Haha was hoping you’d edit my very awkward hanging around once you were gone. Great chat though! Thanks TCD!

@smorr139

2 жыл бұрын

cool to see you here!

@bcluett1697

2 жыл бұрын

Lazenby's ghost had enough of it, you made for an entertaining guest, I wasn't expecting to hear about Gone With the Wind hehe.

@connanbarb7579

2 жыл бұрын

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@InxWeedxWexTrust

2 жыл бұрын

dont worry about it. I very much enjoyed your guys conversation. hope to see you again in the streams!

@connanbarb7579

2 жыл бұрын

lol your and demeanor face changed when he told her that wandavision was trash loooooool

Being heroic doesn't mean being the best, the strongest, and the most fearless. It means doing what needs to be done, despite crippling fear and bleak odds, but standing up and fighting anyways.

@theequalizer9154

2 жыл бұрын

SPOT ON!

@Icipher353

2 жыл бұрын

And that's why all of Kevin Feige and Brie Larsen's talk about how powerful Captain Marvel is does nothing to make the character appealing, relatable, or likeable.

@SpartyCubsFan

2 жыл бұрын

For fiction, King Theoden at Pellenor Fields, among numerous other characters in the book (and film)

@dominusblandus

2 жыл бұрын

reading atm the true story about the Shackleton-Expedition on their 635 days-trapped-in-antarctic ice-trip.... he seems to be a hero if there ever was one in that sense

@gitfoad8032

2 жыл бұрын

Being targeted for execution by the Al-Sweeny (of NE & DH/DL UK polizei) & their EEG clone torture-menticide-drugging-indoctrination-trauma induced murder games-&-hard IPCRESS, I agree. A gwys just gotta do what a gwys gotta do, & if that means simply standing ground, then make the last 11yrs just so (plus 3yrs prep by priming). The u-bent 'police' here are what they eat, even thru' the punitive pain beyond agony, the 'Chinese struggle sessions' by synthetic telepathy, the Inception games, the burglaries, the tattooed ears in the middle of the night (whilst 'out' with extremely lo-frek brainwaves - I assume) & the agents provocateurs, & the organised gang-stalking by both cutouts & der polizei. So very many games (SERE & the 5-techniques inside your mind: ECG stressing: pissing blood & chunks poisoning - towards 'medical torture'). Ask Hall, Ball, Robinson, Farrell & Knox - all bent (DL).

It makes me sad when I hear people say that men and women have been fighting eachother since the dawn of time. It's simply untrue. We have been working together for thousands of years to stay alive, successfully reproduce, and move forward in the world.

@BarefootPrudencePursuer

2 жыл бұрын

Men and women aren’t equal, they are complimentary and it is a beautiful thing! Equality of dignity does not mean uniformity of purpose.

@WakenerOne

2 жыл бұрын

@@BarefootPrudencePursuer And that's the difference between being "equal" and being "equivalent."

@WakenerOne

2 жыл бұрын

@@Last_Watcher Or else there wouldn't BE any civilizations to fight . . . !

@RoadWarrior2006

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. It's the radical Marxist depopulationists who argue differently to this fact. They're cancer.

@loturzelrestaurant

2 жыл бұрын

Great comment.

"You're capable of doing terrible things" *Drinker's captives yelling from the basement* "And I do regularly!"

@frosksdeadteeth5163

2 жыл бұрын

He's not Mr Plinkett FFS!

@loturzelrestaurant

2 жыл бұрын

@@frosksdeadteeth5163 Good Supplement to this video: Hbomberguy.

"There's no courage without fear", nothing more needs to be said.

@Likexner

2 жыл бұрын

Bran: can a man be brave when hes afraid? Ned: thats the only time a man can be brave.

Lord of the Rings has not nudity. Lord of the Rings needs no nudity.

@BaggageClaim

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@adrazuel

2 жыл бұрын

Neither has Gondor lol

@juhosuomi2551

2 жыл бұрын

I think that the showrunner or screenwriter gave an interview, where he stated that the casting call for nudity was not for sexual nudity but more for the scenes where Sauron corrupts elves, which might have even concentration camp -like imaginary.

@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE

2 жыл бұрын

One does not simply nudity into The Lord of the Rings.

@Will_GM_for_Food

2 жыл бұрын

A wizard is neither clothed nor unclothed. He is exactly as clothed as he intends to be.

Conan-The Barbarian, which is supposedly such a ''toxic masculine'' movie, features Valeria played by the great Sandahl Bergman. She's just as badass as Conan and didn't have to remind us every 2 seconds how great she was. Also, look at Hong Kong action cinema, where we got Cynthia Rothrock and Michelle Yeoh. Rothrock was not only a woman in a male dominated genre, but also a ''foreigner'' in Hong Kong and became a martial arts action cinema icon over there. And Michelle Yeoh is the undisputed ''Kung Fu Queen'', she's in her late 50's and is still kicking ass on screen. Not to mention ladies like Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor, Sigourney Weaver as Ripley, Carrie-Ann Moss as Trinity in the OG Matrix, Uma Thurman in Kill Bill, frikin' Lucy Lawless as Xena etc. etc. But hey, ''we never had female representation in action cinema'' yada yada yada....

@shan4680

2 жыл бұрын

Cynthia Rothrock and Michelle Yeoh were both in Yes Madam from 1985 which was a great film.

