From the Bench -- Tire Swap for Easier Landings with the E-flite P-51 Mustang 1.5m
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The tires and suspension on the E-flite P-51 Mustang 1.5m are quite hard and so accomplishing nice soft landings with the airplane can be pretty challenging. Well, I swapped out the stock tires with Robart 3.5" diameter tires and the result was a night and day difference in the landing characteristics. The tires are quite soft and so as a result, I found the airplane was far less prone to bouncing and would stick even those less than perfect landings. So, I thought it would be worthwhile to put together a short video on this quick and simple tire swap. Also, if you want to know more about this model, check out my full review here: • From the Field -- E-fl...
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I started lubing all my planes wheels. What a difference it has made just taking off...
Just picked up this plane !! I’m definitely doing this ! Thanks Chris for sharing your tips and tricks ! Stay awesome 😎
@Thercgeek
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Enjoy the p-51. 😊
@andystoybox1723
2 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek oooooh yeaaah!!
Thanks so much for this video. I have not flown my new P-51 yet, due in part to the hard wheels/tires. I had been looking for an alternative set when I saw your video and have now ordered the Robarts. I do believe I could hammer in 16 penny spikes with the stock tires. HH/E-Flite would do well to consider putting decent tires on their models.
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
I love the Robart tires and they’ve been a staple in the hobby for a long time. I use them on most all of my airplanes when I can.
Great video and terrific information. Thank you for your commitment to providing innovation for RC airplanes. I always look forward to your videos and closely watch for new releases from you!
@Thercgeek
12 күн бұрын
Thanks so much!
The stock hard tires on mine handles the grass strip just fine. I’m sure this is more needed for people flying off of pavement. I will consider this in the future. Thanks Chris.
@Thercgeek
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that makes sense. On asphalt, those hard tires do make smooth landings more challenging.
Great video Chris. I did the same thing on one of my planes but used heat shrink tubing instead of masking tape.
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
Ah, that’s a good idea! I didn’t think of using heat shrink.
agreed. perhaps if you have sway with Eflite, you could mention this trend. The Pitts Special 850mm also has rock hard tires
That's great. I did the same on my F4U Corsair, 1200mm from e-Flite. I replaced with soft rubber wheels.
Excellent video and so simple. Thanks
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
Awesome job Chris 👊🏼👊🏼👍🏼🤓
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
A man after my own way of thinking. Improvise Adapt Overcome. I did just about the same thing once with the Ultimate2. AirHammer out!!
I've been doing the same thing!! We might be related. I've got soft leggo wheels on my Trojan they work great 👍
I felt a better solution was to use the stock wheel for the Robart tire. The stock wheel is loose in the Robart tire. But you can assemble and on one side glue in place. Then on the opposing side, after the glue has set, fill in with hot glue. The stock wheels have bearings and are really smooth. It just needs a better tire. This has worked really well for me. Trying to get the Robart assemblies to work was just cumbersome and disappointing.
Man need this for the viper!! Eflite tires are stiff
Great tip 👍🏻
Thanks Chris, is it worth doing this for grass takeoffs? Is there any merit adjusting the gear spring rate?
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’ll hurt. Generally grass will be much more forgiving since it’s softer.
Thanks so much Chris! You explained it very well so that even someone mechanically challenged such as myself can do it. When I pulled the first c clip off it went flying 8 feet away but I found it! I put the aluminum tube in a vise to hold it while I sawed off the little piece needed - got it too tight and bent the aluminum - but got it right in the end. Test flight went good with the new tires no more bounce. Are you using just a little tilt of the aileron to do that one wheel first landing ?
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
So glad you found this helpful! Giving just a touch of aileron near the touchdown should help get it one wheel first. It takes practice but it really does help soften the touchdown quite a bit.
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, and I know the feeling of c clips flying across the shop, haha! Glad you found it! I’ve not been so lucky in other instances. 🤣
Nice video
Awesome vid
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
I hear the RC car guys talk about using liquid wrench or WD-40 to soften their tires and I wonder if it would work on plane tires as well?
@Thercgeek
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve never heard of that. The issue is the material type the stock tires are a hard foam type, so not sure if that would help or not.
Hi. i got a question for you. Are the tires the same diameter of the originals? Thanks. great channel
@Thercgeek
Ай бұрын
Thanks! The diameter is the same, yes.
Great stuff, keep it up! Alas, how many airplanes do you have and do you like electric, gas/nitro or turbines the best?
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! You know, the number of airplanes is always a fluctuating number. 😉. My preference as a whole is scale airplanes. I tend to lean towards electric mostly, but have flown them all. I really like to push the limits of what can be done with scale electric jets in competition. That’s a difficult challenge.
@915TRXZR2
3 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek More scale, more better! Also what would you say is the best P-51D right now, I really like the eflite with the inner gear doors and retractable tail wheel with doors, but what do you think?
