Man, if FSD can make it in NYC, it can make it anywhere

@catbert7

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, it's still unable to handle much simpler things in my area, so it's not as simple as being able to drive everywhere if it can drive in a complicated place. But it's very impressive.

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

Where are you?

@kevinr8431

2 ай бұрын

@@BenSchippers I’m in Florida but used to work in nyc

@DerekDavis213

2 ай бұрын

FSD was just reviewed in Toronto Canada, and it had lots of problems in that very busy city.

that drive would of stressed me out if i was driving lol.... FSD did really well

Thank you for posting this video its very helpful to make my decision today to order one. It cleared all the doubts I had.

@catbert7

2 ай бұрын

There's never been a better time to buy a Tesla - right before it becomes truly robotaxi-capable. Anyone buying any other brand right now is just throwing massive money in the fire.

Great video. It made 100s of decisions with only one error and in a difficult and long drive. It's getting there. Very positive.

@catbert7

2 ай бұрын

Well, there were arguably around 4 errors, since it made a couple illegal maneuvers from wrong lanes, and ran over a lot of potholes, and potentially clipping another vehicle is a pretty huge mistake... but, yes, it was extremely impressive otherwise. It's so strange how it masters the most complex scenarios and then messes up on something like turning between two cars.

I’ve been using FSD 12.3.3 a couple of weeks now. The car obeys all traffic laws, and usual won’t go through yellow lights, except once when the car was to close to intersection and had no choice but to run it or get us rear ended. One thing I’ve noticed while not using FSD. FSD actually has trained me to be more observant to traffic around me, signal more and drive safer. The car has taught me to become a better driver. So even if FSD never becomes full level 4. FSD as it is, will save lives today. 👍🏻👍🏻

@catbert7

2 ай бұрын

Teaching someone (or something) else always deepens and solidifies your own knowledge and skills. One of the things I love about teaching.

A lot of people reviewing FSD will always say "I would not have done that, I would have gone past the yellow, I would have sped up, I would have exited earlier, etc.," and while fair, they gotta realize that FSD isn't designed for what works for you 100% of the time. It's designed to do what most people are doing. If you want to get from A to B the quickest and trust your driving skills and don't mind going over the speed limit, yes, you're probably going to beat the Tesla FSD at arriving at your location. Just don't know why people bring it up. You're evaluating the software's ability to drive - not what you would do personally.

@geekimusprime

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, it’s like AI in Chess or Go. A lot times the AI will make moves that a human would not make, but it ends up being a better move. Not saying FSD is at that point yet, but that’s the idea.

@DerekDavis213

2 ай бұрын

@@geekimusprime FSD is currently a simple minded Level 2 assistant, with lots of interventions. Chess? Don't compare FSD to Deep Blue!

@Mortyh25

2 ай бұрын

Yep. You’re just a passenger paying to get somewhere.

@fr5229

2 ай бұрын

@@DerekDavis213Lmao are you joking or just ignorant

@DerekDavis213

2 ай бұрын

@@fr5229 Why do you think I'm ignorant? I work in IT, I am an excellent driver with 20 years of experience, and I have watched about 40 FSD videos on KZread.

I'm from Europe/Sweden ❤🇸🇪 and New York feels more European ❤ then all the other cities I Watch FSD videos from. This is a great step towards not be bothered with driving at all. We are now waiting for next update 😂

Dude you have balls to trust it like that. Don’t think I could do that. Did amazing though.

Very good video.

Great video Ben.Thanks for sharing. I live in Astoria and I know how daunting it could be to drive anywhere in NYC. But the car and the latest version of FSD handled it really good.

Awesome video. Tq so much to make the vid as not much fsd vid came from nyc

Thank you for the video Ben. Yes more of the same or similar please as new FSd iterations are released.

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

Sure. Thanks.

#incrediblybold 😃- you have a great demeanor for FSD testing with a soothing voice. Looking forward to more of your drives.

I enjoyed the narrative and found it informative

Lol i do the same drives around Brooklyn and surprised it didn't move to the right lane when it knew there was a left turn coming up. It had a few chances to merge to the right lane to anticipate that left turn and am just surprised it drove straight on a red light (When the green left light was on). I think you should have disengaged and did the voice prompt to let them know. Good content and have subscribed! Keep it up and i'm just always impressed with how 12.3.4 has been handling my Brooklyn commutes.

