I still can't balive that we had WHOLE CONSOLE GENERATION of unstable 30fps games and still a lot of people were saying that PC have worse optimization. How?

@durshurrikun150

Жыл бұрын

And 30 fps games are returning to booth. But muh PC bad because a handfull of shoddy PC ports, right?

@traestephen7276

Жыл бұрын

Lol next gen still 30 fps.

@plottipaa_hauki95

Жыл бұрын

30fps on consoles: I AM ETERNAL

@DioBrando-qr6ye

Жыл бұрын

It does. No matter how powerful your hardware is, the PC version of a game will always, 100% of the times run worse than the console version. What do I mean by that: let's say this console has specs equivalent to a Ryzen 3700 + Radeon 6700 non XT and 16GB of TOTAL memory (between ram and VRAM). Now, take a PC with the same specs and run any game with the same console settings, will it run better or worse? 100% of the times it will run worse. P.S. have you heard about that VR developer that said that the same code runs 10% faster on a PS5 compared to a fuzzin 3090ti?

@durshurrikun150

Жыл бұрын

@@DioBrando-qr6ye Aaaaand you demonstrated your idiocy and console peasantry,good job. Everything you said is factually wrong. The PC version runs better than the console version 99% of times, with the occasional outlier being due to developer incompetence of lazyness. Console versions can barely reach 60 fps, let alone maintain 60 fps these days, while even low end PCs can achieve stable 60 fps. For comparison, spiderman remastered and gow 2018 run at 60 fps on PC, meanwhile they can't run at 60 fps on peasant station 4. It's almost like a good port will always run better than the console port. And meanwhile even a bad PC port most of the time runs better than the console port. Let's keep in mind that a PC port can't maintain stable 60 fps is considered a bad PC port, while the console port is considered good if it can run a game above 30 fps, which would be utterly unacceptable as a standard on PC. Most PC port meanwhile can run at above 60 fps framerate, they are not capped at 60 fps. What kind of dimwitted console peasant claims that?In any comparison between PC and console, the PC version runs better and at higher settings to booth. Source for your last claim: "trust me bro". Not a good source and also, that claim doesn't make sense.

Arkham Knight's PC port was handled by a contractor called Iron Galaxy who, at the time, had only worked on mobile titles.

@heroassassin1068

2 ай бұрын

lol and they’re responsible for last of us pc too. Hope nobody works with them again

@junior1388666

Ай бұрын

They are actually a pretty good foghting game dev. They madr Killer Instinct 2013

Yep, a few bad PC ports (that are all outliers) definitely prove that PC sucks, that makes sense. Let's of course ignore the fact that when you learn statistics they tell you to discard outliers.

@5izzy557

Жыл бұрын

Who said the PC sucks though? I don't understand why people are jumping to that when they are just pointing out actual issues?

@durshurrikun150

Жыл бұрын

@@5izzy557 What actual issues? A few bad ports are not a big problem that needs to be solved immediatly and are not a platform problem, they are a developer problem. The implication here is: PC has bad ports and console doesn't, therefore console is better than PC. This argument is especially stupid because it is a combination of cherry picking and lying. It is based on a handful of outliers, which the video pretends it is the standard on PC and the video pretends that console version run better than PC version, which they most often doesn't happen, and pretends that console bad ports don't happen

@adknife2046

Жыл бұрын

@@5izzy557 the actual issues is not the pc it's the developper who can't optimize their game who can't favorise their game so that's why certain pc port was not good but if the pc port is not good it's the fault of the developper that's it

@5izzy557

Жыл бұрын

@@durshurrikun150 I don't look at it as "consoles are better" or even vis versa, I just look at the objective fact that way too many high profile PC ports are just not good enough at all, today is another example of that "the last of us part 1" it's an utter trash PC port, the ps5 version is currently objectively superior which just shouldn't be happening.

