If I have to repent then Jesus didn’t pay for my sins.

@yabutmaybenot.6433

4 жыл бұрын

When you take a long hard look at the system, you really see how the system doesn't make any rational sense.

@awakeningblacksheep9610

4 жыл бұрын

@@yabutmaybenot.6433 yup , this god is not rational apparently 🤣

@ispartacus1337

4 жыл бұрын

I love that. Lol never heard it before.

@hundejahre

4 жыл бұрын

Jesus is, essentially, a pay day lone shark. He paid for your sins, but you have to pay him back with interest, or he busts your kneecaps for eternity.

@hundejahre

4 жыл бұрын

Papa Smurf The idea of Original Sin, or being damned in advance for the sins of your ancestors is complete and utter bullshit. Any “god” who would conceive of such a thing is unworthy of worship, and anyone willing to follow such a god is a traitor to the human race. Jesus, as Christians imagine him, never existed, but even if he did he wouldn’t be worth our time if day. Also, I couldn’t care less whether or not you responded to this, there’s nothing to pay Jesus back for, as he’s done absolutely nothing.

Brandon strikes me as someone who's never taken more than 5 minutes to study the opposing position (ever).

@j.a.greene3523

4 жыл бұрын

It's called "the Christian bubble" for a reason.

@hitoshura2800

4 жыл бұрын

The biggest joke is that Judaism and essentially the God they worship, which is what all of Christianity is predicated upon, expressly forbids human sacrifice in all its forms. Deuteronomy 12:31 You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods. Sacrificing humans for sins, harvest, and recompense were EXACTLY how pagans worshipped their gods and the madness of Christianity is that these buffoons CANNOT SEE THAT THEY ARE IN A HUMAN SACRIFICE BLOOD CULT.

@j.a.greene3523

4 жыл бұрын

@@hitoshura2800 Paganism is the oldest religion known to man. As far as I'm concerned, Judaism and Christianity stole from them, ha ha :-P ...and I thought stealing was against one of the 10 Commandments? Opps!

@guytheincognito4186

4 жыл бұрын

@@j.a.greene3523 Small correction. Paganism is an catch all lable, it represents all per modern religions with and without names. Paganism the term is used simply because there were to many cults and various nature and spirtualist religions to list, most didn't even have names. There's also the fact it was easier for the modern religions to call them that because they lack the ability to are nuance. It's easier to make an us va them narrative aswell3if everyone different from yourself is packaged in one group.

@jackdaniels9179

4 жыл бұрын

Yet believes he knows better than people who have studied the opposing views for the better part of their life.

Love it when they preach instead of answering.

@brendanshiels2971

4 жыл бұрын

She asked how he knew and he was telling her.

@brendanshiels2971

4 жыл бұрын

Dashing Dave okay if you say so. Btw all atheists do is reach and assert and assume. Well not all they do but a lot of it.

@brendanshiels2971

4 жыл бұрын

Dashing Dave good argument 👍

@brendanshiels2971

3 жыл бұрын

@Toughen Up, Fluffy low iq

@jeziscricket4448

3 жыл бұрын

@Toughen Up, Fluffy Both Talk Heathen and Atheist Experience hosts are always quoting their favorite Movie. What's the difference btwn Movies and FairyTales?? NONE!

God wants to punish you for sin. But he loves you.

@yabutmaybenot.6433

4 жыл бұрын

But if you don't love him back, you better watch out, because he's a jealous bitch.

@thomascanfield8571

4 жыл бұрын

Your stealing from Carlin

@dirtyangel6557

4 жыл бұрын

George Carlin said that

@yabutmaybenot.6433

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomascanfield8571 Can't steal from the dead.

@kareemhailey9585

4 жыл бұрын

All parents punish there children and if your child doesn’t learn eventually you have to let them go, remember the reason for punishment is supposed to be that you learn before you hurt someone and or yourself

Typical christian, argues about Hell gets owned and then wants to change the subject to evolution.

@RagicalPlays

4 жыл бұрын

And continue to build all the strawman on evolution 😁

@bonthebunnycat667

4 жыл бұрын

@ConfusionFusion Omg they would save the planet 😂

@AngryBoozer

4 жыл бұрын

ConfusionFusion As long as you don’t burn them. You’d be introducing co2 into the atmosphere that wasn’t in the current circulation. That’s already the problem with the fossil fuels. Sorry, I’m terrible at parties...

@nicolas4601

4 жыл бұрын

Stupid evolutionists think life came from rocks. Christians know better, Adam came from _"the dust of the ground"_ ! 🤦‍♂️

@themousethatroared3371

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicolas4601 Haha I see what you did there.

That caller has no idea how stupid he actually is, and that's the real tragedy. Christianity has melted his brain.

@rickydarcilover5581

4 жыл бұрын

FunkYeah . It’s a good point. When I listen to these callers, or read the idiotic stuff in the comment section, I kind of feel depressed for my fellow human beings. It is a tragedy when even smart people like The talk Heathen crew, or Matt Dillahunty can’t crack their idiotic minds.

