Thanks for the correction mate. I guess it comes down to how we define what a battlefield weapon is. I don’t really consider the longsword a battlefield weapon either, even though it was used on the battlefield, because that is not it’s sole purpose or use, whereas a poleaxe is far more designed for the battlefield. I guess I should stick with, not a “primary” battlefield weapon to be clearer ^_^ LOVED the video, especially since you touched on several things I skipped, and elaborated farther on others, all depending on what we’re more studied in. I noticed you skipped the archery decapitation part but were also able to share more information on the Japanese elements. Just makes both our videos complement each other even more.

@bubbasbigblast8563

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, from the period pictures I've seen, longswords with shields appear to be mixed into spear lines; whether it's to protect the spear bearers, or so officers could move through the line more easily, isn't so clear.

@tallman11282

3 жыл бұрын

I hope Matt sees your video and this one and makes his own response video admitting he was mistaken.

@metatronyt

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Shad! Yes I didnt talk about the archery part because you did extensively and I didnt feel I could really add anything to It also because I'm not an Archer like you or Matt Easton. Anyhow I'm glad you liked my video and Great job on yours! As for the Battlefield weapon I consider a Battlefield weapon a weapon that was used on a Battlefield, since all Samurai during the time the katana was in use carried them on the field I would consider It as such, but I do see your point of view too.

@shadowmaster9279

3 жыл бұрын

@@metatronyt Can I just say that if you are in Italy rn, you are really staying up late. Lol. Gn

@dustinakadustin

3 жыл бұрын

This is wholesome content

"A glorified stick with a blade at the end" describes every single melee weapon on its most basic level, except for a club, that's just a glorified stick.

@huntclanhunt9697

3 жыл бұрын

This is truer than I am comfortable with.

@Kira_Aros

3 жыл бұрын

@@huntclanhunt9697 agreed

@ZynetESLD

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. And a sword. Which is a glorified tiny stick wrapped in leather and fitted with a large blade

@szarekhthesilent2047

3 жыл бұрын

I like glorified sticks that fire antitank ammo at enemies. for self defense. *cough*

@Kira_Aros

3 жыл бұрын

@@szarekhthesilent2047 oh you mean those that are meant to combat (among others) glorified Cars with giant Glorified Pipes on them to shoot glorified Fireworks? Jup those are nice.

Matpat: does another "medieval" video Shad: Looks like we're getting the band back together.

@gearsfan6669

3 жыл бұрын

They're on a mission from the Gods

@philipfisch

3 жыл бұрын

"Punitores convenite!!!" >:/ (sorry if I totally butchered this latin, have been studying it last ages ago😖 )

@darthwalrus4740

3 жыл бұрын

Is that a Blues Brothers reference?

@JohnSmith-op3qj

3 жыл бұрын

Medievengers, assemble!

@SwordCunt

3 жыл бұрын

Call the banners!

Game Theory: can't do a lot of damage with the shield A knight: Tell me how the grass tastes, little man!

@nickromanthefencer

3 жыл бұрын

I fucking love that video...

@shlokshah5379

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickromanthefencer I like the video because it's the history facts vs personal experience.

@seannahmcauliffe9766

2 жыл бұрын

😂

mat: "look at how tightly packed they are" me: they look like they are practicing social distancing

@TealWolf26

3 жыл бұрын

We call that "hero" formation. In a movie directed by meatheads.

@atraxian5881

3 жыл бұрын

me: If those are "tightly packed" then armies in the Lord of the Rings movies were black-hole levels of "tightly packed".

@TealWolf26

3 жыл бұрын

@@atraxian5881 "Why are their shoulders touching? How are they supposed to swing in a 180 degree telegraphed strike?"

@philipfisch

3 жыл бұрын

Such considerate warriors! Good for them!...

@AndrewSienx

3 жыл бұрын

@@PacMonster0 Actually even in artillery times tight was still better than loose - see e.g. Napoleonic Wars, Crimean War, or American Civil War. Only the introduction of the machine gun loosened the infantry formations.

MatPat: *makes medieval theory* Shad, Meta, and Skall: How many times do we have to teach you this lesson young man?

@jack751

6 ай бұрын

lol I get the reference

The way Matt talks with such confidence and certainty when giving false or misinformed information is painful to watch

@publiusventidiusbassus1232

3 жыл бұрын

I still have PTSD from that For Honor video

@elijahbrewer1820

3 жыл бұрын

If matt isnt careful he will end up like lars anderson. The king of cherry picking information.

@neo-didact9285

3 жыл бұрын

@@elijahbrewer1820 Nah, a bunch of kids, preteens, and adolescents will eat up his content, such as FNAF.

@CBRN-115

3 жыл бұрын

He needs to just shut up and just cover more FNAF videos

@shionkreth7536

3 жыл бұрын

But that's how all the people who do videos professionally talk - and as the Metatron prefaced the video with: every history youtuber has been wrong about something they, too, probably said with confidence(maybe even mocking something that was actually correct).

Game theory: lemme teach you medieval stuff Metatron, Shad, and Skall: *pillar men theme*

@adammandic4229

3 жыл бұрын

AYAYAYAYAAAAY

@thewitch7342

3 жыл бұрын

So lindybeige is Santana?

@pougetguillaume4632

3 жыл бұрын

shad: awaken my masters _touches metatron and skall's nipples_ *AYAYAYA*

@djpsd464

3 жыл бұрын

@@pougetguillaume4632 here, have my upvote

@jocosesonata

3 жыл бұрын

Now someone has to draw them as the Pillar Men.

MatPat: Makes a history-related video Shad, Metatron, and Skall: Allow us to introduce ourselves

@Magus_Union

3 жыл бұрын

*(aztec dubstep/trap music starts playing)*

@gageriddle1681

3 жыл бұрын

@@Magus_Union pillarmen jojo theme?

