Neither is better. The most important thing is that more rake is better.

@Scalpers.united

4 жыл бұрын

ur not on daniel negreanu his channel,

game strategy: play GTO until start getting a really good hands and develop an intimidating stack, proceed to play exploitative responsibly.

I love it how years of dedicated playing and studying poker, made you into this guy on twitch and yt who explains stuff like this about poker so clear and also very entertaining :)! thanks bro.

The best approach is to ensure your game is close to GTO then after you've noticed your opponent's mistakes adjust to exploit them but not to such an extent that the adjustments are readily noticeable to your opponent.

@jdeanie2431

7 жыл бұрын

Dior F exactly well said

@IAmNextUp

6 жыл бұрын

Nice

@MultiBadger32

2 жыл бұрын

The right principle, of course. What makes life much more interesting is that we are miles away from knowing what GTO strategy is! I'm putting some emphasis on the 'O' there - we do have a growing body of useful theory; but much of it is contestable, and any two advanced players will take slightly different learnings from it in practice. There is then a huge question about execution in live competition. Being able to work with a computer to identify a theoretically sound strategy is one thing. Being able to remember and deploy it at the table is another. This is a huge issue in chess - even top 10 world players deviate markedly from known optimal play at the table. That keeps it all interesting!

I asked Chicago dipshit this question on one of his streams but told me to look it up like it's beneath him to explain what he keeps talking about, it's great having Doug in the poker community and on KZread giving a honest and reliable opinion. Loving this channel at the moment don't change the format, it works...

@jakewilliam15

7 жыл бұрын

because even he doesnt know what it means

@WayManlyWay

7 жыл бұрын

Who is this Mr. Chicago dipshit?

@TDASS281

6 жыл бұрын

@ him

@boboz2543

6 жыл бұрын

I feel that Joey trys to hide strat he doesnt want to educate fish. Being a fish kinda feels bad

Yo doug! I really appreciate your videos, I feel like you share actual valuable information unlike others. Keep up the awesomeness!

A lot of things got clearer. I`ve been watching these videos since autumn. I have to say I think I improved, at least the mindset of poker. Even though Dog Polk wont notice me, my understanding of poker wouldn`t be the same without all this content. Thank you

@IAmNextUp

6 жыл бұрын

Karigaila Samaitis I noticed you and my poker has improved as well

Thanks for this. One of the my favourite videos on the channel (along with explanation of ranges). I don't play (I tried and was terrible) but really enjoy listening to explanations and analysis.

We absolutely need to see a large-sample, live heads up match between Hellmuth and Doug. The world wants to see it!

@harleyskidmore7282

3 жыл бұрын

Nope we got Dnegs instead 😅

Hey doug been an upswing member for a couple months now and am really seeing improvement and getting better at the game, love the youtube too. Could u possibly consider making a module on upswing that goes over recommended stats overall and maybe for each position on poker tracker? I think that would really be helpful for a lot of ppl and would make sure we r implementing your strategy as effectively as possible. Thanks alot

Again a free video more valuable than anything RIO elite offers haha. Thanks Doug

@IAMSOUND99

7 жыл бұрын

really ? you are saying this as an elite member ? there are some big names there..

@furdiebant

7 жыл бұрын

+IAMSOUND99 haha just puffery there's no way to compare the two. Just spreading the love for what Doug is doing

LOL outro cringe, I was awaiting a closing joke LOL

@UpswingPoker

7 жыл бұрын

Our video editor is out of town, and it shows.

@BeenJamminable

7 жыл бұрын

No overlays either, tsk tsk tsk.

@zoo3708

7 жыл бұрын

Oh well it was a good video anyway.

@jackbauer555

7 жыл бұрын

i agree, that outro softened my erection

Thank you so much. You have helped my game immensely.

