Thanks Juan. Great video. For future reference if you want to slowly go through a video you can use "." (period) to go forward 1 frame and "," to go back one frame. Useful for this type of analysis.

@Allan-

Ай бұрын

It does too. I also did not know that. Thanks @nate7803

@terraholdingco

Ай бұрын

Awesome! I didn't know that either! Thanks for that tip!

@kari53

Ай бұрын

You are the man, Nate!

@keefr128

Ай бұрын

I already knew this, but I had forgotten it. Thank you for the reminder.

@roberthevern6169

Ай бұрын

I guess viewing on my Roku TV precludes such handy navigation!? Oh, well...

thanks for using my footage!!

@donc9751

Ай бұрын

Great video!!! Thank God it didn't turn out much worse!!!

If you want to know more about the guy behind Polaris Dawn there’s a Netflix documentary called ‘Countdown’ with some great footage of Jared flying his MiG 29. He’s going to be first private individual to do a space walk later this year.

@toadelevator

Ай бұрын

Walk Safe Jared

@hadrianopolis1968

Ай бұрын

Hello Scott ! 💫

@notreallyme425

Ай бұрын

@@hadrianopolis1968you mean “Hullooow Scott!”

@patrickunderwood5662

Ай бұрын

Wow. Of course always want good outcomes but in this case, came within a hair of ending the Polaris program and killing a man who has not only advanced private spaceflight but has also raised hundreds of millions of dollars for kids’ cancer treatments and research, and intends to raise a lot more. Glad everyone’s okay.

@techsolutions8237

Ай бұрын

So... I'm guessing tip tanks are dry during flight demonstrations?

"How close do you fly to each other?" "Negative one inch."

I love these air shows so much but I wish they would stop putting the lives of these pilots in danger with some of these close maneuvers …as a fan I am just as happy to see them do non risky maneuvers because we love our pilots so much

As much as I love them, it's hard not to start feeling like Air Shows are simply too dangerous, too much risk.

@Lando62

Ай бұрын

Life is full of dangers. If safety is your paramount concern you may live a long, long time....but just before you die you will realize you have been dead for a long time.

I saw them at Sun N Fun last month. Beautiful formations and aircraft. Glad everyone is ok and will all fly again.

@charlesfaure1189

Ай бұрын

One of them might not. Somebody fouled up here.

@scottcol23

Ай бұрын

@@charlesfaure1189 It's a civilian organization. So they will likely fly again. But that jet will need some rather expensive repairs.

When airshows go right, they're great. When they go wrong, its horrible. This was very close to going bad

@bradsanders407

Ай бұрын

How much time and research went into coming up with such a profound and insightful conclusion? May I have your permission to use your findings in an upcoming term paper I'm doing on airshows?

@bobqzzi

Ай бұрын

Honestly, don't think the upside is remotely worth the possible downsides.

@ClausB252

Ай бұрын

When apostrophes go wrong, it's horrible.

@MajorCaliber

Ай бұрын

@@bradsanders407 4/5 for Snark Factor! 🤣🤣🤣🤣😁

@fkcoolers2669

Ай бұрын

@@bradsanders407 imagine wanting to be edgy online in 2024... pretty embarrassing

Never a good idea to touch tips. Glad everyone was okay!

@Trialnerror

Ай бұрын

I see what you did there, and can't disagree

@MeppyMan

Ай бұрын

Guess it depends 😂

@--SPQR--

Ай бұрын

That's a very nice tip. So nice you wish you could touch it

@Georgeconna32

Ай бұрын

good advice.....

@NFlight

Ай бұрын

What if it's just the tip?

This was as close as close calls get. Inches from disaster.

@beargillium2369

Ай бұрын

zero inches...

I don't need planes to fly this closed to make me happy. Stop.

@--SPQR--

Ай бұрын

Oh you thought they were doing that for us? Brother.

@billjamison2877

Ай бұрын

NO!

Juan, isn’t the no. 4 usually in a step down position behind the lead no 1 to avoid engine exhaust and show smoke for improved visibility? My cousin Capt Howard Tarbet followed my Dad into the RCAF (I couldn’t ☹️) and he flew no. 7 with the Snowbirds in 1986/87. Far outboard position and difficult to fly. He had a teammate lose a wingtip tank with a wee bump with another teammate’s wingtip while flying cross country to their next show. No aircraft went down and all were able to land safely. The Snowbirds are a superb demonstration team with 9 aircraft in close, really close formation. Glad to hear all Ghost team members land safely. Pushing the envelope is what these demonstration pilots do and rarely accidents happen. The important th😅ng is to analyze what happen, and learn from it.

