Victor Jr: "I will murder the person you love most in this world!" Victor Frankenstien: "No! I beg of you! Please don't kill me!

@JaneDoeSignedHancock

4 жыл бұрын

Ha! Also I love that you call him Victor Jr., that's what I'm going to call him now.

@Lunacorva

4 жыл бұрын

@@JaneDoeSignedHancock I call him that because it speaks a truth that Victor ignored: He had a son.

@JaneDoeSignedHancock

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lunacorva everyone in my life is tired of my "Victor is a piece of shit" rants. Am I the only one who thinks him and Elizabeth is super creepy? Like, dude that's your sister.

@JaneDoeSignedHancock

4 жыл бұрын

@@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967 I know, and I understand, but it still grosses me out. What's messed up is that his parents adopted her planning to marry her off to Victor.

@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967

4 жыл бұрын

@@JaneDoeSignedHancock Yeah, that actually probably wasn't normal back then... But at least it's not technically incest if she's adopted?

Fun fact: The reason all modern interpretations of Frankenstein's monster are green, is because during the era of black and white movies, if you wanted an actor to look very pale, like corpse pale, you would paint them mint green, because mint green translates white in black and white film. All artistic depictions of Frankenstein's monster before colored film was invented had much more human skin tones, until colored behind the scenes photos of Boris Karloff painted green were released, and people thought that the monster was meant to be green, and that image stuck ever since. You're welcome for that wacky anecdote to share at Halloween parties.

@wandanemer2630

4 жыл бұрын

Look at that! How interesting! Thanks for the info! 💜

@VegetaLF7

4 жыл бұрын

Similar to how Godzilla wasn't meant to be green at first, he was grey. It wasn't until some of the posters for the films started coloring him green that he started being thought of as that color, a change that stuck once the series left the black and white film world and started coming out in color.

@Painocus

3 жыл бұрын

@@VegetaLF7 Godzilla was supposed to be black in the original, his skin was supposed to look burnt, and he has never been green in the colour films (except for the first American catoon).

@Grim_Sister

3 жыл бұрын

The living room of the Adams Family also was painted a particular shade of Salmon to get that odd pale color and lighting.

@user-kw7mr6xt9n

3 жыл бұрын

ah, that explains why all the walls on sitcoms that transitioned from black and white to color were painted the same odd shade of green...

Fun Fact: the Creature of Frankenstein is a giant because Victor said working with skinny little veins was too tiresome so he got bigger body parts to make it easier. This of course made his creation much more terrifying as it was a giant.

@hasturthekinginyellow5003

8 ай бұрын

I mean, tall people are already kinda scary, so now imagine this hulking 7'11" man with a raven dark mane, pearly white teeth, almost no body fat (so his olive/parchment colored skin looks tight around his muscles) and with really creepy eyes, and tell me that you wouldn't freak out if you saw him at night

@metarcee2483

8 ай бұрын

I know several people who work in the medical field, and have had to have my blood drawn fairly frequently. I've been told that large, firm veins are the easiest to work with. I have these veins.

@melvinfranco2142

8 ай бұрын

​@@metarcee2483I will use your veins for my own version of Frankenstein's experiment.

@metarcee2483

8 ай бұрын

@@melvinfranco2142 that's the most disturbing sentence I've ever heard in my life.

@melvinfranco2142

8 ай бұрын

@@metarcee2483 Thank you.

Wow, Walton really mailed his sister a 280 page novel.

@RonnieFlare17

11 ай бұрын

Margaret is at the end of the world’s longest and weirdest gossip chain.

@melvinfranco2142

8 ай бұрын

@@RonnieFlare17 Margaret: Let's see if Mary Shelley (an old friend of mine) would like to write this? It's a splendid idea of a read.

@Winky-Klink

5 ай бұрын

Hands down favorite part of the book is imagining Margaret back in England just processing all the shit this random letter from her brother just threw at her.

@Ceruleansquid-lo3iv

5 ай бұрын

The real mystery in this story is why he has so much paper. What was he planning to do with it? Does he write these long letters to her often?

@Grimsded

4 ай бұрын

It's OK I'm sure she loved it. Literally me and my sis sending each other novels of our shit day at work via text. 😅😅🙂🙂

Moral I was expecting: don’t play god, science can go too far sometimes, etc. Moral I got: If you go and make a science son you BETTER love him and take care of him

@megamike15

4 жыл бұрын

victor is a huge dick for abandoning his monster. i feel more bad for the monster then victor.

@diegobrando3409

4 жыл бұрын

@@megamike15 yeah. It also seems unreasonable that he did, because he was beautiful, even though he had a lot of scars, he shouldn't have frightened Victor as much as he did. If anything he should have been proud his son was that handsome, but instead he freaked out because his eyes glowed yellow.

@mostlyghostie

4 жыл бұрын

Or maybe “Don’t Be Victor Frankenstein”?

@sourpetals1823

4 жыл бұрын

@@diegobrando3409 to be fair in the book it said the monsters face contorted in strange ways, so i think its fair to assume that he looked best when he wasnt moving, and when he moved he was super uncanny valley that said if victor was real, i would beat him up for being a dick to his beautifully hideous son

@sperenox

4 жыл бұрын

@@sourpetals1823 in an AU where Victor kept the creature: Creature: Dad ma- jawbone- dro'ed out again! Victor: Why did I made you again? Clerval: VICTOR!!!

I forgot that the entirety of Frankenstein is literally just a long letter written by a man with amazing memory of a story told by a man with amazing memory that involves his sorta-son who ALSO has amazing memory.

@iqaznili

3 жыл бұрын

You should check the Name of the Wind book.

@merrittanimation7721

3 жыл бұрын

And Dracula is a series of letters by people with perfect grammar and spelling also with good memory.

@kevlarman9565

3 жыл бұрын

Runs in the “family”.

@helios24601

3 жыл бұрын

@@merrittanimation7721 Well letters, diary entries & news clippings. That's always been an issue with me with epistolary novels; like do you really expect us that someone can write diary entries detailed THIS well? I can barely remember what I had for breakfast the day before.

@jesusbrito5165

3 жыл бұрын

@@helios24601 No, nobody does . Epistolary novels demand some suspension of disbelief, in the framming in the same vein that Modern Family its a "documentary", its just a framing secuence, that granted made more sense in the 19th century, but still. And i am sorry but since its a novel in wich a man with 19th century understanding of biology and technology brings forth a somewhat human creature to life from a quilt of corpses, questioning the realism of the extent of the character's memory, seems like a bad faith nitpick, do you do the same thing with a regular (less creative) 1st person narrator who's suppose to be a mere human talking directly to you very clearly remembering things from years ago? .

Fun fact: Frankenstein is a last name, so calling the monster Frankenstein isn't actually wrong because it would be it's last name too.

@keigoftw

2 жыл бұрын

It definitely should have been! >:'(

@MeepChangeling

2 жыл бұрын

Also "the Monster" has a proper name. Adam. He says so. He chose the name Adam because "I ought to have been thy Adam." So he's Adam Frankanstine.

@stevemc01

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeepChangeling Fs in chat for Adam

@ronikeene9253

2 жыл бұрын

that wasnt him naming himself, it was him making an allusion to the biblical creation myth with himself as adam and victor as god

@grenaja

2 жыл бұрын

Henceforth, I'll call him Frankenstein Jr.

I heard a theory that I like, that Victor was designed to mock all the self-centered academics that plagued Mary Shelley while she was in college.

@rum_coke_17

10 ай бұрын

That is awesome

@vitraartist2622

8 ай бұрын

He's a direct parody of Lord Byron who has multiple books written with him in mind. I don't quite remember the names of the other ones but one was just basically an expose with the names changed. One guy single handedly created the gothic protagonist.

@metarcee2483

8 ай бұрын

I completely believe that theory. Lord Byron had a pet bear when he was a student at Cambridge, and he never even had the title of Lord, he just called himself that.

@liamjm9278

6 ай бұрын

@@metarcee2483 He was born a noble, that's why he's called Lord. Nobles are called Lords. It became more prevalent when he inherited from another Lord Byron and people just kept calling him Lord so it stuck.

@Ravus_Sapiens

6 ай бұрын

As good as that hypothesis feels, I do have one question: are we talking about the same Frankenstein? The one written by Mary Shelly (born 1797, died 1851)? Women didn't go to university then. Heck, less than 40% of women could _read_ when Mary was born. It's a nice, feel-good hypothesis, but it has no basis in reality. The first women's colleges wouldn't even open until 10 years after Shelly died(!)

Long story short: Victor is ashamed of his first OC.

@reecelongden3500

6 жыл бұрын

Aren't we all? ;)

@horseenthusiast1250

6 жыл бұрын

Though only the talented few can physically manifest their first OC

@IronycheinPain

6 жыл бұрын

AsterOrca He was practically ashamed of ALL his OC's, he killed his second one for thinking she may be a Mary Sue in the future, making the first OC want to kill him. Seriously though, I feel like making a weird fanfic from this story, except it's not a scientist and it ain't Victo-Goth and Sci-Fi. Instead, it's a modern character designer who wants to be famous!

@mladen7641

6 жыл бұрын

We've all been there

@cassetteaesthetic6958

6 жыл бұрын

I was ashamed of mine, I know feel bad

“Abandoning your science child to the elements because you didn’t get his eye color right” B-but red _it was a color unlike any seen before_

@teresaellis7062

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! 🤣

@kamille286

2 жыл бұрын

I literally just watched that video before this one XD

@kevinmeeker2832

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamille286 Same! Perfect reference!

@aleenasabu9473

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@the_magictriangle2602

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao lovecraft that you?

I love the detail that Victor slowly is getting more gray hair, more so with the major stressors in his life than the passage of time.

