorly machined even at this price point

@kaischmidt730

5 ай бұрын

Savage. That ruined it right from the start 😂

@MrTesh47

5 ай бұрын

Yes

@offtom

5 ай бұрын

It looks so cheap

@danab7472

5 ай бұрын

Sure looks like it

I have a WiiM Pro Plus, not the amp, and I love it. Great software, easy to use, works with everything. I have it hooked up to a Cambridge Audio AXA35 and KEF Q350 speakers. Can't comment on the amp but WiiM makes a good streaming product.

I appreciate that you dare to stay honest and critical. And it seems logical to me that a budget product with that much connections and possibilities inevitably has some drawbacks. Great review. Thanks.

I appreciate the honest, thorough review. Frankly I am not the least bit surprised to hear it performed as it did.

Hi Andrew and Kristi, I can see why many of your viewers might think your snobbish or elitist, but having been an "audiophile" all my life, you typically get what you pay for and it's good to know each product's pros and cons. The pro in this case is the value. Thanks for your honest reviews. Oh! I bought the Fosi amp and it performs better than a $100 dollar amp should, but it's no where an amazing experience.

@mohamedahmed1023

5 ай бұрын

I don't see why they would be viewed as snobs.

I've bought an Octavio Amp about a year ago. I later gifted it to my nephew. He is now happily using it in his apartment as a 2.1 system streaming Spotify and having a TV and a BluRay drive connected to it. Devices like the Octavio, and the WiiM, are perfect for that. I'll be sticking with my Cambridge stack (CXA81, CXNv2, CXCv2) and my Sony BluRay drive. But there is definitely a market out there for integrated all-in-one's.

I love the objectivity around the lack of dynamic capabilities. Back in the 80's, my father had an HiFi store, and one day we used entry-level Marantz PM-26 to drive a pair of JBL L100 Ti. Although they were easy to drive, everyone who listened to that combo wouldn't believe that it was only a 30 watt RMS per channel amplifier. It has to be said that Marantz was very conservative with their power ratings at that time, and that the specified dynamic power was way higher (suggesting a big headroom), but as efficient as those JBL were, they were not Klipsch sensitive, and I can't imagine that same amp not being able to drive them in that room (which seems way smaller than the shop was back then.). Of course they didn't put out the same output levels than the PM 94 (which we also had), but it was still impressive output for almost 1/10 of the price. I haven't seen measurements of the Wiim Amp addressing the peak output power, but it does seem like it must be lacking on it. I don't believe that any class A/B amplifier with that power would struggle on driving a pair of Klipsch, even if more and better power is likely beneficial. Some class D designs are known for lacking headroom, which wouldn't be that important if it had 200 rms into 8 Ohm. While it seems inexpensive at first, I'd argue that it has a poor value. For all the great things that it offers, it lacks on the foundation which is the amp itself. I'm not necessarily concerned if any particular amp doesn't include the best dac or streaming capabilities, since they can be added later with separates (and even follow that evolution). But if it fails at performing its main function, there's no way around it. And while I can definitely see good usage scenarios for this product, it's still an underperforming product, with a limites usage range. This is certainly not where HiFi should start, imho.

My Wiim amp is powering my 30K Harbeths just fine. I moved these to my vacation home and it's the perfect solution.

I am super happy with mine, I will play the tracks you tested to see what I think, but so far I love it. :) …. And yeah, it’s tiny compared to my old receiver.

If I had $300 + $200 for speakers, I’d be looking at a heavily discounted Klipsch Five.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

5 ай бұрын

That would be a potentially nice alternative!

@BoRerunn

5 ай бұрын

I own a pair and they go louder than the WIIM amp. Because of that, I'm returning the W A

I like the new (darker) side table! I don't believe that I noticed it before today. Also, I wanted to restate how lovely your customized Cornwalls are in the space. The Wiim seems decent. I definitely appreciated the specifics to ensure that everyone tempers their expectations. Nice touch with the SPL meters in the B roll.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

5 ай бұрын

I thought I needed to try to show "proof" that the amp cannot fully drive even super efficient speakers.

@umrryan

5 ай бұрын

@robinsonbrand The discussion on the difference between test tones and complex music (real world power output) was awesome and definitely not one I've run across elsewhere. Great food for thought.

Sounds like it is what I would expect from this unit. Nice for background music and ease of use but not for critical listening. I attribute that mainly to the power supply. The p 19:33 ower supply can make or break an amplifiers sound. It needs to be able to supply reserve power when the music calls for it when listening to spirited levels.

