When Sonic Mania Plus dropped, base Sonic Mania got an update that added things like a new menu and zone transitions for all stages that didn't have them. I feel like they'd do the same for Origins: patch the base game, DLC new content, bundle that DLC'd version into a physical release.

I'm surprised you didn't mention them fixing the actual replaced Sonic 3 tracks to not sound like trash like they do in-game as a hope for Plus

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, one of the patreon early access people brought that up but by then it was way too late to add anything about it. It didn't even cross my mind. I wouldn't mind if they cleaned them up.

@djyoshiman9448

Жыл бұрын

​@BlazeHedgehog They don't even have to fix them up. The content is just available, the great versions are even soundtracked on KZread, just play those ones if they want the absolute simplest way of making it happen. I doubt any loud minority is going to complain it's not "hardware correct" if it means we get the much better sounding tracks.

@kingkazma3246

Жыл бұрын

Someone made remix of the Beta Sonic 3 songs that have instrumemts from the MJ songs and they sound so good! I wish they used those!

I honestly would love to see Chaotix, but realistically, i know you're right. Oh well. There's always emulation, right?

17:08 "They can't just drag and drop a Sonic Spinball ROM in here and call it a day" Ha, that aged well.

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

They still technically didn't! Game Gear is a completely different platform than the Genesis. :p

One glitch I hate is how in Sandopolis Act 2, almost none of the checkpoints worked until the very last few.

classic mode should be emulation and you get coins all the same times you would normally except infinite lives are an option instead(the coins got at the same time as an extra life)also voice clips restored to cd would be cool

There's a lot more I want from Plus (playable Amy, Knuckles Chaotix, 3D Blast & Spinball etc) but I'd settle for a physical release with Knuckles playable in CD, Knuckles and Tails AI character combo playable in S1, CD and 3K (instead of just in S2), the option of the finite lives system in Anniversary/Story Mode and 3K getting a much needed patch.

@lilredhacker

Жыл бұрын

knuckles and tails ai should happen

@lilredhacker

Жыл бұрын

and knuckles in scd is official

I know you're taking a stand against Sonic Origins Plus price tag. But PLEASE get it some time, I really need your review of Plus!

I'm gonna be honest here: I've been burned by this collection when it came out and I'm not expecting them to do ANYTHING outside of the bare minimum here. new things? sure... but FIXING things? *H4H4H4-- THAT'LL NEVER HAPPEN!!* and if that is the case, I just will. not. buy it.

They should lower the price of the "plain" version, then upgrade anyone who already bought the game to the plus version. But knowing Sega, unless they change their product strategy, this won't happen.

I hope a patch is dropped alongside with it that fixes the base problems, and they dont just pretend the giant issues dont exist when releasing new stuff.

I think you're forgetting that, when Mania Plus happened, you didn't need to get that DLC to get the updates like the stage transitions or updated Metal Sonic boss. All that stuff was free. What you paid for was Encore Mode, Mighty, Ray, and 4-player Competition Mode. I'd guess that Origins Plus' release would come with an update to the four games we have for everyone for free that fixes things, maybe makes the new Sonic 3 music sound better, and then the paid stuff would have something like Amy and/or Mighty and Ray playable, some kind of bonus mode, or, with the biggest "maybe" you can think of, a new game or something like having R2 restored in CD like Hidden Palace was for Sonic 2.

@johney-duh-one

Жыл бұрын

Thinking about it, having Dubious Depths (R2) be playable in CD after 30 years would be pretty amazing.

@TomTheyy

Жыл бұрын

Dubious Depths would be rad, but we're still missing key sprites and assets that Hidden Palace Zone had in its favour, which might make its inclusion less enticing to Sonic Team as they'd essentially be trying to recreate what they were originally going for from scratch. There was also Taxman's Desert Dazzle replacement level, but then that kinda became the basis for Mirage Saloon Zone in Mania anyways, if albeit differently functioning to how a SCD level would work. Same with a couple ideas from Final Fever being used in that game instead. I do wonder if there's one last chance for Headcannon to make Sonic 3's multiplayer levels their own single-Act Zones, considering how consistently they mentioned wanting to do that in their remaster yet there wasn't a trace of work on that in Origins, outside of upscaling the graphics of the levels and including them in the Level Select. It was always an idea they had on their own, so maybe Sega just never approved it. Might be a lot of work.

@johney-duh-one

Жыл бұрын

@@TomTheyy About the assets thing, we really don't know how much of Dubious Depths was really made. Looking at how most zones were made, at the very least a tileset of some sort would've been made for testing before the object assets were made (the enemies, boss, etcetera), even then there's no way of knowing currently what was made for the round survive to present day. The tileset could've been lost and discarded in the move of Sega of Japan HQ, which is possibly the reason Christian Whitehead only found the enemies and boss in the dev digitizer he was given in 2011. Or the other assets (tiles, background, etcetera) could've been filed somewhere else, we just don't know at the moment. So we'll just have to wait and see, who knows? Sonic CD's 30th anniversary is coming up and we could see more of Dubious Depths then.

@retrofan4963

Жыл бұрын

Like turn the Origins version of these prototype tracks into the 1103 prototype versions? :)

Always great to hear your opinions on these things! I mean, i'm cautiously optimistic. They did fix the dodgy Switch port of Mania with Mania Plus after all, so there's a good chance they will iron out the issues in Origins Plus, maybe in some aspects even just with the free patch to support the Plus upgrade. Although the case for it does make less sense than in Mania, I still think it's somewhat reasonable to expect some kind of Encore-like mode. Maybe it would be a collection of remixed stages picked from the four/five/4.5 games in the collection rather than every single stage across every game. And I'm certainly hoping for new characters like Amy. I don't expect new games, not even if they lean into emulation for a quick bonus feature (in fact, like you said, that'd be _less_ likely). It's just not realistic and doesn't make much sense. IF they were to do any game it would reasonably be Spinball, or if I may present a wildcard, _Sonic the Fighters!_ Sonic the Fighters has an excellent modern native port, which even showed up in one of the Yakuza/Judgment games recently, albeit in the usual cut-down arcade mode only form. And it's certainly a much more enjoyable game than Spinball, Chaotix or Sonic 3D. Sure, it doesn't fit with the other games at all, but I did say it was a wildcard. Also, it would be nice if Plus also included all the Digital Deluxe and DLC content from the original release. In fact i would consider that the bare minimum. But we all know what the most important thing for Origins Plus is and that's a physical release! I wasn't interested in picking up the game originally, but I know my partner is gonna be all over a physical version. Finally, i don't expect the original audio for Sonic 3, but It would be nice if they just like, fixed the audio in general, since it's all really compressed in Origins, doesn't even offer the remastered music for Sonics 1 and 2, and I'm sure I don't need to tell you that a lot of the new renditions of the PC/proto music in Sonic 3 really suck, in my opinion at least, so I'd really like to see them redo those too. I dunno, I just can't get my hopes up with anything Sonic-related anymore. But even still, a lot of those seem like reasonable requests for Sonic Origins Plus, right?

