I truly admire how you use pop culture to explain the ideas of philosophers. It makes the ideas so clear and accessible. As a teacher for (edit) 34 years (recently retired) I am jealous of your skill.

@gutemberg7946

3 жыл бұрын

Retired at 34? What a dream came true.

@rugbyguy59

3 жыл бұрын

@@gutemberg7946 teacher of 34 years means I taught for 34 years... I'm 61. No dream, just life. Lol

@alecbernal3824

3 жыл бұрын

@@rugbyguy59 I'm sure it was just a little wordplay on your amphiboly.

@dialectic5361

3 жыл бұрын

@@rugbyguy59 Hope your doing good man

@sc6520

3 жыл бұрын

@@gutemberg7946 first thing I thought

When Renaissance painters started to depict emotion in paintings (before that most poses and expressions were highly codified in mostly religious contexts) they also noticed how difficult it is to discern between ecstasy and horror.

@robertwill23

3 жыл бұрын

It is not that difficult. You can easily spot happy face or face that experiencing joy or satisfaction or happiness. And you can easily spot face strained by horror or fear. You can do it in real life and you can do it on paintings.

@FrozenRat161

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertwill23 Interpretation is different..

@robertwill23

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrozenRat161 interpretation of what? of happy face? happy face is happy face. horrified face is horrified face.

@FrozenRat161

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertwill23 I don't think you are aware that human emotional expression is socialized.

@xCorvus7x

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrozenRat161 But at this point, similarities between how one socialisation expresses ecstasy and how another expresses horror are meaningless. It's relative, just like similar (but etymologically unrelated) words can have different meanings in different languages.

Congrats on 50k dude!

@jonasceikaCCK

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Love your channel!

@raddestoflads7771

5 жыл бұрын

Continue to yeet on the elites, the both of you

@mvonwalter6927

5 жыл бұрын

Well deserved!

@fabianmiron2782

5 жыл бұрын

Montare satelit digi cu Motor

@tonegoober

4 жыл бұрын

@@patriciusvunkempen102 no u ;)

The psychedelic experiences also exist at once between ecstasy and horror.

@dancingheroes

5 жыл бұрын

yes. it says so in the video: "substance use"

@FeedOnTheWeak

5 жыл бұрын

Dick Mëister psychedelics however are not like the little death of narcotic use. Theres something to be said about the specific connection between psychedelics and religion

@gymnopedie4445

5 жыл бұрын

@@FeedOnTheWeak If anything they provide a more dramatic feeling of death. DMT trips specifically are often described as feeling as if you died and were resurrected.

@FeedOnTheWeak

5 жыл бұрын

gymnopedie i dont see in what death is any less dramatic, but i agree about the power of DMT

@KilgoreTroutAsf

5 жыл бұрын

Ah, yes. I do not recall any psychedelic experience as being particularly pleasant. Just ... enriching.

"Indeed, horror operates with complete autonomy. Generating ontological havoc, it is mephitic foam upon which our lives merely float. And, ultimately, we must face up to it: Horror is more real than we are. " - Ligotti, Conspiracy Against the Human Race

@tsusugawara7625

3 жыл бұрын

ok brayden

@darkcyndoge

2 жыл бұрын

Thomas Ligotti is a wonderful author

1. I somehow missed this, until now. 2. I had no idea Clive Barker was a gay man, but this makes the Hell Raiser movies make so much more sense to me. 3. I had no idea Clive Barker was such a stud.. 4. I had never heard of Bataille, but I can say without hesitation that this video has made me more interested in reading a personally newly discovered philosopher’s work in quite some time. What bits of his philosophy that you discussed here are things I’ve had deep discussions about with close friends and lovers, especially my ex, often in states of losing ourselves in the sacred (be they post bdsm/aggressive sexual experiences, experiences of hard drugs, experiences of psychedelic drugs, or combinations of these). I don’t mean to TMI, but your description of this philosophy brought me back to what was possibly the most terrifying, beautiful, and pleasurable experience of my life: having pure animalistic, viscous sex, very deeply in love, and under the influence of both LSD and amphetamines... After the “little death”, which seemed like a little eternity given the conditions, we talked at length about what the fuck just happened. There were points when I wasn’t sure if I was alive anymore, when I thought I had slipped into a “spirit realm” (I say this as an atheist), when I was literally terrified at what was happening, when I thought we were a single organism, when I wasn’t sure if what I was doing was life affirming or life ending, and these were sentiments he shared, and the way I thought about reality, about the line between ecstasy and agony, really was pushed passed the breaking point. Anyway, I’ll leave it there. Again, sorry if that’s TMI, but it’s basically what you talked about in this video, and I actually got goosebumps as you described Bataille’s views, and how close they related to my own. This was fantastic. Cheers ❤️🏴