Very good video. The performance of the new version of FSD in New York is a bit beyond my imagination. FSD performed very well. By the way, can you record a video of FSD driving in Manhattan, New York? Road conditions in Manhattan are notoriously difficult, and I'd really like to know if FSD can drive smoothly in the center of Manhattan. Thank you very much.

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

I will be doing hard but run routes in Manhattan soon.

Insane 🤯

I’m near cold spring harbor Long Island, deep in the busy suburbs. This thing does great in heavy traffic, stop and go, with buses, double Parkers, bikes, pedestrians, on long loopy ramps, incredibly narrow lanes, all sorts of stuff. Amazing improvements lately

Awesome video. Makes me very hopeful to see this on my 2017 MS with HW3 as well. Keep them coming because in these conditions, thats where it really shows. Please add when you need to nudge the accelerator or take over so its clear where it trips up. Maybe time stamp it or have an on screen counter.

If you get a chance. Take a ride through Chinatown. I got a 2016 ms with fsd but I’m on mcu1 so don’t have access. Have hw3 and upgraded cams last year but no release for us. I live about a hour north of nyc but down that way quite a bit. This vid making me wanna get that mcu2 upgrade. Great job.

🔥🔥🔥

That is amazing. Thank you for sharing. How well will FSD support lit up emergency vehicles with or without sirens blaring coming up from the rear to 1) pull you over and 2) to overtake you?

love your trip through NY thanks.. you must be fairly young.. graveley voice.. argh! It's not you it's me! old guy :)

A tough ride but well mastered by FSD

DId you have any issues being in a left turn lane with a red arrow, and red straight arrows. Then the straight arrows turn green, the left arrow is still red, and the car thinks it is green and goes? Also noticed thi sissue when not in FSD, it will chime when the straight turns green and left arrow is still red.

That was a tough test even for this neighborhood where I drive all the time. The way it went confidently between the two double parked trucks I thought was particularly impressive. Already better than human.

Flatbush/Atlantic/Parkside can be a challenge, maybe more of that?

Holy shit that left @ 21:25 was amazing

what hw suite are you running ?

Can’t wait to finally have it, im stuck on 2024.8.9 for now

@therealpropad1270

2 ай бұрын

same, 23 model 3 here

how do we get this update in NYC? im still stuck on the crappy 11.1

FSD needs a Bansal mode for NYC 😅

NYC Chinatown to Flushing maybe.

I would be impressed if FSD could drive down 8th Ave near 60th St on a weekend. That should be the driving test that grants NYC driver's licenses.

Also , surprised the navigation took you through Flatbush instead of Eastern parkway for a much shorter trip. Car did amazingly well though for most of the tough spots , especially near grand army plaza. It's almost as if you are watching a safe driver that just got their license and just being patient when they aren't going around slower traffic , which is still fine.

This is great. I have a challenge for you. Night time drive. Rainy Williamsburg up through Manhattan to UWS. As if it was a taxi ride to the city to see a friend.😊

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

I like it! Will try next week.

@Jonnyrockin71

2 ай бұрын

@@BenSchippers do an opening narration traveling over the bridge then speed up the video so it’s a 10 minutes drive uptown. Lay down a soundtrack track like midnight Cowboy or Warriors. Or better yet. The theme song from the 1980 TV series Taxi Looking forward to it!

Wow, I really need that in Germany.

BMW went thru on yellow. FSD stopped while light was yellow.

Was it set to assertive?

Very impressive. Did it convince you to sign up for 99$ a month?

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

I already bought it when purchased the car many years ago..:)

okay. wow. sure it has some work to do. but damn!

Is it model X or S?

FSD 12.3.4 is awesome but have you seen any glitches on route 25? Here in Nassau/Suffolk, the Jericho Turnpike route 25 signs are recognized as speed limit signs, and there are a ton of them.

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

Haven't gone there. Mostly focused in NYC.

@DerekDavis213

2 ай бұрын

FSD is not smart enough to read signs. Another FSD review shows that it ignores DO NOT ENTER, and ROAD CLOSED signs. FSD is a simple minded Level 2 assistant.

Great video and narrative. Awesome FSD performance on the chill mode. To me, living in a European capital city, traffic is much more familiar. Many people noticed that this version does not like to go through yellow light, so I think it will be addressed soon. Also not following lane directions and borders seem to be common, and it looks like AI does not have an idea about breaking the traffic rules and getting tickets. No idea how to train it, but I guess at some point Tesla will need to. Can't wait for more from NY areas.

