Why Didn't Roman Legionaries Use Gladiator Helmets?

Gladiators were armed fighters who entertained audiences fighting with other gladiators, condemned criminals, wild animals. Gladiators could sometimes be volunteers willing to risk everything fighting in the arena. Most of them were treated as slaves.
Games involving the gladiators lasted for about a thousand years.
Gladiators games were a rich business for owners and trainers, and for politicians aswell..
Shows involving gladiators' fights were organized throughout the Republic and beyond.
First types of gladiator were named after Rome's enemies of that time: the Samnite, Thracian and Gaul. The Samnite and the Gaul were renamed Secutor and Murmillo, after the Roman Empire conquered those populations.
The trade in gladiators was empire-wide and supervised by Roman officials. Rome's had a large supply of prisoners due to its military success, and those prisoners could sometimes be sold to the market and become gladiators.
Gladiators were sometimes ex-slaves condemned to the arena, to gladiator schools or games as punishment for crimes.
Female gladiators appeared rarely and were regarded as a symptom of corrupted Roman appetites, morals and womanhood.
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  • @eyeballpapercut4400
    @eyeballpapercut44003 жыл бұрын

    "If you're interested in gladiatorial classes" Teach us, Aniki

  • @blasterofmuppets4754

    @blasterofmuppets4754

    3 жыл бұрын

    yes please

  • @celestialdiscord2716

    @celestialdiscord2716

    3 жыл бұрын

    He had a video on it already

  • @eyeballpapercut4400

    @eyeballpapercut4400

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@celestialdiscord2716 No he didn't teach how to be such an artist, a performance artist to be exact

  • @eyeballpapercut4400

    @eyeballpapercut4400

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@blasterofmuppets4754 I hope he won't charge us 300 bucks for how to fist correctly

  • @Monster3Games

    @Monster3Games

    3 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/dq2rsNGcYbKXm8Y.html

  • @Yumao420
    @Yumao4203 жыл бұрын

    Short answer: They were expensive and uncomfortable to carry around when not in battle. For the same reason they didn't used musculatas or manicas en masse. Yet, as always, great analysis with lots of wonderful information and good arguments.

  • @perrytran9504

    @perrytran9504

    3 жыл бұрын

    People forget that even in the Middle Ages the average dude didn't wear a fully enclosed helmet like an armet or hounskull. The timeframe where every soldier was wearing full plate also didn't last very long compared to the whole Middle Ages since the rise of gunpowder meant people eventually gravitated back towards lesser coverage and open helmets.

  • @Yumao420

    @Yumao420

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@perrytran9504 Swiss pikeman and the tercios are a great example of this. They stadarised heavy armour for like 50 years before going back for lighter armour. For example the italo-spanish rodeleros were at first an attempt to bring the Roman Legions back to life. Then they found a different niche, breaking pike lines in a similar manner to the german doppelsoldners but instead of using a massive sword for both breaking the pikes and attacking they divided these tasks between a little but sturdy shield and a short sword. Also it's good to notice that they were better suited for defending against crossbows and archers but unable to contribute in bringing cavalry down; making them better suited to fight in the italian landscape were missile warfare was more useful than cavalry charges, the exactly contrary to the situation in central Europe.

  • @GoingRampant92

    @GoingRampant92

    3 жыл бұрын

    To Add to your statement; Practicality would have been a large factor. Getting a Large group to move in unison isn't the easiest task, Let alone getting them to kill and die in that manner; now limit vision, air, and hearing(more so than the cheek plates would already). It would complicate the The backbone of how the legions fought, and make it more difficult for the individual soldier to perform his role within the cohesive unit; which would spiral up the chain, weakening the whole. The added protection/cost just wouldn't have been worth it Imho.

  • @doge8726

    @doge8726

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for saving me the 17 minutes : ) I’ll go watch something else now

  • @Yumao420

    @Yumao420

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@doge8726 It's still good to see

  • @SheyD78
    @SheyD783 жыл бұрын

    I'd suspect also that Romans were far more likely to be fighting in hot climates than more northerly European knights, so the overheating problem would be worse for them. Also the legions were on foot where the fully visored knights were more likely to be on horse back, so travelling with a heavier helm would have been harder. Even fashion could have been an influence as legionaries might have been reluctant to look like gladiators.

  • @MrRabiddogg

    @MrRabiddogg

    9 ай бұрын

    I would tend to agree with you. As Rome expanded, the troops in Syria would be differently geared than those in Gaul or Britain. I know a lot of it has to do with the armies they are fighting, but the environment would also play a role either directly or indirectly.

  • @marcusviniciusmagalhaesdea3779
    @marcusviniciusmagalhaesdea37793 жыл бұрын

    One thing that people forget about legions is that they were generalists, a legionary was a soldier, a farmer, a construction worker, a messenger and should do everything himself with the armor. A medieval man at arms had squires, and was not supose to do a lot o things by himself.

  • @Goldenleyend

    @Goldenleyend

    3 жыл бұрын

    Exactly, they weren't just well rounded as soldiers but in life in general

  • @felixalbrecht9111

    @felixalbrecht9111

    3 жыл бұрын

    It depends on what you consider a man at arms and what perioud you are reffering to. In the 15th century heavy infantery was very well equipped and could considered man at arms. They had at least partial armor designd do be woren at different dutys like camp building, trench digging, construction of machinery and guard duty. But i totally agree on the first half of your statement.

