Jaime: -Have Brienne die during the battle of Winterfell so Jaime has more of a reason to go back to Cersei. - Get rid of the “I never cared about the innocents” line. - There should be a level of uncertainty about Jaime’s true motivations when he goes back to Cersei. - Have Jaime die before he can get close to Cersei, so the viewer is left unaware of whether he was planning on killing her or not. Whether he is truly redeemed by the end should be left ambiguous, plus I like the idea of his last words to her being “I don’t believe you,” echoing Tywin. Dany: - Instead of the bells ringing and Dany immediately going crazy, have Cersei refuse to surrender. She is known to have been stubborn and overconfident on a number of occasions, so this feels in line with her character and her refusal to surrender should be her downfall. - Cersei has hostages in the Red Keep and thinks that Dany would never harm innocent people by burning them to kill her, which she will be later be proven wrong about. - The Bells do not ring, but in a moment of desperation Dany decides to burn the Red Keep to kill Cersei. Instead of having her kill everyone and explain it by saying she went crazy, it would feel natural because she would be deciding that the lives of innocents are less important to her than the throne. In other words, this would be the moment where her desire for power trumps her idealism. - Arya dies when Dany burns the building down so Jon’s motivations are more personal and make the stakes feel real. The Hound: - This one is simple: he dies protecting Arya, the one person who ever cared for him. - Instead of Cleganebowl being a meaningless brawl between two strong people, it would be a natural end to the character. This rewrite isn’t perfect, but I think it suits the characters and the tone of the show more. Actions have consequences, stakes are personal and clearly defined, etc.

@TAMThomasTAM

4 жыл бұрын

I think the Hound/Arya bit there could also set up and subvert expectations. The Hound gives up trying to kill the mountain when he sees the destruction around them, he realises it's meaningless and he actually cares for Arya, so he saves her. He gives the speech about vengeance not being what's good and that he thought he was too far gone but he's not, he can turn around and leave, he can live a simple life, and she's young and innocent so she can too, he states that she's seen bad things but not too bad (not knowing about all the mass murder and wearing faces and doing horrible things recently), but before she can tell him that she's done bad things he saves her life and dies for it. The expectation now is that she will learn from this, but she doesn't because vengeance has consumed her and she's done so much worse and it's all pretty much worked out for her. So she goes ahead to kill the Mountain and Cersi anyways, even have her kill the Mountain but immediately have rocks collapse on them both (both Arya and the now dead Mountain), showing that it was meaningless to kill them when he would have been killed anyway. Arya can survive for a bit, very wounded and all, but eventually properly die in a place that Jon will find her later.

@UltimateKyuubiFox

4 жыл бұрын

DereHeIz I like every change you propose except the ones for Jaime. I think leaving Brienne alive is perfectly good. What I’d do is have his plan be to go to Cersei intent on killing her, only to have him unable to in the last moment. It feels tragic, but true to the character-he’s a better man than he once was but in the end he still feels as vulnerable to her power as ever. It’s the same end result, but far more believable and actually even more tragic. I don’t believe that Jaime would backslide how he did. But if he thinks he can go in and kill his sister but when the moment arrives he can’t make himself? I buy that.

@dtpiers6136

4 жыл бұрын

In regards to Jaime: I feel like him dying in Winterfell would be way more effective than him dying in King's Landing (especially without seeing Cersei). Could you imagine if HE was the one to charge the Night King, not Theon? He redeems himself by defending Bran (the first Lannister to die defending a Stark) and maybe he gets to die in Brienne's arms or something. Would've elevated an already incredible scene.

@wisdommanari6701

4 жыл бұрын

Sansa cared for the hound

@SadfaicMusic

4 жыл бұрын

theDTYP agree, Jaime dying trying to save bran’s life would have been a perfect character arc.

Season 2 ep 9 Davos: I've never known bells to mean surrender.

@ARCtrooperblueleader

4 жыл бұрын

@Wisdom Manari' - It's grand. xD

Nothing is more powerful than a good story! What an end to the video, loved it

The one change I would've made if I was involved would be for Danerys to see Misandeis head on a spike at the moment she snaps. It's not perfect but it would make it at least a little more believable

@ARCtrooperblueleader

4 жыл бұрын

@Vorname Nachname - I would have preferred that idea.

@IshtarNike

4 жыл бұрын

Another incredibly obvious and simple change....And yet our *brilliant* show runners couldn't think of it with years of planning. Amazing!

You know why the final season was made this way. Benioff and Weiss wanted to quickly move on to Netflix and Star Wars projects. Think about it, (as an example)if you were paid $15 an hour to be a department manager, and other companies offered you $20 or even $25 an hour to also be a department manager, you would be quick to join their company. Benioff and Weiss sacrificed artistry for money, plain and simple.

@Knight121198

4 жыл бұрын

True facts, you can see it in all 6 episodes of the last season, hell even in the 7th.