@SuperLloyd84

2 жыл бұрын

Those who can, do. Those who can't complain that no-one takes them seriously and then cry until they're told they're awesome and can do anything they want to.

@ericv00

2 жыл бұрын

Those women don't count because they contradict my ideology!

@adrazuel

2 жыл бұрын

And not forgetting Dorothy, the og female protagonist who saves the land of Oz

@maxkronader5225

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericv00 Exactly! When they say "We've never had women in leading roles" what they really mean is "We've never had shrill, shrieking, political activist, idiotic bitches in leading roles".

As much as I love Mauler and the boys this is a nice change of pace.

@insensitive919

2 жыл бұрын

This stream made me feel nostalgiac for the times when we could have different taste in films/shows/etc and it wasn't a big war, it was just a discussion.

@trlspann

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, stepping outside the FNT ecosystem to talk to a new non black pilled voice was very refreshing. Loved the even energy of the discussion.

@botep5529

2 жыл бұрын

@@insensitive919 plus Drinkers fan base kept cyber bullying him over his shirt lol

@ulisesvalenzuela7667

2 жыл бұрын

Agree

@wujekstalin1

2 жыл бұрын

Drinker has gone WOKE and he replaced strong men with FEMALE guests now

Ripley was the best heroine ever. Going back into the Alien lair after Newt is the bravest thing in any movie ever.

@hansgruber9685

2 жыл бұрын

China white is the best heroine ever.

@rantradio

2 жыл бұрын

Facts. I think we can ALL agree that we'd be like: "Peace Out, Newt."

@Insignificatos

2 жыл бұрын

jees that was scary AF back in the Day

@JesseCuster

2 жыл бұрын

Even before that, having the backbone to go back to LV-462. First time I saw it I thought "Fuck that, I'd stay nice and safe with Jonesy."

@Brantlins

2 жыл бұрын

Get away from her!

"Ripley, I'm scared' "Yeah, me too"... Brilliant writing. Ripley was a total badass, but she was human. That's why we love her.

@leethrelfalllt

2 жыл бұрын

The mothering connection between Ripley and the girl was a special part of film.

@corycrandell2682

2 жыл бұрын

@@leethrelfalllt indeed

@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg

2 жыл бұрын

No, you watched it when you were 4, before you knew male and female characters were even supposed to have different expectations. "That's why we love her".

@corycrandell2682

2 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg uhhh... no... you don't get to tell me why I love the character. Nor do you get to assume my age at the time.

@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg

2 жыл бұрын

@@corycrandell2682 you said "we". You were obviously a kid at the time and you're looking at it through the lens of nostalgia - if it came out now, exactly the same way, you'd be complaining about how 'woke' is was and how Ripley was a shill for the sjw agenda, or some other dumb crap. And you know it - that's why you're so angry about my comment.

I remember nothing Rey said, but I can quote Princess Leia without even trying ... I wonder why.

@haytonism

2 жыл бұрын

I think she said with great power comes great responsibility or maybe she said meh, either way pretty powerful stuff.

@thomasarnoldcoe6527

2 жыл бұрын

I quite like Daisy Ridley, but Rey was so dull Finn should have been the lead character- he could have had a great redemption arc and Rey could have been so much more . Too late now.

@aTalkingKoala8294

2 жыл бұрын

All I remember is "GET TO THAT QUAD JUMPAH"

@Valen-xu2wy

2 жыл бұрын

Rey ?

@Jar0fMay0

2 жыл бұрын

@@Valen-xu2wy you know from Ghostbusters

One of the best female protagonists -> Mrs. Brimsby from the Secret of Nimh. She spent so much of that movie absolutely terrified, but she had a goddamn job to do to save her son so she kept going anyway.

@kailryu

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! So glad to see someone else appreciate that work!

@yup486

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, now I have to re-watch The Secret Of NIMH!

@steveouk90126

2 жыл бұрын

Concur.

@connanbarb7579

2 жыл бұрын

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@Bow-to-the-absurd

2 жыл бұрын

Mrs frisby was a boss. She did what she had to do to save her family.

I've never come across Baggage Claim before this... She's truly a delight, and I thank you for bringing yet another great thing to my conscience, Lord Drinker!

Sam Carter in Stargate SG1 started as an obnoxious feminist before the writers toned down that aspect at Amanda Tapping’s request. As a result she became one of the show’s most loved characters. Pity Hollywood can’t take a cue from that…

@thomasarnoldcoe6527

2 жыл бұрын

Nice

@spacemonkeyentertainment6413

2 жыл бұрын

She did ? I admit i haven't watched the series in a while, but i remember she had a little moment with O'Neil in episode 1 where he expected "Major Carter" to be a man (reasonable assumption given how little women get to a high rank in a heavily male dominated field that requires phyisical capabilities), so anyway, she corrects him and that is that. Can't say i remember any "feminist bs" after that.

@danielschiman767

2 жыл бұрын

@@spacemonkeyentertainment6413 The 3rd episode literally called "Emancipation" and it was a typical womenist drivel. The writers definitely had a intent for that sh*t, but Amanda said "nah, Carter is not like that".

