The real Jon Snow

Jon Snow is not who you think he is.
Who is the real Jon Snow in the ASOIAF books, compared to the Game of Thrones TV show?
How will Jon’s story end in The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring?
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  • @AltShiftX
    @AltShiftXАй бұрын

    Here's a livestream with more about Jon Snow! kzread.info/dash/bejne/ooBs1ZVwhrHHd9o.html This video was made possible by supporters on Patreon: www.patreon.com/AltShiftX Thanks for watching!

  • @pwdgkr

    @pwdgkr

    Ай бұрын

    Need the Dune part two video fr

  • @tomasgetze4330

    @tomasgetze4330

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks for uploading it finally

  • @Kapteinpus

    @Kapteinpus

    Ай бұрын

    Yay! I really enjoyed this one. Setting my alarm clock to 01:00 am. I'll have my coffee ready to stay awake.

  • @user-tc9vn3ov2u

    @user-tc9vn3ov2u

    Ай бұрын

    Have you seen Dune part 2 yet?

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430

    @danielsantiagourtado3430

    Ай бұрын

    Love your content 😊😊😊

  • @PhantomHalf
    @PhantomHalfАй бұрын

    “The show removes the magic from Jons story” That is true in more ways than one.

  • @thing_under_the_stairs

    @thing_under_the_stairs

    Ай бұрын

    Well, Dumb and Dumber weren't exactly fans of magic, so I really don't know what they were doing adapting this series in the first place.

  • @thnkr-jl7hw

    @thnkr-jl7hw

    Ай бұрын

    Guys we are done bashing the show

  • @thing_under_the_stairs

    @thing_under_the_stairs

    Ай бұрын

    @@thnkr-jl7hw*YOU* might be done bashing the show...

  • @Megamarod

    @Megamarod

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@thnkr-jl7hwwho's we?

  • @VictorIV0310

    @VictorIV0310

    Ай бұрын

    ⁠@@thnkr-jl7hwWe’re done when I say we’re done.

  • @DapperDill
    @DapperDillАй бұрын

    Show Jon: I don't want it! Book Jon: I really want it!

  • @KumarAnshs

    @KumarAnshs

    Ай бұрын

    John Adams: I have it, and I hate it!

  • @stevem2323

    @stevem2323

    Ай бұрын

    Not completely want it, but more it's my duty now.

  • @Arthor32

    @Arthor32

    Ай бұрын

    No, he fuckin WANTS it. Being the Lord of Winterfell is his single greatest desire.@@stevem2323

  • @Morfe02

    @Morfe02

    Ай бұрын

    She IS ma Quin Book Jon: im the King im the song of ice and fire

  • @Aydan2108

    @Aydan2108

    Ай бұрын

    ​@Morfe02 " the king of a song of ice and fire" goofy ahh 💀, do you even know what the ice and fire are in ASOIAF?

  • @Amantducafe
    @AmantducafeАй бұрын

    The only winner here was Kit Harrinton. He got a redhead, 2 children, became rich and popular despite the ending of GoT and he donates to charity just like Emilia Clark. Just a great guy overall.

  • @nurlindafsihotang49

    @nurlindafsihotang49

    Ай бұрын

    And his movie "testament of youth" prove he could do dramatic role. I hate DnD cutting his role in games of thrones.

  • @rajyavardhansingh4491

    @rajyavardhansingh4491

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@nurlindafsihotang49 what?

  • @MontagueCapulet

    @MontagueCapulet

    Ай бұрын

    Shit, I donate to charity. Big whoop.

  • @Amantducafe

    @Amantducafe

    Ай бұрын

    @@nurlindafsihotang49 Adding it to my list

  • @Amantducafe

    @Amantducafe

    Ай бұрын

    @@MontagueCapulet Now all you need is a redhead

  • @nydabeats
    @nydabeatsАй бұрын

    "Arya suffered at Harrenhall, joined a death cult, murdered people and she's still just 11 years old" When you put it like that... its terrifying.

  • @Chadius_Thundercock

    @Chadius_Thundercock

    Ай бұрын

    That’s one of the few things I like about the show more than the books. Each season 1-6 is around a yearish, which seems more realistic than the entire story happening in a couple months

  • @HOTD108_

    @HOTD108_

    29 күн бұрын

    ​@@Chadius_ThundercockIt's so fitting that the show managed to do so much less across much more in-story time.

  • @MegaKnight2012

    @MegaKnight2012

    28 күн бұрын

    It's supposed to be, unlike in the show where her edge-ladyship is glorified

  • @Vmac1394

    @Vmac1394

    27 күн бұрын

    The Ghost of High Heart freaking out when she sees Arya says everything that needs to be said.

  • @fairshareofdrownedsouls

    @fairshareofdrownedsouls

    26 күн бұрын

    @@Chadius_Thundercock The book takes place between 298AC - 300AC. That is more than "a few months."

  • @MrCoffeejingler
    @MrCoffeejinglerАй бұрын

    I half expected this video to be about Arya to subvert my expectation

  • @juanmanuelcota3942

    @juanmanuelcota3942

    Ай бұрын

    who cares, she is not a dragon

  • @benjaminf8526

    @benjaminf8526

    Ай бұрын

    This is a highly underrated joke 😂 Bravo MrCoffeejingler

  • @crinklescat1871

    @crinklescat1871

    Ай бұрын

    😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @14stewartj

    @14stewartj

    Ай бұрын

    😂😂😂😂😂

  • @kg7219

    @kg7219

    Ай бұрын

    @@benjaminf8526underrated ? U mean the same tired complaint people have been making since the last season of the show ??? Like yea it’s a legit criticism but come on people who have no idea what they’re talking abt rly latched onto this “subverting expectation” thing cuz it sorta kinda makes them sound like they kno what they’re talking abt. Same thing happened w Star Wars lol a bunch of people who have never worked in the industry moaning and whining abt things that are legitimate issues but having no clue what actually goes into the whole process. Big Reddit energy coming from ur comment dude

  • @MrBellsa61
    @MrBellsa61Ай бұрын

    At this point Alt Shift X has put more work into ASOIAF than GRRM has in the past 5 years.

  • @HaldirMark

    @HaldirMark

    Ай бұрын

    OHHH MY GOOOOOOD THAT MAN OWES YOU NOTHING. YOUR BITCHING AND COMPLAINING DOES NOT MAKE HIM WRITE AND BETTER OR FASTER.

  • @sp3ct0rsUrg3

    @sp3ct0rsUrg3

    Ай бұрын

    LOL!! Hilarious! 🤣

  • @yanksfan6833

    @yanksfan6833

    Ай бұрын

    😂😂😂😂

  • @houserhouse

    @houserhouse

    Ай бұрын

    A devastating reality 😢

  • @charliecooke6867

    @charliecooke6867

    Ай бұрын

    Try ten years

  • @spudmanii
    @spudmaniiАй бұрын

    Imagine being Kit Harrington. Getting told he gets to play Jon Snow, probably reading the books to understand the character. Learning all the delicate nuances of the character and who he was. How fascinating, and human he was. Then getting told to just say "I don't want it" for five seasons. Imagine how disappointing that must have been. How hard it must have been to keep coming to work

  • @khswag3632

    @khswag3632

    Ай бұрын

    I don't think he really cared. He always backed d and d up saying that everyone who criticize them is a hater. I'm can imagine that he doesn' t give a shit about the books.

  • @spudmanii

    @spudmanii

    Ай бұрын

    @khswag3632 right right, I'm sure he wasn't just gritting his teeth and saying what he had to so he could keep his multi-million dollar paycheck. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it

  • @baiberr

    @baiberr

    Ай бұрын

    I think I feel worse for Pilou Asbæk, the person who played Euron Greyjoy, now that´s a character that got butchered!

  • @vroomzoom4206

    @vroomzoom4206

    Ай бұрын

    Lol nah the guy had no idea what book Jon was like.

  • @sldarwin5615

    @sldarwin5615

    Ай бұрын

    I feel bad for Barristam Selmy’s actor. He read the books, knew them well. And he was told he was gonna get killed off in a fucking stupid way. He wrote a letter to DnD saying they should change it because it doesn’t fucking make sense and it sucks. But that made them want to kill Barristan even more

  • @Richard_Nickerson
    @Richard_NickersonАй бұрын

    Stoneheart can't speak because her throat was viciously, deeply cut. It's not because she's undead, it's because of how she was killed.