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

You know, if they did do an encore mode that was just, like, a "best of" that smushed together ~6 zones from the other four games, maybe that wouldn't be so bad. But I still feel like that would be a lot of work for the 9 months of development this is probably getting. I would take less features done well over more features that feel undercooked.

@rexthesheep

Жыл бұрын

@@BlazeHedgehog Totally agree!

my biggest gripe is such a petty thing, but the dealbreaker that made me refund the game was the fact that there was no way to map movement to the arrow keys. it's the first thing i tried to do, because that's how i've always played the classic games on PC. but it just straight up did not let me do it despite the fact that arrow keys worked just fine already on the main menu.

15:42 I mean, maybe they could have the decency to use the non-shit versions of these songs from the 1103 prototype but that's just me

@glitchedblood

Жыл бұрын

they have the ability to use 1103 but they decided not to except for a couple songs

@retrofan4963

Жыл бұрын

@@glitchedblood They all came from a different prototype, which is why some tracks sound close the 1103 state. It doesn't make sense they use some tracks from the 1103, but not the others. Some are more finished than other in a different Sonic 3 prototype. Carnival Night in Origins is based on the earliest version of the track that's not as finished as the 1103 version.

@glitchedblood

Жыл бұрын

@@retrofan4963 They DID use 1103 for some songs. New Blue Sphere results, Competition Menu, Ending, and Ice Cap 2.

@retrofan4963

Жыл бұрын

@@glitchedblood But would it really make sense that these tracks came from 1103 and the rest of the prototype tracks got it from somewhere else? What if all these prototype tracks in Origins came from an earlier prototype than 1103, but Competition Menu theme, Ending and IceCap Act 2 theme are the closest state to 1103? The fact that these tracks are identical to the 1103 prototype version of the tracks proves that all the prototype tracks in Origins are not new remasters by Jun Senoue, they must be taken from an earlier prototype or even the one after 1103 but still before MJ and his crew came in?

17:45 I don’t care if they aren’t good or in Origins, I still want them to be rereleased to keep them preserved and have easy ways to access them. I’m willing to play Chaotix as much as I am to play whatever highly played Sonic game I haven’t played yet as it’s Sonic history. Besides, I grew a liking towards Secret Rings, who could say I can’t do the same for these games?

6:02 Origins Plus is a callback to Mania Plus which was a callback to Mega Collection Plus.

I actually *want* them to put emulations of the original games in Origins Plus. In the leadup to release, the promotional material talked about how the classic mode would give you the original experience, but it ended up just being some modified versions of the remakes. What they should do is keep the anniversary mode, then change the classic mode to be the original ROMs. That way, you can have the modern AND classic versions. I also think that the other games like Chaotix, 3D Blast, and the Game Gear/Master System titles should be included, even if it is just emulation. This game is supposed to be about Sonic's origins, but it doesn't include anything other than the main four titles. I can understand your concerns about the games not aging the best, but it's not about modernizing them. It's about making them playable in the first place.

They should really add a quick level select for all games, especially Sonic 1 and 2. That was something I was expecting that was absent in Origins. This isn't the 90s anymore, it's silly to expect people to enter cheat codes just to replay levels especially once they've already beaten the game. Especially for Sonic 2. Punching in the sound test code is a little tedious because I always forget what the code is and have to look it up again every time I just want to select a certain level in that game. Also, I was bummed out that they removed proto palace from this version even though it was in the IOS Christian Whitehead port. The jingle for it plays when you put the code in in Origins, but it doesn't do anything.

@TomTheyy

Жыл бұрын

It seems that the code is now used alongside debug mode to just access regular Hidden Palace Zone from the level select, even though you could just select it as normal in the iOS version if it was unlocked. I'm guessing they wanted to remove Proto Palace Zone but did it in a real awkward way because they weren't as knowledgeable working with the Retro Engine as say, Headcannon would be. They made the Drop Dash a cloned Spin Dash with animation issues in S1/SCD/S2, after all.

I'd love to see Honey the Cat being added as a character. She's really the only Classic Character that hasn't been brought back in some shape or form and you could argue that she was more well known than, say, Ray (before Mania Plus I mean). I think it would be way cooler than just doing Amy or recycling Mighty and Ray (plus more female characters are always good)

@southsonic

Жыл бұрын

I agree with this. She needs to be in another game. It would've been cool if she was paired with Mighty and Ray. (But this is just my opinion)

@Cremotor

Жыл бұрын

@@southsonic Wow this aged poorly already :(

So apparently Headcannon is working with SEGA to implement the new characters and improve the collection to be "the best it can be". I wonder just how many bug fixes and improvements will be implemented. Stealth's team seems to have been given a lot of leeway based on how happy he sounded in his Twitter post. He even went on to express how proud he is on his team and his excitment to be working with SEGA. But I don't know what do you think?

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

I think it pays to keep expectations in check, but the fact Sega is still working with him at all is a good sign, at least. Stealth (Headcannon) made waves about what Sega did to Sonic 3 without his knowledge or permission, on top of the harsh deadlines they faced. If they brought him back after that, that's a not a bad sign.

@nitrox6679

Жыл бұрын

@@BlazeHedgehog Hmm perhaps. Either way it will be interesting to see what happens

Hey Blaze, have you got any links to the information of the supposed plans for Encore mode that weren't finished due to time and budget? I'd really like to read about them, this is the first I'm hearing of this.

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

It was never printed anywhere. It was something I heard in a conversation with... people. And let's leave it at that.