@xyzyzx1253

2 жыл бұрын

that sounds like a wild time! Lol

@the__void__spaghetti__girl

Жыл бұрын

what is it with humans and enjoying violent and/or so-called "degrading" sexual activity? the philosophical implications for bdsm/drugs/horror/sex are supremely fascinating.

@d3vitron779

3 ай бұрын

@@the__void__spaghetti__girldegrading someone in a sexual context is an act of love, seeing as you both know it’s “a game” in a sense. It’s a form of bonding

@tresojos

13 күн бұрын

beautifully written. Ahhhh.. Just brought me back some memories!

Please do a essay about the late capitalism of anime, particularly the exploitation of kawaii and the terrible working conditions of the animators.

@user-gw8kh1dx4c

5 жыл бұрын

Never stop till he does it

@XRXaholic

5 жыл бұрын

I now support MLM: Marxism-Leninism-Moeism

@leuk2389

5 жыл бұрын

Not to mention how kawaii started as an active effort to make Japan look weak and innocent in the face of war crimes during WWII further helped along by the US desperate to forgive them for the sake of having a stable Asian ally

@leuk2389

5 жыл бұрын

You think Im making this stuff up? Its pretty well-documented dude, even Lindsay Ellis has mentioned it before. I can recommend the video by Vox "How a melancholy egg yolk conquered Japan" , the video by Knowing Better "Playing the Victim | Historical Revisionism and Japan"

@thaDjMauz

5 жыл бұрын

@@boiwaif but also the opposite, the way the oppression of sex causes extreme fetishism and taboo. I would like to see a case made in favor of this because any way I look at it says its clearly messed up. The male as dominator and female as innocent victim to the mans desire seems in no way good for anything to me so I feel my view is polarized.

This theme is also explored in the movie "Martyrs" (2008), actually the "Lingdchi" picture appears several times throughout the film.

@dylan9966

5 жыл бұрын

Everyone interested in horror should absolutely watch this. But watch the 2008 French one, stay away from the 2015 remake.

@EmeraldMinnie

5 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I thought when I saw it. I didn't know it was the same picture though. The text of the video is pretty much Mademoiselle's speech when she first meets the eventual Martyr.

@KnjazNazrath

5 жыл бұрын

"Martyrs" is the only gore flick that's made me sympathetic to a character within it. Without spoilering too much, it wasn't the main character or the antagonist but the victim.

@poop_storm

3 жыл бұрын

I was just coming to comment this

@street-zombie

2 жыл бұрын

I was about to comment that that was exactly what Martyrs was about; glad I scrolled down first to see if anyone beat me to it

I loved the point about how utility is over valued. To give just a small example, whenever you tell someone what you study in school and they say "and what are you going to do with that?" I usually say hang it on my wall.

@bodbn

5 жыл бұрын

But to be honest most people who say what you said eventually hang themselves so it's not so edgy what you said. Actually it's kind of pathetic. student loan debt, humanities degrees and suicide go together like cherry pie.

@heraclitusblacking1293

5 жыл бұрын

@@bodbn most people who say what I said hang themselves? I'd like to see some scientific data on that.

@heraclitusblacking1293

5 жыл бұрын

@@bodbn Also, the point is that we ought to be able to study what we want without people criticizing us for not living up to an external standard of value. That would be a freer society.

@bodbn

5 жыл бұрын

@@heraclitusblacking1293 your massive student loan debt that you won't ever pay off and will ultimately be subsidized by tax payers suggest otherwise. Yes you live in a society and no you are not an island unto yourself. Stop listening to all the liberals telling you you are a special lilll snow globe. Precious in every way. You are just raw DNA here to play the propagation game my little misguided friend.