@thehistorianjt3929

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@taelenfl27_

Жыл бұрын

I don't know where I heard that when Victor met Walton his hair was all gray, but XD, I don't think it's true

@capperbuns

Жыл бұрын

Same thing happened to me. Well, not the same, but i do look old af in some areas. Stress is a bitch.

@earlwajenberg733

11 ай бұрын

Good point. He doesn't *live* long enough to get gray hair by aging.

"you can just not put her reproductive organs in" this is LITERALLY what my entire class said when we were talking about Frankenstein during my senior year in high school, everybody clowned on Victor for that

@koolmckool7039

2 жыл бұрын

This still leaves the possibility that the monster and his bride wouldn't get along. This is still equally terrible.

@MeepChangeling

2 жыл бұрын

@@koolmckool7039 So what? Just keep making them until you have one that works. The other huge prefect women can go to Brazil and be Amazons :D

@koolmckool7039

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeepChangeling By George man, do you want a bunch of Incredible Hulkesses walking around?

@koolmckool7039

2 жыл бұрын

@greatest greg Oh my.

@koolmckool7039

2 жыл бұрын

@greatest greg The fun kind.

It wasn't just the eyes. If I remember the book correctly, the monster's supposed to look like a gaunt, jaundiced corpse. But one that has what should be beautiful features, like his proportions, his flowing black hair, and his pearly white teeth. Basically, Victor was upset that his beautiful man, that he made out of literal dead people, ended up looking like he was made out of dead people. He probably should've thought that one through.

@wandanemer2630

4 жыл бұрын

Seriously tho. That's what you get when you don't refrigerate or preserve your corpses during the year it takes to build your Beautiful Undead Man.

@Creator_indy

3 жыл бұрын

What was he expecting? he literally stitched a bunch of dead rotting body parts together and brought it to life

@wandanemer2630

3 жыл бұрын

@@Creator_indy I know, right? What the fuck, Victor?

@josukejostar277

3 жыл бұрын

So what I wanna look like

@alienindisguise5546

3 жыл бұрын

Victor: eeehhhhh, from aFar you look pretty Hot but up close you look like a dead guy. fuuuuuuu'

"-because he was basically a GIANT NEWBORN BABY, VICTOR." EXACTLY, VICTOR.

@wandanemer2630

4 жыл бұрын

The creature's Literal first actions were to *smile and reach out to him.* LIKE AN *INFANT* DOES... VICTOR.

@bl4cksp1d3r

3 жыл бұрын

Fu*king Victor smh

@jamiel6005

3 жыл бұрын

Wanda Nemer Why did you feel the need to point this out... ouch 😭

@wandanemer2630

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamiel6005 Sorry... but if I must suffer, YALL suffer with me!

@catherineblack2438

3 жыл бұрын

WHAT THE HELL VICTOR?

Im gonna be real with you, Clerval's death was the most heartbreaking event in the whole book. That shit almost broke me

@GSBarlev

9 ай бұрын

I remember being devastated at Elizabeth's death when I first read the novel as a teenager. It was one of my first experiences with the Woobie trope.

@guytowers

8 ай бұрын

i cried three times this week and two were over clerval’s death

@Minnie_Stronni

8 ай бұрын

Sure, Clerval had a sunshine personality and really loved nature, but he also wanted to help the English colonize India and convert them to Christianity. I realize to Shelley, this was probably a worthy ideal, much the same way as St. John's actions are portrayed in Jane Eyre, but that doesn't mean Clerval was actually a good person.

@guytowers

8 ай бұрын

@@Minnie_Stronni NUH UH

@BingoBosnia

7 ай бұрын

@@Minnie_Stronni Actually, in the 1818 edition on the book it isn't mentioned to be specifically for supporting the colonial ambitions. That was edited in the 1831 edition perhaps because Mary Shelley faced scrutiny for not supporting colonialism at the time.

Intelligence is knowing Frankenstein is the doctor. Wisdom is knowing Frankenstein is also the monster.

@self-conscious-turtle

Жыл бұрын

Knowledge is knowing Frankenstein isn't the doctor either

@thenumber27issomehowtaken

Жыл бұрын

No, true wisdom is that they are both monsters. While the monster's existence is tragic, it is not a justification for all that he has done. Also, despite the fact that the Monster hate's it's own painful existence, it wishes to create another one of it's kind. Even though that perfect monster wife would live a life just as messed up, painful, and lonely as his own.

@templarw20

Жыл бұрын

The Creature is not the monster. Frankenstein is.

@lukeskinner7900

Жыл бұрын

@@templarw20 killing people is bad impo

@warrenhillston5899

10 ай бұрын

@@templarw20 The monster is certainly the monster. He's the one who actively chooses to murder several people just to exact his petty revenge. Victor doesn't actually kill anybody and blaming him for the people the monster kills is as absurd as blaming a killer's parents for birthing the killer.

I love how the grey streak in Victor's hair gets larger and larger as the story progresses.

@agungpriambodo1674

5 жыл бұрын

me too

@raspberrycrowns9494

4 жыл бұрын

Kinda how it represents how he goes madder and madder

@ndJssFlurt

4 жыл бұрын

@@raspberrycrowns9494 He doesn't go mad, he's just trying to avoid responsibility.

@raspberrycrowns9494

4 жыл бұрын

@@ndJssFlurt Probably My second guess is Marie Antoinette syndrome

@ndJssFlurt

4 жыл бұрын

@@raspberrycrowns9494 What's Marie Antoinette syndrome? It sounds interesting!!!

Frankenstein's monster to Victor: "WHEN WILL YOU LEARN! WHEN WILL YOU LEARN! THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE *CONSEQUENCES!!* AAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!"

@wardabatool717

4 жыл бұрын

Have you seen that video of Frankenstein vines? Cuz that exact joke is in there too

@thecourtjester2610

4 жыл бұрын

Yap

@uchihabomber1296

4 жыл бұрын

For some reason I read that in Arnold Schwarzeneggers voice

@mgdsheseverywhere.3457

4 жыл бұрын

Eyyyyy, I seen that too!!

@Flame-rp6yq

4 жыл бұрын

Victor: this is fine.

Victor describing how he created life from corpses:... Victor describing how Safie, the woman he never met, came to know the Delacy's, a damily he never met: OKAY SO HER DAD--

@battlesheep2552

Жыл бұрын

TBF, it makes sense that he glosses over how he created life because he wanted the secret to die with him

@otissupreme7918

8 ай бұрын

Victor explicitly states in the book that he refuses to divulge the secret, lest someone else go down the path he did

@MattMcIrvin

21 күн бұрын

​@@otissupreme7918 I always thought that was clever: Mary Shelley wasn't interested in solving the problem of making up a plausible science-fiction explanation of how to create life from un-life, and her narrator (well, one of them) has a perfectly reasonable motivation for not telling us.

@rodlurks66

12 күн бұрын

@@MattMcIrvin most early science fiction writers hand-waved exactly how the key functions actually worked (how a time machine worked, how to create life, etc) but Shelley pulled it of better than most.

What gets me about Justine's death is that her trial apparently takes at least a week. And Victor just sits on his hands the whole time angsting about how much the entire situation sucks for him instead of... You know. Coming up with a better alibi than "science experiment gone wrong".

@warrenhillston5899

10 ай бұрын

You do realise that even if he confesed he had no proof the monster killed William, right? The whole thing is stupid because we are supposed to believe the giant monster was able to wonder around Geneva completely unnoticed, stumble upon a rich kid, kill him without anyone seeing anything, somehow sneaking into the Frankensteins' house and planting the necklace in Justine's pocket and run all the way back to Ingolstadt to dramatically pose during the storm tu hunt Victor. I love the book, but a lot of things fall appart at the least bit of scrutiny.

@akirachaossuta

8 ай бұрын

@@warrenhillston5899 What annoys me most is that is should be obvious Justine didn't kill William, compare the size of the hand print bruises on Williams neck should be enough to confirm she wouldn't be able to do it.

@Jewls2

7 ай бұрын

@@warrenhillston5899Justine wasn’t in the house, she was in a barn

@hirnlos9462

13 күн бұрын

@@warrenhillston5899 Adam Frankenstein didnt run back to Ingolstadt. The jerk Frankenstein saw him just prior to arriving home in Geneva. But he does have no prove that Adam Frankenstein was the murderer other than seeing him exists in the general area, after having not interacted with Adam since his creation.

As I read it, the monster was TOO beautiful, in that his features were mismatched and unsettling. For example, it touches on his overly perfect teeth, and I kinda get the image of the stereotypical shady salesman who has the way-too-bright and wide set smile. Plus, y'know, the monster is definitely described as having yellow corpse skin that's almost too tight to fit his 8-foot muscle-bound body, so I have to think it wasn't just his eyes that wigged people out.

@vogonp4287

3 жыл бұрын

By our standards, the creature would probably fit into the uncanny valley.

@BLS31

3 жыл бұрын

Hm.. So, the monster looks like the emperor from War Hammer 40K?

@makenziemadison1623

3 жыл бұрын

@@BLS31 heresy

@lgr9793

3 жыл бұрын

@@BLS31 or your average slaaneshi worshiper

@ianbyrne465

3 жыл бұрын

@@BLS31 that’s him inquisitor! That’s the bad man!

This could have become a sitcom if he didnt abandon his monster

@CJCroen1393

5 жыл бұрын

I know you were probably thinking buddy sitcom with Victor and the Monster, but all I could picture the premise being was Victor frantically trying to hide the Monster from his perky boyfriend Clerval.

@qunrcm591

4 жыл бұрын

Some one should make that

@ariannarichardson7713

4 жыл бұрын

@@CJCroen1393 so like how to train your dragon number one??

@ninjabluefyre3815

4 жыл бұрын

New in Town Frankenstein's Monster's New in Town

@qunrcm591

4 жыл бұрын

@@ninjabluefyre3815 I was literally just watching John Mulaney. Are you stalking me? Lol

How to describe book's Victor Frankenstein?: 40% scientific intelligence 1% Other types of intelligence 9% Impulsiveness 50% Anxiety

@erebus53xy

Жыл бұрын

... sounds like your typical Autistic scientist to me....

