Is displaying the Confederate Battle Flag more hate or heritage these days?

@banyasbeansofficial6484

2 жыл бұрын

Hate.

@osberswgaming

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, the people doing it probably think it’s more heritage

@banyasbeansofficial6484

2 жыл бұрын

@@osberswgaming I think they know it’s hate, but also think it’s heritage, and they try to disguise the hate with heritage.

@jimothysmusic7658

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, definitely hate.

@catfood1788

2 жыл бұрын

A heritage of hate

BEAT ON THE STREET

@abeIincoIn

2 жыл бұрын

hi

@gupoll

2 жыл бұрын

Kids on the beat, kids on the street, beat kids beat kids

@MrGiygas1

2 жыл бұрын

Wonder Showzen reference?

@gupoll

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrGiygas1 factual

@billrobertjoe

2 жыл бұрын

mumkey...

I live in ohio, and people be like "it's about our heritage. It's our southern pride." And I'm like "bitch we're 3 hours from Canada. Nothing about that is southern"

@badwolf9956

2 жыл бұрын

I see them in Pennsylvania lmao

@cjkavy2299

2 жыл бұрын

I see em in WNY where we literally 20 minutes from Canada.

@LB-iw3on

2 жыл бұрын

@@badwolf9956 Rural PA thinkin' they were part of the confederacy. Nah my homie, the Commonwealth opposed slavery.

@in_ur_moms_house

2 жыл бұрын

Canadian here, and you do see the occasional person having one in their window or on their car. In the 80's and 90's it was much more prevalent, you'd even see confused native gangs waving it...

@ChargingStag

2 жыл бұрын

Were the people Southerners who moved up North though? That would be my assumption, and would make perfect sense if so.

I am from India and I once saw this flag on a BEDSHEET lol I don't think the guys using it knew what it was though.

@willymassey8273

Ай бұрын

Lmao guys? As in plural of dudes? Yep safe to say if a couple of Indian men were using the Confederate Battle Flag bed sheet, they either didn't know what it was, or were into some hardcore fantasy roleplay.

@alexthedemon2203

Ай бұрын

@@willymassey8273 Thats wild

@BasedRichardNixon

21 күн бұрын

@@willymassey8273bro your brain got fried by the Hub because wtf

@Cattus_Supreme

3 күн бұрын

also, in the movie Fukrey, theres a song called Ambarsariya, where the guy has a confederate flag on the side of his shirt lmaoo.

I moved to a small town in PA, and I see that flag more often than I did when I was living in NC. I was mocked and rejected for being a “Yankee” as a kid in NC. I’ve often wondered how those same people would feel about a bunch of rural Pennsylvanians rocking the “southern pride / heritage” flag. It HAS to mean something else. Why would these people in Topton, PA fly it if it didn’t?

@alex-rs1ed

Жыл бұрын

it stands for rebellion.

@paulmannino529

Жыл бұрын

@@alex-rs1ed Against what?

@alex-rs1ed

Жыл бұрын

@@paulmannino529 against anything really for most of us we rebel against the system because of how crooked they are

@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295

10 ай бұрын

I am from PA and their are more rebel flags here than where I lived in Virginia. The same ppl who fly them also brag about having been in the same PA town for 300 years too, so they are not southern, just entitled good old boys who love nepotism.

@julienlalonde2877

8 ай бұрын

Same here. I live in rural washington state and I see the flag flown frequently.

Just a point of clarification since i see people posting conflicting info in the comments. This flag, the one most people call the "Confederate Flag" is the Battle Flag of the Army of Tennessee. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia had one very similar but it was square. The Confederate Navy Jack was also this exact design but with a lighter blue.

@jimmyrussl7112

2 жыл бұрын

Love your videos

@zainmudassir2964

2 жыл бұрын

Hi sir

@MegaUMU

2 жыл бұрын

Love ur channel

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, thanks for adding this information!

@xyzaxy230

2 жыл бұрын

Comments don't count as a collab. Just wanted to say nice to see you comment!

From what I personally believe, that teacher having a class with discussion groups about subjects like these should be implemented in schools across the country, like some sort of class.

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%

@itisnottaken4444

2 жыл бұрын

Back in the day, before I was in grade school, there was a class similar to this called ethics

@erikbender1

2 жыл бұрын

absolutely , the standard curriculum is weak sauce .

@autribasu

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of selective private high schools (like mine) do that. It's called "Harkness."

@conradkorbol

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t agree. It’s hate. There is no discussion. This is a terrorist and traitor symbol.

I'm actually impressed with the quality of the responses you received. Covered pretty much everything. I was particularly impressed with the idea of judging the flag and its owner by how it is used. That makes all the difference and bridges the gap.

"Heritage not hate" can't be possible when that heritage is rooted in hate.

@doctorpie91

5 ай бұрын

Thats fair, but a lot of people who fought in the civil war were arguably just doing it not out of racist or hateful intent, but to protect their states economies. I bet many were afraid that the abashment of slavery was an infringement on their states rights, regardless of their view on slavery itself. This doesn't make slavery or the confederacy justified, but it certainly explains why people feel the way they do. Overall I think its important that we judge the flag and the people flying it based on how its used.

@desuretard8654

5 ай бұрын

Hatred of what? The North? Makes sense.

@BoeingOfficial

5 ай бұрын

@@doctorpie91 Yeah General Lee didn’t support slavery but wouldn’t dare go against his beloved home state of Virginia

@TheLovely282

5 ай бұрын

@@BoeingOfficial General lee supported pro slavery stuff but I wouldn’t say it his reason for leading

@TheLovely282

5 ай бұрын

@@desuretard8654the answer should be obvious ? Lol

Mr. Beat, as a fellow teacher, I really appreciate your ability to discuss both sides of a given argument, while simultaneously cutting the "Both Sides were equally valid" rhetoric. its refreshing to see educators call the 'lost cause myth' and 'states rights' arguements what they are - total and utter revisionist B.S.

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The "Both Sides were equally valid" rhetoric is getting ridiculous lately.

@sknmrowley

2 жыл бұрын

Northern officers held slaves in five different union states. Slavery was at issue between the states but not the main reason for the war. If it were, many northern officers would have refused their commissions including Grant, who was himself a slave owner and my relative.

@willstout5988

2 жыл бұрын

@@sknmrowley you might need to study up a little more on civil war history. it was the SOUTH that succeeded from the union. Why? The primary reason was that, Because Abraham Lincolns was elected, there was a deep fear that their economies and livelihoods would be upended by the END OF SLAVERY. Slavery was the centerpiece of political legislation for 40 years prior to the war. Slavery was the impetus of the war. Slavery WAS the reason the south succeeded. Slavery was what the south was inherently defending by killing American union soldiers. Stop defending treason.

@willstout5988

2 жыл бұрын

@@night6724 and yet here you are in his comment section, giving him views... I encourage you to read a book or two on American political history circa 1820-1860, there’s nothing wrong with learning new things and admitting you have been sold a lie :)

@sknmrowley

2 жыл бұрын

@@willstout5988 it was a cause just not THE cause. Someone read their textbook…try reading primary sources

I used to believe that the "Confederate Flag" was a symbol of heritage when I was in high school. This was back between 2011 and 2015, then I started to study history. I was not bullied into changing my belief, I changed it because I began to dig into the history of the Civil War, and all the intricacies. It was taught by my paternal side of the family to be heritage because they originate from Alabama. As I studied, I learned the truths and now I encourage others to do the same.

@KingstonHawke

2 жыл бұрын

Respect!

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

You and I both. Then again, I went to high school in the late 1990s

@dailydoseofleftpill3458

2 жыл бұрын

Great work dude 👌

@kjgarvin

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you did. I took the time to read each article of succession, because I would hear people mention that the civil war wasn't about slavery. Most of the letters of succession mention slavery. The others are short, to the point and doesn't mention the reasons for succession. Like January 6, a group of people like to rewrite history.

@ThecrazyJH96

2 жыл бұрын

Same

Back in the 70s, I had the flag on my car. Someone being offended by it never crossed my mind. It merely represented my southern heritage. However, I wouldn't display one today.

@renaigh

4 ай бұрын

brains were pretty expensive back then.

@russsyracuse8143

4 ай бұрын

@@renaigh Stupid reply.

@cavemancult1999

4 ай бұрын

@@russsyracuse8143She's right though.

@Joshua-8888

4 ай бұрын

@@russsyracuse8143 I think your just stupid.

@TB-rm7oq

4 ай бұрын

​@@cavemancult1999more than islam?

Really good documentary Mr. Beat. Excellent work & references . 👍🏾👍🏽😊

At our local town hall, there was a debate as to whether this one stand at the county fair should be allowed sell confederate flags.

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

Which state do you live in out of curiousity?

@edsova5089

2 жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat I live in Southeastern Ohio, near the border of Kentucky and West Virginia

@Spongebrain97

2 жыл бұрын

@@edsova5089 thats a big oof especially because Ohio was a key state for the Union and Kentucky also remained loyal

@northatlanticcommonwealth1188

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spongebrain97 Kentucky had a split government, and the CSA made some incursions into Ohio

@coldwar45

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spongebrain97 Kentucky remained loyal but there was tons of secessionist sentiments there and the state even had a split government

I really liked that guy at the end. He seemed like a great teacher and a great person.

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

I agree!