Hi Chris, I have 3200 6S already do you think I could use them in the P 51 with out having to add lead? Also what kind of flight time with the 3200 do you think I could get 4 minutes?
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
With the right throttle management, I think you could get 4 minutes. Cg may be difficult without adding weight to the nose.
Hey Chris,you mentioned reference books dayco productions on the f14. Am getting the name right, can't seem to find it, thanks...
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
This is the book. It’s an incredible resource for the f14. Tons of detail pics. store.spruebrothers.com/searchresults.asp?searching=Y&sort=7&search=F%2D14&show=90&page=1&brand=DACO
@TexasDocMiller
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks... appreciated very much.
Hi Chris! Do you think this mod might work for the FMS P51?
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I’m sure it would!
Would the soft tires make it tuff on speed on a grass take off?
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
I’d think it would help actually. The tires will help reduce the bounce from the grass while also increase the tire contact area.
After 4 months, I am still waiting for a functional set of landing gear. HH sent me 3 pairs...none worked. I showed them the volts going into the motor control board at 5v and coming out at .5v...they acknowledged the boards needed to be redesigned...maybe I will get something by mid June...not holding my breath...
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
Dang, I’m sorry to hear that! I hope that they get you squared away soon
Hello, Chris 👋🏼 where did you get the wheel collars? This is a mod I’ll surely have to do. What about that new FW-190? Are the shaft diameters the same as this P-51?
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
The wheel collars a grabbed from my spares box, but they’re available from dubro products. I’m pretty sure the axle diameters are the same between the mustang and the wulf.
@chrislefty9354
3 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek Thanks, Chris! Sorry for all of the questions, I am a complete noob with the mods. I typically just fly stock out of the box. For the wheel collars, I am assuming 1/4" since that is the diameter of the wheel axles?
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t recall the size I used, but the diameter specified corresponds to the diameter of the hole for the axle. So it’s probably closer to 3/16”. I think the axle diameter is 4mm if I remember right.
I have this same plane on take off it goes hard left anything I can do to help with that ..I also did the wheels today lands much better
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
Make sure that the wheels both spin equally free, otherwise it will exacerbate that. Generally though, the airplane does require being active on the rudder during takeoff and quick applications of power will cause it to pull hard too.
@rickycochran4115
4 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek ok thanks I'm still super new with flying .but so far I'm loving it
Hi.. Did you try swapping the rims out.. did one last night to try and it is possible... but do not know if safe to do
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
So long as the tires remain secure, it should be ok. Do the rims fit inside the robart wheels?
@Paramanch36
3 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek yes. Used à knife to ease in.. might put small hot glue in a few places
Hey Chris, you did a review of the FMS 1400mm P51 a while ago, which do you prefer? E flite or FMS.
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
Truth be told, this eflite flies far better than my fms ever did. It just feels more solid in the air to me than my fms.
@p51dgp91
4 жыл бұрын
The RC Geek Have you still got the FMS Chris?
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
I ended up giving it to my friend Ken Wagner who owns full scale Lady Alice.
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The big Carbon Z T-28 has the same issue. The tires in most of the newer airplanes are garbage.
Thanks Chris! I just got this plane and have been hearing about the landing issues so this sounds like a good fix. However, I found a 3.5" Robart tire that specifies "Low Bounce", and I think another one that doesn't...which do you recommend? And speaking of weird ground issues on landings, I know you reviewed the Eflite FW-190 and it also has some landing/ground handling issues that stump me. I got their replacement soft tires and I found landing with half flaps made a difference, but it really wants to ground loop. Did you have any thoughts about it? Could it be related to their super bearings in their wheels? (You're the engineer, so help please!!!) Thanks again!! Rob
@Thercgeek
Жыл бұрын
You want the robart part number 118 for the straight tread and part number 137 for the diamond tread. Either will work just fine. The fw190 can definitely be challenging. The issue comes if there is any kind of side load imparted at the wheel due to the inward canted angle of the strut they’ll tend to grab. So, it’s really important to touch down as straight as possible without any kind of side slip. If you can land it on dirt or grass, it will be a lot easier to manage vs asphalt.
@robmerriman36
Жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek Sorry Chris, but I want to get this right...I ordered a 3.5" Robart wheel/tire from Motion RC, but it shows as part #116. After your reply, I found the item on the Robart site, but part #118 comes up as a 4" wheel. Can you confirm please? Also, when I shopped for 1/4" in tubing there were so many choices...do you have the ID and OD specs? Thanks for your patience!
@Thercgeek
Жыл бұрын
Yes, you’re correct, #116. I misread the site apparently. For the tubing, you want k&s metals 1/4” thin wall tubing.
@robmerriman36
Жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek Thanks for the prompt reply Chris...Merry Christmas!