@spacemonkeyentertainment6413

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielschiman767 Right, i honestly didn't remember that episode. I guess it didn't bother me, because it was in the context of a "oldfashioned culture" with very clear roles. So in the context of SG-1 it was still clear that she was valued because of her skills etc. It didn't try to paint all men in a bad light and to the extent that i remember Sam was never resentful or anything towards her own team. which imo can't be said about the writing nowadays with all the passive-aggressive attitude one can cram into a role and never tried to make the all so common bow to our times. And honestly even if it bothered me, i could excuse it as a finding process at the beginning, she certainly mellows down in the later episodes, i think. Now that i think about it there were other "girl-power" episodes, but they as well never bothered me, because they made sense and everyone on the team got their spotlight now and then. I guess what i am trying to say is, that the show never struck me as agendadriven. But good on Amanda Tapping, i guess.

@seefoghall

2 жыл бұрын

Can you imagine what will happen when the woke decide to destroy SG-1?! Maybe if nobody talks about it, they will leave it alone!

This was such a great talk... she is such a movie nerd you can hear the passion in her voice and its great to watch

I have ever see Drinker so well behaved.

@albatross8361

2 жыл бұрын

The Critical Drinker's alter ego has been revealed - The Sober Thinker.

@AMikeStein

Жыл бұрын

Besides his interview with Triggernometry I’ve never seen him without his sunglasses.

Glad to get acquainted with Baggage Claim. Congrats to her for getting in the last word.

This was a great discussion! I particularly liked that they brought up that scene in LOTR with Eowyn. The first time I saw it and every time I see it, I think how brilliant it is. I love that Eowyn looks terrified as she rides into battle, yet ride she does. Very realistic and great acting from Miranda Otto. One of the many, many things that makes LOTR the masterpiece that it is.

@scawmper

Жыл бұрын

And when she goes to defend King Theoden(sp?), she's totally terrified. In a rush of adrenaline, she cuts off the wraith-beast thing's head... and then the Witch King stands up. And up, and up. Her face says everything. Does she then immediately go in and attack with a disarming or killing blow? Hell no. Before she can do anything, the Witch King starts swinging his giganto mace and she's scurrying out of the way. He blasts her in the shield and she's basically screwed. She's a memorable badass for gong to her king's aid clearly without thinking of herself and subsequently standing her ground against a foe who is seemingly undefeatable. She was a great character, and her addition didn't hamper the story nor the previously established ensemble - it both added to the ensemble and gave her a story of her own. That's called good writing, and we'll not see it's like again.

On the topic of what makes a hero: in „The Lord of the Rings“, the novel, there‘s a chapter where Sam thinks Shelob‘s killed Frodo. He considers going home at the futility of the mission, and, still convinced of the futility, silly, simple, merely bumbling along Sam continues, scared to death, because he thinks it to be the right thing to do. The very telling name of the chapter? „The Choices of Master Samwise“.

@AMikeStein

Жыл бұрын

I loved that chapter. I mean I loved all of them but if anyone didn’t believe Sam is a hero by the end of that chapter you can’t honestly deny it.

Baggage Claim is fantastic! So happy to see her on this stream and hear you two discuss this topic with common sense!

Drinker, for a really really good girl fight watch Jennifer Garner's character in the movie The Kingdom directed by Peter berg. She fights a very very big man, gets thrown around the room a lot, and when she finally kills him is absolutely exhausted and traumatized. She's vicious, and goes after everything and gives it her all. It was one of the more believable girl fights versus big guys I've ever seen.

Gone Girl explores the manipulative female and takes it to the extream and it's amazing.

@darthXreven

2 жыл бұрын

good movie, I was listening to the score for months before I saw it so putting a film to the music was good and hearing how the music worked in the movie was interesting it adds a different feeling than a typical score..... anyways yeah the level of shit she did was mind blowing and how the movie came full circle to the opening scene was cool, the unfeeling comment in the intro makes perfect sense at the end

@killbot_factory

2 жыл бұрын

it explores the toxic relationship between a manipulative female and a narcissistic male. they're both total scumbags and they deserve each other, that was the whole point.

@Katya_Lastochka

2 жыл бұрын

@@killbot_factory That's called victim blaming. Abuse victims are never innocent, that's how their abusers justify themselves.

@killbot_factory

2 жыл бұрын

@@Katya_Lastochka WTF are you talking about? Where did I "blame the victim" in my statement? I said they're both total pieces of shit. Did you even watch the movie lol

@slevinchannel7589

2 жыл бұрын

@@Katya_Lastochka Wokeness is such a big Word though now, too big for its own good, so i kinda feel like a Thousand Disclaimers have to be made about every Statement one makes about it, if not at least to avoid Generalization. ASide from that, what worried me is that Wokeness in the Sense of 'Twisted LGBT-Representation' (like Star Trek or Doctor Who) actively gets in the way of normal, real Representation (like Owl House) and even worse: more and more just associate LGBT overall with S-it like Wokeness.

Dang. The Drinker and Baggage Claim Great channels, great collaboration

My favorite female character is the T. Rex from Jurassic Park.

@noneed4sleep64

2 жыл бұрын

The strongest female character of them all

@skylx0812

2 жыл бұрын

Or old Baylene from Dinosaur. Her speech when she scolds Aladar for giving up is very moving. _"...I for one, am not willing to die HERE!"_

@Garrus1995

2 жыл бұрын

Looking back on it, she actually has a great arc. She goes from being a villain to an unintentional hero who saves the human characters from the velociraptors. She even roars triumphantly when her work is done.