  • @kyleheins

    @kyleheins

    3 жыл бұрын

    It is interesting to note that, regardless of era, tge most heavy armor available at the time was almost exclusive to those with attendants. Not all those with attendants wore the heaviest possible armor, but if you lacked attendants it was extremely unlikely you would even be able to use the heaviest available armor, much less that one would bother trying.

  • @markhorton3994

    @markhorton3994

    3 жыл бұрын

    A medieval knight certainly was a farmer. He just didn't do the work himself.

  • @GinoLuccio

    @GinoLuccio

    3 жыл бұрын

    Didn't they get their equipment distributed? Or was that just for the professional soldiers, not the bulk of the army? It's what I always thought, they they used these type of helmets because the proper fully enclosed ones were a lot harder to make and thus too expensive. I need more books ...

  • @mortenpedersen7151
    @mortenpedersen71513 жыл бұрын

    Metatron, I would like to challenge you to a game of warhammer at some point in the future

  • @Toxked

    @Toxked

    3 жыл бұрын

    Have you seen him use a war hammer? I think he he could crush anyone's skull... oh wait you mean the game, not a practice dule.

  • @damianthebeholder6775

    @damianthebeholder6775

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hail Bretonnia

  • @Toxked

    @Toxked

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think there are two other things that are factors, one you touched on but not spisificly. Armies spend the vast majority of there time marching and a small amount fighting. The weight and bulkyness of face covering would be a factor. Also the cost. Out fitting thousands for minimal gain with the loss of sight is another factor.

  • @orkhepaj

    @orkhepaj

    3 жыл бұрын

    is that a lamelf army?

  • @orkhepaj

    @orkhepaj

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@damianthebeholder6775 bretonia is the best , peasant rush wins every time

  • @jackh5761
    @jackh57613 жыл бұрын

    The segmentata still looks pristine. Good job legionnaire. -your local centurion

  • @libertyprime6932

    @libertyprime6932

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think he said it's stainless steel :P

  • @olafkueppers3861
    @olafkueppers38613 жыл бұрын

    Hi Metatron, the Gladiator helmet from Pompeii you show at the start of the video - handled by the museum curators - is most certainly a Murmillo! The Armaturae were somewhat distinct by the crest designs, so the Thraex always has a more rounded crest, with a Griffin head at the front - as the helmet developed out of the Hellenistic Thracian helmet in the shape of a Phrygian cap. The Murmillo and Hoplomachus helmets however developed out of the Attic/Macedonian helmet with a more angled crest, and that is why the helmets with a fin-shaped crest are always shown worn by these Armaturae. Also Gladiator helmets do not have faceplates, but the face protection essentially developed out of two big cheek-pieces that grew large enough to meet in front of the face. Next the open eye holes get covered by grills and then the grills get larger for better breathing. But even in the Berlin Murmillo helmet, you see that there are still two grills meeting in front and two small plates to protect the throat under them, which are the remants of the former cheek pieces. Also, while the Murmillo was the initial opponent of the Retiarius, the Secutor helmet evolved out of the Gallus/Essedarius who was another Armatura that was initially put up against the Retiarius. So you are right in a way that the net was effective against the Murmillo, but this obviously unbalanced the fight to much in favour of the Retiarius, so to make the fight fair again, the Secutor needed to be developed. And from experience, fighting as a Retiatrius, I can tell you the trident is a very effective weapon ;-) More on the topic can be found on my Facebook "Gladiator Research" group. The points you made are of course valid, but note that even the later Roman Milites have the Niederbieber type of helmet that also features enlarged cheek pieces and better protection of the face, mimicking the Gladiator helmet development somewhat. But of course, vision, breathability and also very importantly weight, prevented these from featuring even better protection. As you mentioned even in medieval times visors were mostly used by cavalry - though sometimes dismounted - while dedicated infantry still mainly used open faced designs.

  • @F1ghteR41

    @F1ghteR41

    3 жыл бұрын

    What an underappreciated comment! Also, to add to your points, _hippica gymnasia_ helmets (Crosby Garrett, Ribchester, Newstead, Emesa, etc.) can also be likened to the galdiatorial helmets in terms of coverage, yet they were actually worn by the military units. I suppose, the scope of the video only included footmen, not legionary cavalry, but it's an interesting point to consider anyway.

  • @roflchiefmcjoflchief1791

    @roflchiefmcjoflchief1791

    10 ай бұрын

    Nerd 🤓

  • @mtlb4906
    @mtlb49063 жыл бұрын

    About the hearing of the centurions commands during battle: propably when shouted a command, the man next to him repeated and shouted it too, and the next and the man so everybody could hear it. That's a common practice in the modern Finnish army, most likely the Romans did so too.

  • @FlinnGaidin

    @FlinnGaidin

    3 жыл бұрын

    Was gonna say the same thing, lol.