@durshurrikun150

Жыл бұрын

@@5izzy557 The "objective fact" is you cherry picking a few outliers to pretend that consoles are better. By all accounts the bad PC ports are the small minority of them that receive attention due to being bad, leading to bias and to clueless console peasants thinking that they got an argument against PC( when their argument is based on a fallacious premise). Even then, most of those bad ports are bad by PC standards, not console standards and thus ran better than the console versions. Infact, in most cases, the console version ran even worse. It's beyond idiotic to suggest that most PC ports are bad( which aren't even the majority of PC games released). So it's yet another bad port made by a shoddy developer, the same developer that made the arkham knight port. Guess what, peasant, in a few weeks it will be fixed if the community doesn't do it. Meanwhile you have to be wait a lot more for a console version to be fixed, if it ever gets fixed.

It's 2023 and we're still talking about Arkham Knight.

@durshurrikun150

Жыл бұрын

Console peasants always repeat the same old debunked arguments.

@adknife2046

Жыл бұрын

it's just their only argument 😂 that's bad for them or maybe they're jealous i don't know haha

@durshurrikun150

Жыл бұрын

@@adknife2046 They also still use the couch argument or plug and play argument

@5izzy557

Жыл бұрын

we should be, it's a great game 100% worth playing on whatever platform you can get it on.

@durshurrikun150

Жыл бұрын

@@5izzy557 Bollocks. First of all, a game's best version is on PC, which is the superior platform. Second, are you stupid enough to suggest that people should waste thousands of dollars to get all the platforms when they can spend at best 1000$ for a platform that demolishes the other ones?

I hate the different PCs have different hardware arguments. People try to sound smart but don't understand that drivers are a thing.

@aruce9

7 ай бұрын

If anything all console games are made on PCs. Hardware is smoothed over with drivers and graphical APIs to smooth over different hardware configs

@aruce9

7 ай бұрын

If anything all console games are made on PCs. Hardware is smoothed over with drivers and graphical APIs to smooth over different hardware configs

they're always tell arkham knight but cyberpunk on console was a disaster 😂

@QuartzRoolz

Жыл бұрын

*and still is* where as the PC version is... basically fine now, few issues here and there and is a Brilliant game.

@adknife2046

Жыл бұрын

@@QuartzRoolz yeah exactly 👍

One thing that GameRanx failed to point out regarding the PC port of GTA 4 is that there's something called DXVK. It's a plugin of sorts that converts x86 and x64 versions of DirectX titles from 9 to 11 and to Vulkan. The difference in performance is insane just by changing the API regarding GTA 4 when you compare Vulkan to DirectX 9 for GTA 4. Boom, you solved most of your performance issues if you have a newer GPU/CPU combo.

@5izzy557

Жыл бұрын

How did they miss that? the whole point was you need a tutorial to get the game running well on modern HW lol.

@igornikolovski511

Жыл бұрын

@@5izzy557 I think it's just GameRanx like Joe mentioned in this video trying to sound profoundly smart because Falcon has a cool voice but failing at doing any proper research. I don't really blame them for not knowing cause DXVK is something I found out only months ago and yet it's been a thing for couple of years. It doesn't work 100 percent for every game but I always use it for older titles that aren't optimized and I've had good results but still... They are "journalists" I guess or famous content creators, they should've done their research but didn't. I'm kinda glad cause we wouldn't have seen Joe roasting their argument so easily lol.

@Wesmoen

Жыл бұрын

I've seen it coming by sometimes, I'm wondering if this plug-in can be skipped if you're using proton.

@5izzy557

Жыл бұрын

@@igornikolovski511 By saying you need a tutorial, that implies there is a way to do it! It's not a tutorial video man.

