The Ryzen AM4 platform was just a great journey for me. Started on the 1600, then the 3600, and finally the 5800X3D, all with the same B350 motherboard. I don't see myself upgrading any time soon as the 5800X3D can perfectly keep up with my 3070 for 1440p.

@nano60

Жыл бұрын

Sounds awesome I’m planning on purchasing a 3070 once I find the right price. Is the 3070 a great fit for your system? Would there be any limitations? I’ve got a similar build and want to upgrade the GPU.

@Chris3s

Жыл бұрын

I am still on my 1600, pretty much no reason to upgrade if you are on 1440p or higher and you dont have the latest and/or best GPU

@fredsorre6605

Жыл бұрын

Was fully on board with Ryzen started with a 1400X, 2600X, 3700X and now a 5800X all on the same Asus X370 ROG Gaming-F motherboard That thing will keep you company for a while and if you plan to ever upgrade your GPU it should be OK all the way to an RTX4080 or an RX7900XTX and that is pushing it as it's best partner would likely be an RTX4070ti or an RX7900.

@UniverseGd

Жыл бұрын

I'm also on 1600 (non-af) and I'll for sure upgrade to 8c. 5800X3D is still to pricey in my country so I'm thinking also on 5700x/5800x

@vMrCrAzY

Жыл бұрын

@@nano60 trust me dont go with 8gb vram its so bad on 2k unless ur welling to lower some texture from ultra to high i sold my 3070 ti and went for the 3080 ti if u want to buy something around that price i prefer u go with amd 6750xt/6800/6800xt are much better with more vram also helps if u have more than 1 monitor and btw my 3800x could handle the 3070ti easily 5800x3d much better with higher than 3070ti also the lows will be way better on it

I’ve actually been surprised at the volume the 5800X3D was/is produced. Still being available is impressive as well. That CPU really is a gift to the AM4 platform.

@alpha007org

Жыл бұрын

@@gags730 Same here. In late 2019 bought 3600, Zen 3 was not released but on horizon. Then C19 and shortages. Now the same PC is running 58X3D and 6950XT.

@buruzn09

Жыл бұрын

I’ve got a 2600x now, and that 5800x3d is looking pretty tempting to me.

@alchemystn2o

Жыл бұрын

Been using 5800X3D for over a year now and still running like a champ. And since, IMO, make little sense to upgrade for Zen 4 3D V-Cache. I'll wait for Zen 5 3D V-Cache version instead.

@johnhicks8626

Жыл бұрын

@@gags730 I like this alot. If you are happy with what you have and it suits your needs, why change a thing!

@SanHydronoid

Жыл бұрын

@@alchemystn2o Of course it would, still one of the best gaming CPUs so no reason for it to feel insufficient

Thank you Steve for including 1440p and 4k. It’s really nice to see what the differences are as graphic load increases

@jakacresnar5855

Жыл бұрын

at 4k, it would be interesting to do a "for science" type test to see how "low" you can go as far as CPU is concerned. Like how far back can you go and still get playable performance at 4K. 1800X? 8700K? 6700K? 1600AF? 4790K?!?

@Masoch1st

Жыл бұрын

Literally everyone does this lol

@jakacresnar5855

Жыл бұрын

@@Masoch1st not really. 4K data ia usually omitted from dedicated CPU reviews (also in HUB reviews except select titles) because it's largely useless due to GPU-bound scenarios, even on high-end cards like the 4090, perfectly illustrated in this video. Steve has explained this at length and that's precisely why it is kind of special to see 4K data in a CPU comparison.

@Masoch1st

Жыл бұрын

@@jakacresnar5855 this....isnt...a...dedicated...cpu....review

@Masoch1st

Жыл бұрын

@@jakacresnar5855 you wrote that entire thing to completely embarrass yourself. this is not a cpu review. its a comparison (which should you buy?) video, and literally every single one of these comparison videos shows resolutions and setups that people are likely to be playing at. They already reviewed these CPUs ages ago, so why tf would it make ANY sense to review them again? lmao. Go look up any this vs that in cpu/gpu and you will see multiple resolution samples.

AM4 has been fantastic! I built my first PC in early 2018 with the R5 1600. As my sons grew older, we built them AM4 machines, and my upgrades filtered down to them. We now have 4 gaming PCs and one server running Ryzen, with my 5800X at the top. My sons still have lots of options to upgrade. Thanks for your good data!

@peepocozy8594

Жыл бұрын

gtx 4090 is gpu limited at 4k, that is insane

@miikavuorio6925

9 ай бұрын

@@peepocozy8594 This reply has nothing to do with the original comment

@Nixxx2000

9 ай бұрын

agreed starting from Ryzen 1600 through 2700X ending on 5800X. I was using on this platform GTX1060, RTX2080Ti and RX6950XT

@Serandi1987

7 ай бұрын

Still can't find any reason to upgrade my 5800X3D & 4090 at 120Hz 4k gaming and 115 FPS limit! I'll wait until AM6 and DDR6👍🏻

@Serandi1987

7 ай бұрын

​@@peepocozy8594only at that time! Nowadays we get more and more demanding games that forces the 4090 down!

I'm glad we finally have graphs with the Averages of the crucial 1% lows now as well. HUB never disappoints! Would be interested to see the 7700 and 7700x as well added to the charts, so that we can get all the top 8 core gaming powerhouses from Amd in 1 chart.

@Habixus

Жыл бұрын

Indeed! I personally always limit the fps to slightly above the 1% lows. I only have a 100 Hz gsync monitor, so anything between 55-97 fps is fine and completely smooth without jumping around fps. I prefer to have locked in 55 fps than constant fluctuations between 55-75 fps.

@fwabble

Жыл бұрын

0.1% lows for me are the key.

@ipotato95

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. The 7700 seems like the best power to performance cpu but some comparisons would be nice

@adriankoch964

Жыл бұрын

Comparing 1% low & seeing 0.1% is the way. Who enjoys a stutter?

@QuaK3RRR

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha ultra settings in eSport games hahahaha

Currently running a 5800x3d and a 6900xt, hoping it will remain relevant till am6. Thanks for ur hard work HUB crew

@SimonMedia666

Жыл бұрын

5800X3D and RTX 3080, I think my CPU will outlive the GPU.....

