When asked about the matrix, baudrillard said "'The Matrix' is exactly the sort of film about the matrix that the matrix would produce"

@vl8962

10 ай бұрын

It's the illusion of duality and of a savior.

@NEORIPPEROFCONSTRUCTS

5 ай бұрын

Before I even heard this “ quote “ lmao I thought the same thing 😂😂😂

@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVici

17 күн бұрын

Baudrillard hated the matrix movie and felt the producers completely missed the point of his book

So basically this episode is the simulation of Jean Baudrillard's book.

@helloInternets

4 жыл бұрын

Baudrillard would say that his own book is the simulation of his own book.

@kyotog777

4 жыл бұрын

exactly

@andrewryan2814

3 жыл бұрын

I listened to an audiobook of an a.i. voice reading the book, a Simulacra reading a Simulation

@susanmcdonald9088

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, you might find this 1993 teaching company lecture far more relevant! Dr Rick Roderick, d. 1997. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZIltua-fpLmaYMY.html

@andrewryan2814

3 жыл бұрын

@@susanmcdonald9088 Solid recommendation, after watching it I second Susan's opinon

This view of life is terrifying. It's hit me like a smack to the face. Is this the life I'm living?! How depressing.

This very complex idea was explained PERFECTLY!! You’re a natural teacher, and have a new subscriber!

Baudrillard was spot on, however his ideas go far deeper than just to describe postmodern capitalism. They are a description of human consciousness itself. As you said in the beginning of the video it starts with language. Words are symbols and therefore language can already be interpreted as a collection of simulacra in itself. A simple timeless example of this can be the abstract idea of "god" or even a much more simple and practical term like "chair" for example: Let us assume I am telling you a story involving my "chair" at home. My usage of the word "chair" could be a stage one simulacrum, meaning that it refers to a real object. However, the image you get in your mind as result of hearing me talk about my chair is most probably entirely different from mine and does not at all correlate with reality anymore. Maybe what I called a "chair" in the first place is not even "really" a chair, so the use of the linguistic symbol "chair" is already completely robbed of its original meaning. Here is another simple but telling example of my own native language: the German word for "confidence" is "Selbstbewusstsein", which literally means "self-awareness". It is not far-fetched to assume that at some point in time when the term was coined, people understood confidence as the result of being aware of yourself or at least that it has something to do with being self-aware. However, nowadays the vast majority of people do not even think of the word like that. They do not even relate the term "Selbstbewusstsein" to being aware of oneself but instead they relate the word to people who are brave or socially competent, even though the people they are describing could be obviously oblivious of anything at all, including themselves. The word has essentially become deprived of meaning and people do not even recognize its original meaning anymore but have a very vague and abstract idea of what the term actually symbolizes. In the post-modern world through the constant addition of new linguistic concepts and by rebranding words and retelling ideas every symbol becomes entirely meaningless. Think of timely topics like "gender" or politics. Even symbols that used to be simple descriptions like "man" or "woman" get reinterpreted, reframed and ultimately deconstructed in a society that confuses meaning and reality with the linguistic symbols that define them. A word like "fascist" gets thrown around willy-nilly and the reality that the symbol once referred to becomes entirely misunderstood and shrouded by a mist of meaninglessness or general confusion. We are balls-deep in ever-increasingly meaningless linguistic symbols.

@uhuhno6441

Жыл бұрын

Holy shitballs, wer bist Du? Wo gibt's mehr von Deiner Sorte? Ich bin hier seit fast 35 Jahren alleine zwischen Fleischbots und Gruppenidentitäten auf Beinen. Wenn Du mir jetzt sagst, dass Du das Wort "squirrel" korrekt aussprechen kannst, weine ich.

@christiangennari

29 күн бұрын

I am impressed. I was feeling the vibe of this being anthropology more than anything else the entire time I was listening and I believe you made me understand why. Without simulacra we would not be able to communicate with each other in an effective way. Each time i wanted to talk about a chair, i would have to drag you to the chair, point at it and make you experience the chair. Simulacra solves this by copying the chair and transmitting it through words, in a way which is much more prone to manipulation than one instinctively thinks.