  • @Clitjohnson
    @ClitjohnsonАй бұрын

    I don't think any of us can express how thankful we are for the amount of care, hard work, and dedication you put into all of these videos. It feels like a holiday every time I get a notification saying you've uploaded. Truly one of my favorite creators out there. One of the best.

  • @MetalFreak187

    @MetalFreak187

    Ай бұрын

    100%

  • @michaelcarli

    @michaelcarli

    Ай бұрын

    Who are your other favorities, becaise it appears you have good taste

  • @karles7795

    @karles7795

    Ай бұрын

    Hard agree

  • @jeremyscungio16

    @jeremyscungio16

    Ай бұрын

    Better than that alt schwift x guy

  • @Samiii90210

    @Samiii90210

    Ай бұрын

    FR

  • @samuraispartan7000
    @samuraispartan7000Ай бұрын

    The fact that this story could go in a million different directions and still be interesting in every possible scenario is a real testament to how deep and well-written this series is.

  • @dfolz1101

    @dfolz1101

    Ай бұрын

    Be a lot cooler if the writer would bother to finish the series

  • @Morfe02

    @Morfe02

    Ай бұрын

    More like 3 ways for every choice And the TV made the 4 choice the boring one

  • @samuraispartan7000

    @samuraispartan7000

    Ай бұрын

    @@dfolz1101 I don’t envy his position. HBO arguably ruined his seminal work and now he has to spend extra time making sure they don’t make the same mistakes with HotD. It sucks that we have to wait so long for a new book, but I don’t think his time is wasted.

  • @seed869

    @seed869

    Ай бұрын

    ​@samuraispartan7000 8 years ago GRRM said he was months away from finishing winds. Its been 14 years man you can't keep making excuses.

  • @Setixir

    @Setixir

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@samuraispartan7000Nah man he was stuck even before HBO came out. Martin's strength has never really been tying things together anyway.

  • @pain002
    @pain002Ай бұрын

    I knew in book one, straight away that this version of Jon is way more realistic and empathic to me than the show one. Probably because he was way younger. But mostly when he had his outburst with his uncle benjen, shouted too Loud and had tears in his eyes. That’s a really human moment, most modern shows don’t have anymore. People are either perfect, or super stoic and cold as a “flaw”

  • @rogierb5945

    @rogierb5945

    20 күн бұрын

    You should watch modern trek. Plenty o crying,

  • @Zhorrua
    @ZhorruaАй бұрын

    Jon's arc alone is more than worthy of a trilogy. Simply astounding work by George.

  • @LordTomServo
    @LordTomServoАй бұрын

    "Just when I thought I was out, ASX pulls me back in". - Michael Corleone...probably

  • @narxes

    @narxes

    Ай бұрын

    Silvio Dante

  • @cjhtx5301

    @cjhtx5301

    Ай бұрын

    @@narxesyou beat me to it

  • @og_hapsburg7189

    @og_hapsburg7189

    Ай бұрын

    cmon, i been gone a long time. lemme hear it!

  • @BrandonHernandez-tg5ql

    @BrandonHernandez-tg5ql

    Ай бұрын

    ​@narxes it was definitely Michael Corleone in Godfather 3

  • @andresaguilera115

    @andresaguilera115

    Ай бұрын

    He actually said that

  • @ILikedGooglePlus
    @ILikedGooglePlusАй бұрын

    "In the book, Tycho has a big purple hat." Perfiddious Schwift has infiltrated the script

  • @herbertschulz4313

    @herbertschulz4313

    Ай бұрын

    Almost sounds like a glidus line

  • @Nthsey

    @Nthsey

    Ай бұрын

    What a fucking flex. Wonder how many Essosi snails died for the dye required. Straight Byzantine shit.

  • @HOTD108_

    @HOTD108_

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@herbertschulz4313Both Alt Shift and Alt Shwift are just time traveling and skin changing Glidus. The Omni-Glibussy.

  • @merengueatang4

    @merengueatang4

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@HOTD108_But do they share the same body, or is it one soul gliding between different hosts as in the Glid-on theory?

  • @skellymen2395

    @skellymen2395

    Ай бұрын

    That's why they call him Big Hat Tycho

  • @ieatmice751
    @ieatmice75112 күн бұрын

    One thing that always bothered me about the show is that Cersei and Tommen pretty much just completely ignore the fact that the boltons were defeated and the north is declaring independence again

  • @natashakhan8966

    @natashakhan8966

    5 күн бұрын

    In one episode the Boltons were defeated & in the next Tommen died. When was he supposed to react.

  • @EnglishwithBF
    @EnglishwithBF20 күн бұрын

    Book Jon: Bowen Marsh sighed. "If they do not slay us with their swords, they will do so with their mouths. Pray, how does the lord commander propose to feed Tormund and his thousands?" Jon had anticipated that question. "Through Eastwatch. We will bring in food by ship, as much as might be required. From the riverlands and the stormlands and the Vale of Arryn, from Dorne and the Reach, across the narrow sea from the Free Cities." "And this food will be paid for ….. how, if I may ask?" With gold, from the Iron Bank of Braavos, Jon might have replied. Instead he said, "I have agreed that the free folk may keep their furs and pelts. They will need those for warmth when winter comes. All other wealth they must surrender. Gold and silver, amber, gemstones, carvings, anything of value. We will ship it all across the narrow sea to be sold in the Free Cities." Show Jon to Bowen Marsh: I f*d us up, my lord. I borrowed gold… I don’t want it…

  • @georgeealien
    @georgeealienАй бұрын

    19:42 Jon showing Ghost the pommel and going "Look. It's you." is adorable. Even though it's a fantasy story and Ghost is a wolf, they still get the owner/dog dynamic down.

  • @saatvikkalra6061

    @saatvikkalra6061

    Ай бұрын

    ghost might be 6 foot tall human devouring direwolf, but hes still good boi

  • @Ashbrash1998

    @Ashbrash1998

    Ай бұрын

    It's such a meaningless but also meaningful moment. Because it adds to Jon's character and his relationship with Ghost.

  • @RenfromBespin

    @RenfromBespin

    Ай бұрын

    a cool moment, very good writing

  • @lindsay9838

    @lindsay9838

    Ай бұрын

    @@RenfromBespin Very. That is my absolute favorite part about George. Yes, he thinks of these amazing, epic moments that become Emmy-winning episodes but it’s the little things he thinks to add, that place you right inside the scene with your eyes and your heart, that I’m just completely awed by. When other writers would skip to the next scene, he pauses and grounds you.

  • @Samiii90210

    @Samiii90210

    Ай бұрын

    !!

  • @jonescity
    @jonescityАй бұрын

    Jon in the Winds of Winter: "Maybe the real Song of Ice and Fire is all the friends we made along the way"

  • @raisaulolopezlima2063

    @raisaulolopezlima2063

    Ай бұрын

    "i defeated the Night King! I truelly am The Song of Ice and Fire"

  • @mayureshbakare3021

    @mayureshbakare3021

    Ай бұрын

    Hahahaha

  • @fart_restoration

    @fart_restoration

    Ай бұрын

    😅

  • @zizonesol

    @zizonesol

    Ай бұрын

    it's snowin' time

  • @thehermitman822

    @thehermitman822

    Ай бұрын

    ​@boitrash4279Winter is cumming

  • @schoolgirlmaro
    @schoolgirlmaroАй бұрын

    I have no words. Somehow you have undone some of the ick that ive been carrying since season 7.

  • @Toastrodamus
    @ToastrodamusАй бұрын

    It's rarely been mentioned how similar Jon is to Paul Atreides. They're both the result of breeding experiments to create a prophesied hero. They're both careful leaders, trying to walk a very narrow path. Something something blue eyes. They're both set up in their stories as slowly gathering wisdom & strength, preparing for a role of ultimate power. And perhaps, like Paul, Jon's personal self-actualization will ultimately result in a disastrous massive loss of life that he won't be able to stop.

  • @sindelscat9336

    @sindelscat9336

    Ай бұрын

    Except Jon is a lot more nuanced and complex compared to Paul

  • @Toastrodamus

    @Toastrodamus

    Ай бұрын

    @@sindelscat9336 I don't think you're giving Dune enough credit here. Paul is a profoundly multifaceted character, conflicted beyond most people's ability to comprehend

  • @sindelscat9336

    @sindelscat9336

    Ай бұрын

    @@Toastrodamus yes but we don't get what his motives really are, we don't get his personal wants or needs, it just seems like fate is telling him what to do and he follows along with it, vs Jon who wants to be king of the north who wants to be involved with things those are his personal wants and needs, Paul on the other hand is really only doing these things because he has to.