@5izzy557

Жыл бұрын

@@igornikolovski511 I enjoy these videos also, regardless whether I agree with all the points or not, discussions are always open, but I'm defo in the camp that gameranx needed to point this out, so it will get this discussion rolling & hopefully something gets done about it. Also, Joe gets some easy ad rev so win-win, but in this case I'm with gameranx 100% (never thought I'd say that lol)

The reason main reason games are developed with the consoles in mind first is because they are the lower limit. For pc the minimum limit can be set as whatever you want but the consoles are a hard non negotiable limit. It would be retarded to develop a muliplatform game for the highest possible pc specs and then realise the consoles can't run it or the areas are to big and you don't have the memory to load all those areas. It is far easier to develop so the fixed specs can handle it and then upscale the graphics/settings so better hardware gets used properly. It isn't a big surprise but also why console hardware keeps back gaming over all. After all if a developer concentrated on pc hardware there is a lot more you could do but because they need to match the lowest common denominator they are stuck at that level of hardware. There is a reason crysis was used as a gold standard for pc for years. It was developed solely for pc at launch and was developed with the max avaiable hardware at the time in mind. Sure low spec pcs couldn't run it properly but that was their decision to make. For years a pc being able to run it smoothly was a testament to that pcs power.

Now that we're on the topic did that guy forget how bioshock infinite was downgraded because of the consoles?

This is why I love the steam deck, It takes what's great about PC, and what's great about console and mashes it up into a mobile device, and since it's being backed by valve some major releases have even gotten optimization fixes for shader stutter

@durshurrikun150

Жыл бұрын

The steam deck has nothing in common with the console, it is a portable PC. It doesn't have anything to do with a console.

@DreamerSouls

Жыл бұрын

@@durshurrikun150 it can provide a similar experience with steamOS, it's just more involved and open

@durshurrikun150

Жыл бұрын

@@DreamerSouls The similar experience of being unable to access the PC library, being unable to emulate, being unable to change your OS or customize the platform in anyway? That's nonsense. By the way, steam big picture mod allows you to get a similar experience to console, does that mean that PC is a console now?

@DreamerSouls

Жыл бұрын

@@durshurrikun150 at the point that I was making, I mean similar In a way of organizing your library in a clean interface, That's really the only similarity. It's one of the things I like about the deck and the new big picture mode

@durshurrikun150

Жыл бұрын

@@DreamerSouls But you can organize your library like that on a desktop or laptop too with big picture mode, there's nothing new here and it doesn't make a console. All in all, the steam deck is a PC, not a console.

Funny thing is that during the 2d era Snes and Genesis performed 60 fps even on the PS2 some games had 60 fps but when the 360 and PS3 era came most games barely had anything higher than 30 with poor textures and a lot of brown 😂. Been on PC since 2017 and haven't looked back other than some switch exclusive games

I’m honestly shocked Falcon didn’t use certain old games needing Dosbox as a point against PCs. Edit: I made it. It’s the end. I’m alive. Hahaha! Thank God!

PC Masterace is forever truth, bow before the obvious!

If I had a dollar for everytime someone brings up Arkham Knight, I'd have enough for a 40 series card

@luukherfst1209

8 ай бұрын

Like as a console fanboy, why would you even try to bring up Arkham Knight in 2023. It's 2023💀

also uh... they do know that in many cases the PC version, even if it was the worst at launch, is now the *only* option to play the game. I'm not even talking like games that just havent been ported forwards to current console gens, I am talking stuff like Battlefeild 2142 which has been kept alive by comunity servers (which EA constantly shut down but whatever) for *years* at this point. also, yes GTA 4 and other games need you to download fanpatches to fix games... but isnt that a good thing? like... I can get a game, and then I can make it better than the devs ever intended. I can fix lingering problems they just never dealt with, Hell I can fix problems they didnt even know existed because they have shown up as PC hardware has progressed. on PC software, Games, never die. they get old and you might need to install some stuff to get them running, but like... you can run them.

With PC gaming still being big early on, don’t forget we got doom in 1993

GameRanx thinking they arent corporate, you got to love those selective memories of theirs, considering they were among the first gaming channels whodidnt knew how fast they had to gamers under the bus when to kiss ass to Sarkeesian, Wu, Maggs, fake Bully Hunters etc appeared on the scene. To please the various publishers and bigger media platforms. Not to mention these two also largely supported the witch hunts against various devs back in the day. I swear those two are a stain to gaming.