@Buccaneer9

4 жыл бұрын

Religion was created to control the ignorant.

@willdwyer6782

4 жыл бұрын

Speaking from experience I can say that Christianity has not melted his brain. It has merely warped it. There may come a time when something happens to make him question his belief system and open his mind to other possibilities. That's what happened to me.

@emeraldkat2167

4 жыл бұрын

@@rickydarcilover5581 The sad part (at least in my eyes) is that these people are often very smart. The level of intellect they use to try and fit things to keep believing them is really high (as someone above noted, dunning-krueger), at least in some cases. But its brainwashing. Society just accepts it because it's so prevalent. It's so sad and the exact reason why people who lose their religion end up needing support and some will end up needing therapy for ptsd like symptoms for the rest of their lives. I also don't think its naivety or stupidity that attracts people to begin with as I think anyone can be susceptible to that kind of brainwashing (just look at that sex cult, nexium, parading as a self-help career boosting system - many of their victims are atheists or nonreligious). If someone preys on you in a moment of weakness, it's very easy for extremely intelligent people to be conned.

@rickydarcilover5581

4 жыл бұрын

Emerald kat . Yes and the keywords you used were the moment of weakness. It’s documented that a human is the most open and receptive to knowledge from birth to 5 years old. So like stamping a logo on tinfoil, telling a 2 yr old to believe in god or they will burn in hell when they die, Is the type of affective child abuse that insures another dedicated god lover, that will fight against all reason like our beloved zombie brained callers. And like you say, escaping it can cause its own anxiety. The child abuse indoctrination is so powerful that even people getting university degrees are often still locked in to the brainwashing effect. This I believe is because of uni degree does not make a person intelligent anyway. Anyone can sit in the classroom and have a whole lot of knowledge crammed into the head. The real test of intelligence is common sense, which the indoctrination totally destroys

"This doesn't make sense" Well. yeah, it's religion.

@rickdees251

4 жыл бұрын

When you "don't have an answer" and you make a bullshit answer there isn't any explanation that makes sense because "you don't have an answer".

@uscg1381

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@dennispennington9773

4 жыл бұрын

Life cannot come from non-life but god made man from dirt.

@thinboxdictator6720

4 жыл бұрын

how dare you to make fun of my fairytale! my nana told me you belief in impossible things too!

@CCCBeaumont

4 жыл бұрын

That's an ignorant and bigoted thing to write.

Hell is very good at frightening people... "Keep the peasants in line!"

@AquaPeet

4 жыл бұрын

Because grown ups don't believe in Santa and that they won't get presents if they're bad.

@bigcountry3375

4 жыл бұрын

Hell is a myth concocted to scare gullible people into submission

@lesd1923

4 жыл бұрын

@ Paul Hadlington: Absolutely. When people figure out two things...that heaven and hell do not exist, and that churches and preachers are simply a building run by power/control hungry men....then perhaps we can call religion- and most especially Christianity - a huge con job on everybody.

@mcross320

4 жыл бұрын

@Michael I don't think you understand what fundamental christians are?

@davidhatcher7016

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah

No one can understand god, except Brandon apparently.

@BigHeretic

4 жыл бұрын

*Csyk* ...and all the other Brandons out there, no one but them.

@teresaamanfu7408

4 жыл бұрын

😀😄😃

@SongWhisperer

4 жыл бұрын

You don't need to believe in God to understand God, and you don't need to understand God to believe in God. 2 things that most Theist don't understand or believe in.

@darrylelam256

4 жыл бұрын

I don't need to believe in any gods to understand one claim of a god. This god as written in a moron. Evolution also does not explain the origins of life. Evolution only talks about what happened to life after life formed.

@rickydarcilover5581

4 жыл бұрын

Song Whisperer . You are just as deliriously mixed up as the caller, you all have your heads in the clouds and are away with the fairies. Also I definitely do not want to understand any god he says take a disobedient child, to the local village and have them stoned to death. Go fuck yourself with your stupid theory

Oh, I like this new guy. Cute strawman from Brandon at the end. When their WHOLE story crumbles, then they decide to talk about shit they don't even understand.

@kelseyrobinson1917

4 жыл бұрын

Holy Koolaid! He's got some good stuff on his KZread channel.

@HolyKoolaid

4 жыл бұрын

:)

@UKMonkey

4 жыл бұрын

@@HolyKoolaid wait, are you the son of the new guy, sent down in his image to be sacrificed to the religious so that we may all be saved from an eternity of religion. Praise be to... Yeah, I can't keep this up.

@MP-yc2ou

4 жыл бұрын

That sounds a lot like atheists

@UKMonkey

4 жыл бұрын

@@MP-yc2ou so you've got evidence that a god exists? Do please share!

Brandon watches Kent Hovind most certainly.

@AScotsDude

4 жыл бұрын

"You believe that we were created from a rock?" said Brandon who believes "The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground" i.e. crumbled rock.

@nwospidey5782

4 жыл бұрын

It's all written down idiot.