  • @ss5gogetunks

    @ss5gogetunks

    3 жыл бұрын

    Heck this is how we did it in my larp faction and is one of the reasons we were so effective

  • @Taffer-bx7uc

    @Taffer-bx7uc

    3 жыл бұрын

    How's that possible in the Finnish army? I heard that anything under one mile to another human being in Finland is considered to be too close for comfort.

  • @mtlb4906

    @mtlb4906

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Taffer-bx7uc Funny. In the army we just have to get closer...

  • @thedripkingofangmar6778

    @thedripkingofangmar6778

    3 жыл бұрын

    Same thing in Switzerland

  • @Cx10110100
    @Cx101101003 жыл бұрын

    Considering equipment in the Emperial times had to be supplied by the state i'd think price was also a factor.

  • @joaoarturdasilvapiteira9239

    @joaoarturdasilvapiteira9239

    3 жыл бұрын

    Nothing changed 🤣

  • @makeitsonumberone1358

    @makeitsonumberone1358

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@joaoarturdasilvapiteira9239 you beat me to it lol

  • @luizclaudio527

    @luizclaudio527

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@joaoarturdasilvapiteira9239 Well, in medieval times weapons and armor were very often personal belongings of the warrior, not really provided by the state... So i guess it changed and then changed back lol

  • @PumpkinHoard

    @PumpkinHoard

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@makeitsonumberone1358 I knew guys that had to buy their own body armour to serve in Iraq/Afghanisan. Really, nothing has changed. You expect modern militaries to provide the equipment these days..... Nope. Nothing has changed lol.

  • @CarilletaReach

    @CarilletaReach

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@PumpkinHoard Stupid world, nations send men to fight for them and doesn't even provide essential basics, yet there is still money for medals and awards

  • @crisr.8280
    @crisr.82803 жыл бұрын

    Admittedly I came to your channel 6 years ago for your videos on gladiators for a literary costume production for university and have been enjoying the educational and informative content since.

  • @markhorton3994
    @markhorton39943 жыл бұрын

    A shorter version of what Metatron said. Legionnaires did not wear gladiator helmets because they were not gladiators. They did not fight one on one in a controlled,prepared space where the only thing to hear was the crowd, for only a few minutes of a time. Legionnaires faced the exact opposite conditions and their equipment was made accordingly.

  • @thelocdesiringentryintoyou3686

    @thelocdesiringentryintoyou3686

    3 жыл бұрын

    @wulpurgis well they’re definitely comparable, mainly just depends on the period. Many similar design features, but obviously hearing and sight and practicality for production are more important for war. The production is something I don’t see many people commenting on. Would take far longer to create an ornate close faced intimidating helmed than a simple metal bascinet type thing. Like it would be a great choice for commanders, just not field commanders. I always wished Rome would have had their generals duel others(or captains or whatever(even like the scene from for honor where the commanders send their seconds) when they crushed their army to determine the outcome of the soldiers. Would have made for some badass centurion armors that were very ornate, but still practical

  • @virniedumaguin9325
    @virniedumaguin93253 жыл бұрын

    I’m glad that you were able to still upload after being hacked you are the best KZreadr in KZread and hello from the invicta community 1st comment

  • @metatronyt

    @metatronyt

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes back and fully operational. Thanks!

  • @azmhyr

    @azmhyr

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@metatronyt Who hacked you and why?

  • @dennisthemenace943

    @dennisthemenace943

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@azmhyr he talks about it in another video it was uploaded like a few days ago

  • @roguegen5536

    @roguegen5536

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@azmhyr he did a video on it recently. It was some kind of sponsor scammer. Been happening to a lot of KZreadrs lately, but they didn't get anything from him.

  • @azmhyr

    @azmhyr

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@roguegen5536 daaaymn

  • @sevenproxies4255
    @sevenproxies42553 жыл бұрын

    Always had a soft spot for the closed gladiator helmets. They make the wearer look menacing and inhuman. With legionaire helmets you still see a human face. A human, although well trained, can still bleed, feel terror and meet their death. But the gladiator helmets make the wearer resemble a monster.

  • @BigWillyG1000

    @BigWillyG1000

    3 жыл бұрын

    I wonder how much of the no face thing is related to the theater aspect. Greco-Roman theater actors wore masks and gladiator combat was very much a theatrical event especailly by the Pax Romana era- reenactments of battles from history, staging stories from myths, flooding an arena to have miniature naval battles. Also I'm sure helmets were designed for balance purposes to use modern video game parlance.

  • @BigWillyG1000

    @BigWillyG1000

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Fotachi george constantin If that were true psyops wouldn't be a thing to this day.

  • @G0rdonFr33man

    @G0rdonFr33man

    3 жыл бұрын

    Makes no difference, skill is all that matters, not perception. Only amateurs are swayed by perception, rather than reality. Roman legionnaires were not amateurs.

  • @G0rdonFr33man

    @G0rdonFr33man

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Fotachi george constantin 100%

  • @G0rdonFr33man

    @G0rdonFr33man

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@BigWillyG1000 Psyops if for untrained masses and is a long-term project, this is a martial art battle for survival by trained soldiers and is a brief event. You are delusional if you think trained people are intimidated by looks. You ought to watch any martial arts competition... I am a trained grappler of Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, and if you think bigger people intimidate me, you are clueless about how trained martial artists think about their skills after years of training and honing these skills.

