Top 4, AHEAD OF LIVERPOOL AND KLOPP and a trophy last year. FA Cup final again this year. Poch doing way worse, no one says anything bad about Klopp, wtf is the agenda against ETH?????

@jhf2121

15 күн бұрын

Erik will be taking home the "Not as bad as Chelsea" trophy this year then. Two trophies in two years. Good for him.

@YusufEbr

14 күн бұрын

You didn't hear a word he said. Are we near top 4? Are we challenging for any titles and don't tell me we beating City in a final. You expecting them to be that off for us to get that lucky. You are clearly one of these fans that's accepting of mediocre standards then. You can be critical of Ten Hag without being Ten Hag OUT. I don't see how his tactics play out. He also literally has no emotions on the sidelines. Man trusts these criminals stealing a living. He needs to start losing his shit so they can fear him.

@YusufEbr

14 күн бұрын

There's always this feeling we could be losing the next game or drawing it or letting it slip after 60 minutes in. Like make better subs FFS, there's a gaping hole between the mid and Def how hasn't he fixed it yet. When Mainoo is off they revert to stupidity.

@js1465s

14 күн бұрын

@@YusufEbr have you seen the state of our team? Johny Evans being one of our stand out defenders, even Antony and Bruno have had to go to defence at times. Our team is rubbish. Arteta finished well out the top 4 in his first two seasons. And yes, we will beat City and win the FA Cup.

@YusufEbr

14 күн бұрын

Im nowhere near Ten Hag out but no clue where the current next Gen Ineos regime is at with him or what they want in a manager. Clearly they setting things up but for who only time will tell. Either way standards wise these players are nowhere near the level of a club challenging for the league. His got to get them there. There's no agenda against him. His result are dog crap and if you watched other channels. Every manager is getting stick. The ones that deserve it.

As a Manchester United fan I'm happy some fans are coming to the reality of how the club is. This is 2024 and not 2008. We have seen this all in the past by trying to escape reality by changing new managers, signing big name players but we just finish between 6th to 2nd every season. We're in a deep transition. It's painful. It's heartbreaking and sad. But we can never buy glory. Transitions end. INEOS is here with us. Let's see how they will deal with the football structure. As for Erik Ten Hag. I'm a Erik Ten Hag In all through and through. Next season is his final season with Manchester United. Judge him after that. If he falls short he will leave after the expiry of his contract. If he succeeds give him a new contract. I can't blame him for our woes. He will be sacked and another manager will come and the same issues that faced LVG, Jose Mourinho and Ole and are currently facing ETH will face the next manager.

@gabrielalohan728

14 күн бұрын

I'd love to have a drink with you.

@michaelkahama3459

13 күн бұрын

@@gabrielalohan728 sure. I am in Kenya. Which part of the world are you in?

@wr2899

12 күн бұрын

he needs to go, or the club need to tell him to take a different direction tactically. He's setting the team up to play only on transitions (trying to force them), even when we are winning they still use that tactic and it's horrible as it allows an open midfield. It is tactically different than last year which was still reliant on transitions but had more work on the other phases of play. He has had the option to change the tactics all season and hasn't. If we can't play the current style due to injuries then why not adapt a different style? What's wrong with trying a 442? I get the feeling he promised a "united style of play" yet doesn't have the team to achieve it. So why is he trying to force it? Traditionally since SAF the players would eventually fall out with the manager and stop playing for him. This hasn't happened this time, it looks like they are still playing for him. So sacking him wouldn't be "giving the players what they want" or "players win again" as it doesn't look like that's what they want. He is simply setting the team up to fail with his current choices. He truly believes it is fun to watch for fans. He needs to stop being so dogmatic and make practical tactical changes that we know he can do. I don't know whether he's being told he has to play this way or he is just stubborn. He will likely be gone at the end of the season anyway and he's only done it to himself so don't feel too sorry for him. I massively backed him but it's becoming toxic for the players shouldering all the blame when they are being told to play a style that leaves them wide open. When it works, it's exhilarating but most games it's simply not it.