@TheNinthGenerarion

4 жыл бұрын

AScotsDude rock and organic matter

"I have studied evolution" From where? From Whom? Also, gotta love Holy Koolaid.

@themousethatroared3371

4 жыл бұрын

Probably studied under the Unholy Trinity of Kent Hovind, Ken Ham and Ray Comfort.

@katamas832

3 жыл бұрын

@@themousethatroared3371 I'm positive it was Kent Hovind, only his following brings up the "You believe you came from a rock" crap.

"Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes." - Satan

@GabrielEddy

4 жыл бұрын

Ome Francis 😦😧🤯💥💀☠️

@Pandalka

4 жыл бұрын

not being raped is a state we wouldn't appreciate if rape didn't exist. so rape is necessary. 🤦‍♀️

"Do you believe that all life spring from a rock?" asks the man who believes first man was made from clay.

Hell is being in the same room with Brandon for more than 20 seconds.

@dannyspitzer1267

4 жыл бұрын

Haha 😄

@irrelevant_noob

10 ай бұрын

Unless he's silent... Then i could endure it longer. ;-)

I was very pleased to hear the crossover with Thomas from Holy Kool aid

To believe in hell, to believe in the Abrahamic God, is paramount to believing evil came from nothing. Where will morality be in Heaven? The origins of theocracy with mandatory specific beliefs = mind control.

Brandon was handed a glass of holy koolaid but didn't drink 👊🏽

@HolyKoolaid

4 жыл бұрын

Actually, he's not just drinking the Koolaid, he's straight-up drowning in it.

Creationist arguments: "You think you came from a rock!" Bible says god created man from dust. "You have faith in science" You have to believe in god on faith "How can something come from nothing?" How did god?

@terryfuldsgaming7995

4 жыл бұрын

No, didn't you know? God is the only thing without a beginning cuz reasons. But that's not a special pleading fallacy cuz reasons...

@derekmizer6293

4 жыл бұрын

Theists ignore contradictions. Their faith shield is omnipotent.

@franktherealist481

4 жыл бұрын

And if one looks at the ingredients making up dust, it's silicate, crystal and some other inorganic materials... none of which are ingredients that make up all living things including us apes. LOL! We are carbon life forms and all things organic are composed of that but not dust. And yes, carbon is an organic thing... at least I think it is. I'll check. Well, I'm right. LOL! Organic compounds are composed of carbon... insaid it wrong before but it is of an organic nature. Funny God didn't use that instead of dust. Oh yeah!! It was magic. LMAO! Can't recover forget that God can do all we can't but can't do any thing we can. Ponder that for a minute.

@amylear9682

4 жыл бұрын

@@franktherealist481 carbon is a necessary component of organic chemistry, but not itself organic. there's some other bits you also need to constitute "organic" (notably, but not limited to, hydrogen).

@franktherealist481

4 жыл бұрын

@@amylear9682 yeah, I've been doing some reading since looking at this video and commenting. You're right. I'll keep reading so I can learn and not misrepresent it. It's very interesting how organic compounds can come together as they do using carbon and amino acids and ... yeah. I'm getting ahead of my self from what I've read so far. I have a long way to go. LOL! Again, I don't want to misrepresent it.

Brandon has been destroyed by logic bombs.

@jeziscricket4448

2 жыл бұрын

Iogic bombs are nothing compared to the horrible shock of knowing your in hell

@dorcia

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeziscricket4448 You're***, you half wit. I am also quite positive you've broken enough rules in Leviticus alone to land you right next to me in hell.

@horsepowerenthusiast6933

Жыл бұрын

@@jeziscricket4448 There is no such place. It's a man made psychological state of mind to keep us in a low frequency state.

And Brandon believes we came about from a clay figurine that had "life" blown into it. How do you get human DNA from clay?

@worldpeace1822

4 жыл бұрын

Magic?!

God is really shy and insecure. He can't have around itself people that challenge anything it says, wants or does or that doesn't worship it. This God character is so pathetic.

Brandon: *Can't rationalize the problems brought up about hell and its messed up system* Brandon:" Uhhh... " *Jingly keys* "Look, look! Evolution though! Look, let's talk about that!"

A loving "God" will allow people to be tortured for eternity yet it is unwilling to reveal itself? How does that make sense? Hell and heaven are both total contradictions.

@fredc61

4 жыл бұрын

Ken Christiansen, yes God even loves His enemies but if you deny the sacrifice of His Son and die in your sin, you will forever be an enemy. Even the zoo knows to separate the wolves from the sheep. The earth will be destroyed, leaving only two places, with God in the new earth or the place that was made for satan.

@hundejahre

4 жыл бұрын

I like the idea some Christians espouse that Hell is just the complete absence of/separation from god... sounds like Heaven.

@fredc61

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Binney hell was made for satan and is a place of torment. Jesus told of a person in hell in Luke 16.

@hundejahre

4 жыл бұрын

fredc61 lol. No, Hell doesn’t actually exist, neither does Heaven. I said I liked the idea, not that I actually believed it.