@SouthernGentleman

2 жыл бұрын

“We Are Fighting for Independence, Not Slavery”. - Jefferson Davis President of the Confederacy to Edward Kirk “I worked night and day for 12 years to prevent the war, but I could not. The north was mad, blind,would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came.” - Confederate President Jefferson Davis “In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country.” - Robert E Lee 1856 “While we see the Course of the final abolition of human slavery is onward, & we give it the aid of our prayers & all justifiable means in our power we must leave the progress as well as the result in his hands who Sees the end” - Robert E Lee 1856 “I am rejoiced that slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interests of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this, as regards Virginia especially, that I would cheerfully have lost all I have lost by the war, and have suffered all I have suffered, to have this object attained.” - Robert E Lee 1865 “All I think that can now be done, is to aid our noble & generous women in their efforts to protect the graves & mark the last resting places of those who have fallen, & wait for better times.” - Robert E. Lee “I have always been in favor of Emancipation.” - Robert E Lee In an 1863 letter to his home state congressman, Elihu Washburne, Grant summed up his pre-war attitude: “I never was an Abolitionist,” he said, “not even what could be called anti-slavery.” “Slavery exists. It is black in the South, and white in the North.” - Union Vice President Johnson. “We're not fighting for the perpetuation of slavery, but for the principles of states rights and free trade, and in defense of our homes which we were ruthlessly invaded.” -VMI Jewish Cadet Moses Jacob Ezekiel “Abolish the Loyal League and the Ku Klux Klan; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict.” - Nathan Bedford Forrest “African Americans should have the right to vote.” - Confederate Colonel John Salmon Ford The confederate soldier “Fought because he was provoked, intimidated, and ultimately invaded” -James Webb Born Fighting a History of the Scoth-Irish in America “I was fighting for my home, and he had no business being there” -Virginia confederate Soldier Frank Potts List of causes of the Civil War- Harpers Ferry On the night of October 16, 1859, Brown and a band of followers seized the federal arsenal at Harper’s Ferry, Virginia (now West Virginia), in what is believed to have been an attempt to arm a slave insurrection. (Brown denied this at his trial, but evidence indicated otherwise.) They were dislodged by a force of U.S. Marines led by Army lieutenant colonel Robert E. Lee. Brown was swiftly tried for treason against Virginia and hanged. Southern reaction initially was that his acts were those of a mad fanatic, of little consequence. But when Northern abolitionists made a martyr of him, Southerners came to believe this was proof the North intended to wage a war of extermination against white Southerners. Brown’s raid thus became a step on the road to war between the sections. States' Rights The idea of states' rights was not new to the Civil War. Since the Constitution was first written there had been arguments about how much power the states should have versus how much power the federal government should have. The southern states felt that the federal government was taking away their rights and powers. Political power That was not enough to calm the fears of delegates to an 1860 secession convention in South Carolina. To the surprise of other Southern states-and even to many South Carolinians-the convention voted to dissolve the state’s contract with the United States and strike off on its own. South Carolina had threatened this before in the 1830s during the presidency of Andrew Jackson, over a tariff that benefited Northern manufacturers but increased the cost of goods in the South. Jackson had vowed to send an army to force the state to stay in the Union, and Congress authorized him to raise such an army (all Southern senators walked out in protest before the vote was taken), but a compromise prevented the confrontation from occurring. Perhaps learning from that experience the danger of going it alone, in 1860 and early 1861 South Carolina sent emissaries to other slave holding states urging their legislatures to follow its lead, nullify their contract with the United States and form a new Southern Confederacy. Six more states heeded the siren call: Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas. Others voted down secession-temporarily. When President Lincoln called for Volunteers to invade the south, six southern states voted to join the Confederacy. The issue of slavery The burning issue that led to the disruption of the union was the debate over the future of slavery. Secession brought about a war in which the Northern and Western states and territories fought to preserve the Union, and the South fought to establish Southern independence as a new confederation of states under its own constitution. Most of the states of the North, meanwhile, one by one had gradually abolished slavery. A steady flow of immigrants, especially from Ireland and Germany during the potato famine of the 1840s and 1850s, insured the North a ready pool of laborers, many of whom could be hired at low wages, diminishing the need to cling to the institution of slavery. Child labor was also a growing trend in the North. The agrarian South utilized slaves to tend its large plantations and perform other duties. On the eve of the Civil War, some 4 million Africans and their descendants toiled as slave laborers in the South. Slavery was part of the Southern economy although only a relatively small portion of the population actually owned slaves.

@tanker00v25

Жыл бұрын

​@@SouthernGentleman coping so hard you had to post every single myth and piece of irelevant information to convince yourself that war to defend slavery wasn't unambiguously evil

@dohnjoe9211

Жыл бұрын

@@SouthernGentleman John Brown did nothing wrong. Sherman did nothing wrong.

@ilikesnakes4695

9 ай бұрын

@@SouthernGentleman Watch Atun-Shei, you'll learn something, trust me

Bro this is a sick video, you went out there and asked people their opinions and had a civil conversation. This is the American way, keep it up

Here in Indiana, we donated the most soldiers out of any other state to the civil war. And now you can't go a thirty minute drive without seeing one of those battleflags. Shameful, really.

@a_pirate1434

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t see as many back home in MI as I do whenever I go through Indiana, but they’re everywhere here too! 90,000 Michiganders, their ancestors and mine, fought the rebels to save our country, and they wave the rebel flag? Sickening

@pax6833

2 жыл бұрын

worst is when it flies in WeeVee. They literally seceded from Virginia to not fight for traitorous slavers.

@HistorySZN

2 жыл бұрын

i’m from indiana too, i didn’t know we had the most soldiers, pretty cool. any idea by how much?

@zepanzer9598

2 жыл бұрын

I live in Kentucky and my god its everywhere, i recently visited family in Alabama and i shockingly saw less Confederate flags

@KingstonHawke

2 жыл бұрын

@@zepanzer9598 Kentucky is way more racist than people realize.

I live in Wisconsin, and as you may know Wisconsin wasn't part of the confederacy. Yet every time my mother and I go to get groceries we drive by a house that hangs a confederate flag in their window.

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

I should interview them!

@leonardpriestley6822

2 жыл бұрын

I'm on the west coast of Canada, and occasionally see the Confederate flags in windows too. I don't get it.

@ohhellyeah2878

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonardpriestley6822 Its a rural vs urban thing now, and also their way of giving the finger to the globalist establishment.

@tylerdurden4392

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonardpriestley6822 You could feel sympathy for the Confederates no matter where you live. Smart people live in the north, too :P

@alexjonesbones4753

2 жыл бұрын

@@ohhellyeah2878 yeah i live in Alberta and my cousin fly's that flag, he's not some neo nazi he just hates the government and liberal extremists.

It was always about hate, one way or another. No matter how you slice it, treating humans as farm animals is just raw. Defending it is absolutely hateful.

this comment section is making me lose faith in America.... the amount of mental gymnastics that has to be performed to visualize this flag as anything more than a symbol of racism is absurd. I am from the south myself, and there are PLENTY of OTHER WAYS you could choose to express your culture other than a symbol of racist oppression.

@caleb2507

Ай бұрын

The “slavery” line is overplayed. Let’s not argue about a war being fought over “tractors”/ farm equipment. This was a war fought over the right to disobey the Federal government if they were voted wrong by the majority of folks living in their own state. Secession and the limits of Federal government put simply. Race only became a point in the civil rights era to further the movement and justify a hatred towards “Rebels” who fought for America vs greedy capitalist that fought for control, industry and eventually the bs you see in modern America. Just imagine for a second how different things would be if the South had won. Mason Dixon line is a DMZ and the North can F off. The South has remained relatively the same and roughly 30-40 years after the wars end in 1865 did what their greatest wartime supporters did (and most of the world as the Industrial Revolution kicked in) stopped dealing with slavery lol. Why go through the hassle of buying, transporting, feeding, clothing, housing, medical, etc for 1 single person when you can buy a tractor that works better and cost effective 🤡slavery was over in the West by 1900 for the most part. It was even slowing down in the 1850s America. Not to mention 99% of Confederate soldiers owned few if any slaves ( a single slave was roughly $30k in todays money, so tell me how many rich rednecks you think had $100k+ in slaves?). Not hard to see reality when you stop eating garbage about “black vs white”.

Even those kids at Shawnee, was more civil than the childish rants we see from adults today. Those kids truly gave me hope for the future.

@Shywolf2

Жыл бұрын

Just not their ideology, but they at least can listen.

@scottbivins4758

Жыл бұрын

I try to have civil conversations with people about it but i end up getting called a racist because i fly it i dont hate no one because the color their skin if u dont got good character i start to not like people i dont fly no nazi flag i only fly the rebel flag i dont know how that makes me racist i understand why it can be hurtful to people of color but its my right to fly it i dont think it should be out on a flag pole at no court house or state building but i think if people want to fly it they can and they should but dont it if ur promoting hate because someone looks different. I love everyone that is a good person.

@TheMCNemesisOnAmazonMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@scottbivins4758 you understand how it can be hurtful yet choose to hurt?

@scottbivins4758

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMCNemesisOnAmazonMusic you know I do understand but you know what their feelings don't override my right to fly that flag or whichever flag i want to fly i fly 3 flags the american is first and then the rebel flag then the dont tread on me flag. The rebel battle flag has had so many different meanings u cant just say it is racist. If they someone is using it for hate bash that person an the racist group don't bash the people that fly it for heritage. If u cant separate people that hate away from people that actually fly that flag for a reason because they are proud to be southern and from the south. Then thats the issue we should be abel to talk about it an gain understanding not everyone that flys the rebel flag is good i get that. But before that flag even became a symbol for hate for the kkk and Nazis there was an actual klan organization that told the other ones not to use that fucking flag because they didnt want all southern to seems racist and that wasnt the real meaning of that flag people need to learn the actual history not just the bad part of the flag history but all of its history now that being said i dont think it should it be flown at state building or courthouse because the histroy of our justice system past. That i dont think it should be on states buildings. But i will damned if someone is gonna call me racist and not even know me thats like me saying i hate black people ive never meet. How can i hate someone when i dont know them or who they are. U cant get a sense for who someone is if u dont talk to them and get to know them cuz i promise u most friends are people of color. An they have known me since elementary school an they know im dont hate based on skin color if ur shitty human i dont like u and thats probably how most southern see things today this isnt the south of 60's most of the people have change especially the ones that were thought not to hate because someone looks different. Instead of attack the flag go after the real issue the racist the klan the nazis and leave us loving southerns out of it thats all we want im sure most people from the south would get behind blacks an people of color if they just went after the real bad guys and not people they think are the bad guys. Because when u attack southerners who fly that flag that dont hate no one because the color of skin that sends a message to all Southerners that fly that flag that ur after us. Not the bad guys. If u wanna tell me u hate the rebel flag that is fine i respect that but im respectfully tell u that damn Yankee pride dont mean shit to me because it dont. If we gonna hate flags that flew over slavery then we need to hate every countries flag because guess what the whole human race is guilty of slavery not just tge white man or americans actually teach the history of slavery not only America's history with slavery. Slavery wasnt a race thing in the beginning if u were broke as joke u was a slave and the white man didnt come to africa and kidnap black. That was already done when they white man got there. We wouldnt have survived in africa that damn long because of diseases and everything africans put each other in chains and tge sold them for goods the only history that gets told about slavery is the south but most them soldiers were just fighting to protect their homes and family people forget about that part of the civil war. The confederacy fought for slavery not soldiers they were fighting to defend their home and their home state from the union invasion. U really cant blame the Confederate soldiers now u can blame the Confederate government all god damn day that is fine with me. But we shouldn't attack the flag that that thousands maybe millions of soldiers died fir u can csa but not people that fought for it cuz i bet u half them soldiers didnt even own a slave. Do you know how many southerns owned slaves? It was less the souths population. Im fly the Confederate flag till the day i die an im a be buried with it. I was born in the south an im die a proud southern proud of my heritage. People need to tell actually both sides of the war an i mean from all the causes of it an the reason for it because it more than just for slavery. Maybe not for the csa government them soldiers fought different reason if people can accept that they need to stop being worried about history then all i can say is america an the south have came along ways an i am proud for that but im still gonna fly my rebel flag regardless if it hurts someones feelings. I dont like seeing the pride flag but my feelings dont matter about that its protected under the freedom of speech. Just like the rebel flag this how good of country we live in peoples feelings dont matter when it comes to peoples rights freedom think about that.

@strawberrymilk607

Жыл бұрын

​@Scott Bivins Dude wrote a whole essay defending the Confederate flag Since white nationalists and hate groups LOVE waving the Confederate flag, don't be surprised that many people don't like it

Whenever people do something like this I always get so worried that they're gonna be incorrectly seen as a racist

@rolanddeschain6089

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Nice to see most people were decent and open.