@luisarturoorduna2098

3 жыл бұрын

... we are men of wealth and taste, we been around for long long years and take many theories to waste.... please to meet you, hope you guess our names.

@emperorconstantine1.361

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t you mean “re-introduce ourselves”

@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight

3 жыл бұрын

Shad, Metatron, and Skall: the Holy Trinity Screw it, Imma add Matt Easton to that even though it would no longer be a trinity with four people. How about the Four Horsemen?

We need Skallagrim response to complete the set.

@embodying8moth82

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the holy trinity

@zetos4440

3 жыл бұрын

Hes always a bit late

@Aodhan_Raith

3 жыл бұрын

@@embodying8moth82 Lord Pommel is FASHIONABLY LATE is what you mean.

@blarfroer8066

3 жыл бұрын

@@zetos4440 a wizard is never late

@laterreurrouge1917

3 жыл бұрын

When Skall watches MatPat's video: Angry pommel unscrewing

MatPat: "Dual wielding is illogical." Musashi: "Hold my oar."

@IAmTheStig32

2 жыл бұрын

Musashi: "... Wait, what am I doing, give it back, I need it."

"I would rather use a shield than a spade" Cries in WW1

@henryodriscoll1574

3 жыл бұрын

Id say its true for melee combat but you're right when given the choice of a shield or a spade when the enemy has machine guns probably better to dig a hole/trench to hide in lol

@Bruh-hq1hx

3 жыл бұрын

@@henryodriscoll1574 well a spade can decapitate much easier then a shield

@Jebu911

2 жыл бұрын

I heard some of the trench spades were sharpened too so it worked like a shitty hand axe.

I kinda hope Game Theory keeps making these videos on historical weapons/armor, if only because KZreadrs like Metatron and Shad make great response videos.

@Rikalonius

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. The first 2 minutes had me crying.

@HanSolo__

3 жыл бұрын

I still keep my hand on my face...

@DatBoiOrly

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@ninjahombrepalito1721

3 жыл бұрын

While I fo like these response videos, I don't like MatPat posting blatant misinformation.

@JustaGuy_Gaming

3 жыл бұрын

Only issue is they are on thin Ice if Game Theory complains. Some new YT laws actually forbid making reply videos.

History community on KZread is just the best.

@marcusviniciusmagalhaesdea3779

3 жыл бұрын

@EpicMetalWarrior Yep

@KryoTronic

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Reminds me of the community of old school youtube lol

@Qwerds7

3 жыл бұрын

This community is more of the ancient an medieval history community rather than a history community. In general they trend around that era leaving out more recent times.

@RandyLeftHandy

3 жыл бұрын

The most passive aggressive at the very least lol

@UnexpectedWonder

3 жыл бұрын

Truly.

Ha Ha, great video. I'm avoiding talking about this as I know loads of game developers! One day I'll let you know why my channel is oddly called Modern History TV!

@lera5489

3 жыл бұрын

wtf?

@strongbear3369

3 жыл бұрын

Mate what?

@lpapay1165

3 жыл бұрын

@@strongbear3369 Modern History is Jason Kingsley, OBE , CEO of Rebellion Developments. Yeah, he knows "some" people in the game industry ;)

@kartoffelsaek

3 жыл бұрын

when are you guys making a medieval game btw( and here i mean your game studio, not your YT channel ). kinda like kingdom come but of course done your own way. with you at the helm it would be the most accurate game ever. and warhorse has proven that there is a market for such things. please im begging you :) love your channel BTW

@atom8248

3 жыл бұрын

medieval history youtube

Honestly I'm impressed. I thought when I saw this video it was going to he a guy who had absolutely no idea what he was talking abt a video that was popular to make a quick buck. BOY WAS I WRONG I actually really really enjoyed this and it was fun to learn about it. You were very humble and nice when talking abt his mistakes and described the actual answer with loads of info. Keep up the great work man. I look forward to your next vid!

@metatronyt

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad to hear, thanks!

I love how both Shad and Metatron jumped on the whole "calling a Hospitaller a Templar" thing. :P

@kaimagnus5760

3 жыл бұрын

to be fair, thats a mistake Ubisoft themselves also make in Rouge. A lot of the Templar equipment has the wrong cross on it.

@simpsondr12

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, all he had to do was Google Templar and go to images. How he fucked this up, I don't know. I wish that metatron would have addressed this weird idea that he mentioned in the end of video, implying Vikings and Templar knights fought, which ended the Vikings.

@seanheath4492

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaimagnus5760 Ubisoft at least has the possible excuse that the Templars and Hospitallers were two faces of the same organization/conspiracy in-universe. :P

@kaimagnus5760

3 жыл бұрын

@@seanheath4492 You have a point on that one.

@simpsondr12

3 жыл бұрын

To add context though, Mat says "who is the main antagonist of the Assassin's creed series, oh yeah the Templars, the most wealthy and powerful of the Western Christian military orders." So he conflates the organization in the game and the Knight's Templar in history.

"You can only be offensive with one side of your body at a time" Public flashers use both hands to open the trenchcoat.

@Helperbot-2000

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@retardcorpsman

3 жыл бұрын

Cursed comment

@Thenotfunnyperson

3 жыл бұрын

Not the sneaky ones.

@ousamadearu5960

3 жыл бұрын

@@retardcorpsman not if you do it as a Catholic Priest on a Sunday School

@communistcomrade404

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

Metatron is truly an angel, super kind to inform Mat, spends hours to teach us and stops misinformation!