  • @stalkob6649
    @stalkob66493 жыл бұрын

    As far as I've seen, the interest in gladiator still exists, although when people discuss it or even make a movie out of it, it ends up being overexaggerated and inaccurate. A video in which you go over the classes and the history of the evolution of gladiators as a profession would be worth seeing.

  • @Odwolf2

    @Odwolf2

    3 жыл бұрын

    He does have a video where he summarizes gladiator classes and how they fought. But I'm always up for more detail lol

  • @stalkob6649

    @stalkob6649

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Odwolf2 He did mention that he made videos, but a revised version is always welcome

  • @GinoLuccio

    @GinoLuccio

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, I'd love to see more on the topic too. Good to get some real depth instead of just going with the typical Spartacus bad-ass story. Check out Metatron's "Gladiators - Types Classes and Equipment", it's pretty good too. And if you have the time Lindybeige has a cool video on gladiators. He goes more into how they did not kill off every single gladiator every time an event was helt. I don't know how historically accurate it is, but it's definitly entertaining.

  • @QuietFromMetalGearSolid
    @QuietFromMetalGearSolid3 жыл бұрын

    I think gladiator gear is like sports uniform, they are made to look impressive while playing

  • @BigWillyG1000

    @BigWillyG1000

    3 жыл бұрын

    And to balance play. We know Romans tried to only set certain types against each other because neither had a clear advantage. Just considering how much gambling was central to games I'm sure nobody hosting games wanted to anger local bookies running games that even looked rigged due to matches that were unbalanced.

  • @keshavrao212
    @keshavrao2123 жыл бұрын

    I had this question in my head for a long time, just remembered that I had this question when I read the title! And you are giving the answer, that sir is an honorable moment for me.

  • @sevenproxies4255
    @sevenproxies42553 жыл бұрын

    Wasn't the Murmillo helmets sometimes purposefully designed to be easier to entangle in the net of a retiarius? I seem to recall that the classes of Murmillo and Retiarius was intended to show a kind of dramatic struggle between a fisherman and a sea monster. Hence why the Retiarius was armed with a trident and a net (fishermans tools) and some Murmillo helmets were decorated to resemble a fish head with scales.

  • @BigWillyG1000

    @BigWillyG1000

    3 жыл бұрын

    A lot of gladiator equipment evolved for balance reasons. It might start as real weapons based on what Romans either used or faced in battle- scutum, gladius, pugio, scika, etc but got modded for make things more interesting. By the height of the Principate gladiator combat is a very theatrical sport.

  • @grillyalta

    @grillyalta

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you take a look at the Secutor, the actual enemy of the Retiarius, his helmet is more rounded compared to the Murmillo's helmet. Reason is exactly what you pointed out, but the other way around, so to give the Secutor a little more advantage against the net :)

  • @RedmarKerkhof
    @RedmarKerkhof3 жыл бұрын

    I have some more speculation: a soldier's face being in full view of the centurio means they could be personally adressed and held accountable for their actions and wouldn't be able to hide behind a helmet. Considering how highly valued discipline was in the Roman army, that seems to make sense.

  • @s.p..smdness8748

    @s.p..smdness8748

    3 жыл бұрын

    Nice theory.

  • @bugrilyus

    @bugrilyus

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@s.p..smdness8748 not theory

  • @s.p..smdness8748

    @s.p..smdness8748

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@bugrilyus Oh, there's proof of this ? Nice ! Where ?

  • @GoingRampant92

    @GoingRampant92

    3 жыл бұрын

    Honestly that is a really good point. I consider the full face to be impractical for how the Legions operated and fought (tight formations with limited vision and air amidst combat?). Your remark kind of adds to that, another comment mentions how the legionnaires would have had to be generalists, foraging and hunting etc; Likely having done so at least partially geared up. I think the three of us have the answer hah.

  • @assumjongkey1383

    @assumjongkey1383

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@bugrilyus but that just a theory a game theory ! Thanks for watching!

  • @vicar5271
    @vicar52713 жыл бұрын

    You're answering the question that popped into my head once and then buried them deep. Thanks man.

  • @shieldwallofdragons
    @shieldwallofdragons3 жыл бұрын

    Are those high elves behind you on the shelf?...if so that is an elf on the shelf I can get behind...great video Sir.

  • @pavelstaravoitau7106

    @pavelstaravoitau7106

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yep, he collects and plays extensively.

  • @ScorpioMartianus
    @ScorpioMartianus3 жыл бұрын

    Listen to that perfect Latin pronunciation! 🤩 Italians do it best (or at least this one does!) 🇮🇹 Super interesting. Thanks very much!

  • @northumbriabushcraft1208
    @northumbriabushcraft12083 жыл бұрын

    I like your high elf bolt thrower and brettonian green knight. Reminds me of the best days of warhammer fantasy

  • @stevenkobb156
    @stevenkobb1563 жыл бұрын

    You asked whether we would be interested in a newer gladiatorial video. I'm not the one to ask as I love all your videos anyway. Thanks for all you do, mate.

  • @antoaniusiii9364
    @antoaniusiii93643 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for these videos about gladiators, I would defienetly love to see more.