@tylerdurden4392

2 жыл бұрын

Lots of people think EVERYTHING is racist.

@emekao502

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah lol it was funny to see all the double takes😂

@500mph7

2 жыл бұрын

If you see a confederate battle flag at a bar or as a bumper sticker, chances are it has no racist intentions behind it.

@howdydutt1e

2 жыл бұрын

If I see that flag I distance myself. My family left the south in the 50s and it means run.

You live in LFK? My wife went to KU. It's crazy how much a college can support a completely different culture in a community than the surrounding area.

4:15 awesome understanding from this man✅ (about 99% of all objects or ideas) - depends what you are doing with it 🏁

I am so grateful to have stumbled upon your channel . I find your converge of hot topic issues very enlightening and appreciate the points and especially the excellent references in the description.

The segment on the classroom discussion is very telling on how much the war affects society today. Sociologists and historians should take note.

CSA lasted 4 years. I have older shoes.

It takes courage to make videos on controversial topics like this, Mr. Beat is a Polymath for sure!

@almond3963

2 жыл бұрын

commie ?

@revolutionaryape7568

2 жыл бұрын

@@almond3963 Nah, I'm a moderate .

@spiffygonzales5160

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't take courage to take the popular opinion and strawman your opponent

@pavelm.gonzalez8608

2 жыл бұрын

@@revolutionaryape7568 yeah, but you know that by using that symbol, you exposed yourself to be fingered as a Marxist-Leninist (or any of its related brand brothers), even if you truly aren't (like if I use the swastika as profile picture, I'm also putting myself as a Hitler sympathiser for the rest of the people).

@VIKASGUPTA-vn7uj

2 жыл бұрын

The only flag which symbolises hatred and violence is the one you so shamelessly scour

I like this ‘man in the street’! Please do more! Glad I stumbled upon your site. Enjoy all your videos. Appreciate your personal thoughts along with your amazing facts and research. Awesome, mr. beat! Hello to mrs. beat!

This is great content mr beat thanks!

As an outsider looking in, part of me can sympathize with Southerners who fly the flag out of a sense of wanting to gain back a little bit of that pride that was lost, of celebrating the good parts of Southern traditions and culture, of showing their love for their own state, and the notion that their rebellious nature is something to be proud of as it parallels America as a whole being born out of rebellion against the British Empire. There's a lot that folks from the Southern US can and should be proud of, many of which the North rarely ever seems to gives them any credit for. *But this old flag and the Confederacy it represented that was specifically and blatantly fighting to preserve the institution of slavery shouldn't be part of that.* That said, folks have to have these civil discussions with them. This level of understanding and patience needs to come back. People seem to have lost that over the years, not just in America, but just people on the internet and out on the streets anywhere in the world. From what I've been seeing, if you're talking down to an entire region of the country, insulting them, berating them, or accusing even the most benign, normie-ass, hard-working Southern folks of the crimes of their ancestors, you won't get any kind of willingness to listen, let alone any chance of changing their minds about what the flag stands for, understandably so. There's better ways out there to disillusion these folks from the Lost Cause myths they've been fed.

@cavemancult1999

4 ай бұрын

Okay that's cute and all but realistically you're asking people who's ancestors had been put under every single horror imaginable to have, even after the slavery era to talk to people who very much wish to uphold slavery and the after effects, knowing full well of what they are doing, how about this, how about instead of lecturing the victims, you lecture your own people that do this shit?

@ismaeltrevino1721

4 ай бұрын

​@@cavemancult1999just make your own comment dude don't go on everybody's else's comments

@ThePeteriarchy

4 ай бұрын

​@@cavemancult1999 "Your own people that do this shit." Very presumptuous of you. One might even say... racist. Lol. I'm not white. I'm not even American. I literally started off saying "As an outsider looking in." Hell, historically, I got some beef with Americans who screwed my country over in 1898. I don't shit on modern Americans and blame them all for the war crimes done to my people. I don't do it to modern day Spanish people either, despite their ancestors skulking around here for 300 years. Same way I don't shit on modern Germans as if they were still the Nazis, or the Japanese as if they were the same war criminals of the Empire in WWII. All I suggested was that Americans having proper discourse would probably change people's minds and they'd stop flying the flag that represents so much hatred. You catch more flies with honey. But you ain't bein' sweet right now, mf.

@Ant_Dawgg

3 ай бұрын

@@cavemancult1999​​⁠ no, he’s asking people to hear each other out. He’s got a point. many people who fly the flag fly it because their parents taught them that it stood for southern pride. As a black person, I obviously understand and agree with why the majority of black people don’t like to see the flag, but you have to realize that to a lot of these guys, the flag means something completely different than what it means to us. I grew up around all sorts of people, white, black, Mexican. you name it, I was friends with them. One of my best friends dad had the flag hanging up in his house, the first time i went to his house i saw the flag and got scared that his dad was going to be disrespectful or racist to me. But when he came out to greet me he gave me a firm handshake and was grinning ear to ear. He was just happy that his son finally had a friend, he didn’t give a shit what race I was. To him the flag represented his family and the memories that they made when he lived in the south. But to us it represents our ancestors being forced to be slaves. It’s kinda like the nazi flag, for most people it stands for nazi germany, but for many Indian religions it represents peace and tranquility. It’s all about how you perceive things. I’m not saying that you’re wrong for hating the flag, trust me I do too. All I’m saying is that not everyone who flies it is a racist. There’s 2 sides to every story.

@ismaeltrevino1721

3 ай бұрын

@@Ant_Dawgg understood

My great-great-great grandfather fought the rebels at Gettysburg as part of the Iron Brigade, and I’m sure he wouldn’t take too kindly to seeing their battle flag waved all across the country like it is today. People talk about “heritage” a lot but waving a flag of sedition and chattel slavery is honestly an insult to those who sacrificed so that America and its freedoms exists today.

@alexanderrobins7497

2 жыл бұрын

Good point. While literally dying to keep slavery going, some people’s heritage involves killing those traitors. Don’t forget to remind them the proper confederate flag is the white flag.

@Hollywood2021

2 жыл бұрын

That's awesome that you know your family's heritage so well. My understanding is the last Confederate soldier died in 1956...seems that he's the last individual on the planet with a reason to fly the CSA battle flag

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and there are plenty of other good symbols that could be used to demonstrate heritage.

@TrU_homie

2 жыл бұрын

Great point, those losers cry about their heritage, but literally forget it’s spitting on the heritage of the real patriots who fought to save the country fighting those losers.

@nicolasceresoli9121

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn't there more than just slavery that actually involved the Southern states to secede? I mean, I want to understand how deep this war went because I heard people saying the abolitionists proposal was the spark that ignited an already ongoing quarrel causing a war to break out.

My respects and gratitude! This was so good to see in such troubled times in America. Much needed critical thinking in the USA 🇺🇸

Props to this teacher, what an amazing guy..facilitating civil discussion. He's a real man!

@kdmdlo

8 ай бұрын

Yes! Absolutely.

@gs6cav

5 ай бұрын

He already had his opinion. Moderating a fake forum is nothing less than indoctrination. Teachers don’t advance their students thinking processes by instilling their opinions in them. Present the facts, not your opinions, and let the students decide for themselves.

@kdmdlo

5 ай бұрын

@@gs6cav Well, history isn't simply a matter of facts. It's also a matter of interpretation. Math is one thing (as is physics, chemistry, etc.). But history is ALWAYS subject to interpretation.

Props these young people for being smart

Excellent video! I like that you weren’t inserting your own thoughts as much as I see so many other people do in your situation. The way I’d sum it up is that history has redefined what this flag symbolizes. I think we should try to understand what symbols have meant to some, but be sensitive to what they mean to others, as well. Personally, as someone from the south, I’m not at all proud of what that flag means to people today, but I wouldn’t try to sensor anyone, either, just for having a different feeling about it.

“Colonialism”? I despise the CSA but many people here have been fed an alphabet of words to call everything they don’t like

@The_-_-

2 жыл бұрын

I mean the csa did go on the offensive first, so technically you could say they tried to “colonize” part of the union, but i agree, it’s a stretch.

@bjehulk

2 жыл бұрын

People thinking “colonialism” is an insult lmaoo

@Jack-sq6xb

2 жыл бұрын

Well they did want a golden circle type thing

@Nickyyy-

2 жыл бұрын

@WL2020 Colonialism isn’t inherently racist. The colonizers you are thinking about are.

@bjehulk

2 жыл бұрын

@WL2020 Colonialism isn’t inherently racist. It’s certainly a complex subject to view in hindsight but I’ll summarize it for you. I’m Filipino, if the Spanish never colonized the New World, my people and I would still be naked savage cannibals running around in the jungle scalping each other and worshiping false sun gods or something.

🏳️ This is the real confederate flag.

@tiff7934

2 жыл бұрын

😳😵‍💫🥱

@srbtlevse16

2 жыл бұрын

liberals destroyed

@gupoll

2 жыл бұрын

Based

@logan3093

2 жыл бұрын

@@srbtlevse16 democrat and liberal are not the same. As are republican and conservative. Party name doesn't define policy

@tiff7934

2 жыл бұрын

@@srbtlevse16 ?? the confederate was pretty conservative

As much as people want to rewrite the history of the flag, there's nothing heritage about it. Though the common Confederate flag that we fly nowadays was originally introduced and I believe the 1960s, that variation of the flag actually had very serious racist undertones since it was being flown specifically in support of segregation, the flag and all of its variations isn't something that should be flown by people and spoken about as if it's heritage. I understand that the South has this whole cultural thing going, but the reality of it is that flag was flown by a treasonous faction that's seceded from the United States and waged war against the Union. You can't fly that flag and say you're a proud citizen of the United States, because the ones who originally flew that flag specifically did so because they didn't want to be part of the United States.

@ArdnoliusOfficial

20 күн бұрын

It cannot be considered "treason" if those same citizens of that time no longer considered themselves (American), on the other hand using that same logic then we must condemn all those who use the American, Russian or British flags with indoles of Hate or for the crimes of these nations that they committed in the past

@Xerazal

20 күн бұрын

@@ArdnoliusOfficial year old comment you're responding to, and no it doesn't work that way. Russia, the UK, and the US still exist as countries to this day. The Confederacy literally existed for 4 years as an ill conceived temper tantrum against the abolishment of slavery and decided to secede from the US. It literally is the flag of traitors that fought the union. The British didn't do that, so idk who they'd be committing treason against. The Russians didn't do that, the ussr dissolved altogether. The US could be considered that, but it was successful in leaving the British empire, so sure it committed treason against the British empire but won its right to exist as its own nation by winning a war. The Confederacy committed treason and LOST. But ofc someone with a profile pic of a person who also threw a temper tantrum against their government in a vain attempt at showing just how oh so upset they were at the loss of your dear leader (bolsonaro) would try to spin it. Too bad when it happened in Brazil, they were so dumb that they did their attempted coup after da Silva had already been inaugurated and was president, whereas when our own man children did their failed coup attempt it was during the certification of the election results, with manbaby trump still technically being president.

