feels like a 50 class gpu sold under a 60 class name and has a price of a 70 class , nvidia , truly an art

@haukikannel

Жыл бұрын

= profit!

@devindykstra

Жыл бұрын

Amen! Every GPU has this problem this gen! Even at the top of the stack, the 4080 has a medium 70-class die and is priced like a Titan.

@benjaminsmekens2344

Жыл бұрын

@@devindykstra Unironically the only thing worth buying is the 4090, I've had one since launch and it's a great GPU. I don't know what got in to them to F up the entire stack beneath it...

@azteca_619

Жыл бұрын

70 class GPUs were sold for 370 dollar just 5 years ago

@jadedriviera7402

Жыл бұрын

This sums up every single thing I’ve felt recently. Ngreedia bumped everything up one price tier, and bumped every die size one tier down… which makes it feel as if they bumped everything two tiers up in a sense

It's a nice tool to see exactly how much the 8GB hurt.

@Tonyx.yt.

Жыл бұрын

imagine seeing 128 vs 256bit

@samgragas8467

Жыл бұрын

Not as painful as the 12 GB 4070 Ti trying to do raytracing. 80% faster, 50% more VRAM.

@JensenHuangTensorEnthusiast

Жыл бұрын

8GB didn’t hurt when the GPU was used for it’s proper entry level 1080p500hz use case.

@stokl3877

Жыл бұрын

8GB is still enough, it's just that most of the developers have forgotten how to optimize their games. Why optimize them if there is a "magic" tool DLSS 3.0 that will draw you fake FPS

@tuanld91

Жыл бұрын

@@JensenHuangTensorEnthusiast 1080 esport titles you mean? Then buy a 5-year-old card it will work the same for less

God I wish there were more reviewers calling Nvidia out on this bullshit. Hardware unboxed is a blessing, thank you guys for all the hard work!

@Daniel_Kani

Жыл бұрын

Both Steves have been doing it :D

@100xasd

Жыл бұрын

A lot of people have started to realize this, Nvidia recently reported the lowest sales numbers in two decades!

@Iwetbeds

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean? nearly ALL the reviewers are calling this out.

@alexedwards6509

Жыл бұрын

It's also AMD. It's a nice little scam they have going on between each other Both over priced and you either pay through the nose for a decent amount of memory or you limit the future usefulness of the card you do buy

@Herbertti3

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel_Kani STEEEEEEEVE's

You really did it this time, I’ve seen your channel dissed by some smaller unsponsored KZreadrs in the past but this proves your true, honest, and actually care about your subs and community. Great work. Tech tubers are very important to the community, thanks for keeping it real.

@Hardwareunboxed

Жыл бұрын

Be very wary of anyone lazy enough to try and build credibility off the backs of others.

@naturesown4489

Жыл бұрын

@@Hardwareunboxed Very true. Also so many uninformed people on KZread commenting about things that they have no understanding of.

The 16gig version is actually a close competitor to the 6700 xt now, if you ignore that its 200 dollar more expensive.

@Mike79745

Жыл бұрын

*(...) if you ignore that its "Intel Arc a750" more expensive

@mason9119

Жыл бұрын

200$ more for 8GB more.... , 25$ per GB ...

@ruxandy

Жыл бұрын

@@Mike79745 With all due respect, the Intel Arc A750 should cost $0. Or, better yet, Intel should actually pay the people who bought those cards for being beta testers.

@Kevangelo14

Жыл бұрын

Are we gonna ignore that 6700/6750xt raw performance is way better vs 4060ti, and is way much cheaper

@ricardosantos555

Жыл бұрын

😂

Amazing how Nvidia released the 4050 Ti with 16Gb VRAM for only $500!

@fiikun4986

Жыл бұрын

🗿

@jonimaca000

Жыл бұрын

fr fr

@blackwidow7804

Жыл бұрын

The 4060 Ti (named 4070 Ti) is also amazing 😅

@J0xxe

Жыл бұрын

And close to 600€ in Europe. Hilariously bad value.

@JensenHuangTensorEnthusiast

Жыл бұрын

This ensures AIBS and retailers can profit, plus allow us R&D for future innovation!

Very nice video and thank you. I wish you only good things in the future guys and please do keep up the good work. Greetings from Czech Republic

Not being significantly stronger than the 3060-line of cards isn't a huge deal breaker for me, since they're more power efficient, I really don't mind generations of smaller performance uplifts with much improved efficiency. At the prices they want (for pretty much the entire line) is just unreal though.

@Danefrak

6 ай бұрын

Cheapest vram you can get

@TheTryingDutchman

5 ай бұрын

The Amd 7600xt 16gb is 100 to 150 bucks cheaper than the 4060ti 16gb ​@@Danefrak

@MysteryMii

3 ай бұрын

@@TheTryingDutchmanAnd you can even get the Intel Arc A770 16GB for $300 now.

@ramtinbass

15 күн бұрын

Cheapest VRAM + Good RT performamce + DLSS + lowest Power Consumption + Nvidia texture loading system saving about avg 1 GB, so an AMD with 16GB is is worth 15GB compared to nvidia image compression system by its drivers, but the price...128 bit bus??? This much???

I appreciate the deadpan delivery in this one guys "a huge boost in performance up to almost 6700xt levels"

@TheVincentKyle

Жыл бұрын

That and a 4% boost is "much better"?

@cameronbosch1213

Жыл бұрын

​@TheVincentKyle ...You missed the sarcasm.

@kevinerbs2778

Жыл бұрын

@@TheVincentKyle People buy overclocked cards for less increases now a days.

@TheVincentKyle

Жыл бұрын

@@cameronbosch1213 Oh man, I hope so! Because I was looking for it and didn't feel like it was there - maybe I missed it int he Oz accent ;)

It's extremely rich from NVIDIA saying it's not their fault the 4060 Ti 16GB is so expensive because of the clampshell design. They were the ones who decided the 4060 Ti should have a 128 bit bus and this restricted them to this solution. Designing the 4060 Ti from the ground up with 6 2GB GDDR6 chips instead of 4 would've avoided this situation entirely and would've made the 4060 Ti a card you could actually recommend, but nope 8GB is enough (it's not).

@zagan1

Жыл бұрын

It's not their fault as NVIDIA let the AIO company's do the design themselves. NVIDIA have nothing to do with these cards.

@LiLBitsDK

Жыл бұрын

192 bit would have helped this card massively and would have solved the memory issue too since the extra bit width = more memore chips than 8.. 12GB on this card would have been mostly alright

@aceous99

Жыл бұрын

@@zagan1 it's all just a milking game and we are the cows

@douglasmurphy3266

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that their 4N Ada chips are incredibly efficient mathematical beasts. They have to make sure this isn't passed on to the consumer, as performance gains need to be strictly gated behind ludicrous price barriers.

@santeenl

Жыл бұрын

@@zagan1 hahahahaha

Back in the 90's you had Diamond Stealth GPUs where you had empty memory chip slots on the cards and you could upgrade them as you like. It was only 2MB to 4MB then but the idea was great!