@emymagkuchen

Жыл бұрын

I got a 6800 XT and want to get the 5800x3D with the same goal soon :) AMDs Pascal moment?

@RipRahat

Жыл бұрын

thats a good line up, i think you will be fine for a long time!

@Blerpa

Жыл бұрын

5800X3D and 3080 Ti. I'm deciding if going 4090 (I run a 3440x1440p 21:9 monitor and it needs the oomph), but otherwise staying put for a decent while, for sure!

@ShinraT02

Жыл бұрын

5800x3d with 4070 and im happy because i only changed from 3600 and 1060 and my pc feel way more better in esport games

Recently dropped a 5800x3d in my 2017 X370 board. Crazy to think that my previous build on intel had to be rebuilt entirely yet AMD has kept me going for 6 years

@1Forn61

9 ай бұрын

Ye like for real, im so jelly rn. My Mobo and CPU are dying rn and i need a new Build and i will def go to AMD now(AM5).. been watching how long they supported AM4, in relation to intel which had since 2018, two new CPU Sockets so you gotta build a whole new system every two year with Intel whilst on AMD you are safe for 4-6 years.

@_TheElMan

4 ай бұрын

Yes, however if you bought an i99900 you wouldn't of needed to upgrade in this time and have a top tier CPU for all this time.

@DigitalBliss69

2 ай бұрын

@@_TheElMan 9900k is at 3700x level. 5800x3D is slightly faster than 12900k

@Alexdbre

Ай бұрын

Sorry for commenting on this old Comment, but did it work? I had a x370 Crosshair VI Hero and it did not support the 5800x3d at all! Maybe it was the fault of the latest Bios update? Should I have downgraded? My PC went nuts after putting a 5800x3d in it, Ram didn't work anymore, PC needed 4x longer to start, pc was incredibly unstable, most of the time needed 3 tries to even boot at all without giving a full black screen! Got myself an X570-E Gaming from Asus and now everything is super Snappy and crisp, everything works! I only paid a total of 250€ for both aswell, so not a bad deal, considering a new Mobo on the AM5 would cost me 450€. I would have gotten anyways an X570 board for the PBO setting (Rn at -30 all cores), but it was still weird, or is my x370 board dead? The Ryzen 7 2700x ran flawless on it.

@DigitalBliss69

Ай бұрын

@@Alexdbre First time hearing something like this, are u sure u had the latest bios for the x370 ? Did u try other bios? I had a 5700x on a x470 but my motherboard had an issue where even from day one it couldn’t boot up in dual channel. So when I got an Rtx 4080 I sold it all and bought the 7800x3d and b650 works great. The 5700x worked really well with the 6800xt I had but to my shock when I paired it with the 7800x3d everything seemed so much smoother , higher minimums and less frame drops even though 5700x was good overall. I’m sure 5800x3d would be good too but didn’t wanna run in single channel mode with a 4080 lol

Definitely the comparison I have been looking forward to for a long time. Kudos Hardware Unboxed!

3700X to 5800X3D was such an easy upgrade for me and I love it. I like the idea of getting the most bang-for-buck, especially in times where prices for hardware have risen so much.

@octoman_games

Жыл бұрын

thats what I have! Awesome upgrade!

@rambotech_

Жыл бұрын

If you are looking for the most bang-for-buck upgrade and you're already satisfied with the performance of the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, it's a good choice to stick with it. Upgrading to the 5800X3D or waiting for future releases might not provide significant improvements that justify the cost, especially considering the current high prices of hardware.

@RecklessFables

Жыл бұрын

I did this as well. And the state of gaming has left me in the positive position of having a huge backlog of current-gen games to play for a few years.

@aga1nsty0u

Жыл бұрын

i went from 1700 in 2017 to 7800x3d in 2023, jump is huge xD

@techie7702

Жыл бұрын

I did the exactly the same upgrade, also changing to 64GB of slower ECC DRAM as I also do a lot of dev work, performance is great.

I have never had the fps stability that I get from the 5800X3D. It works amazing with my 4080 for running games at 3440x1440

@rambotech_

Жыл бұрын

If you are currently satisfied with the performance of the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, it might be more beneficial for you to wait for future releases, such as Zen 4 processors, to see if they offer any significant improvements over the existing options.

@jeremytine

Жыл бұрын

got any cpu comparisons? 5600x /3090 here and debating which cpu to upgrade to. giving my 5600x away and trying to decide if staying with am4.

@adriankoch964

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremytine IMO upgrading the plattform should only be done once you need something other than the CPU (more M2 slots or more higher speed PCIe lanes so you can add way more SSDs and still get fast speeds, for example). Otherwise, most people on AM4 looking to improve gaming performance should go with a 5800X3d - it should retain good resell value as it will permanently remain best gaming related CPU for that plattform (while a 7800X3d will eventually be superceded on AM5), so that you will be able to get a good discount whenever you feel like an upgrade down the road. By waiting to make the plattform switch, you'll benefit from the improvements in DDR5 memory speeds (and newer gen motherboards to benefit from them) and newer Ryzen CPUs down the road.

@jeremytine

Жыл бұрын

@@adriankoch964 thanks but I don't need help in decision making, I'm just looking for specific data.

@21skyrim

Жыл бұрын

That’s the exact thing I was hoping for! I also have an ultra wide and 4080 but just a 5600x

It's great to see the 5800x3D hold up very well. I'd like to see more comparisons for these using building style simulator games like Planet Coaster, Dyson Sphere Program etc. I used to get 60-70 fps on Planet Coaster with the R9 3900x and upgrading to the R7 5800x3D took it up to 140-150 fps which was amazing and it'd be great to see what whether those kind of games would benefit even more from the R7 7800x3D or not.

@LupusAries

Жыл бұрын

I second that, maybe throw in Some Arma 3, DCS, the IL-2s, Automobilista 2...BeamNG?

@whatif8741

Жыл бұрын

I'm planning on moving from the Ryzen 9 3900x to the 5800x3d next month. This is good to know

@LupusAries

Жыл бұрын

@@whatif8741 Friend of mine did exactly the same, he seems rather happy.

