French Eagle - the Dassault Mirage 4000

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In the 1970s the decision by President Carter to cut exports of top end American fighter aircraft meant there was a gap in the market.
Dassault of France were more than happy to fill it.
But whereas most customers would take their Mirage F1, or else actively consider the advanced Mirage 2000 that was in development, some wanted something that offered a lot more.
And so, Dassault developed the Mirage 4000 - France's equivalent to the formidable McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle.
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  • @firefightergoggie
    @firefightergoggie2 жыл бұрын

    In typical Dassault fashion, the jet looked utterly brilliant.

  • @Seli_B

    @Seli_B

    2 жыл бұрын

    The Founder of Dassault Aviation, Marcel Dassault once said "A plane that looks good is a plane that flies good"

  • @sugarnads

    @sugarnads

    2 жыл бұрын

    *laughs nervously in MS406*

  • @wape1

    @wape1

    2 жыл бұрын

    **pisses pants in Amiot 143**

  • @ey6713

    @ey6713

    2 жыл бұрын

    😉

  • @Lodai974

    @Lodai974

    2 жыл бұрын

    **proud in his Block MB152**

  • @thibaudduhamel2581
    @thibaudduhamel25812 жыл бұрын

    Dang that was a looker. I saw the prototype at the Bourget museum a few weeks ago. It’s quite a big plane, but even on the ground it’s one of the most beautiful things ever designed.

  • @andersnilsson7917

    @andersnilsson7917

    2 жыл бұрын

    The French have always had a feeling for style.

  • @Zorglub1966

    @Zorglub1966

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@andersnilsson7917 For jet engined planes, i fully agree, but for piston engined ones, Italians are nonsuch.

  • @Mael1er

    @Mael1er

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Zorglub1966 Yes, true, the WWII italian fighters were beautiful, also the seaplane MC 72.

  • @Zorglub1966

    @Zorglub1966

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Mael1er oh! yes!!

  • @silverpleb2128

    @silverpleb2128

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Zorglub1966 D.520, VG33.

  • @tomekichiyamamoto2177
    @tomekichiyamamoto2177 Жыл бұрын

    All these Dassault airplanes are superb. The Mirage 2000, Mirage IV, Rafale, etc. The Mirage 4000 was no exception. If only it finished to be designed.

  • @galvinstanley3235

    @galvinstanley3235

    Ай бұрын

    The 2000 might just be the 4000 because of upgrades.

  • @glennridsdale577
    @glennridsdale5772 жыл бұрын

    I saw the 4000 at Farnborough a couple of times and was immensely impressed. She was a beast!

  • @tomekichiyamamoto2177

    @tomekichiyamamoto2177

    Жыл бұрын

    She 😁👍

  • @zebop917

    @zebop917

    Жыл бұрын

    Likewise. Used to watch the show from the roof of our office building where I worked on the site. Much closer to the flight line so hard to get any work done in the afternoons during show time.

  • @joaoonda
    @joaoonda2 жыл бұрын

    Some years ago I found my father´s Aircraft Magazines from the 70s and 80s and they all have lot´s of publicity of the Mirage 4000. Great video

  • @the_bunse
    @the_bunse2 жыл бұрын

    Last Laugh has to be on the Saudi's, the tornado's are obsolete now while the Mirage 4000 would probably have just received a life extension program like the F15's. The Mirage 4000 was defo a keeper

  • @alan6832

    @alan6832

    2 жыл бұрын

    "Saudis might ban KZread" funny! ;)

  • @PaddysOrigami

    @PaddysOrigami

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well the mirage 4000 became the Rafale

  • @aap9167

    @aap9167

    2 жыл бұрын

    But they have no issue buying new aircraft....

  • @Philistine47

    @Philistine47

    2 жыл бұрын

    Alternatively, the last laugh is on the French, for giving Khomeini a place to run his revolution from in exile.

  • @LupusAries

    @LupusAries

    2 жыл бұрын

    The Tonka is a great Striker, but it's not a fighter and neither will all the thrust in Christendom and Islam make one out of it. Choosing the Tornado F.2/3 over it was a bad choice. You can make a case for the GR/IDS/ECR Tonkas though.