@cv507

11 ай бұрын

mäläy sövvnt qartz -.-

@raianmr2843

11 ай бұрын

tech is devolving

@illogical1421

8 ай бұрын

Imagine if that becomes a thing again.

Nice coverage in the comparisons of the two cards, bud. Between you guys and GN, it's been absolutely great, with top notch tech reviews.

The real value of this GPU is that it gives us exact data to measure how worse the 8 GB will age, while having the exact same configuration otherwise. The real "what if the 3070 had 16 GBs", indeed HUB made a good investment for future content.

@mircomputers

Жыл бұрын

the problem is that how these cards are designed so different, the 3070 having double the bus width means it would work much better at higher res where more ram is needed, while the huge cache on this 4060 cards helps more at fhd where more ram is less useful..

@LiLBitsDK

Жыл бұрын

we already know what happens to the 3070 with 16GB since some geek soldered 16GB on one ;-) and it performs a LOT better

@EDGE234

Жыл бұрын

Investment? Buying a card is like peanuts for the channel.

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

@@EDGE234 the time and energy investment to benchmark it and continuously updated the data ?

@JustSomeDinosaurPerson

Жыл бұрын

It really isn't a good benchmark to use because the card still has a 128-bit bus, which is a huge bottleneck towards even feeding the VRAM consistently. The 3070 16 GB did much better.

Thanks for wasting your money so we don't have to. You guys are invaluable for us consumers.

@xpodx

Жыл бұрын

The 1080 ti was like 800 years ago. This is much faster and 500 and more vram and more features. Solid card I think. People complain to much

@zagan1

Жыл бұрын

They don't buy anything they get sent cards.

@zagan1

Жыл бұрын

​@@xpodx The people buying these cards probably don't care about these videos even existing. It's only the poor people that watch these videos complaining about the prices they can't afford anyway

@GeForceArena

Жыл бұрын

@@zagan1 And then u find the guy complaining buys a brand new $1000 iPhone every year no issues lol

@saynotomanifestv3101

Жыл бұрын

@@xpodx 500 dollars for a 128-bit bus and no better than a 5 year old 2080 Ti, very solid indeed

welp knew how this vid was gonna go, but still glad you made it and I still enjoyed watching it. Cheers dude.

Nvidia manages to release less affordable competitors for 2 year old Radeon competition. Fantastic.

@Dodonutter

11 ай бұрын

Pretty sure they’re referring to the 6700 XT which was neck and neck with the 4060 Ti in those tests and was released at the beginning of 2021. You can also pick it up for less than a 4060

@raffyluvmiharu

11 ай бұрын

@arron4749 how many games uses DLSS 3.0 again?

@Ju-Peter667

8 ай бұрын

@@raffyluvmiharuMy issue rn, the game I wanna play uses it :(

@ThunderbolttheFox

7 ай бұрын

@arron4749 Sometiems you gotta pay for a "worse product" to tell a company like nvidia that we don't want to pay more for less hardware performance with the promise they'll give us those frames with software later (maybe) in our favorite titles. What I'm saying is the 4060 lineup was intentionally corner-cut to use DLSS as a crutch, or more likely a wheelchair in this case, all so nvidia could cut down on their hardware costs and maximize profits at OUR expense.

@ThunderbolttheFox

7 ай бұрын

@arron4749 We were talking about the 4060 here vs the previous 060 cards, why are you now on the 4070? The entire lineup of 4060 cards has barely marginal improvements over the 3060 cards and are expected to make up for it with DLSS. This isn't disinformation, you're just avoiding my argument

I like how their justification for the price difference is literally them saying "we designed this card poorly".

@zagan1

Жыл бұрын

NVIDIA didn't design this card they let the AIO company's do the design themselves. NVIDIA have nothing to do with these cards.

@drago939393

Жыл бұрын

@@rrsharizam Huh?

@drago939393

Жыл бұрын

@@zagan1 Nvidia brand and name on the product, Nvidia choice to hire the company and instruct them how to work.

@TheMasterOfSafari

Жыл бұрын

@@zagan1 they did design the card..

@auzanasyraf4551

Жыл бұрын

​@@zagan1THEY DECIDED THE SPECS. That 128 bit bus is Nvidia's decision, what are you on about? AIB has no say in this

Look, 16gb is nice. Really nice. Like, the kind of vram the 4070ti should have. The problem is, this is a 4050ti card, with a strangulated memory bus, clocked too low to really make a difference. And, somehow, they did this without cutting either version of the card. That is surprisingly impressive! But at the end of the day, this card that is barely on par with the 3070 is still barely on par with the 3070. At 1080p, it won't make any difference whatsoever. At 1440p, theoretically, it would outperform, but the strangulated memory just can't do it, and having to rely on DLSS3 and frame generation means that this card will look worse in 2023 than the 3070 did in 2020.

@GewelReal

Жыл бұрын

This is clearly a 4K card with those 16GB /s

@slayerr4365

Жыл бұрын

8gb is still enough for 1080p gaming show me a none broken release that needs more

@kosmosyche

Жыл бұрын

The 16GB variant is an ok card if it cost $400. The pricing is what makes it an awful choice. And the 8GB model shouldn't even exist at all. It's just not enough at this day and age.

@XPuntar

Жыл бұрын

Well, it is good for AI-related stuff. Still, I would not buy it at all, unless I am given one for free. My 1070 is still rocking solid for nearly all games unless the game is AAA game with intense graphics fidelity thrown in.

@slayerr4365

Жыл бұрын

@@kosmosyche Good card for what? Playing games at 30-40 fps because you like playing on resolutions outside of your price range lol

The 4000 series from Nvidia is just a never ending horror story.

@JFinns

10 ай бұрын

That's BS the 4070FE I have is phenomenal.

@VULTUSPRIME

10 ай бұрын

@@JFinns Sure, but at what price? Even a 4090 is phenomenal at 2000 US$.

@JFinns

10 ай бұрын

What do you mean what price it's $600, MSRP. Got the FE the day it came out.

@angelochu3156

9 ай бұрын

Yes @VULTUSPRIME. The price to performance gain ratio is just not convincing to me. I would be better off to buy 2 Nvidia 3060 12GB to do my AI task.

@Callxm

9 ай бұрын

​@JFinns thats sort of the problem 600 dollars for a 4070 lmao you got ripped off by nvidia

Thanks for the review,, can't explain better!

This card is actually very good for testing how VRAM affects games with other variables controlled. It’s more apples to apples than comparing two completely different GPUs.

@1O1O11

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I've been waiting for. To watch videos of other people testing it, not to buy the card. Though to be fair, I don't see why everyone hates this card so much.

@wertywerrtyson5529

Жыл бұрын

@@1O1O11 It’s just because of the price. It performs about as well as a 3070 that was the same price last generation. Of course if you consider actual street prices during the scalpocalypse the 3070 was more likely around 1000 bucks and compared to that it’s a steal. But today you can get a 6700XT that is about as good for much less or a 6800. A 3060ti that is almost as good is much cheaper as well right now. The card isn’t terrible but it’s too expensive according to most people. It’s not the first time nvidia sells a smaller chip as higher end. The GTX 600 series was the same but that also increased performance compared to the 500 series despite using smaller dies. There is DLSS3 but not that many games use it yet and not all will. Also I believe most people bought a new card last generation so there probably aren’t that many people left with old enough cards to looking for new right now.