I would also like to point out a mindset a lot of people who are unfamiliar with historical combat have. They tend to talk about medieval combat as if it were every man for himself on the battlefield. I think it is very important to mention that formations (not the 'tightly packed' ones we see in the trailer, but actual tightly packed ones) were present for almost every battle. Every soldier had a part to play in that formation. In this case, when referring to early Medieval era, or the "Dark Ages," shield walls were a common formation for "Vikings," Franks, Saxons, and most of western Europe at this time. You need a shield to complete a shield wall. It isn't just to defend yourself, but the men on either side of you, and behind you. If you have two axes, you aren't really all that helpful in the otherwise effective formation.

He suffers from the Dunning-Kruger effect. He knows so little of the field he talks authoritatively about that he doesn't know how wrong he is, and that he should not talk like an authority.

GameTheory: "you can only be offensive with one weapon, one arm, one side of your body at a time" me: [Laughs in Scuola Bolognese]

@eraimattei

3 жыл бұрын

I practice Bolognese fencing (in Bologna as well) and it took me 15 minutes of explaining to understand how dual welding is mostly used (attack with one, parry with the other. Or in general anything you do with a sword the other has to do in the other side , at the same time)

@HanSolo__

3 жыл бұрын

The facepalming is still not enough used here... You could cover your face with hand and start staring at your shoes if they are clean enough now or not quite. Then, just come back later.

@BertzTriscut

3 жыл бұрын

Me: laughs in discombobulate. Also baseball swings alone put the statement into question.

@Maehedrose

3 жыл бұрын

My preferred combat style is two short, edged blades, and I am quite capable of using them both in fluid and constant support of one another. This idea that you can't use both arms in combat bespeaks some serious lack of understanding - entire schools of combat are built around the idea.

@AndrewSienx

3 жыл бұрын

me: ask Musashi :))

*MattPat makes a GT video* Everyone is fine. *MattPat makes a GT video featuring medieval weaponry* Medieval channels: I feel a disturbance in the Force.

To be fair to Matt, in AC they kinda lumped Templars, and the Knights Hospitaller into the same generic bad guy group called Templars way back in the first game. So, he wasn't entirely wrong in the context of the game. Anyway, awesome video as always, Metatron.

Aside from the historical facts, pointed out by Metatron and Shad, my main issue with GT's video was that it's all over the place. The initial premise was supposed to be whether or not dual wielding 2 different weapons (axes) is practical. Then it diverged to all sorts of topics from decapitating heads with an arrow (incorrect as pointed out by Shad), dual wielding shields, and then the title of his video which is different from his opening lines in the video.

@demonic_myst4503

3 жыл бұрын

gt is allways like that all over the place and as factualy accurate as conspiracy theories at times

@EliteRocketBear

3 жыл бұрын

Game Theory (and all of the theorist channels) are essentially written by a squirrel drugged up on cocaine and adderal doing google searches. There is never a cohesive structure in their scripts; they start at one end, and end up playing six degrees of Kevin Bacon with 18 and a half mental gymnastic routines to come to a halfbaked conclusion that doesn't even tie into the original premise.

@fnc2465

3 жыл бұрын

oh wait i didn't realize that

@Kayem237

2 жыл бұрын

@@demonic_myst4503 At times?

@demonic_myst4503

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kayem237 somtimes he is talkig about pretty easy to understand games that its hard to fucvk up he normaly doesnt touch historical context

If my opponent were armored I would rather have an empty off hand than a twig.

@metatronyt

3 жыл бұрын

Very good point!

@bubbasbigblast8563

3 жыл бұрын

If your open hand has any kind of armor, sure; otherwise, the stick is still better, since you can at least throw it at their face.

@HenshinFanatic

3 жыл бұрын

@@bubbasbigblast8563 as opposed to grappling, making unbalancing shoves and pulls, or other free-hand techniques that are available?

@bubbasbigblast8563

3 жыл бұрын

@@HenshinFanatic If someone has a sharp object, approaching it with an unarmoured hand is an incredibly good way to lose your fingers, or the hand itself. It would never be worth the risk.

@chefboyjc9439

3 жыл бұрын

@@bubbasbigblast8563 Better to lose a hand than your life. Also ever heard of G R A P P L I N G?

You also have to remember that the Vikings used axes alot in their daily lives, when not raiding (I.e making firewood, plankmaking, boatmaking etc.). So they where extreamly proficient with this weapon.

@botondhetyey159

Жыл бұрын

And it's what you have on hand. Spending a ton of money on a sword that you only really use on raids? Makes sense if you are really wealthy, sure, but if not, why not just get a good axe, that you'll use every day, and it will also do it's job when you do need to fight.

Very good debunking video Metatron! I wanted to add that blade grabbing as an option happens quite a lot during a fight. The requirements is only grabbing the opponent's sword while it stops (which requires good timing), if the sword doesn't move it is possible to hold it bare handed, of course a pair of "simple" leather gloves is recomended, it'sfar more than enough to decrease the chance of being slashed by a twitch, a twist or a pull (which are three common ways of trying to free the sword by a grab). Anyway Fiore dei Liberi tells us that while duelling (and most probably also while traveling and as a Fashion tool) people was wearing "Guanti di Camussa" chamuis leather gloves, to protect the hands. Armor doesn't increase the safety in this specific act, but increases the chance of stopping the sword (you can stop it whit almost all your body) and so increases the number of chances to actually grab the sword.

@metatronyt

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment!

Aaaah yes, the angel has replied, now we just need Skall and the trinity will be complete!

@TheOldBlackShuckyDog

3 жыл бұрын

What about Matt?

@InSanic13

3 жыл бұрын

@@ilike8590 I think he's referring to the possibility of Matt Easton responding, not MatPat.

