To completely avoid pronouncing Baudrillard's name I’d suggest referring to him exclusively as _Johnny B_

@drsalka

4 жыл бұрын

I really thought he was going to go for Jean B. Guess I was wrong 🤷🏻‍♀️🐣

@goprojoe7449

4 жыл бұрын

I prefer Sean Ballyard

@hessamlatube

4 жыл бұрын

Or even shorter, "J Bo"?

@24sowl11

3 жыл бұрын

johnnu b good go johnny go

@joygillmoriah2562

3 жыл бұрын

agreed

“..from here on I’ll make things easier and refer to him by his first name, Jean” Two minutes later: “Baaåååuuiidrilllard”

@blackedmirror5073

4 жыл бұрын

I think you just got " Mtv's CUCKED"

4 жыл бұрын

Du Pain, du vin, et des omelettes du fromaaaaage!!

@Gunth0r

4 жыл бұрын

@ 'du pain, du vin et du boursin' works better

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gunth0r I was misquoting an episode from Dexter's Laboratory: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k4CXj7GDlL2ffZM.html

@HieronymousLex

4 жыл бұрын

People try way too hard. Nobody cares if you get it a little wrong just speak naturally

"The Matrix is surely the kind of of film about the matrix that the matrix would have been able to produce." - Baudrillard What a great quote! Not sure I agree with it, but still is a great quote :)

@retro.spectral

4 жыл бұрын

no cultural object escapes ideology

@halseykale9930

4 жыл бұрын

@@retro.spectral what do you mean?

@retro.spectral

4 жыл бұрын

@@halseykale9930 I think Baudrillard was a bit arrogant and condescending in his critique of the film. The claim he makes applies to any cultural object created under a certain dominant ideology and isn't singular to the Matrix.

@earthlymatters888

4 жыл бұрын

What hes saying is the matrix DID create the matrix. We are the matrix. And we produced the movie, "the matrix" And inside the movie you can go into another matrix. Its a matrix within a matrix within a matrix

@islandboy9381

4 жыл бұрын

any good books about the relationship between cultural objects and ideology?

I always love how at the end of the third movie Morpheus says he is unsure if this is even real. Which opens them to the possibility of still being in the matrix. At that point the simulation is simulating itself. Maybe is Johnny B stuck through and watched the third movie he might have enjoyed that bit.

@PeterOriolo

7 ай бұрын

Exactly. He didn’t understand it, the script was true to his philosophy.

@wailinburnin

6 ай бұрын

… or for the possibility of another sequel!

Sweet video. I think that Baudrillard may have been a bit too dismissive, however. There is one particular moment in the first Matrix that has a nugget of tantalising Baudrillardarity. It is the "Tasty Wheat" scene. The crew are eating some real world slush and a young crew member begins discussing how he misses Tasty Wheat. But as they realise, the experience they were missing was itself simulated and may have been wrong. In fact, the humans have no way of knowing if the world they lost is being accurately presented by the Matrix, as they may have made mistakes. Perhaps chicken didn't actually taste like that. To take this further, if the humans succeed and begin to rebuild their society- what will they be rebuilding? What will their ideas of prosperity and freedom be based on? How will they design Tasty Wheat? It will be based on the Matrix- it will be a simulation of a simulation, with no original.

@TheClassicWorld

4 жыл бұрын

Well, there's post-modernism, for you, haha.

@user-ce2wz2ki6z

4 жыл бұрын

so if a banana is masculine , and ba disables the rest of the word which is nana and means mother , ba’nana = father , than since AN means side , and n’as must means ‘e z’ , or ‘oz’ , than an’nan’nas means nan , which means mother , what’s that hard thing in the middle of the ananas though, her backbone !? than i think we should protect our people , this should be white mans food only if you blame me for this , you’re to blame , i told you don’t play with me , let’s do this = Ar

@PinballMosher

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-ce2wz2ki6z How high out of your mind were you when you wrote this?

@PinballMosher

4 жыл бұрын

It would not be a simulation of a simulation. It would be real life replica from a simulation that may not be accurate to the original. Show less

@QueekHeadtaker

4 жыл бұрын

well done

I was hoping you'd get to the sequels, because to me they seem like a genuine attempt to address these problems. The line between the matrix and the real world becomes blurred as Neo finds out that his rebellion is part of an illusionary binary created by the system itself to make it seem like he has a choice between two worlds, when in reality both are constructed by the same code, aka the matrix, to sustain itself. Neo even starts to have powers in the real word upon having this realization.

@Filaxsan

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking exactly the same! I guess Baudrillard just got to see the first movie and these were his premature conclusions.

@devinodell6152

2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly!

@humancorruption9718

2 жыл бұрын

Is it really the real world if he has powers ? I think matrix 4 will reveal that real world was a matrix. There is a deeper reason for a matrix within a matrix.

@davefx7949

2 жыл бұрын

@@humancorruption9718 He was wirelessly connected to the matrix. He didn't have any powers in the real world.....Well, there is that one scene where a gold coded sentinel passes right through neo and the ship they're in. But just ignore that part.

@Meksgehere

2 жыл бұрын

@@humancorruption9718 the next movie is probably about a new iteration of the matrix. The colors are different etc which I think shows it is a new version of the matrix. Would also explain why he seemed to have lost his memory in the trailer. Really curious what are the themes treated in this one :)

20:23 Last time I checked, Matrix Reloaded subverted the idea of the red-pill-blue-pill choice. The One and the Resistance are controlled opposition created by the machines to keep the Matrix working. The Architect explained to Neo how, in essence, choosing between the red pill and the blue pill was like choosing between Pepsi and Coke all along.

@trinityloves-you753

4 жыл бұрын

The fact that Morpheus is wrong is evident in the actual pill popping scene itself if, that is, you understand the basic workings of full colour (RGB) displays, the human retinas they are designed for and the most common form of colour blindness (all of which the Wachowskis are obviously well aware of being computer/imaging nerds). Why anyone would interpret the words of Morpheus as being the Wachowskis' position is beyond me anyway. Green pill anyone? 😏

@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat

4 жыл бұрын

​@@trinityloves-you753 I wouldn't be surprised if the Wachowskis had planned the Architect scene already. "Why anyone would interpret the words of Morpheus as being the Wachowskis' position is beyond me anyway." People assume a protagonist's beliefs reflect a creator's own. This tends to be true with amateur writers, not so often for good writers.

@trinityloves-you753

4 жыл бұрын

@@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat I get the distinct impression that Morpheus (and other characters) are carefully calculated to draw in certain people just so their bubbles can be burst at a later stage. RATM fans are the obvious victims. It's done very gently as well. Like the Wachowskis can relate to them but have grown out of it themselves, trying to bring old friends along with them into more nuanced thinking. Not sure it's worked though. You can lead a horse to water as they say. But maybe Matrix 4 will do the trick. 🤞

@trinityloves-you753

4 жыл бұрын

@@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat BTW... I think you're right about the Architect scene. I can't help being reminded of a very well known speech from "As You Like It" and I can't imagine how the Wachowskis (especially Lana) would not have had it in mind from the very beginning. Apparently she always wanted to be a writer. She can probably reel it off by heart. All the world's a stage...

