The main point of this video is to emphasize two things: 1.) Social VR platforms have a lack of tools to help adults separate themselves from children. Personally I do think that children under 13 shouldn't be on them, it's literally in the rules of most of them, but it's the internet. There's going to be kids. On VRChat (one of THE MOST popular VR games, period.) there is no way to prevent minors from joining certain instances. There are content filters that prevent users under 18 from viewing certain avatars, but nothing that prevents them from going to certain instances. Again, some of the most popular worlds are bars and strip clubs where people are doing what you'd expect. Groups have no way to prevent people under 18 from joining them. Furthermore VRChat's moderation is just bad. Someone can have "I'm 9" in their bio, and not get banned. Even TikTok, which I consider to have pretty abysmal moderation, will ban a user for that. 2.) VR Headsets are not physically accommodating to the majority of children under 13. VR Headsets tend to be 13+ for a reason. These devices do not physically fit a majority of people under that age. The device not being properly secured to the head causes unnecessary neck and back strain, especially to a child who's body might already have trouble supporting a 1 pound device on their head that's properly fitted. The optics systems of these headsets don't accommodate the average ipd ranges (43-58mm) of a child. This leads to eye strain, blurry vision, nausea, and headaches. There's arguments to be made about other devices causing those side effects on kids and even adults. The difference in those cases is that it usually isn't the device causing them, rather poor posture or not taking enough breaks. That can be corrected. The fit of a headset may or may not be able to be corrected for a child. It really depends on the headstrap. The IPD of headsets most definitely can't be corrected for a child. Most of them bottom out at the very upper bound of the average child's IPD. Very few headsets barely dip a bit farther in, the only two I know of being the Quest Pro (55-75mm) and Bigscreen beyond (55-72mm), which are both 1000$+ devices. My point is not that kids shouldn't be online playing video games. My point is that one of the biggest games (that acts more like a social media than anything else), and a lot of other similar smaller ones do practically nothing to protect children, and that some of these children don't even fit the devices properly causing various types of strain that can't be avoided, and probably isn't very healthy.

This is super accurate holy hell- I’ve had to lock VRChat on my oculus because my younger brother tends to try to interact with adults that do some very not so kid friendly stuff online, and will start saying the things he hears in there. He’s 8 years old and saying things like “Suck my d***” and “F*** off” to kids at his school, which has gotten him into a lot of trouble 💀 For now he stays in rec room where there’s at least more kid friendly moderation

@AverageCallOfDutyEnjoyer

Жыл бұрын

I can Agree With My Older Brother Because i am way more mature

@RIVERSIDEREVIEWS

8 ай бұрын

Are you sure he didn't learn all of that from school? Because I learned all my profanity from public school and was cursing like a sailor by the first grade and Im an OG arcade gamer before all the online connectivity existed.

@24hourchallengerman95

6 ай бұрын

i agree but im not saying they shouldnt play vr im saying i would say that the parents should lock the vr so they cant play games like that but the sad thang is that parents dont know how to take care of there kids

@DaDoge.

6 ай бұрын

I dont think anyone under 12 or 13 years old should be playing vr​@@24hourchallengerman95

That’s so true, about every kid I have played with (some were chill though) were either annoying, incredibly rude, or, about 5%, were actually friendly humans. It’s honestly crazy to hear six year olds scream every swear word in existence and then the n-word because they have the n-word pass, and the worst part about it, THEY LEARNED IT FROM THEIR FRIENDS. The annoying ones either keep team-killing, singing trash music WITH SWEAR WORDS, or they go for the good ol’ “HE’S GOT WALL HACKS SPEED HACKS AIMBOT HE’S CHEATING” kind of stuff. Along with that, they usually have a kill-to-death ratio of 1:70. Believe me, I’ve become good at Zero Caliber and I’ve been called some of the most obnoxious things by little kids. Now, thankfully, there are some nice goblins out there. These ones aren’t too good at the game, but they act very mature for their age. Now, as how to deal with the bad goblins who insult you: I go with saying the comeback no human has ever survived: “Well you’re a poopyhead!” Talking to them nicely and trying to resolve the issue also works I forgot everything I wrote