@ahmedel-barbary336

3 жыл бұрын

I was going to write the exact comment 😂😂😂 you beated me to it 😅😅

@yungindio

3 жыл бұрын

Im honestly surprised that Skallagrim didn't respond yet. He's like our Viking Lore guy

@NikozBG

3 жыл бұрын

@@yungindio I honestly think Skall is fed up with internet bullshit at the moment, he just might give this one a pass.

Me: Stop, Metty, he is already dead! Metty: That's not even a templar.

What I like about The Community of the Sword is that it helps us appreciate the lives of our ancestors who lived during those unique times in history. And that the lives of our ancestors were not simple, but incredibly complex. They truly cannot by judged by a google search.

"He thinks of something that makes sense in his head, then says it authoritatively as though its backed up by some sort of evidence" This sums up my problem with matpat in general

@Ally5141

3 жыл бұрын

This sums up the problem with our society in general.

@keeganbell6224

3 жыл бұрын

Sure it’s a problem but he says something authoritatively because he’s talking about nothing pretty much most of the time so saying fuck all in a timid tone isn’t going to get people to watch your content.

@link670

3 жыл бұрын

@@keeganbell6224 this is fine if you are someone who just spit balls and spouts anecdotes and historical vignettes off the cuff, but Matpat fancies himself an educator. This paired with the fact that so often he doesn't know what he is talking about (often outsourcing his scripts to freelancers who he relies on to do their own fact checking), his authoritative voice just comes off as smug.

@legwah1576

3 жыл бұрын

@@keeganbell6224 that's a pretty hot take dude, spreading misinformation is okay because hes doing It for money. Does this apply to other unethical behaviors?

@keeganbell6224

3 жыл бұрын

@@legwah1576 no I’m saying he had another incentive to make a video because it seems like people are disappointed that he made another one

Dammit. He did it again... I remember the last time GT was called out by so many medieval youtubers like Shadiversity.

@adrigl3371

3 жыл бұрын

I left his chanel for months after that For Honor video, and when I finally come back he does it again.

@xviithestar2356

3 жыл бұрын

@@adrigl3371 I actually had to block his channel to stop recieving recommendations of his awful channel.

@jin-woo4398

3 жыл бұрын

@@xviithestar2356 same here. he is much too prideful and arrogant to ever correct his mistakes. he is the embodiment of r/iamverysmart

@TheBarser

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't hear about the dude since last, but I am looking forward to watching that tool get destroyed again

@apex2000

3 жыл бұрын

I think he does it on purpose, causes more free press.

Crush his theories, Sir Metatron, in the name of historical accuracy!

@NoMeGusta2526

3 жыл бұрын

if no one does, this plague of weebs and misinformation will continue.

Here’s a theory I’ve had for a while... there are multiple universes each with its own unique color of Lindybeige. There is a Lindygrey, a Lindyred, and yes as Metadude mentioned a Lindyblue. But it goes further than that. There is also a LindyDARKblue, a LindyAquaMarine, even a LindyMediumDarkGrey. Legend has it, combining all the Lindys would destroy the all universes, bringing the end time

@gmann215

3 жыл бұрын

Which universes do I have to find to collect all the Infinity Lindys for my cool new glove?

@alexandersarchives9615

3 жыл бұрын

@@gmann215 YOU FOOL! Have you not studied archives of the Biege? Not one universe can handle more than one Lindy. If more than one Lindy were to coexist in the same universe, it would cause a mass extinction just from the audible sponsorships alone!

@joshelliott1826

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't that the plot to the Key Li movie "The One"?

@Ratsos12

3 жыл бұрын

There are only 50 different Lindygrey’s though.

@alexandersarchives9615

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ratsos12 ok, well list all of them

18:26 Oh, he really lost me by calling an axe a glorified stick. I now agree wholeheartedly this guy has zero combat training or experience. 21:03 As you said, I'd rather be punched than hit with the boss of a shield. And the Romans used their shields offensively. Correct me if I'm wrong. Smashing that boss into their opponent to open them up for a gladius thrust. I remember reading about a Spartan who drew a close to life sized fly on his shield, and when chided by his peers, said something along the lines of, "it will be the size of a giant in my enemy's face." Clearly this Spartan had intentions of using his shield offensively.

@NoName-yw1pt

2 жыл бұрын

I find it hilarious that you claim HE's the one doesn't have any combat experience when at the same time you say that a shield is used offensively

@VisionsOfSpy

2 жыл бұрын

@@NoName-yw1pt have you ever used a shield? They can be used offensively. Shields with a boss can be used to strike with the boss, broken nose, broken bones, etc. Strike with the edge using the mass of the shield and your body, again, could possibly break bone. Not even mentioning things like the spiked pavise.

Game Theory is basically from an alternate universe, as far as I can tell.

@chengkuoklee5734

3 жыл бұрын

Well, gaming is one of the means for us to escape reality sometimes.... So.....

@bunnyonabunwithagunnicepun5689

3 жыл бұрын

@@chengkuoklee5734 good point

@italianstallion7272

3 жыл бұрын

@@chengkuoklee5734 that’s just a theory

@J0hnHenrySNEEDen

3 жыл бұрын

*A G A M E T H E O R Y*

Miyamoto has entered the chat*

@metatronyt

3 жыл бұрын

Ahahahha

@alephkasai9384

3 жыл бұрын

@@metatronyt Dual Wielding oars video when.

@clothar23

3 жыл бұрын

@@alephkasai9384 Amateur , real swordsmen dual wield row boats.

@gangrenousgandalf2102

3 жыл бұрын

@@clothar23 Pff, real vikings dual wield longships.