@possums154

Жыл бұрын

i'm frightened and confused at the fact that you've basically described me. should i be worried? if yes, should i avoid going to college so i don't repeat his mistakes

@ALJ9000

10 ай бұрын

@@possums154 You can go to college if you want, just don’t get involved with reanimation or equivalent fields

@GSBarlev

9 ай бұрын

There's a reason why people draw comparisons between Victor and, say, Robert Oppenheimer.

@baonkang5990

8 ай бұрын

High INT low WIS character

9:56 "You made me alone. Make it _right."_ Okay, seriously, that's a great line right there.

Victor, raiding a bunch of graveyards: “I’ll make a man out of youuuu.”

@weesalikesmilktea4829

4 жыл бұрын

OOoohhh that's good.

@fabulousmyriad267

4 жыл бұрын

You must be swift as the coursing river..with all the force of a great typhoon..strength of a raging fire..mysterious as the dark side of the moon. Accurately describes the Creature's disappearing act for most of the book.

@beccag2758

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@toby4514

4 жыл бұрын

Victor, when he turns on the life-anator : BE A MAAAAAANN

@bonnieallen4124

4 жыл бұрын

(doodoodoodoodoo doo)

Mary Shelley really flexed on all of us by writing a classic when she was EIGHTEEN.

@videogollumer

2 жыл бұрын

Inspired by a nightmare she had, no less. Plus, it was in the early 19th century.

@geologist1235

2 жыл бұрын

You could take it as the inverse though. The greatest work of Mary Shelley was completed when she was only 18 so she never managed to reach that peak again. Personally, I'd rather only construct my magnum opus when I'm old.

@anonymousleapyear5616

Жыл бұрын

you can also take it as an example that you're never too young to write a masterpiece (or make one by other means) and never to underestimate yourself because sometimes all you need is to show it to someone

@jamesstewart5706

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the most important take away is that age, old, young, or anywhere between, is not an indicator of competence and capability.

@zionleach3001

Жыл бұрын

Apparently the Metro 2033 novel was made when Dmitri Glukhovsky was 18.

Now I want a version where Victor is an dumb doting parent. "This is my handsome boy." Edit: Look, Ma, I'm famous

@mafic3351

2 жыл бұрын

So, basically the plot of The Powerpuff Girls?

@alexconn7473

2 жыл бұрын

Well it's not about victor himself but I think young Frankenstein counts

@TJDious

Жыл бұрын

Then it becomes the same story except little Frankie talks like the goth kids from South Park.

@ghostiieeseason

Жыл бұрын

if clerval doesnt get in on the action i don't want it

@mitchfletcher2386

Жыл бұрын

@@ghostiieeseason Clerval is obviously the fun uncle

It’s hard to understand without reading the book exactly how much time Victor spends random fainting or getting sick whenever things are getting interesting

@scream-7719

11 ай бұрын

Man too much

@Doodles-es1ep

10 ай бұрын

he’s described as “feverish” for so much of the book it’s surprising he doesn’t have brain damage

@ElleStuart

7 ай бұрын

It’s a mood and it’s hilariously tragic

@syzygythenightwingwatches

3 ай бұрын

tbh hes just the genevan raskolnikov

@TwighlightLugia

3 ай бұрын

Name a better duo than the Victorian era and wilting protagonists who listlessly faint onto a nearby mound of pillows

Imagine a version of this story where Clerval shows up as soon as the monster opens his eyes and insists to Victor that they raise him, basically becoming the Good Dad to Victor's Deadbeat Dad

@wandanemer2630

4 жыл бұрын

To think Clerval was LESS THAN A DAY LATE to the Creation is insane!! He was literally just hours away!! The story would have been SO diferent!

@molotovmafia2406

3 жыл бұрын

OMG i´m gonna make a comic about this idea, it´s great! *khm* do you permit?

@QQ-dw9pl

3 жыл бұрын

@@molotovmafia2406 when'll it be out

@molotovmafia2406

3 жыл бұрын

@@QQ-dw9pl idk, i´m starting it tomorrow... maybe a week or 2 but i don´t promise anything

@97Multiphantom

3 жыл бұрын

Irina K. Can’t wait to see it!

Original Frankenstein's monster: I am an intelligent creature! Victor is the real monster for creating me and not owning up to the responsibility of making a living creature! Modern Frankenstein's monster: Oog

@wandanemer2630

4 жыл бұрын

At least the Penny Dreadfull version is faithfull to both Book Creature (articulate and wounded with long black hair) and Book Victor (dangerously sleep deprived and staved narsissist). So that's good I guess.

@SquidOSpace

3 жыл бұрын

OOG

@General12th

3 жыл бұрын

@@reesehendricksen4838 Did you, though?

@chukyuniqul

3 жыл бұрын

@@reesehendricksen4838 I believe that if we absolve victor of his faults and mistakes (which are far more than "one failure as a dad") we kinda lose the poignant message of the book. After all, victor was very much a flawed man who tried to play god. And while "don't play god" is a very stupid and childish statement to make when trying to sound deep, "make sure you take utmost care when handling unexplored fields in your science" is a very good subject to take on. Especially because the book makes it a point to show it brought misery to Victor while the costs the others suffered were glossed over.

@chukyuniqul

3 жыл бұрын

@@reesehendricksen4838 To be fair, Frankenstein -I feel-is very much a story without a villain. No character is vile just for the shit of it, the monster is NOT a good person but in all fairness he was taught much worse by the world around him (I feel he was a very stalwart true neutral, in pillock terms) while the good doctor was a self-centered man whose only crime was making human mistakes in the worst possible moments (he was chaotic neutral). Neither of them is wrong or right and they both suffer directly both from their faults and the other's.

I find Frankensteins monster to be one of the most tragic and depressing characters in fiction. He was born only to be abandoned by his creator, his ugly appearance giving him no chance to get sympathy. From the beginning of his life he was treated like a monster and had to figure out the most basic of survival skills. The worst part is he got to observe what a loving family looked like and learned how to feel sympathy and compassion, only to have no one every give it to him in return despite his attempts to make a connection or act in kindness. He has no identity other than him being a monster that no one likes and is truely alone in the world. Not only does the creature KNOW what he is missing, but he KNOWS he will always be alone, all while fully emotionally aware of his inner torment. He makes the awful decision and kills his creators family purely for revenge and realizes at the end he has truely brought nothing but suffering upon the earth he found beautiful, thus fulfilling his status as a monster, and giving him no chance for retribution. Parts of his self loathing monologues have actually been relatable to me when I had depressive episodes, so it really hits hard.

@GSBarlev

9 ай бұрын

Also imagine if growing up you only ever read three books throughout your whole childhood and one of them was _The Sorrows of Young Werther_

@magnusbane420

4 ай бұрын

​@@GSBarlev Ah, yes, the book that was so popular with young English lovesick men who had no chance at winning their love hearts, so they killed themselves in the same way as the protagonist and left the book on the nightstand so often that a law was passed to ban the book. No wonder the monster was so overtly dramatic.

@ghouling1111

Ай бұрын

See, I don’t see it as revenge- it’s war. It’s for survival i. From the eyes of a being that’s been brutalised and he starts fighting back.

This was the first book I had to read for school that I liked. I remember my teacher talking about the idea of Frankenstein's monster going "mngrahh, mnngrraahhh!" in the movies and referencing that in the book it was infant baby noises coming out of the throat of a newly created grown man, essentially looking at his creator and going "dada," looking for comfort and affection. And then... the rest of the story happens.

@anthonydelarosa

7 ай бұрын

I could see that working in a new film adaptation.

Another fun fact: The books that Victor was studying to develop his theories to give life to his monster were alchemical texts. So technically, Frankenstein's Monster is a homunculus.

@criticalfailure6464

3 жыл бұрын

So, Victor attempted human transmutation successfully?

@NecroCritic

3 жыл бұрын

@@criticalfailure6464 Well, it DID wind up costing him everything. Just not directly...

@criticalfailure6464

3 жыл бұрын

I suppose it did.

@blueteller

3 жыл бұрын

@@criticalfailure6464 Well, even in FMA *someone* must have succeeded in creating the first homunculus. My theory is that the one who did it died in the process and his partner claimed the achievement. Tch, typical...

@fletcharn8205

3 жыл бұрын

That has got to be the coolest literary technicality I have ever heard

"But as he progresses, he realized something that few authors seem to have internalized: that just dropping a girlfriend in front of a guy won't actually guarantee that they'll get along." I'M QUAKING AT THE ACCURACY OF THIS

@kevinmeeker2832

2 жыл бұрын

"But they're opposite genders. They have to...do the...you know!" _That's not how it works._

@alisalevenseller2796

2 жыл бұрын

Proof that the story was written by a woman who had seen marriages not work out.

@TheMegannZ

2 жыл бұрын

How you know this story was written by a woman:

@user-ow7il5ci3q

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMegannZ the author's name is Mary Shelley.

@mango4723

2 жыл бұрын

FINALLY, AN AUTHOR THAT UNDERSTANDS!

I found Frankensteins' monster yelling "Woob woob woob" after killing Elizabeth far funnier than I should have.

I seriously love how his hair gets progressively more white as the story goes on

@thehistorianjt3929

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@kingaxolotl4085

Жыл бұрын

It’s to reflect how Victor is becoming more insane as time goes by

@oscarramirez2697

9 ай бұрын

​@@kingaxolotl4085also it shows how stressed he is as well

Victor: "I want to learn how to create life!" Victor's parents: "Well, you see, when you love someone very much-" Victor: "NO THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT"

@wandanemer2630

4 жыл бұрын

But that's what his parents wanted him to do. XD

@josukejostar277

3 жыл бұрын

Victor: I wanna make life like a lizard by myself

@d.tsukuyomi1869

3 жыл бұрын

Viktor's parents never gave him the talk.