  • @TheMrShnickers

    @TheMrShnickers

    Ай бұрын

    It’s really striking similarities, George is a huge fan of the Dune series

  • @MegaKnight2012

    @MegaKnight2012

    28 күн бұрын

    So Jon is a doomed hero, destined to become something too dangerous. Jon Snow is another name for Jack Frost, the king of winter. Paul Atreides is a cautionary tale, which many don't get at first.

  • @vivechjorviani5440
    @vivechjorviani5440Ай бұрын

    Do you ever think that GRRM watches these videos and goes: "Damn that's way better than I had planned" and that's why he can't write the book

  • @OcarinaSapphr-

    @OcarinaSapphr-

    Ай бұрын

    I don't care if he lies under oath & says he's *_never_* watched any of these channels- just so long as he uses them to **finish the damn books** !

  • @jourgensouza9104

    @jourgensouza9104

    Ай бұрын

    Miyazaki syndrome

  • @Karlach_

    @Karlach_

    Ай бұрын

    Scott Cawthon syndrome.

  • @Ingurando

    @Ingurando

    Ай бұрын

    @@Karlach_ Main man Scott hasn't claimed he's ever been a great writer or even one at all though at least.

  • @melodyogonna

    @melodyogonna

    Ай бұрын

    GRRM says he doesn't because of exactly this.

  • @LPgeneratorx
    @LPgeneratorxАй бұрын

    >New Alt Shift X video >It's about ASOIAF >It's 2 hours long I'm so ready

  • @valance10

    @valance10

    Ай бұрын

    36 mins in I see

  • @madelinekay190

    @madelinekay190

    Ай бұрын

    life is good 😎

  • @Diepvries11

    @Diepvries11

    Ай бұрын

    I came in my pants.

  • @Samiii90210

    @Samiii90210

    Ай бұрын

    LES GOOOOO

  • @Notreallyhereanymore

    @Notreallyhereanymore

    Ай бұрын

    Life is good again

  • @smilodnfatalis55
    @smilodnfatalis5517 күн бұрын

    Sometimes I forget that he's not actually resurrected yet in the books. Like how wild would it be if Jon just... stays dead. The ultimate troll.

  • @daniell1483
    @daniell1483Ай бұрын

    Great analysis. However, you can't convince me that Arya and Jon will be at loggerheads, not after Arya tries and fails to discard Needle. "It's just a sword", she tries to tell herself before thinking that it is so much more than that, it is Winterfell, a kiss from her Mother, and Jon most of all. She hides Needle instead, a subtle admission that she still loves Jon, and she has been listening to tales of Jon's command of the Night's Watch as the "Black Bastard" from sailors at Braavos. They will reunite, broken and traumatized, but still with love for each other.

  • @Ali_zhangHAO
    @Ali_zhangHAOАй бұрын

    wake up babe Alt Shift X just posted a new ASOIAF video

  • @smallbudoo

    @smallbudoo

    Ай бұрын

    Wow how original

  • @oli_cookie5123

    @oli_cookie5123

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@smallbudoocry

  • @alexx5064

    @alexx5064

    Ай бұрын

    literallly though, I woke my dog up to make sure she understood the gravity of the situation. she did not, the grumpiness is real

  • @lathanandrews417

    @lathanandrews417

    Ай бұрын

    I said the same to my wife :) She’s still asleep :(

  • @1da24

    @1da24

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@alexx5064my family is like your dog, they don't understand!

  • @greenman6141
    @greenman6141Ай бұрын

    About ravens appearing and saying "Snow". In a Sam pov chapter - after he has returned to Castle Black with Gilly - there's a throw away scene of no import where he's feeding Aemon's ravens, many of which are spanking new ones. We hear Sam commenting that he has been carefully teaching ALL of them to say "Snow". A few chapters later, the election takes place. Sam is much craftier than people give him credit for. He wasn't relying on ONE raven to say Snow. He was arranging for all of them to.

  • @KingSlayer_.

    @KingSlayer_.

    Ай бұрын

    Wasn't it Mormonts raven, though? It knew more words than all the others

  • @gustavofring8765

    @gustavofring8765

    Ай бұрын

    Its been a while but iirc he had nothing to do with the Mormont's raven

  • @phrophetsamgames

    @phrophetsamgames

    Ай бұрын

    Basically, Sam tried a 10000 IQ move where all the ravens say snow. The one raven he did not teach, the personal raven of Jeor Mormont, is the one who ended up being the pivotal one that landed on Jon and said Snow out lout. This shows that: 1. Sam is smart and crafty enough to aid in Jon's win. 2. There is a supernatural element that helped Jon win the election as well.

  • @skaternoa26

    @skaternoa26

    Ай бұрын

    Pretty sure Sam says he's teaching the ravens to say snow during the ranging in book 2, like half a year before the election. Plus it was Mormont's raven that came out during the election and Sam seems earnest to me when he says he had nothing to do with it.

  • @nouhorni3229

    @nouhorni3229

    Ай бұрын

    Mormont's raven saying it was the special thing. If all the ravens started cawing "snow", people would just reason "Oh, someone taught all the ravens to say 'snow'.". It would work more as a form of open (moral) support than trying to evoke a magical moment. Still a great idea from Sam.

  • @SlashPatriarchy
    @SlashPatriarchyАй бұрын

    I've never read the books, but ever time I learn how much more deep and conplex the books are than the show, I can't help wondering how book readers could enjoy the show at all, even in the early seasons

  • @HuskyVerbatim

    @HuskyVerbatim

    Ай бұрын

    Personally, I couldn't. As a longtime fan of the books, I could only make it through two or three episodes before giving up in disgust. It felt like the Hollywood theme park version of the story.

  • @watermelon520b

    @watermelon520b

    Ай бұрын

    most of the original fans never watched the show

  • @nat-cj8be

    @nat-cj8be

    Ай бұрын

    I watched the show before I started reading the books i’m currently on book 3 and yeah it’s so much better like wayyyyyy better. when i watch the show now i can’t help but criticize it even for the early seasons which i used to love 😭

  • @honoratagold

    @honoratagold

    29 күн бұрын

    The first season wasn't bad, and most of the changes made sense as, well, these are really long books and you have to change some things when adapting to a different medium. There were some changes even then that were red flags in retrospect, but at the time, it just seemed like normal adaptational changes. The changes got bigger every season, and I know I dipped somewhere in season 4 when the pile-up of "I am pretty sure the creators don't understand the themes of the original story" became too obvious to ignore for me. That said, I think as its own entity the show didn't really get *bad* until season 5. I think with Jon's story in particular, though, it's difficult to adapt. So much of Jon's story is really in his internal thoughts. Even if you did a direct adaptation, I think Jon might seem less nuanced in a film or TV version because we're not in his head getting his experiences like we are in the book. Jon is definitely one of the characters whose depth and nuance suffers most when moved out of a written medium to a visual one, imo.

  • @Talisguy

    @Talisguy

    12 күн бұрын

    A lot of the changes made to the story would have been better received if Game of Thrones had ended differently than Martin's outline notes for A Song of Ice and Fire, and we didn't know how badly they'd botch the ending until later in the story. One of the biggest problems is that the show tries to keep plot points that would only make sense for the book versions of these characters, even though they've changed so much in adaptation that they no longer fit. Jon's lack of internal conflict and streamlining into a conventional heroic fantasy lead would have played a lot better if he'd actually defeated the Night King. The world being saved by one of the few people in the cast who honestly didn't want political power, while everyone else was distracted from the impending apocalypse because they were too busy squabbling over a chair, works thematically. Especially since doing so would take the leadership ability to knit a ragtag group of misfits and opposing armies into one army with one supreme commander and one purpose, showing that he'd make a great king if he actually wanted it (and hadn't abdicated. And therefore ruled himself out of the line of succession. ...Varys.) ...Instead, his leadership role is eventually swallowed up by Daenerys and Arya killsteals the Night King, so we're left wondering what the point of following Jon for seven years worth of buildup was. Ironically, even though Arya killing the Night King was a decision that D&D have admitted they made themselves (it was intended to be Jon until very late in the game,) Jon not landing the killing blow would fit a lot better in the books, where he's a wily political leader and tactician first, a warrior second. He could still be Azor Ahai if his strengths weren't so tied to direct combat.