Those guy's are some of the best! It goes to show you how quick things can happen! Nice recovery, very professional! Live and learn! Just glad no injuries or major damage!

@charlesfaure1189

Ай бұрын

Never talk about pilots being the best right after at least one of them has fouled up.

@joncox9719

Ай бұрын

@@charlesfaure1189 Even the best make mistakes!

@calci2679

Ай бұрын

@@charlesfaure1189 everyone makes mistakes. all it takes is one. I think of Richard McSpadden. He was an excellent pilot but one bad flight (flown by him and another pilot) cost him his life. Does not negate his talent.

Disaster averted for sure. Great reactions by the pilots to get out of the formation and get clear. Thanks Juan!

Maybe they should take that out of the airshow.

I have just spent ten minutes with Google and Bing trying to figure out what the heck the "Ghost Squadron" is. I can't tell which is more annoying - AI or private spaceflight ventures. Glad nobody died.

Near Death Experience.

@nigelh3253

Ай бұрын

Absolutely. With four planes so close together, this could have been a terrible pile up.

Nice to see they didn't do anything more than that. Remember when those two jets touched during one of the heats at Reno a few years ago? That happened so fast, if you blinked you missed it. Thankfully nobody was hurt that time either.

Nice coverage Juan!

I love it when you get to report on good endings. Best Regards.

Glad they're all good. Have seen them a few times they put on a really good show

Juan, you can step through the frames on KZread with the period and comma keys. Much better than clicking with the mouse.

thanks Juan, always the best videos❤

My wife was on a southwest flight the week before last and has video of what I understand is a canoe fairing wobbling in the airstream. This looks just like the part reported missing today from a United 737-800.

@blancolirio

Ай бұрын

Thanks Dan!

you can use keyboard keys comma , and period . while a youtube video is paused to move one frame at a time back and forward, better than using space i think

Great video - thanks!

Juan always does a great job. Thx.

Wow,that was indeed close. Amazing footage Juan.

thanks

Civilian pilots flying military jets equiped with ejection seats.That sounds familiar. It can't happen until it does happen. The accident at the Thunder Over Michigan accident should have put an end to this insanity. The credibility of the entire Airshow community in regards to vetting and hiring these acts is in question. Too many fatal accidents last year and now this situation which could have been a catastrophe.

@spleisher

Ай бұрын

I take issue with your “civilian pilots flying military jets….” comment. It’s just not accurate. You specifically mentioned the MiG-23 crash in Michigan. The owner and pilot of that aircraft was Dan Filer. Dan was a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy and flew A-6’s from carriers. His back-seater was Air Force. Do you know anything about the Ghost Squadron pilots? I don’t know much about the guys flying the L-39’s, but I know Jared Isaacman’s back-seater in the MiG-29 was a career F-18 guy. I’ve met all 4 of the pilots I just mentioned.

Just shows how much precision goes into flying these shows

Tip: use the . and , keys (if you’re european) or keys (if you’re american) on your keyboard to skip a youtube video frame by frame.

@jhsevs

Ай бұрын

And holding shift while pressing those keys, speeds up/slows down the video.

Good job, lot happened extremely fast. Glad they pullrd the right manuvers without really thinking about it . All too often that isn't the case as the damage is too servere. Seems No. 4 almost had the canopy up in the exhaust. Hard to tell but damn close to death. Fortunate to live to discuss it

Superb situational awareness and spectacular avoidance skills! It'll be interesting if there's a report on details. Thank you, sir!

I always have wondered the purpose of being so tight. Why risk lives for entertainment? Spread out a bit and its still an amazing spectacle.

@clarencegreen3071

Ай бұрын

Same here. One of the Valkyries crashed in 1966 because of a mid-air while doing a photo shoot. Joe Walker and the copilot of the Valkyrie were killed. Totally unnecessary, IMO.

Not hugely relevent, but surely the number 2 is on therightofthe formation and thr bnumber3 on the left? The inside(of a turn ) wingman sliding in towards the box ac is quite common and if he is also a bit low ( which makes it easier for him to see the leader), he can touch the boxman.