@maxpowers4436

2 жыл бұрын

There are different layers of truth within the series. About 5 or so. 1. Zombie in the Matrix 2. Awake realising that its a sim. 3. Being awake and believing the One will save all. 4. Understanding the One Is part of control 5. Understanding the Oracle gambled it all and manipulated events to make this iteration different. Every other version of this Matrix the other 5 iterations only had 4 levels. This version has the Oracle willing to change everything which is intertwined with this NEO being the ACTUAL ONE.

With his quote, "The Matrix is surely the kind of film about the matrix that the matrix would be able to produce," Baudrillard seems to imply that one could distinguish between the real and simulated worlds by the level of complexity and nuance with which a popular film explored his own work on their indistinguishability.

@elisabethhowse

2 жыл бұрын

I waded thru simulacra and feel like he made the same contradiction you mention early on in the book too.

@serge747b

11 ай бұрын

typical french philosopher arrogance

@octavioavila6548

9 ай бұрын

I do not agree with you here. When he uses the word “matrix” he is not referring to a simulated world. He is referring to the simulacra, which is the simulation of simulations without original. Therefore, he is saying that the movie The Matrix is the kind of film about the simulacra that the simulacra would be able to produce. This doesn’t imply that only a more real world could make a film that better represented the indistinguishability of the simulated and the real. He is just saying that this is the sort of film that the simulacra would be able to produce. The simulacra is a place where the simulated and the real cannot be distinguished. The opposite of the simulacra would be a place where the real and the simulated can be distinguished. The simulacra is the post-modern world, whereas its opposite is the modern world. He is basically saying that The Matrix is a modern film, not a post-modern one. It is in fact a film that misunderstands a post-modern topic from a modernist’s point of view. It represents an initial level of understanding of Baudrillard’s work. The modernist’s initial reaction to his work would be to misunderstand it. Later, his understanding would evolve, mature and become more nuanced and perhaps it would produce something more akin to The Matrix 2 and 3

@Boardwoards

7 ай бұрын

@@octavioavila6548 do you think he was influenced by philip k dick? also matrices of choice are what the matrix means though i really appreciate the way you talk about simulacra and simulation

Seriously, I have a hard time imagining Baudrillard processing anything with enthusiasm.

@bootykingnadal

3 жыл бұрын

Very french of him

@Ignirium

2 жыл бұрын

Why is Paris known as a city of love yet french philosophers feel nothing.

@bezahltersystemtroll5055

2 жыл бұрын

@@Continential Jesus ._.

@nihilego3634

Жыл бұрын

@@Continential It feels comforting, knowing that this man that I know of neither Adam nor Eve, thinks and feels a similar way to me.

Mulholland Drive is an excellent flick and deserves its own video

@l_shaun_bunds_l

4 жыл бұрын

Fat Brando I prefer lost highway... there is no band!

@horde4909

3 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah

@joma5721

3 жыл бұрын

Shaun Koreshowell/Bunds for the most part, choosing one Lynch movie over another is a tough task

@skno315

3 жыл бұрын

My favorite film!!

10:48 Borges' idea of the map: It reminds me of the movie "Synedoche, New York" by Charlie Kaufman, where a theatrical production emulating people's lives expands so much that it consumes the city, so the theater takes over everything, and everyone's acting their lives as a part in a play.

So they were originally going to quote Baudrillard, reference him directly AND have him be a consultant in the movie. Now I'm trying to imagine an alternative version of the Matrix which just turns into a hyper-real version of the "Jean Baudrillard show".

Señor Cuck: I couldn’t tell you how many ‘Intro to... philosophy/theory’ books I have read over the years but remaining utterly perplexed. Your ability to translate these complex theories into graspable and useful education is truely amazing.

@HieronymousLex

4 жыл бұрын

Abdul hu rahmen philosophers tend to obscure their ideas through excessive verbosity

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

4 жыл бұрын

@@HieronymousLex I think philosophers, while striving to build a sturdy structure of thought, are forced to try and nail down every detail lest another come along who might, by exploring the consequences of some loose end, somehow cause the whole structure to collapse. Hence the verbosity and its challenge to the understanding.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

4 жыл бұрын

Afterthought: Seems to me stupidity is no barrier to a happy life in societies built so much with safety in mind. Perhaps we should feel some empathy for the lonely person who is smartest in the world and who, when he's thinking on all cylinders, no one can understand .

@jarlnicholl1478

4 жыл бұрын

No, it is that academic philosophers, priest-like, often strive to keep the knowledge away from the outsiders. Much of major modern philosophy can in fact be presented in far more understandable language without sacrificing its profoundity. That was the main claim to fame for people like Frederick Copleston or Rick Roderick, but the likes of them are prescious few.

@hurahman831

4 жыл бұрын

Jarl Nicholl I think there is also a tendency for readers to pick up complicated philosophical works and demand that they make sense despite the reader’s ignorance on the topic. I have been guilty of this too. An average person wouldn’t pick up an advanced book on project management, for example, and just expect it to make perfect sense without understanding the field, the context and purpose of the work itself and so on.

It's a crying shame Jean didn't go to work on the other two movies, because The Wachowskis definitely tried to play with the two worlds colliding, to uhhhhh not the BEST success but they tried.

@1010ZZZ1010

4 жыл бұрын

This what my thought was when he voiced this criticism, in latter movies, as I recall, Real world is sort of part of the matrix and the resistance is appear to be part of simulation and it even not clear how real it is.

@JebeckyGranjola

4 жыл бұрын

Each time I read this as "its a shame james deen didnt work on the movies" lol

@brianspencer5668

4 жыл бұрын

The 2 matrices, the matrix & Zion, are presented in a way that we can't even say what the true real world is like. Is their a great AI using them as batteries? Are any of them not a computer program? Maybe it's how the humans won against the machine AI. trapping it in a matrix of its own.

@chloepechlaner7806

4 жыл бұрын

I think they did a good job. Its just that standing and talking bothered some people. Good scenes, just not what was expected.

@brianspencer5668

4 жыл бұрын

@Bruno Ferreira the architect says that Zion was built for those who would not accept the Matrix as real. That is why Agent Smith could manifest in " the real world".

I got the impression that he was really just trying to promote his writing by saying they missed the point. It worked on me. I absolutely fell for it.

@mistadopeyy

10 ай бұрын

He’s not. The movie just isn’t a substitute for his ideas in any way. It is what it is. People triggered by this are really ironic to me.

@Alpha_beef

8 ай бұрын

@@mistadopeyyIts not a substitute whatsoever, but the influence is clear and purposeful, and the contradictions presented in the first film are explored meaningfully in the sequels

@kylegonewild

8 ай бұрын

@@mistadopeyy The movie never attempts to be a substitute for his ideas. The only one that seems triggered to me is the stuffy frenchman whose criticism of a film *inspired* by his work was that it's not 100% to the letter a reflection of his work and conclusions. Shocker, I know, but it's a movie. Nothing more annoying than philosophers that get high on their own supply.