@bodbn

5 жыл бұрын

Are you really naive enough to believe that they collect data on dead white guys who killed themselves from student loan debt bro come on

Outstanding summary and introduction to Bataille. If I were still teaching Philosophy, I'd be glad to use this as an intro, and I think it would be very useful, since Bataille is often hard for students to wrap their heads around. I've given up on teaching. I'm glad you haven't.

@bodbn

5 жыл бұрын

Bastille that shitty millennial band yeah bro

@irreverentbard7322

5 жыл бұрын

Kit Thornton that’s unfortunate. Would love a reading list!

See also Franz Kafka's short story "At the Penal Colony" in which a traveller encounters an execution machine that extends the period of limit experience for hours. Great video man.

"Different but valid" is a foreign concept to many.

@evan2173

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you're normalising paraphilia.

@idratherstayanonimous7020

3 жыл бұрын

@@evan2173 It seems like that's the first thing that came to your mind. Hmm...

@evan2173

3 жыл бұрын

@@idratherstayanonimous7020 Ya cause the video is on Bataille and limit experiences, everyone knows how much the BDSM/kink/fetishist community adores Bataille.

@dialectic5361

3 жыл бұрын

@@evan2173 is that you evan jack?

As a child I had a dream my house was surrounded by an army of countless werewolves, sieged with no hope. I had a sudden epiphany that rather than be torn to pieces, we could agree to become werewolves ourselves. I believe that’s why the Hellraiser series spoke to me. I found them by chance with no introduction. As a teen I organized parties in which a small television, rescued from the trash, played the entire series. This TV sat on milk crates, not in some prominent place but in a corner. I grew up very blue collar and dressed very plainly. I was not conscious of why this appealed to me and had no direct exposure to philosophy. Everyone loved these parties. I guess I just figured this is what the creatures themselves would have wanted. In retrospect, so much to unpack there. Thought provoking video!

5 minutes into it and I already know I'm gonna watch this 10 times

@karl1799

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there are so many implications to be drawn from this, I process it all so slow xD But it's so fascinating, so it's worth it

@magicknight13

Жыл бұрын

Same!!!

virgin apollo vs chad dionysus

@atlaspressed

5 жыл бұрын

Both of them were idiots that destroyed positive things in their own lives, so it's really just dumb ass vs stupid fool.

@4nna5

5 жыл бұрын

@@atlaspressed not to mention the whole 'oh you won't sleep with me let's just curse you with foresight' move Apollo pulled on Cassandra...

@aaa_aa7607

5 жыл бұрын

Shut the Fuckup

@4nna5

5 жыл бұрын

@@aaa_aa7607 Jesus Christ, chill

@heyheythrowaway

5 жыл бұрын

"muh dick" t. dionysus

Finally, more KZread videos on Bataille! Thank you!

This makes me want to see a video on Deleuze and Guattari's "Becoming-Animal", I've heard limit experiences discussed in light of witches' sabbaths, vampires, and werewolves, and I feel that D&G's take emphasizing contagion and symbiosis is fun food for thought.

@davidpiersol2375

5 жыл бұрын

there are a load of places where D&G discuss limit experience. in addition to those points, look for the section in ATP on "tonal" and "Nagual" zones of the BwO, as well as their comments on "black holes" in the BwO. also, look into sections where they discuss Antonin Artaud and "the Judgement of God," since Bataille and Artaud have a similar project with respect to escaping/destroying the Judgement of God. I also think there's some other parts in ATP where they hint towards Bataille, too. Also: James Brusseau's book Isolated Experiences: Gilles Deleuze and the Solitudes of Reversed Platonism, in chapter 3 he discusses the need to delineate a Deleuzean philosophy of limit, which he finds in Bataille's work. most of the chapter delineates a Deleuzean-Bataillean notion of limit experience according to a reading of Bataille's book Story of the Eye. Really cool chapter.

