What a great interview! Thanks to both of you for straight and informative answers to well chosen questions.The information presented here is of immediate and practical value. Cheers!

Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Thank you!

The best video on topic I have seen. Thanks!

Very interesting - Andrew is a very good speaker. Thanks for posting.

Fantastic information .... thank you!!!

Great video, couple years ago I bought the know your limits steel and got some guys together and I was surprised that most of the 22 rifles that came out were 10/22s with a few older bolt actions and the sport took off quickly. I’ve always been the guy that worked on my firearms until they did what I wanted them to do so we ended up doing things to everyone’s rifles, good tuneups. In the beginning very few people could run the targets clean, after awhile more people did. I recently moved from Florida back to Tennessee to a great range and will begin all over getting people involved. The rifle I use now is the Ruger Custom Competition with a 16X SWFA and it does the trick with value ammo. I’m going to get in touch with Vodoo Gun Works and see what they can do for me. This was a great video, learned a lot. Thank you very much PS Our rifle range goes out to 500 yds, can’t wait to get started.

Just getting involved with the Sport. Very new. Excellent video!!!!!!

Thank you for sharing your wealth of information Sir. You have answered a ton of questions I get as an Appleseed Instructor. I will send them to this video.

Vudoo rifles are awesome. PRS 22 lr are one of the most growing shooting sports out there, because it is actually so affordable, for everyone to shoot.

@cameroneacret7111

3 жыл бұрын

Yea but now that it’s popular price will go up

I love how so much of this is why I shoot airguns so much. Everything from range limitation to transonic stability. Weighing, sizing, cleaning, even lubing ammo. And yes, you can spend too much on airguns too 😂

I used to shoot with an old German Schützen group in the Texas Hill Country. We found various rim thickness gauges that helped a lot with tiny groups. This was 10 rounds, open sight, heavy barrel, usually single shot, open sights, 100 yards. X-ring was the size of a typewriter period, with the 10-ring being about 1 inch.

Cool stuff. I belong to a private range in Ohio and I am trying to get my friends and club members excited about .22 LR match. It's a ton of fun, and great challenge. Thanks for the info.

Dude has goven us incredible data. Thank you

@11:00 - the vintage 27", 26" barrels were for the added sight radius, a benefit to iron sight shooters.

@aerialheights5680

4 жыл бұрын

My old 1937 Winchester 67 has a 27" barrel, I've wondered if that helps or hurts when using standard target ammo.

@K3Flyguy

3 жыл бұрын

@@aerialheights5680 I shoot a vintage long barrel as well. My thoughts are the barrel is well seasoned and likely a very tiny bit open from al the rounds passed through it. The longer sight radius is huge especially for the scopeless rifles back in the day! Most were tack drivers and we'll built. I have an affinity for vintage walnut stocked long barreled .22 's, I've never had one that didn't shoot well!

@aerialheights5680

3 жыл бұрын

@@K3Flyguy I so want to scope it but that would require ruining it's originality by drilling & tapping for a picatinny rail - so I probably won't.

@K3Flyguy

3 жыл бұрын

@@aerialheights5680 my suggestion would be find another shooter with a scope for when your in the mood for glass looking and keep your oldie but goodie for the rest of the time! There are a lot of older good shooters around for little money. Why limit yourself to just one? Lolol good shooting friend!

@aerialheights5680

3 жыл бұрын

@@K3Flyguy I picked up a Winchester Wildcat because it was available when the rest of the shelves were empty, plus I thought it looked kinda' cool. It's now sporting my Nikon 3-12 x 50 BDR scope and I've been able to place 5 rounds of RWS, Geco & Federal Match in a single 3/8" or so hole at a whopping 25 yards! lol - but haven't yet tried 50yds or further. I'll wait until a nice warm Spring day when there's low-to-no wind. Where I go, this time of the year I'm lucky to have only 7-8mph crosswinds. 😒

I'm a smallbore silhouette competitor, so this isn't directly applicable to me. BUT, what truckload of info! Thank you for talking about ammo and cleaning, it certainly gave light to a lot of hocus pocus of perceived procedure in the care and function of the smallbore.

Very good humble guy.

I run 22LR matches to include ELR to 600yds. We have a few Vudoo rifles that show up along with CZ, Ruger, Anschutz, Savage, etc... Its certainly a nice rifle, and I want one, but the other rifles are just as capable.