Thank you, keep working.

Great video

Thank you Captain Jaun Brown

I was at the Saturday show. Great performance!

Good to hear that the pilots all landed safely.

Good work Juan. Anyone else see it a strange coincidence Juan Guthmiller suddenly deleted his video of his dubious L39 formation full of poor airmanship flying head down whilst in close number two. Lose objects all over the cockpit yet the seats marked culminating with a run in and break at a civil airport aligned with the in correct runway the same day Juan posted this.

Sent here from “What’s going on in shipping “. I’ve only heard the first 10 seconds about “narrowly avoiding disaster “ and it’s a great start

Thank you FROG RAIL FANNING.

In 2021 the Finnish Air Force air acrobatics team ”Midnight Hawks” were practicing when two Hawks touched wing-tips mid-air. Everyone landed safe and there were only slight scratches on the aircraft.

@Arturo4586

Ай бұрын

Called exchange paint

I was at the Airshow both Saturday and sunday ..Didn't see the incident but noticed they didn't finish their routine and that all the L-39s flew away separately. Funny enough when the T-birds did their demonstration at one point the #3 jet broke away from the diamond formation and took a little while to rejoin .

Thankfully no fatalities Juan ,safe flights mate,🙏🙏👋👏👏👍🇦🇺

Close quarters, Military flying maneuvers in civilian air show settings. What could possibly go wrong.

If you want actual frame by frame advance forward and backwards use the keys

To close for missile ...and to close for the gun too!! I switch wing !

@joshuabessire9169

Ай бұрын

"FOX JET-Alpha!"

@chrisbartolo4308

Ай бұрын

Too

From what I saw, #2 hit the lead and not #4. #4 is set lower in the formation than #2 and #3. Usually in a diamond formation, when doing a topside pass infront of the crowd, 4 is shifted over a bit so when the diamond is seen from the top, it still looks symmetrical to the crowd.

And that is why formation flying is such a PITA. And a good 'pucker factor' for pilots.

Trading paint... phew! That will fill the shorts. Glad it worked out

Having seen it I figured the tip tank contacted the #1 elevator turning it up causing the #1 to nose up and out avoiding what could of ended up being worse if it contacted elsewhere.

Good eye from Blancolirio. This should be good reminder of dangers of close formation flying. Who knows, they may try next the Kolvoord Starburst with five Dragons...

Hi Juan just a tip for slow motion replay on KZread, the video can be ffw or rwd frame by frame using > or < on your keyboard after pausing the video with spacebar. Hope this helps. Thanks for sharing!

@wadepatton2433

Ай бұрын

One can also use youtube enhancer for more controls of playback. Allows variable playback speeds from as low as .01x to 200+. I keep mine on .05 increment for adjusting things finely.

@eamonnw

Ай бұрын

its comma and period , and .

@TheHuesSciTech

Ай бұрын

It's comma and period, not . If people followed your instructions literally they'd actually press

JUAN! In KZread, you can press the comma (,) or period (.) keys to go backwards on forwards a single frame in the video, respectively. No need to rapidly, skilfully double-click the play button to advance a little bit in the video, possibly skipping frames or losing your place.

This was sooo close to being a tragic disaster!!! Thank God they all were able to excape safely with all landing safe!!! I bet that got their attention level maxed out!

Hope we can hear more details about this incident.

Closer than close

FYI You can jog KZread videos frame by frame on your PC by pressing the period or comma.

Thanks for posting this Juan. That was close

Snivilians pulled it off‼️ Amazing‼️

The guys flying these L-39s (and Alpha Jets and the MiG) are all very good friends. Some are former USAF, some are former USN, a couple have flown with the Thunderbirds, and one's already been up in space. Many have flown together in 2011-2012 as the Heavy Metal Jet Team, which became the Black Diamond Jet Team. They're absolute professionals and while I do text back and forth with a few of them on a semi-regular basis - and have done so since the date the video was shot - out of respect I have not asked about this, any investigation(s), or if they'll still be at Oshkosh, Atlantic City, or NAS Oceana later this year.

I saw them fly in Oshkosh, they put on a nice performance.

#2 should be more forward

Should make for an interesting post show debrief. Would be good if Isaacman informs publicly what is going to be put in place to prevent a re-occurence. More training/more formation hours might be a good start plus more separation.