22:20 actually, according to the Livonian Rhymed Chronicle, a rubber duck deals exactly 0.0762 damage, but when paired with a kite shield it gets a x750 damage multiplier

@SimuLord

3 жыл бұрын

A rubber duck is a BB gun in the Fallout universe. No base damage to speak of but you start adding in critical modifiers and it's like putting money in the bank with compound interest.

"You can hit people with 1 hand" lmao I love how this video is reaching "people die when they are killed" levels at some points, to think you need to explain such obvious things lol

@jeanaluckdemaya5936

3 жыл бұрын

No it's not, *"people die when they are killed"* makes totally no sense and I agree, but saying *"you can hit people with 1 hand"* doesn't mean he think you didn't know it, its just a way to support what he is trying to say adding something YOU already know so it is mor understandable

As soon as I heard the Samurai didn't use shields cause magic armor bit I laughed and eagerly awaited your video on this since there are historical references to shields in japan and you went over them in a video

@andljoy

3 жыл бұрын

Less common tho than in europe etc.

@publiusventidiusbassus1232

3 жыл бұрын

Shields were considerably underused in Japanese warfare. Not non-existent, but not a common sight either.

That intro is pure Gold XD

@tireachan6178

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, Brittany is a glorious place. Fellow Celts👍

@gwennblei

3 жыл бұрын

@@tireachan6178 much love Gaelic (I assume ?) friend !

@ghastly9901

3 жыл бұрын

Can someone tell me all the names he mentioned in the intro? ._.

@gwennblei

3 жыл бұрын

@@ghastly9901 With pleasure :) Schola Gladiatoria Skallagrim Knyghterrant Shadiversity LindyBeige Here you are, if I forgot any, anyone feel free to correct me :)

@ghastly9901

3 жыл бұрын

@@gwennblei I think there was one more name which started with "th" I'm not sure...but thanks man appreciate it!

I'm glad you touched on the fact that a free hand is not a useless hand. I'd go as far as a stick doesn't beat a free hand but I digress

@metatronyt

3 жыл бұрын

I agree!

Matt Patt: When you have only 1 weapon, your other empty hand is kinda useless. For Honor Centurion: ?????????????????

@metatronyt

3 жыл бұрын

Ahah I hate that punch in that game, but I love It when I'm use the Centurion :)

@Ryan-dp4rs

3 жыл бұрын

*INCREDIBLIS*

@gangrenousgandalf2102

3 жыл бұрын

Grappling, too

This is why I ignore any of GTs videos that have anything to do with a video game set in a historical period.

Dual wield tower shields adorned with spikes to really dominate the enemy

@Crusader-tg1wx

3 жыл бұрын

Big brain move for ultra-chads

@chasedean4032

3 жыл бұрын

Why not just get a war wolf

@ritikshaw5868

3 жыл бұрын

@@chasedean4032 is it a portable hand held war wolf though?

@ZynetESLD

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, why not try this: you could make an early handgun, likely just a simple timed fuse that you can pair with a think wooded shield, and a dagger as your other weapon?

@davidbodor1762

3 жыл бұрын

Yes but you need 20 in endurance and 20 in strength to wield it for more than 2 minutes.

"Son were are you going?" "Over to the Yakeda's, they got a new goat" "Okay Son, but dont forget your Wakizahsi just in case if you have to comit harakiri" "Oh yea, thanks Dad, you're the best!"

I love the fact that Metatron is wearing armor while sitting at the computer, something about it seems funny

There are HEMA techniques on how to dual wield a spear and sword, while wearing a shield. It's pretty cool. Check out Paulus Hector Mair's manuals for reference :D

@MariusThePaladin

3 жыл бұрын

I think I've seen that one. Definitely wouldn't try it at home though.

@eraimattei

3 жыл бұрын

Spear AND Sword AND Shield?... Jesus Christ i would run away immediately

@HanSolo__

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but it is still only a niche technique and practicing it demands kinda master skills level in spear and sword to begin with.

@dodojesus4529

3 жыл бұрын

@@HanSolo__ yeah but I can immagine it being absolute cancer

@TheDollhouseKiller

3 жыл бұрын

@@eraimattei Don't let Kassandra smell your fear

25:40 that's not really a battle. it looks more like a disorganised skirmish

@alexmag342

3 жыл бұрын

Looks more like a rout than a skirmish even one turned a tad chaotic

@philipfisch

3 жыл бұрын

Well, as Metatron said, I think it looks like a movie set, really :/

MatPat: "in the valhalla trailer they are tightly packed" Metatron: "my dissapointment is immesurable, and my day is ruined"

"It is important to reach out to people more knowledgeable than you" Yes! It does work on ANY field of work. It is waaaay better than blindly doing stuff.

"You can only be offensive with one side of your body at a time." *Laughs in eskrima/kali/arnis*

@Skhmt

3 жыл бұрын

Even with only one weapon, eskrima teaches using your offhand to trap or grab the enemy's arms when blocking or parrying.

@jordonlegge9819

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh let’s make a list And add tonfa and sai

@KamenRider1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Skhmt Correct. I practice Arnis and Shotokan Karate and my Master in both says a "dead hand" in combat is undesirable. Hence the true role of the "Hikite" or the so-called "pulling hand" is to help seize the opponent and/or break his posture. Better explained by Sensei Ian Abernathy here and the follow-up video to this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y32a1qugddnUg8Y.html

@Skhmt

3 жыл бұрын

@@KamenRider1 It's interesting watching HEMA Saber fighting, they always have their off hand on their hip.

@KamenRider1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Skhmt Usually they do the "hand on the hip" thing when doing certain sequences. We do (almost) the same in modern sparring for Arnis since you're only allowed to hit with your stick/blade. We have our hands close to the chest to guard the heart/vitals in the center of mass (torso). When it gets closer than the effectiveness of sequences with the szabla/baston/espada, we still have to take that "dead hand" and use it to check/trap/control the opponent... As you may already be aware. 🙏🇵🇭

"You can only really be offensive with...one side of your body at a time." Sure brand deodorant would like to know your location.