Baudrillard is what Persephone would call a "pompous prick". I recently heard someone say (I forget who or where): "The Wachowskis aren't philosophers; they are FLIRTING with philosophy", and I think that says everything about how you should watch the Matrix movies in terms of their philosophical content. They probably only had a superficial knowledge of many of the philosophical concepts they implemented in or referred to in the movies, and not a deeper understanding, like a philosopher would have, which would be unreasonable to expect or demand. People need to understand that they're only PLAYING with these concepts. The Matrix is a sci-fi movie; it's not a philosophical treatise. They're having FUN with it. Baudrillard, however intelligent and knowledgeable and influential he might have been, clearly suffered from occupational deformation and misunderstood this.

@souljastation5463

2 жыл бұрын

You can have fun wit the concept without necessarily bastardazing it to the extent of meaning something else entirely. Just look at eXistence, that's a fun movie that deals with the same themes without straying as much as the matrix from the original concept. P. S. If they made the actors read B.'s book I don't think they themselves had only a superficial knowledge if it. I see the dumbing down of the concepts more like an inevitable influence of the dumb and crass "money people", you need their approval if you want to make a multimillion dollar movie.

@polkunus

2 жыл бұрын

There are clear references to baudrillard in this movie, its intellectually dishonest to reference baudrillard directly then bastardize his work because its “fun”. The whole idea of “I like it for what it is” needs to stop, its just normalizing lower standards for the sake of categorizing them as lesser entertainment. I’d understand if all cinema takes philosophical concepts and appropriate them on a surface level, but baudrillard named a few before criticizing the matrix which take concepts and apply them well Also the book was required reading. Like, do it right.

@josephwallace202

2 жыл бұрын

There's no point pretending you had a real critique. You're just mad that a guy with a big long French name that sounds fancy who uses words that go over your head said something unkind about your preferred choice of entertainment. Maybe if the Watchowskis didn't try to drag him into their work and namecheck him to piggyback off of his intellectual credibility, you'd have a ghost of a point, but as it, it's reasonable for him to intercede in a confused effort to distort his work like this.

The movie eXistenZ (1999) comes to mind when he mentions the border of the simulation and reality becoming blurred.

@jonasceikaCCK

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! As well as Videodrome, also by Cronenberg

@sotothankyouidied

4 жыл бұрын

This is why I read comments thanks for the suggestion, ill be watching this later tonight.

@naturesquad9174

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaeljurney8354 well, everyone in a cronenberg acts like they're in a videogame tbh

@ciapatyciapacz5354

4 жыл бұрын

@Jack I remember the gun made of chiken bones with a tooth cartrige

@TheClassicWorld

4 жыл бұрын

Or the far West in 2019? No need to step into fiction to find madness or simulation. Radical post-modernists and Marxists don't know the difference between 'utopia', 'simulation', and 'reality'; nor 'freedom' and 'oppression'. Indeed, they now reject history and biology completely (mostly in North America and Sweden, etc.), thus, 'objective reality' doesn't even exist to these people. It's actually built directly into Marxist doctrines and post-modern theory.

The whole point is that even the characters and the narrative itself don't know they are still always in the Matrix. Manufactured liberation.

@hubey

4 жыл бұрын

@Ryoshikari And quite often it's ourselves. (Following the notion that our thoughts create our reality (a simulation within a simulation perhaps)

@islandboy9381

4 жыл бұрын

Even the idea of revolt against simulation for reality that most people assumed from the movies became a simulation on it's own with ourselves

@1jediwitch

4 жыл бұрын

*Succinctly stated. There is no way out of the holographic universe, we live-we die-we get put back into the world again and again. If there'd ever been a designer(s), they are/were us.*

@danielmurray9820

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly ... odd Baudrillard didn't see this.

@karma_97_

3 жыл бұрын

@@1jediwitch I would say similar to this kzread.info/dash/bejne/mmqaxa2YlrW_kaw.html

In a post modern world, reality is just the marketplace for the dreamworld.

The Wachowski's surely took Baudrillard's statement of "It would be more interesting to see what would happen when these two worlds collide" and wrote Matrix Resurrections on the basis of that idea.

@polkunus

2 жыл бұрын

I hope that’s the case.

@turndownforwhat9970

Жыл бұрын

No he didn't.

@Alpha_beef

8 ай бұрын

I can see some elements of that

Jean might be actually wrong. Remember when Morpheus says "is this even real", remember the architect saying about previous iterations of the matrix, remember that Neo can use magical powers even though it's explicit that nothing in the films is about magic, it's supposed to be a futuristic dystopia, the fact that neo "uses magic in the real world" shows that it's another simulation. Thus essentially being true to the "blur between the simulation and the real", Jean should've seen all films (not sure when he died). And to be honest, even if the above weren't the case, just think that Cypher preferred the simulation + they were DYING when they died in the simulation essentially commenting on the real/simulation false divide. And this is on top of my head without digging anything further. I'm sorry but Jean was too quick to dismiss the films.

@decepticonne

4 жыл бұрын

imho Baudrillard wasn't willing to give the movies an in-depth, honest-to-god pop culture analysis (which *was* the fundamental core of his work and business, there's no "he was old and busy" excuse) because he saw it as a possible criticism of his own work, and Baudrillard *hated* to be called out on stuff, esp. later in his life. so he half-assed a critic of it to ~win the debate~ or whatever made him feel better.

@coaady

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I thought it was pretty clear that both "sides" of the Matrix were actually both simulations.

@FWAKWAKKA

4 жыл бұрын

thats what i pointed out. the simulation continued outside of the matrix as well. the humans thought it was 2199, but it was actually around 2699 due to the machines excersizing the simulation of 'zions resistance following the second renaissance. ' its very easy to miss that, that the machines were just letting zion exist until the right time then obliterating it and allowing the tiny minority that reject the matrix to continue to wake up, go free, and start over.

@FWAKWAKKA

4 жыл бұрын

or he died before the last movies even came out. so hed never had had a clue :(

@ToriKo_

4 жыл бұрын

@flblbl sorry to be a jackass, but as someone completely new to this, what are the other examples of this, but mainly I’d like to know how did he matrix critique his work?

As a native French speaker, I will never forgive you for slightly mispronouncing "Jean". Your refusal to say "Baudrillar" cannot save you from my pettiness I am sad to say

@bernardeugenio

4 жыл бұрын

LULW

@LMNNT

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@kaiserruhsam

4 жыл бұрын

don't lie, you're not sad

@tym7267

4 жыл бұрын

XDD

@m.a.l.4728

4 жыл бұрын

As a francophone person, I approve this message.

This is a great representation! “The fool’s standpoint is that all social institutions are games. He sees the whole world as game playing. That’s why, when people take their games seriously and take on stern and pious expressions, the fool gets the giggles because he knows that it is all a game.” -Alan Watts

@grandstandguy

3 жыл бұрын

A childrens game. Look at these symbols: "White power" is the palm flat. "Black power" is the palm in a fist. "Peace" is the two fingers up, which sideways looks like a pair of scissors. Paper, Rock, Scissors.

@soeinspast4096

2 жыл бұрын

@@grandstandguy Black power defeats peace, got it.

@grandstandguy

2 жыл бұрын

@@soeinspast4096 That would be nice.

The captions literally spell both names Jean and Baudrillard differently each time he pronounces them: Shaun, Zhang, Sean, Jon etc.