@TheScrubmuffin69

8 ай бұрын

Cities skylines 2 for real

@Serandi1987

7 ай бұрын

Still can't find any reason to upgrade my 5800X3D & 4090 at 120Hz 4k gaming and 115 FPS limit! I'll wait until AM6 and DDR6👍🏻

Good video! Thanks! You guys are doing really well and I'm really liking almost all your videos over the past 2 years or so. So, thanks again! And for sure, the more comparisons the better. It's *_work_* for you guys but great for us! :D I personally would also like to see some comparisons with Intel processors. :)

Would love to see comparisons to both the 7700 and possibly X variants around the same price point

@mariuspuiu9555

Жыл бұрын

about on par with the 5800x3d.

@nequleg

Жыл бұрын

at least in Denmark, the 7900 & 7900X are the same price as the 7800X3D

@X862go

Жыл бұрын

It's not very much in terms of performance expect whenever you have a full all core workload. the Ryzen 7 7700 can boost up to 5.3GHz, while the Ryzen 7 7700X boosts up to 5.4GHz. However, due to the difference in TDP, the lower power 65W Ryzen 7 7700 may not realistically boost as high when all cores are being used

@DKTronics70

Жыл бұрын

@@mariuspuiu9555 On par ? Perhaps in 3D V-cache sensitive games, but everything else the 7700x is WAY ahead of the 5800x3d. Just look at Hardware Unboxed 12-game comparison, and 7700x sits up there near the top dog Intel I9 13900k. Also, emulation such as RPCS3, 7700x has AVX512, and is one of the best CPUs for emulation, in it's price range.

@mariuspuiu9555

Жыл бұрын

@@DKTronics70 obviously talking about gaming.

Had been running a 3600 with a MEG Unify X570. Obviously an entry tier Ryzen with a top-spec motherboard - which I bought as I needed those PCI-E slots (have a 10GB SFP+ NIC, and SAS card for attached 16 Bay DAS). So I had two options, either jump up to ZEN4, or actually help the beastly MEG Unify realise its full potential. So I decided to grab the 5800X3D for $480AUD, and spend the rest getting a PS5, and a 6700XT to replace my aging 1080. Couldn't be happier all round. I was an early adopter of the first Ryzen, so am happy to wait for Ryzen 8000.

Great video. I am getting a new system started and have been collecting the miscellaneous non specific parts like the case, power supply, drives, etc. I was at a crossroads of going AM4 or 5 with the x3d chips compared in this video. Cost is a factor to some degree. I ultimately decided on the AM4 path, as the issues around AM5 scare me. The jump in performance is not worth the extra cost or heartache for me. The 5800x3d offers great performance, reliability, and value. A winning combination in my book. I am still using a 7th gen i5 paired with a Radeon rx580 8gb that is still able to keep up with the games I play in August 2023, so although AM4 is old the 5800x3d, paired with a high end GPU will still be kicking out enough performance for many a year to come.

@paulrakis

3 ай бұрын

Thats right brother. thats why i just built my computer in Nov of last year with all AM4. 5800x3d with a Asus b 550m wifi motherboard. 7800XT red devil card. All works awesome.

Just wanted to say thank you for the work you guys do!!! Going to wait for next gen since I mostly game CoD and Diablo

5800x3D and 3080ti user here. GPU upgrade will definitely be happening before a CPU upgrade for me! The question is, 4080 or 7900XTX? Decisions to be made!

@roscoecoe3504

Жыл бұрын

If you play VR go with the 4080. Google VR performance & the 7900xtx. The driver's were so bad I couldn't even use my VR headset "Reverb G2".Bought a 4090 & problem solved. I then upgraded to the 7800X3D from the Intel 17 10700k & nothing but problems.

@benhughes2563

Жыл бұрын

I was a 58000X3D / 3080ti user myself but just upgraded to a 4080 for 3440 x 1440. Big improvement but I hear the 7900XTX can get better raster performance at the expense of worse ray tracing performance. DLSS3 though has been a life saver in Plague Tale: Requiem as I'm mostly seeing around 120fps (my systemwide lock) with it on and still looks great.

I went from early adopting AM4 (R5 1600) and then going thru R5 2600 and R5 3600 up to R5 5600X, and topping it all off with R7 5800X3D, and I´m very pleased with this route, and I will stay on this for the forseeable future. Great content as always mate.

@DoubleAAce

Жыл бұрын

Thats so stupid upgrading every year aint worth it. Why would you buy 5800x non 3D

@MrBoombast64

Жыл бұрын

@@DoubleAAce Well those R5:s was sold and given to other needing in and around my family, so I didn´t care. And I wrote wrong it is a X3D ;) :)

@DoubleAAce

Жыл бұрын

@@MrBoombast64 oh ok that makes a lot more sense

@manuelsputnik

Жыл бұрын

👍👍👍👍 nice bro. It must be a thrill to upgrade your system 4 times and breathe new life into your stuff. Honestly, if am5 future product life cycle is anything like their AM4 life cycle, then I am very tempted to get into AMD early.

@tonycarlson9013

Жыл бұрын

Was that all with the same motherboard? If so which one?

Thank you for this content Hardware Unboxed!!!

Thanks for adding RT to your CPU tests. I know for a while everyone was ignoring RT tests for CPUs because it's such a GPU intensive process, but I think this clearly shows that RT can pretty heavily load the CPU as well.

I'd love to see a comparison between the 7700 and the 5800x3d. When I planned my upgrade, it was recommended I do the whole platform and not just add the 5800x3d to my old rig. I'm curious whet the difference really would have been. I know my old setup would be different than your test system but a vague idea would be nice :)

@Shannon-ul5re

Жыл бұрын

Ive done the same but to the 5700x, with the 3070.. thinking of passing it on to my son who wants a pc and upgrading to maybe the AM5 chipset, but its expansive.

I would be interested in the *7600 non-x version* but tuned/adjusted, (quick and dirty tuning is fine too, to save time for you). Because it's price to much closer(cheaper) to the 5800X3D and the *tuned 7600* represent what and avarege Hub user would do, so I imagine.

Thanks for including ACC in your review!!!