  • @gunner678
    @gunner6782 жыл бұрын

    I regularly see the Mirage 2000 maritime patrol fly over my house and along the coast. Impressive aircraft even today. My dentist is on Avenue Marcel D'Assault. I was there last week lol. Great aircraft.

  • @trevorhart545

    @trevorhart545

    Жыл бұрын

    Looks nice just hope it is not yours but part of the enemy. Looks Good but is Dog Pooh.

  • @adrien5834

    @adrien5834

    6 ай бұрын

    @@trevorhart545 And yet they regularly stomp most other NATO platforms in DACT. Oh well, can't fix stupid.

  • @cassandrafoxx4171
    @cassandrafoxx41712 жыл бұрын

    There's a common story in Australia about the Mirage 4000 that we were offered the jigs and moulds for the aircraft to make them here ourselves, with either the french engines or any others we could fit to them. Unfortunately, the government of the day declined the offer... don't know why... I mean, Australia flew the Mirage IIIC and loved it. These would have been superb and probably still flying.

  • @paulbaker9277

    @paulbaker9277

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hmm, maybe the US had Quiet talk , but that would never happen.

  • @cassandrafoxx4171

    @cassandrafoxx4171

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@paulbaker9277 Tell that to Lockheed, who tried their best to bribe and cajole others into buying their aircraft before all others...

  • @paulbaker9277

    @paulbaker9277

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@cassandrafoxx4171 I reckon their was a lot of talk.

  • @winstonwolfe5733

    @winstonwolfe5733

    2 жыл бұрын

    probably US diplomacy, like with the submarines?! Joke aside, hasn't Australia purchased F111 instead, or was it for another purpose?

  • @badlt5897
    @badlt58972 жыл бұрын

    That plane was a BEAST! Thanks for the background on a "what if" aircraft that has intrigued me for quite some time.

  • @aaronlopez3585
    @aaronlopez35852 жыл бұрын

    Another hit, Ed great job. Truly the Mirage 4k was an extremely capable air superiority advanced air craft with the worst luck and timing. It reminded to a lesser degree to the F-20 tiger shark on display here in LA at the science center, expo. Thank you so much for another bang up job

  • @Lapantouflemagic0

    @Lapantouflemagic0

    2 жыл бұрын

    in a way it's not really a matter of luck, it's geopolitics. The Americans have always tried to smother the French aeronautic sector, for reasons that i presume to be half economic interest, half pride. we have a population that is basically 1/5th of them, and yet somehow manage to challenge their tech superiority especially in the aerospace sector. they don't really like that. Unlike most NATO countries that for the longest time aligned themselves on the US, France has always tired to keep its own geopolitical independence, which means that we could sell arms to countries who didn't want to appear too friendly with either the US or USSR. but every now and then the American government will bully some country who would likely buy our stuff so that they buy F-something's instead. Typically it happened a few weeks ago in Switzerland, both the public and the pilots were really in favor of the rafale, but then biden came to visit, and who would have guessed ? now the swiss air police will fly F-35s, an aircraft that is completely overpriced and makes no sense for them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @jeandelacroix6726

    @jeandelacroix6726

    2 жыл бұрын

    Would have loved a M4000-9F3

  • @tommurphy4366

    @tommurphy4366

    2 жыл бұрын

    I worked at Northrop during the chaotic, political times of the trying to sell the F20 to the Air Force for a top notch, $9,million fighter plane for export and the Air National Guard. So, I very much appreciate the very knowledgeable

  • @tommurphy4366

    @tommurphy4366

    2 жыл бұрын

    Comparaison to the very excellent French mirage. I worked in marketing, and we had the likes of Chuck Yeager helping us , but General Dynamics had over a hundred (at least) minions in Washington - We had five.... so crooked!

  • @AlexAnastaso

    @AlexAnastaso

    2 жыл бұрын

    Mirage 4k is the 'old rafale'?

  • @Bananaskin101
    @Bananaskin1012 жыл бұрын

    you can see the mirage 4000's influence on Rafale

  • @gustavlicht9620

    @gustavlicht9620

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also, since the French were so advanced, it really didn't make sense for them to participate in the Eurofighter programme.