I've immersed myself in Taoism and Buddhism recently, and they are very aware of the "image" and reality. Meditation itself is grounding you in reality, and releasing all symbols. Thank you for this great video.

@user-bf1lr6pq9y

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck with your journey. Chage it self is inevitable

@jackri7676

3 жыл бұрын

release yourself from the spooks

@jillishan

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. I find labeling whilst meditation helps bring me to a sense of reality. Eg. labeling breathing, blinking, thinking, seeing, hearing. This and nothing more.

@debbieolson5348

6 ай бұрын

I gave up meditation. Now I just notice what I notice.

@LONDONFIELDS2001

4 ай бұрын

Buddhism - especially Zen - is a very powerful antitode and guiding hand in "seeing through the game" of this manic, fragmented society. Avoid the strands of Buddhism though that deals with certainty. The path never ends. It's impossible for it to end. Good luck!

27:24 - 27:48. Holy cow, beautifully said. A great way to explain people just gobbling up cable news like potato chips.

Now, the idea about Simulacra and Simulation isn't the impetus behind The Matrix as much as Simulacra and Simulation is demonstrated. When Neo's copy of the book isn't a book at all. It is a hollowed out hiding place for his secret stuff. The book - Simulacra and Simulation - becomes only symbol of what it once was. When something once important, becomes only a symbol of itself. The original importance and meaning gets blurred and then eventually lost. What is left is visual images who's purposes and meanings are ambiguous or unknown.

@platoniczombie

4 жыл бұрын

Except it wasn't a real book. The example only works if that symbol replaces the original symbol and become the new original.

@MysticZefer

4 жыл бұрын

You are correct this is exactly the symbolism. The book itself is a simulacra.

@gregoryleonwatson8631

4 жыл бұрын

@@MysticZefer What do you think about the Bible in terms of Baudrillard ? I think the bible is a perfect example of Simulacra and Simulation. We only have copies of copies. We don't know who the authorship belongs to. Now we see detailed bible stories in even more ancient philosophies found in Hinduism, Zoroastrianism and found on Sumerian Tablets. This clearly shows plagiarism. Yet, today, the literal meaning of the bible - verbatim - is held to such a high standard. Whereas the deepest meaning beneath the word of Christ is allegoric and routinely missed - as intended.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregoryleonwatson8631 "as intended" ?

@martinansell2105

2 жыл бұрын

@@REDPUMPERNICKEL as intended indeed, so that changing the detail of the words would not change the hidden allegory.

This episode is amazing. Thank you for providing such valuable content and feeding my thurst for knowledge! It would be cool if you have playlists about a single subject, era or philosopher. That way we can binge listen to more episodes and grasp the full depth of the topic and also you'll get more watch time. Keep up the wonderful work :)

Highly underrated channel... As a philosophy major and someone who finds great value in the subject and the passion it inspires in me, I can only say that I'm grateful for what you do. I hope you grow and succeed so I can continue to enjoy your content. I'm subbing now, and commenting because I value this from top to bottom.

I agree with Kara Bench, you are an excellent teacher. I have just been introduced to Baudrillard. You made it palatable and relatively easy to understand. Thank you so much. Now I have to listen to all the rest. :)

Beautiful and accessible podcast. Thank you very much.

Well explained. This is my first video on this channel and I am subscribing. The whole idea of control and programming the mind is an old one. To escape the "matrix" is to discover the wrong belief system you held as truth. Not easy.

I especially liked how the video cuts off during the word 'listening' in the closing phrase "thank you for listening". Really jarred me out of my simulation of intellectual stimulation.

I've been through 5 of these in a row now. And more than one of them almost made my jaw drop.

Just found this out and loved it. Great video and thanks for sharing it

Thank you very much for an impressively informative presentation, complex yet clear.

Nice job. A great jump into a great read.

Thank you of this. I've been trying to find a good explanation for my peers. This helps.