  • @GoofballGorgon
    @GoofballGorgon3 жыл бұрын

    I'd like the gladiator class video. A vid about the Roman military's structure would be good as well.

  • @SteveDice21
    @SteveDice213 жыл бұрын

    "He's a centurion, he's leading 80 men." This makes me uncomfortable. In all seriousness, regarding the soldiers not being able to hear the centurion. Didn't the Romans use some kind of 'musical' instruments and gave the instructions in code?

  • @metatronyt

    @metatronyt

    3 жыл бұрын

    It is speculated, and it is possible, even plausible, but not a lot of evidence to support it. Sure, they found some whistles in what was a miliatry encampment, but that doesn't mean they used them for battle, they could have just been personal belongings, we simply don't know.

  • @boristhethoughtdodger3162

    @boristhethoughtdodger3162

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@metatronyt So, are historians unsure about information like this: inaciem.com/diary/cornicen-and-tubicen where cornicens were centurions' "loudspeakers"?

  • @ArifRWinandar

    @ArifRWinandar

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@metatronyt Those must be ceremonial whistles.

  • @HappyBeezerStudios

    @HappyBeezerStudios

    3 жыл бұрын

    Why is he leading 80? Where have the other 20 run off to?

  • @captainwaffles6576

    @captainwaffles6576

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@metatronyt I hear that the spartan military used musical instruments to give instructions in a chaos of battle it's hard to believe that the Romans didn't do the same.

  • @xXScissorHandsXx
    @xXScissorHandsXx3 жыл бұрын

    Solid comprehensive breakdown 👍👍

  • @Dunescaler
    @Dunescaler3 жыл бұрын

    You're gladiator types and classes video remains one of my favourites, so you have my vote for more info :)

  • @marki7356
    @marki73563 жыл бұрын

    Wow i've been gone for a while and i guess he changes outfits now too ... cool very cool and interesting vids

  • @vladdrakul7851
    @vladdrakul78513 жыл бұрын

    I believe the real reason is the legionaires AND phalangists main protection comes from the shields (see Matt Easton) used in mass formations which protect your face and in formation hearing and breathing are more important than in one vs one fighting is a very different situation which involves individual skills vs formation fighting in which one's fellows are part of your defence!

  • @BigWillyG1000

    @BigWillyG1000

    3 жыл бұрын

    Which would match a similar evolution in the Medieval period. Fully closed helmets were never all that popular among purely foot troops who fought in formation to begin with and basically go extinct by the Renaissance to be replaced with open helmets like burgonets, morions and even simple secrets under cloth hats. Closed helmets survived among heavy horse where after an initial charge things get 1vs1 quickly.

  • @COctagons
    @COctagons3 жыл бұрын

    YES!! I want you to make that video on gladiators! They've always been a subject of particular interest to me, so the more gladiatorial content on this channel, the better!

  • @archangelrsr1326
    @archangelrsr13263 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this historical video! Can't wait for the video about the equites and their helmets. :D

  • @lukediehl1210
    @lukediehl12103 жыл бұрын

    I've often wondered if many gladiatorial helmets were designed to obscure the face as an effort to dehumanize the combatants. It's harder to cheer for death and dismemberment when someone looks out and yells, "OH MY GOD, COUSIN JIMMY!! SOMEBODY STOP THE FIGHT!!"

  • @Zamolxes77

    @Zamolxes77

    3 жыл бұрын

    Probably, they were meant as costumes.

  • @DuckieMcduck

    @DuckieMcduck

    3 жыл бұрын

    I don't think people thought about humanization when they signed up to watch people gut each other. I also don't imagine there was any sort of marketing research at the time, people just did what they thought was cool.

  • @MrPoptart151

    @MrPoptart151

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lindybeige made a good point about this, but it isnt about dehumanizing. He suggested that they wore the obscuring helmets as a way to more or less cheat a fight by being able to talk to your opponent about your attacks with out the crowd being able to see your mouth or expression Here is the video kzread.info/dash/bejne/hYF_mJKIZpybopc.html

  • @lmaolmoo4147

    @lmaolmoo4147

    3 жыл бұрын

    They didn't kill eachother very often though. It's more WWE

  • @lukediehl1210

    @lukediehl1210

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DuckieMcduck I don't mean dehumanize in the way we would think about it today. We know that criminals and dissidents would sometimes be sent to die in the arena. An obscuring helmet would be a great way to make an inconvenient person "disappear." He goes in to fight anonymously, and dies anonymously. They needed people like that for the famous, professional gladiators to slaughter.

  • @dreplays3280
    @dreplays32803 жыл бұрын

    I wanna be able to pronounce Augustus’s full name like he says one day haha

  • @KeithTheSwordGuy
    @KeithTheSwordGuy3 жыл бұрын

    Your first Gladiator video helped me to understand gladiatorial combat and roles alot.

  • @MyllekeBas
    @MyllekeBas3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you professor! Another interesting video!

  • @thebigone6071
    @thebigone60713 жыл бұрын

    You’re the greatest historian in world history Metatron!!! Glad you still have your channel! Keep on clapping those historical cheeks!!!!!

  • @Dark89Avenger
    @Dark89Avenger3 жыл бұрын

    Another reason could be that, not only you cannot hear or see well, but your centurion or decanus cannot recognize you very easy. As a army that is organized as much, as the roman military is, this seems important to me.