@StayFractalesque

3 жыл бұрын

maybe.. I almost put more blame on george martin for not finishing the damn source material.. I know he consulted on the show but from interviews I've seen, I don't think he gave the show runners a complete picture because I don't even think he knows how to end it.. for example, isn't the night king not even in the books?

@Jenacide

3 жыл бұрын

@@StayFractalesque It takes time to write such a massive story with so many characters and so many complex intertwining plots and there was plenty of awareness when the show started that he wasn't done yet and they might run out of material. Maybe the show should have hired writers who actually knew how to write and could finish it up on their own.

@kylereric9711

2 жыл бұрын

you probably dont give a shit but if you guys are bored like me during the covid times then you can watch pretty much all the latest series on InstaFlixxer. I've been binge watching with my gf during the lockdown =)

@alijahoscar5741

2 жыл бұрын

@Kyler Eric Definitely, been watching on InstaFlixxer for since december myself :D

By this point in the show I wasn't really excited for the episodes. I would wake up in the morning and be like "a new GOT episode is out, guess I should watch it". And while watching this episode I was thinking how it just didn't work and fell apart. I wasn't angry I just thought it wasn't good and didn't care enough to be mad, it just fell apart. And the funny thing is at one point while watching the episode I realized that it could work, I could see how this would be the penultimate battle for all of GOT, how the night king and army of the dead wouldn't be the end but this would. It clicked in my head and (although i haven't read the books) I feel like this is kinda how GRRM told them it was going to end. But of course the show didnt make it work. By simply shifting focus in three episodes from the army of the dead to this rushed the characters and plot so much it was jaaring to watch. I feel like if D&D didn't get told the ending they would have simply made the night king the main focus of the season; and although it may have been simple and not as good as what GRRM had intended it would work better being simple like that than rushing all of this.

@ARCtrooperblueleader

4 жыл бұрын

@Ben Marshall - Agreed.

@ARCtrooperblueleader

4 жыл бұрын

@Ben Marshall - I believe if they didn't know the ending, everyone would have died. The Night King would win as they stated they wanted to see a series where the villain wins it all.

I don't think people take issue with The Bells specifically. It's just that Daenerys's decision to burninate the peasants was way out of left field. You needed to go into it thinking there was a 50/50 chance she was just going to go insane. Otherwise, you end up with that plot point ruining everything, like it did.

@christopherrobin7984

4 жыл бұрын

TROGDOOOOR

@midevil1980

4 жыл бұрын

@@christopherrobin7984 - Hodoorrr!

@princestarfy4098

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t call Dany’s snap out of left field. Dany has always been an emotional reactive tyrant. She freed slaves yes, but she just left them to reform a society themselves, fought her advisers at every turn. Then when she returned she murderers the masters in horrific painful ways, crucifying them, feeding them to her dragons. She learned that Snow is the rightful king and is scared that people who deny her claim to the throne because that’s all she wants. Tyrion begs her to try to work with Seresi and everytime she never budges, she never even tries to compromise. Dany has always been a reactive tyrant.

What’s so infuriating about the final season of game of thrones isn’t that they made bad decisions about where to take the story (except for maybe the Bran stuff, that was kind of dumb). I personally really love most of the ideas and themes they’re playing with. It’s just that the writers made absolutely no commitment to telling that story. The entire season is incredibly, pointlessly rushed, killing any good idea by robbing it of the time to explore it. Dany going insane is a fantastic way to end this show - Dany going insane over the course of (generously) one episode? Absolutely shocking way to tell that story. There is no reason why the final season of Game of Thrones had to be disappointing - but it sure feels like the writers were just bored.

@Torgo1969

4 жыл бұрын

Dany was always insane, she just hid it well. But the mask slipped a few times in the early seasons and people seem to forget that. But I didn't. Her burning of Kings Landing didn't surprise me one bit.

@maxpayne69.

4 жыл бұрын

@@Torgo1969 hi! Could you give some examples of those scenes?

@Torgo1969

4 жыл бұрын

@@maxpayne69. The most infamous one was at the gates of Qarth when the spice merchant was skeptical of her claims, and she blew a gasket and vowed to burn cities to the ground. Another instance comes a lot later in the series when Tyrion tries to educate her on the value of "taking the enemy's side" in order to perhaps anticipate the enemy's action, and by anticipating these actions, taking steps to defeat the enemy. She again becomes angry at being asked to see things from another's point of view.

@maxpayne69.

4 жыл бұрын

@@Torgo1969 oh, I remember those scenes now & you're absolutely right! Thanks mate!

What i loved about the episode was how the northmen turned to plundering, raping and murdering after storming the city. Throughout the show the northmen have mostly been defending themselves, the starks and their home, therefore fighting a just war. Meanehile the lannisters were evil, tywins army sacking the city marked the end of roberts rebellion and is something which most people hold against them. Switching that roles in this episode really showed me how much the story was dependent not only on perspective but also on the simple truth of human nature- no matter how good someone seems, if you give them the possibility they will fall into their base instincts.