@Xerazal

18 күн бұрын

@@ArdnoliusOfficial yea it can, because they still seceded from the union and lost.. I'm sorry bolsonaro lost and you don't like that, but nothing you say is gonna justify treason. The confederate flag is the flag of traitors.

In my opinion, I think it represents in a historical context a nation that fought to maintain a perceived right to continue to subjugate an entire race of people. In a modern context, it can represent either blind pride and ignorance, or just plain hatred.

@Jseagle1989

Жыл бұрын

I can see how it's viewed as such. However, for me after doing my own personal research it doesn't mean that to me. Yes, people who flew that flag owned slaves. However, a large majority of people in the south during that time didn't or couldn't own slaves. Only a small majority could, but were forced or coerced into fighting while the rich who did were exempt or were rarely in battle roles in the war. So, for me it represents those who fought or had to fight in a war that had little to no beneficial impact on them. Basically, it represents the soldiers lost, not the political cause. Yes, I'm a minority. I just dig deeper than the surface.

@rem700sniperplaystationnet9

11 ай бұрын

The war was over the insane taxes the north placed on the south, the south then seceded from the government and was then invaded by the government, the civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about money for the north, and standing up to a tyrannical government to the south.

@DennisSullivan-om3oo

8 ай бұрын

@@Jseagle1989 It was a slick trick by the slavers. They got ordinary people to fight for them.

@Sodium_Slug

7 ай бұрын

​@@Jseagle1989except that's not what they really think, they either have a nebulous idea of heritage or they believe in the lost cause.

@collink9600

7 ай бұрын

​@@Jseagle1989 This flag was the Confederate War Flag, hundreds of men fought NOT for slaves but to separate from the union. The Union fought the South because they feared there separations were in-fact legal. It was only when Lincoln brought up the freeing slaves part to gain support from france and spain.

This is my favorite mr. beat video so far… I love seeing mr beat take to the street and talk to the common folks.. very cool

Pretty consistent public answers across the board in the most liberal town in Kansas. I wonder what the consensus of responses would be if you did the same just just a little east in Missouri (past Kansas City of course)?

@kalelobe5710

2 жыл бұрын

Public opinion is public opinion which obviously changes with region do to historical presence during the civil war and in modern times how that region is educated. But facts are also facts and the fact is, the confederates were traitors and only seceded bc the North was infringing on the rich south elites to sell and exploit humans and expand it to the west. And in turn they manipulated the poor southerners to fight and die in their war for a hateful cause. And those same poor southerners now have a construed idea of what that war was. Or they do know and just use it to fuel their hatred

@havokmusicinc

2 жыл бұрын

Facts are facts are facts, the stars and bars are a rebel traitor flag flown by slave-owning separatists who lasted for a scant few years before getting their asses whupped. I'm not even a lib but if you think the stars and bars stand for anything but the confederacy, you have forgotten (or are wilfully ignorant) of this great nation's history.

@saintburnsy2468

2 жыл бұрын

@@kalelobe5710 Some Southerners genuinely see the Confederate flag not as a symbol of hate, but as a symbol of Southern heritage, of their distinctness from the rest of the country, of their separate, (more conservative) values... and they're taught that the Civil War, while yes involving slavery, was more to do with states' rights; that it was a war of northern aggression, of the Federal govt overstepping the states' powers to govern themselves. Not all Southerners who fly the Confederate flag are racists. That's an oversimplification and a misunderstanding of the Southern perspective.

@TheRh764

2 жыл бұрын

@@saintburnsy2468 Yes so its a total coincidence those people do fly it also happen to be racists as well. /s The curriculumn taught them to be racist, it taught them that literal chattel slavery was "no big deal" and "not that important" and that treason was "noble" - and it had to, because thats the only way you could walk out of any of that propaganda after the "treason in the same of owning and abusing other humans" and think that the flag stands for literally anything else. Racism is taught, not learned, the only thing you've done is, realizing it or not, state that the education system of much of the south is blatantly racist and historical revisionist, and has therefore raised generations of blatantly racist, historical revisionists. And ill tell ya what when ya word it like that, all this vaccine and election and qanon crapola seems alot less surprising, and alot more expected.

@saintburnsy2468

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRh764 Never said I supported it. Spend less time reeing and more time reading

Where can i buy one i like how it looks n its design.

Say what you will about Mr. Beat but he’s out they’re making content that can be uncomfortable to do. Props are due.

@SouthernGentleman

2 жыл бұрын

Most Confederate soldiers were under 30. Young boys under 18 sometimes worked as drummer boys. Some, cadets at Southern military academies like the Virginia Military Institute, used their skills as drillmasters to train raw recruits. The VMI cadets even fought in one engagement at the Battle of New Market, May 15, 1864, under the leadership of one of their professors. More than half the Confederate soldiers were farmers, although only a very small percentage of them owned slaves. The others came from many different types of jobs: carpenters, clerks, blacksmiths, and students. Foreigners-men not born in America-also fought for the South. The largest group was the Irish, followed by Germans, British, French, Poles, and Canadians. Texas also contributed Mexican troops. It is not certain how many foreigners fought for the Confederacy, but the number seems to be in the tens of thousands. High, but not nearly as high as the Union figure. Foreigners tended to fight in infantry regiments rather than cavalry or artillery. Black men served the Confederate forces throughout the war in militias, the navy, partisans, artillerymen, and behind the lines as body servants, laborers, and in construction of fortifications. In March of 1865, the Confederate Congress passed a law allowing black men to serve as armed soldiers. Native Americans, organized in three brigades, defended Southern lands in the west. Others were scattered among predominantly white regiments.

@saikikusuo7937

Жыл бұрын

​@@SouthernGentleman "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition." -Alexander Stephens, First and only vice president of the C.S.A.

@SouthernGentleman

Жыл бұрын

@@saikikusuo7937 and the Vice President said that in front of a 100 people in a theatre in Savannah. Obviously you won’t quote Jefferson Davis’s inaugural speech at the capital in front of thousands or the Union Vice President because it goes against your hate the majority because of the minority and hypocritically ignore the 7 union slave states narrative.

@SouthernGentleman

Жыл бұрын

@@saikikusuo7937 “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Africans, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” - Abraham Lincoln “All the Congresses on earth can’t make the n word anything else than what he is; he must be subject to the white man, or he must amalgamate or be destroyed. Two such races cannot live in harmony save as master and slave.” - Union General Sherman 1860

@saikikusuo7937

Жыл бұрын

@@SouthernGentleman okay? Lincoln was still racist? You don’t think I already knew that? This means literally nothing to my argument. The simple historical FACT is that this flag symbolizes a movement to secede from the Union in order to keep their state rights to ENSLAVE. And I say this as a resident of the south. This is the clear historical fact. I recognize that the union was still racist and wasn’t some progressive anti racist utopia, but the fact of the matter is, they were fighting AGAINST slavery and the confederates was fighting FOR it.

This is how we debate, communicate & educate in today’s world. Thanks for being a (mostly) unbiased vessel for dialogue. Hope you weren’t abused too much. 😂. Keep up the good work.

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy!

@iambelushi

2 жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat and thank you! Love your videos.

@johnathanjarisch7323

Жыл бұрын

What are you talking about this video being mostly unbiased. Half of this video isn't even people's reactions but him saying that the only people that use the confederate flag are racist. Propaganda isn't how we should educate in today's world.

@Leboobs22

Жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat hey Mr beat. They lost, but they kicked more butt than the North. They only won by inflicting pain on common people. The south didn't resort to what general Sherman did. They had humanity (towards honest white folk) City boy's like you won't survive when society collapses due to our frail old man that believes in gays teaching children that its ok to be gay. Racism is taught. Homosexuality is taught. Homophobia is natural and God given. I don't like you. It is an opinion. One you may disagree with, or agree with because deep inside I can see your sheltered point of view and I bet you can too smart boy.

Thank you for this educated and thorough breakdown! I live in the south (Louisiana) and see it often, so I needed to know more about the meaning behind this flag. No justification, IMO! However, those who are not fully educated or misinformed use it anyway. They may or may not know. Maybe I will ask why! Thanks again, Mr. Beat!

@Ricky_the_Georgian

Ай бұрын

I'm more educated ma'am, this is the Christian cross of st. Andrew, the red symbolises the blood of christ, the white symbolises the protection of God and the blue represents the confederate states. It was chosen by the army of North virginia as there battle flag because the first national flag "the stars and bars" looked to much like the union flag in battle and often confused troops on both sides. Soon it was adopted on future confederate flags, After the CW it was used by the southern militia called the klu Klux Klan until it was disbanded by cs general Nathan B. Forrest. Now it is seen as a symbol of rebellion, or a symbol of hate by stupid people. Or just a really nice flag design.

I live in Missouri and when I visited Brason, there was a store displaying the confederate battle flag

Americans about history: well, that was very long time ago Europeans: American Civil War is my favourite subject in modern history

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, I'm honestly not that surprised by this

@forickgrimaldus8301

2 жыл бұрын

Well it is Modern History even the 1600s is called the Early Modern Period .

@matim7549

2 жыл бұрын

@@forickgrimaldus8301 Well, thats the point duh

@forickgrimaldus8301

2 жыл бұрын

@@matim7549 yeah but a lot of people don't know that Queen Liz 1 is part of the Modern period lol