Thanks for the content. Upgrading is such a mixed bag of decisions especially to get VR working! While i appreciate the bulk of your viewers are into the games you test with is there any chance of including DCS or MSFS with either VR or 4K? I suspect the 4K performance would be the closest analogy. In any case keep up the good work, I always feel a bit better informed after each of your presentations.

It's probably going to be a lot of work so it's understandable if you won't consider it, but I think it would be great to benchmark at least one R7 and I7 from every gen from original Zen to 7800X3D to see the improvements on both sides.

@shepardpolska

7 ай бұрын

From 6th gen to 10th intel used the same core design, same IPC, just higher clocks, so I don't imagine there is going to be much difference between skylake, and overclocked skylake with more cores, apart from games that use the extra cores.

Once again, thank you so much for the ACC benchmarks! Sim racing titles benefit so much from these CPUs

@mrb552

Жыл бұрын

iRacing benchmarks would be welcomed as well (triple screens at 1080p and 1440p).

@JohnnyEMatos

Жыл бұрын

@@mrb552 Indeed, but from what I've seen in other videos iRacing benefits from X3D chips just as much as ACC

Thanks for testing at 1440p & 4k too- it's really good info for us that game at those resolutions

We simracers appreciate so much that is channel offer ACC benchmarks. This is the only channel i saw benchmarks to ACC. Thanks.

Another vote for the same test with an RX 7900 GPU! Understanding the relationship of cost to FPS between Nvidia and AMD GPUs would be extremely helpful. Great content!

Thanks for the interesting comparison. I would have liked to have seen a comparison of CPU power usage and overall system power usage, just to see if there is much difference and in which direction.

This comparison is long overdue, thanks for this HU team!

Great vid and info like always. Interested in a 5900x comparison since it was also a great gaming processor before the 5800x3d and where it ranks between them.

@puffyips

Жыл бұрын

*below them

Beginning of the year I switched the 5800x3d into my 2018 b450 motherboard and I am really happy with it (paired with a 4070ti). The only game I regularly run into a CPU bottleneck situation with is MS Flight Simulator, where FPS can easily go into the 20s. That's why I suggest this game to be in the testing suite. It can crush any CPU.

@mariohnyc

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, i'm a bit disappointed they don't use MSFS for benchmarks. They could use one of the addon replay tools, do a quick flight around LAX, and use the replay as the benchmark test.

This makes sense, I was thinking of the 5800x3d as a drop-in upgrade for my hybrid workstation/gaming machine and its current 3600 - and delay a full transition to AM5 for a while

Thank you Steve, again a high quality test and analysis. What I personally would like to see next, the 5700X vs. 7700 testing, because, with the current video, the picture would be complete. See You again next time. 👍

It would be interesting for sure to compare the performance of a 7700, but I would go down to the 7600 which costs significantly less and it might turn out to be the best value

@Habixus

Жыл бұрын

It's by far the better value. 5600 non-x is still better value though, but no future upgrades possible. I made a whole excel sheet with all 5000,7000, 12th + 13th gen CPUs before buying the 7600X.

@MattiaMirabello

Жыл бұрын

7600 now, 8800X3D when zen5 drops

@Damir_Turk

Жыл бұрын

Im thinking jumping to 7600 non x and use it for 4k ultra as on those settings there isnt much difference between others more exepsive cpu

@Habixus

Жыл бұрын

@@Damir_Turk you always have to be careful with such statements. It's correct when looking at the situation but not technically. It's not that the cpu won't deliver higher fps at 4k ultra, it's just that the gpu can't keep up anymore. Especially the cpu hiccups 1% and 0.1% lows are probably still relevant. And once you upgrade to a newer/better gpu, you might instantly hit the cpu limit.

@Damir_Turk

Жыл бұрын

@@Habixus i know it will hit cpu limit cuz im gonna switch to a 7900 xtx but for me 7600 non x will be fine till much better cpu come down the line and is much better upgrade from my 5600x. my only problem is this new am5 boards are not so stable with ram memory and boot times are still high compared to my current setup

Actually the CPU I would like to see the most is the R5 7600, too me this is the sweet spot currently for AM5 gaming and I am more likely to upgrade this CPU "in the future" hopefully with some later AM5 X3d (essentially AM5 mirroring AM4) in a couple years time. Either way, informative video and it's a no brainer for me , AM5 all the way

@CyberneticArgumentCreator

Жыл бұрын

There's just no reason to go current-gen AMD for gaming if you aren't using the X3D SKUs. The 13600k's existence in the midrange makes all of the non-X3D CPUs irrelevant.

@resensegaming

Жыл бұрын

​@Cybernetic Argument Creator 7600 is 80usd cheaper than the 13600k and will get support till atleast 2026 while using less than half the power.

@fenwayandwrigley

Жыл бұрын

​@@CyberneticArgumentCreator I hear what your saying, in a perfect world we would all have 4090's and 7800x3d's. However, the VAST majority of gamers don't have $2700 Canadian for two components ONLY. $600 for a 7800x3d isn't an insignificant price vs a $300 r5 7600.

@vaeger2947

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@CyberneticArgumentCreator am5 is still going to be supported for the future while 13th gen is the last in its socket so it would make sense to invest into am5

@lkz

Жыл бұрын

Seems just as possible that current AM5 boards age poorly or that current RAM is too slow in two generations.

I’ve been waiting for this video since the 7800X3D released. Thank you, Steve

Great comparison as always. I wonder if the nvidia driver overhead is also worth a mention here in (intentionally) cpu based scenarios... Maybe a footnote for some of the most cpu bound places (eg hogsmede?!) when using a 7900xtx instead?

I'd be curious to know at what point does the difference between the two go to nothing when you go down the stack. I.e. can we conclude that it's a nice boost at times with the 4090 but with the 4070 ti they're the same?

@rahulahl

Жыл бұрын

Not if you reduce settings. a 4070Ti with reduced settings would be similar to 4090 on ultra settings. Most people have a target FPS in their mind, specific to the game. If they don't reach that target, they lower settings. Some people might be happy with 60 FPS, others want 100. Chances are if you play with a 4070 Ti reduced settings, if you get a 4090, you will just turn settings up and aim for a minimum of similar FPS. Thats why CPU testing is done with an overkill GPU so you can judge yourself how those numbers apply to your usecase.