@rickdees251

4 жыл бұрын

"How does that make sense?" because God is mysterious. That's how it makes sense you idiot! Why can't you understand that? Not making sense is the only way it makes sense. What the fuck is wrong with you? It's so obvious a child can understand it. (200% sarcasm)

It’s sad that in this day and age people are still discussing religion.

@dannyspitzer1267

4 жыл бұрын

Agree

@jeziscricket4448

3 жыл бұрын

Life ends then Judgment Begins.

@richardkranium2944

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeziscricket4448 well I personally hold no opinion on what comes after death. I put it in the category of things that cannot be known. Most people agree with that statement, then proceed to tell you all about what happens.

@horsepowerenthusiast6933

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeziscricket4448 😴😴😴

"Evolution teaches that we evolved from a rock." I find that statement kind of hilarious and intriguing at the same time.

I had given up on talk heathen for the most part, but Mr. Westbrook just brought new life to the channel 🤪

My Daddy's Belt was the only Fear I needed to not go down the path of, so called, Evil.

@jymbo1969

4 жыл бұрын

Child abuse? You do realize it fucks you up, yeah?

@megabeaver23

4 жыл бұрын

@Me Smith congratulations on teaching and continuing the cycle of abuse and creating a false comparison without knowing shit thinking its physical assault that stops kids from developing mental issues rather than the beatings. You ignorant dumbass.

@c.guydubois8270

3 жыл бұрын

Mom and Dad beat/spanked us. Now know I was wrong following that example. Fear isn't the best teacher. Loving rational discipline

Brandon??? This guy calls ALL THE TIME!!!! He’s 8 different people!!!!

THANK YOU THOMAS!!!! You just spoke so much truth and took the words right out of my mouth.

@HolyKoolaid

4 жыл бұрын

:)

Love how he starts scrambling like Alec Baldwin in Team America: "Um, evolution.. life came from rocks.."

Thomas Westbrook is one of my top favorite atheist KZreadrs of all time. He has a lot knowledge on these subjects and brings to our attention some very interesting questions about the different claims within these religious texts. Thomas, in case you read this comment, you are AWESOME, Brother!

Thomas should be the regular host on here.

Speaking of rock, you guys rock!

HK did an awesome job of destroying Brandon's nonsensical assertions and for him to bring up what he hasn't educated himself on, evolution, just proves the level of ignorance being taught in religion. Religious apologists and preachers are absolutely doing a disservice to education and over all intelligence. I had a silly conversation with one of my nephew's friends about rocks sweating and when I explained that it was condensation on the rock due to moisture in the air, he called me a liar. So I asked him if he saw the moisture on his car as well and if he did, was his car sweating as well.... he called me rediculous for believing that his car was sweating... really. So your car doesn't sweat but the rock you saw with the same condensation does... hmm. Interesting. I left it at that and I told my nephew he needed a new friend. One that wasn't delusional. I said that loud enough for his friend to hear so he couldn't say I spoke about him behind his back. Brandon and my nephew's friend should meet. Maybe all the magic they seem to believe in will help them sort things out... maybe not. LMAO! I actually feel ashamed for them. Honestly.

@Cellidor

4 жыл бұрын

I love too when he says "I've studied _everything_ about evolution". No, fella, you clearly haven't or you wouldn't be saying that people "came from rocks". People educated on a subject don't say things that actively make themselves look like uneducated idiots on the subject.

@franktherealist481

4 жыл бұрын

@@Cellidor LOL! I only ever heard of Christians making that claim and usually becuase they never truly studied evolution becuase if they actually did, they would know what's being said. The indoctrination is deep with people like him. Wow... I kind of just repeated what you said... sorry. 🤣

@Cellidor

4 жыл бұрын

@Frank The Realist The worst part is that they only do the bare bones base level of any research and latch on to the first thing that can possibly make an argument sound as ridiculous as possible to discredit it. I'm sure that if they had asked him about it, Brandon would have (if he'd done any research) probably have said "Scientists say the building blocks of life would have needed minerals! Minerals are rocks! They're saying we came from rocks!" It's entirely dishonest because it means they're doing the most bare-bones research possible just to put the mental image in other people's minds of rocks growing legs and walking off. It's the equivalent of someone saying "Pfft, look at this guy, believes in _natural planes._ Did you know people who believe in natural planes think they're made of rocks?" "You mean the metals they use to make the-" "See? Metals, that's from rocks! I never seen a rock fly! Don't be an idiot, obviously planes were made by Jesus."

@franktherealist481

4 жыл бұрын

@@Cellidor I love your analysis. Entertaining and spot on. They're probably confusing organic carbon as some sort of rock. All living things are composed of organic carbon except rocks. LOL! What's expected when their only goal is to defend the fantasy at all costs. Truth escapes them in favor of continuing to play pretend. I have to say it that way and I know I'll get flack from some theist being hurt I said that. Don't care, though. Burden of proof is on them to demonstrate their God and they fail every time.