  • @minus8162
    @minus8162Ай бұрын

    What actually amazes me is that this video hit 2.1mil views in 2 just two weeks. This channel stays relevant and so good for like what now? 8-9 years? I love this video as much as the others, thank you for entertaining us for so long!

  • @andalilbitqueer
    @andalilbitqueerАй бұрын

    literally gasped omfg

  • @J3k1d0

    @J3k1d0

    Ай бұрын

    i'm glad this is the first comment i saw, same vibe.

  • @karlkang7315

    @karlkang7315

    Ай бұрын

    Same

  • @RomeodaBIackRose

    @RomeodaBIackRose

    Ай бұрын

    Same!!

  • @subtlewookiee

    @subtlewookiee

    Ай бұрын

    Saw the video. Saw the length. Exclaimed "Oh shit!"

  • @user-nz6bk7lf8u

    @user-nz6bk7lf8u

    Ай бұрын

    Yall too excited over garbage.

  • @starbelly2000
    @starbelly2000Ай бұрын

    It's amazing to think that even just Jon's story could be an entire book series in itself. It staggers me to consider how George wrote all these intertwined, indepth stories of ASOIAF.

  • @peter-paulkutschlojenga7336

    @peter-paulkutschlojenga7336

    Ай бұрын

    Its honestly insane how it all intertwines. I've spent countless times wondering how he does it all in his head.

  • @vpmkhang

    @vpmkhang

    Ай бұрын

    I honestly love the interconnected storylines as well, but he might have made it too complicated to finish now. Hopefully I am proven wrong.

  • @KhanMann66

    @KhanMann66

    Ай бұрын

    Unfortunately that’s the book’s Achilles heel. Too complicated that even the author himself has no way to progress the story.

  • @MegaKnight2012

    @MegaKnight2012

    Ай бұрын

    And now he's crushed under the weight of so much story

  • @FanksCast

    @FanksCast

    Ай бұрын

    Be nice if he also finished the book series he decided to start

  • @2ndlegend125
    @2ndlegend125Ай бұрын

    I've had a theory on Jon's resurrection for a while. Jon's corpse becomes a matter of contention on what people want to do with it. Some like the Wildlings and Watch want to burn it for obvious reasons while Melisandre and Stannis want it preserved, Melisandre for religious reasons while Stannis might want him burried in the Winterfell crypts out of respect and honor. Meanwhile Jaime and Brienne convince Lady Stoneheart to let Jaime take the Black. Untrusting of Jaime, she decides to escort him to Castle Black herself. Jon's body is preserved by the cold and Melisandre's magic long enough for Lady Stoneheart to arrive at either Castle Black or Winterfell if the Baratheons take it and transfer Jon's body there. Either way, LSH sees Jon and sees him as the spitting image of Ned. She realizes that Jon is perhaps the last remnant of Ned and Robb and that she has the power to save him, unlike them. She then passes her life force to him like Beric did for her. And so a Dragon is born from a Stone heart. This would hold a lot of significance for a ressurected Jon who had a lot of trauma thanks to Cat. It also closes Cat's story and arc pretty well. Finally, loving the bastard symbolizes a turn in fortune for the Starks as they all begin to come together and gain power.

  • @Mvenven

    @Mvenven

    Ай бұрын

    I love it

  • @hobbes1887

    @hobbes1887

    Ай бұрын

    The cold preserves. But here we are talking of months of travel. Too much in my opinion. Another possibility (to me) is that Lady S will discover that Jane Westerling is pregnant with Robb son and has escaped with the Blackfish. Jane will die of childbirth and the child too, but LS will revive the boy rediscovering she has not lost everything. She is a grandma.

  • @hobbes1887

    @hobbes1887

    Ай бұрын

    Nevertheless you're right. The wildlings would like to burn Jon, while the nightwatchmen would not. Bowen is still "a good man". In the meantime Shereen illness will worsen and maybe start spreading. So in the end Melisandre will set a pyre for Jon and shereen. Paying one life with the other death and mimicking Dany's birth of the dragon scene. That will also allow Jon to lose his dark hair and regrow whiter one.

  • @2ndlegend125

    @2ndlegend125

    Ай бұрын

    @hobbes1887 idk. Months might be a stretch. A month or two, maybe. Westeros is big, but the Riverlands is right next to the North. Also, that is why I also said Malisandre could preserve his body with her magic as well.

  • @hobbes1887

    @hobbes1887

    Ай бұрын

    @@2ndlegend125 I really don't see any "real magic in Melisandre, not a magic to preserve at least. She is a fire priestess, she consumes, lusts, destroys, burns. She blinds and mocks and glimmers. But I doubt she can protect, preserve or "freeze" the time. Said that yes the Riverlands are under the north. But the north is a festering wound. The neck is a hellhole, the north is infested with ironborns, Boltons, warbands , staving people and war orphans. The winter is pressing. The easy route, the Kings Road is not the same as at the beginning of AGOT

  • @EJD339
    @EJD339Ай бұрын

    You can slowly hear his resentment of the TV show the further along this video goes lol

  • @sabrasabranise3335
    @sabrasabranise3335Ай бұрын

    A 2hour video with subtitles ??? That's incredible. Thank you so much for making it accessible

  • @EvolvedDinosaur

    @EvolvedDinosaur

    Ай бұрын

    It’s actually really easy to make these subtitles! All you have to do is feed your script to KZread, and it’ll make it all on its own. I’m sure ASX went over and reviewed it all to make sure it lines up, but it’s really not as tricky as you may think!

  • @xulqarnaen

    @xulqarnaen

    Ай бұрын

    took him 5 months

  • @vitussvit

    @vitussvit

    Ай бұрын

    "babe wake up"

  • @zabi_aka

    @zabi_aka

    Ай бұрын

    That's still a lot of work to go through subs for a 2hrs video. And many youtubers don't even try ​😢 @@EvolvedDinosaur

  • @zvezdoblyat

    @zvezdoblyat

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@EvolvedDinosaurpunctuation, grammar, correct spelling of character names, plus all the things that would be confused for other words because of his accent... Most of his content is scripted so it makes sense for his captions to be so good but let's not pretend that it's very easy to edit a 2 hours worth of subtitles.

  • @olexj4939
    @olexj4939Ай бұрын

    The idea of Jon returning to that cave to stay there forever sent knives through my heart.

  • @robertmaybeth3434

    @robertmaybeth3434

    Ай бұрын

    really, why? Jon's thought you refer to, struck me as a bit of sweet nostalgia for Jon. Those moments in the cave with Ygritte, are probably the only moments of true happiness Jon has ever known in his entire young life. And obviously Jon knows they could literally not stay there forever as they need food of course, so he's clearly just imagining, before he is forced to put it aside by the cold hard reality of his life.

  • @birchtree8028

    @birchtree8028

    Ай бұрын

    ⁠@@robertmaybeth3434it feels like similar of the story of Merlin death, Merlin pursued love of a woman who did not love him and that path led him to being trapped in a cave forever, and Merlin knew this would happen yet stayed his course. While Jon tried to not love Ygritte yet he ended up failing, but he knew that he’d have to return to the watch but he’d have to leave Ygritte behind. So for him to end up in the cave after choosing duty over love, feels so twisted but also appropriate, trapped in the only place he’s ever known love. Brutal but I love it

  • @lostalone9320

    @lostalone9320

    Ай бұрын

    While Jon has known happiness with the Wildlings, he is still very young and his time north of the wall (relatively speaking) was like good times he had at college. They are good times, and he will look back fondly, but I think he knows that he wouldn't be happy living with the wildlings in the long term. Of course it does appeal to him to be more equal, since he has such a chip on his shoulder, but equally just being "another dude" is not going to satisfy him. He is just not that kind of guy.

  • @InnuendoXP

    @InnuendoXP

    Ай бұрын

    @@lostalone9320 but he's unlikely to be 'just another dude' with the wildlings either. They still have authority & respect among themselves - but through recognition of what they've done & what they're capable of, not how they were born. With or without Blood Raven pulling the strings, Jon has shown pretty definitively that he can earn respect & hold authority.

  • @benmiller8980
    @benmiller8980Ай бұрын

    your video essays slap, please continue making them!

  • @dmitrynovikov3987
    @dmitrynovikov39872 күн бұрын

    It is amazing to see you back here! Thank you for your work and dedication!