Great video. I would love if the same comparison was done with the 7900 XT or 7900 XTX, as not only are those GPU's way affordable than a 4090 and therefore relevant for more people when considering real world builds. Plus it would also allow for some comparing on where the CPU bottleneck comes into play, since with supposedly Nvidia drivers being more CPU heavy there could be interesting differences.

@userdjee834

Жыл бұрын

Agree, you couldn't have said it better

@stefannita3439

2 ай бұрын

The driver CPU overhead discussion is interesting, but with just the 4090 data you can do some quick math to get ballpark answers to your other questions. When paired with the 4090, the 5800X3D is 84% of the performance of the 7800X3D at 1080p and 89% of the performance at 1440p according to this video. So in theory at 1080p the 5800X3D is perfectly fine with any GPU that's capable of up to 84% of the 4090's performance, and any GPU that's capable of up to 89% 4090 performance at 1440p. The 7900 XTX and 4080 Super are around 81-82% of the performance of the 4090 (TechPowerUp GPU database), so they should be perfect pairings with the 5800X3D at 1080p while at 1440p you still have some headroom for a slightly better GPU. Of course all of this flies out the window if you only play Hogwarts Legacy and CS2, but that's the nature of averages lol

Thanks for the shoutout to the 7700 non-X at the end! I just built my new PC a couple weeks ago, finally moving up from my 6-year old i7-6700/Radeon RX 480 PC, and I knew I needed an AM5 PC to better future-proof my new machine for at least the next 5 years - But at the same time I didn't see buying 7800X3D, and a more expensive PCU to support it, plus a separate cooler, to be worth the added $200-$300 expense. So I went with the Ryzen 7 7700 paired with an RX 7900XT, so that I get the benefits of AM5 at a lower cost, _plus_ I have a solid and cheaper upgrade path with future AM5 CPU's!

Good vid as always, be interesting to mix the 7700 and also compare maya/houdini/resolve benches as well for productivity between all three.

A great review that I wish I had waited for before making an upgrade decision HOWEVER.. One area I am now heavily focusing on is the power-to-output delivery, prices of electricity being as it is so I would have REALLY appreciated a measure of energy used to run these games included in the stats, both how much is being drawn at the power socket and how much the CPUs are using at each resolution. Thought of the day - the brain only uses 20W to run your body! Thanks for the content

@theplayerofus319

Жыл бұрын

For some people these 20 watts are wasted doe😂. But to your point: the x3d chips are really power efficent so yeah would have been nice to see

@retrosimon9843

Жыл бұрын

@@theplayerofus319 Yep on top of that My 58x3d happily runs -30 on the curve optimizer

@theplayerofus319

Жыл бұрын

@@retrosimon9843 i run my 4070 on 100 watts with 2450mhz and the 5800x3d stock. Gotta undervolt it too but im unsure how exactly gotta watch a review.

@MisterPikol

Жыл бұрын

In that case you wanna go with 7000 series but non x, and even more so, non 3D, non x has a tdp of 65w while 3d over 100w.

@retrosimon9843

Жыл бұрын

@@theplayerofus319 I can do it in the bios. Updated it .

Thanks for testing 4K, even though the lower resolutions are a good indicator of future hardware/older game fps, 4K results still help with whether or not a CPU upgrade is currently beneficial.

@SidorovichJr

Жыл бұрын

Fortunately its not. Playing in 4k is a secret lifehack they dont want you to know

@ThunderingRoar

11 ай бұрын

​@@SidorovichJr Secret life hack in what? Having to upgrade gpu every generation

Thankyou for this. Looking at purchasing a new rig based on the 7800x3d before tax time. This was the final push i needed to help me decide to spend the extra $$ on am5

Thanks for the video. I've enjoyed the 7800X3D in my system.

@fiece4767

5 ай бұрын

Which motherboard was your choice and did it matter to you?

Hey Steve! This would probably be a niche video but could you do a single video comparing odd ball resolutions to the standards tested? I play at 3440x1440p so I know my fps would slot between 1440p and 4K but I’m wondering how far that scale tips in either direction.

@lkz

Жыл бұрын

You could just benchmark games on your own PC at 1440, ultrawide, and 4K. You don't need a 4K screen to make your GPU render at 4K.

Love the video, this is an incredible amount of work. Would like to see DLSS on GPU limited tests to see where the CPU cap is with 4k Ray Tracing on things like Cyberpunk and Hogwarts but I'm still extremely happy with everything you showed in this video. Amazing work

@sijedevos2376

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I would also like to see dlss. I use dlss 2 in every game I play because it often looks sharper and don’t mind the minimal artifacting from time to time. I have a 3440x1440p screen and DLSS Quality makes it render at 1080p Ultrawide. I upgraded to the 7800x3d from a 5800x (non 3d) paired with a RTX 3080 and with RT and CPU heavy game I’ve seen some wild gains. Cyberpunk for example with RT Reflections and DLSS Quality went from 50-65fps to 75-90fps. In the last of us there are a few cpu demanding areas where I dipped below 60 or around 65 with rough input lag because gpu usage dropped. With 7800x3d those areas now give me 85-90fps and less stuttering which is a huge improvement in smoothness.

Thank you so much for the comparison in Asseto Corsa Competizone ❤

I'd love to see a mid-range gpu alongside too, even thou its a CPU benchmark. But that's just nitpicky to be fair. The job u do is great and you're my go-to channel for any cpu/gpu reviews! Keep up the good work !! :D

You may consider putting the little siblings, 7600 on the charts along with the 7700 to to see the differences with the 5800X3D. Power consumption numbers would be interesting to see too if you're up to measure them, Steve. 😁

Definitely interested in adding the 7700. Although at the current pricing in the UK, the 7700X is cheaper than the 7700!

Interesting! How would the numbers change if you tested the 5800X3D on a pcie 3 board though? Many of us are still on b350/x370/b450 boards who lack pcie 4 support.