My rewrite for the episode is basically instead of landing atop the Wall she lands in the center of the city to accept the Lannister's surrender, the plan being for Cersei to see she has no army left and therefore must surrender. But suddenly several wagons roll out from hiding and are uncovered to reveal more scorpions. They take aim at Drogon, and many hidden troops emerge from around the city and begin attacking Dany's armies and pushing them back. Drogon takes several hits, Dany lifts off, Jon and Greyworm and Davos are left stranded, surrounded by enemies, attempting to retreat. Dany realizes they're carrying out guerilla warfare within the city itself, and decides she has to smoke them all out... literally. Meanwhile in the Red Keep... Jamie is by Cersei's side, watching this happen, trying to convince her to surrender, that the battle is lost. She says as long as she breathes the battle will never be finished, and that their father always taught them to be smarter than their enemies and have a backup plan. This is intercut with Dany in the square. The battle recommences, and Jamie is surprised and Cersei is quite smug. (At this moment Sandor and Arya are climbing the stairs of the keep to assassinate Cersei). Then Dany starts burning the city. Jamie once again urges them to flee, and even Qyburn is uneasy now and agrees with Jamie. Cersei.......... begrudgingly accepts. But as they turn to flee, there blocking their exit is No One and the Hound. The Queensguard rush them, but Sandor cuts through them with steely eyed determination, as Arya flanks around to get at Cersei. She finds her path blocked by a monster the size of a Mountain. She tries to sneak past, but he swats her aside like a leaf in the wind. Sandor, finishing off the last Queensgaurd, rushes to take a defensive stance in between his daughter and his brother. Cleganebowl begins. Arya struggles to her feet, and seeing Cersei and Jamie fleeing, cuts them off from the door. Jamie draws his sword, saying he doesn't wish to harm her and reminds her how they just fought on the same side just weeks ago. Arya simply replies "I'm not here for you, I'm here for her. But you're going to stand in my way, then I'm going to kill you too." Jamie engages her. She quickly wounds him several times darting in and out and around, moving too quickly for him to land a blow, but he manages to maneuver her back and allow Cersei and Qyburn to escape. Arya is driving hard, trying to push past him to the door, when she hears Sandor cry out across the room. She turns and sees the Mountain lifting Sandor against the wall, literally crushing his skull. In that split second she must decide between vengeance against Cersei or saving Sandor's life. She already left him for dead once...she won't do it again. She turns from Jamie and attacks the Mountain, leaping onto his back and driving the Valryian steel Dagger through the back of his head. He drops Sandor, shakes her off, reaches back snd pulls it right out. Meanwhile Jamie hobbles down the steps, injured from his duel with the Stark girl. He finds Cersei and Qyburn in the map room, where she is ordering him to set off all the wildfire stashes around the city, in the hopes of wiping out the Stark/Targaryen forces. He becomes chilled as he remembers the Mad King Aerys II's final command to his pyromancers, and realizes with horror and despair what must be done...yet again. He tells Qyburn not to do it, but when he sides with Cersei and tries to leave, Jamie cuts him down. Arya and Sandor wail on what was once Gregor, but it makes no difference. He still comes for them. Sandor sees a fire lit across the room... He motions to Arya and together they lure him back across the room. Arya makes a strike at Gregor, distracting him, as Sandor leans back and brings his sword down on his brother's leg, buckling it and bringing Gregor down. Sandor grabs his head, staring into his horrifying eyes, snd says "Your turn", shoving Gregor's face into the flames. He struggles and convulses, twisting free of his grip. Gregor pushes to his feet, his head aflame, stares at Sandor, and collapses. Arya and Sandor let out deep breathes, and he says "That was a long time coming." Jamie and Cersei have their final moments where he tells her what a monster she becomes but that he still loves her despite it all. She says she did what was required to survive and keep their family alive, and Jamie responds "and yet here we are, all our children dead and the city burning beneath a dragon." He holds her for an eternity when it is done. Arya and Sandor find him there, holding the Queen dead in his arms. He looks up at them, tearing streaming down his face. "Ring the bell. End this madness." Arya runs back up the steps to the bell tower, where she can see that much of the city is burning. Desperately, she tolls the bell, pulling down hard and ringing it for as long as she can. When Daenerys hears this, she remembers what Tyrion once told her, "The bells only ring for weddings, invasion, or the death of the King." She stops her attack, and looks out upon the destruction she has wrought. So yeah that got kinda long😂

@dylansaccount20

4 жыл бұрын

TheGalacticCrafter i Don’t really like how the Hound killed 6 queenguards so easily in your rewrite but otherwise it is quite good

@EmmaLPeel

4 жыл бұрын

Good stuff. Fan rewrites have been amazing.

@HuntingViolets

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not really into Jaime dying with Cersei just because they believed that back when they were both delusional about how romantic their toxic relationship was.