@braven_iss

Жыл бұрын

@@BlazeHedgehog Interesting. I guess in a way it's reassuring to know it was planned to be more, since I was always left underwhelmed by Encore Mode. Thanks for the info!

I felt the exact same way about Origins Plus as you did - the idea of spending extra money to fix their bad collection doesn't sit right with me. It better be a free patch (kind of like Mania) for existing customers, or else there's no way I'll be supporting it.

@malik.a4125

Жыл бұрын

It was not

I’m very anxious and excited to hear your thoughts about Sonic Superstars :) love your work pal; enjoy your break!

I actually would like the beta music from Sonic 3 & Knuckles as it sounds when played through the Genesis/Mega Drive soundchip, before Jun messed with with their compositions, added back in as an option. You know, the songs that were in the original PC release of that game that everyone called horrible because they were being played on hardware they weren't composed for. I actually really enjoy those tracks when played on the proper hardware, in my opinion Jun ruined those tracks. The music from the original Genesis/Mega Drive release would also be nice but I am not holding my breath. If they were included I would not be surprised if they ended up being another separate add-on for $5-$10 on their own.

18:02 Best take I've heard in a "Knuckles' Chaotix in Origins Plus?" Discussion so far

@protocetid

Жыл бұрын

Why do people want KC? Would be better to release a brand new Classic Sonic game with the Chaotix (if you must have them) after Origins, it’s not going to happen because gamers dropped the ball and caused Mania to be a slow seller.

@yadienbegode2778

Жыл бұрын

@@protocetid Everything you just said makes no sense. What would a brand new classic Sonic game have to do with a Chaotix remake for Origins?? And what does Mania have to do with Origins??? So many Sonic fans just want more and more and have the most unreasonable expectations

@protocetid

Жыл бұрын

@@yadienbegode2778 Don't see how what I wrote is confusing. Was that a knee jerk reaction or a refusal to engage in an intellectually honest discussion? To reiterate, KC is a poorly designed game, so I want someone to explain to me why there's demand for it. A native port would be about as much work as making a new game. So I suggested a better option, a new game with the KC elements that fans like best. Then I ended by saying why it's unlikely to happen: Sonic Mania sold surprisingly poorly at launch and was slow to reach the million mark. For a huge gaming icon like Sonic, that was a poor showing.

@yadienbegode2778

Жыл бұрын

@@protocetid Please excuse my last comment. Honestly, it was more of a knee-jerk if anything, mostly caused by the huge amount of times I've seen Sonic fans demand ridiculous stuff with the most unreasonable expectations. Even though Knuckles' Chaotix is a poorly written game, KC is actually a divisive game, with the majority being on the negative side. All those people who demand the game are the people who liked it. You've gotta understand that just because something is bad, doesn't mean every single person on the planet will hate it. There will always be a group of people who think positively of it.

@protocetid

Жыл бұрын

@@yadienbegode2778 Sonic's main demographic is children so immaturity is to be expected, this can be mitigated (not avoided, because every group has bad apples) by going to the communities consisting of older people. I know that everything, widely panned or not, will have a few fans minimum. But the fact that there is clamoring for Sega to waste its time and money to bring back an obscure game with a bad mechanic is so weird and dumb. Specially when you consider they might want animated cutscenes for it too. On second thought it’s likely curiosity that’s driving them to request it. Imagine Sega wasting resources on it and seeing sales of Knuckles Chaotix as DLC end after its 12 fans already bought it because surprise! It sucks. Sonic Mania was lovingly crafted and it sold below expectations, KC would perform abysmally as soon as the younger players tried it and told the rest about its suckage. Or if it’s about wanting more retro Sonic then I already covered why a new game would be highly preferable but out of reach. There are aspects of KC that are worth bringing back like the art style and giving spinoffs to other important characters so they can have their time in the limelight.

When dealing with Sega, always assume you're wishing on the monkey's paw.

11:16 There’s even a glitch that brings back the stage select from the mobile versions for whatever reason.

Fun development info: when we were developing games for older consoles, we had illegal colours. I remember "illegal red" especially. You just wouldn't use 255 (maximum) red in your colours because of what the CRT would do if you used it. Just remembered this from your talk about the brightness problems.

@yourehereforthatarentyou

Жыл бұрын

what would it do

Very well said, addressed a lot of interesting talking points. Sonic Origins Plus is Sega's last chance to rectify the more confounding aspects of this collection, but I wonder if some of that will require a bit more effort into messing with Retro Engine code than what Sonic Team have currently shown to be capable of on their own. I.e. being unable to properly add in the Drop Dash without cloning a Spin Dash and causing both leftover frames of that to always appear and an initial bug with Tails, despite simultaneously seeing Headcannon do it correctly in their contribution to the collection? Or giving us the option for a separate Super transformation button by just making one of the three jump button inputs permanently fixed to that purpose only. Even though Mania just made it a 4th input. It's subtleties like that which show they're a bit squeamish in working with the nitty-gritty of the Retro Engine. If they really are adding in another character or two, they're gonna need to code in stuff like new, unique moves they can't just clone from a Spin Dash. Now whether they get Headcannon to do that or not (at least outside of their remaster), I'm not sure. But you'd hope that level of polish a new character would need would mean other aspects of the collection could get the same level of care, like putting Max Control in all games, more cheat codes, or at least fixing the damn pixel filter blurriness from putting the Retro Engine inside the Hedgehog Engine. I do wonder if Amy would be added, though. I'm still kinda perplexed at the idea of making a mostly new spriteset and moveset for a character in the bonus content of a game collection, but Origins' ending animation did playfully tease Amy in action breaking spikes with her hammer. I assume that appeal of her non-Spin Dash, Spring-Hammering Advance 1 moveset might translate okay to a single-button playstyle? I imagine they'd want to stick with that Classic gameplay simplicity, if not outright mandated to. Though again, they may need to do some coding in making every spring/spike in the game properly interact with her Hammer, I remember some thread about difficulty programming that kinda thing in fan works. I'd laugh so hard if it was just Mighty and Ray, though. It'd also be weird if Knuckles still wasn't playable in SCD at that point, there'd literally be no excuse. "& Tails" playability is only missing in SCD too, but maybe Sega or their mandates would be weird about it or the Knuckles equivalent being in all games, especially considering the odd new secrecy in demoting the option from default to cheat code only in S1. Knuckles & Tails is technically already possible in S3&K though, being triggered just for MGZ Act 2 if you debug into Sonic's boss fight with Knuckles. It's also a wonder if they'll use Origins Plus to address the later prototype versions of the S3 soundtrack, if fans' outreach to use those versions with Hidden Palace's offer to send them the ROM will mean anything to Sega who were oddly ignorant of its existence, perhaps needing such verification. And beyond that, if Sonic 3's physics being different than the original will be addressed, either. From what I've heard, it's apparently a result of S3's values being interpreted differently by the Retro Engine or such. But does that mean it's something Headcannon themselves intended to fix alongside other issues of the remaster? Would it have to be treated as a separate, probably cheat code option within the established release? And also of course, we're still not 100% on if Headcannon are allowed to fix their remaster as they intended, though the hard mode cheat added in Origins' patch wasn't something we knew about prior, nor does it seem like something Sonic Team would add on their own. If they still don't get to fix it for Origins Plus, what is Sega even doing here?