@GreekSIMRACING

Жыл бұрын

2% difference on low resolution

awesome content, we want more cpu's listed and compared, as being sure you have mainly all other variables under control it provides valuable information that leads to better desitions

Thanks Steve, great work as always, I am personally looking at buying a new AM5 system but feel conflicted about the CPU to purchase - 7800X3d vs. 7700X? I will be playing 90% games like Cyberpunk but wonder if I pair with a GPU like the RX 7900 XTX that RT gaming at 4K is viable. So I would like to see the 7700X included and maybe RX 7900 XTX as well! I know this is more work for you, but getting a 4090 GPU is just so expensive still for most gamers so maybe including top AMD GPU (for now) will be useful comparison as well?

Yes, please include the 7700. But also, can you do the same test with RX 7900 XTX to compare the GPU driver overhead difference on these CPUs vs RTX 4090? Obviously the 4090 will wipe the floor with the AMD card in GPU bound scenarios but it would be interesting imo, how it does in CPU limited scenarios. Will it make the gap between the CPU smaller or will it benefit the 7800X3D even more?

@Zuggaguz

Жыл бұрын

Agreed and the premium of 4090 is hardly worth it, unless money isn't a problem. Even just having the data set of the titles with the biggest CPU performance differences would give an interesting insight to the matter.

5800X3D is the way to go for Zen 3 owners! Thanks for this data HU

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

Жыл бұрын

and zen2 or 1.

@xKamiiii

Жыл бұрын

nah. it's overpriced and has bad temperatures even with aio and only worth it if you're playing strategy/mmorpg games. for everything else the 5600 is waaay better price-to-performance wise

@ThunderingRoar

Жыл бұрын

@@xKamiiii 290€ for 5800x3d, i wouldn't call that overpriced

@Majesthion

Жыл бұрын

@@xKamiiii Fake News. Im using it with Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT. Literally 0 Noise. Temps are good when you Undervolt it.

@TrueThanny

Жыл бұрын

@@xKamiiii There are no issues cooling the 5800X3D.

Sticking with the 5800x3d for a while, not swapping out my platform for min gains in Halo Infinite and Cyberpunk. Thanks for the great work as always.

great comparison :) really interesting I know i might be a bit late, but as someone looking to upgrade on my AM4 platfor ideally, would you look at other value propositions from upgrade options (5600(x)x/2800x non-3D?

I fat fingered the socket on my Z290 board so I wanted a cheap replacement. A 3600X and B450 was cheap, and offered around the same performance as my 6700k. I wasn't that impressed with it as it was boring. I could only tune my memory, wasn't much overclocking headroom to be had. However I'm glad I switched, because I did slot in a 5800X3D in the same motherboard. If I would've went for a 5900X I would've upgraded the board, but because its so locked, I seem to get all the performance out of it. Overall it cost me 365 CAD on sale to upgrade my CPU. Combined with the 1000 CAD I spent on my 6950XT, I have a pretty high-end PC for less than what Jensen wants for a 4080.

YES!! I needed this video really hard. Yesterday was struggling to find a great comparison between these two monsters. Personally I think that the 5800x3d is the way to go if you don't want to struggle with voltages or if you plan to skip this 7000 Gen.

@rustler08

Жыл бұрын

Here's the thing: even if you skip this 7000-gen, guess what? 9000 and 11000 are going to still be on AM5. Also, there is no voltage struggle. It's a huge waste of money to throw $300 at a single component in a dead chassis. Because it's just going to lose value, and by the time 9000-series is out, your $300 CPU+ AM4 board will now be worth less than what the CPU is worth.

@savagej4y241

Жыл бұрын

@@rustler08 They're referring to AM5 boards (especially ASUS) misregulating SoC voltage and so being able to permanently damage 7000-gen CPU's and sockets. AMD had to issue firmware updates to limit SoC voltage to 1.3V. Makes sense to wait for problems AM5 platform has to be resolved.

@kennY_72

Жыл бұрын

@@savagej4y241 Aren't they solved yet?

@jacklang2349

Жыл бұрын

@@kennY_72 i dont think so, so you need avoid Asus on AM5

@randomguydoes2901

Жыл бұрын

​@@rustler08 it's definitely not a waste of money if you have a zen 2 or older already. But I wouldn't build new with 5800x3d, unless of course you can snag a $50 mobo and get a good deal on ram as well.

Can barely wait for this, I'm just asking myself the same question!

While testing at different resolutions, do you guys just run the game at different resolutions on a 4k monitor or do you use native resolutions on different monitors, i.e. running 1080p on a 1080p monitor and the like?

Would have been cool to have 7900xtx as well to compare 4090 nvidia driver overhead

@haukikannel

Жыл бұрын

With this fast CPUs the driver overhead will have minimum effect! If you have low end CPUs.. there the difference can have effect.

@CyberneticArgumentCreator

Жыл бұрын

@@haukikannel Untrue, every consumer CPU in existence bottlenecks the 4090. CPU power directly translates to FPS if you have a 4090, you want every ounce.

would like to see how these processors scale with graphics cards as well.

Interesting video, thanks!! It could be interesting indeed to compare 7800X3D and the 7700 in the different situations.

Great video thanks! I currently have the 3800x3d and I wonder what ram should I use for the best experience? I have the team group cl14 3200 16gb Thanks in afvance

I used the 3700x on a cheap asus b450 gaming motherboard for a few years and just recently upgraded to a 5800X3D and noticed huge fps gains. I'm very happy with AMD

@Fucklesticks

8 ай бұрын

I'm about to buy the 5800x3d to retire my 5600x. Probably not the best gains but i need that CPU on another machine AND i'm looking forward to reducing the bottleneck on my 6800xt, i'm excited.

@sdrgaming665

7 ай бұрын

Out of curiosity what were the Gains? I’m rocking a 3800XT and thinking of going for the upgrade.

@sparda9060

Ай бұрын

Yepppppp... lol I get more FPS playing World of Warcraft with my 2nd gaming PC with 5800X and Radeon VII from 2019 with 200 FPS vs my 3700X with 7900XTX sapphire nitro at 120 FPS ROFLMAO.... im waiting few more months to upgrade to 7800X3D on new platform.