@hootsifer-darling

4 жыл бұрын

@@dylansaccount20 I think she was down to like 4 at that point (I'm not even sure she had any other than Clegane tbh) but the last great Kingsguardsman was Selmy, Aerys' crew were legendary and the ones that followed were a bunch of irrellevents 🤷 personally I think a determined Sandor could cut through as many as 6 but it might be a bit much

What would’ve been better and more consistent to the characters if Dany has the choice to not destroy the keep because Cersei surrendered but Dany has always gone to hard on tyrants so instead of giving her a trial she burns the keep but Cersei being clever and petty as she is rigged it with wild fire and burns down the city. Danys decision directly led to the death of the innocents she meant to liberate. This leads to Dany cracking more. She now accepts the idea that killing tyrants is more important than protecting the innocents and leads to her more radical plans for the world. I’d like to credit my brother for spawning this idea which I think is much better. It’s more just to both characters.

Your two-part video is a perfect explanation of why it had very good ideas and filmmaking and why it did not work. Thank you, awesome job.

It blows me away that anyone can still defend this season after episode 2.

10:25 Not even the show runners believed in it. That's why they added the heavy handed voice over rehash of the Targaryens are mad stuff in the next episode. It's an ex post facto rationalisation for something that makes no sense.

Omg I love this video This is what should critics do Criticising and also praising

It became a passionless exercise. The cinematography was great in 'The Bells' but by then I simply didn't care. Believability and immersion had dissolved due to inept story telling and plot cul-de-sacs. The show became a victim of its own wayward momentum.

I hope this is the last we have to hear of Game of Thrones. The last two seasons killed it for me and I was glad to see it end.

I really admire your attempt to give some coherence to this hot mess

This video is heavily underrated

Brilliant analysis-it gave reasons to why the last season felt so unfulfilling.

You should do a video on what made the other battles of game of thrones so good, such as the battle of the blackwater

@Derek_Keenan

4 жыл бұрын

Did you watch Part 1?

@alexshellnot4407

4 жыл бұрын

@@Derek_Keenan yes, and I know he went into it a bit there. However, there is alot more to the battle and I would like to see a stand alone video on it

@Derek_Keenan

4 жыл бұрын

Personally my favorite is the Battle of the Bastards. It’s so goddamn crazy when the horses are just smashing into each other, and the chaos and confusion seems so realistic.

The best video I have seen on this topic, well done!

First: Great video! I really love your way of narrating and visualizing you arguments. This is my take on Game of Thrones: I stopped understanding and feeling with the characters a couple of seasons ago because I just dont remember everything they said and have done because there are just to many episodes with to many characters stuffed into them. There are some exceptions to this (john and tyrion). The only reason I kept watching was that I wanted to know what happened to john and tyrion and to see how all the big, different storylines come together. That is exactly what the last season did and I am fine with it. All the way through the 8th season I was entertained and excited how it would come to an end. The changes described in the comments and the video would have certainly made it better but I am not even sure if I would have noticed. TBH I dont get how people can get so crazy about this stuff when there are tv shows out there which are far better with greater and more relatable characters. Maybe I am just watching to much TV shows... Please keep up the great work Jonathan. I wish you would release more videos (but quality comes first! :>). I really look forward to watching all of them. I will consider supporting you on patreon.

Here's a simple change which would fix alot of stupidity in Season 8. They show how almost everyone died at Winterfel... great, let's keep it that way. We learn that all of the Dothraki died, alongside most of the unsullied. This then means Dany is unable to take King's Landing and her army (really it's Sansa's army mostly) is being pushed back from the city. Missandei dies in the crypts at Winterfel which makes Graywarm angry and sloppy and he dies during the King's Landing battle in which point Dany then decides to burn the Red Keep to ensure victory killing the 100 000 - 200 000 innocent people there and turning her remaining allies against her. No need to burn the entire city down to make her a villain.

Jon: Sansa, you mustn't tell anyone Sansa next scene: Here's. The motherfucking. Tea.

Great ending to your video and so true - they didn’t tell a good story (a coherent story is a good story). Thank you!

"This episode did not stir its audience in the way the showrunners intended." I'm not sure they even cared by this point.

I think everyone can agree that Season 8 in general was a Missed Opportunity!

Great ending!! That's the point right there.

I wouldn’t call Dany’s snap out of left field. Dany has always been an emotional reactive tyrant. She freed slaves yes, but she just left them to reform a society themselves, fought her advisers at every turn. Then when she returned she murderers the masters in horrific painful ways, crucifying them, feeding them to her dragons. She learned that Snow is the rightful king and is scared that people who deny her claim to the throne because that’s all she wants. Tyrion begs her to try to work with Seresi and everytime she never budges, she never even tries to compromise. Dany has always been a reactive tyrant.