  • @VVEGA2940
    @VVEGA2940Ай бұрын

    Imagine Melisandre tries to rezz Jon in TWOW and his spirit just goes "I don' wun it", and we never see him again

  • @suri_youtu2463

    @suri_youtu2463

    Ай бұрын

    lol

  • @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

    @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

    Ай бұрын

    lol

  • @n0bnarb98
    @n0bnarb98Ай бұрын

    I’m 1 second in and just want to say I’m amazed and so so happy this video ended up over 2 hours long. We’ve missed you, Shifty. Thanks for everything you do.

  • @lukaslambs5780

    @lukaslambs5780

    Ай бұрын

    I hope shifty knows how happy he made many thousands of people by uploading!

  • @markmatthews8675
    @markmatthews8675Ай бұрын

    Incredible video. Enjoyed every bit of it. Thanks for continuing to make ASOIAF content!

  • @rdavis3618
    @rdavis3618Ай бұрын

    I’ve always loved your videos but this one hits different. Top tier work.

  • @allanriley
    @allanrileyАй бұрын

    "In the book, it's more complicated" sums up so many things across ASOIAF lol

  • @saruboss18

    @saruboss18

    Ай бұрын

    And as more time passes without release of WOW , maybe not for the better.

  • @DoratTheKiller

    @DoratTheKiller

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@saruboss18 Too true, sadly

  • @GBfanatic15

    @GBfanatic15

    Ай бұрын

    it's also infinitely more interesting than the show XD

  • @itsmety5074

    @itsmety5074

    Ай бұрын

    When Alt says this one simple thing, my depression fades away.

  • @mehukattti

    @mehukattti

    Ай бұрын

    "In the books" = 😤🤚 "In the novels" = ☺️👉

  • @gronizherz3603
    @gronizherz3603Ай бұрын

    I cannot begin to describe how much it satisfies me that you attach book-accurate art or edits for everything. Truly the best channel.

  • @wesoda2484

    @wesoda2484

    Ай бұрын

    Had to restrain myself watching the first season and seeing Jon with brown eyes... truly, this is a triumph

  • @alvaroprieto2092

    @alvaroprieto2092

    Ай бұрын

    AI art though...

  • @gronizherz3603

    @gronizherz3603

    Ай бұрын

    The purpose isn't to highlight human artwork, but to create a real depiction from book description. Note where there is art available the artists are noted. @@alvaroprieto2092

  • @Karlach_

    @Karlach_

    Ай бұрын

    @@alvaroprieto2092If you can't tell the difference between something made by a robot or something made by a person does it really matter how it was made? Just enjoy the artwork.

  • @alvaroprieto2092

    @alvaroprieto2092

    Ай бұрын

    @@Karlach_ Yes. It matters.

  • @user-uq9qe1kw8s
    @user-uq9qe1kw8sАй бұрын

    The quality of your work is unmatched. Glad to see your channel and GOT still getting love

  • @kblair17
    @kblair1723 күн бұрын

    so happy to see a new video of yours, your content is unmatched!😄

  • @Megamarod
    @MegamarodАй бұрын

    Dude I have a love/hate relationship with your vids, because they make me so hyped about books that will never come out.

  • @Morfe02

    @Morfe02

    Ай бұрын

    The man IS making a history book video about fantasy books for 50 years in future

  • @tentativegazer

    @tentativegazer

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@Morfe02 GRRM invents the cure to mortality so he can spend even more time not finishing his books

  • @owlsayssouth

    @owlsayssouth

    Ай бұрын

    The books will come out. Eventually. Only 4 more to go!

  • @pp-on6cs

    @pp-on6cs

    Ай бұрын

    @@owlsayssouththe man’s 75. He’s not finishing the books. The rest of the books will be left in the hand of the fans. Which maybe isn’t a bad thing because George said season 7 and 8 were really good

  • @AbdulRahman-vy7ko

    @AbdulRahman-vy7ko

    Ай бұрын

    No LITERALLY

  • @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195
    @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195Ай бұрын

    I both love and hate how us as a fandom chose to ignore that Ned also has a temper

  • @zoumascat3746

    @zoumascat3746

    Ай бұрын

    So did his brother and father.

  • @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

    @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

    Ай бұрын

    @@zoumascat3746 Right?! Ned loses it at people all the time. Catelyn even says “his anger was on him” and that she has never seen him “that angry” which means she has seen him angry more than once to be able to compare? And in his inner monologue he definitelly gets angry all the time. IDK if this is the influence of the show, like people saying how him and Jon have no personality, but theirs are some of my favourite jokes in the books

  • @TheMasterGamer21

    @TheMasterGamer21

    Ай бұрын

    Ned got that dawg in him.

  • @connor4435

    @connor4435

    Ай бұрын

    @@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195he has a normal temper, he gets angry sometimes but not constantly

  • @JohnSmith-tt3go

    @JohnSmith-tt3go

    Ай бұрын

    Ned's 'Quiet Wolf' moniker isn't people saying he's passive and doesn't get mad. It's them saying he doesn't go carousing and openly raging like other lords do. He definitely still has a temper.

  • @yxyyyxy
    @yxyyyxyАй бұрын

    Legendary video, sincere thanks to everyone who made this possible!

  • @CakeDuck112
    @CakeDuck11226 күн бұрын

    Yessssss what a banger of a video! Thank you! Looking forward to the next one!

  • @alexandremartins3657
    @alexandremartins3657Ай бұрын

    We need a whole serie about the real *insert character*. You have captivating way of describing this, and I sure would watch those again, and again, thank so much for all the effort and time !

  • @cherryames916

    @cherryames916

    Ай бұрын

    Please please please!! “Real” is a great idea that should go on!!

  • @alicenolfi2095

    @alicenolfi2095

    Ай бұрын

    I vote a video about the ‘real’ Daenerys next!

  • @spadinnerxylaphone2622

    @spadinnerxylaphone2622

    Ай бұрын

    I cannot wait for "The Real Shitmouth"

  • @andrewhitt2688

    @andrewhitt2688

    Ай бұрын

    this is really such an amazing video please make more

  • @gronizherz3603

    @gronizherz3603

    Ай бұрын

    I'm such a sucker for correcting faulty depictions, so entire video essays dedicated to just that (filled with accurate art or edits) is so unbelievably far up my alley lol

  • @SaulofIceandFire
    @SaulofIceandFireАй бұрын

    the sad face after "jon won't be a dog forever" in the captions at 1:17 :38 is so perfect.

  • @geoffp1
    @geoffp1Ай бұрын

    Incredible video, thank you Alt Shift X.

  • @GrungeRockGod
    @GrungeRockGodАй бұрын

    Alt Shift X man you are absolute stud for making these videos. All your content is 10/10 brother keep up the good work!

  • @gustavfolden4670
    @gustavfolden4670Ай бұрын

    Man. These books must be the most complicated thing to write. Every plot and character is so deep and Well thought out.

  • @joaooferabr

    @joaooferabr

    Ай бұрын

    I always caught myself thinking: have this motherfucker thinked all that from the first book? The targaryens, all the past characters, the stories it all fits so well.

  • @ElVnugo

    @ElVnugo

    Ай бұрын

    It's precisely cause they were not well thought out, is why the story and books will never be finished. George is a gardener. Unfortunately.

  • @dw3134

    @dw3134

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@ElVnugoThe story grew out of his scope.

  • @andrzejkopalnia

    @andrzejkopalnia

    Ай бұрын

    #IbelieveinGeorge ❤

  • @magalengo

    @magalengo

    Ай бұрын

    Like Jonah, George was swallowed by the Great Leviathan.

  • @RATking8888
    @RATking8888Ай бұрын

    I like how GRRM has libraries worth of lore and stories that are just random background that are nonchalantly brought up in casual conversations in the book.