@michaelkahama3459

8 күн бұрын

@@wr2899 who is the available coach out there after he leaves? I get your concerns. He has a year left in his contract. Could he at least finish his tenure then a new coach starts all over again? Let us be realistic with our expectations as fans. Utd faar off from being what it used to be but since some of you want him gone. Who will come and manage us in our current situation when things are not changing?

Also, you can tell Charlie’s an outsider because United fans have been anything BUT not critical of EtH in recent times. If he’d actually done his homework, he may have also realized this has been the cycle at United since Fergie left - new manager comes in, does well, then when it goes pear-shaped because of the utter lack of a competent footballing structure to give the manager some chance of sustained success, our fans inevitably turn on the current guy in charge saying he’s clueless and needs to go. Really, this is a pretty piss poor take.

@NeilLewis77

5 күн бұрын

"new manager comes in, does well, then when it goes pear-shaped because of the utter lack of a competent footballing structure to give the manager some chance of sustained success" this is exactly what hes talking about. ETH has been awful, his signings have been bad, his tactics have been shocking and results have been garbage. and your defending him. your blaming the club and just accepting that ETH has let the huge gaping hole in the middle of uniteds midfield cost them game after game for 2 years. what players have been in good form for him? rashford? rasmus? casimrio? varane? mount? anthony? maguire? anyone? the only players that have played really well for him are kids like mainoo and garnacho who are just happy to be in the team. its the same take i get. united fans are just accepting mediocrity.

@WanderingPropeller

3 күн бұрын

@@NeilLewis77 right and I’m just saying this is a lazy lazy take. Which, given that United are shite, will get the clicks/views.

@NeilLewis77

3 күн бұрын

@@WanderingPropeller whats lazy about pointing out the truth? man united are ok with the manager being shit. its not a bad take. its not a lazy take. its the truth. ten hag has been awful for 18 months and man united fans keep saying "cant sack the manager. no point sacking the manager. the teams crap. the clubs crap. but theres no point sacking the manager again and again." its just mental. hes doing an awful job and hardly any united fans seem to want him fired. i remember thinking ole would get fired after losing 6 2 to spurs. nope. united kept him around for another two years. madness.

@WanderingPropeller

2 күн бұрын

@@NeilLewis77 plenty of United fans want him gone, mate. Us being a basket case behind the scenes and not giving either him or prior managers the best chance to succeed can be true at the same time and is worth discussing.

@NeilLewis77

2 күн бұрын

@@WanderingPropeller oh I have no doubts whatsoever that the club is run badly. But no one at the club is telling both the two holding midfielders that they can both go pressing up the pitch and attack the opponents box at the same time other than Ten Hag. His tactics are suicidal.

You the kind of outsider who is stunned by this but praises klopp like without commenting that klopp start at Liverpool was diabolical?

@NeilLewis77

5 күн бұрын

no it wasnt. we saw an instant upturn in form and style of play. he got us to the league cup final in his first 3 months. he got us to a european final in his first half season. and that was with benteke and mignolet etc. by his third season he was challanging for the title and made the champions league final. do you think ten hag is going to challange for the league title and champions league next season?

@WanderingPropeller

3 күн бұрын

@@NeilLewis77 conveniently ignoring that there’s some clear parallels to be drawn with EtH’s first season in charge. Nice. Also ignoring that Liverpool have NOT been a basket case behind the scenes.

@NeilLewis77

3 күн бұрын

@@WanderingPropeller ok yes fine. as a liverpool fan i admit im wrong and i hope man united keep ten hag for decades.

Show me a better manager, that's viable thath will fix that mess. Klopp hasn't fixed medicore Liverpool in 2 seasons. Whats the point of sacking managers every 2 seasons, and expecting diffrent results.

It’s not accepting mediocrity, it’s being fully aware that in football, there are cycles. Alls well at city with pep All was well at Liverpool with Klopp and they only won one league title in his time there But when they go ….. that’s when different cycles start. Just life 🤷🏻‍♂️

Everybody wants to talk about United to be famous. Keep our team's name out of your mouth *will smith slap*. We doing just fine. ETH is a very good coach, just one bad season.