Some PC Game ports definitely do need to be looked at. Us having to wait a year, being beta testers, and just broken ports all together. Still better than consoles most of the time, but this talk is still necessary.

Falcon takes the L in this Gameranx video

The guy narrating the videos fort them sounds like he is just arrogant and is being patronizing and condescending towards you while watching the video also 😂 😂

PC is an afterthought for developers. That's why pc gayming blows.

It’s official, fanboyism has migrated to birds

I know this video's over a year old, but my gosh I can't help but need to type this... Why does every Console vs PC argument think that you optimize for the PC's specific hardware... You CAN, when you launch a game and Nvidia's logo flashes, that's because Nvidia helped to eek out a bit of extra performance on that game... but games on PC are not written for hardware, they're written for APIs. This slightly has a performance penalty than directly talking to hardware, but it also makes it so hardware doesn't matter. Game talks to API, which talks to OS, which talks to Drivers, which talks to hardware. The insignificant performance penalty doing it this way is overcome by the fact that the games then don't need to care what you run. They can poll the hardware to see what features are enabled, like DLSS, Ray Tracing and such, but they don't need to be specifically coded for Nvidia's 40 series. The drivers need to accept API calls. It's up to Nvidia, AMD and Intel to ensure their graphics cards can process those calls as efficient and powerful as they can. This is the single biggest reason why you can still play early 2000s games on a future RTX 50 series... and likely see a performance increase barring game engine limitations. Fucking hell. I'm not a game developer. I just research and love PCs and the way they functions. Consoles also use APIs these days as it makes backwards compatibility work much better. Xbox literally means "DirectX Box", the API Windows uses for graphics calls. You code games and game engines for a specific API. You do not code for hardware... This whole "PC has billions of combinations" argument is a solved fucking problem.

I feel slightly called out when you mentioned the 10 people thing, cause I was one of them But on the proper note, you have to be willingly ignorant to make the arguments Falcon makes *UNIRONICALLY*

Love how they bring up issues that were patched. Hey, when is Sega gonna patch all the technical issues with Sonic Boom on the WiiU?

@woldemunster9244

Ай бұрын

Sonic Boom was designed as 4-player co-op PC game. Then they decided that it was a WiiU exclusive and they stripped features until it was almost functional on that (failed) console. I tried to play it on emulator and would love a fan-restoration mod/patch, no amount of compute horsepower will make it good. :D

I was gonna bring out fallout new vegas, but just the fact that you can mod it on pc just ruins any arguement for that game.

And just listening to him talk about hating corporate greed then shilling for a company that makes you pay just to access your own internet and on average will charge more for games over time instead of what you pay on pc is just hilarious to me

Wow the number of half-truths, outdated narratives and false claims they tell here is a league of its own.

wait. Joe got a sponsor !?? im literally shed tear to see how far you got here m8.

dedicated ram is good, it means that you can use cheaper memory for the components that don't work that fast, like the cpu. 16 gb of gddr6 memory is worthless to a cpu.

Am I the only person that did not have a problem running Arkham Knight?

@theblahhhman2614

Жыл бұрын

Hey same what were you specs btw?

I happy to see you getting sponsors. Keep up the good work!

From what I'm getting at on this vid is that pc are generally better then consoles. Some games are jusr poorly optimised for pc and thats why some games run better on console then pc at times.

All I have to say about that video is. Steam Deck. Y'know the PC gaming handheld with a console like experience and essentially console hardware that runs PC software in a handheld format.

@durshurrikun150

Жыл бұрын

The steam deck is a PC

@minisithunknown5568

7 ай бұрын

@@durshurrikun150 XBOX can be a PC too. I just need to install Windows on it. Bam my own PC. I can already connect a mouse a keyboard to it without installing Windows to it.

@durshurrikun150

7 ай бұрын

@@minisithunknown5568 No, it can't. Unless you jailbreak it, it can't be a PC. You can't install windows on it and you can use a controller on PC.

