Lots of contractors pay below minimum wage and chase profits over quality and safety.

@MusehanaH

15 күн бұрын

100% but sometimes developers are to blame. They squeeze these contractors to bankruptcy

@MightyBlackPanther

15 күн бұрын

how did they get those permits in the first place , where was the DA government oversight

@vivianwhite2430

15 күн бұрын

Some of the contractors in southern cape over charge, rip people off and for the most part incompetent. Been through a few

@MightyBlackPanther

15 күн бұрын

@@vivianwhite2430Where was the DA while this was happening

@MrShannonmoll

13 күн бұрын

@@MightyBlackPanther Was this a government funded project?

Thank you all for your hard work at this time please respect all Lets not put in the blame game and politics lets save lives

WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION ENGINEER INSPECTED THE BUILDING DURING THE TIME THAT IT WAS ONLY 2 STORIES HIGH? ITS ALLEGED SINCE THAT TIME THERE WERE SIGNS OF INSTABILITY AND THEY CONTINUED AS NORMAL ANYWAY!!!??? WHY CANT THEY NAME THAT CONSTRUCTION ENGINEER THAT DID THAT INSPECTION???

@mv4770

15 күн бұрын

Also the council building inspectors said that they were very long ago

@Cent51

15 күн бұрын

It an active investigation and it not name and shame time.. You don't want people doing something stupid without all the facts.

@user-md4op6ko3y

15 күн бұрын

It appears also the support pillars might not of been 100% dry but this is still speculation

@mixi2090

15 күн бұрын

Because they fear people with pitch forks lie you. Wait for the investigation to be done like the report on state capture. Only het your pitch fork out once the report is out.

@Blimzio

15 күн бұрын

please don't write in caps, it's considered shouting. we can understand you just fine if you write normal. your message is not more important if you write it in caps

The public must get answers ....no cover ups . Truth .

@MrShannonmoll

13 күн бұрын

I disagree. The public doesn't need anything. The families of those affected need answers. That's all.

@DumaM-ir7rk

13 күн бұрын

@leoniea138 Madam you know South Africans are expensive? So they say we must go back and they will hire cheap Mozambican and Zimbabwean and other black Africans because we are lazy. That’s what happen because this guys worked day and night to complete the project. They didn’t rest on weekends 😂 . Most of them are strong but they didn’t have basic bricklaying training. So DA must sort it out now

So sorry for the families involved...

So the government authorities have never inspected the building site, they only relied on the construction company's Professional engineers to check the work?

@Cent51

15 күн бұрын

It outside of the scope of building inspector. You also forgot, NHBRC was part of the project..

@FrankMijn

15 күн бұрын

Yes they do inspect certain stages of a development, it is however up to independent engineers and architects to do the full investigation.

@shokolok5514

15 күн бұрын

Exactly!!! Why are the contractors now being told to stay quiet during investigations? They must speak up!!!! We know there were issues reported by some of the site workers but NO the show must go on and now here we are with victims as young as 19 years old in that rubble. Peoples live are ruined because of pure ignorance and negligence man

@bongamawela6339

14 күн бұрын

Alan says it's not time to play politics, which i agree but he would have played the same politics if this happened in place governed by ANC. We would not hear the end of lt. Accusations of corruption woyld abound but now it's not time to play politics really!!

@DumaM-ir7rk

13 күн бұрын

@shokolok5514 Poor illegal immigrants paid penuts because locals who did bricklaying are expensive

Another problem is developers that want everything cheap and don't pay professionals appropriately but rather bribe to fast track their project without any accountability.

Condolences to the victims of that disaster but what is surprising this is happening in a 'well-run and competent province'?

@user-md4op6ko3y

15 күн бұрын

If can happen in any Provence depends on who the construction company is were the fully competent and qualified IE site engineer foreman workers

@MusehanaH

15 күн бұрын

...can happen anywhere!

@user-md4op6ko3y

15 күн бұрын

Please elaborate on what you are implying

@MightyBlackPanther

15 күн бұрын

@@user-md4op6ko3y DApartheid apologist , how did they get the permits in the first place

@user-md4op6ko3y

15 күн бұрын

I am not even going to respond to pure ignorant racist philosophy of Apparheid mentality do us all a favour and go live in another Provence under the rot of the ANC you're not welcome in our beutifull City Mr so called Black Panther

This will happen again…… ..unfortunately…..poor/corrupt contractors, poor corrupt officials/inspectors, badly trained or unqualified engineers/workers…..and just getting worse…….