My two cents. Not only with weapons, but when fighting barehanded we use two hands when we fight ... (7:30 oh. You mentioned it. Well done metaboy) and let's consider some kicks that we use when we attack on close quarters. You can attack with multiple limbs at the same time (brings me back memories of training american kempo)

That intro...was some Mel Brooks level insults. Good job.

hmmm yes, my favorite medieval history channel, the metaboy

I am subbed to everyone except MedievalhistoryTV for a loooong time now. First time hearing of him somehow.

@metatronyt

3 жыл бұрын

He Is great! Check him out!

@blarfroer8066

3 жыл бұрын

It's Modern History TV ;) He's the Bob Ross of medieval information

@aimlesswanderer4786

3 жыл бұрын

He’s awesome! Especially if you’re interested with any type of fighting on horseback

@Snarkknight5

3 жыл бұрын

And Jason Kingsley has just the most wonderful horses, who are so very well-behaved and expressive! Lovely creatures, his horses.

Mat: *Makes a medieval video * Metaboy: and I took that personally...

For the average person, noble Metatron, attacking your argument would be like a dual axe wielding viking standing under a machicolation during a siege.

This is the second time he’s had a historical video debunked. Honestly he needs to do better or stip

@mortenjacobsen5673

3 жыл бұрын

Dont you see its all a work? One makes a video and all the others make a response so they can all make money from eatch others content.

@publiusventidiusbassus1232

3 жыл бұрын

@@mortenjacobsen5673 Lol no. Massive channels like GameTheory have massive audiences and couldn't care less if they get half their "facts" wrong, because they know their fanbase are mostly impressionable children/teens and will defend them anyway. Controversy does increase traffic and keeps that algorithm rolling, but I don't believe for a second that this is some "work" like a wrestling angle. They just don't care, and if they rustle some feathers from small channels, so what.

@neo-didact9285

3 жыл бұрын

Nah, the views (which =more adsense and being paid more for sponsorships) will keep coming in from children and young teens, no matter how much misinformation he spouts. He's gonna keep going because his young audience doesn't give a fuck.

@mortenjacobsen5673

3 жыл бұрын

@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 well the patern repeats

@GuitarsRockForever

3 жыл бұрын

He needs to stop.

I stopped watching Matt Patt after I caught him in several bad mistakes and when a KZreadr once called him on it, his response was not very professional.

@KamenRider1

3 жыл бұрын

Oh dear... On what topic...? He really always came off to me as a bit snooty.

@grahamhill676

3 жыл бұрын

Do tell

@f.c.laukhard3623

3 жыл бұрын

The only time I come across him is when others try to correct his mistakes. Never checked if he responds to it though. Keep us updated :D

@raccoonking7566

3 жыл бұрын

I remember him getting corrected several times, always dismissing critique as hate. Alao, all the Five Nights At Freddy's videos started getiing annoying. He definitely "sold out", he just pumps videos out that cash in on trends, I'm not saying he shouldn't do that, it's just that it looks bad, and quality can suffer. I checked his channel a few weeks ago, he is still doing FNAF videos after, what, 5 years?

@KamenRider1

3 жыл бұрын

@@raccoonking7566 Anyone who misconstrues legitimate, humble, and valid criticism as "hate" automatically loses a large amount of my respect. If that's how MattPat behaves then I'm truly disappointed in him and am glad I never subscribed or paid attention to him.

The intro made me laugh like a Eddie Izzard stand-up show!

Great video! I love the three of your content(you, shad, and Skallagrim.) I also love the fact that you are watching the video and strait responding to it, because it is kind of funny to see the provided images in his video prove him wrong. Great work! Also, when he talks about the wakizashi and katana, I get it, but they used the wakizashi as a backup weapon all the time. They did use it for some rituals, but that definitely confused me and I was glad I found your and shad's videos.

I didn't watched yet, but to summarize: shields aren't shape and was not projected to kill, even being possible by pushing somebody into a cliff, using swords or axes works better when attacking.

@mondaysinsanity8193

3 жыл бұрын

I mean. You absolutely can beat the fuck out of someone with a shield especially smaller ones if you punch someone with the edge of a shield shits gonna fuck you up

@TealWolf26

3 жыл бұрын

Metal boss? Built in steel knuckles. Heavy hard thing hit man real gud.

@mondaysinsanity8193

3 жыл бұрын

@Meba yeah the boss wouldnt work to well unless its a buckler. But the edge? Absolutely and you can defend at the same time if you time it right

@mondaysinsanity8193

3 жыл бұрын

@Meba yes because we all know its basically rock paper scissors right? Because its not like theres a million different exigent circumstances and variables or thst sometimes you just have to improvise. First of all.i wasn't saying be faster or some shit im saying if your opponent swings high with his axe and you go to punch him in his neck you are also blocking his swing. But im pretty sure you implied an axe would go through a shield which....no

@mondaysinsanity8193

3 жыл бұрын

@Meba wtf are you on about? No shit you csn kill better with an axe that's not the argument were just saying you can use a shield offensively in a very effective manner its not purely defensive or even close to it. And saying that using a shield offensively can work on a situational basis is like saying a bone can kill a knight is well Thats fucking stupid and not anywheres near a valid comparison. Like even if im arguing dude with shield can beat dude with axe. Thats still fucking stupid to equate that. A guy with a shield vs a guy with an axe has a bit of a disadvantage but still has quite a bit to work with(for one he can block the axe while axe guy cant really block the shield) Its not anywheres close to "because he misses %100 of the time" its closer too "shield guy just has to be a little clever a little lucky and kinda strong)

I've watched dudes in plate armor get knocked right out by a buckler punch... shield punching is a completely valid tactic.