@ZephLodwick

3 жыл бұрын

@@josukejostar277 There's a feminist reading of the book where Victor's fault was that he tried to create life by completely bypassing woman. Victor even says, 'No father could claim the gratitude of his children so completely as I should deserve theirs,' and one of his main fears in making his lady-monster is that she would mother a race of creatures who would replace humanity. In general, Frankenstein is a bit of a misogynist.

@latrodectusmactans7592

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZephLodwick It also furthers the allusions to Greek mythology because that's basically the entire motive behind the story of Athena's birth. Misogynists have always had a lot of angst over women being part of the child making process.

You left out my personal fav/least favorite part of Elizabeth’s murder: how incredibly easy Victor makes it for the monster. After Victor and Elizabeth get married, they spend the night in a hotel. Victor still thinks the monster wants to kill him, so he says to Elizabeth “you go back to the room, I’m gonna stay in the lobby and wait”, which basically just puts Elizabeth by herself in a closed room, ready to be murdered. Way to go, Victor

@AegixDrakan

4 жыл бұрын

WOW, how did this supposed genius manage to unlock the secret of granting life when he's THAT much of an idiot? XD

@beet8357

4 жыл бұрын

Aegix Drakan top ten questions science still can’t answer

@demonguysayshi2666

4 жыл бұрын

@@AegixDrakan Knowing anatomy and having common sense are two very different things. Victor is intelligent, but acts pretty stupidly. Why? He doesn't really have the background to properly comprehend sneaky plans.

@legomaniac213

4 жыл бұрын

@@AegixDrakan Because while he may have high Intelligence, he made Wisdom his dump stat.

@wandanemer2630

4 жыл бұрын

@@legomaniac213 There it is!

It is interesting to note that while Victor has not accepted responsibility for all the horrible things that have happened, he recognizes the self-destructive behavior that led to it in Captain Walton, and he tries to dissuade him from his path.

@hunterlawrence3573

Жыл бұрын

I noticed he seems to accept a lot more responsibility at the beginning of the book, but then it steadily decreases as the tale goes on. When William and Justine die, he calls himself their murderer and it’s about 40% self-loathing. But by the time it gets to Clerval he still thinks it’s his fault, but spends far more time blaming the monster. Then when Elizabeth dies he blames the monster almost completely and pretty much glosses over his own guilt. It’s kinda odd given that this is all a story he’s recounting to Walton. Shouldn’t he be accepting more responsibility as it goes on, and he slowly comes down from his revenge fueled hysteria, rather than the other way around?

@pandemonium8420

Жыл бұрын

​@@hunterlawrence3573 I think that is the point though. As the story goes on and after he meets the monster he realizes it isn't a mindless thing lashing out because he abandoned it, it is an intelligent being purposefully killing his loved ones to hurt him. A mindless creature he created and didn't stop is his fault. A cold, cunning murderer is out of his hands.

@hunterlawrence3573

Жыл бұрын

@@pandemonium8420 Yes, but he isn’t narrating the story to us as it happens. He’s telling the entire thing to Walton after the fact. So, when he’s telling Walton about his brother’s or Justine’s murder, he already knows that the monster purposely killed Clerval and Elizabeth to hurt him. He just hasn’t reached that point in his narration yet.

Reading this book as a teen, I definitely sympathized with the creature, as most do (he is written sympathetically!). But a recent re-read really highlighted how similar the two are. I feel most people would have an "Oh, come on man" reaction to Victor's ego when he complains that his guilt was actually worse than Justine's innocent execution. I don't see as many readers talking about how the monster's "actually killing all those people made *me* feel bad, so checkmate" speech is the exact same thing.

"He died as he lived; casually inconveniencing anyone and everyone and making my life worse." said by Frankenstein's Monster might be the most hilariously accurate description of Victor Frankenstein ever.

@clayxros576

4 жыл бұрын

Takes one to know one I guess

@parkchimmin7913

4 жыл бұрын

ClayXros Like father like son?

@joeahern8960

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@melvinmerkelhopper5752

4 жыл бұрын

Headcannon time! What if the only reason Victor abandoned him was because he knew it would spend the rest of his life roasting him all the time?

@kingnothing3523

4 жыл бұрын

Frankenstein WAS the monster all along

Doctor Frankenstein entered a bodybuilding contest and realizes that he misunderstood the objective.

@pineapplefrostyfruits9225

4 жыл бұрын

He never got a doctorate. There is no doctor. Only MISTER Frankenstein and his son.

@guyinbluu

4 жыл бұрын

@@pineapplefrostyfruits9225 i feel like "fucking discovering the secret to human life" would get you at least an honorary doctorate

@bloodstoneore4630

4 жыл бұрын

@@guyinbluu given how he handled the situation, I would disagree

@guyinbluu

4 жыл бұрын

@@bloodstoneore4630 note the degree would be in biology and not parenting

@bloodstoneore4630

4 жыл бұрын

@@guyinbluu fair enough, you can get a lisence taken away for shitty handling of a situation, not a degree... or an honorary one

the sister having to read like three full life stories from a letter she expected to just be a couple pages about her brother is the funniest thing ever, girl is going to get her mail and finds three encyclopedias worth of someone else’s business

While I do enjoy Red's observatory nature and funny musing, there's something at the end she doesn't really acknowledge. At the end of the book, Victor urges the captain to be a better man than he was. When the monster appears, the most impactful thing is that the monster realizes that in doing all the horrible things it did, it realized that all it did was leave itself alone, and now it is even more miserable than Victor ever was. It kills itself by exposing itself to the blizzard outside so that not only does no one in the future know of its existence, but also in doing so to prevent anything like it from being made ever again. I'm not sure why, but for some reason Red seemed to breeze past this.

I need an AU where Victor just goes. “Oh. Well. Okay. Hey all, this is my terrifying son! I made him with science!”

@confoundedcoconut7500

4 жыл бұрын

And then Victor and Clerval raise him together.

@life_got_real_boring1482

4 жыл бұрын

@@confoundedcoconut7500 I can live with this AU

@legomaniac213

4 жыл бұрын

That already exists. Its called "Young Frankenstein."

@wandanemer2630

4 жыл бұрын

Somebody write that! We need this!!

@Scarshadow666

3 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love that and would love to see an AU story made (kinda like Young Frankenstein, except very early on, the creation gets his own PhD/education and goes on to help progress more of the Enlightenment Era)!

“-biggest mistake of his life but with boobs this time.” Best quote I’ve heard all year

Victor, you chose your corpse son’s parts yourself, including his eyes. That’s like assembling your own sandwich at a restaurant and flipping out when you taste the ham that YOU PUT ON IT

"No one can write a story about an unnatural, murderous monster and paint them in a sympathetic light successfully." Mary Shelley: "Hold my tea."

@nycholaus

4 жыл бұрын

Yes but more like "hold my laudanum"

@iceluvndiva21

4 жыл бұрын

And thus proves them wrong.

@leos.2322

4 жыл бұрын

Not so fun fact, Mary Godwin(her name before Shelley) wrote Frankenstein based on her mother( Mary wollstonecraft)'s letters to wollstonecraft's 1st husband Imlay after he abandoned her and Mary Shelley's older sister Fanny, ah and the lightning thing comes from the fact that shelly's deranged husband was obsessed by Benjamin Franklin's electricity and how it affected life, even though shelly thought it could do more than it actually could.

@Azzabackam

4 жыл бұрын

@@leos.2322 Didn't know that. Ty for the trivia

@leos.2322

4 жыл бұрын

@@Azzabackam willkommen

"Only a fool makes a monster you can't fu-" Best line ever.

@wandanemer2630

4 жыл бұрын

HE SAID IT!

@elirchi9214

3 жыл бұрын

Can you give the timestamp? I can't see it

@demonguysayshi2666

3 жыл бұрын

@@elirchi9214 11:00

@anastasianicolaenco4476

3 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHAHAH I NEVER NOTICED THAT GOOD GOD

@maucazalv903

2 жыл бұрын

*true*

"crimes against nature two, electric boogaloo!" I cannot. That is too funny.

@vidblogger12

Жыл бұрын

I liked the quote immediately after: “Victor sets out to recreate the biggest mistake of his life, but with boobs this time.”

The hair truning half grey and the art the way of explaining is amazing to the finest details

@CelesteWright-ul4rb

Жыл бұрын

that is actually somewhat realistic as stress and exhaustion can cause grey hair

Mary Shelley wrote an iconic science fiction book at 18, I'm just here looking at internet memes.

@joshuaevans6295

6 жыл бұрын

Mary Shelley lost her virginity on her mother's grave. You will never be as goth as Mary Shelley.

@BumbleCrumble1072

6 жыл бұрын

Okay

@zennim125

6 жыл бұрын

wrote THE iconic science fiction, first novel that the plot is derived from science and charles darwin (yeah, THAT guy, you know, the natural selection one) not only read the book, he commented how it would be possible to be factual in the future, how creating artificial human life just to hammer it in, SCIENCE FICTION WAS PIONEERED BY A WOMAN

@Missrena1000

6 жыл бұрын

Joshua Evans-Lowell really?

@hleghe810

6 жыл бұрын

there was more unexplored stuff back then. But we're just in time for dank memes at least!

I just want everyone to realize, Frankenstein's beutiful face (the monster's) is some dead guys beutiful face, that Victor dug up out out of a graveyard.

@wandanemer2630

4 жыл бұрын

Well... that dead beautiful guy wasn't going to use his face anymore.

@helena-iu6lx

3 жыл бұрын

@@wandanemer2630 underrated comment 💀

@josukejostar277

3 жыл бұрын

Yay and

@bobemmerson1580

3 жыл бұрын

@@wandanemer2630 Reminds me of the story behind Resusci Anne's face...