  • @awesometon
    @awesometon3 жыл бұрын

    Another great video metatron! Love watching your videos on armor and the romans. Keep up the great work and I look forward to seeing what's next! :)

  • @himadridas7101
    @himadridas71013 жыл бұрын

    Informative as always

  • @LuxisAlukard
    @LuxisAlukard3 жыл бұрын

    Maybe some general said "OK, lets give some troops gladiator helmets, blunt weapons, and see how well will they fight against troops with regular helmets?"

  • @Furniture121

    @Furniture121

    3 жыл бұрын

    I doubt it ever went that far, the impact of the ability of troops to see would have been well known before the time of the Legions.

  • @Zamolxes77

    @Zamolxes77

    3 жыл бұрын

    All they had to do was gather all the centurions in a legion, who were the most experienced, most respected and most veteran of all troops, give them a bunch of gladiator helmets and ask for their input. They would get a harsh reality check in like 5 minutes flat. Not to mention that most roman generals, not all but most, had previous military experience.

  • @seanpoore2428
    @seanpoore24283 жыл бұрын

    Also I imagine the murmillo or secutor helmets Would be very effective for the front rank of legionnaires, but it wouldn't be practical for carrying and maintaining in war on campaign, or hearing orders in battle

  • @BigWillyG1000

    @BigWillyG1000

    3 жыл бұрын

    Closed helmets have generally been worn only in battle and sometimes not even then. Classical Greek art shows hoplites with the Corinthian helmet pushed up when doing literally anything but fighting. Medieval great helms often had chain attachments to a saddle so you only had to put it on right before the charge. Bascinets and sallets often were worn either visor up or with the visor removed even in battle. Even today armored vehicle crews try to fight "unbuttoned" with hatches open because of comfort and situational awareness issues. You get less protection in theory but noticing and taking out the dude with the RPG is often a better way to not be taken out yourself rather than reliance on armor.

  • @SuperOtter13
    @SuperOtter133 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this with us. Always appreciate your insights.

  • @DerFauleHund
    @DerFauleHund3 жыл бұрын

    Great Video. I am looking forward to watch a video about those cavalry helmets.

  • @TubeAddict99
    @TubeAddict993 жыл бұрын

    How to hear what the Centurion commands? Everybody in the unit repeats the command Why no visor for legionary? Shield wall should be enough Why gladiator helmet were big and showy? It’s a show. In big Colosseum and other Arenas, audience sees then better and they look more menancing

  • @malahamavet
    @malahamavet3 жыл бұрын

    I really find the murmillo helmet epic and I wonder if a less ornamented, smaller, simpler design would work on a fantasy warrior. I really want to know how well can you see with a grill. it just looks so inhuman, I love it. also that kettle hat thing he has, it looks like it could give you shade from the sun

  • @FemMuscle
    @FemMuscle3 жыл бұрын

    Yes. please give us a video round-up about all Roman gladiator classes. I really like your style of explanation. Thanks!

  • @Goldenleyend
    @Goldenleyend3 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting! I love seeing more info on helmets and gladiators

  • @Alpha.Phenix
    @Alpha.Phenix3 жыл бұрын

    14:54 - 16:24 So that's why Italians speak with their hands.

  • @ezariogerion3138

    @ezariogerion3138

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ah, good one)

  • @trenthobson2756
    @trenthobson27563 жыл бұрын

    Metatron, I've got an interesting question for you. In a fantasy setting, would late medieval style swords really look the same way they do in our real world? In the real world, western swords started to resemble a cross as a form of Christian iconography, and we can see that in cultures that didn't have christianity, cross guards did not develop as large as they do in christianized society where the sword resembled a cross. My question is what would advanced swords look like in a fantasy setting with fantasy gods, where christianity is not present? Would the cross guards still be large? Would they not? I'm curious to see what other people think.

  • @buffwarriors
    @buffwarriors3 жыл бұрын

    Very informative, as always...

  • @JackyHeijmans
    @JackyHeijmans3 жыл бұрын

    I am most interested in the Roman history in general, though the gladiators have all my attention. I would love to learn everything about them! Thanks for another great video! Much love from the Netherlands! 🤗

  • @kevinstewart1870
    @kevinstewart18703 жыл бұрын

    I had wondered that every so often for years, Then I tried out both helmets in sparring, and I get it.

  • @overlordover114
    @overlordover1143 жыл бұрын

    Metatron: Secutor was heavy armored. Crupellarius: Am I a Joke To You?

  • @MrSqu1nty
    @MrSqu1nty3 жыл бұрын

    I remember gladiator class vid, I loved it! And I would enjoy another, even if it was longer. I know you have learned a few things since then, teach us so we can teach others.

  • @b1zzarecont4ct
    @b1zzarecont4ct2 жыл бұрын

    Your channel is awesome. So much insight

  • @nickdrys
    @nickdrys3 жыл бұрын

    I've often wondered why nasel guards were never adopted, as we see in the early Middle Ages.