@lesgallivan4159

4 жыл бұрын

I have used a CZ , have 2 anschutz, and a S&L , friend loves the mark ll savages , but he went to a gun shop with a range and tested every one they had in stock , took the best . Said some were throwing groups 5 times bigger

@ashleynicely1046

3 жыл бұрын

@@lesgallivan4159 My family has four Mark IIs, bought from Bud's, no picking. They all shoot superbly, no dogs. Am I supposed to believe I'm just lucky? Maybe the one's with bad groups simply needed screws tightened...

@lesgallivan4159

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashleynicely1046 never said the off the shelf rifles were poor , just that the one he picked is fantastic, he regularly uses golf balls as targets at 100 yds and I have seen him hit regularly at over 200 .

I’m sure there are some benefits to doing a custom one off build from these guys. But I’ve seen a lot of reviews on there guns and the groups they shoot (which are great). But I’ve been able to shoot the same with the new CZ457 line and a little work to it I did myself. Even created a dope card for it and everything and with my optic it’s spot on at varying distances. I’ve taken it out to 400 yards without a spotter using CCI sub Sonics. I’m sure it could go further but I can’t hear or see a 22 that far out. I just think if you have the money and can afford this then go for it. Shit I’d love one but all that money just for a 22 isn’t worth it to me when my cz457 is a tac driver.

@jerrodpropeck6567

4 жыл бұрын

CZ makes some quality rifles. I have the 455 and had it before the 457 had come out, and love my rifle. I am thinking of getting the 457 as well and drop it in a PDC or MPA chassis. My 455 currently sits in a PDC Custom Chassis and it looks/feels great!

@howtoshootstraighthtss4948

3 жыл бұрын

I rather build a fullbore rifle for the same money.

I have about 3/4 of a box left of Dynamit by RWS from around 1989 and with a (best of 4) Norinco copy of a Browning SA-22 I put 5 rounds into about a .25" hole at 40 yards and still have the target. I was using about a 4-power scope. It seems the new ammo just isn't made to the high quality tight spec of "them olden days" - lol Why I didn't keep that rifle, I do not know 😞

I’ve got a new Bergara BXR/Carbon with a Bentz chamber. Hoping to become proficient at 200-300YDS with this rifle. I’m a huge fan of CCI Mini-Mags, and ELEY when it comes to match grade ammo, hoping it all works out. Looking forward to see what Cutting Edge Bullets drops for .22LR ELR ammo. Big fan of the Ruger 10/22, and Bergara, awesome package!

@kevinbegin123

3 жыл бұрын

I just bought a bxr in steel along with a vortex diamondback tactical 4x16 44. Haven t received it yet. Do you like yours?

The new Bergara B-14R also has controlled round feeding.

@mopar21

3 жыл бұрын

So has CZ... for decades

I was told years ago by a smith at Clarke custom that a13 inch barrel will burn every bit of powder and be very accurate. But obviously can’t have that short of a barrel in most places.

My lowly CZ 452,455, and 457 have controlled round feeding.

@joed3264

4 жыл бұрын

So do mine.

@djohnson1981

3 жыл бұрын

Most 22's do. Even rifles like the 10/22 and Marlin 60.

Good Video.. Does that muzzle brake help the accuracy of the gun ? Or just for show ?

@glutimous

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you missed it but he specifically said he was duplicating his centerfire rifle with this trainer build.

@colbollinger1110

3 жыл бұрын

@Steve It also protects the crown from damage, which is crucial to accuracy. Best Regards and God Bless, Col

love my V22 with 18" MTU barrel, most accurate .22, well, I compared side by side with my previous custom made Sako Quad with Lilja barrel and my mate's Anschutz 1710 HB, if on a bench rest and rear bag with Lapua Center X ammo, basicly all 10 rounds groups are slightly bigger than the diameter of the bullet

@aerialheights5680

4 жыл бұрын

At what distance were you shooting?

@liuxiao5714

4 жыл бұрын

@@aerialheights5680 eagle park range，little river，Vic，AU

@liuxiao5714

4 жыл бұрын

@@aerialheights5680 50-100m

@aerialheights5680

4 жыл бұрын

@@liuxiao5714 What a machine!

27:32 was told years ago by an optics expert not to buy a scope if the eyepiece turns with the power setting.

@aerialheights5680

4 жыл бұрын

Looks like Nightforce has figured it out. I doubt there's the same reason any longer to avoid it if made by a quality manu.

@honda450rider87

3 жыл бұрын

I dont think your optics expert was really an expert then... if you notice the ocular has a jam nut to lock it down once set. Just fyi that nightforce is the cream of the crop. Indestructible, rugged and repeatable ever single time. Look up nightforce torture test videos and you'll see why nightforce is second to none...