@thefinalboss2403

4 ай бұрын

Steam big picture mode = console experience.

Gameranx are a bunch of ps fanboys

I also saw this video's title and said to myself : oh boy please gameranx, here you dont go again

Gaming journalism at its best.

After seeing this I immediately sent this dumpster fire to joe I’m glad me & 9 other people agreed on that

God! Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla. That's all Falcon does. GET TO THE FUCKING POINT ALREADY!

Gameranx has always been a joke since I can remember. I see they're still going strong

Bro what’s the game in the background

I genuinely expected to hear the family guy transition music when he segue'd into the sponsor.

Because Devs Fail to Optimize for PC Ports... it's PCs Fault and Failure of PCs

@peezydabeatmonster8112

19 күн бұрын

Not a failure of PC really it actually shows how limitless PC is and how wide the range of specs are it's not a set standard universally like Xbox, ps, Nintendo so it's hard to optimize when every PC in the world is different it's pros and cons the pros are far greater

As far as I am aware most recent bad PC port of a game, which I have not played the PC version, but based on what I have seen of people's reaction to it is The Last Of Us which I don't know the reason for that one, but I am assuming the frustration for that port is probably true.

A thing gameranx forgets is that consoles offer a safe and steady environment for games to be developed. If there are 10 million PS5s out there, they are exactly the same so the developers know the limitations of what they are working with. On the other side if there are 10 million PCs, this means 10 million different types of hardware so its impossible for the developers to cover everything. But even with that difficulty patches come out which iron the performance and stability.

@thefinalboss2403

4 ай бұрын

And drivers...

Consoles games will always sell more not bc there better at all but because the reality is a nice amount of PC gamers get all there games for free console gamers will never be able to get AAA games for free PCs are not reliant on gaming sales to be successful

That's funny, I was firing up the Saints Row reboot right as you brought it up in your video. 😅 Mere coincidence? I think not.

My main gaming platform is Pc but I do play switch/Ps for the exclusives games I'm a Pc through and through started gaming on ps1 back in the 90's during on my 2nd grade school and turned to PC gaming during high school on early 2000's what I hate about PC gaming are the elitist PC gamers who always say PC is the best 4k on 120 fps but those people are running their games on a 1050ti they like to brag about 4k while they don't even have entry level gpu I know personally in my life people like that but I know someone who has a 4080 but still has always some good things to say about console. Dont get me wrong I don't like consoles I much love Pc gaming my ps5 is just collecting dust while it's waiting for GTA6 but this trolling about 4k 120fps on a gtx 1050ti bullsht needs to stop.

@woldemunster9244

Ай бұрын

How can you write a wall of BS with one punctuation? from what i understood: I play DMC5 @ 4K 60fps or 1440p 120fps maxxed out on my RX6700, it cost 380€ But im a Linux gamer, the only thing i brag about. :D Edit: my tv is a second hand 4K/60hz and my monitor is 1440p/144hz, for clarity

This was dumbest video ever from a fairly smart creator, and he doesn't include the biggest 9th gen release "cyberpunk" which was only playable on PC .

Congrats on the sponsor!

I dont know man at 3:42 you compare your 1080p PC Set Up to a Video-console that put out 1440p upscales to 4K and hit nearly 60 on a S|X. The only Grafic-card anno 2024 that put out good Frame-rates at 4K on PC is the RTX 4090 and that Card burns down Power Cables. On Amd side, we have that Radeon RX 7900 XTX for 800$, that Machine is made for 1440p Gaming but works good on 4K too. Whats so ever PC is always the better Option for Gaming but i cant hear your 1080p Frame-rate PC Set-up to 4K Console Frame-rate Comparisons anymore. Video Consoles like Xbox and PS5 made for 4K Smart TVs in the Living room and have to delivery that Resolution. Upscaled from whatever or native.

I love Gameranx! The best Gameranx videos are Before You Buy!

AHHHHHHH JOE'S FACE!!!!