Your channel is incredible. I feel like a friend explaining it to me in a pub. You have that blend of authority combined with the wish to explain. I can tell you know your onions. You're doing a massive service. Well done!

Thanks for the upload love this channel 🙏❤

brilliant ! thank you for creating this!

Awesome, thoughtful, mind shocking explanations. Thank you!

the note you ended on made me laugh out loud, great content thanks!

AWESOME WORK BRO PLEASE POST MOR FREQUENTLY FEED ME KNOWLEDGE

LOVE this episode! Wow.

Thank you for making this

Glad to spend 30 mins on this..really good stuff

“You are what you buy.” Oh god?! That’s terrifying. Everything we buy is a symbol or metaphor for the “real thing”. We don’t buy horses we plastic molds of fast things. We don’t often buy food (berries, nuts, wild game) we buy edible products cookie cut from domesticated molds of real animals/plants. In a way all the things we buy are a rejection of what is for what we feel ought to be. We are a near hairless space ape whirling on a rock around a sun being pulled through eternity into a singularity and we are completely helpless; BUT we feel we ought to be a well dressed, shame filled, responsible, powerful, seeker of enlightenment to realize, partake, and “win” the game of reality based on (insert religion of choice). We buy things to become what we feel we are not, namely whole or complete as the frail, temporary, uninformed thing falling into the unknown. We’re an animal that forgot how to be.

@uhuhno6441

Жыл бұрын

Sad yes.

This was truly amazing and explained so well with excellent examples. And I have just started reading and learning about postmodernism and it takes a while to make. cense partially many don’t define terms, or just explain their beliefs without a good explanation or frame of reference. Their are important things to be learned here and some valuable insights that many people should understand. But so often these thinkers swallow a dictionary of the most complex words and barf out the most complex long word salads you ever want to see. It’s like their saying we’re the smartest people that ever lived and want to make sure what we let you know it by being comes, obtuse and use symbols which are so obscure that there is no clear referent. Resulting in something other than the intended meaning copies of copies of the real becoming simulation faster than other simulations, so very few get the message. So they have contributed to the obsolescence of their own thought.

Listened to this over 4 days , in bits. Learned something new.

There's a lot in this that Baudrillard would reject but it's a good intro

Thank you so much for sharing this.

Thank you for your clear explanation. I now feel I can explain it to others.

I came here because of the Matrix and I'm really glad I did. You have new one subscriber. ❤️

Great presentation removing quite a bit of the common obscurity that encompasses Baudrillard’s idea.

In my simulation, this was fantastic. Thank you 😍

thanks for this information.

Good work!

6:03 "How does this fragmented society look like?" Seems to me we are about to find this out right now

Nicely put.

thank you for this video.

this was so helpful

I will have to read this philosopher more thoroughly, I can see now that I've judged postmodernist and thought too quickly, there seems to be more underneath the rocks to explore, ready the spade and dig

@Enzaio

4 жыл бұрын

I'd recommend Rick Roderick's lecture series "The Self Under Siege", which you can find on KZread. The last lecture is about Baudrillard.

@Animalis_Mundana

2 жыл бұрын

Reign of quantity by rene guenon is a bit more to the heart.

11:11 "What if we can't see the world for what it really is?" When you learn science, starting from physics, chemistry, biology, evolution, neurology, psychology, economy, sociology and geopolitics, an overall picture begins to crystalize. Information technology can be used to help you understand it. The only part that it can't do, is to think for you. And that's where your disappointment resides.

07:30 - Just so you're tracking, the original script that was written had a different plot device. The human mind was a good processor or something so they daisy-chain network the human mind and the machines utilize that. However, environmentalism was a big trend at the time and the studio wanted it switched to "the human body has energy" which was pretty dumb. Good podcast!

So essentially we're back to Plato's cave.

@psychicbloodbrother

4 жыл бұрын

Terrified of the truth and the responsibility of freedom.

@CinereousDove

4 жыл бұрын

Na, we don't all see the same simulations, they are also not necessarily shadows of "something". Aaand most importantly noone can leave - ever.