@ukapu

4 жыл бұрын

also 'genre' lol

@ifyouknowyouknow6964

4 жыл бұрын

Lololol genreee

@jacobjorgenson9285

3 жыл бұрын

And you will survive just fine

wow subbed just for that flawless pronunciation

@lilshifty4758

4 жыл бұрын

text to speech robots taught him well

@crowstakingoff

4 жыл бұрын

lil shifty Lmao 😂

@coma-body-stilllife

4 жыл бұрын

Unsubscribed for that pronunciation.

@thawhiteflip

4 жыл бұрын

He finally did it, I'm so proud of him. I unsubscribed too

@NeedForMadnessSVK

4 жыл бұрын

Its fresh to see someone actually try to pronounce the names and not do "lol, I am not going to try to pronounce this" gimmick everyone on youtube is doing.

9:20 I find it humorous (and then after some thought; unsettling) that whenever I watch YT vids and the scene of Morpheus holding the battery comes up the algorithm chucks duracell ads at me immediately afterwards

This video is just fantastic, the editing, visual references of other phenomena that so elegantly expand your narration. Top notch!

"The Matrix is surely the kind of of film about the matrix that the matrix would have been able to produce." The thing is, it is exactly the case. The story of the first Matrix, the One, Zion and the resistance are a part of the simulation, created by the system to serve the system. I really wonder what Baudrillard thinks about the sequels...

Okay man... I am in the middle of a terrible insomnia and suddenly the youtube notification pops up, you uploaded a new video! What a delight! I love feeding your videos to my mind !

@johnarbuckle2619

4 жыл бұрын

Same story m8

@chicopapass

4 жыл бұрын

AliSenshi I feel like this is THE LAST thing I’d want to listen to if I couldn’t sleep.

In the Matrix Reloaded, the Architect discusses such a binary opposition mentioned in Part III. He mentions how the people rejected the Matrix until they included choice, how the idea of the One was built into a new update of the Matrix, and how due to choice (as in, choosing Trinity), the One will always fail to save Zion. The opposition between Zion and the Matrix is thus regulated by the One, keeping the two superpowers in existence but never capable of change. He includes that they’ve done it six times with iterations of the One before Neo and have gotten “efficient” at destroying Zion to maintain order Maybe the Wachowskis learned from their mistakes after all, and incorporated that process into the Matrix sequels, too

@keitharntson7671

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure that the One would always fail to save Zion. The Architect states that this particular One had a specific connection to Trinity, the "contingent affirmation" the Oracle set up in which Neo's awakening as the One is inexorably linked to his love for her specifically rather than humanity as a whole, therefore causing him to choose the wrong door, unlike his five predecessors. So when the sixth Neo chooses the other door, the door to Trinity, he's essentially choosing the red pill in the next layer of the simulation. So we have another binary choice system where it's not clear that the "real world" is actually real. Morpheus' last line of the series is "Is this real?". We don't know, and that's part of the point. Clearly the human/machine struggle in Zion was a simulation. It does not matter if it is literally a simulation like the matrix, because it is another system of control where the meaning of "freedom" has broken down. The freed humans don't even know what true freedom is because even the ones who wake up have never been free. They're emulating their saviors Neo and Morpheus who themselves were never free. You can argue that Neo frees himself at the moment of his death, when he finally understands all of this, but that's another subject...

@robmyers8948

4 жыл бұрын

@@keitharntson7671 On the surface it looks like Neo makes a choice but actually he's just following his path. I wonder why the Matrix offers the 'One' that path to go further down the rabbit hole. Neo is the remainder of the Matrix equation and Agent smith becomes the totality of other side of that equation. Agent Smith = Neo. The only way for Neo to defeat Smith is to end the equation of the Matrix program by dying

Fantastic analysis and how good is your list of Patreons!! I'll always love the Matrix regardless, but thanks for showing me the way to a new rabbit hole now, the works of Jean Badass

I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on meta modernism. Also while I get where Baudrillard is coming from, his train of thought is too divorced from your average 1999 movie goer for them to be able to go straight into a completely immeshed simulation reality and have people understand the implications. In order to understand his ideas about reality and simulation being the same you have to start off with them separate in order to be able to clock the difference. The sequels and the Animatrix clearly take his criticism to heart and definitely start blurring the lines. I think he owes the Wachowskis a lot, without them his work would not have nearly the same reach that it does now, whenever I hear Baudrillard come up it is almost always accompanied by references to the Matrix.

@UmmadikTas

3 ай бұрын

Lil bro owes everything to the wachovskies

Everyone always forgets about Vanilla Sky. Why is that. VANILLA SKY, PEOPLE! (Excellent work, btw)

@dalton-at-work

2 жыл бұрын

maybe becasue it was a shot-for-shot remake of a Spanish film, even with Penelope Cruz in the same role. Hollywood has a competetive interest in burying "International Cinema"

@souljastation5463

2 жыл бұрын

It's a remake of "Open your eyes", which I find the better version, but maybe only because I saw it before the Hollywood adaptation, who knows. Thinking about it now, I can't really remember any difference between the two movies, but maybe there are, it's been a long time since I saw them.

That would had been badass if Baudrillard had broken the fourth wall in the movie.

@johnmcqueen8827

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine if he actually did burst through the screen XD

@McMaster1471

2 жыл бұрын

“Bonjour! I’m Jean Baudrillard, and you’ve been watching The Matrix!”

@bezahltersystemtroll5055

2 жыл бұрын

would have been amaizing :D imagine the 13 year olds in the cinema being like whaaaat was that?

I hope that somewhere Baudrillard watched Ghost in the Shell and Serial Experiments Lain so that he finally realizes his points are more acurrately presentable in the visual media. By the way please critique SEL in a video.It really delves in depth to consider Internet as a form of simulation.It also consider Baudrillard's other points such as signs without anything other then themselves(Lain could only be explainable within the context of the internet as an medium)and the rule of code and it's constant shifts.(Towards the end Lain become so fragmented that she defies different means to anyone and become different people according those standarts)

One of your most enjoyable videos in my opinion. Watched while high as a kite and then followed up with some chill pop-science that was coincidentally related to the concept of Simulacrum. 10/10 would watch again

So Baudrillard would've really liked Serial Experiments Lain, right?

@M4ruta

4 жыл бұрын

It warms my heart that people are still aware of this weird, yet underrated anime.

@JebeckyGranjola

4 жыл бұрын

He was a french philosopher, so yeah he was probably into little girls.

@brianb.6356

4 жыл бұрын

I wanna know what he'd think of Ghost in the Shell and/or Stand Alone Complex.

@Shamino1

4 жыл бұрын

@@JebeckyGranjola Fuckin' got'em, dude.

@fionaur5933

4 жыл бұрын

Frаnк every time I see a reference to it I get happy

You reference him by his last name even after you said you'd stop

@romerobjuancarlos

4 жыл бұрын

That is but another simulation, my man.