@PseudoMystic

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the Brusseau recommendation, I'll look into him. What interests me are D&G's less "libido" oriented analysis on the classic Occult/Gothic figures. I like that they tried to resist the standard takes revolving around transgression and imitation, and I can't think of another source that explores the philosophical implications posed by horizontal gene transfer in a way that connects it to so many fun literary tropes.

I love how you pair up concepts that could seem to have no relation. This made me look at horror film and also its creators, not only writers or directors but even special fx, in a differentlight. A lot of things click so well now. I will rewatch this movie.

This is fascinating. I think in my mind I have always had an idea of what a limit experience is but I had no idea that a philosopher had come up with a word to describe something that sounds very similar to the concept I thought I made myslef in my head. I'll need to look into this more. Thank you so much for this video!

@jonasceikaCCK

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! The Wikipedia page on limit experiences should give you some leads to look into, as other philosophers influenced by Bataille theorized about this concept too. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit-experience

In tamilnadu there is a holiday called thaipusam where devotees stick tridents through their cheeks and carry heavy parade floats on hooks in their back to show devotion to god. Similar also is the sun dance in Lakota culture

These videos are awesome and I hope to keep looking forward to them in my you-tube notifications for the foreseeable future. Keep up the great work, awesome stuff.

Wow. That was a lighting paced journey through many difficult ideas. Worth a second watch, taking notes this time

A lot of this surprisingly applies pretty well to Lovecraft, even though he could easily be considered one of the most reactionary horror writers because of his personal racism. I'm thinking of stories like Whisperer in the Darkness where the aliens are terrifying and inhuman, but they show the protagonist things they would otherwise never be capable of experiencing like travelling through space or living outside their own body. I don't think there's a return to normalcy in any Lovecraft story that I can think of. The monsters represent something that is outside a rational understanding of the world, which would be both frightening and fascinating to someone with a scientific worldview.

@briantaulbee5744

5 жыл бұрын

Although there's a fair amount of apparently "conservative" horror in Lovecraft as Barker describes it (think "The Dunwich Horror", for example*), I agree that there is also a surprising amount of transgressive, liminal horror in Lovecraft as well. I think this is best exemplified in Cthulhu itself. Someone up the comments mentioned the "sublime", a term for a feeling of both terror and awe. Ken Hite asserts that Cthulhu is absolutely sublime. As Hite writes in "Tour de Lovecraft - The Tales", "Another quote from Burke's Enquiry to seal the deal: 'The passion caused by the great and sublime in nature...is Astonishment; and astonishment is that state of the soul, in which all its motions are suspended, with some degree of horror. In this case the mind is so entirely filled with its object, that it cannot entertain any other.' This Astonishment is one of the effects, of course, of seeing Cthulhu, whether in dreams or...awake. Even language becomes deranged - Lovecraft resorts to seemingly weak similes and metaphors to describe Cthulhu or R'lyeh. ('A mountain walked or stumbled.') This is not because Lovecraft is a weak writer, but because describing Cthulhu is supposed to be sheerly impossible - the mind keeps asymptotically shooting off before it can fully connect." Alan Moore seems to agree. In an interview for The Quietus, Moore states, "It's all about alienation. The way he talks about his monsters - in his first description of Cthulhu he gives you a list of four things that Cthulhu isn't quite like. Which is brilliant!" He was referring to Lovecraft's writing: "If I say that my somewhat extravagant imagination yielded simultaneous pictures of an octopus, a dragon, and a human caricature, I shall not be unfaithful to the spirit of the thing. A pulpy, tentacled head surmounted a grotesque and scaly body with rudimentary wings; but it was the general outline of the whole which made it most shockingly frightful." So Cthulhu is sort of like a dragon, an octopus, or a human (none of them remotely similar to the others), but it's really the indescribable outline that's truly shocking. This is why, in his comic book miniseries Providence, Moore and illustrator Jacen Burrows never actually show us Cthulhu full-on. We only get the vaguest glimpses. Even the characters looking at it can only describe it as being like a jewel, or a cabbage. Language truly does become utterly deranged around Cthulhu. If that ain't experience at the utter outer limits, I don't know what is. *In the larger context, not even "the good guys banish the gribbly outer monster" stories are conservative horror, though, when you realize that the central conceit of Lovecraft's work is that what we think of as the "normal" existence into which monsters invade is, in the end, the aberration. The stars will eventually come right, and the true residents of the cosmos will resume their rightful ownership.