@SouthernGentleman

2 жыл бұрын

“We Are Fighting for Independence, Not Slavery”. - Jefferson Davis President of the Confederacy to Edward Kirk “I worked night and day for 12 years to prevent the war, but I could not. The north was mad, blind,would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came.” - Confederate President Jefferson Davis “In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country.” - Robert E Lee 1856 “While we see the Course of the final abolition of human slavery is onward, & we give it the aid of our prayers & all justifiable means in our power we must leave the progress as well as the result in his hands who Sees the end” - Robert E Lee 1856 “I am rejoiced that slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interests of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this, as regards Virginia especially, that I would cheerfully have lost all I have lost by the war, and have suffered all I have suffered, to have this object attained.” - Robert E Lee 1865 “All I think that can now be done, is to aid our noble & generous women in their efforts to protect the graves & mark the last resting places of those who have fallen, & wait for better times.” - Robert E. Lee “I have always been in favor of Emancipation.” - Robert E Lee In an 1863 letter to his home state congressman, Elihu Washburne, Grant summed up his pre-war attitude: “I never was an Abolitionist,” he said, “not even what could be called anti-slavery.” “Slavery exists. It is black in the South, and white in the North.” - Union Vice President Johnson. “We're not fighting for the perpetuation of slavery, but for the principles of states rights and free trade, and in defense of our homes which we were ruthlessly invaded.” -VMI Jewish Cadet Moses Jacob Ezekiel “Abolish the Loyal League and the Ku Klux Klan; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict.” - Nathan Bedford Forrest “African Americans should have the right to vote.” - Confederate Colonel John Salmon Ford The confederate soldier “Fought because he was provoked, intimidated, and ultimately invaded” -James Webb Born Fighting a History of the Scoth-Irish in America “I was fighting for my home, and he had no business being there” -Virginia confederate Soldier Frank Potts List of causes of the Civil War- Harpers Ferry On the night of October 16, 1859, Brown and a band of followers seized the federal arsenal at Harper’s Ferry, Virginia (now West Virginia), in what is believed to have been an attempt to arm a slave insurrection. (Brown denied this at his trial, but evidence indicated otherwise.) They were dislodged by a force of U.S. Marines led by Army lieutenant colonel Robert E. Lee. Brown was swiftly tried for treason against Virginia and hanged. Southern reaction initially was that his acts were those of a mad fanatic, of little consequence. But when Northern abolitionists made a martyr of him, Southerners came to believe this was proof the North intended to wage a war of extermination against white Southerners. Brown’s raid thus became a step on the road to war between the sections. States' Rights The idea of states' rights was not new to the Civil War. Since the Constitution was first written there had been arguments about how much power the states should have versus how much power the federal government should have. The southern states felt that the federal government was taking away their rights and powers. Political power That was not enough to calm the fears of delegates to an 1860 secession convention in South Carolina. To the surprise of other Southern states-and even to many South Carolinians-the convention voted to dissolve the state’s contract with the United States and strike off on its own. South Carolina had threatened this before in the 1830s during the presidency of Andrew Jackson, over a tariff that benefited Northern manufacturers but increased the cost of goods in the South. Jackson had vowed to send an army to force the state to stay in the Union, and Congress authorized him to raise such an army (all Southern senators walked out in protest before the vote was taken), but a compromise prevented the confrontation from occurring. Perhaps learning from that experience the danger of going it alone, in 1860 and early 1861 South Carolina sent emissaries to other slave holding states urging their legislatures to follow its lead, nullify their contract with the United States and form a new Southern Confederacy. Six more states heeded the siren call: Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas. Others voted down secession-temporarily. When President Lincoln called for Volunteers to invade the south, six southern states voted to join the Confederacy. The issue of slavery The burning issue that led to the disruption of the union was the debate over the future of slavery. Secession brought about a war in which the Northern and Western states and territories fought to preserve the Union, and the South fought to establish Southern independence as a new confederation of states under its own constitution. Most of the states of the North, meanwhile, one by one had gradually abolished slavery. A steady flow of immigrants, especially from Ireland and Germany during the potato famine of the 1840s and 1850s, insured the North a ready pool of laborers, many of whom could be hired at low wages, diminishing the need to cling to the institution of slavery. Child labor was also a growing trend in the North. The agrarian South utilized slaves to tend its large plantations and perform other duties. On the eve of the Civil War, some 4 million Africans and their descendants toiled as slave laborers in the South. Slavery was part of the Southern economy although only a relatively small portion of the population actually owned slaves.

When I see the confederate flag around Southern California, they always tend to be flying from the flat bed of a giant pickup

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

I am honestly surprised you see them at all in Southern California.

@christianmartinez774

2 жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat rare but see them around. I do live in the Inland Empire though.

@soupdrinker

2 жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat I used to live in San Joaquin county California and I also would see confederate flag pickup trucks too. Not that often though, about 2-3 times a year

Any symbol holy or not, positive or negative will start loosing its good/positive meaning from moment when its desecrated and used especially repetitively for evil purposes. Also in cases when those who remember its positive message r already gone (dead) or live far away where they still pray to or pledge respect to its original good/non desecrated meaning. Thx for creating this vid and channel, excellent work!👍👍

I was under the impression that this flag was not the general confederate battle Flag but the battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia? I know this video is dated a bit, but do you have any guidance on this?

Dang Mr. Beat, I've been a fan for a long time, but this is your best work yet!

Hope this doesn’t get demonetised… Seriously it’s a great video

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

It's demonetized. 😒

@osberswgaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat great….

@twicethegalo

2 жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat Sponsorships it is then!

@pavelm.gonzalez8608

2 жыл бұрын

it might be unfortunately censurated!!

@leam89

2 жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat get some sponsors. You deserve to make a living from your great videos.

"If I thought the war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side." - Gen. Ulysses Grant “I am not now, nor ever have been in the favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races.” - Pres. Lincoln

Am i the only one who finds it strange that Fire-Eaters argued for States' Rights when they were against Stephen A. Douglas arguing for popular sovereignty, which is basically States' Rights?

@johnpaulsylvester3727

2 жыл бұрын

It’s almost like it had more to do with race…

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the Fire-Eaters were for slavery, basically.

@tomney4460

2 жыл бұрын

Hello fellow left-handed guitarist

@beswanky

2 жыл бұрын

Not to defend the fire-eaters, but I don’t see the hypocrisy there. Popular sovereignty as advocated by Douglas was for territories before they are admitted as states. Obviously U.S. territories are not afforded state sovereignty.

Very great video, and that teacher is absolutely smart

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, and indeed they are!

@ussev8135

2 жыл бұрын

Hey @@iammrbeat are U gonna a reaction to Gravel Institute? Just like you did to PragerU.

@alexsayshi6782

2 жыл бұрын

@StrayDup its still good to debate them

I hate all CSA flags like why tf would you fly a flag of a country who lost

@bera580

2 ай бұрын

because it looks cool

@YBRebel

2 ай бұрын

@@bera580 but they lost

@bera580

2 ай бұрын

@@YBRebelbut it looks cool

@YBRebel

2 ай бұрын

@@bera580 The CPUSA flag looks cooler

People always ask if it's hate or heritage. It's a hateful heritage.

@warrenmcelroy4718

7 ай бұрын

That’s not fully the case, but I’m sure you likely believe you’re always right about everything

@qhu3878

28 күн бұрын

​@@warrenmcelroy4718 and the civil war was about states rights I'm assuming then

@warrenmcelroy4718

26 күн бұрын

@@qhu3878 The war between the states was about Preserving the Union. It’s as simple as that

@qhu3878

26 күн бұрын

@@warrenmcelroy4718 what does that even mean? lincoln wouldve done anything to prevent a civil war and preserve the union it was the south that seceded and started the war

@warrenmcelroy4718

26 күн бұрын

@@qhu3878 100% wrong! Lincoln would NOT do anything to prevent a War and he proved that after the South Carolina Seceded. Secession did not start or cause the war, Lincoln chose to violate the rights of the Sovereign States and ship extra federal troops to FtSumter instead of removing the troops that were occupying the Ft. Now if you don’t understand what the sentence “the war was about preserving the Union” means then there’s nothing I can say that will help you. It’s very simple and straight forward and 100% came from Lincoln himself

It confused me when I’d see the confederate flag on the back of pickup trucks in my high school parking lot in Oregon. My high school was 30 min from Portland. Then after Trump was elected in 2016, there was a significant increase in pickup trucks flying the Trump flag and now I’m not surprised. Ideology is more often than not passed down, not learned. They don’t fly those flags for pride. They fly them to intimidate. The trucks from Forest Grove, a predominantly white town, would go out of their way and drive slowly one after the other through predominantly brown neighborhoods in Cornelius. They want to feel superior. Thats their so called “culture”. That’s why they also have comically large trucks and are the drivers we need to look out for all the way into downtown Portland and beyond.

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

I am more scared of Confederate flags in Oregon than I am in Mississippi

@KevinGarcia-pv3lr

2 жыл бұрын

@@night6724 yes I posted a reply with articles about Black Exclusion Laws and the KKK’s presence in Oregon but it was deleted for whatever reason and I was to lazy to write it again.

@KevinGarcia-pv3lr

2 жыл бұрын

@@night6724 ok

@copaxan

2 жыл бұрын

@@night6724 “ill happily discuss this in discord 🤓🤓”

@Fanwithnblades

2 жыл бұрын

@@copaxan "according to my calculations" head ass

I bet there's a ton of Lost Causers in these comments, LOL. IIRC, the last time you did one of these crowd-reaction videos was back at VidCon 2019. Almost feels like a different era back then. Anyways, thank for the shout out!

@user-qn5ku7gs3r

2 жыл бұрын

Eh not that much right now like I only saw 1 right now which is pretty low for a video about the confederacy

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

Sure thing. Yeah, it absolutely was. I was so freaking nervous getting out there, but I think I want to do it again soon.

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat Yeah, these are great for raising public awareness. I forgot how useful "man on the street" kind of surveys are. It eliminates the angry responses anonymity elucidates while ensuring fairly random perspectives and encouraging honesty. Makes me think I should try the same with Southwestern history. Could even appear in my dissertation

@StandWatie1862

2 жыл бұрын

I'm one. But I'm not so naive to believe that governments are benevolent. Wars are fought for economic reasons and the civil war was no different. You're not fighting to end slavery when you still have slavery in New Jersey. I'm sorry that so many are brainwashed and don't know real history.

@aetherkid

2 жыл бұрын

@@StandWatie1862 The North fought to preserve the union. The South fought to preserve slavery. So when we say the Civil War was over slavery, we actually know what we're talking about. The South seceded, the South shot first, the South lost the war.

I'm loving seeing this in the center of the USA!😅😊 Hope for our country's future.

Flying the confederate flag for Southern heritage is like flying the swastika for German heritage.

@warrenmcelroy4718

7 ай бұрын

Most definitely Not

@refrigerator_man

7 ай бұрын

yeah, flying a flag for southern pride is equvilent to killing 1.3 million jews

@nzredwolf4048

4 ай бұрын

@@warrenmcelroy4718 Most definitley yes

@warrenmcelroy4718

4 ай бұрын

@@nzredwolf4048 only if you’re a complete and total idiot ….. it isn’t the same in the slightest bit

@ArdnoliusOfficial

20 күн бұрын

😂😲

The CSA lost, I don't know how it doesn't represent anything besides a failed country trying to maintain the same bigoted economic system which kept plantation owners in power.

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, my video goes into this. I don't mean to be rude, but it's more complicated than that.

@eliwilliams9206

2 жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat near where I live, the only people who have the flag on display out in front of their houses are known racists. I live in the northeast, so it makes sense that no one displays the flag for heritage

@aetherkid

2 жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat the Confederacy was for slavery. And they lost.

@RomanNardone

2 жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat yeah I get it. what Im saying is I don't understand how someone can say it represents southern heritage when the flag historically is a symbol of open rebellion from the current country we live in. If anything we should probably talk about the impact of the Daughters of the Confederacy on how the stars and bars is portrayed (along with the civil war in general)

@TheRh764

2 жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat No it isn't, mate you might have a degree but literally anyone can fucking read the Confederates themselves saying what they were all about in their articles of secession and the new constitution of the CSA. It's also literally a fact that slaves were owned by the rich, there is no meritful way to divorce the utmost focus on slavery and white supremacy from the wealthy elites who benefitted most from it. Not everything is "very complicated" like every historian says on literally everything, some things are actually pretty simple because they were relatively recent and kind enough to outright fucking tell us plainly about it. I'm not sure what more you need from these traitorous corpses to believe there was only one part they *really* cared about. They literally goddamn told the world, lol.

imo this specific flag is more specific than hate, it's revisionism, it's very existence (reusing a battle flag instead of the actual national) to me is the core of the post civil war racist movements. taking facts from the era and slightly distorting, slightly "forgetting" facts, "misspeaking", it symbolizes the entire movement, like the daughters of the confederacy, the flag tried to reshape the minds of the american public to see the war in a different light than it actually was.