@stayphrosty

4 жыл бұрын

cancelled

Thank you so much for explaining things so clear! Amazing knowledge-sharing skills :D

Guess the Wachowskis should've gotten more cues from PKD in their production. Jokes aside though , I like to see the Matrix like an entry-level drug for budding philosophers. And while it is very true that it is, by design, still moving within the contractually accepted borders of the status quo, that doesn't have to be a bad thing. The whole point of philosophy is eventually realizing that there's a curtain behind the curtain behind the curtain over and over again until, I assume, it reaches a sort of logical nirvana that we probably won't even come near unlockng as long as we still remain chained to three dimensions and fixed points in spacetime. So the next-best thing we can do is find a spot along that Ouroboros of Socratic realization that is just comfortable enough to fulfill without sacrificing yourself to utopia and authentic enough to saitsfy the inner absurdist. And in this way, the movie, exactly the way it is unapologetically "of the Matrix", perfectly opens an unassuming but willing mind (Every viewer that started thinking more about the point of their reality after watching it is a "chosen Neo") to exactly that idea. The realization in a potential viewer about the confusion with and blending of the map with the territorry only happens through the more easily digestible, "assimilated" black-and-white portrayal of the territory and the fact that even the most schizophrenic viewer will see that the real world is not as portrayed in the film and eventually start looking for those metaphorical cracks, chinks and kinks in the code and make sense of them, look for a reason for their existence and thus a marginally higher level of self-actualization than without it. It's a catalyst for the reaction, not the intended result. Let me put it this way: I always liked to think of 1984's O'Brien as being like Cypher (The steak dude) in the matrix. The suffering of the "woke" protagonist (In 1984's case Winston's torture) stems from the inacceptance, or othering, of the status quo, not the fact that it is, abstractly, "A system". Cypher/O'Brien have all ithe intellectual liberties (codified as material possessions because that's what our status quo is about) that they could ask for. They are are free to commit thoughtcrime, because they have proven to those in power that their motivation isn't to selfishly and on the basis of some higher, abstract principle that might not hold true to human reality endager the entire ecosystem. They are free to feel like an accomplished monkey that knows what's behind the curtain and not go poking where cthulus and greater horros sleep. The problem in our reality is much more, at least that's how it seems to us on the bottom, that those operating the machine don't understand that, they just pull some levers without knowing their purpose because that's what they seem told to do. The real simulacrum is that it's cogs all the way up, the operator forever unreachable by any of us. In a way finding out that we're all just robots is simply a recurrence of "God/Santa doesn't exist" on a higher level of abstraction and is in no way the final stop on the journey of realization, thus it is absolutely fine for the movie to be the way it is. The duality in it is not about choosing between coke and pepsi, between mirrorshades or iPads, but between lazily, inauthentically buying what the system has to offer or making your own goddamn fizzy drink of intellectual freedom. Complacency is equally determinant to human behaviour as curiosity. The world system's task is just to find a semblance of balance between the two against a roughly acceptable mean of evolutionary tempo to reach the next growth cycle. Is it deeply flawed, unfair and potentially completely wrong? Possibly. But replacing some rotten boards and draining the too wet soil underneath a house is still proven to be more economical and ecological than tearing the whole thing down and building it from scratch. And if not, the only true overlords we adhere to down the line are time and physics, everything else is negotiable if you know how to negotiate. That's evolution for you buddy. TL;DR: Jean Beau's criticism of the movie was accidentally influenced by his own simulacrum of autonomy and i've gone so off the rails I don't even know anymore where my ass is from my elbow man. That's some postmeta Alex Jones whatever shit right there innit.

@robertwrath8751

2 жыл бұрын

Are you Luke? Lol

@TaniaDey1326

2 жыл бұрын

I read the whole thing

@qmares

2 жыл бұрын

+1

@AbovnerPL

2 жыл бұрын

Most of what you wrote makes perfect sense to me

So glad I turned notifs on

Yes! I’ve been looking forward to this video

Your video's and way to transfer your knowledge is incredible. Very glad i found your channel.

I can't believe I didn't think of it before, but Neo didn't believe the situation he was in, even though he had already woken up and saw the fields with his own two eyes. he saw it himself, and never thought about the fact that his entire world wasn't real until he was taken back into an actual simulation and it was truly proven to him that the world he was living in was all just fake. it really hit me that it's just that difficult to prove to people anything when it conflicts with what they think is real.

La pronunciación de Jorge Luis Borges fue perfecta

@BigHeretic

4 жыл бұрын

*Joaquin Ortega* How do you know? ....we couldn't see his hands.

@narizota

4 жыл бұрын

Joaquín Ortega más o menos

@cresalp

4 жыл бұрын

Go clean my toilet!

@cresalp

4 жыл бұрын

Clean it!

The problem with the platonic cave is this: if all you have experienced is the cave, then the "real world" is just another cave.

@Hooga89

4 жыл бұрын

The problem with the platonic cave is the problem of how one separates categories from each other. What specific marker separates the Real from the Simulation? The answer is nothing.

@NoName-qi7vx

4 жыл бұрын

No the problem is something else. The cave allegory does not work on simulacra. Thats why he calls these things hyperreal. They match every criteria to be considered reality, they are no illusion, yet they are superficial (a copy with no original). A good example is movie remakes. The original catered to its time and context, while the remake only caters to nostalgia. The focus shifts drastically. The original reflects society in an era, while the remake only uses the aesthetic without deeper context. It is thus a copy with no original as the appeal is vastly different. Yet there is a hyperreal aspect to it, because the remake with this broader focus on aesthetic, transcends generational context (millenials love stranger things without knowing why the 80s were the 80s). There is no deeper truth behind this. The 80s become the aesthetic of the 80s. The authentic feeling is lost, yet these projections are accepted as MORE representative of this era than anything that actually comes from this time period. Can you call that surreal? No, because it is part of the human condition. It becomes the accepted consens and has the realest influence on society, more than the "authentic" could have ever had.

@scouttrooperhh-1487

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, you just destroyed socrates, youre so smart.

@prenuptials5925

4 жыл бұрын

@Whizper2me I swear if I hear anymore Godel woo....

@gotterdammerung6088

4 жыл бұрын

This also falls into Platonic Forms. In the Forms, our abstractions and conceptions of reality is merely an imperfect perception of more imperfect representations of these Forms. The big problem with this theory is the infinite regress it encounters when we think deeper. In the same breath, it is not possible for "beauty" or something "physically appealing" to be beyond subjectivity of the observer-- this is realized the moment you read historical accounts of our "preferences". However, even if you approached it from the angle of "beauty would merely be that which is most preferable, and our perceptual discrepancies are irrelevant" you encounter the infinite regress. If this is true, then "Beauty" ( the most preferable) needs another form to explain how something is "preferable"; therefore, the forms of beauty are relative to the forms of perceptual preference, and the forms of perceptual preference are relative to the preferences that make it perceptual preference, etc. This will go on ad infinitum.

I've just stumbled onto your channel and after watching the previous video about American Psycho and Jean...all I can say is never stop creating this content. New subscriber. On my way to binge all your content. Have a lovely day.

The part about the map of a city becomes as detailed and real as the city itself reminds of the movie Synecdoche, New York where a theatre piece becomes a simulation of the directer's real life, and it grows bigger and more complicated as his life involving the play develops. And you said it was your favorite film in one of the earlier videos. Wonder if you're interested in talking about the film in your later works?