@rikgales123

3 жыл бұрын

Where do you see something like that these days?

@conspiracy_marine9238

3 жыл бұрын

@@rikgales123 imcf compations

@MAXIMILLIONtheGREAT

3 жыл бұрын

@@rikgales123 Full contact sparing. Look up HEMA, god knows you're on the right part of KZread

@rikgales123

3 жыл бұрын

@@MAXIMILLIONtheGREAT as a boxer, if you knock someone out you are doing sparring very wrong

@clothar23

3 жыл бұрын

@@rikgales123 To be fair your average boxer doesn't have a shield , a gauntlet, leather backed chain mail , and their body weight behind a punch.

I Love your debunking/analysis Videos. I was extremely hyped when the notification popped up and you (as always) didn't dissapoint me. Love your Channel, keep that good work up!

That message is useless because Mr.Mat takes literally all criticism as “hate”

@Reddotzebra

3 жыл бұрын

Anyone who makes money off any odd bit of garbage they put out will tend to do this. Most likely because it's too much work coming up with anything else to say. I mean, at this point he probably has staff to do everything not related to actually filming videos, staff to write scripts, staff to do minimal "research", staff to edit...

@johnathanera5863

3 жыл бұрын

You read these comments? Tell me how many of them seem "constructive". Yeah. Thought so. The history community is great. But they also have a terrible case of self importance.

@ebreshea

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnathanera5863 Why do the comments on this video have to be constructive criticism? The youtubers have done a fine job of it already. And I'd hardly call the comments section "the history community". Some of us might be educated, but most of us come here *to be educated* , and also entertained. If matpat ignores this video because the comments on it are mean, then that's pretty sad.

Miyamoto Musashi is laughing his a-$~$ off in the afterlife watching this guy's video.

@Phantom_Zer0

3 жыл бұрын

@Dux i don't know if he was very famous with the ladies to be honest lol.

@cahallo5964

3 жыл бұрын

He probably was but I don't think he cared at all, like, I read somewhere that he didn't take baths because it would leave him vulnerable to assasination lol

@MehdiProductions

3 жыл бұрын

Is that a Sassanid king in your picture?

@turtlesaredifferentfromtor6745

3 жыл бұрын

@@cahallo5964 That’s a misconception, all historical record indicated otherwise.

@cahallo5964

3 жыл бұрын

@@turtlesaredifferentfromtor6745 not taking a bath is different from not ever washing yourself, cuz you know, japanese baths are a whole ritual.

Todd's looking for target Practice volunteers?...

@ruthrouse

3 жыл бұрын

Watch his plumbata video, I think it might be in reference to that

@jonsimpson6240

3 жыл бұрын

After matpats video, I want to volunteer.

Also, the thing with using an Axe as a battlefield weapon is that it's not just a battlefield weapon. There were many uses for it. Also, I would think that the people who were raided (what Viking really meant by the way) by Norseman would argue if they could that the axe was a very effective weapon.

I do love it when a community actually works together when debunking inaccuracies. It just makes things easier to understand

I was about to comment on something about Filipino traditional martial arts but Metatron just mentioned it. What a beast

@mortenjacobsen5673

3 жыл бұрын

Well even taekwondo has double teknuiqes and thats from Korea, kumgang, kung fu also has doubble teknuiqes.

@ViincenttB

3 жыл бұрын

@@mortenjacobsen5673 true but kali/eskrima/Arnis focuses on wielding a weapon in both hands

@mortenjacobsen5673

3 жыл бұрын

@@ViincenttB yes but attacks alternate from overhand and the under and from side to side,

@ViincenttB

3 жыл бұрын

@@mortenjacobsen5673 I'm not arguing against your point. I took taekwondo for years and I know that formal WTO taekwondo does not formally incorporate weapons training (only in some schools) unlike FMA that focuses on weapons

@KamenRider1

3 жыл бұрын

@@ViincenttB True. Our modern practice (I am currently studying under the Cinco Teros style ) of Kali-Arnis focuses on weapons, but the dual wielding sequences also help in the dexterity of using the so-called "empty hand" in parrying/checking/trapping for using single weapons, as well as total empty handed techniques in Dumog and Panuntukan/Suntukan. Similar in a way to the actual use of the "Hiki-te" (pulling hand) in Karatedo. It's meant to control/seize an opponent, and possibly to break their posture in close quarters. Sensei Ian Abernathy made good videos on this: m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y32a1qugddnUg8Y.html

6:48 You mentioned us... What have you done?! But anyway, arnis is indeed very awesome.

@KamenRider1

3 жыл бұрын

Well, it's true though. Us Arnisadors also use our "empty hand" in single stick/blade to trap/check/control the opponent like traditional Okinawan Karatekas encouraged in their lectures.

45 seconds in, and I'm subscribed. Great to have a new channel with a nice backlog of interesting videos. :)

I remember in the show "Deadliest Warrior" (I know, I know) they did a great job showing how deadly a shield can be on its own. A hoplite shield could knock out, if not outright kill, an unarmored person if struck in the head. Sure a lot of the show was complete bs, but credit where credit is due, seeing the real thing go up against realistic analogs was pretty cool.

That opening is amazing. Mathew Patrick is in trouble.

Ahhh yes Shad opened the party but now it's really heating up

Ok, I've been watching lots of your videos. You had me cracking up. I realized I hadn't subscribed. I'm sorry about that. I have rectified that. 6:52 You are correct. Part of my Muay Thair training over the years has included some dabbling into Eskrima and Sayoc Kali, both that employ some "dual wielding" used both offensively, or defensively, an "roof" block for instance, and a combination of both.