It would be nice to see something like WoW in these CPU test. Still semi high playerbase, fps issues, and almost no test online. I'm sure people would upgrade more often if they had this info. Heavy CPU usage on small amount of cores and very often the CPU is the bottleneck. My last 5800X3D upgrade from 3700X almost doubled the framerate in the main city + raids. Would be nice to know info about other (maybe older) massive games that are having similar FPS issues, but no test anywhere.

@GewelReal

Жыл бұрын

any game from before 2012 will benefit massively from the V cache for example Roblox gets like 50%-100% bump in FPS from 5800X to 5800X3D

@hyper_channel

Жыл бұрын

@@GewelReal Tarkov also gets a huge boost from the X3D

@ThunderingRoar

Жыл бұрын

most MMOs have high benefits from X3D cpus, i heard a lot of wow and star citizen players praising the 3DV$, sadly barely anyone benchmarks them

@wolfwilkopter2231

Жыл бұрын

SWTOR runs much more stable and high FPS and ESO pretty much never drops below the 100FPS limit anymore, coming from an 3700X too (RTX3080 12GB @ QHD). Dunno with WoW (never played it), but i can imagine that its profiting heavily from the cache and higher IPC as well.

@Monsux

Жыл бұрын

@@GewelReal Yeah, I have heard this, but sadly haven't seen any wide scale tests to showcase these games with new X3D CPUs. Just other people experiments with two CPUs or similar. It's way more work to test MMO's, because testers have to know what are the main issues for FPS drops + create these scenarios like 30 man raids and high population cities. Simple single player leveling CPU test wouldn't show how well these can scale vs other CPUs.

Great video!!!!

I really wish you guys would do ultrawide tests in the future. I know it’s a small and still niche resolution but it’s supported in almost every title and it’s becoming ever more popular these days.

@DanielHodgson

Жыл бұрын

Performance for ultra wide will typically be between 1440p and 4k. I don't see much value in adding that testing, especially considering all the additional testing involved.

@deadlyzebra123

Жыл бұрын

@@DanielHodgson For sure, that's usually how I get an idea but it would be nice to see actual numbers and what they are getting rather than guesstimating on every title is all.

It would be nice to see the results with different GPUs 👀 Especially considering the extra overhead of nvidia drivers.

@haukikannel

Жыл бұрын

No problem with fast CPUs like these. If you have slow CPU… it can have effect.

@mryellow6918

Жыл бұрын

​@@haukikannel that makes 0 sense

bought a 5800x3d a few weeks ago and upgraded from my r7 1700 massive upgrade for under 300 bucks and just put it in my 85 bucks cheap b350 motherboard and works fine

Thanks for the comparison Steve. And yes!! I would love to see 5800X3D Vs 7700 clashing

Love the content. If you can find the time and think it'll be interesting for you as well, i'd love to see a comparison between b450 and b550 motherboards. I am still running an msi b450 carbon wifi with a 2600(non-x) and am considering upgrading to the 5800x3d. I'm just not sure if i would get the full performance out of the 5800x3d, or that it would be better to go for the 5800x on this (or comparable) motherboard.

@lkz

Жыл бұрын

You can find this information elsewhere, it's not a major difference.

Crazy left field suggestion; what about a previous high refresh gaming champion like the i9 9900K? It would be interesting to see how far we've progressed in 5 years.

@rahulahl

Жыл бұрын

I upgraded from i9 9900k to 7950X3D at 1440p with an RTX 3080. It was a massive upgrade. Hogwarts Legacy went from 80ish to 140ish FPS. Satisfactory went from 22FPS to 85FPS. CSGO went from 300ish to 600-700ish FPS.

@Fidelius1992

Жыл бұрын

@@rahulahl the 7950x3d is faster by no means, but if u actually had those kind of increases i doubt your 9900k was configured correctly.

@eroll001

Жыл бұрын

@@rahulahl Were you using a single 4gb ram stick with your 9900k?

@RafitoOoO

Жыл бұрын

​@@Fidelius1992 you'd be surprised how far behind in the past those tired skylake cores are. The 9900K was great 5 years ago, that's a LONG time in tech.

@xthelord1668

Жыл бұрын

@@Fidelius1992 people forget 9900k was a zen 2 competitor in gaming i guess and yes skylake cores are dated as hell plus suck a ton of power compared to even a 5800x3d that is how much CPU's have improved to the point where yes 7th gen will be playable but will suck power and look hideous

i was on the fence with a 3700X for a while. I thought I was holding out for the 7800X3D but once the 7950X3D reviews came out I bought a 5800X3D and have been perfectly happy since. Yeah, it's not the fastest gaming CPU on the market, but it's still in the top ten and that more than good enough for me until we see the next generation of CPU's and platforms.

This comparison comes at the right time, because I was wondering about this exact question. I'm building a small PC for the living room that will also be for light gaming.

Cracking work given you're only just back from Computex. Given that 1% lows are often so high, can you please add 0.1% lows? Or would that mean that benchmark times are too short? 1000 seconds is over 10 minutes. Something I didn't spot you mention (maybe I missed it) is that the 7800X3D has 4 extra PCIe lanes available, and PCIe v5 to boot. That's an extra M.2 card or a 10 Gb ethernet card. Aside from that, perhaps you might address the elephant in the room: will there be a 7950X3D2, with extra cache on both chiplets?

DDR5, when properly tuned for timings vs, frequency, has *_REALLY_* made a difference in 1%/0.1% low framerates -- which to me is the *_most important thing._*

@JGStonedRaider

Жыл бұрын

I upgraded to a 7800X3D 3 weeks ago from an 11600k system with 32GB B-die. Tested two Corsair 48GB kits 7000Mhz + 6400Mhz XMP, a 32GB kit of Corsair 5200Mhz and finally a 64GB kit of Kingston 5600Mhz. I was searching for Hynix chips and the Kingstons came with them. The difference between tuned Micron chips (CL36 with tighter seconds) vs tuned Hynix (CL30 + buildzoid + extra tuning) is pretty obvious. War Thunder minimums on Movie preset @ 1440p went from about 295/300 to 325/330ish. Unfortunately I didn't record the 0.1% lows :(

@tars3249

Жыл бұрын

Any benchmarks for that against b die ddr4 4400 cl16 or 4000 cl14? For an apples to apples comparison.

@Battal_Gazi

Жыл бұрын

Which ddr5? 4800 or 6000?