@leoniea138

15 күн бұрын

Check architects reports from outlay up...

@mv4770

15 күн бұрын

​@leoniea138 you literally submit plans to build a building without an engineers signoff.

@user-md4op6ko3y

15 күн бұрын

It seems like the concrete support pillars were not 100% dry this makes sense but at this stage still speculation until an investigation is done this will take time they are still focussed working through the night to rescue any more survivors

@user-js5fe5kt4j

8 күн бұрын

Absolutely 100% correct it's going to get worse with all these fly by nights

Condolences to the families. My question where was NHBRC and how did they miss such a disaster? Did the contractor follow the Architects plan and engineers drawings and what is the geotech report of this site. I hope there was no bribery involved. Unfortunately we have people that don't respect the profession

Name the company

@MusehanaH

15 күн бұрын

NeoTrend Group is the developer...buck stops with them essentially 😬

@DumaM-ir7rk

13 күн бұрын

😂 but the company is white owned . White excellence and now you are shamed to own up? The owner is Carel Swanepoel And director is Theuns Kruger,. Atleast we didn’t have black ownership here

Not the time to play politics? Really? After the Bree Street explosion and the building fires in Johannesburg, the DA was very happy "playing politics"???

@mmathabomaibelo6276

15 күн бұрын

Exactly!!!!!

@aimhigh3701

15 күн бұрын

The building that collapsed was not under the management or control of the DA. It's a private property that was being developed into an apartment block. There is a big difference between a public road controlled by the ANC and a private property. I apologise if this is all a bit too complicated for you to understand. I came to terms with the low IQ in this country long ago.

@bluewhitebluewhite7429

15 күн бұрын

Low IQ? That’s generous

@MightyBlackPanther

15 күн бұрын

@@aimhigh3701 The build that caught on fire was also not under The ANC but belonged to an NGO but still DApartheid ran with the narrative

@AdvocateMkunqwana

15 күн бұрын

​@@aimhigh3701so the Democratic Alliance was correct to play "Politics" in those unfortunate instances? Is that what you are saying?

You will find that the building contractors has done something wrong that caused the collapse

@MusehanaH

15 күн бұрын

...but corners

@user-md4op6ko3y

15 күн бұрын

Apparently the concrete support pillars were not 100% dry but this is just speculation for now a full investigation will take place and I've no doubt that someone will have to answer and action will be taken the SAPS are involved in the investigation

Thanks to rescue teams involved. You guys are the true dark knights. The only ones who truly appreciate your sacrifice are the ones who's lives you save.

Who are the design engineers? Who is the contractor? Who is the project manager?

Blame apartheid

@MightyBlackPanther

15 күн бұрын

No its the lack of Oversight which the government is responsible for, you can guess who that government is

Seriously....look at all the old Government buildings and churches my father built in this town ,, still standing strong . Weathered all the storms ....and i had to learn about construction when i was a kid ....(> my brothers and i *)....

It appears that the building collapsed into the underground carpark and it looks like very bad structual support pillars not strong enough to carry the weight who was the construction company building these appartments where were the structual enginerrs and site foremen were these people fully qualified this shoul never happen an investigation will take time but the truth will come and no dought action will be taken against the people responsible for this disaster

Did Polani answer the question in English? Please translate?

glad the ANC or EFF is not in charge of the rescue operation

People must stop following social media for this...and focus on their prayers and only listen to the official updates ..

Why is the SABC audio and video so crappy???

Is the building owners from george or out side the county

Please 🙏 explain

What a disaster..😢

I wish we had a president like this instead of the no where to be seen Ramaphosa.

When a politician says "don't make it a political matter"

Please people this is not the time and place to look for loop holes and blame anybody. We must rather prayer that those people must be rescued quick. Stop playing politics.

@MightyBlackPanther

15 күн бұрын

Spoken like a REAL DApartheid apologist

@WoahMate-dl3ex

15 күн бұрын

​@@MightyBlackPantherI'm still young so I apologize, but why are we calling them DApartheid, is it because of their involvement in apartheid or are there new resurfaced things? Yet again, sorry for not being informed.