Mr. SHooter Opinions: I have a lot of experience in test & measurement systems, and, if you, or your Vudoo guy, or anyone else, is interested in determining primer vs. powder gas generation, I do have some ideas about that... not saying that I'm a .22lr guru, but precision measurement is precision measurement ;-)

@ShooterOpinions

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds interesting. how do we connect with you?

At 36:40 you start talking about breaking in the barrel with 100 rounds or so to remove microscopic burrs. I thought your barrels were hand lapped which should remove the burrs before shooting the first round??

@glutimous

3 жыл бұрын

Barrels are chambered after the hand lapping. Chambering introduces microscopic burrs that a breakin helps remove.

Is the data that he got from shooting the different barrel lengths available somewhere. Like the velocity and groups. I am looking at buying a .22LR for the NRL22 and are torn between a 17" and a 20".

@marinerabbit9441

4 жыл бұрын

There's piles of research on this available on Rimfire Central forum. Barrell length doesn't mean a thing for accuracy in .22 a quality barrel does, it's been proven you get full powder burn with match ammo at 16". Read up on rimfire central don't buy into what you hear from these guys. Some of the most accurate .22 rifles in the world have 24-26" bbls

@jimhamilton3544

4 жыл бұрын

Marine Rabbit p

@L.V-Rider

2 жыл бұрын

​@@marinerabbit9441 Full powder burn doen NOT mean pressure disappear and acceleration stops. It is also dependable on velocity, subsonic will have less powder and burn out quicker than high velocity or even hyper velocity. kzread.info/dash/bejne/nIB3z6OEd9G_aco.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/ppeTsNCYhJSnXco.html

@L.V-Rider

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/nIB3z6OEd9G_aco.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/ppeTsNCYhJSnXco.html

I would like to know what the painted Chassis is in the rifle next to you. Thanks

@JohnKleman1

4 жыл бұрын

The green chassis? It looks like a J Allen Enterprises (JAE) chassis. I think the company went bankrupt though

How was precision affected by 26” barrel? Id imagine being a long precise barrel driving speed subsonic makes them super accurate?

@ShooterOpinions

2 жыл бұрын

velocity drops off at 22 inches but the standard deviations drop almost in half. Personally, I probably would go longer than 22.

Hahahahahaha. People laughed at me because I had a Schmidt and Bender 5-25 on my PSR Rimfire rifle.

What got him on to rimfire bandwagon is the ability to sell $4,500 .22 rifles and have a huge wait list.

@wilfdarr

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure it's one of the reasons, but like he said, you can go through 500 rounds of match grade rim fire and only spend $50 where doing that with centerfire, even reloads, would be closer to $500: 10 weeks at the range and you've paid for that competition 22. Not to mention that 22 barrels last a lot longer than 300winmag or even 6.5CM.

Maybe somebody can help me out and point me to the right direction. I would like to get a bolt action left handed .22 that i can the put in a chassis. There aren’t too many options that i found. Actually none at all.

@ShooterOpinions

3 жыл бұрын

Vudoo does both right and left hand builds.

At 31:21 you say "folks that make out actions for us" I thought you made your own actions in house? I also thought you made the ACE barrels in house but you don't do that either??

@mopar21

3 жыл бұрын

When I see a Vudoo take an Olympic medal, I'll take the seriously. Until then Anschütz.

Need a lay-away program for the working man.....

@ShooterOpinions

5 жыл бұрын

I believe they have an "unofficial" program if you call the office.

Andrew looks a lot like Scott Miller from Miller Brothers Blades. Not a twin but reminds me of Scott. Perhaps they could work out a trade, knives for guns. Both products are awesome and near the top of their respective fields.

Videos that do not show target results are pretty much a word salad to me. I watch videos all the time on 22lr rifle accuracy, and even match shooting targets that have 25 bulls show bullets from $3500 rifles wandering from clipping one side of the x ring to the other side to the top and bottom. That's around a .3" 50 yard group. If anyone has examples of better performance on youtube, please steer me there. I have three rifles I consider 'target' rifles, all have their factory stocks; one is a 45 year old Remington Matchmaster, one is a Savage Mark II FVSR, and the other is a Savage Mark II FV. When I'm paying attention, all will shoot .25 to .4" five shot groups at 50 yards consistently, from bipods or bags. As I said, all have factory stocks (the Remington is wood, the Savages are plastic), albeit with Cheek pieces added. The only ammo I shoot is CCI standard velocity. I wouldn't know where to look to find a lot number, and after tens of thousands of shots, I haven't found a brick that doesn't shoot well. My daughter has a Savage Mark II BTVS with a Boyd's stock (factory supplied from Savage) and she gets similar performance. These are well made but relatively inexpensive rifles. I have yet to see evidence that pouring more money into them either from upgrades or ammo or more expensive rifles is going to make a difference in performance. Again, if you've seen something on KZread that disputes this, please let me know, I'm ready to learn better.