I didn't know about knight errand thank u so much. I've been subscribed to all of u guys for years. love your content

Hey!!! Another video on GT, last one is the reason I subscribed to your channel. The memories, what a nostalgia trip!

I love how Shad, Schola, Lindy and the metatron all work and play well together and just the HUGE amount of knowledge between just these four guys. I mean, at this point, watching their videos is more educational that most medieval/military history courses throughout most universities, ESPECIALLY undergrad classes.

@sugondese5497

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Skallagrim! Once he makes a reply to the video the For Honor trip will be complete and it really will be 2017 all over again.

When it comes to the concept of spikes shields, in collaboration with another crusader like myself who is a guy who has made some weapons and studies history, like me, though my primary focus is the Crusades, he mentioned Spiked Shields were a decorative piece. They were Decor and not weapons, which fits them. And after the third time Mat has done this, well... I’m not willing to help him. But, my crusader comrade has made a good argument with dual wielding and he does seem proficient with it. And as a minor correction, Mat has some weapon experience. In choreography because in the same damn month you, Skall, and Shad made responses to him, on his TV Show, Game Lab, he hired a Choreographer to teach him swordplay, which me and my lad were rather offended by as sword enthusiasts. And also people who practice in the art of swordplay.

Just found your channel recently. Subscribed as you give good logical discussions.

Oh I love it when everyone takes jabs at MatPat.

22:44 Metatron's "flabbergasted" face is hilarious 🤣

The duel wielding segment reminds me of a Zombie airsoft event I went to, I ran out of ammo on my primary so I wipped out my buddies two Webley revolvers with the (rubber) bayonet attachments. The “zombies” did not have a fun time trying to deal with that.

game theory introduced me to your channel nd skall years ago I was watching alot of his videos then I got yours as recommended so it ain't that bad...

So um the biggest advantage to a melee weapon is not giving you a bigger lever or greater reach, it is one very simple thing. It is a force multiplier. There are different ways to multiply that force that dont include extending your reach. Brass knuckles for example. They work by concentrating the force of your entire fist into the small surface area of the brass knuckles. Pretty sure Matt got like 4 things right in this video and one of them is his name.

Me: sees intro... Also me: “oh THIS is gonna be good!”... (Popcorn munching sounds) ...(needs more salt)...

@UnexpectedWonder

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!!! 😁😁😁😊😊

@borisbuklijas4151

3 жыл бұрын

A Roman sees Carthage : "Needs more salt"

@J0hnHenrySNEEDen

3 жыл бұрын

Why not some butter?

This intro has set new standards. A fair review as well. Great work!

About the argument of contact area: he is forgetting another physical property and that is hardness. Basically if you hit someone with your fist, tendons, muscle and bones are there. SOme of it has some leeway to give way and therefore basically "cushion" the impact and limit the amount of transfered force. With a shield that is less of an issue. Plus you have more weight with a shield, aiding with the kinetics and no chance to injure yourself, as opposed to hitting someone with a fist.

First of all, OH MY GOD! You listed literally ALL of the channels that I mentioned on Shad's response to this video from Game Theory! Second, I've got a question for you, Metatron. I watched your videos about the Netflix series Barbarians, and enjoyed them, but I have a question for you about which Barbarian leader you want them to do next. Arminius is part of a group that I call the Eleven Nightmares of Rome: Brennus, Hannibal, Viriathus, Spartacus, Vercingetorix, Arminius, Boudica, Fritigern, Alaric, Attila, and Geiseric. They've done Arminius now, but if you had to choose from the remaining ten in that Eleven which one you wanted to see them do next, which one would you pick? If I had to pick, I would choose Geiseric, King of the Vandals.

@mortenjacobsen5673

3 жыл бұрын

Lets not gang up on him, "shad gives hidden order to toxic fanbase

@Speederzzz

3 жыл бұрын

Geiseric: That's a nice fleet you have there... it would be a shame if someone send a fire ship at it

@kevinnorwood8782

3 жыл бұрын

@@mortenjacobsen5673 We’re not a toxic fanbase. We just want the man to do a hell of a lot more RESEARCH to prevent himself from making outlandish claims that make him look like he doesn’t know anything about whatever he’s talking about.

@mortenjacobsen5673

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevinnorwood8782 and thats exactly what happend on another channel that should not be named, when an expert or more made a video response things got dirty. Real toxic. And now they argu about what a fictonal charactet does in a fictional game made by some people who belive history channels vikibgs is an accurate portail. There is an srgument that the shield was the primary weapon when used with a sword, axe, or other, Spears give a diffrent dynamic, but non mention or refrence this

@mortenjacobsen5673

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevinnorwood8782 kzread.info/dash/bejne/moKZqdupec7Hc7Q.html

I was wondering if this was in the works. Now all we need is Skall's reply.

"You can't do much damage with a shield" Tell me how the grass tastes little man!

Metatron: I know that everyone who watches this video practises HEMA ME: who never held a sword in his life

metaboy.. the boy is so meta

Ah I love these bashing GT videos, lmao even though it really isn't a diss.

@shardinhand1243

3 жыл бұрын

not bashing, currecting and refining my good man, mats near and dear to my heart, more so then metetron, yet mat strives for better, and metetron is a good man to help him get there!

@doomerbear937

3 жыл бұрын

@@shardinhand1243 that is true but still patt makes a bunch of outrageous theories.

@shardinhand1243

3 жыл бұрын

@@doomerbear937 yup big agree met here is just the man to help mat better his knoledge

I love how they dont usually collaborate but they talk about each other in their videos KNOWING you know who they are (because we’re all in this geek circle together). Best niece community on youtube.

Shad sent me over here, been loving your content!