@Cellidor

4 жыл бұрын

@@franktherealist481 To me, what hurts the most is that they're taking the absolutely fascinating and wonderful things we _do_ know about existence and everything around us, and put it in some dull brown light just because it doesn't have the addendum "also, space wizard". Like, I look at the periodic table and even _that_ I find amazing. Just the idea that everything, _everything_ we know, have known, and will know (as far as we know now) is composed of just those basic elements. These basic little pieces all coming together through physics and chemistry to make all the incredible variety of both life and non-life we see today. It's awe-inspiring to think about, and incredible to study...yet so many theists would just scoff at it as "just rocks" because it doesn't _impress_ them as well as an ancient story about clay men and rib women.

This co host is pretty good, very smart for being so young. I hope he appears more on the show....

@Diviance

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas? He has his own channel, too. Holy Koolaid.

More holes in the God theory than stars in the universe.

@fredc61

4 жыл бұрын

Douglas Latham, an all powerful holy God wants you to willingly choose Him over your sin. You are in the age of grace. In the tribulation there will be no atheists, everyone will know of God, most will curse Him because His wrath will be seen through plagues and judgements. When He comes to earth people will be trying to hide from an all powerful holy God.

@dionettaeon

4 жыл бұрын

Nevermind the fact that there is no "God theory" and never has been, it's only ever been assertions based on ignorance and fear. Take note fredc61, PROVE IT OR SHUT IT!

@douglaslatham9904

4 жыл бұрын

@@fredc61 Dream on religious freak.

@douglaslatham9904

4 жыл бұрын

@@dionettaeon Bit of semantics there. An unproven assumption can be viewed as a theory. There have been (are) hundreds of claims to the existence of Gods. All unproven, and all just somebodies assumption (or theory).

@iloveplasticbottles

4 жыл бұрын

@@fredc61 yeah I'm gonna praise a guy who committed near omnicides and mass genocides, over me wearing mixed linen

Eternal punishment for committing a sin in a finite life. Yeah, that sounds about humane.

Thomas should be in the show more often. and promote his great channel

I love when they bring up "the fall" because in doing so they're putting forth that this god they claim is perfect...isn't. A 'perfect', all powerful being can't make something that isn't also perfect because then they themselves aren't perfect. That means that god would have _intentionally_ made imperfect people. Imperfect people who this god now apparently has to judge and burn in hell for the crime of...being exactly how god made them. Really comes across like a sadistic kid playing with people's lives, doesn't it? I mean, the whole belief itself is nonsense, I just find it amusing that even if you take it at face value, it's self-defeating.

@margaretbarrett6087

4 жыл бұрын

Excellent logic

Why would it be just or perfect to condemn those that know not good from evil, especially when aware that they will in fact be deceived into doing an evil they neither comprehend or understand it's consequence?

@derekmizer6293

4 жыл бұрын

Because god loves them? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@geoffmower8729

4 жыл бұрын

Because that's how psychopaths have fun. And it seems some theists would really enjoy seeing people burn in hell for eternity as well. They certainly get a great amount of pleasure threatening people with hell anyway.

@derekmizer6293

4 жыл бұрын

@@geoffmower8729 threats is the stick of religion. They threatened u with imaginary and eternal damnation then give their solution.

@fredc61

4 жыл бұрын

Capricious Men, God has the ”fix” for freewill, it involves placing your trust in Jesus and receiving His Holy Spirit giving you the desire and power to choose wisely. God could have made you to mindlessly always do the right thing, as an automaton, He didn't, He made you with the ability to love, which requires free will. God is good, He has delivered me from depression, perversion, and materialism, life is so much better not being bound to the things that were destroying my life and relationships.

@derekmizer6293

4 жыл бұрын

@@fredc61 many people have e depression and overcome it without god. How do u know it was god?

Holy Koolaid nailed it.

Thomas was in fire!!! ... stayed factual and respectful. This clip was a pleasure to watch.

Even if evolution was totally false, this does NOT mean that creation is true.

@billmorash3322

4 жыл бұрын

And, even if creation is true, that doesn't mean the god of the Bible is real. There are numerous stories of creation.

Thomas is cool. Kinda looks like Andy Murray though.

Awesome clip... dealt with caller nearly perfectly... Why base eternal salvation or damnation on acceptance of bad evidence from people who make excuses like this guy, or even WORSE, like the New Testament? Some love... also... exactly WHAT did Jesus sacrifice? Sacrifice isn’t money you put in the offering plate while everyone’s watching, then retrieving it when no one’s around... similarly, sacrifice isn’t dying as PUNISHMENT, then coming back to life saying “nanny nanny boo boo!” By this kinda “evidence,” Penn & Teller are more powerful miracle workers, or at least their tricks are more amazing. What makes them MORE impressive than JC is that they honestly tell you you’re being fooled, and you still love em!