Great review, I appreciate the not so pretty aspects you covered 👍🏽👍🏽🔥

Hello Andrew + Kristi, great video. I'll stick with the Wiim streamers and use different amplification. Never too much headroom. Have a great week!!!

I have the Wiim Pro streamer. The things great. I run it into my DAC and it sounds great.

Interesting review thanks. Would adding an active sub to the wiim add lower weight and ease the amps load?

Just discoverd you and enjoying listening to you . I am mostly listening to opera and classical music . Tried to find some review on some "gear" for this type of music but I couldn't find it on you channel . Do you have any ? Or planning on doing some ? :) Thanks and keep up the good work .

The misalignment of the HDMI port is pretty telling.

Hi Andrew! Great review. Have you reviewed the Juke amp? We are looking for multiple zones (4-6), inside a single amp. Looks promising

I have a Wiim amp in my office. It sounds more than okay with Boston Acoustics A26 bookshelves. The new Eversolo amp also uses TI amp chips btw.

wiim are really interesting to me because they seem to be one of the only companies meeting me where I'm at, Sonos and arylic are intent on building their own ecosystem and they're just.... wrong about it. i have an Android phone, i am going to use chromecast, I have a Mac, I'm going to use airplay. i HATE closing my music app and opening a separate speaker app, it drives me nuts that every company is desperate to drive me to their own, universally worse, app, its ridiculous hubris to think you're better at this than tidal, or whoever. it's a bummer that this amp isn't quite there, but at least we know the wiim amp pro 2 S Max will be out 6 months and probably address at least half of these complaints.

I got one of the cheap digital amps recommended by another channel when i first got into quality music equipment, but I immediately replaced it with a Cambridge AXR100 for the reasons Andrew described.

brooooooo! I miss the beard :(, but yeah no surprise on this review, sadly many of these little asian amps rate wattage at 10% THD which does mislead many consumers. Your review is about what I was expecting. But man that thing certainly does look beautiful!!

I've ordered this for a medium sized living space so looking forward to trying it. I recently acquired a free pair of original Wharfedale lintons, so should be more than easy to drive as they are from the mid 70s. I will be mainly streaming and playing record's through it.

Thank you for the honest review Andrew and Kristi! I think what I love the most about the $300 WiiM Amp is how much of a wake-up call this creates with the competition. There is less and less excuse for higher priced products to not include the features this "cheap amp" has such as HDMI ARC input, decent supporting apps, network ability, etc. While this first generation WiiM Amp isn't for me...I can't wait to see what they come out with next.

@KristiWright

5 ай бұрын

It does make the lack of certain features in more expensive products like glaring omissions.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

5 ай бұрын

If they add a better Class D amp to it (enough with these TI chips that can't deliver on their own promises) I'll be first in line to scoop one up!

@mightybenaiah9076

5 ай бұрын

You hit the nail on the head Bryan. Why is it that those of us who did our homework and invested in a quality amp often find ourselves with a "purist" amp regardless of the topography? The sound is amazing, but tone controls, sub outs, eq, tone control, remote (in my case 😂), probably not. Why? I know it's always BEEN that way, but to your point can't we keep the quality sound and even pay for it, but have these features that are showing up everywhere? It's not cheap to add stand alone units to a great amp. I had to use active high pass for my mains and an Rme ADI 2 dac to get a surprisingly good preamp (dead quiet autobiasing), dac, eq, remote and loudness. I thought I did it the cheapest way possible without making sonic compromises but dang! If Crown added more software to their XLS series, my oh my!

Hmm, this is interesting. I have an Aiyima A07 on my desk and a CA AXR100 running my 2.1 system in the living room. After watching this, I decided to try my A07(same amp chip as Wiim amp) with my towers. My Jamo Concert 11s are nowhere near as sensitive as those cornwalls, and the little amp drove them easily to eardrum slaughtering levels with a 36V 6A PSU. Phone was showing about 90dB average and peaks in triple digits. I don’t know if it sounded “good” as I was plugging my ears, but the volume was there, and I played through some bass heavy tracks and it was rattling cabinets. Noise floor is excellent as well. Wonder if something is wrong with this unit.

So it’s a class d amp! I have a wiim pro and have run it through my onkyo and fosi amp with the new texas chipset. A/B is a winner. Soundstage and bass management. Fine for a desk setup or bedroom

Why HDMI port on it is so crooked? 😂

@uncledd1067

5 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing 😅. All of the inputs seem a little off.