@justeundonut-moi.7979

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobemmerson1580 What's that ?

So, the entire plot happens because Victor wants to create life but when he does, he suddenly figures that he is not willing to actually nurture and raise this life as a responsible dad. Almost makes me want to see a version where Victor tries to be a good dad to his monster.

I thought the reason Victor didn't say anything about the monster to anyone was because everybody would perceive him as delusional, not because of some undisclosed ego. And well, he was correct. Every time he aludes to or outright states he created a monster, they perceive him as insane. The only time anybody believes him is when they themselves have seen the monster to some capacity. Gotta say, this is the only instance I've seen of such trope working. Usually, when a character wants to warn others about some bizarre being and get dismissed as delusional it's frustratingly annoying, *especially* if the story is heavy in fantasy, making it confusing as to why the characters that were subject to various bizzare encounters would suddendly dismiss the warnings of one of their party members as crazy talk. Story of Frankenstein is fairly grounded in reality, so such idea actually comes across as kind of terrifying.

@OgGuak420

2 жыл бұрын

The cop or whatever he was at the end believe Victor even to the point where he said the monster was basically unstoppable if victor is describing him as such and sending his own men to capture him would be worthless because the monster could survive in the cold where humans could not. And Walton believed him without a second doubt

@hunterlawrence3573

Жыл бұрын

Thank-you! I’m glad someone finally brought this up. That doesn’t excuse Victor for staying silent when he should’ve spoken up about various things. But it does make his reasons for hiding everything make much more sense

Not to be Devil's Advocate but there has always been something strangely tragic to me about the character of Victor Frankenstein. Don't know why, but something about "teenager sees his mom die and decides to cure death only for his personality flaws to essentially help wipe out the entirety of his family" is just really really sad.

@i_prefer_the_term_antihero

2 жыл бұрын

(I know this is an old comment but) THANK YOU

@garryferrington811

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, not much perkiness in this story.

@Daemonussy

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah his story is tragic but it’s not a tragedy since he doesn’t fill a character trait required of the tragic hero. That trait is having admirable qualities so the audience feels bad that someone good with good qualities lost it all due to their bad ones. And as said by everyone, Victor is kind of a irredeemable dickhead.

@motorcitymangababe

Жыл бұрын

Got that Grecian tragedy twist for sure.

@skazwolfman8622

Жыл бұрын

Now I'm imagining one of the Elric brothers growing up without the other and ending up unbalanced like Victor.

Everybody with me: "Knowledge is knowing Frankenstein isn't the monster; wisdom is knowing Frankenstein is the monster."

@bugra6798

4 жыл бұрын

This gem of a quote ^

@jaferalyhooda310

4 жыл бұрын

@@bugra6798 I actually think it's a bad quote. Victor Frankenstein is a shitty dude all around, but Frankenstein's Monster murdered no fewer than three people and framed a fourth for one of those deaths, leading to her death. The monster is not the dumb brute so often depicted, the monster is incredibly brilliant. He doesn't get off the hook because he has daddy issues, mofo is still a seriel killer with a vendetta.

@alamrasyidi4097

4 жыл бұрын

That's some neat comment dude

@James-hr3yh

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaferalyhooda310 I see your point, but consider this: the Creation knew nothing but scorn, abuse, and loneliness from creation to death. He was kind and compassionate for longer than most humans would be: paying back the Delacy family with chopped wood and manual labour for the food, for example. He craves human connection. He was unfortunately shaped by circumstances. Victor Frankenstein was a narcissistic, self-centered dude who pittied only himself even in situations that had absolutely nothing to do with him/affected others way more, like when Justine died and all he could focus on was how bad *he* felt, ignoring the feelings of those around him, like Elizabeth. He can't even fathom the monster killing anyone but him leading up to his wedding. Look at their final moments: Victor is almost raving, probably not thinking clearly, but he tries to get the Captain to make the same mistake as him, going too far in the name of science, despite telling the story to prevent that in the first place. He renounces all claim of guilt and responsibility for his actions, saying "I am blameless". The Creature on the other hand regrets the choices he'd made. He doesn't make excuses (I think, my memory is a touch fuzzy). He accepts blame for things that were his fault, and says he will kill himself in a way that destroys his body to ensure that no-one makes the same mistake as Victor by stumbling across his remains. Also, I would argue that Victor is very much to blame for the actions of his creation. For one thing, it's *his* creation. He didn't take responsibility, he didn't allert the police right away, or try to actually do anything with the creature once it rose, he abandoned it. Parents are held partially responsible for their children's actions, and that concept applies even moreso when it comes to such an irresponsible parent as Victor.

@kaylahensley1581

3 жыл бұрын

Cool motive. Still murder.

Victor, playing God: I HAVE CREATED MAN! Frankenstein: Father? Victor: *Goes into month long coma*

@jenh5898

Жыл бұрын

He's one fo those dads that went to get milk and never came back

@Quinntus79

3 ай бұрын

“Do you think God stays in heaven, because he too fears what he created?” Victor Frankenstein, probably.

One of the creepiest things about this is how despite being terrible, I completely understand Victor’s thought process through a lot of this. Like, it’s terrible to stay quiet while an innocent person gets executed for your crime, but be honest with yourself. Would you have the strength to come clean? I don’t know if I could.

@bessieburnet9816

Жыл бұрын

Uh, hell yeah I would. That says more about you as an absolute terrible person that it does about anyone else.

@hunterlawrence3573

Жыл бұрын

Weirdly, in the book he says that he wanted to confess to the crime, but he couldn’t because he was in another country when the murder happened. He says telling the truth would’ve made him look insane, which certainly wouldn’t have helped Justine. While that’s all true, couldn’t he have come up with a better lie? Or at the very least confided in one of his friends and asked them for an idea?

@StarJester

Жыл бұрын

@bessie right...but there's no way for you to know what you'd actually do in such a situation. dare i say...get off your high horse

@scream-7719

11 ай бұрын

@@bessieburnet9816 no way for you to know that

@scream-7719

11 ай бұрын

@@StarJester ong

The three basic classical monster are werewolves, vampires and Frankenstein’s monster Mummy: Am I a joke to you?

@awkwardbirb5710

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's a lack of me reading or watching much media (I mostly play games), but I don't ever recall mummies ever really having any feelings or personality. They seem to be more or less zombies, but with toilet paper all over.

@UwU-xk5cx

5 жыл бұрын

Awkward Birb zombies are the mainstream version of the mummies

@jacobevans489

4 жыл бұрын

In short? Yes.

@coldchary

4 жыл бұрын

@@awkwardbirb5710 its cloth not toilet paper

@nemtudom5074

4 жыл бұрын

*Skeletons ribbing in the distance*

"Unfortunately, his nature therapy is interrupted by his _crime_ against nature!" Love that line!

I have to correct you on something. William Frankenstein wasn’t being a judgmental jerk to the monster. He was calling him a monster because the monster wanted to kidnap him so he could have a friend. He only mentioned his family name as a warning to scare Frankenstein’s monster.

@OgGuak420

2 жыл бұрын

Yep majority of people love skipping that part

@kyripiro224

2 ай бұрын

Thank you.

The design for victor before his monster making year is so cute omg

"How can I create life?" You know, for all his science that he studied, maybe he should've taken a sex ed class...

@bethperforms6191

3 жыл бұрын

Krysten Cabbage My thoughts exactly. Well, or it was uterus envy :)

@jean-paulaudette9246

3 жыл бұрын

Ew, that's an old-fashioned crap-shoot...it's SOo 1750!

@Grim_Sister

3 жыл бұрын

Him and Frollo from hunchback of Notre Dame. Relax, dude. You’re not being seduced by the devil. It’s just a boner

@bryngeiger7695

3 жыл бұрын

I just had to read a script of Frankenstein for my acting class, and on their wedding night Victor tells Elizabeth that he created life with science, and her response was essentially "well don't you want to create life with me?"

@thornless_flora

3 жыл бұрын

@@bryngeiger7695 Now *that's* a good pick-up line!

Honestly, I wouldn’t mind a sort of modern retelling of Frankenstein where Victor is like, a modern college student going threw is quarter life crisis and Frankenstein’s monster is like a startup he’s really into making.

@Fanimati0n

4 жыл бұрын

You mean kinda like the Re-Animator?

@sourced4

4 жыл бұрын

MagnetoDorito Ah yes.

@shashwatsharma2596

3 жыл бұрын

I give to you "Facebook".

@canaisyoung3601

3 жыл бұрын

That's what The Social Network was, wasn't it?

@billuraral1870

3 жыл бұрын

It actually exist. Check out the webseries "Frankenstein MD." Its made by the guys behind The Lizzie Bennet Diaries, and its the most accurate Frankenstein adaptation I've ever seen.

9:22 the old man saing "woah" while the monster trauma dumps on him is fucking hilarious

Victor: how can I make life? Everyone capable of giving birth: *rolls their eyes in exasperation*

@ALJ9000

10 ай бұрын

So women?

@warrenhillston5899

10 ай бұрын

Being capable of giving birth does not mean you can create life. Without a man, a woman is just as helpless to produce life as a man is wihtout a woman.

@The.Mountain.Flower

9 ай бұрын

​​@@ALJ9000not all people who can give birth are women, and not all women can give birth.

@GSBarlev

9 ай бұрын

Your comment takes on a completely different edge after reading about the parts of Mary Shelley's life that inspired the novel. To start, the way that Victor describes Adam upon first seeing him is _exactly_ how Mary Wollstonecraft described her daughter in her diary before dying. That sort of thing is bound to truck you up.