@jabulanismith

15 күн бұрын

​@@WoahMate-dl3exStart by studying South African history, then global history as to how it influenced the end of apartheid, namely the cold War influence on South africa. Then research socialism and capitalism. Lastly study the big political manifestos

@scrunchy7528

14 күн бұрын

​@@jabulanismithyou are a race-hustler... And people are sick and tired of being accused of being things they are not just because you cant let go of the past... This is about whats happening today... And you can't blame everything on rasism... Time to build another world or stay stuck in the past

@marthienel2190

14 күн бұрын

​@@MightyBlackPantherrace hustler.

This is a private development and contractor not a DA tender.

@DumaM-ir7rk

13 күн бұрын

But municipal engineers must come to site. This is DA municipal

The problem is greed... The developers and estate agents don't care for the lives of workers sites or citizens that end up paying millions for cheaply unsafe buildt apartment blocks.... Karma... How about housing for millions of shack dwellers.... Longterm solutions....why is a basic human societal need being denied to people.... The da should stop approving airbnb buildings and build housing for real citizens and locals....

Will there be ACCOUNTABILITY FROM CONTRACTORS ENGINEERS INSPECTORS & ALL WHO COULD NOT HAVE BEEN SUPRISED

@shokolok5514

14 күн бұрын

The workers are told to keep quiet during investigations and we want to encourage them to speak up😭

@MrShannonmoll

13 күн бұрын

​@@shokolok5514 Labour is not qualified to make comments in a situation like this. This should be a completely independent and impartial investigation. There are more than enough qualified professionals within the correct professional bodies that will form part of the PE to investigate this. And I 100% believe that they take no prisoners in this regard. Look at what happened in Tongaat a few years ago. As long as the same process is followed, there should be only factual information presented to the public

@MrShannonmoll

13 күн бұрын

@janinespencer1113, Yes. There are construction regulations in place and all relevant parties will be held legally liable

@DumaM-ir7rk

13 күн бұрын

@ MrShannonmoll labour must ask for the identity book first because it looks like they have illegal foreigners. Dear labour has every right to investigate. What is labour compensation for. They need to know how it happened . If the building collapsed when it was occupied by the tenants you are right but it collapsed on workers. They have to claim for COIDA so they must answer just like you claim from your insurance policy .

@DumaM-ir7rk

13 күн бұрын

@ MrShannonmoll typical white male answer with arrogance that they will never to answer to blacks. Labour has every right to investigate and charge the owner. First we need to know if the guys are registered and their skills and if they are legal here. We need to know if they can be compensated under labour insurance

And the EFF. No red overalls in sight. Sad

@brayton6683

15 күн бұрын

Why should they be ???

@daleenalberts5829

14 күн бұрын

@@brayton6683 to support the families of the missing people. To help comfort the people they want to vote for them.!!! !!!

@zanstella

11 күн бұрын

You are mad

This so much bigger thn politics THERES PEOPLE IN PAIN AND DYING YALL BE MISSING THE POINT

That place is a crime scene DA must unswer

@funkdunk

15 күн бұрын

No they must not answer, they are not the SAPS ...you're very confused because your party interferes where it shouldn't...

@Kingskagg

15 күн бұрын

Yes they must answer they gave permits to the contractors

@GershwinKock

15 күн бұрын

its not a municipal building

@luzukondyalvan6694

15 күн бұрын

@@GershwinKock plans are submitted to the council not SAPS, plans are approved by council...inspections are conducted by council

@Cent51

15 күн бұрын

​​@@luzukondyalvan6694 But if you knew more, you would know, there is a private engineer and arcitech that take full responsibility over the site and construction.. Also NHBRC is also part of the project.. The engineers override the building inspectors all day every day.. The inspectors can only make sure by laws and building regulations is being followed to a degree. Everything else falls on the engineer to sign off on..

Building inspector didn't do his/her job

So the Developer, NeoTrend Group's took their website down...🤔

DA linked companies

@karelgericke9172

15 күн бұрын

Bullshit ,the tender goes to the best company on the tender list with a secure background,not always the cheapest .The people that authorized the tender/ contract are .politicians not flippin engineers etc.In any building project is specification, spec c etc ,which engineers and building inspectors watch very careful to ensure that it is followed. How can you blame the DA for this and want answers from them.Yes the DA will surely get answers and reasons for this disaster but you can't blame them for what has happen.If a contractor build you a house and it falls apart are you going to blame yourself????.