@Jacobfov

5 ай бұрын

That's not even something I think is particularly exclusive to VR. They pick that stuff up from just being on the internet in general and having parents that don't care that their child is saying some of the most vile things known to man

@BOT_MAXIMUS

5 ай бұрын

@@Jacobfov Yeah for sure It makes me a bit sad

In pavlov a shooter game if you sound slightly young you will get spawn killed and kicked

@BOT_MAXIMUS

5 ай бұрын

Or the other way around (Buncha kids kicking someone with a deeper voice)

@dollas8209

5 ай бұрын

@@BOT_MAXIMUS I’ve never seen that happen

@BOT_MAXIMUS

5 ай бұрын

@@dollas8209 I’ve only heard the rumors Apparently it’s very rare

VR experiences are just like any other place. It can be what architects and owners want it to be, so the same rules you apply for your child's personal safety in real life can be applied here with little modification, such as locking your setup, putting it away fully, etc..

i agree. when i got my quest 1 when i was 10, i knew there where adults, i knew there less than desirable things for a kid to hear on it, i knew there where platforms that weren't exactly "made for kids." so any time i would boot up VR chat, i would stick to private rooms, rooms with few people, or rooms where i could make an easy get away until i was certain that the people where fairly young. now im 13 with a quest 2 and still do it and still know that VR chat isnt made for people who are 13, but im mentally mature to the point where i laugh at a few adult jokes, but that still doesn't mean im allowed in places like that. mental maturity isnt everything.

I completely agree with this, I’m glad I wasn’t a little kid annoying people on multiplayer, I played pretty much ONLY single player games cause they were comforting to me, whenever I did play multiplayer games I was always player 2, and that was when I very rarely DID play multiplayer games, and sure I didn’t play “appropriate” single player games (the walking dead saints and sinners) and that’s carried over to me today.

No wonder so many of us put up with abuse. Amiright-!? Mom? Dad? Hello? 😂😢

@PizzaVR277

5 ай бұрын

that's depressing

i was in a lobby with a child THAT COULDNT READ

@Dr.H2010

5 ай бұрын

WHAT THE HELL? How do young children even get access to VR? At an age where they can't even READ?

Man yes vrchat I never go into public lobbies ever anymore

i honestly think that vr chat is perfectly ok for teens and adults but definitely not for children. kids ages 14+ shouldnt be barred from vr chat in its entirety because its probably one of the better vr social games (rec room just.. looks bad tbh, and a lot of the playerbase is YOUNG kids) my personal opinion is that similar to youtube, there should be 18+ experiences for adults who want to do adult things (so basically substance use and s*xual subjects) and if a child is found entering those worlds they should get banned once reported (which adults who dont want kids all up in their space will definitely do, and its typically not hard to tell if someones faking being 18) honestly though for now, teens that are on vr should be taught to be responsible (mute adults/people talking abt adult subjects, block adults trying to engage innapropriately with minors, etc.) bc youre never going to 100% prevent kids from using vrc, so the best we can do for now is to teach them to be safe.

@Jacobfov

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, they recently added content gating, but it really isn't the most useful thing in the world.

@YoYoWasg69420

5 ай бұрын

I'm 14 and I see all types of shit in the game. Thanks to my genes whenever people hear me talk they think im an adult so i engage in conversations im not supposed to be engaging in. I kinda agree with this statement but my dad wouldnt limit me to games like vrc but instead he'd teach me the time and place to say certain things. I do say some things I shouldn't be saying in the game and whenever I hear a kid that sounds pretty young i'd try to censor myself or teach them "hey this person is kinda bad" or inform them that they're way too young to be playing the game. I definitely think most teens should be limited but as long as they aren't a pain in the ass or saying every single swear word they could think of in every sentence i think we should let them loose.

I agree with you 100%, but in VRchat and elsewhere, it's not about censoring yourself. I'm 27 and find a lot of people and worlds repulsive, to be honest. There are worlds where that's perfectly fine, some clubs that are mean't to have some spicy stuff, and I don't want to act like a priest but to being an adult doesn't mean I have to see porn everywhere I go, I would want to see this in public as well. In VRchat it's unfortunately the case that most people only walk around with such sexualized models that belong in private worlds and even actually seemingly innocent and pretty worlds have alot lewd stuff in it. I find it rather sad that the whole VRchat turned halfways into this a porn game. But no matter if you like it or not, Kids should not be there, I saw some shit there, kids playing with models that have a massive D*** or talking like trash. It's certainly not exactly healthy for their psyche. VRchat should be for +18 only... at least not for 13y old kids!