By far the greatest disappointment for me was Cleganebowl, in the sense that it existed at all. As you say, it was purely pandering to hype and fan service when (at least IMO) a far better ending would be Sandor realising the person he has become. In a part of the city surrounded by fire he sees his brother and importantly his brother's face. Sees that he is, in fact dead. That the brother who turned him into the Hound is no longer the thing that stands before him. He then realises then that the Hound is dead. Then he sees Arya trying to save the mother and daughter and the man who as the Hound spent his life bent on revenge and choosing not to help people, turns away from his chance at revenge in order to help not only the girl who started his journey to being the man he is now, but two complete strangers. He knows he no longer needs revenge because both the object of his revenge, and the part of him that wanted it are dead. Sandor then travels with Arya because not all redemption archs need to end in a character death, especially because it is apparent that his alter ego IS dead. He is now the man he never had a chance to be, but one that was always hinted at. He accepts the role of being Arya's father figure and in their journeys they can both be allowed to heal, have some semblance of a normal life, while using the skills they learned for revenge to help others when needed as Sandor teaches Arya what he learned from his time with both Ray and the Brotherhood Without Banners.

In the end, at that small council meeting, Brienne had to excuse herself for feeling sick. It was “morning sickness”... that’s right, she was pregnant with Jamie’s baby! Meanwhile, Drogon had taken Dani’s body and flew faster than anything has ever moved... flying east, and eventually ending up back in Volantis/Meereen laying her body at the feet of the “red witch” that Tyrion recruited to help bring her to power there... Daenerys Targaryen Lives... and she’s really pissed this time!

Dude. Khaleesi was always nuts. She snapped. She woulda power hungrily fucked up a long time ago if it weren't for her advisors. She crucified people, burned people, all sorts of shit.

Apparently Circe was supposed to lose her child which would have explained her sadness. They cut this scene though, leaving...nothing

what music is he using at 1:30?

I can see what they wanted to achieve with the ending (- the circle can’t be broken: (dragon), stag, lion, dragon, wolf) and I think it was the right thing to attempt, but how they got there seemed a bit contrived, not an organic ending from where the characters stood.

S3 Dany "The blood of my enemies, not the blood of innocents." S8 Dany _D A G O N H I T L E R_

Would have required also changing the last episode but...... Daenerys and crew get Kings Landing to surrender because she still has TWO dragons....then just as they are marching in on the Red Keep. BOOM Cersei and Euron Greyjoy spring a trap and kill the dragon Euron killed in Episode 4, a much better reason for Daenerys to go insane and Lannister and Golden Company forces attack in ambush. ANd then as it's all breaking down into fire and blood. We get Cleganebowl but it means something more because Arya makes an attempt on Cersei but the Mountain stops her and Arya is killed by the Mountain or I dunno, thrown out a window by him while the Mountain charges the Hound. MEANWHILE Cersei escapes thanks to Jaime but as they are escaping, Euron Greyjoy shows up, enraged he lost everything because of those two so he runs Cersei through the belly killing her baby and says to Jaime, now I've taken the only thing you cared about and then those two fight each other to the death and as Jaime and Cersei die together in each others arms, some quip about entering and leaving this world together. Season 7 had major major flaws....but compared to the nonsense of season 8? rather benign.

I think they told us Dani’s motivation in episode 6. She told John that Cersei used their innocence again her. Here’s the kicker....she used their innocence against me...she thought it would cripple me. I think Dani burned the city (and not Cersei) so Cersei would have to watch the death of the city and know she did not in any way cripple Dani. That was her revenge on Cersei..

@TheSuperNats

4 жыл бұрын

It’s just that once the bell rang Dany won. There was no more motivation for her to prove her lack of innocence her documented love for the downtrodden should’ve been enough to not randomly burn babies to prove something to someone she just beat.

I don't think a single character, or character beat, works after s8e2 - which makes all the impressive visual effects, all the beautiful probs and costumes, all the touching music - absolutely pointless. Every single scene in s8e5 falls flat for me -and it's all because of the mishandled characters and arcs. Cersei - is pure evil, a moustache twirler. Certainly don't care. Arya - Is an insane and cocky little brat. Sandor - Is a boring, vengeful, weird person. Jon - Is passive the whole season and dumb as a brick. Jaime - throws away all his development for no reason. Euron - Lol. Tyrion - Hasn't done anything clever for 4 seasons. Daenerys - Oh well, she has never been a good character in the first place. Though Clarke has turned her acting from laughably bad, to semi-acceptable. Bran - Lol. Varys - Also haven't done anything clever for 4 seasons. The same goes for every-single-other-character. It is mind blowing to me that I could go from liking, pretty much every character on the show by the end of s4, to this.

@martinolsen660

4 жыл бұрын

Btw I love you Films&Stuff. You always make fantastic content.

@martinolsen660

4 жыл бұрын

@Ali Chaudhry It's cool that you feel that way. Though I am kind of mindblown, that anyone would list Dany as one of the show greats and not Tywin.