@danilthorstensson8902

3 жыл бұрын

Except there's no "outside the cave"

@andrew_owens7680

3 жыл бұрын

@@danilthorstensson8902 Well there is. For example, one could go off the grid and survive in nature. But that is too scary a thought for most, just like the denizens of Plato's cave.

@oflameo8927

3 жыл бұрын

No, it is worse than that.

another episode great thanks

Thank you for your help

Thank you for this great video. It definitely helps me furher in understanding his work. The only thing I have trouble relating Baudrillard's work to is your descriptions of the fragmentation of identities and sociality/cultural/narratives. I understand your video might serve more as an intro, so that could explain why I'm confused, but when I read Baudrillard I see him repeatedly talking about the 'implosion of meaning', where all different ways of understanding reality (such as subjects like economics, politics and culture) mix together. He also speaks of a flattening/saturizing/singularizing of meaning, and the creation of a single language (these terms stem mainly from his subchapter on advertisement). I'm not quite sure how to merge this with your comments that post-modern identity is deconstructed/fragmented (12:37), and that there's a lack of a master narrative (29;08). I think you might speak a bit more literally, as in, we do not have a singular identity/story, and Baudrillard might mean the flattening of reality and unification of language, less as one hegemonic thought, but more of a grand abundance of signs and their consequential weakening and spoiling. I will read onwards and find out. Once again thank you for the great video.

i´ve been anxious about this for a long time, and when i was watching this magnificent explanation of my problem, i made myself the idea that the episode would end with a good point that maybe puts a solution to my anxiety, but what i found out is that i am right been anxious about the relativity of Ideas and that i better stop being political for some time until i am ready to get back into the friend circles i am now. I think its a good time to read sitting on a bench at the park like old people... #iam22andthisdeep

@rapisode1

3 жыл бұрын

The relativity of ideas is exactly the door to your freedom, you just walked past it.

@contentinternational

3 жыл бұрын

r/sorceryofthespectacle is your friend

@0000i1

9 ай бұрын

I see what you mean, I was on a political/philosophy binge for a while during the pandemic and it warped my perception of people. While a lot of this stuff is true, it doesn’t change the fact that people are people who are shaped by their experiences. But what if they’re all simulated experiences manufactured by corporations and algorithms? It doesn’t matter, like the theory suggests, there’s a point where the simulation is just real, and is reflective of the state of the world. A lot of people worship corporations (Disney, Nike, etc) but at its core they’re worshipping the symbol, a symbol which has some connection to their personal life, experience, and needs, which at the end of the day is very human and real. This is 3 years later I hope you’re doing better

@debbieolson5348

6 ай бұрын

The whole 2020-2023 Medical/political/right versus left media narratives have actually caused families to disintegrate because people were so focused on the “correctness” of their narratives. The left media is still trying to prove that Trump is the wicked orange bad man….

sublime.

It took awhile for another episode, but this is beautifully presented and intellectually stimulating. The quality is more important than quantity. Thanks Stephen!

@strangerontheinternet3074

5 жыл бұрын

Jose Guerrero Neri intellectually simulating*

@mattslatt4025

5 жыл бұрын

@@strangerontheinternet3074 i see what you did there

My parents gave me lots of shit advice as I was growing up, as well as many narrow minded and bigoted views. They did, however, give me ONE good advice that stood out: question everything.

@aurora9252

3 жыл бұрын

Lol that's great

@gigz-econ5625

2 жыл бұрын

Me too and I get so much shit for it these days

You are awesome!

Thank you, another informative video. To continue with the Matrix example, it would be interesting to hear an episode from you of a philosopher describing how one goes about taking the red pill “reality”.

@richardmacken1157

5 жыл бұрын

Trauma aka revelation. The other option is through deductive logic. I.e synthesis of deep experience and reason- both come in degrees and no man is infinite therefore we just get nearer to reality without ever reaching it. Comparatively, though you will be far from the cave in which you were born. Don't forget once Neo leaves the matrix, he joins another hierarchy (another cave). It's an infinite series never-ending and nonlinear. You just gain a new boundary as your breakthrough.