@NAFEDUDE

Жыл бұрын

The idea that SEGA isn't aware of that prototype is an odd claim considering some music tracks are indeed from that prototype. They likely just didn't feel the need to meet expectations of that prototype because, well. They didn't release it. Why should they be held to the expectations of a build that was leaked by someone else? We weren't supposed to know about it, and just because we do now doesn't mean SEGA has to take that into account whenever they produce something that could be compared to it.

@TomTheyy

Жыл бұрын

@@NAFEDUDE That's kinda weird logic, it's all existing prototype music done for a game 30 years ago and it objectively sounds more complete than what prototype music Origins used. The Ice Cap music it shares? One track is the same, but the other sounds less unique than in the leaked prototype. That kinda suggests to me that Origins' music is just an earlier prototype than what was leaked, and Sega just aren't acknowledging the latter for whatever reason.

as long as they fix the drop dash on sonic 1 and 2 Ill be happy

So uhh... i got 2 questions now... 1. What do you think of Amy being added as a playable character now? 2. How do you feel about being KINDA wrong about them not adding any more games?

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

Well, I hope Amy is fun (what they show in the announcement trailer is too short to judge), and they technically sidestepped what I was talking about as far as including more games goes. I am both right and wrong. Unfortunately, a lot of the Game Gear games are kind of boring. Out of the 12 they're promising, there's maybe three that are still worth playing (Sonic Chaos, Triple Trouble, and Tails Adventures).

Welp; turns out we in fact are going to be getting Spinball and Blast... Just not the versions we were expecting. They're pullin' an SADX and tossing in emulated editions of Sonic's Game Gear library. Sooooo yaaaay? At least you were right on about Amy and the additional challenges. But it still feels overall half-assed compared to the likes of Sonic Jam, and even in some regards, Sonic Mega Collection. Especially since they want to charge an additional price for it.

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

I mean, they had like 7 months to cobble all of this together. They were not going to move mountains.

Not having the original Sonic 3 OST is understandable, but we shoulf at least get versions of the prototype songs that don't sound cheap and worse than from the prototype. And the Super Sonic theme needs to not sound like it came from Sonic 4.

It would be cool if they got headcannon team to add Dubious Depths, Dessert Dazzle, 'Bonus Stage', and Final Fever for CD.

It would be nice for this game to feature Mighty and Ray that being said that would mean that they both have another playable appearance same with Amy I feel like that would make this collection even more amazing and worth purchasing especially if that means that this version of the game will be physically released

Alright! Origins Plus comes out this Friday, and the new additions are: - Amy

what do i want minimum: -better main menu to navigate easier and proper in-game menus instead of jarring silent corporate looking ones; -save files and no save mode, bring them back; -options for anniversary mode, like toggling abilities, shields, lives - no lives - coins, different aspect ratios etc, and working with saves; -have Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles separate why do people want this I don't understand- -bug fixes for all 4(5) games, please; -replace Carnival Night, IceCap and Launch Base tracks, to the tracks from a more recent Sonic 3 prototype, and better Super Theme (NOT SONIC 4); -better quality sound for S3&K music, since it sounds very muffled; -emulated games for classic mode with no cutscenes. -VECTOR THE CROCODILE FOR EVERY GAME YEAH BABYYY-

Regarding the S2K music situation, Sega doesn't own the compositions either, they have the rights for the Genesis renditions of those muaic tracks - meaning any new remaster or recreation of those songs (maybe eveb the Beta tracks) are legally put of bounds for Sega to use in a commercial product. That might explain why the Sonic 3 & Knuckles port for Origins doesn't have remastered chiptune and samples.

Sonic CD is 30 years old, and thus Amy and Metal Sonic's 30th anniversary, so maybe both will be playable in Origins? Maybe Mania too 😅

I'm not buying origins plus and here's why. If you buy the base game now its $30, while before it was $40. Plus being $10 means that people who buy the game now get a discount, while the people who bought it at launch don't. Also if you purchased the premium fun pack and music pack (like ME) you get scammed even more due to it being included in plus now. This seems a little backwards to me, shouldn't you give the people who bought the game before a discount or even as a free update, Not just the new buyers? (I mean I know the reason maximize profits and stuff but it annoys me).

I'm personally just happy sonic origins exists. Even if we have to mod the game to make it perfect, it's still great to see that these games got the mania treatment at all, they could have just kept ignoring sonic 3 and giving us more emulators for decades on end. This isn't to discount the frustration, but seeing mixed reviews on steam hurts knowing how special the prospect of this collection even existing in the first place is. The pricing situation has also sucked, but at least it's mellowed out at $40 for the full experience, plus and all. All of this is to say that I'm just happy they even made this game with all of the talent behind it, it's certainly better treatment than nintendo gives towards game preservation, buggy or not.

@ryko1478

Жыл бұрын

I honestly would have preferred if they were just emulated versions

So with the announcement of the expansion pass, the one thing I hope is if they fix the bugs and resolution/screen filter issues from the base release. I'm still baffled that Sonic Team screwed over the devs on this.

@NinjaRed5000

Жыл бұрын

@@BlazeHedgehog I think you're replying to the wrong comment

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

@@NinjaRed5000 Huh. Looks like it. That's super weird.