Can I also mention, nearly 99% of the times its underage children running around in NSFW avatars and forcing everyone around them to witness that? It's the most gross thing ever. No absolutely no kid should be on vrchat. It should be 18+ with the kind of content that people easily have access too. Literally the only reason kids are on here is cause tupper cares about Money, not child saftey. Or even adults saftey for that matter. They literally have rec room, they can stay there.

@fatboyinasandpit3434

5 ай бұрын

The amount of time I've seen straight up children with NSFW avatars is insane. Where are their parents??

@GengarFan1997

5 ай бұрын

@@fatboyinasandpit3434 *Gone. Reduced to atoms.*

I got my quest 2 when I was 9 (turning 10 at that time now I'm 13) and wowie were there things I should've never seen. I first downloaded some harmless games like Echo Arena, some goblin pet game and you guessed it, VRChat. Now since "The Boys"(Brush Guys) were my favorite youtubers, I was a brush kiddie but only for a short time. After that I had an anime phase but then I found the unholy grail of E-Boy/GIrl avatars. Man oh man was I disgusted but they grew on me. One day I visited the black cat and was I disgusted by the things that happened there. In conclusion, you are so right, children shouldn't be on apps like VRC. (Note that I was more "maturer" than the kids around my age and also a Tech-Smartass.)

@raycoilz

6 ай бұрын

same but i was a big blade and sorcery player

@BSPLASH0

5 ай бұрын

right now your like 1 year above me and the quest 3 fits like butter smooth and i enjoyed it even when i see some bad things i just forget about it

@thatgmoddude3916

5 ай бұрын

i got my quest at the same age too. but i was warned about vr chat from watching yt so im sorry u had to see those things

@YoYoWasg69420

5 ай бұрын

For me i was watching r rated films when i was 9 without my parents knowing. When I got to vrchat i wasn't fully disgusted at the things i saw because i've seen worse but I definitely found it a bit cringe. I remember asking myself "why do these people just stare at a mirror or lay down with eachother for hours in a virtual game?" Or "does this person really have to have an extremely revealing avatar?" I have no problem with these people talking and shit but some of these people don't even talk to eachother and just jerk off with their headset on. But ofc there's the good side of vrchat with mature and funny people and even the kids who've matured. I def think kids shouldn't be in vrc in the first place but i would actually try and censor myself around these kids. (Tbh that's just me i dont rlly give a shit what other people do unless they're whipping out an nsfw avatar).

vr is THE GREATEST CONSLE YOU CAN OWN. you would be a awful parent (if you are, I feel bad to your kid)

@Noa15Lv

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, really depends how you're using the VR. I've used to dance alot in VRC, really dropped my bodyweight & legs felt everything in the next day.

"There really isn't anything similar to it[age gating]on VRchat..." VRChat Age Gating: "Have no fear! Allow me to introduce myself!"

We all just need to be aware about the fact that playing online multiplayer games with random strangers can be sometimes dangerous and risky.. I've heard that so many kids and underaged people who are under 18 getting groomed, cyberbullied, and harassed while playing Roblox, VR Chat, rec room, and other online multiplayer games.

i am so happy i grew up on the original psvr and was a rec room kid

Sorta depends too on everything i guess also if breaks are taken

I'm under the age of 18 and I just really make games and omg I had to add a age verification because there was so many kids using my mods and cosmetics for bad things how?! I play VR like 1h 30m testing or playing games and also I made a mod for parents were it blocks all bad avatars it checks the code and models of the avatar and boom it's gone

adults need more protection against children on vr games

sadly, i was once one of those kids just thankfully i didn’t come across no inappropriate things in vrchat. having access to a phone at a young age did some bad stuff to my mind, it’s insane how you can easily find some absolutely awful, disgusting videos. i’ve seen some, all out of curiosity that i wish i never had. i hope children don’t have to make my mistakes especially in vr.