@salem-01

9 ай бұрын

@@ALJ9000some women can’t give birth and some people who can give birth aren’t women

"You can just NOT put her reproductive organs in" "THERE'S NO TIME" Like, bruh. That will literally SAVE time. XD

@James-zr8vi

3 жыл бұрын

Not unless he's using the entire pelvis of some woman's corpse, meaning that the removal of the reproductive organs would take more time. Also, maybe he should have considered the fact that corpses are generally infertile?

@emmanuelpena2228

3 жыл бұрын

@@James-zr8vi i mean, corpses are also generally dead, so maybe the process that brings them back to life also makes them fertile

@lordfelidae4505

2 жыл бұрын

@@emmanuelpena2228 he really should have done this with rats like a proper scientist.

@josephperez2004

2 жыл бұрын

There was a neat book in I think 3.5 Edition D&D that went into some ideas for crafting undead and such. One such feature was a method of preserving recently dead bodily parts to the degree that they were still functional as living body parts. I remember this because my brother created a story about a necromancer who brought back the body of their lost love and was having a child with them. Creepy realizations and moral arguments ensued.

@kuphine

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephperez2004 That's really cool ngl

The general consensus in the comments is Clerval deserved better, and honestly yeah.

@JaelinBezel

3 жыл бұрын

And Justine, right?

@aishwariyaroy1636

3 жыл бұрын

Clerval really did deserve better tho.

@alisalevenseller2796

2 жыл бұрын

Henry Clerval and Justine Moritz deserved better!

@zoemalone5769

2 жыл бұрын

while studying this me and my friends quoted that part a LOT

I don't find that naming the monster "Frankenstein" is entirely inaccurate. He does call himself a Frankenstein when he's talking about how Victor is his creator.

2:52 actually, Victor’s fall began when he read a book about alchemy out of boredom when he was 14. He became obsessed with it until his father replicated Ben Franklin’s kite experiment and explained electricity two years later (he dismissed the alchemy book as trash instead of explaining that the principles therein were-and this is a direct quote-entirely exploded). Then Victor went to college and one of his professors was real rude about his obsession with alchemy. Then he went to office hours after seeing a chemistry lecture and a different professor explained that alchemy may have been bullshit, but some discoveries and scientific instruments were made by alchemists. Said Professor makes Victor his apprentice. Victor claims his obsession was dispelled by this talk, but one chapter later, he’s already building a homunculus called the Creature, not Frank’s Monster.

Here's a little sidenote: Justine was actually only about 14 years old. Victor let a CHILD take the fall for what was essentiall his crime that led to her death. Yeah. Good job, Victor. You truly are a bastardly piece of work.

@wandanemer2630

3 жыл бұрын

Hmmm. Are you sure? From what I had read she was at least as old as Elizabeth, if not a little older. She had moved in with the Frankensteins at about age12, I believe, and had been there for a while by the time Victor went off to college. And Victor spent almost 6 years there! But either way, Victor continues to be an irredeamable piece of shit for letting an innocent woman, A CHILDHOOD FRIEND OF HIS, ALMOST A SECOND SISTER AND HIS FIANCÉ'S DEAREST FRIEND... WITHOUT SAYING A SINGLE WORD TO DEFEND HER *AT ANY POINT* BEFORE SHE WAS EXECUTED LIKE A GODDAMN MURDERER, REPUTED BY EVERYONE WHO KNEW HER IN TOWN AND ABANDONED BY HER RELATIVES... even after Elizabeth suffered horribly for both hers and William's death... all he worried about was how SHE AT LEAST HAD THE PEACE OF MIND OF KNOWING SHE WAS INNOCENT, WHILE *HE* HAD TO LIVE WITH THE GUILT... SO *HE* WAS THE REAL VICTIM HERE.

@Stormkrow280

2 жыл бұрын

@@wandanemer2630 what COULD Victor have said though? “The creature I made from spare parts and animated killed my brother and framed this girl” yeah that’s a one way ticket to an asylum.

@adlirez

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stormkrow280 he could just have a caricature of the monster drawn, tell the judge that the person with this face is the one who did it, and then have the authorities do the rest Unfortunately Victor’s imagination is as wild as a brick wall so he didn’t come up with that idea sooner

@Ty17V

2 жыл бұрын

@@wandanemer2630 How old was William then? Cause a 12 year old girl killing anyone an adult, especially considering how, at the time, they probably figured women were weak.

@insertchannelnamewheee5848

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ty17V Victor was an adult, and he had two brothers: Ernest and William. It's mentioned that Ernest was 7 years younger than Victor, so William may be like 8-10 when he died

Frankenstein in a nutshell. "I immediately regret my decision."

@vogonp4287

3 жыл бұрын

"I just did a bad thing I regret the thing I did And you're wondering what it is Tell you what I did I did a bad thing"

@Revenante_of_Asylum

3 жыл бұрын

@@vogonp4287 Poetry. :O

I really want a Frankenstein adaptation that's just Walton's sister reading the entire book in letter form with a giant glass of wine and a bowl of popcorn and making snarky comments about it.

I just finished reading this book and my soul hurts. The ending is a lot sadder than you’d expect. What makes it such a heartbreaking tragedy is how close it came to having a happy ending so many times. But instead the characters make the worst possible choices every time. At least we don’t get total confirmation that the monster went through with his suicide plan….which is something, I guess? And we don’t know what happened after Walton mailed those letters. Maybe the story went on to change the world for the better

Moral of the story: 🎶Victor is a dick.🎶 🎶Don't be a dick.🎶

@jeffsmith7416

6 жыл бұрын

The moral: Victor is a dick and plays god. DON'T PLAY GOD, kids.

@Trooololololllolollo

6 жыл бұрын

If Victor wasnt a dick nothing bad would have happend

@barleysixseventwo6665

6 жыл бұрын

Eh. Life's only known purpose is to perpetuate itself; to create new life. And if studying nature has fought me anything it's that life isn't particularly picky about how life is perpetuated. If Victor had had a Son, thought him or her a failure, and abandoned him/her, this story may have played out exactly the same Albeit on a longer timescale. So while the original story might be intended as a warning against playing god, "death of the author" and the ever forward progress of technology has shortened the moral to something many more people actually need to learn: "Don't be a deadbeat parent or it will lead to tragedy."

@Deadbacon0

6 жыл бұрын

I’m offended

@SuperKiobi13

6 жыл бұрын

knowledge it's knowing that frankenstain is not the monster, wisdom its knowing that he actually is the real monster

The most unrealistic thing about Frankenstein is the idea that everyone finds him too scary to love, when as we internet-goers all know, there will be SOMEONE out there desperate to love that Big Beautiful Boy

@vvv3055

5 жыл бұрын

Brienne of Tarth.

@dams6829

5 жыл бұрын

@@vvv3055 Well Jaime?

@vvv3055

5 жыл бұрын

@@dams6829 or actually his sis, didn't she kinda dump him for the Frankenmountain? Oo (k she treathened him with the fm while dumping him but I'm taking some artistic liberty here :p) .

@mothersandfuckersofthejury5416

5 жыл бұрын

Hentai artists got yo back fam

@cybersearcher1041

5 жыл бұрын

Lmao tru

One thing: when the creature is first learning language he learns to speak French, not English. He picks it up from the De Lacey's while they're teaching Safie. Of course, we can assume he picked up English at some point since he can communicate fine with Walton.

Imagine if Victor actually decided to raise him then showed him to Elizabeth on their wedding night “Hun this is our 7 feet tall son that I created via grave robbing and galvanising. Don’t ask who his biological parents are because it could be different individuals depending on the body part” Elizabeth: Wtf Victor? The monster: ._.

@melvinfranco2142

8 ай бұрын

Also, the monster: Feed me.

Well, truth be told, the convieniently adopted fair blonde and perfect Elizabeth was an addition of the rewritten edition of 1831. She was originally simply Victor's cousin (and is in fact still referred to as cousin) whose mother (Victor's aunt) died and her father begged Victor's dad to take her in 'cause he wanted to go get it on with some Italian lady. It was changed because even at the time, the incestous implications made some readers sqeamish.

@thekinziechronicles5218

3 жыл бұрын

That's a really interesting point, could I get your source so I can use it for my school essay?

@herosmith5662

3 жыл бұрын

the kinzie chronicles You can probably find it somewhere on the web pretty easy, but if you have access to the 2019/2020 US Academic Decathlon Literature Resource Guide, it's in there.

@thekinziechronicles5218

3 жыл бұрын

@@herosmith5662 Okay thank you!

@greenisthedevilscolor784

3 жыл бұрын

@@thekinziechronicles5218 Let us know how the essay went, when/if you've done it! Hope the sources were of help.

@thekinziechronicles5218

3 жыл бұрын

@@greenisthedevilscolor784 I got a 92/100. This teacher grades harshly. I worked on the essay almost all month.

"you know that kid who is too advanced for the rest, but as soon they test into new school they are blindsighted by the fact that everyone ther is jsut as smart as they are and they are no longer de facto smartest kid in the room, and it sends them spiraling into crisis of ego because they no longer knwo wh they are anymore?" OOF That hit too close home...

@VandanaSingh-zr9ji

4 жыл бұрын

Me too

@discountplaguedoctor88

3 жыл бұрын

I ran into a case of it in high school.

@billuraral1870

3 жыл бұрын

Too real man, too real

@unholyscreeching3342

3 жыл бұрын

*Me when i first went to secondary school*

@emblemblade9245

3 жыл бұрын

Funny enough I basically knew that was coming and just settled for being average. This isn’t universal advice of course! But it worked for me

Victor, at least to me, is painfully relatable. He is, in a lot of ways, the part of me that I don't like about myself, combined with a lot more genius than me.

@ptero

Жыл бұрын

Finally, someone who also relate to Frankenstein!