@ocha-time

Жыл бұрын

That's a good point. Averages are averages, but you notice the stutters, not the 99%.

@Habixus

Жыл бұрын

Using a 7600x since December 2022, I had the issue with bugged sleep mode when using ram at 5600 or higher. So I manually put in 5400 CL30 with igor's "slightly tuned sweetspot" timings. 1% lows were a lot higher than 5600 CL36 xmp/expo and I'm still using it with IF synced at 1800. The bug apparently isn't a thing anymore, but the power consumption is quite a bit lower this way and the fps are more than awesome.

I did consider upgrading to AM5 but the 5800X3D was only £260 from Amazon and is a drop-in upgrade from my 5600G, which is going to live on in a cheap second hand B450i and paired with a 3060Ti. The X3D will partner my 3090 FE on a B550i board. I really can't see any point in upgrading anything else for at least a year or two.

@elgato5921

11 ай бұрын

Exactly, I recently bought a second hand 5800x3d + mobo for 400€ and coming from a i7 8086k....it is such a beast, I can comfortably wait for AM6 at this point lol

@Krzeszny95

10 ай бұрын

I upgraded from i5-6600k to second-hand B450M with R5 3600X for a while and now switched to 5800X3D for RTS games I'll wait for Ryzen 8000 series and hopefully they'll reduce the IHS thickness but if not, yeah, AM6

For the future it would be nice for CPU tests to include very CPU intense games like Yuzu Emulator and Minecraft

Very good review but why did you not show temp and power consumption for both cpu?

My recent wonder is would a move from a 5900x to a 5800x3D for games make any sense? I could move the 5900x to another board, so I would not sell it, but for gaming would it make much difference coupled with my 3070 (grr, 8GB)?

@optimalsettings

Жыл бұрын

I have done it. Most games now are smoother because of better 1% fps. And its less heat and powerconsumption. So do it !

@Krankily

Жыл бұрын

@@optimalsettings This would be a good case for being able to borrow a processor to test it out with the games I play.

I know it's not a standard testing game, but escape from tarkov heavily benefits from the X3D lineup. It would be cool to see the performance difference between the two on it.

@iikatinggangsengii2471

10 ай бұрын

many aaa benefit from 3d cache, only competitives its somewhat useless and more ghz dependant

best tech buying analysis thanks Steve

nice work, well done.

I also have a 5800X3D and right now for me, at 1440P and 165Hz, my RX 6800XT is the bottleneck. So theoretically if I upgraded to a 7800X3D, I would only see miniscule gains

@xKamiiii

Жыл бұрын

🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ yeah sure man, makes sense

@GregoryShtevensh

Жыл бұрын

@@xKamiiii It does makes sense though lol

@Atilolzz

Жыл бұрын

@@xKamiiii I dont need 600 fps in R6 Siege and I dont play Harry Potter, you can spend your $$$ for 10more fps if you want

@robertopazsoldan9641

Жыл бұрын

You need at least 4080/7900xtx too see a real improvement

I'm using 5800x3D upgrading from 3700x, and what I can tell is that I absolutely content with it ^^ paired with my rtx 3080

@Hardware Unboxed Which bios version is on the AM4 platform? AGESA 1.2.0.A?

Question: if I’m gaming at 4k but use dlss quality to get closer to 120hz, is the margin the same as if I was gaming at 1440p, or is there cpu/gpu overhead somewhere that reduces that / makes it behave more like I’m at real 4k?

Yes, I would be very interested in seeing the 7700 vs the 5800X3D. I currently have a 5600x and I have been trying to talk myself out of the 5800X3D, but it's getting harder and harder...

@nausherali

Жыл бұрын

Same!

@Enrique-pc3eq

Жыл бұрын

It’s worth it if you have the means. I went from a 5600x to a 5800x3D and the minimum 1% gains alone was a game changer for me as the games I primarily play(Paradox Games & Tarkov) greatly improved the experience.

I do think I would like to see the non x 7700 vs the 5800x3d.

Comparing these two to Intel 13600K would help a lot. Also, Microcenter in New York told me there is about a 30% failure rate experience with any DDR5 kit. They said that it’s either the memory, the hardcoded data on the memory, or a combo with the new platforms being not compatible shortly after purchase. I saw a graveyard of DDR5 ram there. DDR1-4 had none of this there.

Great video. Yes - I would like to see 7700 and 7700x on the graphs as well please - with just maybe a code compilation chart as well 😊. I’m looking to build new AM5 system but not just for gaming - programming/compilation also. The 7700 is cost effective as it comes with a cooler, but 7700x has been discounted and in some good combo deals - so I’m torn between the 3 Am5 cpus.

@lkz

Жыл бұрын

Does it really matter how long code takes to compile? If you're choosing between 4 and 16 cores it sure might make a big difference, but..

I'm posting this from my rig with the 5800X3D + RX 6800 XT. I don't need anymore than this.

@ertai222

Жыл бұрын

I'm using the 7800x3d and the 6800xt.

Would be nice to see the same conparison but with prev high end gen gpus, like 3080 and 3090. The majority of customers, wont upgrade to rtx 4000 cause of horrible prices, so would be nice to see how the 5800x3d stand against the 7800x3d with less powerful gpus! And as always, amazing work! Thank you!

Thanks for the info. I’m planning on building a Pc right now and since I’m not that tight on budget, I’ll be going with the 7800x3d then. I don’t know the price change in Europe, but I believe future proving will be more beneficial. That way I can just change to a newer AM5 processor in a few years.

This is such a valuable video for me and the timing is perfect. Cause I am currently in this exact same upgrade spot cause I already ordered my 4090 that I have been saving up for. But need more cpu to go along with it on a oled 4k 120 monitor. Been concerned with growing pains of AM5 and don’t want to risk something going pop and having to deal with all that. And I really like and want to keep my case. But it doesn’t have room for a 360 Aio when combined with the 4090 cause only got space in the front for one so no 13900k. And so this has really helped me decide to just get a 5800x3d and some little bit quicker ram then what I got to maybe help it just a bit more. And I get to not have to backup and reinstall everything on a new Windows 11 and new motherboard. So it all seems like a win win.