Great example of Hellmuth making his over the top adjustments that work against fish was an old PAD episode where he was stuck in the antichrist seat (Bob Safai on his left). The rest of the field was Phil Laak (obviously capable of questionable stuff, but also capable of very good play), Tom Dwan, Antonio Esfandiari, and Kenny Tran. Pretty clear who the person to pick on is. So Hellmuth started limping strong hands, a bunch. The other four players caught on quick to what he was doing and didn't give his limps action, but Bob (now on stone cold tilt) raised him up while holding 52s, and Phil proceeded to get stacks in by the turn with his KK that flopped a set. I still struggle a bit going too far off the deep end with exploitative play, unless I know I'm up against a complete drooler that won't counter me.

On another note, you always have the best artwork

sup Doug, its Blufferusky from wsop we've played a few times during your challenge. First just want to thank you ive been supporting myself playing online for 8 years and your videos and the lab have taken my game to the point were I feel as though im the favorite no matter who im up against hu. And by the way one question. Where can I grab acouple of those shirts youre wearing in this vid ?

Doug, Can you do a Polker Hands analysis of the hand between Sam Abernathy (AQs) versus Cate Hall (KK), Sam runs a huge bluff to win the pot but I thought it was a clear call for Cate.Thanks

Bro what to do in big ass deep stack home game tourneys where everyone calls pretty much anything preflop and the only other good player demands to sit to your left😂 I just play tight af and let the good hands rake but still it’s a weird confusing style of play

How can you be a good exploitative player if you do not know how a good fairly balanced strategy looks like? For example, if a player opens 85% of btns (lets say HU 100bb deep) and 3bets 20% from the big blind, how do you know how to adjust if you dont know what a good strategy looks like in the first place? Or if a player check-raises river quite often (15-20% like Liberatus seems to do), how do I exploit this without knowing how often a well thought of balanced strategy check-raises?

Have you guys considered calling it Downswing Poker?

@DaSoulSlasher

7 жыл бұрын

DA Maine true. I'd only do that if I had Andy Beal money

lol that ending was golden! xD

where did you get your t-shirt?

I didn't watch the whole video, but GTO5 is awesome! Glad to see a blackjack pro also enjoys gaming. You ever play red dead redemption? If you like GTO, it's just like that but with horses.

hey doug do you only have 3 t-shirts?

thanks

this video is tourture for us ADD students

Hey Doug in your article it says, 'Here, the correct ratio of value bets to bluffs as Hero is 2-to-1, meaning that Hero’s betting range should consist of 66% bluffs and 33% value bets.' Shouldn't it be Hero's betting range should consist of 33% bluffs and 66% value bets?

@tavis2205

7 жыл бұрын

Yes

I was just watching this video that you have Matt with subject of Mike Postle and you and Matt get into conversation of GTO. I have never heard of this because I don’t follow poker I was watching because of the allegedly cheating. My comment is about the GTO talk you kept saying that if you learn this foundation you should be a way better player and that foundation will never leave you if the game changes. Which Matt kept saying that the game evolves and for that reason GTO is not always the way to go. This is what I think in all gambling systems are to keep the emotion side of betting out of the decision. What I mean is if you play a system you have to stick to the basis of the your system and your system should only be used if you are willing to follow it no matter what. You don’t want to be jumping back and forth you don’t want to make your own decisions what you do want is to take you and your emotions out of the equation. I totally agree with this GTO thing every gambler needs to know the foundation of any game to be at least ahead of the bottom dwellers. I use a system on Baccarat that wins at 75% of the time and I only play this system I don’t make the decisions the system decides for me. I don’t win I do not blame myself I never say I should have bet the other way. Thanks for your videos I am watching a lot of them now in 2021 and I still don’t know anything about what happened with Mike Postle or the Stones situation

Can you give a GTO example pre flop and flop?

@rockabillly88

4 жыл бұрын

Gto preflop- fold AJ offsuit in the cutoff vs a 3bet from the big blind. Postflop - folding a flush draw on the turn out of position vs the preflop aggressor firing their second barrel due to negative implied odds.