You have a thing going for, especially with your classic sonic speculations and analysis

Hear me out. What if, Sonic Origins Plus introduces more stuff to the original games in regards to the other characters you can play as? Knuckles and Tails only areas in sonic 1 through CD, as well as Knuckles just being in CD. It'd be nice to see them polish everything up and (I know my hopes a bit high here, but...) find a way to combine Forever, Absolute, and A.I.R into one big package in some way, aswell as giving a definitive way to actually play Sonic CD. I know this probably won't happen, but It'd be nice to see them at least give it a try.

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

The phone (Retro Engine) versions of Sonic 1 and 2 actually already do this. There's a whole upper path in Marble Zone Act 3 now that only Knuckles and Tails can reach, plus new areas in a bunch of other levels purpose built for them. Chemical Plant for instance had its "Sonic 2 & Knuckles" areas completely revamped. You can see some of it at 18:40.

@ThePlayerinBed

Жыл бұрын

@@BlazeHedgehog What Act is that route in? I found one in Act 1 but I can't seem to find that one you went through. Edit: found the route he went through, tho he went through the area where you exit lol.

What about a mode that combines zones together making a set of 6-8 new stages?

Bruh, it sounds like you're waaay to close to the mic or something. Otherwise, some good points on a pretty solid vid 👍

Even if they only use the original prototype music from Sonic 3, think they could have used the music from the PC version?

Bring Knuckles Chaotics back. Its time Sega

Absolutely pie in the sky would be CD quality remix soundtracks for 1, 2 and 3

I'm hoping with the approach they're taking for the Sonic Frontiers DLC, they may actually consider making Origins Plus free too. But who knows, maybe I'm expecting too much from em

Hopefully they include the actual roms, so you can play romhack through steam workshop again. I also hope we get some extra games, not the full remakes, but stuff like chaotix, r, and the Saturn version of 3d blast havent been rereleased in years, fuk you, I like them

Wait The Extra Slot Project Just Out

Glad I waited for reviews of Origins before buying into it. What a crap chute that turned out to be.

@TommyDeonauthsArchives

Жыл бұрын

Buddy, did you see the Accolades trailer for Sonic Origins? Sega is really delusional as much as those delusional journalists that get blinded by nostalgia for Sonic games...

@dragondelsur5156

Жыл бұрын

@@TommyDeonauthsArchives The moment I've seen the "I make 30 years look good" thing, I proceeded to avoid Origins like I avoid my taxes.

so... what do you think of the expansion now?

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

We don't know the price yet, but I'm pretty... meh, I guess. Not angry, not happy, just very... whatever.

@RetroJordan91

Жыл бұрын

@@BlazeHedgehog $39.99 for the complete physical edition (which has all DLCs); $10 for the Plus upgrade on the digital version

I would love to see that rewind thing to be added now I think the best way to narrow the new things origins plus is goingnto have we have to go back to mania plus so yeah let's do it to it the 1st thing is new playable characters the one that is the most obvious is Amy she was my 1st pick for extra playable character when origins was aconned the next is metel sonic just a cool edition all around and since this based off of mania plus mighty and ray would be awesome we also have new features like how about the ones from sonic 3 complete and air and have the debug executive things be added back and bring back the sonic and tails screen from sonic 1 and have the classic mode be the og gennis/Sega cd for all 4 games and the rewind feature also as a option and add music to the extras And have the pause and coin menus have some background like green hill stardust speedway emalred hill and angel island have tails and knuckles duo be added in 1 2 and cd and have knuckles be playable in cd and throw in the morden and classic idw sonic comics now for the dream stuff like a Encore mode it will be similar to mania plus but just throw in a bunch of random Zones and remix them and throw in some ones from mania and new games now the 1st one that is obvious is spinball that thing is everywhere in Sega collections and it's island is in the game next is 3d blast cause it's island is in the game next is choaxits which is a must have for this game next is triple trouble and chaos as those are the most popular games for the game gear and for the unlockbles advance 1 2 and 3 rush and rush adventure and yes we'll these are all going to be made in the retro engine we'll just look at unleash a lot of things can happen in months and that is it what do yall think

While I do agree that Sega botched the release of this collection, I also think people are overly harsh on it. There were unquestionably some serious issues initially, but as you said, they fixed the most egregious ones in the patch. In my own experience, I feel like all the collection really lacked post patch was a tad nitpicky on my end. Though all I really wanted was for all 4 games to have a Sonic 3/Mania style save system with all 5 character choices (to include Sonic & Tails and Sonic & Knuckles) as standard options (minus Knuckles in CD since he wasn't in the original Christian Whitehead version). And maybe make the drop dash control the same in all 3 versions and give the options for all of Sonic's abilities in all the games, and the ability to set the chaos emeralds in Sonic 1 to 7 without having to do so through the debug menus, though I think that's even more minor an issue than the save system and standard character options. People have constantly quoted the "new playable characters" line in the promo material but shockingly very few people either are willing to admit or realize that it's definitely referring to Tails & Knuckles in Sonic 1 and Tails in Sonic CD. That said, I would hold my hopes in check for a Sonic Origins Plus even if it does get officially announced. I'd love to see Ray, Mighty, and Amy added as playable but beyond that and potentially Metal or adding Knuckles to CD, I have serious doubts any other characters would be added. Especially given the things Sonic Team has said about Mighty & Ray being exclusively Classic Sonic's buddies and everyone else besides Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Metal, and Eggman being exclusively Modern Sonic's buddies. Though if we just wanna talk wishlist regardless how outlandish? Man... I would love to see that recent 16-bit Triple Trouble fan remake get adopted by Sega into the collection with proper compense to the team behind it.

I really hate this trend of games coming out in a dismal state only to be fixed and "redeem" themselves to all of the people who bought them *either 3 months to a full year since launch* I know it has been a thing for over a decade as games allowed for patches, but it has really started to become more and more frequent and extending from the highest of brand-new AAA releases to the most basic-barebones remaster of an old game

@mjc0961

Жыл бұрын

This is why now more than ever it is so important to *_absolutely never pre-order_*

@maydaymemer4660

Жыл бұрын

I mean we are talking sonic here, thats been happening since 1994, 1998 and 2001

@DeepWeeb

Жыл бұрын

@@mjc0961 I mean, why would you pre-order a remaster/collection/port anyways? Chances are that is something you already played once And that's another thing, why do publishers treat re-releases of old games (as good as they might be) as if there was a big deal about them other than the fact they can't be played on most current systems? Did Origins warrant such hype cycle to begin with only because they finally remastered Sonic 3? Big whoop, Sonic 3 Complete and AIR exist and do everything better than Origins _and they are free_

Just had a scary thought that they just port over ray and mighty and that's it. Hopefully not

I vividly remember when it was announced Origins didn't have Knuckles in CD, I got called out for saying that they would release a Plus DLC for Origins with Knuckles in CD as a gimmick. So anyway, haha I (probably) was right.