It's not accepting mediocrity if your first and second choice players are injured and you have to rely upon a mash of players whose skills and flaws do not complement one another

@Undone545

15 күн бұрын

United's first team is shit (there are good players in there) but a fully fit united dont play that well

@wr2899

12 күн бұрын

he needs to go, or the club need to tell him to take a different direction tactically. He's setting the team up to play only on transitions (trying to force them), even when we are winning they still use that tactic and it's horrible as it allows an open midfield. It is tactically different than last year which was still reliant on transitions but had more work on the other phases of play. He has had the option to change the tactics all season and hasn't. If we can't play the current style due to injuries then why not adapt a different style? What's wrong with trying a 442? I get the feeling he promised a "united style of play" yet doesn't have the team to achieve it. So why is he trying to force it? Traditionally since SAF the players would eventually fall out with the manager and stop playing for him. This hasn't happened this time, it looks like they are still playing for him. So sacking him wouldn't be "giving the players what they want" or "players win again" as it doesn't look like that's what they want. He is simply setting the team up to fail with his current choices. He truly believes it is fun to watch for fans. He needs to stop being so dogmatic and make practical tactical changes that we know he can do. I don't know whether he's being told he has to play this way or he is just stubborn. He will likely be gone at the end of the season anyway and he's only done it to himself so don't feel too sorry for him. I massively backed him but it's becoming toxic for the players shouldering all the blame when they are being told to play a style that leaves them wide open. When it works, it's exhilarating but most games it's simply not it.

@mauddib1761

10 күн бұрын

@@wr2899 I think ETH is the opposite of dogmatic, he's pragmatic to the point of going back on what I assume was the reason he was hired. I thought he was meant to come in and bring the "Ajax style" of football that got them to the CL semi-finals. Then he loses the first couple of games last year and decides the team can't play that way and then this year says that he wants United to be the best transitional team. When he said the team can't play in that Ajax style after he bought Onana, Martinez, Anthony, Eriksen who have all played for Ajax and spent a lot of money on them too I thought he should be sacked then. Surely the point is that he was hired to replicate what he did at Ajax and it's his job to implement that. I support Spurs and Postecogleu is getting criticism now from some fans because he is seen as too dogmatic and won't change his style. At least if he does get sacked though it's because he did it his way. It seems like ETH from the first couple of loses last season decided that he'd rather hang in on the job rather than try to change United's style. At least at Spurs I can see what Postecogleu is trying to do, whether he succeeds or not is another thing, but you can at least see something forming. With United I honestly don't see what he's trying to do. I think sometimes the mark of a manager is how opposition fans see the manager. I think all neutrals will want to see ETH stay because he's not the guy to bring back success to United. It seems it's individual quality rather than any sort of system that gets United through games.

You can't tell us how to feel about our own club, if the majority of united fans feel like he must be given more time then he should be , we as united fans know the problems in our football club more than you do and the manager is the least of the problems that we are currently facing.

@jhf2121

15 күн бұрын

I'm a United fan and Erik has earned the sack.

@victormashangurara4645

15 күн бұрын

​@@jhf2121we have had so many different managers and we never gave them a chance to build their own team. You can't expect instant results. Taking over from Sir Alex was always going to be difficult. We need to accept that even though we are still THE top club, we don't have a top team anymore. We need to rebuild. Sure the have been some failings but the coach can't do it without your support. Let's not turn on our managers. That's for the raival fans to do.

@OliverL33

14 күн бұрын

@@victormashangurara4645yes. not enough people are saying this

@jhf2121

14 күн бұрын

@@victormashangurara4645 sorry but your excuses are a decade out of date. We've spent over a billion pounds since SAF retired. The problem with the Glazers isn't that they don't back the managers it's that they pick the wrong managers. EtH has had £400m spent on his squad and his tactics make them look awful and make the opponents look good. That's unforgivable and he deserves the sack.