"online players tend to be a lot better than these live pros..." O RLY. In all seriousness, theres an aspect you should look into. Joshua Foer talks about it in "Moonwalking with Einstein". He uses the example of "chicken sex-ers", and how they go to this 2 year long university for determining the sex of chicks because it's such a difficult and nuanced skill. The point being that it's incredibly difficult to quantify exactly what to look for when sex-ing the chicks, and they have to just go through months of training to just recognize the differences. The brain starts to offload much of the sex-ing to the unconscious parts, and can eventually become extremely fast and skilled. Stanislas Dehaene talks about it in "Consciousness and the Brain" too. My point is that someone like Phil Ivey, from playing hand after hand since his youth, has likely internalized many of the aspects of the game... and even though he probably does understand game theory quite well... he doesn't necessarily have to be able to. After playing for so long, the "right thing to do" in any given situation starts to become offloaded to the unconscious parts of the brain. This is also where the "feeling" that a player is bluffing comes from; since many good players pick up cues from people unconsciously, and it sets off red flags in their brain that the person may be bluffing.

@sk8rdaniel

7 жыл бұрын

I crush live and barely win online... it's pretty much a consensus that online is tougher

@tnisvvv2606

7 жыл бұрын

Awesome post ! Agreed !

@maximepepe4976

7 жыл бұрын

It is, if you can beat $0.01/0.02 online you can crush $1/2NL live.

@MelFinehout

7 жыл бұрын

+Maxime Pepe and if you can beat 200nl (1/2) online you'll be able to play almost any live line up. It's just true. I absolutely demolish 1/2 live. I break even at micro stakes online. (but I don't use a HUD either)

@DriveandThrive

6 жыл бұрын

Mel Finehout me too I beast everything

What an outro guys.

It surprised me that you said gto isnt figuered out yet. At least in short stack situations I was confident that there is mathematically "perfect" play. I gotta therefore admit that I'm using cheat sheets with pushing ranges as soon as I get short (M

@JeffZuccMusk

7 жыл бұрын

MrLolercoaster Exploitive play is the best at the micros. Sometimes you should almost never bluff vs fish. And poker would be "solved" if there was a 9-handed GTO style.

@JeffZuccMusk

7 жыл бұрын

MrLolercoaster I'm not trying to be clever here just testing am I right and trying the learn. If Doug answers maybe he can correct me

@henrykerins4787

7 жыл бұрын

Heads-up poker with fold or shove as the only two decisions has been solved. With a short stack in a tournament the game gets close to this simplified, solved scenario, so using those cheat sheets is a pretty solid approach.

@solidgod1093

6 жыл бұрын

Not 100% sure on this, but I think the cheat sheets you are using are decent, but are only GTO if the only 2 decisions for everyone are fold/shove. You could also do things like minraising or limping in certain situations as well when you are still close to 10BB (at least thats what I see in higher-stakes play - not that I play there myself).

If you know someone is playing a certain strategy, then the optimization problem is now constrained and the constrained optimal strategy, if any, may turn out to be another one than the global optimal strategy. Therefore, GTO includes exploitation too. There is a lot of vagueness in some definitions here, but some general conclusionas can be made. I am not a game theory specialist, but the existence itself of a non-loosing optimal strategy seems ensured by minmax theorems. The problem is that poker being a zero-sum game, optimal strategies can at most break even if the oponent is non-exploutable (aka also optimal). Thus, in fact, the only possible way to win money is to exploit, which, in turn, is also GTO.

This is a great analogy to MMA. There were two great fighters, Georges St. Pierre and Anderson Silva, who had totally different styles. St. Pierre would focus entirely on defending defeat, even passing up risky position changes on the ground to keep his opponent in control. Anderson Silva was a "cruel mirror," who would watch his opponent for a round, and then brutally exploit whatever holes were in his opponent's game, almost always through striking. Georges St. Pierre ultimately won more often, but Silva won by greater margins.