God forbid a kid have fun am i right?

i used vr since i was 11, nothing was wrong it was all comfortable and i saw normal things on vr chat, i heard hen!ai sounds but im used to it since some years later im in puberty and everyone knows people in puberty watch some.. stuff. if there was gore its also normal i saw most traumatizing gore which gave me nightmares when i was young but are normal now. Edit: I also became vrchat user today, it was so chilling other than the anime girl moaning and sounds. i became a goose

I'm looking at the comments and people are saying that they were rec room kids and they are glad they grew up with that. Once in a while, I get bored so I go on Rec Room and honestly I can see that the game is slowly becoming inappropriate.. Its not the games on it though, its the players. Yes most of them are children but a slight majority of them are adults, or teens of the age 13-17. I hear them talk about NSFW in games that are clearly targeted to a young audience. I don't know if this is just happening to me or if its for everyone else.

@Jacobfov

5 ай бұрын

At least Rec Room has junior accounts for players under 13

Gladly I was a rec room kid 🙏

I NEEDED A VIDEO LIKE THIS TY

Me: Fifteen years old gambling in fallout new vegas like an addiction, knowing in real life I'm going to be homeless in the future after betting all my life savings away in blackjack.

the quest 2 is 10+ right now

I miss when vr required a pc, very rarely would you ever find anyone under the age of 18

Amen to everything you said!

Why isn't this video getting enough attention, this is pretty reasonable.

But yet kids are meant to be on this game "13+ Game" i would seriously like to record and make a arguement video with you, seriously.

I get what you are trying to say but stop steriotyping kids (sorry for the bad spelling) because at the end of the day everyone is different

4:46 Yes, Google does.

Nah cuz quest 3 does nothing like the ipd. I fell like now with parent accounts, then meta pretty much made it clear that they have parent accounts FOR kids and can ve monitered. I agree VR chat nothing over 13.

5:07 VRC soon its about to make that a thing but yeah there are other ways to bypass that (like in roblox how ppl are bypassing 17+ games)

Meta now has like id verification with an ai that tracks what you do to check if you're a kid if it is certain it will brick your headset or smth

(SPLATOON SIGHTED) and yeah I think VR should be at least 15 plus

I litterly agree to that, kids should stay in rec room. I miss going to murder lobbys and knowing there are people just in my ages around, nowa days i need 10- 20 minutes to find a normal (non Childrin) Lobby..

hola hermano, me gustas mucho, espero que te vuelvas muy famoso algún día, mucho éxito para ti 😊

Keep em off VR chat, not the vr

You're right kids should go outside and play in the streets like in yee olden days because heaven forbid they stay inside and play video games... As an old school gamer who grew up in arcades where I could have been physically grabbed by some creeper and tossed into a van ..I think they're safer these days over-all..

@mrfacephone

6 ай бұрын

I used to think kids should be outside playing too until I had kids of my own and realized just how untrustworthy the general public is anymore. I'm just fine with mine chilling in their room socializing with their friends and having fun where I know they are safe. I get the feeling this person does not have children themselves.

@SirromMorris

6 ай бұрын

Honestly good but please have them cast their headset’s screen to one of your devices when they play and make sure they’re playing with well behaved people! Or get on your PC/VR headset and play with them yourself! some adults (and some teens) purposefully expose kids to horrible avatars or behavior just for a laugh, I met some kid claiming to be seven years old in a movie world and some teenager’s first reaction was to change into an avatar with nsfw toggles to freak the kid out.