  • @shaunsmith9013

    @shaunsmith9013

    Ай бұрын

    Why he was perfect to collaborate with Fromsoft for Elden Ring

  • @thejewles1611

    @thejewles1611

    Ай бұрын

    @@shaunsmith9013 from what i heard he really didn't do much for elden ring, it came across more as PR hype ngl, but if you know different I'd be interested in learning

  • @peen2804

    @peen2804

    Ай бұрын

    from what i understand thats largely correct. hes responsible for creating the names and structure of queen marika's lineage and didnt have any part regarding the details of the actual lore of the game @@thejewles1611

  • @ihx7

    @ihx7

    Ай бұрын

    @@thejewles1611he made all the lore before the shattering only the twisting of it afterwards was the work of from so he did quite a lot

  • @willgilhespy

    @willgilhespy

    Ай бұрын

    @@thejewles1611 He apparently made all of the context, the Greater Will, the demi-god family tree etc, up until Marika shattered the elden ring, then fromsoft took the world he created and did their post-apocolyptic magic with it

  • @DanGanado
    @DanGanadoАй бұрын

    Dude you're so thorough, thoughtful, and passionate. Thank you for sharing your work with us 🖤

  • @nickcangaming
    @nickcangamingАй бұрын

    The quality and depth of your presentation is unparalleled imo well done once again

  • @jackbrewer1983
    @jackbrewer1983Ай бұрын

    Man this comment is probably gonna be lost in the thousands that are here. But I just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work you put into all these videos. The amount of research and reading that you have obviously put into making a video is awesome. I always look forward to when you post anything. Just wanted to say your channel is fucking awesome and you're dope. Thanks!

  • @0NeeN0

    @0NeeN0

    Ай бұрын

    +1 Man is quality machine, not only he makes hours long deep dives into theories, differences between books and tv show and scour every page to find some obscure character saying one sentence to make theories more believable. Even though most of them are stupid (Watch Alt Schwift X 7 hour video called "Ultimate ASOIAF Theory Iceberg" where he summarizes theories and hints about them being true/completely false done LIVE FROM HIS BIG HEAD). The only content I don't watch is from House of the Dragon because I don't want any spoilers but I don't have time to watch it and I'm afraid that it's bad and it will ruin GoT's magic for me.

  • @SumeriyaYaxlaka

    @SumeriyaYaxlaka

    Ай бұрын

    ++

  • @aamirrazak3467

    @aamirrazak3467

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah alt shift x ASOIAF lore videos are incredible and the amount of effort and dedication put into them really shows in their quality. One of the best YT channels

  • @kunalgokhale2273
    @kunalgokhale2273Ай бұрын

    I burst out laughing when Michael Scott yelling "parkour!" came in out of nowhere. Well done lmao

  • @simplymesso

    @simplymesso

    Ай бұрын

    same here :D that was so well placed and unexpected, super funny!

  • @MrKingtyrant05

    @MrKingtyrant05

    Ай бұрын

    When?

  • @disrespectthemwomensubjuga5471

    @disrespectthemwomensubjuga5471

    Ай бұрын

    ​@MrKi 31:05

  • @Annathroy

    @Annathroy

    Ай бұрын

    And it's so fitting hahahah

  • @jammin2575

    @jammin2575

    Ай бұрын

    Never thought that GOT and The Office would intersect so well 🤣 truly a masterpiece 😊

  • @sanclairekabore5058
    @sanclairekabore5058Ай бұрын

    I absolutely love your videos. Its not only that your voice add suspense but its also calming. The details are nice. Im starting to read the books now

  • @myrddinde
    @myrddindeАй бұрын

    Thanks for this amazing Video... Your best so far... Now we need one for every char alive in Winds of Winter :D I expect one every week :D

  • @1000000hm
    @1000000hmАй бұрын

    That “parkour” cut from the Office as Jon chases Ygritte was comedy gold

  • @samfights
    @samfightsАй бұрын

    Show Jon: checkers Book Jon: chess

  • @francescapatti2934

    @francescapatti2934

    19 күн бұрын

    Show Jon isnt even playing checkers mf is playing Connect Four 😂

  • @sybandit1584

    @sybandit1584

    13 күн бұрын

    @@francescapatti2934 HAHAHA

  • @lazkraft7917
    @lazkraft7917Ай бұрын

    Just want to say you're amazing at what you do mate! Always a pleasure to watch

  • @RotGodKing
    @RotGodKingАй бұрын

    Keep putting these out and I'll keep watching them.

  • @edwinsolis5710
    @edwinsolis5710Ай бұрын

    Don’t forget that “The White Wolf” is a direct reference to Elric of Melnibone, an Albino King with a magic sword. So that actually hints how Jon might have white hair, red eye and a magic fire sword.

  • @whyonthefall5373

    @whyonthefall5373

    Ай бұрын

    Elric references are rife in the series. I personally like what George has done with the look

  • @hydromancer4916

    @hydromancer4916

    Ай бұрын

    One of Azor Ahai's many names is "Eldric Shadowchaser"

  • @hand3536

    @hand3536

    Ай бұрын

    george rr martin already said that bloodraven is based of that character

  • @roughrambo1000000

    @roughrambo1000000

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah I had a bit of a realization that the Valyrians are basically Melnibones driving home from work today TBH.

  • @jacobenke7936

    @jacobenke7936

    Ай бұрын

    The theory I always liked was one involving Jon's actual body being burnt. Some First Nations legends hold that shapeshifters were the result of men who could "spirit walk", but their bodies die and their spirits get stuck in animals. Their animal bodies can't speak, and some strong emotion causes them to revert to human form. In that case, Jon would have white hair and red eyes.

  • @BaardFigur
    @BaardFigurАй бұрын

    Daenerys: I'm pregnant Jon: I don't want it

  • @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

    @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

    Ай бұрын

    I just went through all seven hells by laughing at that 😂

  • @craven4bmore709

    @craven4bmore709

    Ай бұрын

    😂

  • @TheFFilipp

    @TheFFilipp

    10 күн бұрын

    Haha men impregnating women and refusing to take responsibility for their own children is so funny

  • @dbriley18
    @dbriley18Ай бұрын

    i cant thank you enough for the videos you make. I absolutely love them and watch them over and over

  • @andreizota6223
    @andreizota6223Ай бұрын

    I was thinking about Asoias the last few days, seeing you posted about Jon Snow brings me joy, good story to hear during the evening.

  • @slift040
    @slift040Ай бұрын

    It’s like the more I sink into the books the less the show seems to me

  • @baselhills865

    @baselhills865

    Ай бұрын

    I'm grateful for some of the visual shots from the show, and the casting was excellent, but other than that...

  • @Bionickpunk

    @Bionickpunk

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@baselhills865 The show was good for as long as there was content to adapt from the source material. In a sense GRRM is also responsible for the final season.

  • @obi-wankenobi7725

    @obi-wankenobi7725

    Ай бұрын

    @@BionickpunkGRRM is to blame to an extent, but to say the show was good as long as it had material is just false. S5 and 6 decided to go in their own, completely different (and bad) direction when they had two whole, unadapted books (AFFC/ADWD)

  • @seb3832

    @seb3832

    Ай бұрын

    Read all the books first and still havent watched the show because I know it will be disappointing

  • @Bionickpunk

    @Bionickpunk

    Ай бұрын

    @@obi-wankenobi7725 If I recall correctly its with Season 5 when the start deviating from the source material a lot and when the dumbed down dialogue started. And yes, 6 was also derailing it.

  • @Matt-xc6sp
    @Matt-xc6spАй бұрын

    If Jon is undead and his heart isn’t beating, will his penis still work? Asking the hard questions.

  • @DoubleO88

    @DoubleO88

    Ай бұрын

    Brilliant lol

  • @truth6441

    @truth6441

    Ай бұрын

    We do not know and therefore cannot say for certain. Sorry to disappoint you with such a soft answer.

  • @Matt-xc6sp

    @Matt-xc6sp

    Ай бұрын

    @@truth6441 it’s a real Schrödinger’s Dong situation until we get Winds

  • @vawalters318

    @vawalters318

    Ай бұрын

    I've literally thought of this too much

  • @AntrozLPs

    @AntrozLPs

    Ай бұрын

    I see what you did there.

  • @RyanYewell
    @RyanYewell29 күн бұрын

    What makes me sad is how crappy the latter half of the TV show was and, possibly, how Winds Of Winter and A Dream of Spring may never be finished for true fans of ASOIAF.

  • @thomedwards8186
    @thomedwards8186Ай бұрын

    Amazing video, so well researched. I look forward to The Real Dolorous Edd video.

  • @joannac.3782
    @joannac.3782Ай бұрын

    That direwolf scene in the show is what got me in the first place. And Jon says, "Lord Stark" when he is addressing Ned in that direwolf speech. He knows what he's doing.