@liljackypaper

Жыл бұрын

GSP reminds me of Magnus Carlsen. Magnus just plays solid and grinds people down in the endgame. He's good enough to try and win big, but he doesn't need to

@EGarrett01

Жыл бұрын

@@liljackypaper Hmmm, if GSP were a chess player, he might also be compared to the champion from the 1960's, Tigran Petrosian. First put yourself beyond defeat, then find a way to win. But Magnus does assume that his opponent will play strong moves, even when they are low-rated in online casual play. Which is similar to that defensive style.

first 60 fps video?

Poker is easy bro you just gotta "Know when to hold'em, know when to fold'em..."

@jamesgrey13

7 жыл бұрын

"...know when to walk away! Know when to run!" "You never count your money, when you're sittin' at the table!" "There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done!"

@irosencrantz882

7 жыл бұрын

Hotsauce is Lethal... "Hi, I'm Kenny Roger's and this is Jackass!"

Is bryn Kenny that good?

thx

Ok someone tell me if this is not the correct evaluation of this video, based on the subject matter please. I think playing "Exploitative" poker is best when wading through huge fields of players in tournaments like the Main Event. GTO is definitely better when playing against tough Regs in tournaments or cash games. Obviously once you have ran deep in a big tournament, you should probably slip back towards the GTO more and more, especially nowadays with tourney fields being tougher and tougher. I think a lot of players in tough cash games, do whatever they can to get there opponents away from GTO play, but if you are calm and stick to it, it will pay dividends. When I think GTO, I think Eric Seidel, and the Exploitive guys, are definitely the Phil Hellmuth, and Doyle Brunson

If you really want to know about exploiting exploitative play, here's a cutting edge treatise on strategies for rock paper scissors: www.quora.com/What-are-some-strategies-for-winning-rock-paper-scissors/answer/Bram-Cohen

When I run well I win when I am not I lose.

what happened with that outro :D Well anyway gonna put to work these hours of study :) got my 1st "small" tournament 10£ buy-in :) hehe everybody at their pace

balancing out the signoff.... nice.

As a simplicity, GTO should be the base and your observations and tactics are the adjustments on top of the base.

i watched this video before Primitive Technology's new video. That tells something.

So why not call this a copycat strategy? Your opponent pretty much adjusts to your style of playing the more you two play until finally it just becomes a standard game of poker. Isn't this what it is or is it more?

Dope shirt

8:32 When a tournament is about to start and I want to end this freaking video real quick !! Lol

Nice to see Vanessa Selbst got a youtube channel

The answer is yes.

Berkey AK v Polk 89 A 7 7 9 9

Thats not Hellmuth on your wall is it

Doesn’t even exit. What is it

What would happen if a gto played another gto player heads up?

@TheSsketches

7 жыл бұрын

karl ali they would borg lose very little because of rake. Gto player do not exist jet however.

@MrZamnesia

7 жыл бұрын

They'd lose to the rake..

@FiroRosso

7 жыл бұрын

They would reach nirvana eventually

TY KID

doug i imagine that you in general did NOT play GTO when u were winning off those 5 players you showed us in your "how i won millions of dollars playing poker" video.

GTO does not consider the history of the hand so if you are trying to play GTO why would you bother attempting to put your opponent on a range? GTO only computes the solution that would loose the least in the long term.

why 97$ for first month?

Doug could you do huge favor for your subscribers? if yes, please, take videos from you friend Ryan Fee and explain them) i know his is a pretty good player but to explain things his is worse one) Tnx

Hey Doug: what is GTO rock, paper, scissors? Paper, right?

@andreialexandruparfeni7129

7 жыл бұрын

CNCTEMATIC Random choices.

@n8style

7 жыл бұрын

nah it's a mix of rock and paper, then once in a while throw in a scissors

@andreialexandruparfeni7129

7 жыл бұрын

nabiddy badiddy Nah, it's random choices.