@Willie6785

4 жыл бұрын

@@briantaulbee5744 Damn, amazing comment.

@zlodrim9284

3 жыл бұрын

@@briantaulbee5744 Great post!

Something I noticed that probably just got cut for time - When you mention expenditure as being a waste of time and energy and also in the realm of the sacred (I'm not sure what Bataille's reasoning for this is but my gut feeling is that without ulterior motive it's purer) is doubled down on with the way that the Cenobites are summoned. They're summoned with puzzles, which are huge expenditures of energy and time and brainpower for no utility besides having solved them. Without necessarily being a limit experience, a puzzle would count as an expenditure, wouldn't it? And if we expand the sacred metaphor to include the cenobites as being allegories to priests or sacred figures, then preparing oneself with the lament configuration could be similar to preparing oneself for a religious ritual?

@marocat4749

2 жыл бұрын

Angels are pretty abt as even in the bible angels, not the messenger but higher ones, ar horrifying and lovecraftian. Helland real life priests and religions, did not only catholic but the self flagelating order, still exist, the crucifition is even enacted (if not that literal way)

It's such an amazing video. It's been 5 years, and I keep on revisiting it regularly. Amazing analysis and presentation of subject of limit experience. Love it!!!

Outstanding content. I am actually catching up with Bataille's works for an introduction video to his thought on religion and spirituality, and your video was most helpful in clearing up a few notions. Alongside Antonin Artaud, René Guénon, and André Breton, I find Bataille one of the most fascinating figures of modernist French literature. Keep up the good work!

Dude. Seriously this was one of the most profound things I have watched all year. Thank you!

You offer so many resources for continued learning! Thank you!

Thank you for introducing me to these Bataille's concepts. They are really useful for an investigation I'm currently working on.

this... may be one of the the most original and interesting conceptual essays I've ever seen In KZread. and probably your best video

I have been having these uneasy stirrings about the world for years. Have not been able to articulate them or even know where to look to learn about them. Thank you so very much for your channel 🤗🌺🤗

this feels like it was made for me..! i love clive barker, when i got older i loved georges battaille, and ecstasy in mortification of the flesh is philosophically and theologically one of my favorite subjects. i gotta go become a patreon of the arts of your channel Right Now

Great analysis! Been reading (trying to finish...) Erotism for years now, and really excited to see a video about Bataille. And Hellraiser is my favorite horror franchises that I don't actually really like very much. Love this video!!!

Love your work - you put into words ideas I've felt but couldn't articulate. Also the Quebec horror flik Martyrs explores this concept in relation to the afterlife.

Opium was given to most victims of lingchi to aleviate the pain! This explains the facial expression, not some closeness between extasy and extreme pain!

@remotefaith

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Why would they do that?

@tudorgt

3 жыл бұрын

@@remotefaith to ease their pain while still offering the society their bad example ("who does like them gets the same")

Your videos never cease to amaze me.

I love all the themes you approach in this video.

I really appreciate your video editing and graphics.

One of your best videos so far. Congrats!

Dude, this video is insanely good. I remember I was very impressionable when young, and remember thinking I got traumatized by watching The Ring lmao. A few years later I watched Hellraiser 1 & 2 alongside my mom and remember the state of ecstasy I was in for watching that and not feeling scared like when I watched The Ring, and I honestly think that was a very important moment in reshaping how I absorb new information and tackle diversity and each person's individual behaviour much more openly.

Top-notch content, my man. Love your vids.

Awesome, I was thinking about this topic just today. I love when brainwaves pass through youtube. The idea of escaping pure utilitarianism was one thing I've been struggling to put into a train of thought that actually went somewhere. I didn't really have an idea what that endpoint was suppose to be. Thanks!

Philosophy and Hellraiser, together at last? Yes, sign me up!