@GewelReal

Жыл бұрын

​@@1O1O11We hate it for the price

@fullsend_ny7948

Жыл бұрын

who cares

@wertywerrtyson5529

Жыл бұрын

@@fullsend_ny7948 People who are interested in computer hardware. Some of us watch Hardware Unboxed not just to decide what to buy and then not watch until the next build in 5 years. Some of us actually find computers interesting and just like to learn more no matter if we plan on buying or not.

Nvidia: we believe 8GB is enough. Nvidia: here's a 16GB version of our mid range SKU

@BladeCrew

Жыл бұрын

I feel like if you did solder on the extra 8GB of VRAM it would only cost 30-50 dollars to do that.

@ancientflames

Жыл бұрын

Mid range? Is the 60 card really midrange these days.

@hondatadjik3072

Жыл бұрын

@@ancientflames i think every new gpu is sorta mid range now since the gaming industry is stagnating and your typical 4060 can pretty much run everything on high/ultra settings in 1080p and sometimes 1440p ...that of course doesn't make new GPU's worth their price

@Antagon666

Жыл бұрын

*Low end SKU

@Blade_of_Tomoe

Жыл бұрын

​@@ancientflames 400$ midrange 😂😂 nvidia and amd upselling seems to work

Thank you so much. I wasn't know the 8GB cards already have some limit on games. Awesome video.

Now imagine if they used the same bandwidth that was used on the 3060ti and 3070.

@markojovanovic9651

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they are insane tbh.. The 4060ti has a small and weak chip, they rely heavily on their software and not raw hardware, 3060ti was a great gpu, this is just disappointing to see

@No-cg9kj

Жыл бұрын

I would have bought one lol.

@rickflair747

Жыл бұрын

@@markojovanovic9651this is why I switched to amd no cheap Nvidia parlor tricks nobody cares about ray tracing anyway because of the massive performance dip for visuals that I can barely tell are there

@hiriotapa1983

Жыл бұрын

@@rickflair747 Same, switched to AMD too, the 6800XT, by the way...

@bpcgos

Жыл бұрын

Its actually hurt as 3060 Ti owner of how much hampered the card performance by its meagre vram... It will unleash its true power with 16 GB VRAM

Its nice of Nvidia to give us an apples to apples comparison of why we need more VRAM to come standard on new GPUs. Now that we've seen the benchmarks we can go ahead and never talk about this card again.

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, after shooting themselves in both feet, they now hand over the guns to the community and beg to be shot again xD

@syncmonism

Жыл бұрын

Well, if it drops low enough in price... Who am I kidding? That's not going to happen, at least not for more than a year. Nvidia doesn't need to sell very many of these, they're laughing all the way to the bank using their TSMC capacity for making AI workstation GPUs. AMD, on the other hand, might need to actually sell more GPUs this generation, based on the manufacturing capacity they've already paid for.

I wonder if 16GB VRAM will help with content creation in Davinci Resolve Studio Edition?

What you see a lot is that the 8GB VRAM is just a little short coming for 1080p (ULTRA) & 1440p (High). That little more 2GB or 4GB solves so many performance issues. I even think 10GB VRAM could have solved issues for so many games. Nvidia just gave the super bare minimum as VRAM for the next up tick in class prices, just going for maximum profit model you can see it.

@leanlifter1

9 ай бұрын

What you see is that mid range cards do not offer high end performance and to those that expect high end performance with a mid range product are getting sour.

6700xt looking as great as always.

@jonRock

Жыл бұрын

The 6000 series has aged like fine wine. The 6950 XT is going to be the new 1080 Ti. Especially if AMD can deliver on FSR3.

@filippetrovic845

Ай бұрын

Aged like fine wine 😂 laughing in every rt and fg supported game.

I'm so glad Nvidia has gifted us the ability to spend $500 to match the performance of a $350 card.

@GoonyMclinux

Жыл бұрын

$300 dollar card. 🥔

@kevinerbs2778

Жыл бұрын

@@GoonyMclinux $150

@GoonyMclinux

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinerbs2778 Gt1030 ddr5 version.

@kevinerbs2778

Жыл бұрын

@@GoonyMclinux covid-19 prices for a $60 card

@MrWebster191

Жыл бұрын

Why dont you understand, there is a frame generator build-in lmao. Dont dissapoint a jacket, by a card, he is trying 😅

Great review Ty 👌👍🌹

I would love to see more head to head GPU comparisons in this format.

I came here for the thumbnail 😂

@patricktho6546

Жыл бұрын

I despite the thumbnail ;)

@icynrvna

Жыл бұрын

Love the channel but they really need to ditch the LTT clown type of thumbnails. Its not needed, unprofessional and should be left for clowns like LTT channels

@notchipotle

Жыл бұрын

​@@icynrvnait's just a thumbnail, you only look at it once 😂

@thegod7412

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@patricktho6546

Жыл бұрын

@@notchipotle but it represents more the video, than anything else

Thanks Nvidia, I was looking forward to the 4060 ti as a long time geforce xx60 customer but I'm (probably permanently) jumping to red side now, just ordered an RX 6800

@Chrisp707-

Жыл бұрын

Just ordered a 6800XT for the same price as the “4060Ti”

@flowsolo

Жыл бұрын

Went from a 2060 to a RX 6950 XT and it’s amazing!

@EarthIsFlat456

Жыл бұрын

Permanently? Just wait until AMD start screwing gamers like NVIDIA is doing now.

@tee_es_bee

Жыл бұрын

Same, was waiting for these cards. Ended up buying an RX 6800 which was a new design two and a half years ago. Great job nVidia, great job.

@e1ectrino

Жыл бұрын

Same. 2 weeks with RX6800. Undervolted to 975mV and it sips 160W during gaming, staying sub 60C and silent, while perfromance is ridiculously high compared to my old 2060S. May it serve you well for the years to come.

I heard you guys "warning" the community from buying 8GB graphic cards, but I NEVER saw a video (anywhere) before, where you could see the stuttering so drastically. Thank you for that. I was thinking about the 4070 or the 4070 TI, but now that I have seen what you are talking about all the time, there is no way, I will buy less then a 16GB GPU.

@bloxoss

Жыл бұрын

My 4070 actually holds up well at 1440p ultra, even in games like hogwarts legacy. In 2-5 years though I’ll def be upgrading, maybe to the 5070 or the 6070 if they’re decent.

@sebastiaandekooter434

Жыл бұрын

This only makes sense if for you the only acceptable preset is ultra on every game. If you let go of that requirement you can simple reduce texture detail settings.

@nabagaca

Жыл бұрын

@@sebastiaandekooter434 I think the point is that the Ultra of today becomes the High of tomorrow, and the medium 4 years later etc. Most people tend to hold on to their graphics cards for a few years, so its nice to have some extra VRAM for future games that will likely use more.