@ashleynicely1046

4 жыл бұрын

@ncsam 000000 The turbo cost too much for me to do that. However, since you're already done it, you say, perhaps you can show me. I still haven's seen anything like what you're talking about on youtube. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place. Can you suggest some videos to show me what I'm missing?

@ashleynicely1046

4 жыл бұрын

@ncsam 000000 You are some kind of special shooter, ncsam. Eley couldn't come close to your results with massive indoor testing of the Vudoo with their best ammo. Your .1" and lower is stunningly better than they can do. Want to see what a Vudoo does in reality, unfiltered by perception? Look for yourself. Good tight groups, but not much better than I get with my rifles, but then, I'm outdoors, not in a 50M tunnel. Their consistency is outstanding, but then I shoot cheaper ammo than they do. Group wise, they're getting about .3" on average, once you subtract .224" from their outside to outside measurements. forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/vudoo-gun-works-v-22-accuracy-test-by-eley.3935720/ You should contact them, show them how it's done.

@long-dongvonbraun501

4 жыл бұрын

ashley nicely sharpshooteruk and 22LRPrecisionShooter both have videos of sorting ammo, also with targets. It's all about weighing and measuring rim thickness, then sorting accordingly. If you have ocd you'll want to measure oal and bullet diameter also

How much for the Carbon Fiber Stock Rifle? let us know. Also what is the Accuracy of the Rifle at 25 yards, 50 yards and 100 yards. Thanks all

@luxsteelshooters

4 жыл бұрын

A alternative would certainly be a PSE Composites Stock for Rem700 or the Tikka. We have 2 of them and love them!

@johnd8098

2 жыл бұрын

Anybody have a link to the carbon fiber stock maker in this? Couldn’t find All Composites stocks.

It's only new to the new crowd. The old guys been doing most of this stuff for many years, truely they have. You didn't know this because we they spend time shooting and very little time Facebooking.

@goosecouple

2 жыл бұрын

And talking politics while shooting.

First,!!!! but i still couldn't afford the rifle :(

@gfdfperte4248

5 жыл бұрын

Yes you can You just do not want it that bad. What I find troubling is that no one says how accurate the rifle is. Now that is Funny

Kidd says their most accurate barrel (inside 100yd) is 10" .920 - stiffness matters. Second best is 18". Not sure what's he's talking about regarding long range. Been shooting 400+ yards with a .22 for 20 years. I guess the difference is us old timers did it for fun because we could. Not for competition and Instagram. Turbo Actions have bee making similar actions for at least six years, Vudoo is nothing new to the game, just another approach to the same problem.

@lynndragoman1573

3 жыл бұрын

You can't mention Turbo actions to the tacticooool crowd or they lay in the fetal position and cry

That thumbnail Is when he heard Bergara. Is making a hmr in 22lr. DA FUK 😫😩😫

vudoo is to 10/22 is what zev is to glocks. you don’t need to spend all that money to get excellent results

@ashleynicely1046

4 жыл бұрын

Jojo, off the line the 10/22 is not an accurate rifle. It is a dependable rifle. It cost another thousand to make it accurate and not much is left of the original. As a pistol, the Glock is not a 10/22.

I shoot a 50 cal at 22 matches. Just kidding. I will be glad when this cronivirous stuff is over. I would love to get involved in 22 rim fire competition. I have a cz 455 rifle and a cheep 200.00 dollor scope on it. It's got the Tactical stock also. I used to compete in pistol matches. I really enjoyed it.

Why the laughing with each question

@jamessurber853

2 жыл бұрын

He thinks his questions are funny.

Funny how he talks about the Voodoo like it is the pinnacle of 22LR yet it is still not as accurate as the Anschutz rifles. Especially the bench rest versions!

If the barrel is lapped it should not have any machine marks.

@sswmetalhead

4 жыл бұрын

i think that the lapping only hits the lands and not the grooves.

"Extreme" long range 😂 Tactical 22 for extreme long range scenarios.

@ShooterOpinions

3 жыл бұрын

there is a guy in AL that consistently getting hits over 1000 yards. I think his best is 1250 yards with 3 or 4 hits out of 10 on a 36 inch plate.