@ThePlayerinBed

Жыл бұрын

You were right.

i think they should lower the normal price to 30, the deluxe version to 40 or 35, and if we already own the deluxe version, then we get plus free

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

I think the standard edition should be at least $20, depending on the differences between Standard and Deluxe. The Standard version of Mania got upgrades when it was patched to support Plus, so the standard edition of Origins will probably get *some* fixes, but it depends on what they are.

This is good, and your good at guessing the title of the dlc, but Amy is the only one that got added. But sonic origins plus is still great

Oh of coarse I find this video now. Not your fault, just a case of FML. In any case. Awhile back I ended up watching a video where someone else was covering how bad of a remake this collection is. At some point they were talking and showing that the speed cap had been raised/taken off and it reminded me if something. I thought 'that reminds me of Sonic The Hedgehog Genesis for the GBA'. The moment I had that thought, I couldn't help but think of the problems with that port and most importantly why it was the way it was. Because when it comes to Sonic 1, 2 and CD they all ran fine enough due to them all running on their on custom versions of Retro Engine for each title. Maybe someone else has pointed this out (possibly in the modding community), but I believe that in order for Sega to have a unified EXE file, for ease of ports and whatnot, the Origins Collection is running on a hacked version of Retro Engine that comes from Mania. To me, this explains the multitude of glitches, hit box problems and what ever other issues these versions of the games have that prier releases didn't.

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At this point I think I've given up on Origins, this collection is so lazilly put together that asking for Amy, the original music of S3&K, or even something as minimal as putting Knuckles on CD might seem too much to ask. And with the Steam versions of these games delisted, I cannot play Sonic Forever or S3 A.I.R without having to resort to questionable methods to get them. My eyes are going to Frontiers, at least we know that game is not getting abandoned.

@retrofan4963

Жыл бұрын

You do know the reason they didn't use the Jackson tracks is because of copyrighted reason right? How is it Sega's fault in this case? That's out of their control. Also, I don't get the hate behind the prototype tracks. They're really great in my opinion, and they're the actual original tracks.

@dragondelsur5156

Жыл бұрын

@@retrofan4963 I don't hate them, I don't even care about the tracks but people that ask for them might ask for too much.

@retrofan4963

Жыл бұрын

@@dragondelsur5156 It is asking too much because getting the rights of MJ and his crew tracks from the company that owns them is a hassle and a lot of money to buy off from. That's why Sega hasn't re-released Sonic 3 and Knuckles for quite a long while. Honestly, Sega should've thought putting the prototype tracks as a solution when that situation came up since long ago. But hey, better late than never. People complained about it anyway. I bet if they put the superior 1103 version of these prototype tracks, Sonic fans will still complain about it anyway. Personally, I prefer the prototype tracks, but that's overall my opinion.

@TomTheyy

Жыл бұрын

Sonic Forever has nothing to do with the Steam releases getting pulled; it works off of the mobile release which is still obtainable.

@rynobehnke8289

Жыл бұрын

@@retrofan4963 I mean Sega also doesn't own any of the tracks from Sonic 1 and 2 yet every time they re-release them are there just happy enough to throw some money in the direction of its composers so why not just do that for the problematic tracks in 3. Hell for Ice Cap could they even make a deal with the current owner of the Jetzone track the melody is from given that they stole Ice caps background graphics for a release of the song on Vinyl a few years ago.

As much as we all want this stuff to happen. It won't.

I really want to play Sonic Origins, but its state on release was underwhelming. A proper update would likely push me to purchasing the game.

Sonic the game

feel like people diss the prototype soundtrack of sonic 3k way too often. without jun senoue's work in the franchise prior to the adventure era, we wouldn't have the great soundtracks that everyone loves today. also, as a younger fan i grew up with the PC version of 3k, which uses his music. after playing the genesis port via mega collection, yes i noticed the different soundtrack, and it was cool to hear what older fans got to experience! however, for me each soundtrack feels like a different experience. senoue's music is not necessarily watered down or worse than with mikey's music. both are equally enjoyable to my ears.

@retrofan4963

Жыл бұрын

I actually really enjoy the prototype tracks.

@rynobehnke8289

Жыл бұрын

Well I would argue the far bigger issue is just how badly the tracks were digitized. Apparently did Jun do it himself which was properly the problems cause as he seemingly doesn't have the know-how on these old Yamaha sound chips that Sega's technical staff had back in the 90's.

@retrofan4963

Жыл бұрын

@@rynobehnke8289 That's what they stated and maybe they originally planned that, but that idea got scrapped. Because there's large amounts of evidence that the prototype tracks in Origins came from a different existing prototype than the 1103 version. these are not new remasters. The biggest proof is that majority of the prototype tracks in Origins sound identical to the 1103 version, especially IceCap, Competition Menu theme, End Credits theme, and new Blue Sphere result theme. Even Launch Base Act1 in Origins sounds identical to the 1103 version, expect it's lower pitched. Clearly the Origins version came from a different prototype and it's confirmed that Carnival Night and Launch Base Act 2 in Origins are based on the earliest version of these tracks. If you checked out the new Super Sonic theme made by Jun Senoue in Origins, you'll notice the instrumentation he used is completely different from the Origins version of the prototype tracks. So it really seems the Super Sonic theme is the only one he newly worked on for Origins.

@rynobehnke8289

Жыл бұрын

@@retrofan4963 See the problem I see with this line of reasoning is that it forgets that we are dealing with a sound synth chip meaning the amount of sounds you can have is limited from the start. Meaning if you hammer in identical command (and as its the same melody will many be identical) will you get identical music. This also makes it possible that the reason some tracks seem to be identical is because there were exact recreations as that is something you can do as long as you know which sample is which (as opposed to recorded music were 2 identical performances is near impossible) As long as the Super Sonic theme still is technically with in the limits of the Mega Drives sound chip does it also not contradict anything. All it means is that the super Sonic theme was extended because it being to short and repetitive was a often listed complain for it.