@Liinuli.

Жыл бұрын

@@sebastiaandekooter434 The thing about is that if your card can't run ultra today, how likely will it be able to run medium in 5 years. GTX 1060 was the most popular card from 2017 until the end of 2022. People hold onto their cards for way longer these days.

@insomnia20422

11 ай бұрын

I got myself a 3060 12GB for 270€ because I had to upgrade right now but this will obviously only be until Ngreedia and AMD regained consciousness and give us good amounts of VRAM and performance for a fair price! No way I'm going to buy any of Ngreedias current gen offerings. They all suck ass!

Watched this video to kinda deter myself from buying the 4060ti 16gb and ended up doing the opposite. Fact is, the 4060ti 8gb is only 40€ cheaper than the 16gb right now, at least in my country. UE5 uses lots of vram apparently and game releases are so poorly optimised so I think its not a bad graphics card (the 40 series should be cheaper tho ofc).

Glad to see you give the praise the 4050 16gb deserves, ahh sorry i mean the 4060 ti 16gb

@justfun5479

Жыл бұрын

4050ti, actually

@clem9808

Жыл бұрын

It's getting old dude. 😒

@__-fi6xg

Жыл бұрын

@@clem9808 but facts dont change

@alespogacnik

Жыл бұрын

For the price of 4070

@Argedis

Жыл бұрын

@@__-fi6xg The fact is it's called the 4060 Ti regardless of what you want to believe. AD106 GPU = GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Get an executive position at Nvidia if you want to change the name

I love the fact that Nvidia tried to stop supplying you guys with review samples and caught major backlash from the community. Now they can’t really do anything but supply you with these underwhelming products and accept your scathing, yet honest, reviews. Unless they want more community uproar that is. Power to the consumer, keep it up guys! Hopefully we can get some better value cards in the future.

@TonkarzOfSolSystem

Жыл бұрын

The problem was that they tried to influence Hardware Unboxed's reviews.

@CalmConcept

Жыл бұрын

@@TonkarzOfSolSystem Yes. They were pressuring Hardware Unboxed to include DLSS in performance metrics and threatened to pull their partnership.

@DanielFrost79

Жыл бұрын

We won't get "better" cards in the future, no, because they don't care. They want your money, not to be loved by you. Might be hard to understand for many. They want premium for this crap, just let them have the premium of not bying this stupid crap.

@CalmConcept

Жыл бұрын

@@DanielFrost79 As long as people continue to vote with their wallets we may see a change for the better. These cards just aren’t selling, at some point something has to give.

@arenzricodexd4409

Жыл бұрын

​@@CalmConceptand this is where people are wrong. not selling? then how did last quarter nvidia gaming revenue end up being 2.2 billion? mind you nvidia gaming revenue only break 2 billion in the past when there is crypto to boost sales.

Great video Steve! I'm happy to see that my 2 year old 3070 is still hanging in there FPS wise (even if it just has 8GB VRAM). I really hope they course correct with the 5070 (should have 16GB VRAM). I wonder what the 4060 Ti could have been with a 160-bit or 192-bit bandwidth. Would have been the go-to card.

@SapphireThunder

Жыл бұрын

You wrote that as if 2 years would be old for gpu, when it's not.

@marksaxon

Жыл бұрын

@@SapphireThunder Just making a point of how my overpriced 3070 from two years ago during the pandemic is at least relevant today (especially against a $500 card with double the memory of my 3070). Nothing more.

A huge thanks for showing so many examples of games where 8GB is a real issue even at 1080p. That was a really great comparison. I think it's strange that there is now a 4060TI with more VRAM than both of the 4070 models...after seeing this video i am fairly sure NVIDIA would have received better reviews if both 4060s would have had 12GB (using a 192bit bus without this clamp configuration) and 4070 should have been 16GB with 256bit bus. The 4080 is a completely dead product this generation at its price point, anyway. I still like the 40series for its eormous boost to power efficiency....but this review helped me to understand how severe the VRAM issue can be, even at 1080p.

@forcinghandlesisdumb

Жыл бұрын

I like HUBs test suite better than GN for this reason. GN doesn't have enough games that might have VRAM problems in there.

@ravenstarfire8816

7 ай бұрын

This is why so many switch over to Team Red with more VRAM for the same price or lower. So many new games are unplayable because of the 8GB limit with many of the nvidia cards. Shame they didnt think about the competition and consumer with newer games.

The funny thing is, if they would have opted for 4 GB more memory / 64-bit larger memory bus for all of their 4000 series cards outside of RTX 4090 and 4060, their lineup would have been alright and reviews would have been at least lukewarm instead of plain hostile. Nvidia is truly cannibalizing its own gaming lineup, but in the end, they stopped caring about us when they found out that the AI business has much better profits.

@codemonkeyalpha9057

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly the point, Nvidia are trying to make their gaming products unsellable so they don't waste their fab allocation on them. We won't see any improvements in GPUs until the AI market is saturated or fab capacity worldwide grows significantly. They just need enough presence so they can keep a toe in the market (in case AI goes the way of crypto). I think we are in for 10-15 years of flat performance (generation to generation) and rising prices.

@andersjjensen

Жыл бұрын

This is because they bumped everything below the 4090 a SKU down. People complained the 3090 was pointless because it was only 11% faster while being absurdly expensive... so Nvidia fixed that by making the 4080 a 4070ti, and so on and so forth. If they had made the 4090 the full AD102 die and kept it at 450W and the let the 4080 use a 10-15% cut down die at 375W there would have been a big enough performance discrepancy that wealthy enthusiasts would still have bought the 4090 but the rest of the lineup wouldn't have looked this god-awfully stupid.

@wallacesousuke1433

Жыл бұрын

@@codemonkeyalpha9057 good

@bloxoss

Жыл бұрын

Well they control around 80% of the market share, and steam hardware survey shows no signs of that changing, so why should they stop?

@kevinerbs2778

Жыл бұрын

@@bloxoss Steam is not the entire world of PC gaming, please stop associating it with the entirety of PC gaming.

Nvidia is crazy. I have a now "old" $500 6800XT with 16GB and it runs circles around this card.

@deagle7602

11 ай бұрын

Fr. It must suck for someone who is new to PC gaming and they get the 4060ti instead of the 6800xt lol.

@naenre21

11 ай бұрын

I got a 6800XT at Microcenter a bit over a year ago and it was $650 and while it's been a slight pain to get working how I wanted. I don't feel ripped off. Glad to see it'll keep kicking.

@manoftherainshorts9075

11 ай бұрын

Same, bro, same, for 1080p high settings gaming it's *almost* perfect, although it cannot maintain stable 144fps in any game unfortunately

@Micropoint.

11 ай бұрын

@@manoftherainshorts9075 its more a 1440p card *so*

@manoftherainshorts9075

11 ай бұрын

@@Micropoint. it would be even less performant at 1440p, what are you even talking about

Makes me very tempted to go with the Arc 770 for a fresh build from ground 0. Only one in CDN around the $500 mark whereas your 6700XTs/4060s are still close to the over 600 range

You didn't do any Raytracing testing? It would be helpful to compare vRam usage with and without RT, as well as performance.