They don’t need to pretend to be the Blue Angels or Thunderbirds, unless they’re willing to commit full-time to it the way they do. This is a perfect example of why.

@bradsanders407

Ай бұрын

Because only the military can train pilots to fly like this? I believe it was Juan who said the jets are flying themselves anyhow. Video of one of the thunderbird pilots going inverted while his arms are resting on either side of the cockpit then giving double birds while the jet is maneuvering is evidence of this.

@RetreadPhoto

Ай бұрын

@@bradsanders407 only the military can afford (thanks to all of us) the substantial amount of hardware, training, maintenance, support, logistics, and safety management system that makes such an endeavor safe. Most of the random L-39 pilot and Maverick wannabes are just accidents waiting to happen, IMHO. I submit that they’ll experience more accidents, faster than the pros. Time will tell. Non full-time professionals should plan for less risky separation and less risky maneuvers. No need to hang almost wingtip to wingtip. Crashes aren’t crowd-pleasing.

I checked their website and saw very little about the Pilots and their Experience.

@bradsanders407

Ай бұрын

Oh they just sell raffle tickets pre-show and the winners get to fly the show. So some may very well have been in the seat for the first time ever. Also they operate under a don't ask don't tell policy in regards to experience. So unless the people involved feel like offering up the information there's no way to find out.

@sanfranciscobay

Ай бұрын

@@bradsanders407 I believe the Patriot Jet Team in Byron CA has a detailed experience list of their Pilots.

Great job pilots for getting the birds down safely.

To change speed of playback using keyboard press Shift to increase playback speed.

I was there with my son and I accidentally yelled a profanity when I saw this. Don't think most others noticed the emergency formation breakaway so I looked like a psycho yelling the f bomb

Can't get any closer than that, to disaster 😲 Hats off to the pilots to recover from that tho

Tip: You can use the angle-bracket (comma and period) keys to scan frame-by-frame in youtube videos.

aaaaand - one more reason I'll never do aerobatics again or fly in formation. Those days are over. It was great fun while it lasted though!

A jet driver's diamond formation understatement of the day..' 2, you're a little too close'...high consequences, indeed..

Good thing these Albatrosses have the wingtip fuel tanks. And also are overbuilt as is known. Let them roar, little buggers!

On youtube, the comma key (to the right of m) and the full stop key (to the right of the comma key) can be used to go backward and forward by single frames, no need to try to catch the exact frame using pause-unpause using a mouse.

I got great photos of Saturday’s show, u could tell they were giving the mig plenty of space thru the routine “getting the rust knocked off”. I was very excited to see the Fulcrum fly. Who would’ve thunk MiG29 in a friendly sky.

Juan, do you think more of these types of close calls and accidents are happening than before? Or are we simply being exposed to them more often with social media and video cameras everywhere? I’m happy that this one was just close call and everyone got home safe.

Thank you! Hopefully we do see something about this. Always learn good stuff from your presentations.

@GamingWithMaddog

Ай бұрын

Oh please he's not a investigator he's Just some KZreadr who knows nothing about accident investigation it will be investigated by someone

@scottjuhnke6825

Ай бұрын

@@GamingWithMaddog I believe you have misinterpreted my comment.

If you look at 0:15 the right tip tank of the #2 jet clearly impacts the the lead jet (#1) elevator on the way up (#2 rolling left) as one or two frames later a change in the pitch of the lead jet can be seen looking at the lead jet's engine exhaust. The lead jet pitches up. The tip tank then contacts the lead jet a second time (#2 rolling right) going down and sustains the final damage. To me, either the lead jet pilot felt the first hit on the elevator /horizonal stab and pulled up or it deflected the stab tail end up resulting in the pitch up. At least from what I see. Cheers

A definite Flight-Suit-Stainer, that one!

@paulsherman51

Ай бұрын

I feel bad for the crew who cleans and prepares the cockpit.

Yeeeikes!

Not important, but Thumbnail image says "April" instead of "May" Very glad the pilots were skilled enough to handle the bump and come out alive. Best possible result: everyone ok.

@VoxOptimatium

Ай бұрын

Good catch. It appears Juan corrected it to May.

I would love to have been a fly on the, uh, wall on the ramp after that one. Bet the air was blue.