@CNCTEMATIC

7 жыл бұрын

Its not random. There are studies that show that a large % of the population go the same way. It was on QI. Stephen Fry was kicking ass with it. I just can't remember! I think it was either "most people go for rock, so go paper" or, on reflection, I think more likely it was "most people THINK most people go for rock, so they go paper, so go scissors". So I think scissors. After one time, you're into attempts at exploitative play, to which the best response is probably random.

@LogicL47

7 жыл бұрын

I saw a study years ago that said a larger margin of ppl throw scissors first because it's the last thing said in the order. Throwing rock first is +ev

I'm having trouble with a fish who minbet donks 100% and has figured out a pretty decent strategy for it. He can minbet, 3bet or minbet/shove on any street and I can't figure out what his range is. Should I just fold when he bets 10% pot and wait for a hand? I just keep getting fucked vs him.

@Sethbowman3

7 жыл бұрын

Fold pre

@nealwu9242

7 жыл бұрын

Why is min-betting difficult to deal with? You should just treat it as essentially a check. The only difference is that your c-bet (or c-raise in this case) would become a bit larger in order to offer similar pot odds as if he checked.

@FiroRosso

7 жыл бұрын

I can't give you an exact answer without knowing the textures in which he makes certain plays. Remember that to make a good hand in poker is very tough, so if he's taking very aggresive line, most of the time he will have maginal hands ranging from weak top pairs to draws. What I would do in this situation is to never bluff without decent equity and to take the good odds his min bet is giving me with my weak draws like overcards, shitty gutshots and backdoors.

@philhellmuff

7 жыл бұрын

It's obviously easy when you have a hand but when you flop nothing and he can have anything with random frequencies. I usually just end up calling twice and raising river

@FiroRosso

7 жыл бұрын

Don't tilt, just let him have it. He's the one losing inthe long term.

1 million respect points for whoever can tell me what the four books are over his right shoulder.

o wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it "gtb - game theory balanced".. I never understood that, because if it's Game Theory Optimal, then taking the exploitative line is actually GTO, because it's the highest possible EV you can achieve for the given decision, thus it is optimal from a game theory point. What you are saying basically is that GTO is some sort of Nash equilibrium, which if always applied, won't be GTO, because you would have won more money by doing elsething. Also I notice that you are refering to GTO in a defensive way, in which case I still wouldn't dare call it game theory optimal, because it cannot be opimal unless you are playing against exact same strategy. So as you said - noone know yet what the fuck GTO is and no wonder, because there are many fallacies in the way that the term is being projected. GTO as an equilibrium would occur naturally if 2 opponents (for the sake of simplicity) with perfect understanding of poker theory, battle heads up until they intuitively adjust up to a point where their both strategy becomes exactly the same, at which point deriving from it would make them to lose money, but only because your opponent is playing perfectly. Given the complexity of poker and all the variables , it would be nearly impossible to tell if your opponent is playing perfectly, unless you manage to see hundreds of showdowns for each and every possible line which won't happen in noones life even in limit games and even less in any for of pot or no limit poker. So other then from a pure philosophical pov it is a waste of time not only because of it's complexity, but also because of little real life use at least at the given moment in time. Sorry have missed most of the video while writing this, will watch it again ;D

@MelFinehout

7 жыл бұрын

I don't think you're taking the volume and accuracy of recording in online play. It isn't uncommon for players to play tens of thousands of hands with one another and every single play is recorded and can be analyzed in ways you'd never imagine. Thats why online players balance so much. They have to. In live play, by the time you got enough data to be accurate it would be months or years later.

@simonasvaitiekunas5326

7 жыл бұрын

It's a definition, volume doesn't matter there. You can assume that sample size is infinite though if it makes you happier.