@SouthernGentleman

2 жыл бұрын

“We Are Fighting for Independence, Not Slavery”. - Jefferson Davis President of the Confederacy to Edward Kirk “I worked night and day for 12 years to prevent the war, but I could not. The north was mad, blind,would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came.” - Confederate President Jefferson Davis “In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country.” - Robert E Lee 1856 “While we see the Course of the final abolition of human slavery is onward, & we give it the aid of our prayers & all justifiable means in our power we must leave the progress as well as the result in his hands who Sees the end” - Robert E Lee 1856 “I am rejoiced that slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interests of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this, as regards Virginia especially, that I would cheerfully have lost all I have lost by the war, and have suffered all I have suffered, to have this object attained.” - Robert E Lee 1865 “All I think that can now be done, is to aid our noble & generous women in their efforts to protect the graves & mark the last resting places of those who have fallen, & wait for better times.” - Robert E. Lee “I have always been in favor of Emancipation.” - Robert E Lee In an 1863 letter to his home state congressman, Elihu Washburne, Grant summed up his pre-war attitude: “I never was an Abolitionist,” he said, “not even what could be called anti-slavery.” “Slavery exists. It is black in the South, and white in the North.” - Union Vice President Johnson. “We're not fighting for the perpetuation of slavery, but for the principles of states rights and free trade, and in defense of our homes which we were ruthlessly invaded.” -VMI Jewish Cadet Moses Jacob Ezekiel “Abolish the Loyal League and the Ku Klux Klan; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict.” - Nathan Bedford Forrest “African Americans should have the right to vote.” - Confederate Colonel John Salmon Ford The confederate soldier “Fought because he was provoked, intimidated, and ultimately invaded” -James Webb Born Fighting a History of the Scoth-Irish in America “I was fighting for my home, and he had no business being there” -Virginia confederate Soldier Frank Potts List of causes of the Civil War- Harpers Ferry On the night of October 16, 1859, Brown and a band of followers seized the federal arsenal at Harper’s Ferry, Virginia (now West Virginia), in what is believed to have been an attempt to arm a slave insurrection. (Brown denied this at his trial, but evidence indicated otherwise.) They were dislodged by a force of U.S. Marines led by Army lieutenant colonel Robert E. Lee. Brown was swiftly tried for treason against Virginia and hanged. Southern reaction initially was that his acts were those of a mad fanatic, of little consequence. But when Northern abolitionists made a martyr of him, Southerners came to believe this was proof the North intended to wage a war of extermination against white Southerners. Brown’s raid thus became a step on the road to war between the sections. States' Rights The idea of states' rights was not new to the Civil War. Since the Constitution was first written there had been arguments about how much power the states should have versus how much power the federal government should have. The southern states felt that the federal government was taking away their rights and powers. Political power That was not enough to calm the fears of delegates to an 1860 secession convention in South Carolina. To the surprise of other Southern states-and even to many South Carolinians-the convention voted to dissolve the state’s contract with the United States and strike off on its own. South Carolina had threatened this before in the 1830s during the presidency of Andrew Jackson, over a tariff that benefited Northern manufacturers but increased the cost of goods in the South. Jackson had vowed to send an army to force the state to stay in the Union, and Congress authorized him to raise such an army (all Southern senators walked out in protest before the vote was taken), but a compromise prevented the confrontation from occurring. Perhaps learning from that experience the danger of going it alone, in 1860 and early 1861 South Carolina sent emissaries to other slave holding states urging their legislatures to follow its lead, nullify their contract with the United States and form a new Southern Confederacy. Six more states heeded the siren call: Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas. Others voted down secession-temporarily. When President Lincoln called for Volunteers to invade the south, six southern states voted to join the Confederacy. The issue of slavery The burning issue that led to the disruption of the union was the debate over the future of slavery. Secession brought about a war in which the Northern and Western states and territories fought to preserve the Union, and the South fought to establish Southern independence as a new confederation of states under its own constitution. Most of the states of the North, meanwhile, one by one had gradually abolished slavery. A steady flow of immigrants, especially from Ireland and Germany during the potato famine of the 1840s and 1850s, insured the North a ready pool of laborers, many of whom could be hired at low wages, diminishing the need to cling to the institution of slavery. Child labor was also a growing trend in the North. The agrarian South utilized slaves to tend its large plantations and perform other duties. On the eve of the Civil War, some 4 million Africans and their descendants toiled as slave laborers in the South. Slavery was part of the Southern economy although only a relatively small portion of the population actually owned slaves.

@tanker00v25

Жыл бұрын

​@@SouthernGentleman coping so hard you had to post every single myth and piece of irelevant information to convince yourself that war to defend slavery wasn't unambiguously evil

@SouthernGentleman

Жыл бұрын

@@tanker00v25 And what was the lost cause mythology? Confederates fought for their home? Most Confederates weren’t owners? 70% of the south didn’t have slavery Most Confederate soldiers were under the age of 30? Every race fought for the confederacy? Thousands of blacks fought for the Confederacy like black Confederate sailor David White from CSS Alabama, Cuban Woman Loretta Velasquez dressed as a man to fight for the Confederacy, Cherokee and Choctaw tribes fought for the Confederacy. The last Confederate General to stop fighting was Cherokee General Stand Watie. 10,000 Jews fought for the Confederacy, like Moses Ezekiel. 13,000 Hispanics and 3,000 Mexican-Texans fought for the Confederacy as well, like Santos Benavides. Hundreds of Asians fought for the Confederacy like Charles Chon. Hawaiian Confederate sailors sailed on the CSS Shenandoah. The U.S had segregation. Even Hawaii had segregation. Detroit riots, draft riots, and segregated New York Harlem hellfighters. There is no lost cause myth, only Marxist propaganda

@tanker00v25

Жыл бұрын

@@SouthernGentleman 1) communist propaganda on social media? Are you this out of touch? Please point out communist propaganda that was aired on Fox news. I'll wait. 2) ah yes, because fighting for their homes is the cited reason for the secession. Lmao. 3) which is irelevant. 4) which is irelevant. 5) ah yes. Thousands of black people fought for the confederacy... From 1864, when they Confederacy was losing so blacks were promised freedom if they took up arms. And even then the number was in meagre hundreds. Another myth. 6) which is irelevant. 7) which is irelevant. 8) which is irelevant. 9) which is irelevant. 10) which is irelevant. 11) Us had segregation. Confederacy had slavery. 12) “Marxist propaganda". You are out of touch. Imagine coping so hard over losing a war for slavery that you make shit like “Marxist propaganda up". Lmao, keep crying. 13) besides blatantly idiotic bullshut about “Marxist propaganda" your only argument is that *some* amount of minorities fought for Confederacy. Which is like saying that Hitler didn't want to exterminate jews because muslims were a part of the Gean army. Cry harder

These people give me hope

The stars and bars! Mr. Beat has a giant Robert E. Lee statue in his garden. He also has a giant Ulysses S. Grant statue there as well. Mr. Beat brings them to life and watches them fight.

As a Texan and a teacher I am interested in the thoughts of the country over the actual (original) confederate flag when speaking about the History of Texas. I have students yearly ask me “why did Six Flags over Texas remove all of the flags other than the US flag?”. I have had several years of positive discussions since I became a teacher but I would be curious about this from more outsiders perspectives.

I’m southern and from an extremely southern type family. I more see it as a heritage thing, but heritage from a corrupted and racist generation. These people have been dead for 200 years now and their pride is racist. Southern pride has evolved since then and our symbols should display such

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there are plenty of better symbols to show Southern pride

@forickgrimaldus8301

2 жыл бұрын

@@iammrbeat maybe the South should make a new flag as a collection of states. Maybe do an RE7 Umbrella and reverse the colors but that would probably not be enough because the colors a just flipped. (as in acknowledging the dark past it had and not just sweping it under the rug again.)

@forickgrimaldus8301

2 жыл бұрын

@@night6724 ok Butt hurt hear me out the problem isn't the flag itself but the people waving it, the flag is still used to terrorize people and spread a dangerous belief. Yes flags have changed meanings throughout the centuries yes but the meaning of the confed has yet to mean southern unity (as some people see it) but has for most of its life ment oppression of another people. (like the video said the swatica was used by India to represent sprituality but when the nasis took it it became a symbol of oppression.)

@compatriot852

2 жыл бұрын

Symbols change all the time. Just look at the iron cross, a symbol that is viewed by many as racist, but Germans still use it especially in the armed forces despite the history it has

@kaisermarxistdixie6842

2 жыл бұрын

I've seen tejanos who fly the Confederate flag, the thing is what is Southern is a very broud term what symbol can represent all the groups of the south like Creoles, tejanos, Native Americans, Cajuns, and etc

We moved from Michigan to NC in 2017 after 50 years. I had never seen a confederate flag in my life until our move to NC. Thank you for bringing us these videos. Appreciate all your great work!

@sailorjade

8 ай бұрын

mid michigan native, if you drive out in the country there are plenty of rebel battle flags, mostly flown with trump flags. in 2023 still

@Stan_522

7 ай бұрын

Must be blind. It’s sad I them all around rural areas in Michigan. Even in big the cities, Grand Rapids, Traverse city, Port Huron, even Detroit and Flint. Stones throw from Canada but claim ‘southern pride’ what a joke.

@SassyUnicorn86

Ай бұрын

I met a man from Michigan who told me in the south we let our N Words live anywhere. So there are racists everywhere

Whether or not it should he flown is largely contextual. Like the statues that were taken down, I believe they belong in a museum to preserve history and keep us from repeating the mistakes of the past. Flying them in in public places with zero context doesn't teach anything, or preserve history at all.

As a latvian, the culture with the most varieties of the swastika.... im very torn over the post 1930s use of our symbol. I have traditional jewlery from my great grandmother that i cant wear in public that was the swastikaon it. There is a part of me that wants to take the symbol back but i know there is too much hatred associated with it. So i begrudgingly leave my jewlery in the box and pray my future grandkids dont think i was a nazi.

@MuhammadFarukh

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not just your culture. The swastika belongs to a lot of cultures and it’s a shame that one government in history ruined it for the rest of us

@hannahdyson7129

2 жыл бұрын

The Swastika pre dates the Nazis by thosaunds of years .

@Jiji-the-cat5425

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure it complicates many things. The swastika is a pretty ancient religious symbol, and it was used by Buddhists, and I think Hindus as well. It used to be a symbol of good faith and good luck. Unfortunately, in the 30's Hitler and his Nazi's forever ruined the symbol, and it'll likely never be looked at the same ever again.

@dojacat7811

2 жыл бұрын

Consider what the ancient Africans, who created and relished the power and intent of the "swastika", and their descendants feel when they have to see what dumb ass Hitler did with their adinkra symbol.