@chrissedaka8141

2 жыл бұрын

@@Garrus1995 She was the real "clever girl" all along.

@anshulkarkera8911

2 жыл бұрын

Rexy took on a whole pack of velociraptors and won, many years later she is still on the grind. You go girl

The Drinker expands his repertoire. Great discussion. Keep exploring more topics like this.

I really enjoyed this conversation. I love that Drinker didn’t just agree with her but also didn’t treat her like one of the guys. I prefer the all guy chats because men usually act differently when women are around and I really find them fun. This was a great balance with interesting movies not typically discussed with the guys. I jumped over to her channel and binged a bunch, interesting stuff. It’s great to hear women talking about femininity and difference between men and women and its importance.

Sarah Connor from T2, Uma Thurman from Kill Bill and Ripley from Alien.

@lucara

2 жыл бұрын

Uma Thurman was also great in Pulp Fiction

Baggage Claim's complimenting of Daniel Craig was enough to push The Drinker over the edge and bring this happy hour to an abrupt end. Go Away, NOW!!!

1:14:00: Very well explained! Narcissism is one of today's society biggest issues. The way the system has evolved and the positions that have been created, basically ask for people with narcissistic personality disorder or psychopaths (in the medical sense). People in high end positions seem to start to speak out about this problem too. We have created a social and work structure that rewards their "ruthless behavior", blinded to the long term conflicts and loss they will cause. This was a great episode! Thank you, both. For the real, intelligent conversation.

I think Sailor Moon/ Usagi deserves a shout out here too. Probably not to most Drinker fan’s taste... but iconic in her own right.

@PrincessLockette

Жыл бұрын

And Sailor Mars!

@AMikeStein

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t care for either of those animes really, but you’re absolutely right. Very feminine but still strong female characters who always kept going.

So much agreement about not seeing the new LOTR. Gotta check Baggage claim.

A scot that doesn’t judge a persons worth on how heavy a thing they can lift?! What’s the world coming to?

@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself

2 жыл бұрын

If ae wooman cannae toss a caber ten paces, she isn't worth me time.

@SilverShadow02

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

What you like about Captain America is he BELIEVES. He has IDEALS he will serve and even die for. You want to BELIEVE as he does. You want to power up and become all you are able to, all that you must become, to serve those IDEALS. It resonates with you because it is TRUE. And you want to be TRUE too, to shield up and know, no matter what comes, you were TRUE.

@2:18:48 Black Widow's fight scenes were far more "realistic" simply because she used her acrobatics and agility in place of strength. She never went "toe to toe" with the bigger guys, she used their size against them. To be more believable, they need to give the women wing chun or judo skills rather than brute force.

@loturzelrestaurant

2 жыл бұрын

Fans dread Amazon ruining Stargate. I dont know, this seems to be the 1 Sci-Fi-Masterpiece that Drinker never got into and therefore never covered, which is a shame, tbh.

All humans struggle in one way or another. That’s why the classic great heroes, men or women, who go through their struggles on screen are so identifiable. And when they overcome them we get inspired.

@Baggage Claim You mentioned Sex & The City and how it negatively impacted your life. My wife and her friends are appalled by how woke the show has become in this reunion season. You have a golden opportunity to post commentary/reviews on your channel and bring attention to new audiences on the dangers of woke Hollywood.

@slevinchannel7589

2 жыл бұрын

And im appaled you insinuate it was ever good. It was always disgusting, so who-the-fluff cares?

This is my favorite video on KZread. I’ve watched it three times now. So fascinating. Well done guys 👍🏼

This was a great conversation. When I first came across Drinker a few years ago a felt a certain way about his content but his Star Wars rewrites won me over by how clear and concise they were. Now he's one of my favorite reviewers regardless if I agree with some points or not.

The biggest thing I think writers forget when writing fight scenes for women is: There’s a reason there are weight classes in boxing/ufc/wrestling.

@leethrelfalllt

2 жыл бұрын

Yeh.. 5ft 6in female throws 6ft 4in guy through window and knocks him out. See that every Saturday night!

@ericv00

2 жыл бұрын

And you know, men and women are different, and that allows for more interesting and clever things. Like initially pretending to be helpless to catch a foe off-guard. Tactics. Or maybe women using their greater ability to use social prowess to overcome a brute-force foe. Or a strong male foe being undone by hubris. That is classic 'make the audience hate the villain' fodder.

@MogoFromHell

2 жыл бұрын

I think it stems from the ridiculous (I mean over the top in a good way) martial arts movies where dudes could do insane stuff, but it was for the show. Now the fight scenes kinda feel like a pretext and an argument to say '' look chicks can do absurd things too''

@Bowiiihowdy

2 жыл бұрын

Ya you put a featherweight in the ring with a heavy weight and you will see the difference.. the featherweight maybe able to use his light weight and speed to stay away from the bigger fighter and possibly tire him out but if the big guy gets him he's dead meat

@redclayscholar620

2 жыл бұрын

Even if it's going to be a David vs Goliath style fight the smaller fighter needs the "sling and stone" to defeat the larger opponent. Whether it's Vi from Arcane using spot on boxing techniques or Sara Conner using her surroundings to smash the Terminator, there has to be an equalizer to slay the proverbial giant.