@Boardwoards

7 ай бұрын

the map is the matrices of choice being controlled but yeah that movie tries to get at this.

when will "A Marxist Analysis of Boku No Pico" be uploaded?

@billthepigeon

3 жыл бұрын

stahp

@jackkraken3888

3 жыл бұрын

"Seize the means of production, and his pp!"

Thanks for what you're doing with this channel. I'd never bothered to consider the spectrum of ideas that post-modernism creates with its skepticism of reality before coming across your content. Every time you post a video I plan out a time to sit down and not only watch, but absorb. The word that best describes this channel, to me, is "intriguing."

I thought about it so many times. but you made the video. Wonderful. Great man, I can listen to myself.

tnx. i've been introduced to Baudrillard, im excited to follow his writings. more power to you.

Way to go man, great content. Would you ever create a video on the relationship between theology and philosophical postmodernism? I have no idea if there even is any philosophers who tacle this topic, but a video giving religion a postmodern perspective would be interesting. Cheers, keep up the great work!

I just wanted to add that the sequels are not what the creators of the film planned to do initially. They wanted it to end with Neo realizing that their "real world" is also a matrix and that it's all a recursive loop with no final escape.

@samwellick1706

2 жыл бұрын

How? Coz that concept could only be imagined with the 2nd movie ending. The first doesn't point to that at all

man thank you for this! comes extremely on time, as I am writing my bachelor thesis on that subject.

Man! You deserve so many more likes, views, and subs. Thank you for your work

So uh...if Jean is so interested in a Matrix movie about the two worlds "colliding," why didn't he bother to watch the sequels? That's exactly what happens - the "desert of the real" is revealed to be another level of control; the "resistors" of Zion are, in fact, inside the Matrix just as surely as if they were still plugged in. It strikes me that the Wachowskis were quite conscious of the binary system created by the first film, and actively worked in the sequels to upset those "hollywood" style expectations the binary Human v. Machine scenario evoked. The sequels could quite easily be read as a critique of the "Democrat v. Republican" false dichotomy mentioned in the video - trying to solve the unbalanced equation of the Matrix and move beyond the continually recurring cycle of false revolt. So, while much of the analysis of the video was quite interesting, since nothing is said of the other 2/3 of the trilogy - philosophically the most interesting parts of the work and both still pretty good films in their own right - I'm left a little disappointed by the conclusion to the video.

@fukuu7998

4 жыл бұрын

I scrolled down to see if maybe he responded to this later in the video. :"(

@josephwallace202

4 жыл бұрын

Baudrillard is an old-ass man who makes his living in and is primarily interested by academic matters. After being driven away by the outcome of the first film, what do you honestly think were the odds that he'd have come back for the next two?

@Disentropic1

4 жыл бұрын

He mentioned in the video that Baudrillard was offered to get involved with the sequels. This was when he turned them down. It seems probable that he told them why he was dissatisfied with the first film, and this led to the difference you're talking about in the sequels. And, I mean, those movies aren't really culturally relevant imo.

@two_owls

4 жыл бұрын

@@josephwallace202 He makes his living engaging with and critiquing pop culture. I don't think it's too much to expect him to, like, actually imbibe the stuff he's writing about. Age is no excuse - the great historian Will Durant was still engaging with contemporary authors into his 80s.

@JebeckyGranjola

4 жыл бұрын

"Matrix sequels? Typical Hollywood, always pumping out remakes and sequels. They will probably reboot it in 20 years" - Jean reddit' Baudrillard, for Le Temps Romanesque Nouveau magazine 1999.

7:25 This is basically Raiden's story from MGS2. You should play that game, if you haven't yet, the premise is around this one topic. I could see you making a good video around that as well. Love your work, keep it up.

@ifyouknowyouknow6964

4 жыл бұрын

Helder Pinto what is that

@theshaolin2391

4 жыл бұрын

@@ifyouknowyouknow6964 Metal Gear Solid 2

Would love you to do an analysis of Fight Club which, I think, inexorably intertwines with your excellent (and ongoing) discussion on the themes of postmodernist theory and on postmodernism as a historical condition 🤷‍♂️

Found your channel today... Amazing content. Subbed!

I'd love to help you create Spanish subtitles for your videos. I know a lot of people who would be interested in your channel but don't understand English.

@igorduric837

4 жыл бұрын

I'd be happy to help with the Serbian/ Croatian as well. This content is awesome!

@Domew4

4 жыл бұрын

@@igorduric837 its called Bosnian language and not serbo-croatian

@igorduric837

4 жыл бұрын

@@Domew4 I didn't mean to write serbian-croatian at all. I meant I can make both serbian and croatian subtitles. "Bosnian" language doesn't really exist, being even more ephemeral than croatian. I wrote it like that since more people call it croatian than serbian. You can check Noam Chomsky's analysis of this, who is a renowned linguist and says that all offshoots of serbian language (which include croatian and bosnian) are artificially created. Many words have been invented just so they can be different from their serbian counterparts. In any case, everyone understood what I meant with the original comment.

@rodrigomedeirosdasilva6915

4 жыл бұрын

He has to enable the option for each video individually, probably forgot about enabling it for this one.

@MrSuperAlexius

4 жыл бұрын

@@igorduric837 Exactly. The reason we seperate these languages in the first place is purely political and holds no linguistic merit. Bas mi je drago da hoces da napravis title za njega!

You said you were going to call him Jean but you couldn't help yourself.

Thanks for thia video, and especially for mentioning and explaining other important figures, like Jorge Borges. I am thinking about reading this book by Baudrillard. I'm afraid though that it is overly intellectual for me, and that I will not be able to understand it fully. But I think it's a kind of book that every retrospective person should read. Books like this open our mind and help us interpretate the world around us on a much larger scale. It is not another science-fiction book, not another horror book. It'a a work of an enlightened man. And I will definitely give this book a try! Thanks again!

Very well done with this video. This is great stuff!

There something palpably ironic and reasserting in the "red pill", the inciting object of a post-structuralist critique, being adopted as the metaphor for becoming a reactionary who typically rejects even understanding post-modernism

@salamimami7720

4 жыл бұрын

All the pills are blue

@ImpulseGenerator

4 жыл бұрын

you could say these people cuck themselves

The ending of Philip K. Dick's Ubik is clever take on collision of real and simulated.

@FluffyKedderang

4 жыл бұрын

I had a friend give me a sizable collection of Dick's work (phrasing) and Ubix was one of the stand outs. Reading so much of his work leads me to believe two things... Phillip hated his wife almost as much as he loved amphetamines

So glad to have found your channel.

Truly one of your best videos

I swear I thought to myself this very question while I was vacuuming the backseat of my car earlier today

There's a common theory that the so-called "Real World" in the Matrix is actually just another layer of simulation - hence why Neo can still use his powers in the "real world" in the sequels. The line between the real and simulated might not be as clear as the first movie suggests.

@LeifLovebug

4 жыл бұрын

I think that's a kind of recurring theme, of the reality and rebellious purpose they think they're a part of being "just another system of control", or just another "simulation" being used to placate the human minds. This was very clear in Neo's meeting with the Architect and how "the One" functions within the broader system of the Matrix. It seems entirely fitting in the narrative that both the Matrix and "real world" we see in the movies are all just part of the same simulation designed to placate even the most rebellious brains.