There is a mistake in your reading of Baudrillard. In his work there is no real any more, so in that sense people don't really have the choice between the simulation and the "real". Cheers and thanks for the videos.

@thatguynicky1979

3 жыл бұрын

But, isn't the non-real, REAL in itself? For the people in the matrix, it's not a choice, it is forced. But the struggle that ensues from being forced, that struggle IS REAL. Perhaps the very concept of Simulacra is false. JB makes the case that nothing anymore is actually real, yet everything we experience is a REAL experience (at least to us), but if everything is fake, then everything is actually real. Unless, well, unless JB and the rest of us all have it inverted. The current sentiment is that Artificial Intelligence was first developed by humans, but what if WE are the simulated intelligence, what if WE ARE THE ARTIFICIAL. JB is definitely going there, but I think the entomology of how he gets there himself, is not quite deep enough. I'm saying that, if he starts from the concept that "robots" (AI, COMPUTERS, MACHINES, ETC...) have always been here first, and they in fact created us as algorithms, his philosophy might've taken a whole new direction. I tend to agree with much of the thinking of philosophers like JB, but ALL philosophers are already fully immersed into simulation and simulacra, as we all are. So if everything is a simulation, the next question is to find out what we have been simulated from.. Here's a quick thought experiment about this to help consider this further: you are a person that has never read a single word, but here you sit, observing a person that is reading a book. Now the marks on the paper called letters, when arranged together, these letters form words, and words form thoughts, and thoughts form concepts, and concepts form all types of abstractions and realities. But you can't read, so instead, you must listen, you must trust who reads the content of the book, and then you must trust the book, but then you'll need to trust the author, the publisher, the binder, the printer, e.t.c... All you want is some basic info, but now, what's left is mostly just abstract. Everything is simulated. The books, the words, the concepts, it's all just shadows of the unknown. To learn anything, is to simulate it in your head first, but then even learning is a simulation... Perhaps, not being able to read, actually helps to keep you REAL, as you have not been programmed by books. If everything is a SIMULATION, then I might conclude that it is actually REALITY instead. As a result, philosophies that start from the inverted entomology, might be more effective in exposing reality. Reality is a simulation, simulacras are simulations, and all together they create the real. The human mind needs not differentiate existential reality from existential simulation, as they are apparently the same thing. I think what JB has done, is confused existential reality with general reality, which I register as a fatal flaw, or perhaps a dead end. Either way, the concepts S&S brings forward, are an important step in realizing many realities, or simulations.

@TheAlison1456

3 жыл бұрын

How do I (and you) know your proposed correction is not mistaken?

@OjoRojo40

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAlison1456 Because it's what Baudrillard said in his interview with "Le nouvelle observateur" just google it. Cheers!

@Mr0rris0

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatguynicky1979 red berries, monkey see monkey do. The gods must be crazy. Its all copies of this primordial nuclear moment. After enough of that business and eye witness accounts ontop of the ensuing explanations you have copies of people doing philosophy and dropping meta fire of the gods and assorted apples of knowledge. Seems the whole racket is a megalomaniacal eminence front. Im gonna try having no answers and see how that goes

@Mr0rris0

2 жыл бұрын

Suppose the gods must be crazy is about polarizing or bifurcation maybe. A sort of catalyst for sides or camps and everything that comes from that leading to paradigm shifts and the inability to truly articulate the last one while essentially doing the same thing with a revamped take on a dead mans fire of the gods

That ending is kind of depressing

@gravitasonline6760

5 жыл бұрын

C'est la vie

@MichaelReed609

5 жыл бұрын

Life is depressing. Anyone who denies that is diluted. Doesn't mean we can't get laid or enjoy some beer along the way. But we know it deep down. Suicide is acceptance.

@scruff8072

4 жыл бұрын

He could've ended with a punchline like "...Happy Christmas"

@ZiqM4

4 жыл бұрын

oh, haven't we all heard that before :)

@septopia

4 жыл бұрын

Always will be, no?