@retrofan4963

Жыл бұрын

@@rynobehnke8289 Seems to make sense. It just throws me off because it's so insconsistant. Like Competition menu theme sounds like 1103, but Carnival Night didn't. It would make it easier Jun just use 1103 version of all the prototype tracks for Origins.

oh my god I completely 10000% agree with basically everything in this video. Sonic Mania Plus was an earned add-on to a beloved game, but the idea of an Origins Plus is so disgusting to me cus it really does feel like SEGA put way too high a price on a fkin early-access collection.

Lol, you're nuts if you think Vector will join these games. I think Amy and Metal Sonic are the most obvious choices for extra characters in this collection.

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

I didn't say I think he would. I said I'd like him to. It's basically a wishlist item. You don't gotta get aggressive about it

12:02 bruh

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

I know it doesn't look super noticeable here on KZread, but there's weird technical reasons for that. Video color spaces and graphics rendering stuff stuff like that. It's more obvious when you aren't watching a KZread video.

@walkerman2001

Жыл бұрын

Such is the nature of game development, ya gotta have a keen eye for these things (unfortunately)

Yet we all know when SO Plus comes out (which may be a physical release and maybe a new mode.) All us Sonic fans will jump on it. Because that is what we do.

@Nightcaat

Жыл бұрын

Nah. I can kinda forgive Frontiers having DRM but I drew the line at how Origins was treated and didn’t pick it up. I’ll stick to the Apple TV versions if I want to play official releases of 1/2/CD.

@mjc0961

Жыл бұрын

It's what we do if SEGA royally screws up, which SEGA does all the time, which is why we jump on everything. If Sonic Origins had been GOOD everyone would be praising it.

@walkerman2001

Жыл бұрын

And is also why Sega is content pumping out mediocrity cause they know we’ll buy it 😂

@WolfFistProductions

Жыл бұрын

I'm not saying Sonic Origins is a bad release. In fact I love it. It is convenient for me to play the four games on modern hardware. But when the (maybe) lackluster plus version comes out we will all jump on it. It is the sonic fan way. (Or it might be good.)

Where are the sonic frontiers videos?

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

The Sonic Adventure 2 video took so long I'm not sure if I should do a dedicated Sonic Frontiers review. I kind of want to, but it's still up in the air.

@TheBlueBomb

Жыл бұрын

I hope you'll do a review on Sonic Frontiers, but take your time Blaze ;)

SEGA as per usual are kind of waiting too long to announce this. The world knows it is a thing now and will begin building up their hopes for more than they are likely to actually get.

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

It will probably be announced some time in the next 2-4 weeks. The Japanese fiscal year ends at the start of April, so if they're going to announce it, they're going to do it some time after they officially close the books on 2022 and start booking 2023. It makes it easier to keep their finances straight. For example: Sega debuted the first real trailer for Sonic Origins on April 20th of last year. It's likely the entire reason they're getting the ratings registrations setup in February is for an announcement in April. They've probably had announcement plans in motion for months now and they can't just magically make it ready. They have a schedule to keep and you can't just eat raw cake batter before it's been properly baked.

No joke, I feel asleep playing 3D Blast. That game is so unimaginably boring.

Sonic Origins Plus: ▪︎ Playable Characters: Amy, Metal, Mighty Ray ▪︎ Original Music: Carnival Night, Ice Cap, Launch Base Zones ▪︎ Additional Classic Games: Segasonic, Knuckles Chaotix, Spinball, 3D Blast, possibly GG 1-2, Triple Trouble, Tails Adventure

I don't really see your argument with Emulators being clunky. I mean when was Sega's handling of Sonic ever not clunky? Beside I already see the lack of a proper emulated version of the games for there "Original mode" already as a glaring mistake as it means there is no actual way to play the game the original was as the remakes change to much on the foundations of Collision direction, physics and control behavior that these cropped versions don't make for a way to experiencing these the "original way". Also even if games like Knuckles Chaotix aren't the best so can most not even make this decisions for them self because who even owns a 32X. So including it could be nice. Same for SegaSonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Fighters and Tripple Trouble as Sonic Origins should I think also have the origins for all of the most important Classic era characters.

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

I just think the limitations under which Sega develops their emulators is poor and has been poor for 20 years. And it's undoubtedly easier to make the Origins remakes more faithful than it is to fix an emulator, otherwise Sega would have developed an accurate emulator at some point over the 25 different retro game collections they've released on every console since 1998.

@rynobehnke8289

Жыл бұрын

@@BlazeHedgehog I have to disagree here there is no way its easier to make the origin version more faithful than even inaccurate emulation. Origin's game engine would need to be heavily altered for that to be the case things like under which condition Sonic can go from a run into a ball, general collision detection, the way collision and wrapping are handled, and general physics are all things that would need heavy alteration. Sega already has working even if flawed emulators on almost all platforms that they could implement and these emulations would despite there flaws still be far closer than what is reasonable do able by tweaking the retro engine. Never mind that with just 4 games should optimizing emulations for the games specifically be far easier than the usual "do all the games" type emulators Sega makes. Also you are the first time I have seen someone take serious issue with any of Sega's modern emulators in general.

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

And I basically grew up in communities where all people did was complain about the quality of sound emulation in Sega's official emulators.

You're telling me we haven't already agreed as a society that 3D Blast isn't good? I've never liked that game. It wasn't good then, it's not good now, it'll never be good. Terrible spinoff that I'm okay leaving in the dustbin of history.

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

There are people who apparently don't mind it. I've never understood it. I mean, it's not worth hating, but it's always been a boring slog to me.

@JasonTakesOmegle

Жыл бұрын

​@@BlazeHedgehog I'd rather actually play Flicky. I think there was potential, but probably not as an isometric outing, but I remember that loop-de-loop at the start had me excited, but then there was nothing else fun to traverse.

@Newhouse56

Жыл бұрын

I quite like the Saturn version.

180th like 👍

@fruitpie19

Жыл бұрын

Anyways they did drag game gear ROMs, I guess😅

The Witcher and Cyberpunk 2077 launched badly. And patches fixed them. Now they're Game Of The Year editions. Everyone seems to love those games. . Long story short. This upcoming Sonic Origins Plus will also become a Game Of The Year edition too. Possibly even Sonic Frontiers.