I am sitting on my couch listening to Brandon as he attempts to justify the righteousness of an eternal sentence in hell. To condemn one to eternal damnation in hell would be the most evil of all acts ever committed as the act itself never ends. Though I see the flawed logic and principle's on hell, and God being just for sending the multitudes there I still can't shake it's grasp. Hell is very real in the mind as a collective, and that is what is frightening. Hell is not just and there is no defence of it or for it. The existence of hell is not the debate. The debate is whether is just or unjust. The man who says that hell is just shows injustice to all mankind. Hell is a disgusting, vile and evil invention. I don't want to close with a negative statement Know it's a noble cause in defending what is right. I appreciate those that took the time to make this video. This conversation is long overdue. Who knows what will happen once we all have is as a whole? One big happy family. One thing is for sure and that's that things will change. As things change the world will change. The best we can do is attempt to change the world for the better. That is all my friends.

It's amazing how quick the QUALITY responses come from you. Amazing!

Rock on dudes 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@davidhatcher7016

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah!

Omg... i saw the notification but had other things to do. If i had known holy koolaid was on tho... damn. Well at least i cash watch the recording...

@ConcealedCourier

4 жыл бұрын

Same

Vi’s dismissal of Brandon at the end was epic! 😂

If angels and demons are so powerful that they can leave heaven or hell anytime they want, then it's only fair that we have the power to do that too. If we don't, and if God deliberately made us humans ridiculously powerless and weak compared to angels and demons, then God was cruel for making us that way.

So God sacrifices himself, to himself, to close a loop hole that he created? Yeah right!!!

@jannellecox3202

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah ....... And how do we know he even felt an ounce of pain ? . I couldn't trust a God any farther than I could a Devil .

The concept of hell did not exist until the 8th century CE, and the depiction of hell did not exist until Dante’s Inferno. Of the mentions of a “hell” in the Bible, it was described as both being buried 6 feet under the ground (the Christian practice of burying the dead on consecrated ground), or being burned in the sea of lava. Also per the Bible, no one would be in any form of a hell until after judgment day, which has not occurred (and never will). That’s why the concept of hell should have no sway on anyone that bothered to actually read the Bible, because “hell” doesn’t exist.

@CaptainG23

4 жыл бұрын

Scott Jefferson I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ, Bigfoot , and the Loch Ness Monster.

@kapnkerf2532

4 жыл бұрын

I'm up to Samuel and I haven't really encountered the mention of Hell or the Devil yet. I think they needed a new character to spice things up in the later chapters. Otherwise, you would think God is the villain in the story. And saying the serpent that tempted Eve was Satan was a total retcon. It was just a talking snake like thing that got punished. It could walk but got punished to crawl on it's belly.

@jesusislord9758

4 жыл бұрын

Hell is in old and new testament.

@MrKit9

3 жыл бұрын

@@jesusislord9758 Another christian liar. So typical.

"Hell is not a place, no, but a state of ones soul. That begins here in this life. Just so, paradise dwells in the heart of man. It is in this life, in this bodily form, that we may first touch the Divine." - St. John Maximovich

Vi pulling the Eric "Hey (insert name here), can you hear me? Hi..." *hangs up* Classic.

I love holy koolaid brother. Keep it up!

Holy Koolaid Batman... You hit the nail square on the head!!😅😅😅... When confronted with their own ridiculousness theists fold like a cheap suit... and he never did justify why hell is a just punishment for sins.. what ever "sins" are... ☮️🤘🍺

Ladies and gentlemen... *THOMAS WESTBROOK*, give him a round of applaus👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

I highly recommend a short novel by Stephen Peck A Short Stay in Hell" . It is loosely based on the concept of the Library of Babel. It shows the absurdity of eternal punishment. In it the true religion is Zoroastrianism and everyone not a Zoroastrian goes to hell. But their stay in hell is "short". Everyone eventually makes it to heaven.

"sprang from a rock" yeah, okay Kent Hovind

Ok, this is simply a question. Is the show better or worse when Brandon and or Ontangelo call in?

Wow! I don't think I've seen Holy Koolaid in beast mode before - I like it! :D

I like how Brandon has a habit of saying “you know” in a clipped way so it sounds like “yo”. I pretend he’s a rapper when I’m listening to him. Brandon, if you could throw in a “word is bond” every so often I would be so grateful.

Actually, Adam coming from a rock, or at least from the ground is what Genesis says happened.

@AC-gb7do

4 жыл бұрын

Genesis narratives of the Creation and Flood were written, like the Babylonian narratives they resemble, to assert and preserve Hebrew religious culture. The changes made are profound. In the “Enuma Elish,” the Mesopotamian origin story, warfare among the gods ends in penal servitude for the losing side. They weary of the drudgery, so, as an act of conciliation, humans are created to toil in their place. A goddess fashions them of clay, seven male and seven female, all nameless. Adam and Eve are “borrowed” from older myth, the “Garden” and the “flood” are “borrowed” as well. The story of the Garden of Eden, and specifically Eve's role in ticking off god, has roots in the story of Ninhursag, a Sumerian myth that preceded the Biblical tale. In the Sumerian version, the goddess Ninhursag created a beautiful garden that she cherished. She told her husband, Enki, that it would be his duty to tend the garden. He got bored and assigned his lover, Adapa, to the task. Adapa tended the garden, but foolishly harvested some of Ninhursag's special forbidden fruit, to give to Enki. Ninhursag found out and punished them both. After calming down, Ninhursag took a rib from Enki and made him a new lover/guardian from the rib. The parallels are obvious. It's also obvious that the Sumerians went forward in time and copied the divinely-inspired true story of the Jews. Crafty Sumerians!