  • @Prince_Luci
    @Prince_LuciАй бұрын

    I’ll die on this hill. Conflating the three eyed crow and Bloodraven as the same entity is the same mistake bran is making that will eventually dearly cost him. We have zero evidence to support them being the same entity and have significant evidence to support the fact that Bloodraven himself is wholly unfamiliar with the three eyed crow. George makes a point of symbolically separating ravens from crows. Ravens represent knowledge and wisdom. Information. Crows represent death, decay, and rot. Bloodraven only inhabits ravens (amongst other creatures) but never EVER crows. Making the assumption that what awoke brans power and who called him beyond the wall are the same thing i believe is a dangerous assumption to make. There are no weirwoods on old wyck and yet Euron was visited by the crow.

  • @JacobGrim

    @JacobGrim

    Ай бұрын

    I like this. What/who do you think the three eyed raven could be?

  • @kimblandino

    @kimblandino

    Ай бұрын

    It is striking that when Bran finally meets Bloodraven, Bran says to Bloodraven; "You are who I've been looking for, The Three Eyed Crow!" And Bloodraven just looks down at Bran like: "A... Crow..?" Like he has NO CLUE what Bran is talking about.

  • @Prince_Luci

    @Prince_Luci

    Ай бұрын

    @@kimblandino yeah he thinks it’s weird he used wildling phrasing to describe him as a member of the nightswatch which is CLEARLY not what bran meant.

  • @Prince_Luci

    @Prince_Luci

    Ай бұрын

    @@JacobGrim could be an avatar of the old gods. I’ve also heard it could be that future bran is the three eyed crow and he ouroboros style ALWAYS awoke his own powers so that he could eventually awake his own powers. So on and so forth. I personally don’t know but I’m strongly of the opinion George has given us enough to be suspicious of the fact that the tree wizard has no idea what bran means when he asks if he’s the magical three eyed crow entity that visited him in his dreams. George likes doing this. Conflating two similar things as the same thing to the detriment of the characters and the audience.

  • @kimblandino

    @kimblandino

    Ай бұрын

    @@Prince_Luci Bloodraven tried to recruit Euron and Euron went rogue as the Three Eyed Crow. Euron's use of Sweet Sleep might allow him to telepathically access this sort of dream realm where he can influence the dreams of Wargs/Greenseers.

  • @johnblue341
    @johnblue341Ай бұрын

    This is such an informative and incredible video your are an absolute beast for putting this together enjoyed every minute so damn good.

  • @thomasdenney6891
    @thomasdenney6891Ай бұрын

    That was an absolutely amazing video, thank you to everyone who contributed! ❤

  • @halocemagnum8351
    @halocemagnum8351Ай бұрын

    Actually awesome video. The Azor Ahai criticism at the end was top notch. After discussing for so long how John is definitely set up to be Azor Ahai, and how making peace with the white walkers isn’t worth doing, you also turn around and say, “but who would want to follow in the foot steps of a man who murdered his wife for a magic sword?” Which like, damn, when you put it that way, I think the Azor Ahai prophecy is more of a curse than some sort of blessing. It’s not saying “you will be a great hero” it’s saying “you will find the power you need by sacrificing others.”

  • @vardiganxpl1698

    @vardiganxpl1698

    Ай бұрын

    That is a genuinely interesting idea. So much the fandom discussed the prophecy as something needed and ultimately good, when if looked upon from another perspective, the flaws of it are just as evident

  • @RTU130

    @RTU130

    Ай бұрын

    Ye

  • @unscripted483

    @unscripted483

    Ай бұрын

    I think azor ahai is more someone who is made rather than someone who was pre ordained.

  • @GlobnarTheGreen

    @GlobnarTheGreen

    Ай бұрын

    @@unscripted483indeed.

  • @thestrangethoughtspodcast5785

    @thestrangethoughtspodcast5785

    Ай бұрын

    But then again, Love is the death of Duty. Maybe by sacrificing his Love, he can accomplish his duty that was destined. So many ways this could go.

  • @TheDoct0rb
    @TheDoct0rbАй бұрын

    My prediction is that Lady Stoneheart will go to the wall looking for Arya, she did capture Breane who was heading north looking for he daughters. She will find a dead Jon but no Arya and decide Jon is her best hope at saving her children. She will pass her life to Jon the same way Baric did for her. It's a bit of a redemption for Katlyn for how she's treated Jon. And also Lady Stoneheart fits for stone giving birth to a dragon.

  • @laurenanderson61

    @laurenanderson61

    Ай бұрын

    ooh I hope so

  • @Morfe02

    @Morfe02

    Ай бұрын

    Better explanation than Melissandre doing all the Magic work

  • @danielcaballero88

    @danielcaballero88

    Ай бұрын

    My guess is that GRRM is seeing these videos and reading all these comments and getting so many good ideas that the next book is going to be huuuuge, probably going to be splitted in many parts... ah no it's just me dreaming, of course there is no next book coming, not in this life at least

  • @soumyadeepghosh8594

    @soumyadeepghosh8594

    Ай бұрын

    But it will take her too long to reach the wall. Last that was heard of LSH was she was near the neck. A whole kingdom away from the wall.

  • @vx345

    @vx345

    Ай бұрын

    This is nice but I honestly believe Selyse and Melisandre will burn Shireen against Stannis's will while he's away to resurrect Jon.

  • @mick5735
    @mick5735Ай бұрын

    Amazing video, my friend!! Thank you for all the effort!!

  • @dallybobally7163
    @dallybobally7163Ай бұрын

    All I can think about this whole video when you put it all together is how young Jon is, it’s just so heartbreaking the weight on his shoulders. Especially with how schwift uses the book accurate photo the whole time.

  • @Aydan2108

    @Aydan2108

    Ай бұрын

    There are characters that are going through worst, Theon, dany, arya, sansa

  • @HOTD108_

    @HOTD108_

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@Aydan2108So? That doesn't change anything.

  • @Aydan2108

    @Aydan2108

    Ай бұрын

    @@HOTD108_ it pretty much does, y'all need to stop making jon seem like this big victim when he is not.

  • @zvezdoblyat

    @zvezdoblyat

    Ай бұрын

    There are many things that are excusable because of their age in the books that are inexcusable in the show because of their age.

  • @MrsNeedlemouse

    @MrsNeedlemouse

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@Aydan2108smartest anti jon crusader

  • @QuinnTheGM
    @QuinnTheGMАй бұрын

    I’m currently rereading A Dance with Dragons, and it’s increased my appreciation for Jon tenfold. Thank you for making a video honoring this great character who is often misperceived because of the show. Now I need to make a 2 hour video on the superior Jon, Jon Connington.

  • @Scorpionwincheater88

    @Scorpionwincheater88

    Ай бұрын

    Heresy.

  • @otaviorbs

    @otaviorbs

    Ай бұрын

    The con himself!

  • @Aezeus

    @Aezeus

    Ай бұрын

    Quinn and Shifty crossover please and thank you

  • @CheeseCrumbs00

    @CheeseCrumbs00

    Ай бұрын

    What do you think of Jon's decisions in Dance?

  • @telescopicfish

    @telescopicfish

    Ай бұрын

    Only 2 hours Quinn? You've got to step it up Quinn

  • @BoB-di9lz
    @BoB-di9lz21 күн бұрын

    Thank you for all the amazing ASOIAF content! I for one would love to see a similar video about Daenerys as well!

  • @kevintucker4621
    @kevintucker46213 күн бұрын

    Thank you for what you and your contributors do!

  • @_AR_1
    @_AR_1Ай бұрын

    1:18 :47 Shireen also tells Cressen in the ACOK prologue how she dreamed that a dragon ate her. So yeah, the future's not looking bright for Shireen.

  • @arawn1061

    @arawn1061

    Ай бұрын

    In a way its looking *really bright*

  • @warfarein

    @warfarein

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@arawn1061 I shouldn't be laughing at that as hard as I am!

  • @ktbecstasy

    @ktbecstasy

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@arawn1061Man I love dark humor 😂😂

  • @albertorivera2001
    @albertorivera2001Ай бұрын

    If Ghost has to die for Jon to get back to his body, it would not only make sense for him to be able to then bond to a dragon, but also narratively it would be fitting as him killing his Stark side and embracing his Targaryen side.

  • @ShannMcG716

    @ShannMcG716

    Ай бұрын

    DO NOT PUT THAT OUT INTO THE UNIVERSE. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

  • @darthpedro123456789

    @darthpedro123456789

    Ай бұрын

    Ending it as a potential sacrifice of the dragon as well leads excellently. He's not defined by his Stark or his Targaryen side. He's just Jon.