Will 3-1/4 size wheel not 3.5 be ok ? Horizon don’t post to me
@Thercgeek
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, that’ll be fine.
Ps. Rake the mains forward.. add some tail weight correct to cg!! All things considered.. Same thing with the spitfire..
Chris,, Can you help? 3/16 wheel collars do not work. question, what size wheel collar did you use ?
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t recall the size, but the axle is metric. I’ll usually drill out a wheel collar that’s too small if I need to. Is the 3/16” too small?
@robertglenn8759
3 жыл бұрын
yes, I was going to order 7/32 or 1/4 inch
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
1/4” will be too large as that’s the OD of the tubing. I think the wire is 4mm. You might look for a metric collar. Or, just simply drill out the collar to the necessary size you need.
@robertglenn8759
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Chris, I appreciate your help and responding so quickly. I really enjoy watching your channel.
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
Happy to help and thank you so much for watching!! 😊
Where did you buy that 1/4" aluminum tube? I bought the tires you recommended on this video but can't find that aluminum tube, and I really want to do this modification to my plane!... Any help will be greatly appreciated!👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
you should be able to find it at your local hobby store. It's also available through amazon: amzn.to/3a11dkn
@ricardopr54
4 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek Thank you very much for your help. I just ordered it!...👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾😊 New Subscriber Here! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome and Thanks for the sub! 😊. If you have questions, let me know.
@ricardopr54
4 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek Will do! Tasks again!... By the way, I invite you to visit my channel and check out my content whenever you get a chance. Have a great day! Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾🌵😷🇵🇷
@ricardopr54
3 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek Can you give me the exact measurements of the aluminum tube that you used? I ordered the one you sent me the link for through Amazon, but the inner diameter of it was too small and didn't fit the tire mount shaft... It fit well in the tires you used, but won't go in the tire shaft... I need your help to get the correct size one. Thanks!...
Chris will the robarts also work the same way om the eflite fw190? thanks
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
I think they would work fine. I haven’t tried them on mine. There is a softer tire available from eflite for the fw that I’ve been using on my Fw.
@winggs88
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. That eflite tire is out of stock till july. 😒
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
Dang 😕
@fredericpousset7567
2 жыл бұрын
Could î use the fw190 soft tire from eflite for my mustang P51?
@Thercgeek
2 жыл бұрын
That’s a good question and I’m not sure. I believe that the fw190 tires are a larger diameter to those on the p51 which would preclude them from being usable.
What size wheel collars did you use?
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t recall off hand. I believe that the axle wire is 4mm diameter. So, you want something around that size. I used some collars I had in my spares bins and drilled them out as I needed to to fit.
@LoveRC
3 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek ok thanks. I think I have some that are close that I could drill out and I found some 1/4" aluminum tubing.
@LoveRC
3 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek thanks!
Send me some dimensions. I will make you some aluminum sleeves for the axels. Had to make some mods to my FMS 1400 Corsair to make them suspension struts and had to make some thin wall aluminum parts to make them work. Machinist for over 30 yrs. I’ll make em no charge. Doesn’t take much of my time.
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, I appreciate the offer! I’ll try and get some dimensions this week.
@flymanjg
4 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek Chris, was Hal Roofner able to machine the Aluminum Sleeves???
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
I still need to get the right dimensions to him. 😬
@halroofner4069
4 жыл бұрын
The RC Geek no worries. Let me know. Keep the videos coming.
What was the size of the aluminum tube?
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
It’s a 1/4” aluminum tube.
@ricardopr54
4 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek where can I find that tube?
What’s the exact référence of the wheels ? Thanks
@Thercgeek
2 жыл бұрын
They are robart 3.5” diameter tires (there’s a link in the video description).
@fredericpousset7567
2 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek i don’t find thé link In the video ? And the website to but this. (I live in Europa, so he hope i will find a Shot they buy this),Thanks
@fredericpousset7567
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for for the automatic writing. Can you tell me where i can buy this wheels - thanks
Or how about E-flite/Horizon sell this very expensive model with two decent tires? Really, not much upsets me about these things, but come on. Great video by the way, next best option to this coming with better tires.
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
Haha, that’s fair. I’m not sure I’ve had any arf foamy or otherwise that didn’t have hard tires though.
What size collar did you use?
@Thercgeek
2 жыл бұрын
I honestly don’t remember. I used some from my spares box. The axle diameter is 4mm, so that’s the size you want to look for.
@TrueBlueYou
2 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek I think the size is 1/8 -I’ll jerry-rig something!!
@Thercgeek
2 жыл бұрын
1/8 will work and will need to be drilled out just a touch for the 4mm shaft.
@TrueBlueYou
2 жыл бұрын
I’m wondering if the FW 190 has the same wheels as this one-would you switch ‘em out?