@martinolsen660

4 жыл бұрын

@Ali Chaudhry That's an interesting question... I think it's hard to say definitively, as some stories are good for a longer time than others. Most characters are pretty much ruined for me at the start of season 5, but some characters hold out a bit longer. Jons story is good up to and including Hardhome - Bran took season5 off, so he tecnically wasn't ruined before season 6 started xP

@martinolsen660

4 жыл бұрын

@Ali Chaudhry I couldn't agree more.

that last season was so bad, the last few seasons weren't the best, but they still had moments and made sense at times, and felt like they were still trying to some degree, but this season was just fan service without substance, it felt like it was thrown out there just to get it out of the way and over with

I'll never forgive D&D for what they did to all of our favorite characters. 8 seasons of character arcs and development was completely thrown out and the characters just did and said whatever D&D needed.

I don't buy the pain that has led him to this moment, I don't buy the personality that has taken over him; I simply to buy it. How I feel about Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi.

@littlelordfuckleroy3822

4 жыл бұрын

I mean... Luke had a grand total of 3 movies of screen time and decades between films where the character would naturally grow into a different person as opposed to 8 seasons of screen time and character development for Dany in which her turn occurs in 1 episode. And Luke’s character change was much less drastic than Dany’s who goes from a generous person fighting for the underprivileged to a genocidal maniac. So yeah, there really is no comparison to be honest.

10:33 then you haven't played Total War games. Sometimes the "exterminate populace" is the right choice. Can't have a Legion bogged down pacifing a remote settlement after taking major losses.

Bat Of Kings Landing.

You didn’t buy it, I didn’t buy it, hell, Nobody bought it! Thats why folks are pissed as hell! The show runners gave us nothing to buy! They threw away the story and did us all a grave disservice!

I would hate to jump on the popular opinion, but I can't really say there is anything I loved about this episode or the previous two. The music maybe, but everything else is, well, I just didn't care.

That's the point: they stopped telling a good story and only spectacle matters.

It'd be like if Walter White shot his wife toward the end of the last season of Breaking Bad, and the writer's excuse was "Well it's clear by now that Walt was doing all this crime stuff for himself, not his family. So he's a bad man"

Can you do Rome

either half of your videos are missing or you have broken playlists... please fix this....very good videos otherwise

1:37 I don't care how well you correct it... declaring this your favorite episode of the final season got an instant dislike. Edit: I take back my first sentence. The idea that is this episode's core premise, the ringing of the bells signaling surrender, is NOT a good thing. This show has established, in at least one episode and by at least two different characters, that the bells mean literally the exact opposite. The entire premise of this episode is bullshit.

@uncannybeagle7512

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking this whole video. The bells only mean some form of detriment to King's Landing. The bells ring for the death of somebody important, or the city being under siege. Whoever wrote this video didn't pay attention to the series, and thus discredits themselves when defending this episode.

@Richard_Nickerson

4 жыл бұрын

@@uncannybeagle7512 As if defending this episode in and of itself doesn't discredit anyone haha

@gloriaregali9090

4 жыл бұрын

Let me guess. Daenerys fan?

@Richard_Nickerson

4 жыл бұрын

@@gloriaregali9090 No, I'm a fan of the story. She was a central part of the story, and her part of it got fucked over big time. But that's not even my biggest problem with this episode specifically (as specified by the Edit part of the OP)... it's not even my second biggest problem with this episode, actually. I'm glad my original comment here was completely misinterpreted...

You misspelled "opportunities" at the end...

Make Davos the POV instead of Arya, it's the city where he grew up. And kill him off.

Daenerys is the prince who was promised - the savior - Second coming of Azor Ahai (Second Coming of Jesus Christ analogy) This episode is Last Judgement It wasn't Daenerys who burn the people, it was Lord of Light himself. That's why they didn't show her during the burning. Lord of Light punished people for their sins and for that they worshiped false gods (basically, Last Judgement). Listen Kinvara in the season 6 for more details. Bells are important symbolism becouse they actually don't mean surrender but false religion. Also bells are in the Stallion who mounts the world prophecy. Entire episode 6 is a dream - fake ending. True ending - episode 7 and it will probably be released at Christmas

@OHCAM5

4 жыл бұрын

-_-

@debasegrog5153

4 жыл бұрын

Wtf dude

@Lovelee123

4 жыл бұрын

if only

VERY FAIR JOB. KEEP DOIN YOUR THING.

My best friend got upset at me because I made him a peanut butter sandwich, knowing full-well he has a serious peanut allergy. I explained that I was just subverting his expectations.

No these shots of aria doging stuff did not immerse us ... she should be dead like 10 times and that was not immersive that was taking us out of the immersion due to massive plot armor. Also many of the points you are making are just an opinion of yours and rarely backed up by facts. You talk about how the stuff makes one feel etc. but in reallity you are only telling us how it makes you feel and not everyone else.

@HuntingViolets

4 жыл бұрын

And she dragged that mother and daughter out to their deaths. They have as much chance staying alive in a building as on the street trying to outrun a dragon. It's dumb luck who lives or dies at that point.