  • @BigWillyG1000

    @BigWillyG1000

    3 жыл бұрын

    That is one of those weird, seems obvious things Rome only adopted once exposed to them by certain steppe people who invented them late in the Empire. Cheek pieces as well seem to be borrowed from the Celts.

  • @Ake-TL

    @Ake-TL

    3 жыл бұрын

    may be it makes your nose sweat?

  • @45calibermedic

    @45calibermedic

    3 жыл бұрын

    One idea might be that it would interfere with easily hanging the helmet on the bosom as shown by Metatron, although that would simply mean that they would have carried them differently, making this a moot point. Another would be that the Romans were happy enough with their general helmet design, even with its disadvantages. Also, you'll never have broken or bent nose guards to fix (or perhaps file down to a stub and reissue to save time) if you don't ask your armorers go through the effort to make them in the first place.

  • @nevolevy7630
    @nevolevy76303 жыл бұрын

    dedicated vidoes for Gladiators and their ckasses would be awsome, i cant wait for you to preduce them :)

  • @hanliu3707

    @hanliu3707

    3 жыл бұрын

    I thought he made one?

  • @NIKINUKI_
    @NIKINUKI_3 жыл бұрын

    The other day I re-watched the old gladiator videos and had the same question of why they wouldn't use the helmet designs for the legions. And a few days later you upload this video answering exactly that. lol

  • @brendansavage3501
    @brendansavage35013 жыл бұрын

    I’ve never seen the Roman cavalry masks like you showed there! I’m looking forward to your video on them!

  • @erenozsahin9967
    @erenozsahin99673 жыл бұрын

    Hey Metatron,I wanted to know did Emperor Aurelian wear a face mask

  • @makky6239

    @makky6239

    3 жыл бұрын

    A total war player huh?

  • @astolbro7183
    @astolbro71833 жыл бұрын

    People like to forget that the roman soldier was wearing his armor pretty often

  • @jonj9352
    @jonj93523 жыл бұрын

    Definitely interested in more information regarding gladiators, metatron. Thank you as always

  • @katsomeday1
    @katsomeday13 жыл бұрын

    I love how you add the little things like how they wore the helmets while marching. It's things that really help understanding how much had to be taken into consideration when designing weapons and armor and how well thought out the Roman military was.

  • @grundierungtaglich6241
    @grundierungtaglich62413 жыл бұрын

    That one dislike be like: *"I don't like fun"*

  • @kvarnerinfoTV
    @kvarnerinfoTV3 жыл бұрын

    Who was the one that put dislike onto this. I curse upon you.

  • @sreckom92

    @sreckom92

    3 жыл бұрын

    Probably some 4-year old, that was given a phone/tablet for entertainment, randomly pressed a dislike button. I see no other explanation why would anyone dislike this. :D

  • @kvarnerinfoTV

    @kvarnerinfoTV

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@sreckom92 true :-D

  • @xavier779
    @xavier7793 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoyed learning about some aspects of gladiatorial combat. I’m sure you’ve done a video on it before but I wouldn’t mind a revisit or expansion on what you’ve already covered

  • @KamiSeiTo
    @KamiSeiTo3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Metatron, yes interested in an updated video on gladiators! Thanks for your interesting content, as always. n_n

  • @robendert7617
    @robendert76173 жыл бұрын

    Over-specialized sports equipment is not necessarily the best for general issue. A formula 1 race car is too specialized if you need a family car to go to work and do your shopping.

  • @Kunaimaru
    @Kunaimaru3 жыл бұрын

    Did Romans use whistles on the battlefield?

  • @abid5087

    @abid5087

    3 жыл бұрын

    Apparently not: imperiumromanum.pl/en/curiosities/did-romans-use-whistles-on-the-battlefield/. obligatory LEGIONARY PULLO! BACK IN FORMATION!

  • @ignoratiodebibiware4295

    @ignoratiodebibiware4295

    3 жыл бұрын

    were chainmail coifs used in roman times?

  • @Kunaimaru

    @Kunaimaru

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ignoratiodebibiware4295 i think not

  • @ignoratiodebibiware4295

    @ignoratiodebibiware4295

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Kunaimaru but why not, if chainmail shirts were common?

  • @Kunaimaru

    @Kunaimaru

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ignoratiodebibiware4295 i'm 80% sure chainmail coifs were a medieval thing. i do bear in mind that in roman times it was possible to make, but it it wasn't used in roman army.

  • @gdk7704
    @gdk77043 жыл бұрын

    Yes!!! Definently make more videos about the different gladiator classes!

  • @bilaltarabey5621
    @bilaltarabey56213 жыл бұрын

    THANK YOU ! it's been a while I was wondering

  • @KofeNePiu
    @KofeNePiu3 жыл бұрын

    Murmillo sounds like another italian cheese type

  • @b1zzarecont4ct

    @b1zzarecont4ct

    2 жыл бұрын

    No it doesn’t

  • @Duke_of_Lorraine
    @Duke_of_Lorraine3 жыл бұрын

    Looks too heavy to fight for several hours, too cumbersome to march 30 or 50 km per day.

  • @shakall-9811
    @shakall-98113 жыл бұрын

    Just discovered your channel and i really enjoyed it; Thx for that really good video which "obliged" me to validate the "bell update".