@ACooper194

7 жыл бұрын

The argument for playing GTO (or trying to) is that since you don't know how close your opponent is to playing optimally until you observe them play over a huge sample, the strategy that runs the least risk of losing a ton of money to someone better than you or who happens to exploit your strategy is for you to play as optimally and balanced as possible. You're right that you don't know how balanced your opponent's play is, but in the absence of complete information, do you try to take advantage of a possibly illusory/anomalous pattern of gameplay in a small sample or do you try to play in such a way that you reduce the ability of an opponent to take advantage of leaks in your strategy.

@MelFinehout

7 жыл бұрын

No information is perfect information. It also doesn't have to be perfect to be useful. If I sit down to play 2/5 and I am 3 bet on my first hand I could say the guy is "an unknown". But, I know at least that he's playing 2/5 live poker. I can see his age range. I can see his physiology. I can see his clothes. I can see how he stacks and handles his chips. So, if you're GTO and a drunk guy sits down and litterally goes all in every hand for 6 hands in a row, you better make sure you're balanced, right? And this range should be the exact same range you call from a guy you've watched open limp AK and limp behind with QQ and only flat call with KK pre. Right? C'mon. It's not that I don't think the idea has its place. At Doug's level it definitely does. But it's a weird argument to *not* exploit someone if you can. I don't get it. Why be GTO? Because if you're not someone could exploit you? But why would they want to do that? And really, why should you care if they exploit you? It's obvious and silly, rhetorical questioning. But the answer is instructive. Because they will win and you will lose money. But, it isn't good to do? I really don't get it. I side with Alec Torelli on this point. He has an excellent video on this. I think a lot of it comes from playing live where you can win 10bb/hr but only by exploiting. Playing GTO at live low-mid stakes would be so ridiculous.

@montydean9712

7 жыл бұрын

You are only going to get enough hands to come to a Nash equilibrium with bots playing millions and millions of hands. Only heads up has been solved to my knowledge.

SCOT SCOT SCOT Pretty Sweet right?!

Poker is a zero sum game (someone has to lose in order for you to win). Is it true that if you play perfect GTO in the long run, since your opponent is indifferent between either options, you would tie your opponent and just lose money on rake? I don't see how your opponent can be indifferent between their options and still have all options be favorable to you.

Bankrollchallenge?^^

Winners don't do GTO

I think i'm actually worse at poker after watching this video.

There's no substitute for good old table selection skills. Then you don't need GTO because I'm looking for whales anyway. I insta leave the table if people are acting a bit too rationally. Bum hunting 101. I learned this back in '08 and it's been profitable ever since.

@IAmNextUp

6 жыл бұрын

Dreamworld Isolation That is a great strategy

@futurez12

5 жыл бұрын

That might be a good micro cash game strategy, but if you ever want to play higher it just won't cut it. What are you going to do when there are only a few fish in the pool and a ton of sharks all competing for them? Run back to micros? You'll be stuck there forever.

Yin Yang

hey its me duggie polk bazam huehuehueheahh XD

Sir_donald wins like a 9bb/100 on nl500 zoom whit an extreme exploitative style.

why HASN'T GTO been solved? Surely there's someone good enough at math to do it? Or are there just too many variables and possible scenarios? Why can't a bot just figure out on the spot what the correct betting ratio is, then we can just play on the internet and have the bot figure out the math on the spot and then we input the correct bet size

@markross699

7 жыл бұрын

BishTV Full ring, no limited is too complex to be solved with today's computing power. Some folks may have just solved heads up limit poker, but we're still several computer generations (at least) away from solving full ring, no limit. There's just too many variables in every action. The decision tree isn't infinite, but its much larger than can be solved by computers or people today.

@ianhoward1518

7 жыл бұрын

In terms of complexity, poker>go>chess. Chess still hasn't been solved, so poker GTO is a loooooooooooooong way away.