Enjoyed watching this stream as it's something my partner and I have discussed a few times - your guest was good, and particularly enjoyed the discussion about Scarlet O'Hara and how she is emotionally and mentally strong and uses her femininity to survive - much more believable than portrayals in modern movies where the lead women is unfeasibly physically strong.

Two of my favourite youtubers in one refreshingly thoughtful, intelligent, honest and interesting discussion. You two are awesome.

I feel great Daniel Craig’s Bond is a Bond in an alternate universe, we have a full story, from when he’s hired to meeting the love of his life, losing her, redeeming himself, finding new purpose and finding something he could truly die for. The other Bonds were Bond stuck in time, never showing much development or character change.

Basically anything before 2014 - when everything suddenly became accused to be racist and sexist - is markedly of much higher quality.

Hollywood in the 30s to the 50s gave us dozens of strong female characters with Actresses often taking centre stage more than the men. They were written so well, that anyone could identify with them.

@andrewmaximo4485

2 жыл бұрын

Dorothy Gale from The Wizard of Oz comes to mind. She's a good example that people who don't watch classic films can recognize. I wonder if young girls today would pick Wizard of Oz over The Last Jedi?

@ComDocH

2 жыл бұрын

I often think of Lauren Bacall, whose characters always went to to toe with Bogart’s characters.

@connanbarb7579

2 жыл бұрын

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@skylx0812

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComDocH She was 19 when they met and he fell in love with her. Its obvious in To Have and Have Not. Mrs. Bogart prolly crushed her bag of popcorn when she saw it.

@spacemonkeyentertainment6413

2 жыл бұрын

You know how it goes. If a woman is heavily featured, it's for her looks, "male gaze" and all that. There is always a spin to make it men's fault.

fireflyy was AWESOME!!! it could still work with the same cast because of the chemistry they clearly have with eachother

2:12:30 I believe that Manisha answered that earlier in the video, specifically at 30:40: we tend to identify with heroes in stories in order to get through the hardships in our lives. Yet what we take away from that is not within the “flaws” but in the overcoming of adversity through virtue. It’s impossible to “accept one’s flaws”, since that would mean at once to accept the Other’s definition of a “flaw”, i.e. a “thing I should not be”, while at the same time accepting oneself as being such a thing and knowing that, by self-acceptance, one has chosen to be that thing which, by the acceptance of the Other’s definition, one knows one ought not to be. The writer’s job is to write from both imagination and experience. All fiction is autobiographical, and all autobiography is fictional. The most honest stories are those which include the author, since each of us is the hero of one’s own story. Yet the writer’s burden is also to pass down the exalted values of the tribe; your classic on “Why We Need Heroes” covers all that movingly. Villains, as we learned from Tolkien, can never write a story of their own, but they can only appropriate what heroes have written. As such, those who write unbelievable heroes write from a lack of experience, purely imagining themselves into those roles according to the virtues they remember from their favorite stories. Yet true heroes must always be prone to self-insertion, too, and, since it is the writer’s job to pass down the tradition of the virtues, heroes must often overcome their own flaws long before they write, or otherwise they must accept them as not being flaws. No one writes a flaw into oneself, because that means either accepting that which, by its very definition, must not be accepted, fabricating something which was never there, or pandering (in either case) to weakness in the audience, so thereby risking that somebody else will see that weakness as a strength. Wise readers would avoid such a writer as a poor authority, while foolish readers may imitate the flaws, and the swathes wouldn’t care unless they could “see themselves in” the flaws: a narcissistic projection, however humbling it may be. Yet what distinguishes good writing from bad writing is that it is *true to the experience.* A self-inserted hero is believable so long as he or she (etc.) is written by a writer who’s _gone through_ that struggle and so earned the right to write. (Your retrospective on the _Fellowship_ with the Professor sums that up comedically and beautifully, though I would never kill a puppy. 🐶) *In other words:* the Mary Sue appears idealized and unrealistic because the *situation* is unrealistic as depicted, whereas the _successful_ self-insert is more or less a faithful reproduction of events by an author who is also an authority worth listening to. (Tolkien and George Lucas clearly self-inserted, but they’d earned that right, and so did Salinger, Fitzgerald, Hemingway, etc.) I hope that helps; just throwing lumber on the fire. 🔥 keep it stoked. Great conversation. 🫀 hail Drinker and B.C. 🍻 🧳 Sincerely, Rinzai. *[({R.G.)}]* 🦉

@rinzaigigen2640

2 жыл бұрын

*Aesthetes, not swathes. Good God; AutoCorrect ought to be banned. ⛔️

Grand stream. I love both formats. The in depth talks with one guest and the mad lads (and at times lasses) mayhem. Never heard of her. Impressed !

Always thought the women in The Descent were badass. Tbh, the fact that there are hardly any men in the movie did not even cross my mind before all this identity politics nonsense took off.

@MarianFK

2 жыл бұрын

it's because the movie is simply about 6 people trapped in the depths of a mountain, with monsters following. As Drinker and Baggage have stated, they are all human, they have a good and a bad side and we get to see them both. If that movie premise was made today, it would include a scene of a male mocking the idea of women discovering a new cave system, and there wouldn't be betrayal between the main characters (one of the girls had an affair with another's husband). They would probably forgive each other because it was all the husband's fault and just tragically die.