TY Andrew. Great video. I have the Wiim pro plus. Love Wiims interface for price. Instead of upgrading to this AMP should i just buy the Cambridge AXR 100 and plug my current wiim in which all goes to my Vintage Marantz 2250B. I am running Focal 805 Bookshelfs. And want to hook up my Sub. Trying to keep this simple and will not give up my Marantz. 😅. Thoughts.

Great video! I'm currently running an Arilyc A50 into Klipsch RM-160s. Looking to get something with HDMI. I think the Wiim might be the way to go.

Good review. Like how you described what's the best pairing for the amp. This amp is cheap cost effective and there is a home for it. At the price seems to be a good $$.

RADIO SHACK SOUND METER! RADIO SHACK AHHHH GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN 😊

This is a very sober look, I really appreciate that. You explaimed a lot! One thing - Airplay usually will send some compressed AAC, so maybe better to use android with chromecast etc?

I had a pretty similar experience. At first the WiiM was really lean. I added a sub to go with my LS50 metas and some peq to bring a bit more life to the setup. With that, in a small bedroom it’s been ok. I just wish it had a preout

Honestly I would consider this unit as more of a small place product. Bedroom, office,study. Anything bigger than that I would look elsewhere.

In the line of a similar product - I’d love to see your review the Sonos Amp!

Bookshelf speakers & sub, smaller listening area....

Thanks for the honest review. Wiim is a great company. The updates may be annoying, but they add new features often. The value is there and the company is quick to respond to customers and reviews.. Maybe their best solution would be a set of preouts? A better amp chip (swappable OP amps)? Better power supply? I am sure these are currently being explored by Wiim.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

5 ай бұрын

I have nothing bad to say about WiiM as a company. I hope they come out with a version two. If I had a say in the design, I'd ditch the TI chip amp for something like ICE Power or Hypex, which would make the Amp a true force to be reckoned with.

I look forward to the 3 second intro of every AR video. Oh and the review of the Wiim is great. Not something I need but I would recommend it to people in my life who haven’t been infected with Audiophile-19.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

5 ай бұрын

I think the WiiM could be a great gateway product for people to catch the hifi bug.

This review is spot on. Bought the Wiim Amp to see what the hype was about and was left disappointed.

Hey guys, informative review, as usual. When I see a review, like this one that is so completely different from nearly every other reviewers', it always make me wonder if the issue is that other KZread reviewers are simply not completely honest with us or is it that maybe the outlier reviewer has a defective unit? Either way, thanks for your candor.

Thanks once again for such a thoughtful review. Seems to me that a small room using a Sub/Sat combo with the provided bass management system would be most optimal? But at this price, wow. I'll wait for the "pro or pro plus amp" and keep using their plus streamer 😊

The WiiM is a desktop amp for close listening connected to a subwoofer. That is where it shines. I have Mission 750 AE bookshelf speakers and a Episode EVO 6 inch powered sub and it is excellent for a desk.

Around 16:30, there is an artifact on the right side of the screen that scared TF out of me because I thought our TV developed a dead pixel, but it's also present when viewing the video on my laptop so, phew. No need for a new TV yet. Was considering the WiiM Amp for my Mac Mini office setup but something felt off when everyone was praising it, so went with a Cambridge Audio DacMagic 200m along with a pair of U-Turn Ethos based on your review from 2022.

Just a quick note on HouseCurve: it’s pretty easy to get lost in taking measurements (it’s fun!), but if you have older speakers with drivers that can’t be replaced you might want to watch the volume when measuring. Driving your old irreplaceable woofers into excursion too much could have a sad outcome.

I'm kind of surprised you never re-ran your listening tests with a subwoofer hooked up to the LFE out and engaging the app's internal bass management you briefly mentioned. I would imagine the amp would gain quite a bit of headroom by allocating bass amplification to an external sub. I'm curious to see if it would make a huge difference it its tonality as well.

I'll have to agree with you here, Andrew. The Wiim Amp is ... fine. It looks beautiful, the features are plentiful, it does what I need it to do, but in the end the sound is ... OK. My usual set up in a large-ish room is Computer USB -> RME ADI DAC -> Musical Fidelity M6si -> KEF R7. The power unit in my M6si seemed to go after a power surge and I needed something to replace it while it's away for repairs. With rave reviews, a wonderful feature set, and a $300 price this seemed perfect for a rather quickly researched replacement. Besides, I'd long thought of something small for the bedroom and I can just move it there after my amp is returned. In no way did I think the Wiim Amp could sound the same as the M6si driving the KEF R7s, but it's acceptable short-term. You're right with your assessment -- the dynamics aren't there. Even when I increase the voltage output of the signal form the RME ADI DAC so I don't have to drive the Wiim Amp too hard, it's still just ... fine. Not bad, but not spectacular. For $300 it will be a nice addition to the bedroom eventually for occasional listening there, but for a main 2.0 system there are probably better options.