@funniberri898

9 ай бұрын

Same, I thought I was the only one

@ElleStuart

7 ай бұрын

It’s also really awkward to say this too since everyone is always shouting “VICTOR IS EVILL!” without seeing why he was and also why the monster ended up being one. They’re both victims and both also bad, because both didn’t think hard enough about they’re actions- like bro I am so mad about Clervals murder CMON HE DIDNT NEED TO BE DRAGGED INTO THIS 😭😭😭

@wind_scratch8387

Ай бұрын

I definitely relate to the whole "most of your suffering is slef inflicted because you made stupid decisions" part

5:25 I can definitely see Victor having entire cabinets exclusively full of cup noodles. This is now canon in my eyes.

how in hell are vampires the ones who got sexualized instead of Frankestein and his monster? vampires are just cold bloded murderes, intrinsecally evil and/or literally Satan. on the other hand we have a young tormented doctor and his creation, a tall, hot man with weird eyes and a dark, hard life. the fanfics just write themselves! edit: 2.6k likes? It was a lame joke, I don't want to be remembered as the guy who was into Victor Frankestein homoerotic fanfiction...

@raspberrycrowns9494

4 жыл бұрын

Plus Victor literally had a "friend" that took care of him when he was traumatized and got into a 2 MONTH COMA when he found out Clerval died

@yeethittter1285

4 жыл бұрын

@@raspberrycrowns9494 otp

@npc6817

4 жыл бұрын

@Instrumentality1000 ever heard of the twilight franchise? That's what a vampire is to the general public nowadays. Frankenstein 's creation is more simpathetic sure, but its still just an animated fleshbag at the end of the day.

@wulfgarkonarhik2922

4 жыл бұрын

look up the fate franchises version of Frankenstein. trust me they do sexualize him or in this case her.

@cobaltCarnivore

4 жыл бұрын

Wulfgar Konarhik Babbage protests

So the moral of the story is “Be a responsible science parent dammit”?

@garlic_bread180

3 жыл бұрын

yes

@Attaxalotl

3 жыл бұрын

*WHEN WILL YOU LEARN! THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!1!!!!ELEVEN!!!!*

As someone who has read the book, my favorite fun fact is that the monster is giant because working on tiny veins n shit hurt Victor's eyes...

The electricity the movies used was a reference to galvanism. Shelley also references galvanism in the creation of the monster and in Victor's backstory where he is amazed by lightning striking down a tree.

I like to think that Victor isn't the first random stranger whose autobiography Robert Walton has transcribed in its 200 page entirety to mail to Margaret. I mean it's definitely the WILDEST but i feel like when Mr Saville came home the day the book arrived the interaction went a little bit like "whats that stack of 200 loose sheets of paper dear" "mail from robert came" "ah classic robert"

@wandanemer2630

3 жыл бұрын

You know what, I agree.

@flipflopzthreeonethree1873

Жыл бұрын

You know what, now I want to hear more about the strange people who wound up in the arctic for this guy to write letters about lol

@arcanelore3791

Жыл бұрын

I ADORE this headcanon.

@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527

Жыл бұрын

He does a lengthy bio of the captain he hired in the Prologue

@R.444-

Жыл бұрын

I like to imagine an alternate tie in/spin off novel where it’s just Robert going on constant stream of consciousness tangents during his time on the ship, like Ishmael

"Recreate the biggest mistake of his life but with boobs."That killed me😂

@devinward461

6 жыл бұрын

Beeancahuang relatable

@completely_original9760

6 жыл бұрын

Oh so I wasn't the only one that's good XD

@Beeancahuang

6 жыл бұрын

Wow!I came back to re-watch the video,and I wanted to take a look at the comments and I saw the number of likes I got,thank you so much,glad you like my comment!❤️

When I hear about a disregard for discipline or consequences in the search for greater scientific knowledge, I always think back to that one quote from Ian Malcom in the first Jurassic Park movie: "You see, your scientists were so focused on whether or not they *could* , they didn't stop and think if they *should* !"

So I'm in a literature class, and the last few weeks we've been discussing Frankenstein. And just in the middle of the class' reading session I just randomly blurted out loud to the entire classroom and the professor (I sit in the front row) "How is someone so pathetic that even first person perspective couldn't save them?" And the class stared at me and the professor just laughed.

I love how in this kind of stories following Frankenstein, with a lesson "don't defy god/nature with science - it will inevitably end in tragedy", the tragedy is always totally avoidable, likely caused by arrogance and not the act of defiance itself, or is just plain incidental. While the moral of the original story is closer to "take responsibility for your science".

@wppb50

4 жыл бұрын

With a supplementary moral of "RAISE YOUR GODDAMN KIDS, BYRON."

@lord__pasta

4 жыл бұрын

Plus with the add on of don't be an asshole to your creations and loved ones.

@Dirtyblue929

4 жыл бұрын

TBF, arrogance/pride/viewing oneself as equal or superior to God _is_ one of the seven deadly sins. The lessons could thus easily be interpreted not as “science is bad and against god” and more “be humble when you’re doing science”, which is a pretty good one.

@vfugjjhfuyft

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dirtyblue929 It is a good lesson but, I feel, a tad simple for the times. At their best, those narratives teach us to be humble and cautious with power that, if misused, is dangerous. At their worst they teach that the power is too dangerous to begin with. Either way, they treat us as if we are weak, and will become powerful some day soon. And they teach us that once we do become like gods, the best course of action is to relinquish that power - to burn the lab, to break the amulet, to give up the artefact to the government - either because we misused it, or just because we "aren't meant to wield such force" or "are not ready". It is treated as the right thing to do - to retaliate. But that is not really an option - to a degree, we have already become like gods. Whether we like it or not, people will become powerful, and if one gives up their power, another one that is less cautious will take it. For once, I would love to see a narrative where playing god does not result in a catastrophe but instead just complicates the world. Even though that would be less dramatic.

@lord__pasta

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dirtyblue929 I agree to what you say, but I think that, along with yours and HOUND project, it could also be that since God wanted whoever in heaven (thus, they died), and Frankenstein just decided to rise the dead, it is kinda against God. But yours does make much more sense.

The “scary” eyes you gave Frankenstein honestly made him pretty hot

@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571

4 жыл бұрын

Frankenstein's monster.

@JaneDoeSignedHancock

4 жыл бұрын

@@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571 seriously? You know he is technically a Frankenstein. He's basically Victor's kid so he would get Victor's last name.

@stormthanatosokami4221

4 жыл бұрын

@@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571 there is a movie about this type of Frankenstein's monster where he fights demons with gargoyles....weird I know but it is a good movie it is called i, frankenstein

@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571

4 жыл бұрын

@@stormthanatosokami4221 It's a fun movie. I've watched it.

@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571

4 жыл бұрын

@@JaneDoeSignedHancock That has never crossed my mind but it does make sense.

As much as I love Mary Shelley’s “Frankenstein”. I can’t help but prefer Universal’s depiction of the Monster, specifically in “The Bride of Frankenstein”(BoF). People tend to balk at the lack of intelligence of the monster in those films, but when it comes to playing up the tragedy of the wretched creature’s existence, I would say the film performs better. In Shelley’s novel, I feel the monster is too intelligent, and Victor’s antagonistic relationship and hand in his creation often leads people to overlook that the monster is a dark mirror of Victor. He is incredibly intelligent and philosophical. Yes Victor is at fault for his reckless thirst for knowledge and creation as well as his immediate negligence of his own creation, but that doesn’t mean that the creature would actually be peaceful without him. The creature is more intelligent, powerful and vengeful than Victor ever was. Shelley doesn’t just make the parallels between the monster and Lucifer in “Paradise Lost” just because it’s a relationship between Creator and Rebelling creation, she uses it to build the fear of the Monster. The Monster believes himself to be Adam, but his parallels are closer to Lucifer, and that’s intentional, he hungers for what he cannot have and becomes vengeful when it happens. In the films and more so in BoF, the monster is presented as the state of being Shelley elected to skip over in order to return to eloquent dialogue. He is barely sentient and simple, because he is essentially a newborn. Book Monster is intelligent in his murders, doing so out of vengeance and malice, using his intelligence to implicate others. Movie monster murders out of self defense or by accident or both. He’s an infant with strength beyond his own recognition. It’s like Superman’s “World of Cardboard” speech to Darkseid. And there lies the tragedy in movie Monster. He kills the little girl not out of malice, but out of a childish misunderstanding, simply tossing her into a pond to see her float but because he doesn’t comprehend what’s happening, he kills her and watches her drown. In BoF, the tragedy of the Monster really becomes apparent as the monster moves from Antagonist to Protagonist. Surviving barely from the hands of angry mob, a visual representation of the world who would happily kill him and be done with it, he hides and finds no comfort. That is until he hears a violin playing, it’s music. Music isn’t intelligent or eloquent, it’s simply beautiful, perhaps one of the few comforts the Monster finds in his existence. There he finds the Blind man, definitely lifted from the book, but there the man lives alone. And this difference really cements the tragedy and the emotion of BoF. Because the Blind Man is also alone, he delights in his New Friend of the Monster. He LOVES the monster, it’s the first time that it is shown to the audience that were it not for extenuating circumstances, the monster is not ill fit for the world, he can find happiness and he did for a short time. It shows him that he is not alone in his loneliness, further more it gives the Monster the opportunity to learn things from someone else, not just by listening to them. When the hunters come by to check on the Blind Man, they pull him away from the Monster against his wishes, thus damning the both of them. At which point the Monster is alone once more, though now he knows and understands the word “friend”. When the films true antagonist approaches the creature, he offers to create for him a mate, an other, a “friend”. Now desperate to reclaim that feeling he so briefly tasted. The monster agrees, but upon the unveiling of the bride, she screams out of fear. It is so much more tragic than the books hypothetical because the Monster isn’t searching for a mate, he simply wants a friend who understands him. But upon achieving his goal and seeing the birth of the only being that could ever truly understand him, and have her reject him, his response is a suicidal depression. What’s worse is that the Bride is much prettier than he is, no doubt as a result of Victor’s work improving whilst having intelligent assistance (and Hollywood’s sexism). She would be better accepted than he would be, she wouldn’t be alone. Only he would. Book Monster demands a mate from Victor because not only does he not want to be alone, but because he is alive and egotistical enough to believe he should get one. In his mind, he is Adam and he wants an Eve, so he wants “God” to give him one. Victor is the biggest PoS in the book, but the monster is still a monster and a legitimate threat. The movie Monster is a tragic character, a being birthed into a world that despised him and dangles happiness in front of him before ripping it away. Shelley’s depiction of the monster is eloquent and beautiful but in a way that’s the problem. The Monster is too intelligent to be completely tragic. It’s hard to buy how a creature that intelligent can’t find a way to live in the world. His intelligence is, like Victor, a character flaw. The movie Monster, however, is a tragic protagonist. Unlike intelligence portrayed through eloquent writing and dialogue, the Monster is given simple and understandable emotions and actions. Both of these depictions are incredibly nuanced and fascinating. But I’m tired of seeing the movie monster being reduced to “The dumb cheesy one.”