Great Female Character Moment Queen Gorgo gets called names in the Senate in 300, so she takes Theron’s own sword, kills him with it, then gets proclaimed a hero by everyone who just witnessed it

The future of the MCU: Avengers: Identity War

@TomEyeTheSFMguy

2 жыл бұрын

Avengers: Femgame

@chrissedaka8141

2 жыл бұрын

A-Force(d Diversity)

@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself

2 жыл бұрын

Next from the M-She-U: Captain Shemerica and Iron Woman vs. The Toxic Manvengers.

@TomEyeTheSFMguy

2 жыл бұрын

@@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself Captain Shemerica: Toxic Masculinity War.

How do you improve girl fights in movies?: I've been a long time fan of martial arts films. In these films, regardless of gender, there are fights where the protagonist has to fight a bigger, stronger opponent. Using ingenuity and the environment is a great answer, but on a more fundamental level, it's simply about assessing the situation and acting accordingly. If someone is stronger than you, you cannot afford to be taking hits from them, so avoiding their attacks is essential. You also need to avoid being grabbed/grappled because it plays to their strengths. Being they're stronger, it's likely they'll also be able to absorb more damage, so just slugging it out and directing attacks at an area like the stomach isn't your best strategy. You have to chip away at them and attack their weak points to make them less effective. If an opportunity to grab an individual finger presents itself, bend it back. Attack their knees to limit their mobility. Get dirty if you have to. Male opponents have an obvious weak spot (technically two) and it can't be overstated how effective attacks to the eyes are. Other delicate areas such as the nose and areas around the neck are other prime targets. (Edit): Using mechanical advantage is another great strategy if you don't want the victory to appear cheap. Joint locks and using an opponents momentum against them are particularly viable in a movie fight. I specify "in a movie fight" because these strategies are far more risky in the real world because most people don't throw themselves at an opponent the way they do in movies and using holds places you in greater danger of being grabbed (which we've already established can be risky against a physically stronger opponent unless you're particularly adept at ground fighting). Intelligently choreographed fight sequences are an absolute joy to watch because they can be as nuanced in themselves as a good plot. Get someone that understands how to put together a decent fight scene and any dynamic can be made interesting to watch, whether it's two people that are evenly matched or two people with drastically different strengths, weaknesses and overall physical characteristics.

The following exchange did NOT take place in this discussion: "Stop Mansplaining!" "You mean being prescriptive." "Aarrgh!" Really enjoyable, thoughtful analysis. 10/10, will watch again.

Scarlets story was a true hero's journey. Rett's story was already set, and solid. He knows ways to survive and be one with his world. Ashley was the baby she could never have.

Nice to see Drinker dressed up for when a lady is on the show.

Just subscribed to Baggage Claim's channel. Thanks for introducing her to your audience, Drinker!

This was a brilliant and interesting conversation, thanks for the great video!

So great conversation! especially the part that talks about responsibilities, beautiful to see this level of adulthood on youtube.

Baggage Claim is quickly becoming one of my favorite KZread people. PLEASE have her on your shows more often. Intelligent, well reasoned, well spoken, funny and personable...all the things that make someone fun and engaging to listen to. More, more!

My top 3 female heroes 1. Sarah Connor from The Terminator & Terminator 2 Judgement Day 2. Beatrix Kiddo from Kill Bill Vol. 1 & 2 3. Valeria from Conan The Barbarian

"The Critical Drinker is toxic." You mean... intoxicated? :^)

It’s interesting. I can watch the Bogart Bacall movies over and over because those characters can go toe to toe. Those characters were whip-smart with sharp tongues.

I always enjoy your streams with laughter and escapism. This stream really taught me something. Thank you.

A lot of times i feel like my favorite onscreen female character gets passed over, Trinity of the Matrix. She’s a heroine who’s a mirror & equal to Neo in many ways, and leads when necessary. And all the while doesn’t come off as a man in a female online avatar, and (gasp) loves a man.

Shame it ended like it did. You two were great. Thanks for introducing me to Baggage Claim.

Wasn't able to catch this live, so I listened to it at work today. Tremendous stream. I'm going to have to check out Baggage Claim 's channel now. She was a wonderful guest.

Gotta be one of the best Happy Hours so far. I thought Aliens was the best chat, then Predator, then Hot Fuzz, but it just keeps on getting better. Had a really tough week so listening to this at work was amazing. Thank you, Drinker.

@TomEyeTheSFMguy

2 жыл бұрын

Do you remember the one where we did every movie title but with Kang?

@botep5529

2 жыл бұрын

Hot Fuzz is my favorite followed by Aliens with Dankula only because I've never heard Drinker laugh so much.

@connanbarb7579

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/dnp8x5JmdbmtkcY.html

I remember when Gravity came out there was a controversy that Sandra Bullocks character needed help from George Clooney. I hated that narrative. The help she received in no way diminishes the accomplishment of surviving against all those odds. Clooney, the veteran astronaut, knowing he doesn't have a chance for survival, imparts as much of his knowledge and experience to her as he can in the slimmest possible chance that she might be able to benefit from it and survive. And over the course of the film she (a rookie astronaut with no 3xperience in any kind of survival experience, whose hope is already hobbled by the death of her daughter) is able to draw on those resources, summon her own reserves, and survive and get back home. The idea that she should be able to do this without any help, just I guess coast through this disaster with nary a discouraging thought would be far more fantastical than anything she manages to overcome in that movie.