@Daneelro

2 ай бұрын

You wanto to train it to get tickets? I can't decide if you're using sarcasm.

@Kaipiso

2 ай бұрын

@@Daneelro Well, it is more like a reward vs punishment system. Reward points are for smooth ride, short time, avoiding bumps, and anything that shakes the car too much, etc. Punishment points are for not obeying traffic rules, speeding, collisions, making other drivers or pedestrians uneasy, etc. That is one of many approaches, no idea what Tesla does. But in general, AI trains towards some metrics and goals. Chance of getting a ticket can be one of the metrics.

Was it on assertive mode?

That disengagement, the car was ready to go, I think hitting the acceleration pedal would also work. But anyway very nice to see FSD works well in NYC. Looking forward to see how it performs in Manhattan.

@catbert7

2 ай бұрын

Going was not the problem. The problem was that it was turning so tightly to the adjacent vehicle that it might have collided.

Unprotected left on Canal St ='s gold standard! Do it, and I'm getting it.

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

I'll do it during rush hr this week.

@bradstewart7007

2 ай бұрын

From which street?

I follow you on TezLab I believe. Didn't know you had a youtube channel. I live in Fairfield, CT. If you're ever around let me know.

Damn

Do you have it on chill, average or assertive? If on chill, it might have been why it stayed in the left only lane at around 6:00. Also please get a camera mount for everyone's safety :)

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

I'm going to shift to assertive for my next drive.

@anonymgoogle-bruger9741

2 ай бұрын

@@BenSchippers yes I saw in the end of the video, forgot to edit the reply. I saw other people having issues with the car not wanting to change lanes which disappeared when they went from chill to average. Thanks for your videos, they are highly appreciated now that California basically just works. It's good with some more challenging roads, keep up the good work and good commentary !

@andrebillups4079

2 ай бұрын

This is true. In assertive it switches lanes like crazy. When I’m Ubering passengers I use chill mode, when I’m driving myself in crazy traffic I use average because I find it tries to change lanes too much in assertive mode, but if it’s clear outside I’m in assertive mode all the time and it’s more fun too lol

Highlights: 5:40: Slow and illegal straight through intersection, after getting stuck in turn lane. 9:15: Runs over series of potholes. 10:50: Waits for truck blocking intersection, then makes a right turn from wrong lane, followed by confusion on lane selection. 16:35: Roundabout #1 handled well, despite human-controlled SUV cutting into lane, then cutting back through 2 more lanes... 17:55: Weird intersection handled very well, despite missing lane lines. 21:07: Natural selection showing enormously generous restraint with this pedestrian. 21:20: Aggressive PL on Yellow/Red light. 21:45: Aggressive UPL, through narrow gap created by curteous drivers, at very backed-up intersection; DE on sketchy turn that was too close to vehicle. 24:35: Intervention of acceleration at UPL. 26:50: Forced to stop mid-turn. Well handled. 28:00: Intervention to increase speed. 29:35: Changes route (to avoid traffic?), then abandons UPL (due to another route change?), then makes aggressive pass around stopped traffic at intersection. 30:45: Navigates super messed-up lane markings. 31:25: Aggressive UPL. 32:05: Passes FedEx truck parked in road, then same with van. 33:40: Navigates weird intersection. 35:35: Not bothered by pedestrian entering crosswalk in path, nor by pedestrian walking parallel to lane edge after, nor by construction-blocked lane, nor by pedestrian in lane. Wow. 36:45: It's been making these moves on CHILL!? 😳 38:05: Proceeds through intersection before pedestrian has finished clearing crosswalk. 39:05: No hesitation passing parked truck in rather narrow area. 40:00: Proceeds through intersection before crossing pedestrian has fully exited road, then no hesitation passing pedestrian in road. 40:20: Not bothered by car backing into on-street parking. 40:35: No hesitation passing parking van. 41:10: Completes left turn through intersection, while light is red, after interrupted by pedestrian. 41:40: No hesitation in pretty narrow road. Wow, very impressive drive. Unfortunate that it was robbed of being robotaxi-level by the significant issue of potentially crashing into a car... but, otherwise 🙃 So many complex scenarios handled with perfection. Kinda frustrating to see it still failing at what should be the easiest tasks - e.g. planning a turning arc that does not intersect with another car ;p Thanks for doing these. Fascinating to see it in this lively environment! 💙

And this is a few years old car too

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

Hardware 3.