I'm glad the 3070 16gb finally came out. 3 years too late, but better late than never.

@tourmaline07

Жыл бұрын

Indeed but price/performance similar to that already existed with a 2080ti so it's too late for this ;)

@andersjjensen

Жыл бұрын

And this version falls appart at 1440p because of the lack of memory bandwidth... but 1440p is what a midrange product should offer today. 1080p is fast becoming the legacy/entry-level resolution.

@daygeckoarthawaii1360

Жыл бұрын

@@andersjjensen but it's amazing that for 20 years most gamers have been stuck on 1080p, we should be well beyond this by now, 4K should be standard

@amdmun

Жыл бұрын

@@daygeckoarthawaii1360 You should think about poor gamers, not everyone is rich. You know my RX 570 4Gb is overwhelmed at 1080p, especially when you play a game like the last of us. In fact, I had to decrease the resolution from 1080p to 720p when I played that game. Playing at 720p still stutters, but a little better & I managed to finish the game. If 4K is the standard then I'm done. Sorry for my bad English.

@andersjjensen

Жыл бұрын

@@daygeckoarthawaii1360 Uh, I was running 1200p in the CRT last part of the days, and many were running 1600p. But CRT had the lost ability to look good at any resolution so most people were gaming at significantly lower resolutions than they ran on desktop. Also, the first mainstream LCD generations were 720p, 768p or 900p so I don't know where you got that 20 years from. Personally (I don't have perfect 20/20 vision) at 27" 1440p and 4k look so similar to me that I don't see the point in going to 4k.

9:23 Wow that's incredible 50-100% more performance just from having enough VRAM

@Bzuco

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, for that game it works that way. And it also show us, that keeping VRAM capacity low and loading gaming assets using fast PCIe bus will be not the best for the future. Increasing the capacity of ram for future games will be nevertheless needed.

@LiLBitsDK

Жыл бұрын

yeah lack of VRAM is huge... lack of bandwidth to that VRAM is huge too

@kravenfoxbodies2479

Жыл бұрын

It is not a mindless beast anymore!

@TotallySearch

Жыл бұрын

PC Redditors be like: "Nah dude Nvidia said 8 GB VRAM is good enough" yet they wonder why Hogwarts Legacy stutters

@LiLBitsDK

Жыл бұрын

@@TotallySearch they fixed the "stutters" now it hides as blurry textures instead ;-)

Is there any chance to get the wattage to be the same or have I missed a point in the video? In the Callisto Protocol the 8GB Version draws half (!!!) as much and A Plague Tale is short behind with around 40% less which doesn't make any sense to me. Thanks for uploading this video though. Waited for it the whole time but I knew why it took so long.

Really great work, guys.

poop emoji, better grab the popcorn

Thanks Nvidia for releasing a GPU for benchmarking purpose only. Now, we should be able to see how 8gb cards is not recommended anymore even at 1080p (unless of course you lower settings and raytracing off), since both these two gpus are basically apples to apples with same performance.

@TotallySearch

Жыл бұрын

Nvidia's $500 backup GPU

@mingyi456

Жыл бұрын

@@jaydee5472 Not any current generation console though, the performance of the last of us at 1440p on a 3060ti should have shown you otherwise.

@starkistuna

Жыл бұрын

iMAGINE THEY RELEASED A 4060 ti with 256 bit bus next

@rohanchooramun7288

Жыл бұрын

@@starkistunaAnd for an extra $100.... lol.

@Antares-dw9iv

Жыл бұрын

​@@mingyi456 There are a few outliers but 3060 Ti definitely outperforms the current consoles in a majority of titles unless they are very VRAM hungry. You also have to remember that console versions rarely use anything close to PC Ultra equivalent settings, so the 3060 Ti running at slightly lower frame rates at much higher settings in a notorioulsy terrible PC port isn't really saying much.

This video just made me very happy as a recent buyer of a 6700 XT. Seems clear I'm not missing out on anything, and if anything I actually still have the better card somehow. As an enjoyer of PC components in general, this is extremely sad. Nvidia, what are you guys doing?

@photlam9769

Жыл бұрын

Dude same here. I honestly with I went for the 6800xt, but even so, 3070 performance is fine by me

@Mtb94

Жыл бұрын

I bought a 6700xt last year for a steal, this vid makes me feel like I made a good choice. Card is great for 1440/1080 gaming

@cloudtro

Жыл бұрын

Nice buy chap. Enjoy

@gokublack8342

Жыл бұрын

People sleep on 6000 series AMD best value GPUs out there Except 6500 those are crap just like the 3050

@Dwayneff

11 ай бұрын

from what I gather, 1000 series to 2000 series wasn't a good upgrade, now 1000 to 3000 series was a good upgrade, 3000 to 4000 isn't. We shall see how 5000 series turns out.

Thank you for spending to get this card and review it. I’m glad to hear that the buswidth is not a choke point. I was one of the many that were asking the question if 16GB on 128Gb/s would be. However at $500 this GPU is way too expensive.

@robertkubrick3738

11 ай бұрын

The bus width IS a choke point, that's why they had to put chips on both sides of the card so controllers could be shared.

The problem is the 128-bit bus on a card that has usually been a 192-bit card for the past almost 20 years. Basically the 4060ti is actually a 50 series card with 60 series card pricing.

@kninezbanks

Жыл бұрын

True but to be fair, they did significantly increase the L2 cache on 40 series GPUs, they said this meant less GPU traffic, thus less bandwidth needed. They definitely used it as an excuse to dowgrade the card lineup.

@gurjindersingh3843

Жыл бұрын

3060 Ti has 256-bit memory and higher bandwidth than 4060 Ti.

@jadedriviera7402

Жыл бұрын

I would think it’s a 50 series card with 70 series pricing

@Liinuli.

Жыл бұрын

Yeah last time we had a 128 bit bus 60 class card was the GTX 960. And that card didn't age that well.

@anotter_one

11 ай бұрын

Well, they just proved the bit bus did not affect the cards ability to make good use of the 16GB VRAM pool and did improve its overall performance so it means the L2 cache is doing its job.

Imagine what your reaction would be if someone told you 6 years ago "In 2023 a 1080p card that's hit or miss on breaking the 60fps mark is gonna cost you $500." we'd ask them to share whatever mix of drugs they're on.

@haukikannel

Жыл бұрын

Wellcome to the future! 😂

@greebj

Жыл бұрын

you might have assumed only one manufacturer remained releasing products in the midrange market between $300 and $800 oh wait

@scrubscrub4492

Жыл бұрын

​@@greebjrandom reminder $300 is on the higher end Budget cards are $150 or less Stop listening to the bullshit pricing models that these companies are feeding you

@cvncvncvnf

Жыл бұрын

@@haukikannel its like wellcome BACK to the Future

@daygeckoarthawaii1360

Жыл бұрын

Even 10 years ago

Good review! MSI gives these vrams on the back some thermal pad to pass the heat to the blackplate, that is very important. We dont know whether other brands will do so, if the memories do not have thermal pad, and we also do not have temp sensor in gddr6 vram, that will be an issue when you are running something really need vram speed like some AI software.