The SNES's CPU wasn't even made by Nintendo. It's a fucking Ricoh.

I don't mean playing sekiro 30fps on release

Falcon specifically turned me off of Gameranx, I'm sure he's not the only writer for the episodes he's in

uh oh, he's doing a gameranx video. i love those guys, but do keep it honest

First of all, congrats on finishing watching a video first :D Second of all, fuck VPNs.....seriously....

@5izzy557

Жыл бұрын

VPN's have their uses for many people, it's not wise to generalize. But POG that he's got a sponsor & is making some mula. "Sponsor block" is a nice browser extension, have a look.

@KesGaming

Жыл бұрын

Why hate on a VPN?

That videos comment section was something else. Console gamers trying so hard to justify their purchases, "PC gamers" switching to consoles, PC elitists, console gamers calling out the pc master race. Pretty entertaining read

Glad to come home from and see a joefromseattle video, and oh boy GameRanx glad i unsubbed long ago falcon's voice is annoying to glad someone is calling out the bull and nice coming full circle correcting GameRanx and falcon. Can wonder some believes them cause "omg their sub count is high they must be right" god i hope not.

I made it i watch all the video ! Joe are u prode me ? srly some "Game news" need to check the video before release it or maybe throw for some subscriber friend early to see the reaction and opinion, because oh boy the amount of shit from this video is astonishing

Honestly I think the video was fine & it NEEDS to be discussed, I am getting pissed at these lack luster ports, it's unacceptable & not good enough! This is coming from a full-blown pirate, so I'm not even financially invested. Edit-You're getting too close to PC fanboy territory man, yes the PC versions are still better ultimately (after a few patches allot of the time) but the issue is even with recommended specs some of these games aren't running properly at all, the console versions can & are in most cases still inferior, but I don't care about those platforms, I care about the PC & it's not good enough, I'm thinking of upgrading my CPU just so I can brute force my way through some of these issues & that's NOT OK! At all. Yes I have the option to do so, but that's not the point lol Edit again-Looking from the outside in, you're the pretentious prick here BTW, hopefully you'll recognize it. Edit-within a week after this comment there's another big AAA release that has come out in an absolutely awful state, "the last of us part 1 pc" so yes this needs to be discussed & brought to the limelight and not just brushed to the side.

@themultiversalmagpie7827

Жыл бұрын

I hope he realizes to not listen to you, he’s right after all

@5izzy557

Жыл бұрын

@@themultiversalmagpie7827 *fingers crossed* I'll just expect better from my fav hobby, but you do you. Edit- Also it's just an opinion, there's zero hard feelings, this is just gaming after all (I say what i think regardless of people's feelings) lol If I cared more I'd open up a discussion on why you think I'm not correct, but it's a waste of both of our time, let's be real. TC

@durshurrikun150

Жыл бұрын

A few lack luster ports are not a widespread issues, they are the fault of lazy developers, not of the platform. Or you simply wait for the ports to be fixed and then you pirate them, peasant.

@5izzy557

Жыл бұрын

@@themultiversalmagpie7827 Yay another PC port is utter trash on release today.... "the last of us part 1" maybe he, you & all pc gamers should listen...

@overdrivedrinker8284

6 ай бұрын

@@5izzy557 They teach you to discard outliers in statistics, bro

Joefromseattle is telling lies and not giving the developers credit for pushing Xbox 360 and Xbox one apu to the limit and that also causes overheating. The pc is shit when it comes to pushing the hardware to the limit. The pc can’t fully use the power of the cpu and gpu because the pc isn’t controlled by the developer.

@junglezone7323

Жыл бұрын

Nice bait

@adknife2046

Жыл бұрын

hahaha nice joke

@wolfboy20

Жыл бұрын

Lmao is this mofo serious?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@colemin2

Жыл бұрын

Can't hear you over playing my games at 165 fps...

@NamelessCrusad3r

27 күн бұрын

Meanwhile me running doom eternal way better on pc than on my Xbox