Thank you, for this because this is man's struggle towards the perception of what we known as reality, everything in a certain sense is a play on words just like that Holy Bible that they use built upon great contradictions.

Thank you

That's not how it is but you are walking on the path of discovery. Seek & you shall find 💜

You have a new subscriber I need to catch up with hours of videos I like that.

Been looking forward to this!

Sounds like how people live while unconscious

Thanks but a 1993 lecture on this subject by Dr Rick Roderick d. 1997, last in his series SELF UNDER SIEGE. It's wonderful! A West Texas philosopher, plain-speaking, with lots of prophetic exemplars! 30 minutes, best 30 minutes you'll EVER spend.

This perfectly describes the loss of meaning I have personally experienced ever since the Israel-Palestine war broke out. With the bombardment of all sorts of narratives through different media, it's almost impossible for an open minded person to believe in anything. Same thing with the inaugration of the Ram Temple in India. Such a grand event with even grander media coverage, and I can't help but be confused reagarding everything when everyone around me seems to be absolutely certain with their understanding of things.

so very appropriate given our current global calamity.

awesome work. i wish we had their transcript.

This man spitting. Best Simulacra and Simulation video on youtube. You have passed the leftist-audio check. Thank you for this video. The last 'd' is silent.

Beautiful

The media is just one facet of the logic of simulation. The media is not the simulation. And to say "The" simulation is not Baudrillard's view. He'd say that there are many simulations, just as there are many first and second order simulacra. It helps to keep his Marxist background in mind when teasing out this stuff.

Baudrillard - interesting perspective, thanks for the analysis. Folks want to live in safety and that means something different to each of us, but certainly means telling ourselves the world (macro/micro) is a certain way and anchoring to that view. Does Susie feel 'safe' not ever pursuing a skype session or in person meeting? Question becomes - why won't someone in any given area pursue deeper level information? Jordan Peterson gets into morality and emotion linkages as being a facet of actually defining our reality. Therefore, arguing with someone who appears to refuse to even look at your data seems because you're shaking the bedrock of their reality. You're actually seeing a fight or flight response because that's scary as hell to them. Anyhow, huge subject and I'll leave it at that.

@omarsilva5244

5 жыл бұрын

Orionsbelt31 has

well that was a BUMMER

So ... travel to other countries (preferably Third World), read books whose authors have opposing viewpoints from yours, converse with your enemies, try a variety of life experiences, listen to Philosophize This! episodes, etc. In this way, we can be shaken from our conditioned stupor. There are ways around accepting the dystopian hopelessness some of the Post Modernists seem to imply. There are some ways out of the maze.

All in all this is the great perception, that we're all living upon the dog chasing its own tail

my french oral final is gonna be lit fam

“Bill, what’ll we do with him? “ “I know dude, philosophize with him.” “Oh yeah…”

I am doing research on this to perhaps convey in a video how red pill ideology is the poster child for this concept which inspired the film they are using to convey their conception of the world. It’s pretty perfect lol and I haven’t seen many others make this connection.

Not for nothing, but a good example at about 19 minutes in would be when you're a kid and you see toys on television. The way they have the play area for the toys set up, you can never duplicate that. So you never have THAT much fun with the toy

@silverdragon710

4 жыл бұрын

i noticed that in the movies too but never been a problem for me

It occurs to me that, given the modern interpretations of "simulation", a reasonable synonym would be "facsimile". This word might also help us better intuit how layers of simulation and simulacra are facsimiles of facsimiles, becoming decreasingly faithful to the original.

I found the lack of agreeable resolution from the Matrix series intriguing which helped shape my current frame, as I remember most people left the theater quite unhappy and confused. Perhaps someone out there knows of a postmodern philosopher that discusses this? Far from being educated in more than college Philosophy I see the simulation perspective rather linear, and our strive for happiness falls between the complex, unanswered, and contentious, which requires new fundamentals to think multidimensionally. Quantum computing anyone?