@ConcealedCourier

4 жыл бұрын

Very pithy! Good catch!

Evolution has nothing to do with the beginning of life.

@NYCFenrir

4 жыл бұрын

@Timothy Mostad Chemical evolution =/= evolution as they are 2 different things. Really if anyone is talking about chemical evolution they should use abiogenesis.

@Alienshade

4 жыл бұрын

If we understand evolution better. Then maybe we can understand the beginning of life better to. Or we can give money to someone thats say its god. And thats the end station.

@NYCFenrir

4 жыл бұрын

@Timothy Mostad My point still stands since that "chemical evolution" is not the same as evolution. Trying to discredit one has nothing to do with the other, but it's a common tactic by some people.

@NYCFenrir

4 жыл бұрын

@Timothy Mostad Actually you are wrong. Abiogenesis is the leading hypothesis, but evolution is a theory. The level of evidence supporting the 2 things are different. I would not consider abiogenesis as a fact. Creationists try to discredit biological evolution all the time by saying that scientists say life came from rocks. Look up Kent Hovind.

@NYCFenrir

4 жыл бұрын

@Stefan Dingenouts I understand what you are saying, but evolution does not talk about the origin of life. Creationists try to discredit evolution all the time by talking about the origin of life. Also abiogenesis is still a hypothesis and not a theory.

Thomas' speaking here needs to be thoroughly transcribed. Just fantastic!

Hell was one of the first things that bothered me as a concept when I was a devout Christian (initially raised Methodist, but became non-denominational). I clung to my faith despite that doubt, looking for other Christian sects that maybe had a different idea about Hell. So, of course, I found Jehovah's Witnesses. I didn't join them, but I read their free books which I actually really enjoyed, especially how they stripped away the pagan elements. Because I didn't join Kingdom Hall as a full-fledged JW they called me a "bystander". That added to my doubts about Christianity as truth, as well. If this religion was the only true way then why is it so divided? Why do they shun people who don't accept their particular dogma 100%? Why do they preach love, but condemn good people for being different? Also, the concept of the Holy Trinity always bothered me, too. Plus, the concept of Hell is kind of negated by the New Covenant, I would think. Maybe not.. but if my eternal fate is solely dependent on believing Jesus as my savior, despite no evidence of such a person existing outside of the Bible, then I can't be on board with that. The only source that says I need to be "saved" (from Hell) is that book, and that's not enough for me. I wasn't just a casual believer, I was intensely devout, and studied several versions of the Bible with the intent of eventually starting my own ministry. But when my logical mind started to kick in, and doubts started to pile up over so many scriptural inconsistencies, and being ashamed of fellow Christians who were so judgmental, I couldn't call myself Christian anymore, and I couldn't believe in a God that contradicted himself between testaments. It all seemed like a fable to me in the end. And it was scary to de-convert. Not because of social and familial repercussions, but because I had believed in it for so long. It was a fear of change, because being a Christian was my life. I didn't become atheist except in the sense that I no longer believed in any deity, I stayed spiritual in a more pantheistic way. I didn't want to jump on another religious bandwagon, though, for fear of going through the same thing again. Like they said in the movie Dogma, I don't believe, but I have a pretty good idea... but even that is fallible. I still consider myself a spiritual person, but not in any religious or supernatural sense. I certainly reject the concept of Hell, and Heaven. I reject any mythological concept as fact. If there is any level to reality that is "spiritual", it isn't supernatural, but just another level of reality that cannot yet be measured, and perhaps never will. And that's good enough for me.

Brandon's engaged in defamation and bearing false witness

"When we sin, our nature is more like a dried up leaf." Entertaining gibbersish, yet still gibberish. Brandumb claims his god thingy is omnipotent. Well, that notion has been dispelled for 100's of years thusly: “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Epicurus Hey Brandumb, "sin" exists only in religions, like Harry Potter magic stuff. You do know Harry Potter, don't you?

I just realized that holy Kool-Aid sounds exactly like Seinfeld when he gets angry... mind-blowing

@ConcealedCourier

4 жыл бұрын

I heard that too.

Regarding Hell: Why would god's enemy, Satan, do god's bidding by punishing those that would follow in Satan's footsteps? That to me has always been a glaring flaw in logic.