Thank you Steve!

this is $500 and the RX6800 is available at the moment for $450 and is a faster card. it would be interesting to see how the RX6800 vs the 4060ti does in raytracing. I would be surprised if the RX6800 wins but you never know because the die on the 4060ti is tiny.

@renoui

Жыл бұрын

Where did you find the $450 RX 6800???

@stangamer1151

Жыл бұрын

RX 6800 is a bit faster than 3070 Ti, so it is definitely faster than 4060 Ti. If only 6800 supported DLSS, it would be a killer product for it's current price...

@ChristmasCrustacean1

Жыл бұрын

@@renoui USD

@e1ectrino

Жыл бұрын

I got the RX6800 for $370 (used but barely) and there's literally no competition for that price. As for RT - it's a big nope for this card, unless you don't mind 30-40 fps or just one type of it, like just shadows in cp2077. But in my opinion RT isn't mature enough yet to justify the performance hit for the subtle changes it provides, unless you're on a 4090. It's cool for screenshots, but during gameplay it's a big meh.

@kravenfoxbodies2479

Жыл бұрын

@@stangamer1151 It has FSR 2 .2

Absolute perfect thumbnail. And personally, I see this as a $200 premium over a version of the card that should've been this way at $300. Reminder that the 460, released 13 years ago (at $200), had a 256bit memory bus.

@admrob

Жыл бұрын

I still have my GTX460 Super Clocked with its 256 bit bus for troubleshooting.

@sebastiaandekooter434

Жыл бұрын

Busses got smaller because it makes the card more power efficiënt. At that point in time everyone was complaining about the power draw and heat of Nvidia cards. As long as the card performs you should not care about the bus width.

@Yes-sw8gh

Жыл бұрын

@@sebastiaandekooter434 Ofcourse you should, a larger bus width means higher data access speeds, which in direct translation means higher performance cap. If these idiots would just put active cooling on VRM modules like they do on the core, these cards would run way cooler - and chips nowadays are very good at clocking down and reducing draw when not needed at full speed.

@leanlifter1

9 ай бұрын

Brand new mid range cards are getting closer to entry level specs all the while being pushed upto entry level high end pricing.

@leanlifter1

9 ай бұрын

@@arron4749 High end silicon goes into high end GPUs 70/80/90 series are all high end silicon 60 is mid range and 50 is low entry level. The problem is that the brand new 60 series mid range is getting crappy specs on the Vram and bus width like that of a low end card but yet they still have the audacity to creep up the price closer to that of the high end 70 series is supposed to be priced. Limited PCIe lanes and Vram and us widths. One step forward and two steps back kinda shenanigans going on here which is ok if the price goes down not up like it has.

SO glad you bought this, reviewed it, and took it apart to show us the physical differences. None of the other reviewers even bothered getting it just for lulz.

Thank you hetzner 🎉

Thanks Steve! I was worried no reviewers would show us this card because no review samples and I’m glad you where able to show case it’s atrocity.

The average scores that you showed at the end almost prove Nvidia's point, with the difference between the 16GB and 8GB card being only around 3%. However, I think that it hardly paints the correct picture: the averages, if I understand correctly, only include the scenarios where the 8GB card didn't suffer significantly from the lower amount of VRAM. There is a case to be made for that, namely the "you don't need ultra settings", but on the other hand it meant that you had to disable ray tracing pretty much across the board in order to avoid abysmal 1% lows in some games and missing textures in others. I think that this review called for 2 sets of averages graphs, the one that was shown and the other which would compare the two cards at higher visual fidelity (i.e. with raytracing), which the 16GB card is perfectly capable of rendering. It would go on to demonstrate how cheeky Nvidia was when they not only released that tiny piece of silicone on a small PCB for $400, but also completely and deliberately nerfed it when it comes to use with technologically modern settings.

@LiLBitsDK

Жыл бұрын

yeah give us a slide where JUST the games that need more than 8GB is on and compare them... ignore all the games that use less than 8GB it would be more truthful in the real performance upgrade

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

Average is for all games but obviously number of games where 8 GB is barely enough is currently still higher than the number of games where 8 GB is unplayable. So yeah this 16 GB variant isn't going to improve your performance. It's going to allow you to play more games that you otherwise couldn't (without severely limiting your image quality), especially newer games. The gap between the 8 and 16 GB cards will only grow from now

@LiLBitsDK

Жыл бұрын

@@YounesLayachi "couldn't play" is a bit drastic... more like "you had to play at lower settings even though the card can handle higher settings if it had the vram

@slayerr4365

Жыл бұрын

To suffer from not enough vram you need higher resolution mainly. To play at higher resolution you need a more powerful card in the first place. I am fairly sure there is not a single (none broken) 1080p game that cant run with 8gb of vram. I am also sure there are no games that the 4060 ti can run above 60 fps at 1440p but be bottlenecked by vram. The card is too weak full stop the vram is not the issue with it.

@LiLBitsDK

Жыл бұрын

@@slayerr4365 not really... you can suffer from not enough VRAM at 1080p already... wake up we are in 2023 now not 1999... it's already been proven several times so stop the nonsense already

have you considered add the 3060Ti GDDR6x version to the list?

I remember buying a gtx 660ti for $349AUD in 2012. It was a great mid ranged gpu that lasted me about two years before I upgraded to a gtx 970, you could even sli them which I did. Now Ngreedia expects you too pay a whopping $859-$939AUD for a midrange card 11years later. Thats a 2.5x price increase, WELL above inflation over the 11 year period.

@danieldaniel1210

11 ай бұрын

new tech like RT, frame gen, newer dlss versions doesnt come cheap

@leanlifter1

9 ай бұрын

​​@@danieldaniel1210gimmicks are pricey and so is controlled obsolescence. These are Nvidia's bread and butter tactics to "fleece" their own personal cash cow I mean customer base.

Who thought these “mid-range” Lovelace cards would start making the 4080 look like a better value? Thanks Steve for your tireless efforts

@haukikannel

Жыл бұрын

Noup… 4060 and 4060ti are low end GPUs… It would be an insult to all middle range GPUs to call these mid range GPUs… One more reason. If 4060 and 4060 are mid range… what is Nvidia low end this generation?

@underrated6902

Жыл бұрын

Exactly this! 4080's perf is above everything from last gen, so they can charge whatever they want without making it unattractive. Apply that upsell to everything else... this is what we get.

@MrAtthedrivein925

Жыл бұрын

@@haukikannel which is why I put midrange in air quotes, definitely entry level

@dswagger5667

Жыл бұрын

Compared to price/performance of 7900xtx, 4080 is still a joke. Either go 4090 for productivity/VR or just take the 7900xtx for flat screen gaming. The only thing 4080 has to offer is power efficiency and RT with that 300 bucks extra price tag.