Thanks for a great review as always! :) I recently got a wiim amp for my bedroom, but for fun tried them with my primary stereo (quite difficult to drive 4 ohm speakers). They did sound a bit flat and unrefined in comparison to my primary gear, but for the money they were really great. But I had absolutely no problems with dynamics, they played a lot louder than comfortable without any huge issues (low efficiency speakers as well). I suspect that maybe having the 220 V we have in Europe just gives better dynamics?

@andrewrobinsonreviews

5 ай бұрын

I don't know what the cause could be. How close do you sit? How big is your room?

@tobiaxelsson

5 ай бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews Don't think the size of the room is a big issue compared to my 4 ohm 83 dB sensitivity speakers. But I didn't find much issues with it at all, I like it a lot more than the standard active speaker or soundbar (it's more it's competition rather than full-size stereo gear)

Its a good review, you can't make everyone happy and you're doing the work for them, so forget them!

Thank you for the video review. What about Harman Kardon Citation Amp? Does it compare?

I for one love the honesty in the review! Many will hate it but thats every review because everyone has different equipment experience, use cases, ears etc. That being said, my issue was not with using the cornwalls, i completly understdn that move and im glad ypu ansered the question that it can even struggle with highly wfficient apeakers. But I do wish you would've cut them a bit of slack and given them a little more credit for developing a good looking product that comes with a lot of bells and whistles, an intuitive, fast performing app, that when you really think about it, has no competition at its price point. I mean heck, its hard to find a good stand alone amp at $300. Some line outs wouldve fixed what seems to be one of its only flaws. Or maybe down line they develamp a an amp pro with better amp section. Anyway, Hope this doesn't come off negative. I really do appreciate your hard work and reviews! Thank you guys!

@KristiWright

5 ай бұрын

While I did not take your comment negatively, I am confused by it. Many of the things you wish we would have given WiiM credit for, we did.

@michaelgochez7768

5 ай бұрын

@@KristiWright thanks for taking the time to reply! I realize you did give them some credit, but I guess it ultimately felt like because of it's one limitation, it was ultimately a disappointment for you guys. As an example, you have reviewed Arylic products that do not have HDMI and a far inferior app, no EQ, about equal amp, but in this review, Andrew mentioned he would take the WiiM over the acrylic. I wholeheartedly agree with your review of the product, it just feels like maybe you guys unfairly expected it to compete with higher end products when it came to the amp. Thanks again for the reply and looking forward to the next one!

@KristiWright

5 ай бұрын

I am saddened that you came away with that impression. I feel we gave the product a fair and balanced review, pointing out both it's good qualities as well as the ones that perhaps missed the mark. As I say in the conversation, it's a good product that will be great for a lot of people but (as is the case with just about anything) it's not for everyone and all situations. These instances where you might be better off with something else are covered in the video. Of course, if you own this product and it works for you, that's great! As for your high-end comment, others have suggested this product competes with higher-end products, and in some ways (for example, its inclusion of HDMI and PEQ), it does, and in other areas, it does not. I do not believe it is unfair to point out a product's positives and potential downsides. Just about every review we put out has them so I'm not sure how this one is all that different. I wonder if perhaps you are assigning more personal feelings (ie disappointment) to this review that may be your own. Whatever may be at play, I hope this response provides some clarification.@@michaelgochez7768

@michaelgochez7768

5 ай бұрын

@@KristiWright I honestly have no expectations about how you may like the sound quality of a product but you may be right in me having expectations about you guys maybe showing a little more love on the app and it's ease of use and reliability. That is something so many manufacturers don't get right and is unheard of at this price so I guess maybe in my head I figured you would put more value to it in your review. But hey that's just me so I accept having a bit of an expectation bias on that. I did have one minor question? I know it probably doesn't matter too much, but did you guys happen to try them on more budget prices speakers, maybe bookshelves to see if maybe they were a better match since bookshelves don't dig as deep? If you can't get to this question I totally understand I've eaten up a lot of your time and I appreciate you guys either way! Thanks again for the reviews and keep em coming!