@MarianFK

2 жыл бұрын

You comment reminded me of a video I recently watched, about Toph from The Last Airbender TV cartoon. In case you don't know what I'm talking about (hope you do, that show is amazingly well written) Toph is a small girl who is blind. The show is about people who can control the 4 elements (earth, water, fire, air), with Toph being an earthbender who can "see" through the vibrations she feels in her feet (think of Daredevil). So, it's actually thanks to her blindness that she's actually stronger than older master earthbenders, she's s total badass, but she has this fixation on not wanting to be helped because she feels people are looking down on her, seeing her as frail and weak due to her blindness. This "I don't need your help" attitude is not praised at all, but it's portrayed as a defect of her personality because it doesn't allow her to truly open up to her friends. One of the characters finally tells her "I poured tea for you not because I thought you couldn't do it, but because I wanted to". Toph ultimately learns that she can accept help from her loved ones because they are not looking down on her, they just care about her. This is the point I wanted to make. Many times characters simply help each other because THAT'S WHO THEY ARE AND WANT, they are people who help others or simply people who want to help their loved ones. It's terrible that in today's standards, a man doesn't get to help a woman because then it's patriarchy! And women must always refuse the help because otherwise they are weak and submissive. It truly is sad.

Great video, guys. Insightful, funny and totally on point.

We love the original Die Hard because John McClane gets beat up, torn up, and bloodied. At the end he is a mess. And we feel every blow with him. We WANT to see him succeed, we want to see him save his wife, and beat Hans Gruber. We don't have the same love for the later movies where McClane has plot armor, and is basically a cartoon. We love Ellen Ripley in Alien and Aliens because she isn't superhuman, she isn't a badass soldier, but she does what she needs to *despite* being terrified. Being totally fearless means you are a fool. Doing something dangerous despite your fears is human, and it is brave, and the audience will root for a character like that.

@davyboy9397

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like the 3rd movie should have actually been the 2nd movie in the series. It's pretty good

@lynngreen7978

2 жыл бұрын

@@davyboy9397 Ending with him agreeing to move to LA, making Al his partner. Continuity for the two makes no sense as presented.

@davyboy9397

2 жыл бұрын

@@lynngreen7978 Obviously there are continuity issues 🙄 lol, I'm not a moron

@davyboy9397

2 жыл бұрын

@@lynngreen7978 My point is. The second movie doesn't feel like part of the series . The direction is bad. The third does , gives the same action

@lynngreen7978

2 жыл бұрын

@@davyboy9397 I felt like the second was almost a beat for beat remake of the first. Just horizontal instead of vertical.

Drinker! This Stream is awesome! I love all the sessions with the other usual suspects but this one is so refreshing. The guest, the topic, the analyzing, your behavior and articulation just because of this smart lady. This discussion is one of the best videos. I love the critical drinker very much, but this not so much drunk critic needs to come more often. The quality of your videos depends of course on the guests you have. Baggage Claim obviously brings only the best of you to light. You must find a way to invite her again or introduce her to the other guys and girls you collaborate with.

@tigerwarsaw99

2 жыл бұрын

Well put.

@connanbarb7579

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/dnp8x5JmdbmtkcY.html

@steveborzilleri1573

2 жыл бұрын

Here here! clink This was the first Open Bar / Happy Hour that I actually watched all the way through in one sitting. No pausing to finish later or the next day. I wanted to hear everything they had to say, and was bummed when it ended. I think this was the most engaging discussion he's had with any guest.

I can’t help to notice how Drinker lines up perfectly with the background lol

@silaswilson8122

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Why has no one else Acknowledge this. It threw me off for a second, I actually thought he had bottle of wisky in his hand.

Baggage Claim really crushed it with her video(s). So happy "a female" speaks such sanity to trending insanity.

@loturzelrestaurant

2 жыл бұрын

Fans dread Amazon ruining Stargate. I dont know, this seems to be the 1 Sci-Fi-Masterpiece that Drinker never got into and therefore never covered, which is a shame, tbh.

man, i was terrified when i saw this is 3 hours long...suprisingly, all those disscusions about parenting and children were very deep, went far beyond the movie frame...good job

Watching this for the first time tonight. Excellent show btw. Two of my favorite KZreadrs . An epic meeting of the minds. I think Drinker fell over and his camera is wired in such a way to pause in that event, being the drinker and all. Like a dead man switch if you will. Great show love you both, cheers.

Really enjoyed the talk between you two. Good dynamic for sure. Please bring BC back in the future Drinker. Cheers, Sev

"Courage is not the absence of fear; courage is being afraid but doing it anyway." another thing with Eowyn that people forget...is shes basically Rohan royalty. she needed to be kept out of the battle not only because shes a woman and War is mans domain, but Because She needed to protect the line of Rohan's Kings, if anything happened to her brother or her Uncle she'd be the one to have to step up and lead her people. also SHE was the one that led their refugees to Helms deep since their fighters, including her uncle and brother stayed behind to hold off the orcs, It was Lady Eowyn that led the people of Rohan to helms deep, it was Her in the secret caverns with her people keeping them calm and comforting them. and THAT is just as powerful as her going up against the witch-king.