@Stormkrow280

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, but I still hate the “malformed brain” explanation for why the creature is the way he is, it feels like a cheap excuse instead of the complicated idea that even the best of us can be twisted because of unending cruelty from others.

@OgGuak420

2 жыл бұрын

When did he drown a girl

@sev1120

2 жыл бұрын

I'd honestly love a story where the two versions of the monster meet, and the movie one just straight up tells the book one that he's a bad person

@mauriziomonti8384

Жыл бұрын

@@OgGuak420 Arriving here very late, but for whoever is wondering, the monster accidentally drowns a girl in the 1931 adaptation directed y James Whale. That and the sequel (Bride of Frankenstein, 1935) are the films the original comment refers to. They are great movies, where the monster is interpreted by the great Boris Karloff

@pipedream2556

7 ай бұрын

So in a weird way, the movies were functionally fanfiction of the original book? Like, it really sounds like they liked the book but thought that there was untapped potential in the way you talked about the monster essentially growing up too fast, and they decided to explore the story from the au angle of "what if the monster was effectively a newborn the entire time" and came to the logical conclusion if that one change - that tye monster wouldn't be truly monstrous at all And then they made multiple movies about that version instead of the original

That end credits song you sang is absolutely beautiful and fitting for this book, “running around leaving scars” ties into how to monster is made up of various parts that were stitched together, and the natural healing process would leave scars, “carrying your jar of hearts, and tearing love apart” ties into how Victor grave robbed a bunch of cemeteries (him carrying a jar of literal hearts) and his lack of good character qualities made him destroy every relationship and person that he cared about, the “you’re going to catch a cold, from the ice inside your soul” ties into how victor dies of exposure, inevitably caused by his lack of responsibility, empathy, and courage to face the consequences of his actions

@justafallperson2108

3 жыл бұрын

Jar of Hearts by Christina Perri. I was surprised at just how well it fit.

13:08 “Clerval exists, and deserved better” *YES* *YES HE DID* *>:’(*

@autisticdancer

2 жыл бұрын

AMEN!

@tabstersgotnobraincells

Жыл бұрын

AMEN!

@theblaze5530

Жыл бұрын

AMEN!

"I'm alone *and* friendzoned!" "I'm alone *and* this creep thinks I owe him sex!" LOL.

@tabletaussendienst2721

5 жыл бұрын

Lol

@agungpriambodo1674

5 жыл бұрын

Laugh out loud (btw i'm not old just for saying it like that)

@clayxros576

4 жыл бұрын

The fact victor had a single unselfish brainwave that making a female and assuming shed like him shows he actually could have fixed things if he stopped being a blasted jerk. And that he was amart

@maggie406

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@nycholaus

4 жыл бұрын

@@OriginalAkivara or do as I do and don't stop licking her until ALL the sugar is gone.

3:02 oh no! It turns out the weird uncle was H.P. Lovecraft the whole time!

@wandanemer2630

2 жыл бұрын

Oh no, not AGAIN!

@dodonixx953

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

One detail Red left out (because you can't really cover everything in a synopsis, not because she isn't thorough) is that Victor also RATIONALIZED letting Justine die as being less awful for her because basically "her pain will soon be at an end, while my guilt and horror will continue on." And I must still also mention that The Wretch threatens Victor that he "will be with him, even on his wedding night." The Wretch is promising Victor that he will cause him suffering, and misery, and loneliness equal to what The Wretch himself has suffered because of Victor. And VICTOR INTERPRETS THIS AS A THREAT ON HIS OWN LIFE AND LEAVES ELIZABETH ALONE AND UNGUARDED ON THEIR WEDDING NIGHT!!!!! Victor Frankenstein is the highest echelon of self-absorbtion and ego that I have EVER encountered!!!

@ptero

Жыл бұрын

No, no, he said that Justine is dead, and it's horrible to him NOT BEING DEAD to bear this knowledge and guilt. He literally wanted to kill himself, because of the faults he made, and he stayed because that would be very irrational, egoistic and wouldn't solve the situation. And it's hinted that he likes to overthink stuff, like that with his craziness (and he probably was right, because he already gave signes about crazy), and the reason Justine died was because of her confession, which was expected by no one. Though in the end he really thought really egoistic, because he didn't get obvious signs that Moster is about to strike his wife. Also, there is a point of no return in the book, where Elizabeth questioned Victor's love for her. If he was really saint man, he probably could have gone with "No, I love the other, cancel the wedding", for the price of innocent life. But he is not the saint, and that's how fate turned out.

@MorrahaDesigns

Жыл бұрын

@@ptero If it were really so horrible to him that Justine was going to die, then he would have confessed the truth himself. His whole monolog about how awful it was to live with his was just a cowards excuse to avoid facing the consequences of what he had done. And the reason Justine died, is because Victor didn't tell the truth. Sure she confessed, after horrendous mental torture and anguish. She had probably reached the point of being unable to bear it any longer and confessed just to see it all end. Her death is just as much Victor's fault as every other death in the story. Him making a big show of lamenting it afterwards is all just cowardice and ego. He is justifying his actions by claiming his guilt is worse than dying, AFTER he refused to save a woman he knew was innocent. And him telling the truth would have meant people could have taken measures to deal with the actual murderer and his creator instead of yet another life being lost when Victor's supreme arrogance again put an innocent life at risk by leaving his bride unprotected. Overthinking doesn't come into play here. He's a coward and a craven,, not an man stricken with an anxiety disorder. He doesn't get any credit her. None at all.

@ptero

Жыл бұрын

@@MorrahaDesigns Welp, I agree, he could have told the truth at some point (anything is good if it's for the saving of innocent child), though really don't see where he "rationalized" it. He tried his best to to convince the judges that Justina is innocent without revealing the whole story - but it didn't help. He then said that he was tormented by his conscience for here it seems, twice in the book. And there was no "She's better off dead" there, it was seriously only his suicidal reasoning, which he then also rejected. Also just pointing out, Justina was a stranger to him, but that's beside the point... ... But yea, I also don't say that he wasn't a coward and narrow minded when came to other people. He just wasn't "Evil" in his self absorbtion and ego, quite the less, I think, but he just couldn't stand the responsibility. He wanted to do good and everything, but always avoided goong all in, thinking it will work out naturally.

@MorrahaDesigns

Жыл бұрын

@@ptero He withheld information that would have saved an innocent life in order to protect his own guilty self. And he DID justify it by saying that her suffering would soon be over while his continued. He is a vile, coward. The whole thing began because he decided he was smarter and better than he was and muddled in horrible depraved experiments. He deserves ZERO justification. The ONLY semi-decent thing he does is refuse to create another wretch. But then he cancels that out by allowing his own bride to die. There is not a single thing you can say in his defense that will actually make him seem less horrible. Your responses to me are very much in the vein of "He's not as bad as you claim him to be." Yes he is, he is a horrible beast and there is a very strong reason why many, many people say that Victor was the true monster all along. Your bit about him avoiding going all in because he hoped it would work out is just whitewashing the selfish, cowardly muck he is actually made of. He is irredeemable because he passed up every single opportunity he was given to redeem himself. He is not a sympathetic character.

@ptero

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@@MorrahaDesigns I would like to see exact quote, where he rationalized Justine's death. On the other things - I think you just making too much devil out of him by looking at his lone actions. If you don't remember, he seriously regrets what he did and also what he thought. He thought too much of himself and then realized that it was wrong. He prioritized the coward's own comfort over imminent danger to the child, and the conscience was so bad, he wanted to kill himself. And, well, he was just plain stupid when he thought about how the monster wants to attack. It seems to me that human error is playing a role here, because for many chapters, he was very, very worried about the safety of his loved ones - even if he suspected that the Monster was following him on his heels to England. If you take into account his reasoning in the past, then you should not forget this either. So I also see him as coward, but very complicated in his feelings coward. It's my point. And don't like my boi being slandered so hard from you :)

Knowledge is knowing Frankenstein isn't the monster Wisdom is knowing Frankenstein is the monster

@jodhod1498

6 жыл бұрын

AuroraBorealis5030 Spelling is knowing Frankenstein is the monster. Grammar is knowing Frankenstein was the monster.

@kyletowers9662

6 жыл бұрын

Both are monsters

@AuroraBorealis-uc1xv

6 жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh how the heck did I spell it wrong?? I totally didn't notice lol

@michaelbesser4984

6 жыл бұрын

jod hod When writing about the events in novels, regardless of when the novel was written or in what time period the novel takes place in, you are supposed to write in present tense. Thus, saying "Frankenstein was the monster" is actually incorrect. This statement refers to the fictional character Frankenstein in the novel, but, as he is the monster in the novel, you are supposed to write everything in present tense.

@levongevorgyan6789

6 жыл бұрын

Not really. He didn't kill anyone. The monster did.