  • @K.a.t.-it1ps

    @K.a.t.-it1ps

    Ай бұрын

    Jon being Targeryen feels so lame dont know why

  • @wildgrem

    @wildgrem

    Ай бұрын

    @@ShannMcG716 dont worry, the story will never be finished. I hope im wrong.

  • @vortexdaidade

    @vortexdaidade

    Ай бұрын

    ​@K.a.t.-it1psI know right? I think this is one thing that they did right with the character in the show, by giving him the choice to renounce his targaryen origin. Jon is still barely 17 in the books, for him to be defined as a targaryen feels.. fitting in the books' lore but not in his arc, he wants to prove himself, to belong someplace deep down, to be more than a lowborn bastard. Jon's journey is similar to Sandor or the Elder Brother in a Feast For Crows in a way; They die, and they rebirth, and what comes out can be better(most likely) or worse.

  • @keenansutherland2776
    @keenansutherland2776Ай бұрын

    probably 10x times ive watched your video by now, I love your as a content creator

  • @UFL3
    @UFL3Ай бұрын

    23:40 This video is a masterpiece but CMON MAN “WHERE THE WILDLINGS ARE” WAS RIGHT THERE

  • @f953
    @f953Ай бұрын

    I know this was your "Winds of Winter" for the last year. But I want you to know you've done a fantastic job and it was worth the wait.

  • @juicetonk
    @juicetonkАй бұрын

    Dude honestly, thank you for staying with this series despite how hard it can be as a book fan these days. I became a new fan and read the whole series in one go after season 2 of the show in 2012/2013, and thought for sure Winds would be out in a matter of years at most. Since then, book nuances were overwritten in my mind with show-canon, and now almost 6 years after the finale, I’ve been left wondering why I even liked the series in the first place. This video just reminded me why I was so sucked into the world and characters, and so thanks for re-kindling my interest and hope that we might get some closure from George.

  • @anomanderrake5434

    @anomanderrake5434

    Ай бұрын

    Absolutely agree with you on the point that show has overwritten all the nuances of the books. "Things just happens cause the writer wanted it to happen" nature of the later seasons is the only thing I remember. I am due a reread long time now. If only winds will be announced. Would be a joyous reread

  • @pain002

    @pain002

    Ай бұрын

    @@anomanderrake5434I think the show is a great entry, the books are an amazing in depth look for people who want more. And you’ll end up liking it more than the show 100% that’s how it went for me

  • @jaxirraywhisper741

    @jaxirraywhisper741

    Ай бұрын

    You liked the show becuase first three seasons are actually decent, regardless how close or not they derive from the original. This show that I too regretably watched to the end prevented me from doing the same with netflix Witcher. I watched first season that was great and didnt bother with the rest seeing how south they went.

  • @ObnoxiousOtter8

    @ObnoxiousOtter8

    Ай бұрын

    Re-read the books and feel the joy

  • @ry3981

    @ry3981

    Ай бұрын

    You just articulated exactly how I feel and we have nearly the exact same experience and timeline. I'm hopeful for the future books!

  • @Winter_Lantern
    @Winter_Lantern11 күн бұрын

    nice vid mate, it's also a good recap cuz I doubt I could reread the entire thing whenever the new book releases

  • @greekspeare9526
    @greekspeare9526Ай бұрын

    What an excellent deep-dive character study. So well done and presented. You balance information, imagination, and humor so well. Bravo.

  • @mathiaszap3407
    @mathiaszap3407Ай бұрын

    That ending for Jon in a Dream of spring makes him a "ghost", a undead man haunted by his own memories and choices, the "ghost" of the free folk, the "human version" of his own wolf: the ghost

  • @brianhernandez7025
    @brianhernandez7025Ай бұрын

    How dare you remind me that I used to genuinely enjoy this series. Awesome video, can't wait to never finish reading the books and remembering that the show completely failed to stick the landing

  • @Name.exeNotFound-pu1qt

    @Name.exeNotFound-pu1qt

    Ай бұрын

    the ending in the show was pretty good in theory, the execution was ass. From a feast for crows we see how brutal war is and how anti war grrm is. It doesnt make sense that he would show the brutality of the War of the Five Kings and then glorify Dany's conquest and acsension as the 'rightful' heir. if they hsd just tied up loose ends and not made the long night into an episode long joke, plus avoided all the retardation from s7 and s6, i believe the ending wouldve been pretty good

  • @toastedt140

    @toastedt140

    Ай бұрын

    ​@Name.exeNotFound-pu1qt The show ending would have been perfectly fine if the characters weren't all brain dead and outlined their reasoning. LF definitely gets out of his element in the North and Sansa flips the table on him. Bran as omniscient tree king works. Dany gets ruthless. Dany can totally justify being a tyrant at this point. When she returns from being lost in the dothraki sea, she has to confront the disease, starvation, and general devastation her leadership style caused. Maybe its because I just reread the last two together, but there's a lot of political talk between the two about having to be ruthless to curb suffering.

  • @Goobywoobygoo

    @Goobywoobygoo

    Ай бұрын

    It’s alright George will never finish writing them…

  • @aamirrazak3467

    @aamirrazak3467

    Ай бұрын

    I do hold out small hope we’ll get winds someday but I’m doubtful. The series is really great I agree

  • @Coalemos

    @Coalemos

    Ай бұрын

    The last season was... Best season ever!

  • @kosmas173
    @kosmas173Ай бұрын

    Beautiful video, thanks for making it!

  • @Tulifm
    @TulifmАй бұрын

    Excellent piece of work, I watch it as a film/documentary. Thank you for all the effort and dedication

  • @AndresGomez-ct7qb
    @AndresGomez-ct7qbАй бұрын

    How TF does a 2 hour video go by so quickly? This guy's essays are so good and flow so well... They really do justice to the topic of talking asoiaf

  • @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

    @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

    Ай бұрын

    omg this really is two hours i thought it was like 30 minutes tops

  • @ferdinandrivera13

    @ferdinandrivera13

    Ай бұрын

    Time flies when you are having fun

  • @brianlowe904
    @brianlowe904Ай бұрын

    Gotta put respect on Jon’s name as a warrior. We were shown in dance that he’s strong enough to rip a spear out of the ground that took 3 or 4 grown men to take. His fight with mance/rattleshirt ended with him wrestling on the ground. It’s a lot closer than anyone remembers. And mance became king by defeating countless opponents while Jon has half the experience. Jon doesn’t fight at the front lines because he’s a bad warrior it’s because that’s stupid. A giant died, and Robb doesn’t go into a fight without a bodyguard group.

  • @danielcurado5261

    @danielcurado5261

    Ай бұрын

    all that was meant is that the books arent the kind of story where you go on the battlefield and start chopping people up left and right just because youre an important character and theyre not (unless youre top tier like Arthur Dayne, Jaime Lannister, Barristan Selmy). If Jon went on the frontlines in battle, he would kill a couple people and then die, in all likelihood

  • @sashimi879

    @sashimi879

    Ай бұрын

    This world isn't real Brian, please wake up. We miss you

  • @brianlowe904

    @brianlowe904

    Ай бұрын

    @@sashimi879 what are you on about?

  • @brianlowe904

    @brianlowe904

    Ай бұрын

    @@danielcurado5261 Shift said Jon was not a warrior two or three times. The comments were made about Jon's apparent lack of skill and I'm saying he is skilled. I just got done watching a two hour video of his its the lightest of light criticism. Shift talked about Jon's training being what turns him into a warrior when thats jon just wanting to fight cause he likes it and thinks he needs to get better. If it was about how the world wasn't made for one man to single-handedly kill 20 people id agree.

  • @danielcurado5261

    @danielcurado5261

    Ай бұрын

    @@brianlowe904 I think he means Jon is not a "great warrior", which is true, and I think he meant it in the context of comparing him to TV Jon specifically. he doesnt have the amount of experience or on-page accomplishments to claim to be a particularly great warrior. we know he is well-trained and at least reasonably skilled for someone without much experience, but there arent any grounds to claim anything beyond that.

  • @lodey
    @lodeyАй бұрын

    BwB Appreciation - another absolute fantastic video.

  • @magnusthechad1709
    @magnusthechad1709Ай бұрын

    This video made me fall in love with the story again, AltShift X never fails to make a high quality GOT/ASOIAF content