@robbiemckenzie100

4 жыл бұрын

I don't agree with hell but you got it wrong.. no offense. Actually according to the Bible Satan is tortured IN HELL with the LOST. HOWEVER THINK OF THIS GLARING FLAW. Seven-year tribulation is upon us. Antichrist a man who's is indwelt of Satan is ruling the world. Making you take a Mark that will damn you to hell. Jesus called Satan the father of all lies. If we have free will then Satan has free will. If I were Satan the moment the rapture of the church happened I would not assume the role of the Anti Christ. Satan's d thing is to make God look bad. Revelations already been written. God's infallible word is in print. our sane and make him look like a damn fool wrap to the church and I would see to it there was no Mark No One World Government. Just the opposite. Satan who is anti-god why is he all of a sudden following the rules of Revelation? So the glaring flaw is if Satan is the father of all lies, and why is he going along with the prophecies of Revelations?

@mcross320

4 жыл бұрын

@@robbiemckenzie100 A million errors in this thinking. Back up. Who says angels think like men? They are not made for that purpose.

There has to be a hell so people can gloat from Heaven. Oh by the way, your book says , " It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get to heaven.". Humm, since we are richer than 95 percent of the world in America so I assume very very few Americans there.

@chadrasmussen6127

3 жыл бұрын

I'm going to be in heaven cya later

Brandon criticises evolution because of his mistaken idea that evolution says life came from a rock. Whoa up there Brandon - doesn’t your Bible say that Adam was made from dirt on the ground? Isn’t that mostly ground up rock?

@AC-gb7do

4 жыл бұрын

Dirt is unclean matter, especially when in contact with a person's clothes, skin or possessions. In such case they are said to become dirty. Common types of dirt include: Dust: a general powder of organic or mineral matter Filth: foul matter such as excrement Grime: a black, ingrained dust such as soot Soil: the mix of clay, sand, and humus which lies on top of bedrock Doesn’t make the Adam and Eve story even close to being true, but primitive humans wrote the Holy Babble, so there ya go!

@NeverTalkToCops1

4 жыл бұрын

@@AC-gb7do Scribblings on papyrus leaves. Brandumb says people who "sin" are more like a dried up leaf.

@AC-gb7do

4 жыл бұрын

NeverTalkToCops1 Braindead Brandon said a lot of goofy sh**! 😂

Thank you Thomas

Thomas, you rock!!!

I like the calm, patient approach better. I think it's much more likely to get some progress that way. Good show.

F'n bravo Thomas. Spitting absolute logic and reason. And it still goes way over the idiots head. Love how he changes the subject when cornered. Please for the love of gods get Thomas on with Matt.

TheraminTrees had made a good rebuttal relating to this Hell bullshit in one of his videos. Severely paraphrasing off the top of my head here: "Stealing an apple is going to have far more of an impact on someone who only owns one apple than someone who owns 50 orchards, and the punishment should fairly represent the level of transgression they've committed. If a finite transgression is made against something that equates to infinity, the punishment doesn't become infinity, it becomes zero". Similarly, stealing $10 would barely put a dent in a billionaire's bank account, and pulling up a small patch of grass isn't going to do much to a prairie. An omnipotent, omniscient immortal could not in any way be slighted by such finite, fallible mortals that could ever warrant eternal torment.

If hell is eternal then there is no atonement, cause by definition you never atone. It is simply unfair punishment, in other words, torture.

Eternal punishment for finite crimes... That's what is wrong with the concept of hell.

I actually feel sorry for this caller, to hear someone who suffers from such intellectual poverty is heartbreaking

It only took until 0:41, for this to become my favorite channel on KZread.

Thomas killed it here

"I've studied all about evolution" Translation: I had a biology class in high school.

@irrelevant_noob

10 ай бұрын

And watched some videos online from my preferred echo-chamber.

Lol it's Port Neches. In 2015 we actually fought to have a cross removed from public property in that town. Was a good time. Southeast Texas in all it's humid evangelical glory.

Eat a cookie every time he says "You know". Hey, we're not all drunks.

Oh. I didnt know it was holy koolaid till he started talking

Brandon's first verbal ass whooping. THAT WAS THE KINDEST HANGUP EVER ! *Funny as hell too !*

Sin: Pay twice. No, pay weekly.

Brandon has been living under a rock since the Nixon era.

Brandon reminds me of having a bad fart day. When you can feel a big one coming on, you know it's going to stink.

eternal torture for finite crimes (especially arbitrary "slights" against an omnipotent god) is NEVER morally justified. it seems MUCH MORE like a human-created system from a more primitive time (the bronze age) than it seems like an infallible supernatural system.

Vi hung up on Brandon so gracefully. Live it.

Loved the response about being created in "God's image"/ability to decipher right from wrong!

"How can we know good if there's no evil." Oh, that's actually quite easy: - winning the lottery: good - not winning the lottery: not good - helping an old granny over the street: good - not helping an old granny over the street: not good - having a headache: not good - not having a headache: good - millions of people dying because of a natural desaster: not good - nobody dying because no natural desaster: good

Holy Koolaid, Batman!

Thomas Westbrook is my fave.

hell is war, sickness, cruelty, suffering, people hating, splitting, damning each other. or- it is a spooky place down-below, third door on the right. your choice.

Love this argument hahaha