@Thercgeek
2 жыл бұрын
They’re not the same tires, but they’re just as hard. Eflite offered a soft fire option at one point. Otherwise, robarts would work too.
You'd think a $500 foamy would provide something like that out of the box.
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
Well, what they provide is plenty functional. They’re just super hard.
Practice your final approach for landing more. Cost less and clearly makes you a better flyer.
@Thercgeek
Жыл бұрын
Clearly…but even the finest approach and softest flare could result in a bounce on asphalt with those extremely hard stock tires. On grass, it’s not an issue.
@davidgerlach1132
Жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek Clearly, we're clear about this. 🙂 Question, switching gears, I looked through your impressive video list and I like them all, but I didn't see the Freewing Avanti S Red High Performance 80mm in the mix. I know you can't demo everything, but I'm on the fence between the 6S Viper 90MM and this 6S P-51. I'm a strong intermediate flyer, so I'm looking to step-function it up a level.
@Thercgeek
Жыл бұрын
I haven’t flown the avanti s, but I have heard good things about it. Otherwise, if given the choice between the 6s p51 and the 90mm viper, I’d choose the viper all day long. I generally prefer jets and it is a fantastic flying jet. Plus, being tric gear, ground handling is much easier to deal with. That said, the p51 is a very sweet flying warbird, but I just love my jets. 😁
@davidgerlach1132
Жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek You're an evil man! 🙂 Decisions.  Hey, what do I know, I'm just a mad abstract mathematician with a lust for mechanical physics... so it appears the "all day long" consensus rules here. A few more hours on my Commander and say hello to Sir Viper.
Hello Chris! I hope you are staying safe and healthy! I love your videos and have learned a lot. Congratulations to you as the US Scale Masters Champion with your A-7II Corsair!! I have a Aero-Works Extra 260 Freestyle and I always have a issue putting on a new propeller tight enough with the cowl mounted and the nose cone backplate on. When I think I got it tight enough, I do a trial run up and it ends up spinning off. The motor I am using is a Hacker A30-12XL V3 motor. If you could do a short video with any tricks on how to tighten the prop nut tight enough, I would much appreciate it. You can DM me on FB rclyernc2001 if you prefer. Thank you 😊 Stay safe and healthy 🙏
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate your suggestion, though I’m not sure I have an effective cure for that. I run into that as well and mostly just try to manipulate my hold on the prop and spinner to create enough friction to get it to tighten harder. Usually that’ll work, sometimes not so much.
@rcflyernc2001
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Chris. What I have done in the past on that motor is wrap a piece of narrow masking tape around the motor (in the opposite direction of tightening the prop nut), with extra tape hanging down to hold the motor from spinning when tightening the nut. I miss my gassers!! LOL 😂
Great video! Been using the old tape shim trick for years. I'm sure it will be very helpful to some people. Of course, if you're anal, you can drill out the Robart bushings to 5mm also.
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! True, but Drilling out those bushings is a real PITA, haha
@topgun5399
3 жыл бұрын
i consider that a patch job. i can drill out the bushings with a drill much cleaner and it takes the same amount of time. paying $500 + dollars on the plane another $20+ on wheels then you use tape? like i said patch job. if your going that far then make it clean. glad i don't have him build my plane. i guess this is the engineer in me. what ever floats your boat or in this case gets you in the air. just not me. PS nice tip on the wheels to get.
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your sentiment, but the tape works great! Keep in mind that the tires are spinning around the axle with the aluminum tube, not around the tape, so even if the tape gets buggered up they’ll still rotate freely because of the aluminum tube. It’s simply there to fill up the space to remove any slop. I get having a cleaner bushing though. Holding those plastic bushings to drill them out is a PITA and machining new ones isn’t on the table for most hobbyists. So, tried to show an accessible solution. There’s always a different solution, all part of the hobby!
@topgun5399
3 жыл бұрын
@@Thercgeek i know that but the time i drill it vs the time you tape im done. but what ever. you like tape i like fit . my college years dictate to not cut corners when you can do better. its not like your on a time limit. but the results is what you live with.
@Thercgeek
3 жыл бұрын
It’s also relative to the desired time one wants to spend too. This is a quick and easy way swap that anyone can do. If this were a multi thousand dollar turbine or warbird aircraft, I’d certainly take a different approach. For a foam warbird like this, it works well enough for me. I’ve been doing this a very long time and those who know my work know just how meticulous I am. 😊
Hello Chris I just found your site and want to say it is great. My Questions are do you work on Sailplanes? I need some help an like you input on this RC Sailplane build. Do you have a gmail account? Thanks for the time. Greg of Ohio
@Thercgeek
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve not played with sailplanes hugely, but I can certainly try to help. The best way to email is through my contact form thercgeek.com/contact
The tape may eventually get hot from friction and the glue from the tape may make a bond between the hub and axle. Just saying. Be careful.