I've became very interested in Bataille's philosophy and limit experiences specifically, this is an excellent video thank you

Excellent video, this is truly such a refreshing take on the movies, and their director!

this limit experience seems to be very closely connected to lacan's notion of jouissance

@jonasceikaCCK

5 жыл бұрын

Correct! And for good reason. Lacan was a friend of Bataille, attended lectures with him, and was influenced by him (without acknowledging it as much as he should have, in my opinion)

Very deep and close to original texts (Bataille, Barker, etc.) Respect for combining such inspirating thoughts.

The reading out of the patreon names at the end, gave me life!

'Hero-dose' psychedelic drug experiences are perfectly described by the concept of limit experiences. At some point, language breaks down, your immediacy no longer really distinguishes between the connotation of tactile sensations, i.e. it feels like the incomprehensible euphoria acts as a pain masker, and even painful sensations are weirdly tolerable. I accidentally gouged my finger on LSD, but didn't react in pain, instead being able to euphorically focus on perceiving the rate of blood loss. lol

@thorkrynu4551

5 жыл бұрын

Did you feel the pain sensation or was it dulled? You indicated there was no panic.

@Anxiathy

5 жыл бұрын

@Thork Rynu It's not dulled, you simply accept the pain as part of you. Imagine feeling an intense throbbing pain, but instead of tensing yourself to instinctively fight it, relaxing and welcoming the waves of sensory experience washing over your consciousness while you idly contemplate its most minute individual qualities. The effects of psychotropic drugs have been compared to high levels of meditation or incredibly intense prayer, demonstrating similar activity in the brain. Now consider the medtitative sobriety of Thich Quan Duc as he felt his flesh bubbling and melting off of his body, layer by layer, not moving, not saying a word, until his consciousness ceased to be. LSD obviously won't get you anywhere near that level of mastery over your own consciousness, but it is analogous to it.

@thorkrynu4551

5 жыл бұрын

@@Anxiathy that's fine. I was more curious about the sensation versus alarm. No disrespect to monks.

@bodbn

5 жыл бұрын

Bro you need help if you are gouging out your fingers when you are getting high. I mean wtf dude how you even gonna admit to that. That's sad as hell and a subtraction for the progress of humanity. You need to be on jack ass or something god damn bro that's sad. I'm seriously sad now because of your pathetic comment. Wow just wow.

@flamesthephoenix3665

5 жыл бұрын

@@bodbn I can already see all the parties you haven't been invited to

The concept of dualistic representation of the world in terms of acquisition and expenditure reminds me of the ancient Buddhist idea of virya, in which energy/enthusiasm/power/virility is linked with conservation and death/usage with waste. So the death aspect gives sense in accordance with the sacred (after having rocked hard at a party), whilst energy conserved is the merchant's path, the search for usefulness and wealth of knowledge and resources. Great video as always!

On Wikipedia it says: Classical instances of limit experiences include abandonment, fascination, suffering, madness, and poetry.[3]" But I would say that a much more striking everyday example of a 'limit experience' is probably the dream. Dreams are not only entirely unpredictable, they also often put is into terrifying and incomprehensible situations (it is said that most dreams are negative in nature and I agree with that) - last night for instance I had a dream where I was driving a car, even though I have never driven one in my life, so naturally it was a very terrifying experience.

using your source on bataille for my paper in my art history masters program. thanks for being so easy to find again

I adore Bataille so much!

honestly hearing the names of your patrons is one of the best parts of all your videos. shout out to tendies123 for having an incredible patreon name that makes me laugh every time i hear you say it

Thanks for the warning of the image of the Death of a thousand cuts. HR Geiger was shown a copy of this and cited it as influential. In his art and self. Please continue to give a heads up of potentially disturbing images and thanks for your work.

This is one hell of a video, congrats and thank you!

Classic video on Bataille. Love this interp

Now THIS is excellent content-subbed. Keep this up please.

I’ve been a huge fan of the Hellraiser mythos for most of my adult life, and I can honestly say the thoughts and observations in this video have given me a new appreciation of it...

I've been waiting for more philosophical film analysis. I hope more comes soon.

This was an incredible work, thank you!

I've come across several sporadic references to Bataille but have never looked into him before. This video was an excellent introduction, and now I see that he's actually very relevant to my own theoretical work in technological transgression and political economy. Also, I think you'd be able to make a great video analyzing Videodrome, a film that's just crying out for an interpretative analysis of the 'postmodern' variety that you do so well.

excellent topic and subject matter. Story of the Eye is essential reading.