@Etern1tyGR

4 жыл бұрын

@@braydensmith7362 Well, so far computer simulations are needed to simulate alternative lifes. Instagram, Facebook, Twitch etc. One service pops after another. Its not that digital second lifes are on decline and the real upper simulation of uneeded computerism is revealed. Not at all. We live in the opposite of what you try to suggest as current status quo. The brothers foresaw that, their whole industrial goth trans lifestyle was exactly that nevertheless. This is what post structuralists couldn't grasp, if humans start simulate their lifes or their signs of perception are blurred by routined simulated tasks of simulated life, they will surely reach a state where they would want to create a digital simulation. The case then goes back to structuralism, the very idea destructionalists rejected. We can see this clearly on Animatrix, the real world used machines as labor force which lead humans to easy lazy simulated lifestyles which also lead to their demise: a digital simulation where only 1% rejects. This was the proof that structures that simulate life sooner or later emerge and the depiction in the Matrix is accurate.

@TulilaSalome

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, this is really the only thing that could save the films from their own existential hole they dug themselves into; but the Wachowski's do not agree on this interpretation. But see 'death of the author' for reference...

@W1ndF4lc0n

4 жыл бұрын

It's more complicated than simply assuming the real world of the Matrix is just another simulation, because the Matrix films are also a cyberpunk trilogy, and when analyzed through a cyberpunk perspective you can account for everything Neo does in the real world without it needing to be a simulation. Of course, the whole question of whether the simulation has more levels or not is what make the films great, a definitive answer in either direction would make them lesser.

@McDonaldsCalifornia

4 жыл бұрын

@@braydensmith7362 the controlled opposition theory for matrix could be seen as a simulation without computers though. Sure there is a code/script but Zion might as well be in the real world and not simulated in a computer yet still be a part of the simulation that is called the rebellion.

All of this really goes back to the greek notion of prosopeion: the persona. Nietzsche referred to it as the "mask." I'm new here, and I'm really liking your channel.

I can only assume Baudrillard suddenly loved The Matrix when Morpheus says "Is this real?" towards the end

Funny at 13:50 he says that the distinction between the matrix and Zion '' the reality '' is clear, when in fact Zion is another simulation for people who rejects the matrix. In the trilogy it is clear that Neo has powers and can even see the codes out of the matrix (when he is blind in the third movie). The machines have created a system of infinite layers of reality. Baudrillard seems to trash a movie he did not completely understand.

@gilbertwilliams7256

4 жыл бұрын

Even if you escape the cave the surface prospective is just another illusion of the matrix or simulation.

@jeremyst-amant953

4 жыл бұрын

@@gilbertwilliams7256 yes, exactly !

@charles-camillesaint-saens4517

3 жыл бұрын

Zion was only revealed to be a simulation in the second movie tho. I believe his review was written before the sequels.

@miguelpatrick79

3 жыл бұрын

@@charles-camillesaint-saens4517 zion is not another simulation beacuse the people there are bound by real life limits.the only reason neo had powers outside the matrix is because he was born with the code the oracle explained his powers reach outside the matrix and the architect explained also. he carried the prime code

@charles-camillesaint-saens4517

3 жыл бұрын

@@miguelpatrick79 nonono. baudrillard doesn’t mean simulation in the “virtual reality” sense. You cannot “plug” yourself in and out of a simulation. That’s what baudrillards critique was about: the fact that the Matrix’ depiction of simulation was too reductive and black and white. Baudy would go so far as to say our entire notion of reality is a simulation. It’s really difficult to tell whether or not you’re in a simulation, since there is no “real” to reference (our reality/simulation is hyperreal or “realer than real” - constant connection via Television and social media -, thus, “Welcome to the desert of the Real”). So Zion being a fake safe haven for those freed from the matrix, it is in fact a simulation, since in the second movie, the architect reveals Zion to be in its sixth iteration.

It was pretty neat, 9/10 - Jean Baudrillard on Letterboxed

Fascinating!!! Thank you very much for your analytic, informative video+ your pronunciation of Baudrillard is correct!

This video is 4 weeks old, but I recently viewed the Joker and my mind was relentlessly barraged with symbolism and psycho-philosophical themes. I really hope that film will be the subject of one of your later videos, because I would highly appreciate and value your analysis of it. Thank you!

"losing the 100 years war proves that the English language is superior" - Stephan "Bestiny" Bonnelloux iv

I think the idea of the “original” is laden with logical fallacies and how do we even know there is such a thing? Humans simulated things for all their existence, thats what what we are adapted to do. That’s how we actually survived.

@Kyradical

2 жыл бұрын

At a basic level, that's kind of exactly what Baudrillard argues, as I understand it. The problem of simulating and simulating and simulating deeper and deeper, destabilises the certainty of any knowledge or "universal truth"

This is amazing. Great work!

Wonderful exposition, thoroughly enjoyed this.

Jorge Luis Borges was more of a Magcial Realist writer than absurdist, but other than that great video

@fallen0851

4 жыл бұрын

Ivan d'Chomas He referred to him as a surrealist, if I remember correctly.

@tlacaelelgarcia8578

4 жыл бұрын

Not every Latin American writer was a Magical Realist, I would consider him to be more close to Kafka than to García Marquez really.

@blehbleh9283

4 жыл бұрын

He writes metaphysical mysteries

@JebeckyGranjola

4 жыл бұрын

I tend to think of him as more of a pedantic writer. Oh wait, no. That's the op ;)

@eliasE989

4 жыл бұрын

The Bookchemist made a good vid about Magical realism. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lXaL27apYrGcfbw.html&

The real mindfuck is that the Wachowski Brothers each went through a sex/gender change at different times, and became the Wachowski Sisters. If one of them did that, I would just accept it and not really think about it... a certain portion of the population decides to do that these days. But BOTH, at different times, and they are this famous movie making duo... what a singular and unique situation. Weird, man!

@lsb2623

4 жыл бұрын

@Teflon Don Franco I don't know the reason. Different people have different reasons. The first one who did it was also involved with a full time dominatrix person, so sexuality was a component. But again, I have no problem with alternative lifestyles as long as nobody is bothering me! I just hope they are happy. It is a weird situation to me though.

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Excellent presentation. Well done, impressed me

23:56 "The Matrix 4 has been announced shortly after this video topic was picked, showing the Simulation at work... _(It will be interesting how - if at all - it will tackle the theory this time.)_ " ;P

a nice example of the simulation and simulated coming together / collapsing in on each other is World On A Wire, Fassbinders adaptation of novel Simulacron-3

Wow I really enjoyed this analysis, explication, and video. Thank you! I just subscribed.

This essay has influenced me greatly since I first saw it last year. Thank you for your great work!

Marx was not an Economic determinist. He Criticized political economy he did not label it the sole determinant.

@CautiousKieran

4 жыл бұрын

Isn't his whole theory of history based on the idea that its driven by class struggle; determined by different economic conditions? My understanding of historical materialism is that economics very much is labelled as the sole (or at least main) determinant.

@JebeckyGranjola

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but they are using determined in the philosophy sense that basically has the common meaning of "predetermined".