@devinmoran59

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShooterOpinions thats amazing. I just think this community is funny 😄 They got me though im for sure gonna buy some 22's and see what I got. Cheers brotha

Lmfao

The interviewers nervous laugh gets irritating

I could not help noticing how you seem to be talking down to Mr. Workman. Your laughing while asking questions, and lack of knowledge about gauging the rims of ammunition, weighing each round, etc.., was also annoying. You may not think very much of rimfire shooters, they are not with the " big boys " in center fire, but they can shoot long distance too.

@long-dongvonbraun501

4 жыл бұрын

Stillwater62 ## I was just about to say the exact same thing. He must not care about accuracy but rather tacticool or I payed 5k for this custom 22. I kept wanting to smack him so hard his hat would fly off

@goosecouple

2 жыл бұрын

True. I noticed that as well. The interviewer is a jerk.

So he say Vudoo started the ELR shooting with a .22LR. Another Bull $ story. Others did it long before it became popular with different brands of rifles.

lmfao a 2-3k 22 lr ahahhahahhahah 2020 whats next

Guessing he does not know the .22 LR was designed for black powder. The interviewer knows nothing about guns.

"Vudoo Gun Works is the top .22 precision rifle maker in the USA. " You can't prove or verify that statement, it's silly.

@sethrich5998

3 жыл бұрын

You can verify it by what pros are actually using in NRL22. The Vudoo is the most used in those competitions.

@ashleynicely1046

3 жыл бұрын

@@sethrich5998 That's not proof of top rifle, it's proof that pros use it. Maybe that's what you meant. Maybe Vudoo subsidizes them, lost of weapon manufacturers do.

@howtoshootstraighthtss4948

3 жыл бұрын

Yup a voodoo may have the best custom looks. And thats it. I like to see how accurate they are. Be nice if they can show it.

@joecapelli6454

3 жыл бұрын

Recently, at a local match we had a guy win the annual 22LR 50 yd. Benchrest Championship with a Vudoo Repeater vs. high end Anschutz and other custom built BR rifles. They were shooting off expensive 1-piece rests, and he was shooting off a bean bag.

Lol sorry to burst yalls bubble but people were shooting extreme long range with 22lr even before you guys were born, yet before you guys even thought about making the v22

@gfdfperte4248

5 жыл бұрын

Correct, nothing new, the wheel just keeps turning

@daverodkey

4 жыл бұрын

@@gfdfperte4248 Zackley... But NOW they are tagged "Precision Rifle". And need to be mortgaged.

@deanvarelas5311

4 жыл бұрын

examples please. I'm not looking for examples of Billy Bob shooting across a pond. give an example yalls!!

@ashleynicely1046

4 жыл бұрын

@@deanvarelas5311 Not going to be examples of long range 22lr on KZread, skeptic, as it was not invented before Al Gore ran for president, but more present day, and not using anything considered custom made guns, try this for 375, 500, 700, 720, and 900 yard shooting with 22lr. Could be you'll consider them "Billy Bobs" and there is a pond in one of the vids... kzread.info/dash/bejne/hpeKm9ifpJyzZrg.html

like uh yea i just want like uh gun stuff uhh buy a two thousand dollar 22 rifle from us cuz uhh like i believe uhhhh

@wilfdarr

3 жыл бұрын

You can shoot 500 rounds of match grade 22 for $50. Shooting 500 rounds would cost you $500: 10 trips to the range and you've easily paid for this rifle. It's not your thing, that's fine, but your comment shows a clear lack of ability to see the bigger picture.

The reason why they have gone away from using chrono at muzzle end, is because down range, the errors "appear" to be reduced. Im thinking they want to cover up, mask ammunition inconsistencies and they want better statistics. By having a chrono near the muzzle, it tells the truth. And the truth hurts sometimes. They cannot make the ammunition accurate enough, and price you are paying for MATCH ammo is ridicules anyway. Every manufacturer wants to look good on paper, and by moving the chrono downrange, it is going to give them those biased figures to make them and their ammo look good. Sorry, i disagree with the idea of moving the chrono down range, as it is masking errors in the ammunition and that is NOT what you want. Bottom line is, they need to make better MATCH ammo, and it looks like this is really challenging them, so they are fiddling with the figures to make them look much better than what they really are.

Rule of thumb, if you always clean your barrel after you shoot you will never run into accuracy problems, don’t be that loser that has a safe full of dirty uncleaned or unlubed firearms

So this guy also believe in the .22LR transonic destabilisation myth. Bull $.