Really well done! Very close reading of Bataille and Barker!

There's a great video about "death by a thousand cuts" by a very small history channel called Chinese History. I suggest you all check it out, it's very good. Also could the argument be made that the concept of a limit experience is an inherently bourgeois delusion? It strikes me that a comfortable white Frenchman philosopher might be interested in the theoretical meeting of horror and extacy, but perhaps this is only a theoretical construct. I wish we could ask the poor sod in that picture whether he was having a limit experience. My personal intuition is that he would say "no, fuck off, I'm just in a lot of pain, and this is just bad." Then again maybe I only feel that way because the idea of volunteering for pain, of degrading and disregarding a body, is very very scary to me personally. Love your videos and hope you make more! Greetings from Belgium.

@rf-uj5sc

5 жыл бұрын

For all we know that look of happiness was just him finally getting to die. Which.. Isn't what a limit experience describes. It wasn't like "Wow, its so painful it actually feels pleasurable!". More like "Finally, this is the end. No more pain."

@jonasceikaCCK

5 жыл бұрын

That could definitely be argued. Interestingly, Bataille made the opposite argument - that it's the bourgeoisie who try to sterilize all experiences, viewing everything in terms of utility. And, denying the need to expend energies in this way, this comes back to bite us in violent outbursts and war. And, although I think it's pointless to speculate whether the torture victim was experiencing a limit experience or not, I'd say the claim that limit experiences are inherently bourgeois is definitely false. The religious ascetic who purposefully tests their body to reach some religious state or experience is definitely not bourgeois, nor are working class people who find pleasure in alternative sexual practices.

@jonasceikaCCK

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure which one would be best as the starting point. If you're interested in eroticism and mystic experiences, probably Erotism, Tears of Eros or Inner Experience. If you're interested specifically in the acquisition-expenditure distinction, The Accursed Share.

@WeatherStationZ41

5 жыл бұрын

The guy in the picture is on a fuckload of opium. If he weren't he would be screaming. The screams are probably why they gave them the opium.

@RaSunTheThird

5 жыл бұрын

I used to cut myself with a very sharp knife i have almost like 50 scars on my arms. And somtimes i did it becuse it takes away stress and lets you calm down. The pain you fell internaly gets expressed externaly and goes away. But somtimes its was for pure pleasure. But i much prefear somone bitting me or shocking with electricity when its for pleasure, or burning me with hot metal but it leave such ugly scars

Man your content is bloody awesome!

11:25 this part was the most clarifying for me and I'd like to say double thank for that

Excellent video! Absolutely loved it!

LinChi is like blood eagle in the Vikings. But I have no idea people get high on such a horrible way of torture. Your video always helps me a ton on my work. Good job bro!

Very insightful as always, thank you

this was excellent , i nodded with every point u made

Brilliant as ever and hyperstimulating. I'll try to go on some sort of flow of consciousness cause i'm mentally debating a few things. I had the impression for a while that aesthetization of violence, death and other extreme states is, in some way, connected to a sort of inner security of life being safe and death free of charge. The relationship one creates with "horrific" imagery or phisical stimulae is one of detachment, of idealization of the risk instead of going close to the risk itself. It is mental trickery: you are in the safety of a simulation and trigger your demons without being really in front of them. This is at best a training for when the reality of death might come and hit, and that state is really not predictable. In some way it creates some sort of mistified anticipation of the experience, not a realistic one, and the limit itself of "limit experiences" might be escaping us constantly, and instead of rooting us into the dispersion of the self they disperse us into believing the simulation (expanding the limits doesn't mean destroying them..) Thankyou for the mental food, as usual!

@ryandavis6660

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting reflection

Love your analysis. Keep it up.

Fantastic video...great work and thoughts...

Amazing as always. keep it up!