@Dregomz02

Жыл бұрын

High end price, mid end label, low end perf. Thank you Nvidia

I absolutely love Hardware Unboxed GPU review thumbnails. You guys must be having a lot of fun creating these lmao.

@Lishtenbird

Жыл бұрын

Those are heading straight towards the mean mainstream thumbnail with shocked exaggerated faces and arrows and emojis, but let's be real - that's exactly what the multi-million audience wants.

@litguru4748

Жыл бұрын

@@Lishtenbird Imagine being the Nvidia/AMD rep who's tasked with calling Steve to spout some marketing BS pre-launch, only to be met with a video a few days later that reads "INSERT COMPANY HERE CAUGHT SELLING TRASH". I just think that's kinda hilarious. Influencer marketing really can be weird, because they're still somewhat business partners after all.

@FullNietzsche

Жыл бұрын

Thumbnail: suggests card is terrible. Review: shows it's actually not bad.

@litguru4748

Жыл бұрын

@@FullNietzsche 🤣🤣🤣

Appreciate your sacrifice man!

This review is layered thick with so much sarcasm and I'm here for it.

Man, I feel so bad for my 3070 purchase last September. waited for the nvidia show, saw the prices and bit the bullet to move up from a 1060 6gb. After seeing how 8gb is fairing now, I really wish I'd gone with the 6800xt. Insane that £500+ cards would ship with 8gb now.

@WayStedYou

Жыл бұрын

Your 3070 has more bus width though

@Onisak25

Жыл бұрын

3070 is ok for 1080p. Maybe just turn textures to high instead of ultra.

@terrymike7053

Жыл бұрын

It is what it is. I just bought a 3070 for $355. $380 if including tax. Because I needed something to swap out my gtx 1080, and wanted to reduce as much incompatibility as possible or having to do more precise driver wipes if I went AMD. And I did want to try out an nvidia rtx gpu, to see what all the hoopla is about regarding dlss and it's supposed ray tracing advantage. Since I already have an rx6800 and rx6600xt. Both which for my purposes have been perfect (I don't like want to use any upscaling in the first place). So I really wanted first hand experience to see if nvidia is truly worth all the more money. I'm convinced they aren't, and yeah I already know 8gb is way to little, but the 3070 was the best choice, cheapest, that would at least do 4k temporarily, until I can get a proper 4k machine. So yeah, I feel disgusted every time thinking about the purchase I just made, because it needs more vram, but I at least will now have first hand experience to feel good about, to justify. being overly harsh on nvidia :P . Because they are in control of the gpu market, and they are the reason it is terrible. They should not be given any mercy, where as I think AMD does need some, to hopefully create balance and competition.

@svinjadebela6893

Жыл бұрын

don't worry. this channel has been talking about 8Gb being too little so much that they are now kinda cherry picking the best games and scenarios to prove their point. i mean, yeah, 16gb is better, but the truth is that 3070 will probably last almost as long as 4060 ti, provided you are ok with lowering textures and resolution here and there. i believe that raw power of the cards will kill them both BEFORE 8 GB becomes too little for 1440p/1080p + high + dlss gaming (which is not all that worse than 1440 + ultra + no dlss which extra VRAM unlocks). i also agree that amd has better hardware for the same money, but at the same time, nvidia has dlss which evens things out a lot. dlss perofrmance is as good as fsr quality. that way, nvidia actually gives you more "free frames" when you need them the most, at the same time reducing the need for extra vram. that alone kinda makes up for not being as good hardware wise. TLDR: With just a little bit of compromises (simply not maxing everything in games @1440p), 3070 ain't worse than 4060 Ti. (bigger problem is 3070 ti having only 8 GB, and 3080 having just 10. those cards would benefit much more from having more vram).

@andersjjensen

Жыл бұрын

@@svinjadebela6893 They aren't "cherry picking" the games. They started out with The Last of Us Part 1 and said "look, this is how this show is going to go from here on out". Then The Callisto Protocol came out and they said "yup, we told you", and now we're up to 6 recent games where the base performance is playable at Ultra if you weren't running out of VRAM. By this time next year that will probably be the case for 20 or more recent and popular games. It sucks to dial down texture quality, because it's the only quality setting that doesn't require additional compute power. You can set a game to Ultra, but dial down the texture quality to Potato and the game runs exactly the same, but looks like... potato. Similarly old games where the modders make new high-res texture packs for suddenly look amazing. So, no, your last statement isn't correct. The 3070ti is neither more, nor less, hampered by 8GB than the 3060ti. The 3060 got it right with 12GB. Textures do not require compute power, so from the midrange and up you should get enough VRAM to last at least a console generation.

You're right Steve. I love everything about it, the $100 premium, the 128 bit bus, the x8 pci connection, the grossly over engineered coolers on the AIB models. This card should be placed on a pedestal, revered as a deity, and used as an example as to what to do with everything moving forwards.

@Kridian01

Жыл бұрын

😆 Thank you! Aaannnd Happy Friyay!

@lasvista2tech

Жыл бұрын

Like putting a Prius engine in a Ferrari.

@jonathonschott

Жыл бұрын

@@lasvista2tech actually it's closer to painting a prius red and trying to sell it for Ferrari prices

@jamessrenaski1075

Жыл бұрын

More like putting a Prius engine in a Freightliner.

@branqt6201

7 ай бұрын

and guess who bought it!

It would be interesting to see a 10GB card like the 3080 or RX6700 non XT listed to see how it fares relative to 8 and 12GB models, preferably the 3080 as it's more more performant in general and better show off where it may fall short.

@HardwareUnboxed does 16gb make a difference for rendering?

18:00 Radeon VII be like: "So when do people start to revisit me against my rival RTX 2080? I'm certain I will finally be the winner in the next couple years."

Incredibly high quality, thorough, and multi-faceted analysis approaching its subject from multiple important angles, very reserved, professional delivery with no hype or dramatization, and basically first to come (by date). Thank you, HUB, and thank you, Steve. You went above and beyond with this one. The only gotcha I can see is in the delivery structure of the video - many will be confused into believing the charts in the second half of the video fully summarize the material of the entire video, while in reality they do not and are complementary to the materials of the first half.

Could you please give detailed benchmark results for the RTX4060Ti 16GB model at 4K? Including CP2077, native, DLSS 2 and 3 at different quality settings, and pathtracing? And similar 4K tests for MS Flight Simulator 2020 please.

I'll keep saying it... So glad I got my 6800 two years ago... What a beast!

Thank you very much for a review, i was eager to know how they managed 4 more chips on the board

@doctorno3912

Жыл бұрын

Absolute wizardry to be sure 😅

Go figure… First up, thank you for the effort you put into your content. You provide data that confirms what us OG gamers already know. Memory bus and VRam are, and always will be vital to the performance you see on your screen. Said goodbye to team Green and went to team Red recently to replace my 1070 8G OC with a 6750XT 12G OC to game @1440p. Nvidia should be truly ashamed with their current offerings as you lads have just confirmed!!! Take care, cheers.