It goes both ways. I'm now a proud Baggage Claim subscriber!

Very interesting conversation, beautiful insight of "the message". Also nice chemistry

Corporal Jane Proudfoot voiced by Peri Gilpin from Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within should get honorable mention. And Vasquez from ALIENS.

@chemoboy-dannypheleps9234

2 жыл бұрын

Roz Doyle on Frasier. Haha

@woodjohnn

2 жыл бұрын

“Hey Vasquez, have you ever been mistaken for a man?” “No. Have you?”

As a geeky girl working in the VFX industry, I cannot find the words to express how adorable it is to hear the Critical Drinker discussing Sex and the City. Great discussion, thanks to you both!

Great discussion, ladies and gents!

This was a very nice stream, a very good talk, and a great guest. Too bad about the brake off at the end :-)

I never knew you had a second channel like this man! This is cool, first one I'm watching. Subb'ed.

Eowyn vs the Witch King is a great moment in cinema

@SpartyCubsFan

2 жыл бұрын

Far better in the books, it provides far more depth of how heroic her actions really were

@SJMG

2 жыл бұрын

@@SpartyCubsFan people don't understand how much better the book handles its characters.

Awesome guest! great conversation.

Great discussion on the difference between genuinely strong and rounded female characters of the past and the insecure, two-dimensional cyphers Hollywood, the BBC, etc churns out today. Shame it cut off at the end. Baggage Claim was great - hopefully you guys will be able to pick up where you left off at some point.

Gone Girls explores that perfectly.

Roger Moore played down his own acting skills but have you seen his performance in SHOUT AT THE DEVIL? What starts out as a goofy light-hearted comedy quickly descends into a story of blind hatred, revenge and self sacrifice. Fantastic writing and brilliant acting by all involved.

@lifeuncommon1116

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. This film was a staple of my early formative years.

Really enjoyed this video stream. Subbed to Baggage Claim as well.

Spot on. We should value Women’s unique strengths.

@Gunni1972

2 жыл бұрын

Why can't we value people's individual strengths in general? Could be a boy, a girl, elderly or even handicapped, independant from sexual orientation, religion or skin colour. All they need to be is remotely human.

I thought I could party til forever, have one night stands, do drugs then woke up one day in my mid 30s feeling empty inside. Fortunately I had met my soon to be wife a few years before. We reconnected, married, had kids & now my fulfillment is every day.

@aonghusofaolain8686

11 ай бұрын

Lucky you

What a wonderful video, please add more of this

Fantastic discussion, guys! I must say, a Bond discussion between Drinker and Calvin Dyson would be awesome!

Excellent discussion: just 1 thought...I wish, when it comes to strong & well written female characters, Jodie Foster's Clarice Starling in Silence of the Lambs, and Frances McDormand's Marge Gunderson in Fargo were mentioned more often. Both are great characters who happen to be female.

@albatross8361

2 жыл бұрын

Tedd, imho, Jodie Foster's Eleanor Arroway in 'Contact' qualifies as a strong female character. The guns she sticks to are metaphorical rather than actual, but she shows great strength and determination to overcome waves of difficulty, and does it as a highly intelligent young woman, before showing enormous courage in voyaging into the unknown. The movie stumbles a bit towards then end when it wants her to be vulnerable or even needy, but at the end we see she is back on track.

@teddkave327

2 жыл бұрын

@@albatross8361 You're absolutely right. She's truly is a heroic character in that film, showing, as you said, determination, strength & courage...and all without any physical fighting, gun-play or some evil villain to defeat. God I love that film!

@albatross8361

2 жыл бұрын

@@teddkave327 and it has that very fine Silvestri soundtrack too, which is on KZread.

@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme

2 жыл бұрын

I LOVE Jodi

This is a fantastic discussion, enjoyed every bit of it !

Baggage Claim is a breath of fresh air. I love her energy

How come no one mentions Clarice Sterling as a Strong female character

@weswolever7477

2 жыл бұрын

Clarice goes up against Dr Lecter and holds her own, then goes against Buffalo Bill and blows him away. Scared and unsure of herself both times, keeps her nerves and succeeds both times

@albatross8361

2 жыл бұрын

​@@weswolever7477 imho, Jodie Foster's Eleanor Arroway in 'Contact' qualifies as a strong female character. The guns she sticks to are metaphorical rather than actual, but she shows strength and determination to overcome waves of difficulty, and does it as a highly intelligent young woman, before showing enormous courage in voyaging into the unknown. The movie stumbles a bit towards then end when it wants her to be vulnerable or even needy, but at the end we she is back on track.

I have the same shirt as The Drinker!! 🤣🤣. Great chat with Baggage Claim. 👍🏾

So enjoyable. Thank you both.

You know the (injured) Steve Rogers scene where he was facing Thanos army??? AL BUNDY also did that defending an old high school girlfriend against a young thug and his gang :D Married with children: Season 8 Episode 2: Hood in the Boyz So in short.... Al Bundy is just like Cpt America

@och70

2 жыл бұрын

Captain America never scored four touchdowns in one game.