@SNoone89

4 жыл бұрын

Ken Wilbur and Lana Wachowski discusses this, it's on youtube. The trilogy ends with the Source (quantum phusics) being integrated into the classically understood Matrix (cause and effect). The meaningless existence has been reformed through sacrifice of self image which infuses the new (Neo) Matrix with a higher way of being, a primordial state.

U r awesome. Wish for the visuals

Damn, that's dark. Attempting to read Simulacra and Simulation in French now. Hopefully this helps.

@vinicardi191

3 жыл бұрын

Im gonna try to read it in english, since I couldnt find a portuguese version :(

@yochabelfatima5260

3 жыл бұрын

I'm reading it rn, it's kinda hard but I'm trying.

I heard the original idea was that the machines were using people for their processing power, not as a power source. If you think about it, humans would be a sh*tty form of power, since we actually need to consume so much.

He's talking about what B. thinks people do and saying "you", but I don't do any of those things at all, so it feels really weird. It's like you're walking down the street and someone starts saying to you "you're flying, why are you flying." It's like no, I'm not flying, I'm walking. I buy things because they're useful to me: my shoes are comfortable, my car is functional and fun to drive; at most, I buy things because *I* like how they look. And I think that's true for most people. Sure, there's a subset of people who buy stuff for the message it sends to others, but I certainly don't think it's actually the majority. This is my problem with postmodern thinkers: they act like they are against grand narratives, and then launch into laying one out of their own, one that's usually wrong and ALWAYS less useful for living a fulfilling life in a peaceful and advanced civilization.

@spike9314

3 жыл бұрын

i buy things because i like the way they look

What does it mean when I feel zero desire to buy anything other than those things which I need to survive. I’m still wearing the same clothes I purchased 20 years ago and conclude I already have enough clothes to last me through till I die. I have no interest in this consumer society, indeed I find it wholly unfathomable why anyone finds the need to participate in this process. Happy to wear a jumper until the holes are larger than than the material that remains.

Essentially the devolepement of human society depends upon the development of symbols and social constructions. Now those things are so well defined the people lost their space Forever.

John and Suzie...that's baseball, Suzyn.

Prescient and terrifying

Seems Baudrillard's thought runs the risk of instituting another metaphysics, one not too far from that inaugurated by Plato - that between the real and it's simulation, between appearance and reality, the authentic and inauthentic, between media images and the supposed Real they represent. Against such a metaphysics it has to be said that all images and representations are just as real (i.e., are on the same ontological level) as any (more) Real they are supposed to simulate. It is better to uphold a materialist univocity of being and say (after Deleuze & Guattari for example) that there is only simulation understood as the immanent and endlessly differential machinic production of the Real. The postmodern situation of media simulation simply presents to us the current manner in which the real is produced.

the term is no longer "sane, or insane", but, something like... cognitively liable.. or something. Liable is the second part of the term for sure.

What if I don't consume any sort of media driven contents? What does that indicate about my in a identity in a fragmented and disconnected society?

John has had the same haircut for 25 years

Holy shit! I'm a postmodernist and I didn't even knew it. ¿what things can i buy to show this to the world?

@rapisode1

3 жыл бұрын

No you criticize postmodernism, but they called these philosophers postmodernists because they criticize the postmodern problems

Were you intentionally referencing fight club in this? lol

I thought something was wrong with me because i always thought that a lot of what we do in our daily lives is simply a "caricature of what once was."

There are many thing we "buy & put on display" that we are embarrassed about... lets hope no one reads too much into this!

I am curious of what Baudrillard would say regarding the conspiracy theories in regards to the COVID outbreak. Is it a mere difference of perspective promulgated some medias at the fringe or is it a threat to society as a whole?

@gigz-econ5625

2 жыл бұрын

An attempt to creat a new grand narrative maybe?

@martinansell2105

2 жыл бұрын

He might just say that they are theories and do not need an adjectival description.

18:30, wherein our narrator outs himself as a Boy Meets World fan.

Plato’s “Allegory of the Cave” is much closer to what The Matrix is about.