@compatriot852

2 жыл бұрын

The Baltics it makes sense considering how the swastika is a religious symbol to the Romuva faith

The flag nerd in me cringed when that one guy called it the Stars and Bars

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

lol I was wondering if someone would bring that up in the comments

@adjacent819

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I just watched a video on that yesterday

@JPatterson61586

2 жыл бұрын

is it... not call the "Stars and Bars"? Well.... now to go edit my comment.

The way I understand it though slavery was a states right at the time. Like the US government wanted full control over the states while the southern states wanted to choose whether or not to have slavery. But no one had a true moral objection to slavery.

Its a great tool for detecting hate and racism.

I remember when I saw that flag for the first time, I asked my dad what it was. He said "oh that's the losers flag"

@forickgrimaldus8301

2 жыл бұрын

Well he ain't wrong 😂

@drened8502

2 жыл бұрын

Alexa, show me the casualty rates between northern and Southern soldiers

@forickgrimaldus8301

2 жыл бұрын

@@drened8502 Casualties actually mean little in the actual out come for example while the Winter War is a meme, the Soviets did win that war.

@drened8502

2 жыл бұрын

@@forickgrimaldus8301 Yeah except Russians don't call Finns loosers over that war. Its a national embarrassment, as the civil war should be

@forickgrimaldus8301

2 жыл бұрын

@@drened8502 yeah it was to the point that the Germans underestimated the Soviets but a win to the Soviets none the less even if it was a joke of one. (BTW the Soviets lost more men than Germany but the Soviets did become better at fighting later on and they did most things right by the mid to late points in the war while the Germans are memed for Barbarossa as they should be.)

Thanks for making this video, the discussion is important to have. Appreciate all your work

I think it means whatever you want it to mean, depending on the context. For instance, if you fly it in a community where it's understood and agreed upon that the flag represents heritage and not hatred, it's arguably pretty innocuous. However, if you fly it in a community or context where that isn't the case, it makes sense that people may interpret that as a declaration of racist or hateful beliefs/intent. Overall things like flags and symbols mean what we make them mean, and with something as divisive as the confederate flag (whereas something like the Nazi flag would be pretty unanimously recognized as hateful) I feel like it's just dependent on the context it's being raised in. I also think intent is an important factor. A lot of people use offensive iconography not because they're hateful or history buffs, but because they want to make others angry. And while that's definitely not as bad as hateful intent, it's certainly not helpful (although it does spark an interesting discussion/dialogue if done right).

Interviews in a Midwest college town. Maybe different results on a street corner in Biloxi?

I like this video style, Mr. Beat. Interviews mixed with analysis- it must’ve have been understandably awkward to do what you did for this video but you got some great responses. Awesome video

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Jacob!

@SouthernGentleman

2 жыл бұрын

“We Are Fighting for Independence, Not Slavery”. - Jefferson Davis President of the Confederacy to Edward Kirk “I worked night and day for 12 years to prevent the war, but I could not. The north was mad, blind,would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came.” - Confederate President Jefferson Davis “In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country.” - Robert E Lee 1856 “While we see the Course of the final abolition of human slavery is onward, & we give it the aid of our prayers & all justifiable means in our power we must leave the progress as well as the result in his hands who Sees the end” - Robert E Lee 1856 “I am rejoiced that slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interests of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this, as regards Virginia especially, that I would cheerfully have lost all I have lost by the war, and have suffered all I have suffered, to have this object attained.” - Robert E Lee 1865 “All I think that can now be done, is to aid our noble & generous women in their efforts to protect the graves & mark the last resting places of those who have fallen, & wait for better times.” - Robert E. Lee “I have always been in favor of Emancipation.” - Robert E Lee In an 1863 letter to his home state congressman, Elihu Washburne, Grant summed up his pre-war attitude: “I never was an Abolitionist,” he said, “not even what could be called anti-slavery.” “Slavery exists. It is black in the South, and white in the North.” - Union Vice President Johnson. “We're not fighting for the perpetuation of slavery, but for the principles of states rights and free trade, and in defense of our homes which we were ruthlessly invaded.” -VMI Jewish Cadet Moses Jacob Ezekiel “Abolish the Loyal League and the Ku Klux Klan; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict.” - Nathan Bedford Forrest “African Americans should have the right to vote.” - Confederate Colonel John Salmon Ford The confederate soldier “Fought because he was provoked, intimidated, and ultimately invaded” -James Webb Born Fighting a History of the Scoth-Irish in America “I was fighting for my home, and he had no business being there” -Virginia confederate Soldier Frank Potts List of causes of the Civil War- Harpers Ferry On the night of October 16, 1859, Brown and a band of followers seized the federal arsenal at Harper’s Ferry, Virginia (now West Virginia), in what is believed to have been an attempt to arm a slave insurrection. (Brown denied this at his trial, but evidence indicated otherwise.) They were dislodged by a force of U.S. Marines led by Army lieutenant colonel Robert E. Lee. Brown was swiftly tried for treason against Virginia and hanged. Southern reaction initially was that his acts were those of a mad fanatic, of little consequence. But when Northern abolitionists made a martyr of him, Southerners came to believe this was proof the North intended to wage a war of extermination against white Southerners. Brown’s raid thus became a step on the road to war between the sections. States' Rights The idea of states' rights was not new to the Civil War. Since the Constitution was first written there had been arguments about how much power the states should have versus how much power the federal government should have. The southern states felt that the federal government was taking away their rights and powers. Political power That was not enough to calm the fears of delegates to an 1860 secession convention in South Carolina. To the surprise of other Southern states-and even to many South Carolinians-the convention voted to dissolve the state’s contract with the United States and strike off on its own. South Carolina had threatened this before in the 1830s during the presidency of Andrew Jackson, over a tariff that benefited Northern manufacturers but increased the cost of goods in the South. Jackson had vowed to send an army to force the state to stay in the Union, and Congress authorized him to raise such an army (all Southern senators walked out in protest before the vote was taken), but a compromise prevented the confrontation from occurring. Perhaps learning from that experience the danger of going it alone, in 1860 and early 1861 South Carolina sent emissaries to other slave holding states urging their legislatures to follow its lead, nullify their contract with the United States and form a new Southern Confederacy. Six more states heeded the siren call: Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas. Others voted down secession-temporarily. When President Lincoln called for Volunteers to invade the south, six southern states voted to join the Confederacy. The issue of slavery The burning issue that led to the disruption of the union was the debate over the future of slavery. Secession brought about a war in which the Northern and Western states and territories fought to preserve the Union, and the South fought to establish Southern independence as a new confederation of states under its own constitution. Most of the states of the North, meanwhile, one by one had gradually abolished slavery. A steady flow of immigrants, especially from Ireland and Germany during the potato famine of the 1840s and 1850s, insured the North a ready pool of laborers, many of whom could be hired at low wages, diminishing the need to cling to the institution of slavery. Child labor was also a growing trend in the North. The agrarian South utilized slaves to tend its large plantations and perform other duties. On the eve of the Civil War, some 4 million Africans and their descendants toiled as slave laborers in the South. Slavery was part of the Southern economy although only a relatively small portion of the population actually owned slaves.

@tanker00v25

Жыл бұрын

​@@SouthernGentleman coping so hard you had to post every single myth and piece of irelevant information to convince yourself that war to defend slavery wasn't unambiguously evil

@SouthernGentleman

Жыл бұрын

@@metal_fusion Oh geez another brainwashed Marxist revisionist that learned all confederates were evil slave owners on social media and every good fact about confederate soldiers is a myth

@SouthernGentleman

Жыл бұрын

@@tanker00v25 Yes historically accurate quotes are myths. Keep up the Marxist revisionist movement on social media. 70% of the southern population didn’t have slavery and the union had 7 slave states in 1864. The union made a new slave state in 1863 called West Virginia. Good job being willingly brainwashed

I guess this raises an interesting question about who owns a symbol. For example, if a smaller group's positive symbol is coopted by a larger group and turned into a negative one, should the original group have to distance themselves from their symbol? Or take the opposite, if a larger group has a hate symbol that's turned/evolved into a more positive symbol by a smaller group should that smaller group then stop using the symbol?

@kstiemsma

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was thinking this same thing watching this video. Some examples being the Pepe the Frog discourse or the Auckland shooter saying “Subscribe to Pewdiepie”. There’s also a popular manga in Japan called Tokyo Revengers that uses the swastika in its original religious context. I think the confederate flag is very clearly a hate symbol in todays context, but I really enjoyed the dialogue this opens up and how our perception can shift easily as a collective on the not so clear examples.

I believe that most people who fly the flag are doing it based on heritage but it has also been used for hate. Also, it is also used as a symbol of hope and freedom for southerners because of past and modern views that depicts southerners as lesser and are commonly seen as the common southern stereotype that southerners are dumb, backwards, and need help are seen all over the country. I have experienced this stereotype sometimes from northern students coming down to southern schools and actually believed that southerners were stupid and talked real slow so we could “understand”. The Confederate soldiers saw the flag as hope not slavery, only a slim margin of the population of the south had slaves, and why would someone fight for something that did not even benefit them. Most confederate soldiers did not fight for slavery but for tradition.

@zenever0

4 ай бұрын

You’re sharing white supremacy propaganda. Slavery in the south was VERY COMMON. Confederate enlisted volunteers in 1861 were 42% more likely to own slaves themselves or to live with family members who owned slaves than the general population. More than 50% of Confederate commissioned officers in 1861 owned slaves, and none of them lived with family members who were slaveholders. 25% of southern households enslaved people. In some states like Mississippi, 50% of households had at least one enslaved person. Enslaving a person in the American South was as common as it is today to own a second car.

Funny how the black guy was the only one that said the correct name for it

You should interview the person who mixed the confederate, American, and nazi flag. It’s truly a mystery what goes through that guy’s mind.

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure hate goes on in that guy's mind.

@JewishMcFly-pg3mc

2 жыл бұрын

I live in western Canada and fly this with my gadsden flag. I've had many people call it the nazi flag which even more bathoms me when they see my Israeli flag also there and the fact that I'm Jewish so yeah war history ain't really talked about in most of North America I've come too realize lmao

@turin9137

Жыл бұрын

Propaganda will say anything that stands for white identity is hate.

@cruzgomes5660

Жыл бұрын

​@@JewishMcFly-pg3mc just curious, how does a Western Canadian come to fly the Confederate flag?

I would love one of these videos discussing the separation of church and state. To get people's views with a 2021 perspective.

@sawderf741

2 жыл бұрын

My opinion is that separation of church and state is supposed to go both ways. The state shouldn't control or force something over the church and the church shouldn't be a primary factor in making laws.

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

Great idea!

@aetherkid

2 жыл бұрын

Church and State should always be separated. Religion has no place in legislation.

@yashbisht33

2 жыл бұрын

@@night6724 so can atheism

@yashbisht33

2 жыл бұрын

@@night6724 and atheist institutions

I’m from Kansas. There are people who were born and raised in Kansas who still use the Confederate flag as a symbol of their heritage. Well, my heritage as a Kansan is anti-slavery activism.

glad to see our younger generation united and factual ..WTG GEN Z

Have seen it a couple times here in rural Massachusetts. Can't tell me THAT'S a Southern pride thing.