@alwaysyouramanda

5 ай бұрын

A stick and a broken casset tape went hard in the 90s

@Gorillatag334

5 ай бұрын

No

@Jacobfov

5 ай бұрын

Someone can chill in their room and socialize with friends with things like a computer, console, phone, or tablet, these devices do not cause harm to them when used in a proper manner. This video is specifically about VR Headsets, a wearable device, a head mounted wearable device. VR Headsets tend to be 13+ for a reason. These devices do not physically fit a majority of people under that age. The device not being properly secured to the head causes unnecessary neck and back strain, especially to a child who's body might already have trouble supporting a 1 pound device on their head that's properly fitted. The optics systems of these headsets don't accommodate the average ipd ranges of a child. This leads to eye strain, blurry vision, nausea, and headaches. There's arguments to be made about other devices causing those side effects on kids and even adults. The difference in those cases is that it usually isn't the device causing them, rather poor posture or not taking enough breaks. That can be corrected. The fit of a headset may or may not be able to be corrected for a child. It really depends on the headstrap. The IPD of headsets most definitely can't be corrected for a child. Most of them bottom out at the very upper bound of the average child's IPD. Very few headsets barely dip a bit farther in, the only two I know of being the Quest Pro and Bigscreen beyond, which are both 1000$+ devices. It isn't a matter of kids shouldn't be inside playing videogames, it's a matter of kids shouldn't be using devices that are unable to physically accommodate them.

Did you just compare VR to drugs?

Yeah, Maybe give kids a VR headset a little later in life

Thanks for pointing out the IPD issue. It's the most concerning issue that Meta as the market leader has unfortunately not cared enough about. I'm also hopeful that Roblox going VR will steer the kids that way and away from VR Chat. Remembering what it's like being a kid, the main reason kids are drawn to things intended for older audiences is because it is often glaringly obvious the content intended for them is low effort garbage by comparison. If someone were to choose between Roblox and VR Chat on a pure "fun" level, I'd say Roblox wins hands down, and that's a win-win to me.

@Jacobfov

5 ай бұрын

At least they moved away from the 3 fixed IPD points the Quest 2 had when they made the 3. Even people who fit the headset correctly were having problems with it.

A kid called me a racial slur on VRCHAT wth

sadly had to agree!! Opinions rule

I agree it is so annoying it be hearing kids all the time, meta needs to advertise parental controls more because these kids are annoying lol

But what if your really tall and still a kid like me my head still fits

@notzenny

5 ай бұрын

same

vr is a safe space, rather IT COULD'VE been but people ruined it, being adults who couldn't even follow the actual rules

Its because most parents these days rely on technology

@wizardfoxangel5300

6 ай бұрын

And Because of Covid 😢

I gamble so much in vr i am broke i am only 14

ipad kids on a whole new level

Dont care im gonna keep playing HL2 vr for 5 hours straight

just tell them to stay away from the furry servers pal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

luckily i wasnt that dumb of a kid

@YoYoWasg69420

5 ай бұрын

Same lol

Block and Mute are a thing.

says the furry. lol

vrchat is rate 13+ on the meta store WHY

@A1achl0r

6 ай бұрын

because before a bunch of degens got a hold of it and started being degens it was kid friendly I mean look at the og avatars on the game its all from old cartoons or just cool characters now majority of it is shirtless e-boys or e-girls with almost no clothing

The problem as old as the internet, Nay as old as time. Summervacation was a time where children were able to work the fields in olden times, and these kids would go to school in the last week of harvesting time because they would get into bars and drink the last bits of beer in the glasses in bars from the harvesting festival. Teachers would take them to school a week early (during the harvesting festival) to keep them out of trouble. Keeping children out of adult spaces is a problem. Forbidding children from these spaces is one solution. But as you said, they will find a way in. Refraining from having these spaces is another. Remember, VR is in the end, an entertainment medium. Just like TV and Videogames. It CAN be used for education purposes. But first and foremost, it is a toy. So children (13 and up) will play with it. Having an application that is just for adults is possible. But that's just it, you would have to wall it off from children, like most applications meant for adults now (gambling games, realistic shooters, horror, etc.) but still, children will find a way to it, or ask their parents to get it for them and they sometimes (if they are bad parents) will. So... The solution? Ban the physical addresses of the headsets IMHO. If you can't protect a child from the internet in VR, that VR headset shouldn't be allowed on the internet. Irresponsibility breeds stupidity. If the users are not responsible, remove their sets from the net for 6 months. See how quickly they learn. They still don't learn? make it 12! Again? 24! Pretty soon, the kid will be an adult anyway.

I mean they should stay away from the furries because almost every groomer ive met in vrc has been a furry.

to bad.

Gay alert

I have 12 and, i'll buy the quest 3, don't give a shit, because, if i'm not toxic, don't have any sense ban me

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Get kids off the Internet, period.

i do agree with this but my manz you cannot be talking your a furry