@jonasceikaCCK

4 жыл бұрын

I wasn't implying he was, sorry if it came across that way. I was only comparing his idea of money as the universal equivalent to Baudrillard's idea of the sign.

@reneperez2126

4 жыл бұрын

if you claim production relations is the most important element in society so that if you want to bring about equality and justice you gotta to change these very relations, if you claim production relations have always existed even without the primitives knowing it ,if you consider labor to be the history driving force, well if that does not count as an economic determinist i dont know what economic determinist is for you

@Semqualidades

4 жыл бұрын

@@CautiousKieran Historical materialism isn't a form of economic determinism and the economic conditions are not the sole determinants of all the social phenomena. Economic factors (means of production, property relations, technological development (even the degree of applied scientific knowledge can be viewed as a material force according to Harvey.) are the most relevant factors that regulate social metabolism, acording to Marx, but surely not exclusive ones. Besides that, between the economic base and "superstructure" (ethics, law, political views, class representations) we do not have a one-way relation of mechanic determination. I'm not making a defense of Marx, but doing justice to his thinking, as hes one of the most falsified authors in history.

funny thing. The Matrix is now the first thing the average person thinks of when imagining living on a simulation, regardless how old the theory is and wether it was iterated in fiction before. With enough thought one could get to understand the particularities of what is meant to live in a world of simulations, and juxtapose your person in the space of said world. Yet, The Matrix has a presence as a rock that blocks the current of the possibility of such thoughts. Its firm positioning in the flow of media in the sociocultural sphere on a world wide level is so ingrained that it ironically becomes what it was trying to depict in its movie. People will think of the Matrix first and simulation second. I for one have spoken up how the creation of personal reality simulations might be the best possible outcome of mankinds evolution alongside more powerful entities like AIs. Regardless that I make a good argument or not, the starting point is always that I leaning towards a darker side and willing to give up on life. I am met with *NAH MAN YOU GOTTA GET OUT OF THE MATRIX* I think the use of simulation is more sophisticated in one of Stanisław Lem-s novels. I think it was called The Congress in english but I am not sure.

@TheClassicWorld

4 жыл бұрын

Spoken like a true post-modernist/Marxist.

@josflorida5346

2 жыл бұрын

Thing is if your willing to leave society behind don't be surprised when society leaves you behind first. This is why people don't trust Marxists. 🙄 I'm curious about the future of evolution but not willing to lose everything for it in the simulation

Fantastic video. Especially that last line, which feels especially relevant with the first half of The Matrix Resurrections

Good information. You should always do a video on Sophia Stewart, she also included the matrix.

I'm so early!! 😂🤷🏼‍♂️😍 This topic is what led me to your channel, talk about synchronicity

Did you get a better microphone? Sounds a lot better

@juangalobiset925

4 жыл бұрын

He cleared his throat

@hardcorepanzy

4 жыл бұрын

I honestly kinda miss the lofi charm of his old sound

@LithiumAndDietSoda

4 жыл бұрын

It still sounds rough tbh getting better tho

@jonasceikaCCK

4 жыл бұрын

I did! Glad it's at least a little bit better

@lutherblissett9070

4 жыл бұрын

@@hardcorepanzy same

I love your videos, they are always so interesting

Great video! Very informative and well done; no bs!

The criticism is terminally redundant - Movies, television and all dramatic arts exaggerate symbols and their contrasts in order to create them in the first place. In fact is that not the basis of Baudrillard’ idea? So, criticising the Matrix for not making them indistinguishable is an ironic demand. In fact the Matrix is simulation/simulacra of Baudrillard’ simulation and simulacra, if it is not sufficiently indistinguishable from simulation and simulacra, then the problem is actually with the theory, by definition.

@punjab135

4 жыл бұрын

@@braydensmith7362 Are you able to expand on that a bit pls?

@michaelnice93

4 жыл бұрын

The value of J.B.’s work and the Matrix films as well as Po-Mo in general is as a negation. Similar to the Hindu Neti-Neti not this not that observation. This is not real and that is not real. The difficulty or problem with all this is there are no positive proclamations to be made. It sounds deep but it’s pretty dumb, akin to turtles all the way down. We are all ignorant, so what is to be our response to this predicament?

@KravMagoo

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelnice93 Yeah...the reason the first two movies are generally "liked" more than the last one is because humans have an almost universal inability to comprehend "a satisfying end"...

I'm planning to read Baudrillard some day, but my list of readings isn't getting shorter so who knows how long that will take. So I wondered if you could answer a question: Baudrillard says that we can no longer seperate reality from simulation, but it the way you tell it it sounds like that has only recently become impossible. Does Baudrillard believe that the ancient greeks were truly able to make such distinctions or does he just think that the "objectivity" (in lack of a better term) of ancient greek philosophy was merely a myth? According to Derrida, "reality" (don't know the correct english term, the literal translation from german would be "origin" but that doesn't feel right) has always been lost and never could be expressed. I hope I got my point across and I'd love an answer. Greatly enjoyed the video, keep up the good work!

@JK-we4wh

4 жыл бұрын

yes, I think B is saying that the lines have only recently become completely blurred. I think your second sentence however is a non-sequitor, because it does not necessarily follow. Simulation itself is nothing new and has existed throughout time, but it was not as omnipresent as it is today. I am not sure if ancient greeks were even familiar with the idea of simulations as B understands them. The Platonic Cave, as correctly explained in the vid, is not the same as Baudrillardian simulation. There is a fitting analogy in the book: There is a sick man, and an actor. The actor is merely acting sick. If you look behind his act, and uncover the truth, you'd realize he is pretending. This is akin to the platonic cave. However, in simulation: There is a sick man, and an actor. The actor internalizes his act, the sickness, so much that he starts showing symptoms of the actual disease. It is now no longer relevant whether he is actually sick or not. The underlying truth was destroyed, no doctor could ever tell the simulant from the sick, because his symptoms have become real to us. This is also the difference between the Matrix and B, or between Elon Musk's reductive idea of simulation, and B's idea of simulation. Some alien race inventing a computer program to simulate our experience still has a very grounded reality: That of the creator. In B's mind however the original truth has long been erased. Cuck's video conveys this well with the "simulation of the simulation" - the teenager and the romance movies. I hope this helps with understanding the distinction! Have a nice day :)

@R0DisG0D

4 жыл бұрын

@@JK-we4wh Yes, I get that. In my mind, I'm comparing the idea to Derridas idea of a différance, where the "original" truth has always been erased (or rather has disappeared). This disappearance of the original truth is build into language itself. The question is, if simulation has always existed, what role did it play in ancient greece? Just because they weren't aware of the concept doesn't mean simulations back then didn't also make it impossible to observe an original truth. If simulations didn't prevent the observation of original truths back than, wouldn't that mean that up to a certain point in time, metaphysical philosophy was able to objectively uncover truth and that it only recently has become impossible? And if not, what is the qualitative difference between then and now, if not the possibility of observing something original?

Excellent video, and I really appreciate your tenacity in properly pronouncing words in other languages.

Finally someone is crediting the true inspiration for this film and not booming Plato!!! (A bug bear of mine for some time now) We could apply all of this to the world we have created on social media - particularly how politics is played across these platforms. Excellent video Chuck. I'm glad you made this before I had too.