The fact that you pronounce Daenerys incorrectly, and the number of times you say her name, is maddening.

@gloriaregali9090

4 жыл бұрын

Uwu, the most precious name in the series was pronounced wrong ;( Nothing matters anymore.

@Richard_Nickerson

4 жыл бұрын

@@gloriaregali9090 What does "uwu" mean?

@HuntingViolets

4 жыл бұрын

George R. R. Martin said the names can be pronounced however you choose.

This one was horrible she became the mad queen and by doing it she sealed her faith they should have done a was let them be after bell was run

Arya killed all of House Frey by herself, baked them into pies and fed them to old Frey. "Rejecting violence" is not a meaningful choice to make here. Was bored to death by this episode, as everything in season 8; as in every bad story, one thing doesn't come out of another, it merely comes after it. You're giving this all far, far too much credit.

Im sorry mate! I appreciate the hard work you put into making these 2 part analysis videos. Good job! But... all the points you make trying to justify all the bad decisions the creators of the show made, just doesn't work...

@Prophecy6

4 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more with you. This episode is so poorly written

This was your FAVORITE episode? Damn I was really liking your channel, but I guess I can't trust your judgement.

“Cersei, one of the more kiniving villains in the series...” Dude, she is evil in the flesh. She’s the main villain of the entire series!

The big gay

Yeah, this whole season sucked... the writers got lazy. The fans aren't stupid. Let's not convolute it. Nothing made any bit of sense. Just stop trying to rationalize it

No one should be surprised by what Dany did. She threatened to burn cities to the ground when she had her words with the (very logical and reasonable) spice merchant outside the gates of Qarth. Jorah tried to talk sense to her, but she ignored him. Sometimes it seems like I am the only one that has any memory at all of what Dany has ALWAYS been like! As the spice merchant tells her, "she is a true Targaryen" and I for one am not a fan of the mentally ill like Dany clearly is. Her and so many of her family, cyka blyat.

1:23 I laugh every time I see that. One of the many symbols of how shit GoT actually is and how dangerous hype drifting can be to manipulating the consumer masses. The whole series looked cheap and unconvincing to me. Not to mention I think it copies shit from other fantasies and does it blatantly and poorly. The stuff is unrealistic and pretty inadequate. And don't gimmie that shit that it has dragons so it cannot be realistic because I will smite you. Other fantasies have dragons, but the armor in those worlds work. The shields look like actual shields and you can't tell that the swords are made of rubber. Armies do not blindly charge one another, clashing in a storm of fuckery and helmets are a thing as well. And there aren't elements "borrowed" from other fantasies. Weapons work realistically etc. A sword is still a sword. It doesn't matter what kind of dragons there are in your fucking world. If there is a sword in it, it should be a fucking sword. If you put armor in your universe, it should be armor. Even the dragons aren't too convincing if you ask me. Too small. Plus riding them... wtf. Try riding Ancalagon The Black, see how that works... Jesus... infantiles with cameras and budgets. 3:50 like here, you can clearly tell. Also, this is the 200000th time that this mofo should be dead. He is stabbing from this position, from the side, with this grip. What the fuck... That guy with the sword was charging, holding that spear like that means you're dead. Only reason you're not is because plot armor. The guy with the sword can push the spear away, cleave at his forward arm to assist in that, grab the spear to control it, STEP TO THE SIDE AND SWING AT ANYTHING WOULD BE GREAT too... 3:51 what the fuck, they barely touch each other. HIT HIM! If you don't wanna hurt him, DO NOT HIT THE HEAD, BUT HIT HIM! THERE IS NO CONTACT! HOW DO WE KILL WITHOUT CONTACT! SMACK EACH OTHER, YOU PUSSIES! HOW DO YOU EXPECT THIS TO WORK! CUNTS! 4:02 what are you doing? Where are your spears, polearms?! Shields?! At least get out of the way! And raise a fucking guard or something, jesus. 4:38 sure, gruesome. More like shat in there in order to distract from deficiencies. Bread and spectacles, man. Also, imagine being monetized in 2020. 4:54 pff, feeble and barely seen. If he wanted to resist, he woulda hit the bald black guy with the thickest plot armor ever. 4:58 you mean by attempting to parry a random attack? Yeah, gotta bring out the primal in you to survive that... 5:10 so the mofo brought in this barely legal kid into a supposedly brutal battlefield only to ask her to leave just one step from her goal. Why does this make no sense to me? 6:26 hah, no. It's designed to bring in your money. It's not a battle, it slaughter because of dragon and incompetent opposing force. It's designed to cause a stir an promote hype drifting which they can cash in on. Yeah, the 1-on-1 fights in GoT are legit the shittiest ones on camera since movies exist. Charlie Chaplain would have made them better. Then again, he would have made the whole thing better... 7:44 Huh, my question is why this exists when ppl go hungry... 8:05 tits haven't been shown in a long while, that's why. 9:25 yeah, most ppl wouldn't think about a movie having 20+ characters and because the writers don't know what to do with them, they just kill them off all the time. Most ppl expect an actual good movie. These same people however, were manipulated into thinking otherwise. 9:35 haha, what? It has quite a lot to do with that. You can always come up with an excuse about why you did some shit... I don't think you need a to make a shitty movie about that. 9:41 how much did this girl earn off of this whole thing again? 9:53 what? Her all? No... just no. I do not find this convincing. 10:33 I don't buy shit either. 12:42 now that's overpraise. The biggest projects in cinema have cast thousands and even tens of thousands of real people in armies and those were not even set in a fantasy world. This ain't got shit. Production cost is hardly the best way to judge things.