Is the 4060ti 16GB better than 3060ti for Productivity (Lumion/CAD/Revit/SketchUp)? CPU is a 5700x

I just recently snagged a XFX 7900 XTX including a code for Starfield for like 950. I'm just done waiting on Nvidia to get their shit together. It's been almost 15 years since trying team red, let's see how it goes.

now, imagine if this was priced like RTX 3060…

@jayvee8502

Жыл бұрын

We can only imagine.

@jadedriviera7402

Жыл бұрын

I’d rather imagine it being priced as the 4050 TI, Ngreedia really is trying to bump up not only the price tiers, but also the chip name tiers

@ScreamingTc

Жыл бұрын

But that would have involved them not trying to fuck us all over by pricing them a tier higher than they should be...

@100Underscores

Жыл бұрын

Why would they price an older lower tier card the same?

@hinrei1986

Жыл бұрын

Or imagine if you won a lottery.

You MUST add some 3D / 2D benchmark. Games is not the only usage (VRay, Blender, UE5 editor, Lumion, etc...).

@evrythingis1

Жыл бұрын

You're right, it's only 99% of the usage....

I'd like to see VR tests with the 16G cards

I would like to see some testing of this card in 3d production software. Preferably with a little less whining about the price. Not that you are wrong about it, but did you really have to repeat it so many times?

i cant remember the last time a good gpu launched. i remember the 3080 was reviewed well but only 7 people were able to get it for the actual MSRP.

@marekk.3322

11 ай бұрын

I love how this comment has exactly 7 upvotes. Coincidence?

For the upcoming tests can you guys include the 6800xt in the charts? It would be a funny head to head comparison!

@markojovanovic9651

Жыл бұрын

Well its around 10-11% faster than the non xt right, 6800 goes even with 4070 in 1440p so the xt is faster than that

@bloxoss

Жыл бұрын

@@markojovanovic9651true, I would’ve gotten the xt but I’d rather have a warranty and a card from this gen. Almost had it with Nvidia though, but until someone else can do content creation as good as them… I really don’t think I can change.

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

Жыл бұрын

@@bloxoss LOL what ? Why would you want a card from the worst selling gen of all time ? And 6800XT BRAND-NEW is less than 500$.

What i dont understand is how HWunboxed comes to this power pull from the rx 6800 with a wattage over 300 while i have never seen it go over 240. Neither is there any information online suggesting it ever would.

So what do you recommend we buy instead for that price range?

Would be interesting to see a visual comparison in new games when reducing textures to fit 8GB VRAM vs maxed out Ultra. Also how much of a texture reduction is needed to have RT enabled?

@noway8662

11 ай бұрын

It depends. Some games have noticeable quality reduction between highest and second highest setting, some don't. Diablo 4 definitely has a difference. Cyberpunk as well, although not as prominent as it should be, because CB's textures are hyperoptimized for size, as CDPR tried to cram the game to weak consoles. You can actually improve CB's graphics quite a bit just by installing one of those big high fidelity mod texture packs. Also, better your base textures, better your upscaling will look. Upscaling needs data to work with, and texture data is free of performance charge as long as you have enough Vram.

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I wonder if on those situations where the settings are taking up practically the whole of the VRAM buffer if the fraction that's reserved to drive a monitor doesn't actually amp up the performance issues. At least on some 3d rendering applications (other than games) you can get better results by having more than one GPU where typically the less capable would be used as the display adapter while the GPU with the most resources would do the heavy lifting with the rendering part. It's interesting that games like the Callisto Protocol used roughly 8 GB even when a pool of 16 GB is available while others like RE4 Remake and TLOU Part 1 go above the 10GB mark (while leaving more than enough VRAM for the remaining Display and Windows visuals to contend with) On the other hand and while the thought of having games not being limited is nice it's kind of outrageous that a game would need more than 10 GB of VRAM while running at 1080p honestly... It's one thing when you're on Quad HD or Ultra HD (1400p and 4k respectively) but at 1080p even on the highest settings that sort of VRAM usage is absurd. At that level Devs would be way better off using normal resolution textures rather than going overboard with the resolution and amp up the actual polycount as that doesn't hit the VRAM nearly as hard. Specially since Nvidia clearly doesn't want 8GB of VRAM to be the entry standard (considering their first non 8GB card this generation is over 600 bucks and now they're charging 500 bucks for this 16GB 40x0 Ti)

as someone who's had to upgrade due to my gtx 1080 being unsustainable for us and showing signs of dying vram. i decided to get a 4060 ti 16gb because of its high vram, 3060-3070 like performance for an extremely low power consumption, looking at the difference in consistency between the 8gb and 16gb model, completely justifies spending the extra £100 to me

Imagine having a xx50 tier card for $500. A brave world indeed.

RX 6500 XT had 8GB variant which is I believe also in clamshell config since it only had 64bit memory interface and it was only $20 more expensive vs 4GB version! If using Nvidia logic, this would at least need to be $50 more expensive! Anyway, if RX 6500 XT needed $20 for 4GB extra, 8GB extra in clamshell should be $40. And remember that this is 2022 pricing which is less favorable (at the very least the RAM chip is more expensive). I think it should be priced at most $50 more expensive. More than that is just being greedy or trying to intentionally make the product look bad (maybe to upsell so people buy 4070 instead).

Was looking forward to upgrading from my 1080 non Ti this gen... looks like I'll either be waiting for the next gen which will probably be as much a waste of sand at the prices they'll come out at relative to this gen... but still 5 is bigger than 4 (or 8 vs 7 and etc.) or maybe team blue will pull a rabbit out of its hat with Battlemage since at this point I'd be willing to ditch the team green and team red duopoly out of general principle...

I got a 6800XT recently and just finished my new build. I would love to have had a 4060ti had it been better performance and better pricing, but for $500 it made more sense to get the 6800XT over any variation of a 4060ti. With that, this 6800XT is loud sometimes.

$500.... wow... you can get a 6950xt for $100 more.... power draw is higher yes but performance is two tiers higher.

@bradhaines3142

Жыл бұрын

a little undervolt cuts power draw really nicely

@vespa7961

Жыл бұрын

@@bradhaines3142 yes I have the gaming x trio.. undervolted its a 1440p dream

@FenrirAlter

Жыл бұрын

​@@bradhaines3142yep can easily reach 270-280 watts even on worse silicone lottery cards. + AMD chill is underrated af.

@SweatyFeetGirl

Жыл бұрын

@@FenrirAlter AMD underreports their actual powerusage on RX 6000 cards. add another 50watts at least if you use afterburner or any other software

@SweatyFeetGirl

Жыл бұрын

@@FenrirAlter rx 7000 fixed that problem

I think it might make a good prebuilt GPU since the associated pc will likely be of the lower price brackets, and it'll likely be great for small form factor PCs, but as a regular DIY card for 500$ this is just awful

Could you tell us a bit more about this gddr6x on both sides of the card , how hot do they get on the back side of the card?

Can you please test productively software? Divinci Resolve, Photoshop, illustrator, Stable Defusion etc?

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