@victormashangurara4645

14 күн бұрын

@@jhf2121 money doesn't make a great team. Patience and support does. Keep supporting our manager, let's stay United. Don't join other people when they criticize our managers or players. We will do that on our own time

Hands off ten Hag

Accepting mediocrity? We aren't in the boardroom so we can't do anything about what's going on now can we?

Have people been in a comma for the past 10 years? On what basis can you hold Ten Hag to the "Manchester United standards" from back when we were great, given the absolute pathetic way this club has been run by the Glazers and the people they've appointed. It's all a mess from top to bottom, thinking that bringing in a different manager right now (who would that be by the way??) would miraculously make us champions (because we're Manchester United right? That's the standard) is crazy. Really disappointed in this agenda The Athletic is pushing so hard

@WanderingPropeller

3 күн бұрын

I’d argue we’ve probably been the worst run club in the PL for years now. But takes like Charlie’s get the clicks/views.

They have accepted the mediocre level

Arteta was pretty bad for two years. Ten Hag has outperformed him over his first two years.

Your take is a mess , no insight what mess individual errors don’t make a whole team a mess btw

So they gonna be like "once-great" club like blackburn, or nottingham, and city gonna be the main club of manchester lol

Rent-free :)

Not mediocrity that we have accepted. We accept that the revolving door policy has not worked AT ALL! We accept that no one's dominance lasts forever. We accept that with the right people in the jobs, then we have a good chance of ending the vicious cycle. We accepted that other clubs are operating more efficiently than our club now. This interview is a damn poor take!

Well this is the power of Manchester United the amount of criticism likes of Club, the coach, the captain and the players face is unparalleled. I just watched the Crystal Palace vs Newcastle Highlights and I saw how sean longstaff behaved after diving and moaning with the referee. If the same thing a United player would have done imagine the scenes! Few years ago Liverpool had a bad luck with injuries. None of these so called football experts had an idea then. United’s injury is as bad if not worse. Manchester United is a constant hate watch by rival fans. Pundits are critical specially former United players who had maintained a certain standard are just comparing their era with this current times. And everybody else just join in the bandwagon to get few minutes of fame. It is pathetic. I am waiting for this panel to address the Liverpool slip up since they lost fa cup qf against united

Why mau utd legend didn't go back to club and take hot seat, why ? Because they are not competent

The problem with this fanbase is they've been accepting mediocrity since Ole but they levels of delusional has gone up a level with this fraud of a manager making the most excuses. So what we have had injuries it's the manager to play the ones still available and yet he doesn't play most of the players on the bench. He's a manipulative lier and he in 4k as manipulated the fanbase with these interviews and press conferences of making excuses and as bad as Ole was he never made excuses he actually accepted fault for bad performances. The question should be why isn't he starting Amad, Eriksen, Mount, Anthony, Amrabat players he bought to the club and when there have been injuries. This guy would rather play Forson over them. Why isn't no one questioning his talent ID is why he doesn't play our actual ballers and good players. His prefer 11 when everyone is fit stinks because he has favourites and none of them are good. One of the worst front 3 I've seen at United yet he plays them. Complain gin about injuries but only Shaw and Lisandro are the only ones he prefers to start. Let's not forget that this fraud said Varane and Casemiro couldn't play because of "Tactic" and "more football" with McTominay coming off the bench yet now when his job is on the line somehow Varane now can play LCB and Casemiro is now makes us play good football. Now Mainoo is suffering because of this fraud set up where now whoever plays in that 6 role gets over ran in midfield because he wants to play this 4-6 formation and yet no one knows where to be. Anyone thinks if he gets better players he will drop his favourites for them. He will stick start Shaw, Maguire, McTominay at times or off the bench, Rashford, Bruno, Hojlund and Garnacho. Those are his favourites and he won't drop them maybe Maguire but this fraud talent ID is shocking he'll buy more ex Ajax players

Your not harsh enough to be fair

Bullshit

There lazy

@sratus

2 күн бұрын

Your spelling is lazy chief.

Until this year Maguire was seen as a joke. Now he is seen as one of their best players...the team has come down to his level, maybe