@andrewrobinsonreviews

5 ай бұрын

@michaelgochez7768 I would like to jump in and answer or address a few questions regarding the app. Having used a lot of different streaming Apps over the years, I've come to realize there aren't many that are actually different. As for using "cheaper" speakers or bookshelf speakers, we did, and while a bass-shy two-way does get around the amp's lack of low bass control or detail, it doesn't really solve the amp's larger dynamic and headroom issues. Adding a sub also does not magically make the amp "more powerful," as others have suggested. In truth, adding a sub increases noise from the amp and speakers, making it way more noticeable if sitting close or when used in a desktop environment. I hope this answers all of your questions and I want to thank you for your civil and kind discourse.

Someone with a “room like yours “ probably wouldn’t be looking at WiiM amp at this price point. In my case I have just moved my Sonos Five to the bedroom and setup the WiiM Amp with Q Acoustic 3030i speakers in the lounge and connected my tv and for me it’s a big improvement from what I had and the software is very stable and simple to use. It has got me thinking in the future I may upgrade to a Bluesound devise

Hi Andrew - I want to ask that you review on wall (not in wall) speakers. I realize these are never considered high quality. However, I live in a very small home, as I am sure many others do. I looked for a long time and stumbled into a Swedish brand DLS that sound great. Dali makes an on wall, as does KEF and Totem. I really want to upgrade my wall hangers - but would love to see reviews focused on on walls. Thanks in advance.

thx for the review! do you have a link to your test playlist on spotify?

Good morning from Ottawa 🇨🇦 👋🏻 VERY eager for this review. My beloved Technics SA-5550 just busted for the third (and final) time. Looking to replace, but on a very tight budget. This is near the top of my list, but waited to hear both of your opinions before purchase. Other options are Loxjie A40, NAD C316BEE V2, NAD D3020 V2, Node Poweredge, or just a regular power amp to go with my existing Loxjie A30 DAC. So many options 😵‍💫 cheers to you both, Andrew and Kristi!

@andrewrobinsonreviews

5 ай бұрын

Let me know what you think AFTER you watch the full video. I'm really curious.

@MatthewMcGowan

5 ай бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews first off, bravo on this video 👏🏻 👏🏻 you knew you were going to get scrutinized for your review, and you provided a detailed, thorough, technically exhaustive, and ultimately honest and fair assessment of the Wiim Amp’s performance. I immensely appreciate all your clearly hard work. 😓 However, given that I’m looking for an amp to run my stereo speakers in my home office (4 feet apart, siting 6 feet away), I think the Wiim’s power capability is fine for my needs. I never go above 65db (just not comfortable in my small office), and the all-in-one aluminum chassis is perfect. Sound quality is what it is for Class-D, but at this price, you have to expect some compromises. However, the lack of a headphone jack just hit me. That’s kind of a deal breaker for me the more that I think of it. Which, unfortunately, sends me back into the vortex of researching a replacement. BUT, thank you kindly for the Emotiva BasX A2M tip. THAT might be my new top of the list pick. Cheers to you and Kristi, and enjoy your Sunday! Edit: I’ve actually had more time to think about it, and I think I’m going to purchase the Wiim Amp for my office speaker system, and then reallocate my DAC to the desktop and plug my headphones into my DAC (Mac Mini > Loxjie D30 > headphones). That way it gets reused and doesn’t gather dust in storage. Problem solved 🤓

great review. thanks!

Thank you, you saved me 300 bucks! This is the best review about this overhyped product!

I have this and tried it with my floor speakers and then with a small set of Sony Sscs5 and it sounds awesome. The simplicity and small size make it great. Streaming, eq, and the ability to easily use it with the app makes this a very nice setup.

Not sure who the young guy is but I like his content. 😂 All joking aside, have you considered buying a D'Amore engineering AD-1 Amplifier Dyno. It could give you exact wattage of the amplifiers you test. It test the certified wattage(up to 1% thd), uncertified(up to clipping), and dynamic wattage at either 40 or 1k hertz.

Thank you for the solid review, both of you! About what I thought this little guy would do... Underpowered. That amp should have driven those Klipsch to the moon.

"Test signals are not the same as music" This is the golden sentence that needs to be etched in a 2 tonne stone and then delivered to Amir at ASR.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

5 ай бұрын

In my opinion, the WiiM is a great example of how measurements and one's personal experience don't always align and why you can entirely base your judgment, good or bad, on just one perspective.

@leo11877

5 ай бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews Agreed. A good analogy is measured and advertised MPG on a car vs what it gives in downtown Manhattan 😁