How is driving through red an option in the US? Is it a New York thing?

@Shameer..

2 ай бұрын

If you're in the intersection before it turns red you're allowed to finish getting through, green light still has to yield to those in the intersection.

@Shameer..

2 ай бұрын

And most places besides NYC you can turn right on red after stopping

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

Also, it's just an NYC thing. Very aggressive here. If not, you never move.

Did u use the accelerator?

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

Not really.

@RobertLoPinto

2 ай бұрын

​@@BenSchippersHuh? Yes you did. You even announced it and called it "gas".

@DerekDavis213

2 ай бұрын

@@BenSchippers If you used accel pedal, that means that FSD *cannot* drive the car by itself. Intervention.

인간의 이기심을 이길 수 있을까

New York Citaay…

마지막 도로 양쪽 주차.....미쳤네....fsd 구독 좀 해라. 미국인들아. 뭐하노.

Please test in manhattan too thanks!!

@DerekDavis213

2 ай бұрын

Another channel Black Tesla has already tested in Manhattan. Multiple interventions were required.

@George2647g

2 ай бұрын

@@DerekDavis213 I figure the more testing there the better...

@DerekDavis213

2 ай бұрын

@@George2647g You and I could drive in any city in America. No problem, and no accidents. FSD, without supervision, is nowhere even close to a human driver!

It completely failed when someone else was doing this in manhattan. It's not ready yet.

5:45 was basically running a red light on purpose. I my country that would be a very high fine or loss of driving license. How bad training made FSD going wrong.

I suspect the software will boot up one day and realize that driving would be a ton easier if all of these people weren't around.

tl;dw Any disengagement/intervention timestamps?

What if YOU where the FSD and the one behind the wheel , your WIFE 🤩😄

Better than 99% of human drivers. That's a lot to deal with, and FSD can think fast and react fast with the abundance of AI chips inside.

@DerekDavis213

2 ай бұрын

A human can drive for years without an accident. FSD couldn't drive even 1 day in challenging conditions, without human help.

WHY ADD CAPTIONS WHEN CC WILL DO IT?

Why not just use auto speed and then speed it up if you need?

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

Doesn't really fix the issue.

@DeepValueOptions

2 ай бұрын

@@BenSchippers it’s the most hands free approach, just can’t slow the bot down which sucks

22:10 i think fsd was doing better than your decision. it was about to make it through. you hesitated fsd didnt. hope u didnt report that

@gamersu2904

2 ай бұрын

totally agree with sth.

I'm more surprised by how bad driving in NYC is

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

Very bad and hard.

Unbelievably foolish to even own a car in NYC, one day people will realize that...

how long until we see drivers sleeping in the front a la tesla autopilot 5 years ago? I say within the year.. some idiot gonna do it

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

haha. I hope not.

Ben why is it that you're getting superhuman driving and some people are getting 90 IQ driving in their videos? Are they being disengenious in your opinion of FSD? Thanks

@BenSchippers

2 ай бұрын

I wish it were superhuman. Still a lot of work to be done. I've been using FSD versions for years so it's very easy for me to see the progression.

@charliedoyle7824

2 ай бұрын

A good human driver goes about one million miles, more than a lifetime of driving, without causing a serious accident. Superhuman driving would be something like being able to drive over ten million miles without a problem. A few miles in Brooklyn with a few disengagements and likely some accelerator help isn't quite superhuman.

@davidborg2342

2 ай бұрын

@@charliedoyle7824 This driving was amazing. Perhaps not superhuman but definitely on the right path

@charliedoyle7824

2 ай бұрын

@@davidborg2342 sure, FSD progress shows it is on the right path. Taking the first steps of a marathon is on the right path too. That doesn't mean it's almost there. Any robotaxi driver will need to make tens of thousands of safe trips in a row, just to be in the game and get a first driverless license in a city.

@davidborg2342

2 ай бұрын

@@charliedoyle7824 That's not true, Waymo were operational as soon as they got the regulatory go ahead.

Wow the vocal-fry is obnoxious

@Supreme_Lobster

2 ай бұрын

Shut up

@aguzman222

2 ай бұрын

That’s unfortunate- very few FSD 12.3.4 videos of downtown NYC - he can definitely speak without it so maybe he picks this up for next time

Wow surprised you had it on chill mode in NYC tbh lol, figured it’d be on assertive from the get go.. 🥲