One thing I'll never understand is this botched digital Sonic compilation of Retro engine remakes, got mostly positive reviews from places like IGN and GameSpot... even though they kinda trashed Sonic games like the Storybook series, Sonic Forces, and the like. And yet they gave Origins good reviews because... nostalgia...

@NAFEDUDE

Жыл бұрын

I mean that's probably because the Storybook games and Forces were just. Still worse than a slightly fucked collection of games that everyone agrees are good. You're still getting 1, 2, CD, and 3K and for a lot of people those games are just better than Secret Rings and Forces.

@rynobehnke8289

Жыл бұрын

Given that the same think happened with Colors Ultimate and knowing how rushed game review's from big outlets are to stay relevant do I feel like there just played a few stages and than came to the conclusion "just like the original which is good so lets give it a 5/5"

i don’t understand why rosy the rascal still isn’t in the game

Ok

When the Origins announcement stated it’d be the definitive way to play the games, the absolute least I expected was the games to be remade in the new, well-loved Mania-style graphics. It’s a shame it was a pointless, shameless cash-grab project at the end of the day.

@yadienbegode2778

Жыл бұрын

Mania-style graphics??? I agree with everything else, but there's no reason for them to be Mania-styled. Sega advertised it as the _definitive_ way to play the games, meaning that they're remakes of the originals in a new engine. It would actually be more false advertising to make the graphics Mania styled instead of the original. They never said they were Mania-style remakes either, so I don't know how you can fault them for something that they never promised you

@Worldpeacekid

Жыл бұрын

Remaking every sprite of four different Sonic games to make them all Mania-styled would take _way_ too much time to make for what is ultimately nothing more than a bundle of three old ports with some added bells and whistles and a new port of Sonic 3, and it'd take away from the "definitive" aspect of Origins since...well, completely changing the sprites of every single game in the collection means they don't look how you'd remember them looking as a kid, and thus they'd no longer be "definitive"; they'd just flat-out be remakes. I think it's much more likely that they simply fix up as many of the bugs and technical quibbles as they can, improve Sonic 3's new score to sound better and add Amy as a character in all four games; the kinds of things that improve the game overall, but don't require you to go through every single asset in every single game to remake all of them.

@yadienbegode2778

Жыл бұрын

@@Worldpeacekid Exactly

@mjc0961

Жыл бұрын

Nah dude, there was no reasonable expectation for them to remake the games in Mania style graphics, nor would most returning fans want that. SEGA royally screwed up Origins, but you're expectations are incredibly unreasonable.

0:55-0:57 Stay mad + L + Seeþe +Cope

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

It's really weird you'd come in to my video and proudly declare "I settled for less and I'm happy about it." But thanks for the view regardless, I guess.

Origins introduced so many plot-holes in the new cutscenes that it's not worth the pain. But personally , I'm already done with buying Sonic games. I've gotten my fill , and Frontiers finally gave me the werehog game I've always wanted. So I'm done with Sonic games , and I actually feel happy about it.

@NAFEDUDE

Жыл бұрын

...plot-holes? What? It's literally just animated scenes of things that were in the manuals. They hardly actually *impact* the plot, it's a grand total of like 10 minutes. Do you actually know what "plot hole" means?

@self-absorbed5269

Жыл бұрын

@@NAFEDUDE First off , manuals can be a gift and a curse. They can hold ideas that were axed during development for good reason. Second , Sonic didn't and wouldn't travel by slow moving biplane. He knows nothing about flight , and has been warping with rings from the start.

@dragondelsur5156

Жыл бұрын

@@self-absorbed5269 That plane has always been his, it's in the manual of Sonic 2.

@self-absorbed5269

Жыл бұрын

@@dragondelsur5156 It is and it is not , Tails made it in Metropolis as a gift for Sonic. It was made in a rush , so he painted the wind streaks backwards and reads "Sonic F". But while Sonic didn't have a hanger or flight experience , and he didn't want to insult him. So after Sonic3&K , after Tails had gotten attached to the plane. He told him to take care of his plane for him.

@dragondelsur5156

Жыл бұрын

@@self-absorbed5269 Uh... no. The japanese manual already stated that the Tornado has always been Sonic's, all Tails did was repair it and add a rocket. "Sonic happened to discover the island during his usual carefree adventure. It was a small island with a pleasant green meadow. "Okay, I'm gonna rest for a while." Sonic's beloved Tornado slid into the shadow of the island, drawing a white arc with exhaust smoke-and as if following it, a suspicious glowing object disappeared on the other side of the island." (source: Sonic Retro)

Video was good until he talked shit about 3D Blast

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

We're all entitled to our opinions, of course. If you like 3D Blast, I don't have anything against you. And I don't really hate it myself. But it's like the Knuckles levels in Sonic Adventure, with no radar, more pieces to collect, and slippery controls. On top of the fixed, isometric camera making it harder for platforming. And since Flickies are tied to enemies, levels feel really empty, too. If you can vibe with that, fine. But I get bored around the halfway point. I'd much rather just listen to the music by itself.

A lot of your points sound a bit whiny in my personal opinion.

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

In what way? Were you happy with the original version of Sonic Origins? Are you saying you wouldn't be in favor of something that's better?

@TuniHillins

Жыл бұрын

@@BlazeHedgehog I'm saying all you did was whine and say that things won't happen. Also Origins is perfect. If you want more go play something else

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

I could say the same thing to you, kid. Nobody's forcing you to be here. If you think I'm wasting your time, you are free to leave whenever you want. I'm just as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours.

@TuniHillins

Жыл бұрын

@@BlazeHedgehog lol you're mad that someone disagrees with you yet you wasted half an hour of my life saying the same 3 complaints over and over 5 billion times

@BlazeHedgehog

Жыл бұрын

And you're wasting more of your life being here. It's my video, you're the one coming to me to have this interaction. Think of all the other fun things you could be doing right now. You could be hanging out with friends, going on dates, watching movies, playing games. But you're choosing to be here. With me. Arguing because I said something you don't agree with. Am I really the one who's mad, here? We didn't have to do ANY of this. You made a choice.

I just wish we could pick our main and support character separately without restriction :(