@JVan-ic6ic

14 күн бұрын

@@karelgericke9172” are you going to blame yourself?” Couldn’t say it any better.

@glennborrageiro6257

13 күн бұрын

BS not a DA tender private developer and contractor.

@karelgericke9172

13 күн бұрын

@@glennborrageiro6257 Thanks for the info so glad you help us right because immediately they blamed the DA.

The ANC help ordinary South Africans...are you crazy?? They've done to SA what has been done to that building with millions of blacks suffering...

@MusehanaH

15 күн бұрын

Still, the ANC is not in charge of the George municipality where this incident happen. You're not going to sweep the DA rubbish under ANC carpet 🙃

@funkdunk

15 күн бұрын

@@MusehanaH yes thats why its a world class town unlike the towns run by the Nazis aka the ANC...crumbling infrastructure, no water, no jobs, businesses closed, no maintenance, just ineptitude from a bunch of thieves and thugs...

This is not politic But ANC and the DA same whatsap group vote them out.

Maybe inspectors will start being inspected at last in all industries 😢

CPUT ENGINEERS, SAME ENGINEERS WHO BLEW UP CALTEX IN MILNERTON

If this happened in an ANC run area ?! I tell you the DA would have jumped on the opportunity including its loyalist attacking the tendering system and BEE. The truth is this country is afflicted by corruption from thr public and private sector but because of racism corruption will always be black

@marthienel2190

14 күн бұрын

Are you saying that the race infused tendering and quota system in South Africa have NOT contributed to the substandard houses and roads so prevalent in our country?

@DumaM-ir7rk

13 күн бұрын

@ marthienel2190 do you acknowledge how you have benefited from Apartheid? Do you acknowledge you have kept the spoils of war and you have crimes against humanity that you never answered

@marthienel2190

13 күн бұрын

@DumaM-ir7rk i worked very very hard for the little I have. So did my parents.Double shifts. Scrimping and saving. One observation: In other African countries where there was NO apartheid the whites and Indians have all rose to the upper end of the economic chain. Now why is that, do you think? Divine intervention?

@DumaM-ir7rk

12 күн бұрын

@ marthienel2190 let me remind you I am the devil himself nonbeliever in case you think I am your christian or belong to any denomination . So I am black and I have not gained from BEE and hard working for myself. Hard work according to you is working for Eskom or Telkom or any other white company that pays you more at the expense of other black workers I guess. Show me any country that was not colonised and how the coloniser destroy infrastructure when they leave.

@DumaM-ir7rk

12 күн бұрын

Zimbabweans and Mozambique was destroyed by South African apartheid after their liberation. This was to ensure 100% dependency on white South Africans

Which Citizens? You mean Malawian and Mozambique citizens!! There’s no South African Citizen trapped there. Another cheap labor contractor that is going to be protected by sweeping regulations under the carpet.

@DumaM-ir7rk

13 күн бұрын

@ lindilevincent4180 corporate South Africa has money and regulators on this country in all industries they now to the capitalist who happen to be white by default

@DumaM-ir7rk

13 күн бұрын

Every restaurant in this country and every retailer in this country hired illegal immigrants who are so arrogant and disrespectful to the locals. Now every call centre and street vendors are foreigners who have one parents from South Africa and one from outside the country. This one parents 99% of the time is a women not men

Are the workers South Africans ??...

Structural problem

@MrShannonmoll

13 күн бұрын

You don't reckon there might have been a sudden shift of material on the basement level? You do know that angle of repose exists right? Was it backfilled already? Or battered? Shored? What method was used here? Please explain so that I can also know what you know

It is time be Political ! Inexpensive agenda of building " when possible more than 600,000 rand's for quality control material for constructing building is in pockets or reserve for private restaurants throughout Capetown

O no. There are livfes to be saved. Talk later. Winde hou many brick did you carry away. If they whant to save lifes you need wheelbarrow and shuffels to clean up. Those people standing around. O no.😢😢

Incompetence

Was this company BEE bla bla ? Cause that will explain every thing.....