@awildtannerwasfound5045

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of people move around. Could be southerners who moved north for better opportunity but kept their pride. But it’s clear the confederate flag today is commonly thought to be a hate symbol. It’s not my argument to tell them it is, it’s not my argument to keep it up or take it down forever.

@madisonm1310

2 жыл бұрын

I'm in southeastern Massachusetts and see it too. Like, why?

@KingstonHawke

2 жыл бұрын

@@awildtannerwasfound5045 You are reaching. If you lived in the south all your life and then moved to the north and took the flag with you to display publically, you're doing it because you identify with the Confederacy specifically, not the south generally.

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

Unless they moved there from Mississippi

@awildtannerwasfound5045

2 жыл бұрын

@@KingstonHawke It’s not my place to answer since I don’t know, but remember to many people isn’t he south it’s just a pride thing, which means wherever they go it goes.

Bravely done Mr Beat. A Confederate battle flag, a maga hat, what next? A make Kansas bleed again banner? Seriously these are really interesting videos.

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

lol that would be rough, but thank you!

@SouthernGentleman

2 жыл бұрын

“We Are Fighting for Independence, Not Slavery”. - Jefferson Davis President of the Confederacy to Edward Kirk “I worked night and day for 12 years to prevent the war, but I could not. The north was mad, blind,would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came.” - Confederate President Jefferson Davis “In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country.” - Robert E Lee 1856 “While we see the Course of the final abolition of human slavery is onward, & we give it the aid of our prayers & all justifiable means in our power we must leave the progress as well as the result in his hands who Sees the end” - Robert E Lee 1856 “I am rejoiced that slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interests of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this, as regards Virginia especially, that I would cheerfully have lost all I have lost by the war, and have suffered all I have suffered, to have this object attained.” - Robert E Lee 1865 “All I think that can now be done, is to aid our noble & generous women in their efforts to protect the graves & mark the last resting places of those who have fallen, & wait for better times.” - Robert E. Lee “I have always been in favor of Emancipation.” - Robert E Lee In an 1863 letter to his home state congressman, Elihu Washburne, Grant summed up his pre-war attitude: “I never was an Abolitionist,” he said, “not even what could be called anti-slavery.” “Slavery exists. It is black in the South, and white in the North.” - Union Vice President Johnson. “We're not fighting for the perpetuation of slavery, but for the principles of states rights and free trade, and in defense of our homes which we were ruthlessly invaded.” -VMI Jewish Cadet Moses Jacob Ezekiel “Abolish the Loyal League and the Ku Klux Klan; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict.” - Nathan Bedford Forrest “African Americans should have the right to vote.” - Confederate Colonel John Salmon Ford The confederate soldier “Fought because he was provoked, intimidated, and ultimately invaded” -James Webb Born Fighting a History of the Scoth-Irish in America “I was fighting for my home, and he had no business being there” -Virginia confederate Soldier Frank Potts List of causes of the Civil War- Harpers Ferry On the night of October 16, 1859, Brown and a band of followers seized the federal arsenal at Harper’s Ferry, Virginia (now West Virginia), in what is believed to have been an attempt to arm a slave insurrection. (Brown denied this at his trial, but evidence indicated otherwise.) They were dislodged by a force of U.S. Marines led by Army lieutenant colonel Robert E. Lee. Brown was swiftly tried for treason against Virginia and hanged. Southern reaction initially was that his acts were those of a mad fanatic, of little consequence. But when Northern abolitionists made a martyr of him, Southerners came to believe this was proof the North intended to wage a war of extermination against white Southerners. Brown’s raid thus became a step on the road to war between the sections. States' Rights The idea of states' rights was not new to the Civil War. Since the Constitution was first written there had been arguments about how much power the states should have versus how much power the federal government should have. The southern states felt that the federal government was taking away their rights and powers. Political power That was not enough to calm the fears of delegates to an 1860 secession convention in South Carolina. To the surprise of other Southern states-and even to many South Carolinians-the convention voted to dissolve the state’s contract with the United States and strike off on its own. South Carolina had threatened this before in the 1830s during the presidency of Andrew Jackson, over a tariff that benefited Northern manufacturers but increased the cost of goods in the South. Jackson had vowed to send an army to force the state to stay in the Union, and Congress authorized him to raise such an army (all Southern senators walked out in protest before the vote was taken), but a compromise prevented the confrontation from occurring. Perhaps learning from that experience the danger of going it alone, in 1860 and early 1861 South Carolina sent emissaries to other slave holding states urging their legislatures to follow its lead, nullify their contract with the United States and form a new Southern Confederacy. Six more states heeded the siren call: Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas. Others voted down secession-temporarily. When President Lincoln called for Volunteers to invade the south, six southern states voted to join the Confederacy. The issue of slavery The burning issue that led to the disruption of the union was the debate over the future of slavery. Secession brought about a war in which the Northern and Western states and territories fought to preserve the Union, and the South fought to establish Southern independence as a new confederation of states under its own constitution. Most of the states of the North, meanwhile, one by one had gradually abolished slavery. A steady flow of immigrants, especially from Ireland and Germany during the potato famine of the 1840s and 1850s, insured the North a ready pool of laborers, many of whom could be hired at low wages, diminishing the need to cling to the institution of slavery. Child labor was also a growing trend in the North. The agrarian South utilized slaves to tend its large plantations and perform other duties. On the eve of the Civil War, some 4 million Africans and their descendants toiled as slave laborers in the South. Slavery was part of the Southern economy although only a relatively small portion of the population actually owned slaves.

@tanker00v25

Жыл бұрын

​@@SouthernGentleman coping so hard you had to post every single myth and piece of irelevant information to convince yourself that war to defend slavery wasn't unambiguously evil

I think the measure of hatred of a symbol can be measured by how often it appears alongside the swastika

I live in Florida and saw a house with the flag on a flagpole

Really liked the video! Didn't know what to expect

If your family heritage is steeped in the hateful history belonging to that flag well then you own it by all means. But please don't deny the truth we all recognize. God bless us ALL!🇺🇸🙏

This reminded me that analyzing controversial topics should be uncomfortable but we still need to do it to move forward. Super interesting video, good job as always!

@SouthernGentleman

2 жыл бұрын

Most Confederate soldiers were under 30. Young boys under 18 sometimes worked as drummer boys. Some, cadets at Southern military academies like the Virginia Military Institute, used their skills as drillmasters to train raw recruits. The VMI cadets even fought in one engagement at the Battle of New Market, May 15, 1864, under the leadership of one of their professors. More than half the Confederate soldiers were farmers, although only a very small percentage of them owned slaves. The others came from many different types of jobs: carpenters, clerks, blacksmiths, and students. Foreigners-men not born in America-also fought for the South. The largest group was the Irish, followed by Germans, British, French, Poles, and Canadians. Texas also contributed Mexican troops. It is not certain how many foreigners fought for the Confederacy, but the number seems to be in the tens of thousands. High, but not nearly as high as the Union figure. Foreigners tended to fight in infantry regiments rather than cavalry or artillery. Black men served the Confederate forces throughout the war in militias, the navy, partisans, artillerymen, and behind the lines as body servants, laborers, and in construction of fortifications. In March of 1865, the Confederate Congress passed a law allowing black men to serve as armed soldiers. Native Americans, organized in three brigades, defended Southern lands in the west. Others were scattered among predominantly white regiments.

A note on the White Supremacist rallies: The irony of seeing the Libertarian flag, a symbol claiming to be in support of individual rights, being flown with the flag of the Nazis, one of the most authoritarian regimes to ever exist which severely diminished the individual rights of much of the population, is incredibly interesting.

@RandomGuy-ft3cj

3 ай бұрын

Most active libertarians today are closer to nazis

@Flamingghost1025

2 ай бұрын

As a libertarian if someone is flying the Nazi flag, they're not a libertarian.

@Monkey-fj3me

Ай бұрын

@@RandomGuy-ft3cj Then they aren't libertarians

@RandomGuy-ft3cj

Ай бұрын

@@Monkey-fj3me they are neo libertarians. The originals were socialist.

I would be scared shitless to do that in public lol, like even if I could reverse time after I did it I would still be awfully scared lol

@dr.aisaitl7439

4 ай бұрын

Seriously, Mr. Beat has some huge balls to do this

I’m and adult learning and Civil War re-e actor who is writing a paper on the Confederate flag. I want to thank you for this piece and clarity on the history of the flag and with its negative association throughout history. Well done!

i appreciate mr beat actually having the courage to hold that flag in order to document the reaction

As someone who has a history degree and specifically spent a lot of time researching the civil war I have complicated feelings about the rebel flag. I completely understand the desire for the south to take pride in their culture and history, I just wish they recognized the confederacy as a blemish rather than a point of pride. As Grant said: "I felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the downfall of a foe who had fought so long and valiantly, and had suffered so much for a cause, though that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought."

Growing up as a kid, And growing up in the Rocky Mountains, I thought of the flag more as a Southern Pride thing than a racially motivated one. And i thought of it more as "the rebel flag" and more as people using it to say "I'm a rebel". Getting older it wasn't until we really started having conversations about Confederate monuments that started making me more aware some people absolutely saw it as a racial issue. Ever the student of history I've continued to learn more about American history, the Civil War, and perhaps more importantly to the discussion about the modern use of the Confederate flag, the post war era, the civil rights era, and modern usage. And I think perhaps it could have turned into a more harmless symbol of general Southern pride. But with a lot of that identity baked in with the proliferation of slavery it does make it more complicated. Part of me wonders if people didn't identify it as a racist symbol if white supremacist groups would have adopted it as much. There is a sort of contrarianism, "if you think it's racist then I'll use it even more just to bother you!" Sort of mentality. But then it does become problematic since it now does have strong association with racist groups. I'm not from the South, so I've never had an affinity for the flag myself. I would never fly it, I would never use its imagery. I went from not being bothered by it in my youth, growing up in the 90s, to questioning what exactly it does mean. But today, I don't know if i have the answer. I definitely think history should be preserved. We should use it to look back and acknowledge that past, and learn from it. But I also don't like overt racism either. And there are other symbols that make me have to ask if I can tolerate them. In the end, freedom of speech wins, and if people want to fly the flag then they should be allowed to. But i think we are having these discussions, what do these symbols mean? And i think it's worth having those discussions until we can come to a conclusion about it. America is in the midst of another culture shift, i think since 2016 things have changed, and the political parties have evolved, and these questions are becoming more pressing. In the coming next two decades we might get closer to figuring out a lot of it. But until then it feels rather chaotic out there. Or maybe I'm just getting old and my personal politics have changed pretty rapidly in the last 10 years. So I'm just feeling it more. But 2008, 2010, and 2016 , and 2020 have felt like pretty big moments where shifts in culture have happened, and some pretty old racial issues have kind of pushed their way into the mainstream yet again.

@suarezguy

7 ай бұрын

Just using the Don't Tread on Me flag would more appealingly convey ideas of general rebellious-ness, appeal to not only the South and not have the tie to slavery.

As always Mr. Beat, a great informative video.

@iammrbeat

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!