"Phenomenal performer".. praising TLJ for its screenplay.. well, this must be a new generation talking.

@madelynmorgan2999

4 жыл бұрын

to be fair, i think emilia clarke is a good actress but i think the problem is that the writers/directors weren't really focused on her inner personality throughout the entire show. imo we don't really see the playful, hot tempered teenager who is in part really a little girl who wants a stable home like we do in the books. it feels like they were directing her to be as unreadable as possible, sort of a distant, righteous, commanding queen. besides maybe the first season, i think when they gave her something to go on, like when she had that playful aspect when threatening the yunkai'i slavers or in this episode, as nonsensical as it is, she actually does really well. but maybe im just being a simp lmao . and yeah i agree, hard sell on the TLJ thing....................

The Last Jedi was just as bad if not worse than the GoT finale. It too threw away lore, history, object placement, character arcs, military tactics, and universal rules out the window for its lazy contrived plot hole ridden ‘story’

@benmarshall5023

4 жыл бұрын

He doesn't even mention TLJ in this video. I think you need to realize that someone's opinion of a movie isnt a personal attack on you. If your that upset he was postive about it, that you had to copy and paste your comment from the first video to this one then you seem to not understand that. I wouldnt be surprised if as soon as he mentioned TLJ that you just stopped the video to disregard everything he is saying, just because you disagree with that part. Probably didn't even think 'i wonder why he thinks this, lets hear his view' but decided to comment this in both video's. It just make you seem incapable of someone not sharing the exact same opinion as you.

@VulturePilot

4 жыл бұрын

Ben Marshall Ben Marshall This was honestly absolutely hilarious to read, thank you so much. It’s extremely ironic that you are making so many ridiculous assumptions about me to the point of straw-manning when that is exactly what you’re accusing ME of doing. Even though I never talked about anyone else’s opinions in my comment. Seriously full on belly laughing about how you’re claiming all these things about me when you’re the one that’s flying off the handle about my comments and assuming all these things about me being some close minded person when you’re the one that’s acting like you already know how I am as a person. Since you have missed my point I’ll reiterate. These videos are about the same thing, season 8, therefore I watched and commented on both because they are both intrinsically linked to Star Wars seeing as the GoT show runners are are going to helm a few of the new ones. Like it or not, new Star Wars (not just TLJ) makes a lot of the same errors that GoT S8 makes which is why I commented that. Kathleen Kennedy hired RJ and D&D for new Star Wars, and I was simply pointing out that both RJ’s and D&D’s work are similar. The link already existed, regardless of my comments. That’s literally all I was doing, I never bashed anyone’s opinion nor did I make random claims about the video maker because I ‘disagreed’ as you say. But thanks for the laugh that was great.

@Armadio21

4 жыл бұрын

Wrong on every count

@benmarshall5023

4 жыл бұрын

@@VulturePilot Why would it not look like your angry he said something positive about TLJ; not because of the comment itself but the fact you posted the same comment here when he didn't even mention star wars in this video. All that does is make it seem like you stopped the first video at that point and didnt even watch this video. Can you not see how that would make it look like you cannot handle the video having a different opinion to you? Also i dont know how i was straw-maning you (or accusing you of straw-maning) there, if you felt like that then i must of poorly said what i wanted to say. I see people get in arguments on the internet and say stuff like "its obvious you..." or "clearly you..." ect. and its usually unearned straw-maning; thats why i didnt want to say that so i said 'i wouldn't be surprised' and 'it makes you seem' trying to make sure im not making bullshit claims. But what you commente just made it seem that way to me especially since people do act like that on the internet. What you said your point actually was doesnt get across is the first comment. Like i said it seemed like you are angry he said something positive about TLJ and just listed reason why you think its bad. I didn't get any indication of you saying anything like it being similar to season 8 (which i disagree with but wouldn't have replied like that if you did say that) but instead came across as your wrong TLJ bad.

Christ, another one? I love your stuff man but I'm so completely over the complaining about GoT. It's getting to be as bad as TLJ circlejerking. We fucking get it, move on.

FFS, your diction and sibilants! >_ Pop-filter and de-essing!!!!