Two thumbs up! As always nice, objective report. Thanks Juan, really appreciate it. I would like to note the difference in this kind of incidents, as well as in TPL environment, to the Private (Amateurish?) world. I have the impression that the main difference is preparation. Preparation in the sense of awareness: 1) understanding of the abstract concepts involved (in no way it means subjective). 2) development of the required skills to bring into real world actions derived from the concepts. 3) demonstration of the knowledge and skills. In the Private Aviation range in the best case this Preparation is superficial, or it is defective. This kind of the image seen a few days ago in video of some guy in an oil drill rig manipulating and hydraulic wrench to break a drilling string, all him splashed in crude and drilling mud, wearing a cowboy hat and boots, a jumper without shirt. And an expression of being a 'real man'. That's beyond stupid. If I were the owner of this rig, I would immediately stop drilling operations, get this guy out the platform, and fire the three levels up from this man. There are changes to be made in the Private Aviation sector, instead of complaining how insurance premiums are going up, and at the same time any one with a faulty engine sees it normal to land on a highway full of cars. Oh, Juan please is it possible to you contact gjspaini at the google com?

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

Ай бұрын

@guidospaini7339 My main impression has been the same for years. Two thumbs down. An unconscionable huge waste of taxpayer money ~ while we shamelessly have thousands of citizens homeless in all our city streets. Call your Representative and tell him/her you want these anachronistic "joyrides for flyboys" at taxpayer expense consigned to the dustbin of history.👎

@blancolirio

Ай бұрын

blancolirio@yahoo.com

I OBSERVED THE ( # 2 received two strikes the ruder it looks damaged and the tip fuel tank ) VERY SCARRY SITUATION. SALUDOS AVIATOR

Bet they had good grips on the seat cushions!

Hi Blan, you can use the period and comma keys to go frame by frame in a KZread video.

I'd say #4 went #2

As always thank you Juan, but do we have any pictures when the aircraft were on the ground after the event?

@blancolirio

Ай бұрын

nope. Not yet...

Makes me think of Reno ...never did see a vid on it.

The best air show stuff I've seen are solo. I've seen a GEE BEE do a show and a sail plane also. They were great. Also I saw a F15 come off the end of the runway in Everett WA Paine field when I was getting off work back in 93 when the gear was up it turned straight up and went out of sight. That was'nt a show. It was to me!!

@j_taylor

Ай бұрын

I stepped outside one day as F-18s were practicing for an air show. One did a high power low pass over the office building and my lizard brain died. Something about that rumble.... I love air shows, but I've never had another experience as intense as just being in the right place during that practice run. Kind of like your F-15 maybe.

@wadepatton2433

Ай бұрын

A pair of MH-53's flew low over me, exactly over me at a few hundred feet the other day. Felt like a show. I was at work--next to the old air base.

Thunderbirds put on an uneventful show? I know what he means, but that's not the greatest choice of words. The Thunderbirds are always an incredible event, a spectacular show! They've been my favorite team since I was a lil bitty boy. (Props to the Snowbirds!) I don't mean to be critical so much as I wanna give a huge shout out to the mighty T-birds.

At 25 seconds in I can only assume such a manuever was practiced and prepared for. All pilots knew which way to escape. Top airmanship.

FYI, you can use the , and . keys to actually scan frame-by-frame instead of clicking.

I've spent a season doing this type of display flying. It appears to me, although it is difficult to be sure with parallax, that there is probably no initial contact between #2. The L39's horizontal stab is above the wing line, so that if aircraft are reasonably 'in plane' #4's eye position would be above #2's right tip to have #4 left wing tiptank to #2 right stab contact. Of course, we can't be sure, but it may be that #2 gets a bit shallow [vertical reference] and gets caught by #1's wingtip vortex causing an uncontrollable roll to the left with subsequent contact. This would be in #4's direct line of sight, who by commencing a controlled bugout to the right which causes his/her's left tiptank to enter Lead's efflux. Hopefully we'll find out - thanks Juan!

Juan, it looks like the #2 right tip tank touches the nose of the #4 aircraft. I think the perspective from the camera is throwing the positions off and makes it look different. Parallax or what not. Cheers!

Glad it was just the tip.

@edstuff1198

Ай бұрын

Hey, that's what Stormy Daniels said!