10:41 Rilke angels have a pretty similar concept: "For beauty is nothing but the beginning of terror. which we are barely able to endure, and it amazes us so, because it serenely disdains to destroy us"

well researched & comprehensive article .. a fresh perspective on Barker & Battaile =]

A while ago, I read Bataille and looked at these images to see what he was talking about. I regret seeing them. His attraction to them horrifies me, there's no milk of human kindness or pity in his description. I have seizures where I feel like I'm being electrocuted. I have visions at the same time, I feel as if I'm dying, no longer a being even an animal sense. This may be a limit experience. This is not ecstatic but devastating. It's not comparable to a mystic experience but I imagine Bataille would enjoy seeing it and speculating about it.

Wow! This was an excellent video!!

Loved this short analysis! Never seen one on Hellraiser, as others probably think the movie isn't worthwhile. I mean, yea, the movie itself isn't a great piece of cinema, but it clearly has a philosophical layer to it.

Bataille explicitly argues (at least in "Literature and Evil") that art is descended from, or linked to, ancient rituals of sacrifice and the sacred. It is a way to safely introduce a sense of the impossible, of death, into life, to feel like you can comprehend it. I'm so glad to see well-made videos about him. It's such an interesting and valuable way to answer the question of "what is actually the point of art in human life?" The fact it has no "point" is exactly the point. It lets us look beyond the limits of what we think is valuable, of the values of normal life. And what better genre for that than horror - body horror especially?

Midssomar también juega con el concepto de experiencia límite. Las prácticas del culto y su otredad producen rechazo instantáneo pero al mismo tiempo uno entiende muy bien porque a la protagonista le sirve la comunidad.

Really interesting. A discussion of Lovecraft's nativist politics and the acquisition-expenditure symbolism of The Purge would fit well here.

I keep revisiting this, I've made a scarification based on Betaille and this video. I've discovered Clive Barker's work. Thank you for doing this video it shaped my comprehension of my self

Bloody brilliant.

This was really good. Thanks for that.

Brilliant video, thankyou. I think Phantasm also reads as a limit experience, there's no normality at the beginning and it doesn't return to normality, and features plenty of eyebrow raising extremity along the way. It also has elements of Baudrillard in that the boundaries between the waking world and dreams are thoroughly undefined, at any time reality could all be the cruel illusions conjured by a malevolent spirit.

Seen "Crash"? Outta the park again bro. Thanks.

Subbed because of this video. Thanks, keep it up.

Have you seen Martyrs? French horror film, all about limit experiences and ecstatic experiences caused by torture. Definitely worth considering in conjunction w these ideas.

@CarlosFerrao

5 жыл бұрын

They either show that lingchi image or refer to it in Martyrs. I can't remember exactly but it's definitely there.

@TheMetalHead554

4 жыл бұрын

I was about to write the same thing but with a *spoiler alert for martyrs* note.

@TulilaSalome

4 жыл бұрын

@Renegade Cut has a good critical analysis of it. From another point, though.

@nathanhumphrey9005

4 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing! Limit experience is essentially what Martyrs is based around.

fantastic video, and unlike a lot of halloween videos, it was actually nerve racking.

Fantastic work, thank you

Love your channel, KEEP IT UP

Excellent video

Hellraiser; good story, good song and good subject for a philosophy video.

loved this video. Thanks!

On the topic of Acquisition and Expenditure. I think that Bohemian Grove cremation of care, can be seen through this lense, as expenditure. And many rituals as limit experiences.

I dunno how I’ve never seen hellraiser. Great stuff, not familiar with Bataille but I mention something similar in a video I did on the new Halloween. Keep up the content!

Please talk more about Bataille!

When Moses saw the burning bush it couldn't be rejected nor neutralized.

@shinjinobrave

5 жыл бұрын

That's actually a very good point. The Old Testament God is very much like the angels. He's not a man with a beard, not a loving god, he's a terrifying volcano. Moses has to stand in a ravine as He passes by at a distance or else Moses won't be able to handle His blinding light. Take the story of Job. In the New Testament Job would have been mollified with an assurance of God's love and a promise of pleasure in heaven. But because it's OT, God appears and makes it clear that he is a peerless power and Job is an ant who has no idea what's going on.

@julymagnus493

5 жыл бұрын

Namely because the bush was played by Charlton Heston. And not even Charlton Heston can ignore Charlton Heston.