@MrShannonmoll

13 күн бұрын

All companies need to be BEE compliant. And just to let you know, MOST BEE companies I know, have competent people in place. They don't necessarily pay the people as much as the corporates, but I've personally been contacted multiple times by BEE companies offering me a position due to my experience and qualifications. So we can't point fingers in that direction.

@lappieslabuschagne2428

13 күн бұрын

@@MrShannonmoll bs !

@DumaM-ir7rk

13 күн бұрын

@ lappieslabuschagne2428 apartheid beneficiaries who kept the spoils of war and now they are morally upright

@lappieslabuschagne2428

13 күн бұрын

@@DumaM-ir7rk really and the fact that blind liberals like you cant see the reality is unbeliveable. If you are pro-bbbbeeee, did you at least get another coloure of wife with even more bastered kids an live between thoùse you love so much where you fit in . If not i suggest you move to those areas where you will fit right in and feel at home......

Smells like a DA COVER UP

BBEE DISASTER

@ManqobaMZungu

15 күн бұрын

Uyanya msunu wakho

@DumaM-ir7rk

13 күн бұрын

@ drinivanderberg2967 company is owned by whites and all board members are whites. We don’t have black South Africans but illegal immigrant. Black people must see what people for who they are an dwhy they must never trust whites who destabilised Zimbabwe and Mozambique so that all this blacks can rely on South African whites

Anc cadres, friends or family who got the job, no experience at all, ANC written all over it

@siyabongajacobdlamini1764

15 күн бұрын

😂

@mmathabomaibelo6276

15 күн бұрын

Oh okay the ANC is in the Western Cape?

@busipieterson6802

15 күн бұрын

Lol this is western cape remember

@MightyBlackPanther

15 күн бұрын

Typical DApartheid apologist peanut brain always pointing finger while 3 are pointing back at you

@TheKingMaker_101

15 күн бұрын

I too do not support the ANC but man, you are programmed.

Anc don't want to help

@funkdunk

15 күн бұрын

There's no money in it for them, if you throw them money then they're there ...but they're a useless racist bunch of thugs on an ordinary winter's day

@siyabongajacobdlamini1764

15 күн бұрын

With what exactly.

@m00nsamy

13 күн бұрын

Plans approved by a DA municipality. Constructed by Liatel Development and Neo Trend Construction, both white owned companies. So, who would be incompetent now?

This nonsense explanation

BBeeeeee

@janinespencer1113

15 күн бұрын

I never thought of that but people think the Peter plateau is a joke in SA

@m00nsamy

13 күн бұрын

Plans approved by a DA municipality. Constructed by Liatel Development and Neo Trend Construction, both white owned companies. So, who would be incompetent now?

BBEE Disaster. It should never have happened😢. My prayers for the trapped workers and their families

@MightyBlackPanther

15 күн бұрын

DApartheid Apologist

@m00nsamy

13 күн бұрын

Plans approved by a DA municipality. Constructed by Liatel Development and Neo Trend Construction, both white owned companies. So, who would be incompetent now?

@DumaM-ir7rk

13 күн бұрын

@ liespypolygraph the name of the companies are readily available. cIPRO will tell you who are the owners . The illegal immigrant don’t count as BEE and if they have BEE candidates then show me their names and in what capacity because whites hire black candidates in a position of HR and they prefer women who won’t make change as they agree to all lies that the boss is telling them

DA is to be blamed for this mess

@woodenmonster

15 күн бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, keep on voting ANC.

@GershwinKock

15 күн бұрын

why? Its not a municipal building or project

@Kingskagg

15 күн бұрын

They give their friends permits to build dodgy buildings now they want to cover up

@Cent51

15 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@user-md4op6ko3y

15 күн бұрын

Please be careful before you make ignorant comments on something based on your illiterate presumption

BEE ? No surprises

@m00nsamy

13 күн бұрын

Plans approved by a DA municipality. Constructed by Liatel Development and Neo Trend Construction, both white owned companies. So, who would be incompetent now?

BBBEEEEE

Typical SA, the people working on the collapsed building are under threat of the bogey man and the tokiloshiy.

Wake up, its all politics politics and more politics. Its all granstanding, why, its voting day coming up.