@Sudstah

7 жыл бұрын

Mark Ross full ring is less complex then heads up and 6 max

@ribletroblet

7 жыл бұрын

Sudstah full ring less complex? you sure? there's multiway pots that would open up thousands more potential scenarios. are you saying this simply because you play fewer hand types in full ring and all hands heads up?

bazam

Do we really think phil is good?

Online players are shit in live games in my experience. Without thousands of hand histories and computer programs to give them stats on the other players they are out of their element and have to make their own decisions.

@tipsy09

7 жыл бұрын

also one thing i thought about recently is that....isn't it possible for a live player to learn more in 10K hands than an online player in 10K hands. i mean sometimes you can go on auto-pilot in 10K hands and not learn anything or not learn how to apply things quick enough. and maybe in 10K live hands, there is ample opportunity to reflect on hands, especially in between hands, whereas online it's so quick and you can just be pushing buttons. you know what i'm trying to say?

@futurez12

5 жыл бұрын

@@tipsy09 10k hands? You can potentially play 30k hands in a single day online! How long would it take a live player to do that? That's the major difference, there's no live player on the planet who has played millions and millions of hands. There are some online players who'll play more hands in a few months than live pros will play lifetime. You can't compete with that. With that much volume, the brain will learn, trust me. It's not a coincidence that online games quickly started to get much tougher soon after Zoom/Fast Forward/Rush poker came out.

@tipsy09

5 жыл бұрын

@@futurez12 you just built a massive scarecrow out of what i said lol

@tipsy09

5 жыл бұрын

@@futurez12 i'm saying the brain wont learn

Harry Haxton lmao

GTO if youre playing against pros. Exploitative if youre playing against medium-weak players.

He's doesn't know what is GTO. No one knows. They only boast knowing gto in order to gain some fear and fold equity.

I'm a Doug fan, but GTO in live poker is the biggest bunch of bullshit ever Let it be known that the great poker mind John Smith was the first to point out that GTO is the Emperor's New Clothes

@pokerandphilosophy8328

5 жыл бұрын

Sure. Math is bull. It's not true that if you are unbalanced you lay yourself open to exploitation. Also, 2+2=5.

can't focus cause of the shiny nose

You think you're better than Phil Hellmuth? How many WSOP bracelets do you have, Doug? That's what I thought!

@andreialexandruparfeni7129

7 жыл бұрын

Heart and Troll Bracelets don't mean anything in this spot. Phil was ahead of his time decades ago, but now he isn't that good.

@heartandtroll9993

7 жыл бұрын

He has more bracelets than Doug. Pretty clear Hellmuth's one of the best in history, if not the best.

@andreialexandruparfeni7129

7 жыл бұрын

Heart and Troll No question about that, however he hasn't adjusted well to the new game. Guys like Doyle Brunson have.

@heartandtroll9993

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Doyle's a beast.

Poker is easy winning poker isn’t

Just get to the point...

ya ruined poker with this hole gto crap and roi.

*angry pleb voice* DOUG DOESNT KNOW GTO BECAUSE NOBODY CAN KNOW GTO

@thebrownlow

5 жыл бұрын

he actually says that you peanut; well picked up

GTO is bullshit. It cannot be used in a game of unknowns which poker is. For GTO to work you have to know what cards the villains play every hand to know their tendencies.. The problem is, most players never show their cards so you never know their range unless there is a showdown. Also, when a good player adjusts his style, your analysis of his tendencies will be wrong. The better players use poition, situation, and hand reading skills, They play the opponent without all the fancy math theory. You really think Scotty Nguyen, or Phil Laak use GTO? Get real.

@futurez12

5 жыл бұрын

Did watch watch the video? Those old live pros you mentioned would all get destroyed in the long run vs GTO. Their "hand reading skills" wouldn't matter Vs someone with a balanced GTO strategy. They exploit unbalanced fish, that is all. That is exactly what they've done their whole careers. The reason you can't beat a good GTO strategy is because it's as close as it gets to unexploitable.