  • @kuzter1737
    @kuzter17373 жыл бұрын

    Allways had this question, thank you! Greeting from Argentina!!

  • @ktheterkuceder6825
    @ktheterkuceder68253 жыл бұрын

    Because you can only show off so far. Gladiator helmet was too much.

  • @ThunderAndGuillon
    @ThunderAndGuillon3 жыл бұрын

    1:15 You talk about cheek plates generally only being used by the Romans. However I am pretty sure that the Gallic and Greeks used them as well. For example the Thracian and Phrygian helmets used by the armies of Alexander the Great had them. Pretty much every helmet into the Hellenic Greek age featured them.

  • @AchillesFeel
    @AchillesFeel3 жыл бұрын

    I would personally LOVE any more videos about gladiators! Trainings, food, lifestyle anything I can never get enough 😆

  • @galacticwisdom7389
    @galacticwisdom73893 жыл бұрын

    Life is weird ... was thinking of Gina and KK in a gladiator fight to settle SW issues ... then wonder about gladiators gear ... and I find this :) Great channel, nice explanations, would love a "gladiator class" compilation for sure.

  • @Arthur-zb9eh
    @Arthur-zb9eh3 жыл бұрын

    Why didn’t medieval knights use AK-47s?

  • @V2Blacky

    @V2Blacky

    3 жыл бұрын

    I hope that you are joking

  • @adammandic4229

    @adammandic4229

    3 жыл бұрын

    Like seriously they were so stoopid i cant even right now

  • @mikoajfronc1564

    @mikoajfronc1564

    3 жыл бұрын

    Medival knights used M4A1s instead of AK-47s because M4s were better.

  • @JelqSmith

    @JelqSmith

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@V2Blacky honestly, I hope that YOU are the one joking, because it’s clear that he is.

  • @Arthur-zb9eh

    @Arthur-zb9eh

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mikoajfronc1564 True

  • @joeeema3873
    @joeeema38733 жыл бұрын

    First?

  • @Saturnus_Ouranos

    @Saturnus_Ouranos

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes you are

  • @doctorpicardnononono7469

    @doctorpicardnononono7469

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thirst!

  • @augustofioretti6938
    @augustofioretti69383 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are always so nice to learn from ;)

  • @sethbrewer6084
    @sethbrewer60843 жыл бұрын

    Please continue teaching us about Gladiator combat and classes!!

  • @caseymauldin8396
    @caseymauldin83963 жыл бұрын

    Ohh man I'd love to see an updated gladiator class video!!!

  • @TheLOAF90
    @TheLOAF903 жыл бұрын

    I just found your channel; Great information! Please identify the specific classes of gladiators.

  • @NoahRichard
    @NoahRichard3 жыл бұрын

    I would absolutely be interested in more gladiator-focused videos! I'd love to learn about how the different "classes" originated, which could be considered the earliest types, which were the longest-lasting, etc.

  • @ivsovolod
    @ivsovolod3 жыл бұрын

    logical explanaitions, points well made, I buy it, thank you very much

  • @metatronyt

    @metatronyt

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for watching!

  • @dwaynegreen1786
    @dwaynegreen17863 жыл бұрын

    Another outstanding video.

  • @nomoreidolatry9845
    @nomoreidolatry98453 жыл бұрын

    This video was interesting. Great.👍

  • @Xiodeminsa
    @Xiodeminsa3 жыл бұрын

    It would be great if you do more videos about gladiators. You do really good videos, without miths and common misconceptions and if you doubt something you say it. Keep up the good work. Saludos.

  • @brianfuller7691
    @brianfuller76913 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for a great video. Armour is always a compromise between absolute protection and practicality. The history of the development of the Roman army was always adaption and innovation.

  • @kidcthulhufortney1320
    @kidcthulhufortney1320 Жыл бұрын

    This was a great video but I couldn't help being distracted by your nice High Elves and Bretonnians on the shelf behind you (great Green Knight, BTW) 😉

  • @fransbuijs808
    @fransbuijs8083 жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to the video about cavalry helmets.

  • @damirfaizov245
    @damirfaizov2453 жыл бұрын

    This is very interesting. I will be waiting video about types of gladiators)

  • @nightfang175
    @nightfang1753 жыл бұрын

    I'd watch another video of the gladiators, for sure. I think it's a pretty cool topic to learn about, like what all the classes were, who were the well known gladiators and what did the first gladiators equipment look like. Also it would be cool to see how the colosseum functioned, like how did they get animals in there, where did the gladiators enter, and who knows what else. I also heard that they had naval battles in the arena too, there's a lot of stuff to learn about, I'm sure.

  • @kyleheins
    @kyleheins3 жыл бұрын

    Definitely do more on gladiators! That part of historical sports entertainmet is incredibly fascinating and horribly shrouded in myths.

  • @xenomorphphantom8991
    @xenomorphphantom89913 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting theme Metatron,and very informative a video that you made for us.......but...... When are you going to show us your miniature army????

  • @DefilerhXc
    @DefilerhXc3 жыл бұрын

    I would love to request more gladiator themed videos if possible. Teach Us Oh Great One!

  • @sherab2078
    @sherab20783 жыл бұрын

    Yes, please, make a video about different gladiator 'classes'! :)