  • @ammanagrawal762
    @ammanagrawal7622 жыл бұрын

    MIRAGE 2000 the most successful fighter jet. Look-wise its DEADLY. Really a Big Fan of Mirage 2000C. Indian Air Force is also using 40-45 of these jets and are serving well. Love from India to all the French brothers and sisters. May peace reside in all the world.

  • @barracuda7018

    @barracuda7018

    Жыл бұрын

    The most successful M 2000?? Is this a joke? F16 outsold it by 7:1 and still selling...M2000 closed its doors 15 years ago.

  • @vermicelledecheval5219

    @vermicelledecheval5219

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@barracuda7018thanks to american lobbying machine... Like for the F35...

  • @vermicelledecheval5219

    @vermicelledecheval5219

    10 ай бұрын

    This is a way to ensure peace indeed... Si vis pacem para bellum...

  • @jimramsey8887
    @jimramsey8887 Жыл бұрын

    I wish we had a technologically focussed and single minded aircraft producer like Dassault in the UK. Great Stuff again Ed Thanks very much.

  • @leary4
    @leary42 жыл бұрын

    It's kinda funny, the way u described the capabilities and performance of this aircraft is almost exactly the way Jay Leno describes French cars: over all very solid, very comfortable, no one aspect below par and in at least one often more ways superior. Also like their car industry the French seemed to have been dogged by mismanagement and govt. ineptitude (not unlike the British car industry). They really do so many things so damn well. The FAMAS bullput is the only bullpup one not compromised by the intrinsic drawbacks of they type and the Mirage seems to have gotten as much as could be out of the delta wing design... in the process making a stunningly good looking plane.

  • @alexandermishev6897

    @alexandermishev6897

    2 жыл бұрын

    And it's not only that, the list continues with many more technologies where the French have put their own unique signature. For example, unlike the British they didn't get the nuclear bomb know-how from America, but run and developed their own nuclear program. And, again, same as the plane, they sold their own know-how later to Israel (and probably South Africa). So, yeah, they do deserve all the respect for all those technological achievements they continue producing to this day.

  • @oOLuNaTiC93Oo

    @oOLuNaTiC93Oo

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@alexandermishev6897 the nuclear weapon is a french idea who was proposed by Frederic Joliot Curie in 1939 before the WWII. He discovered the caracteristics of the Uranium 235 and proposed to the defense ministere to use it like a weapon.

  • @Lodai974

    @Lodai974

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@oOLuNaTiC93Oo heavy water had been stored for that .... evacuated in May 1940 to North Africa ,then the West Indies.

  • @leosimon241

    @leosimon241

    Жыл бұрын

    @@oOLuNaTiC93Oo and it was not just an idea it was patented and two of his collegues(Hans ALBAN and Lew KOWALSKI) went to the UK and later to the US to help american scientist who where far behind at the time. When they learned all that the French scientist could teach them they were fired from the project Manhattan and forbidden to work in the US, so they just build the first nuclear reactor of Canada instead.

  • @Twirlyhead
    @Twirlyhead Жыл бұрын

    One of the major benchmarks for judging a country's education system is how good their engineers are. France has had good engineers for quite a while.

  • @Zorglub1966
    @Zorglub19662 жыл бұрын

    Never heard of it before watching your video. Thank you! Dassault => Pronounce "dasso". Usualy in french the last consonnant is mute, but wiht proper nouns it can be tricky.

  • @Rich77UK
    @Rich77UK Жыл бұрын

    Gutted this never made production. Its a gorgeous looking beast.

  • @SFDPSFDP
    @SFDPSFDP2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much for your video, it is very well done, all the best from France.

  • @ilovethe80s74
    @ilovethe80s742 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful plane. I've always loved a delta wing.

  • @pronoygms507
    @pronoygms5076 ай бұрын

    That's a beautiful looking aircraft.

  • @bartfoster1311
    @bartfoster13112 жыл бұрын

    Looked like an excellent plane that never made it to production. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they had already started producing some for the Iranians before the revolution. I am guessing the French Air Force might have changed their minds then.

  • @aadisingh9146

    @aadisingh9146

    2 жыл бұрын

    actually this helped them a lot in making rafale. which is kind of a mirage 4000 on steroids.

  • @echodelta2172

    @echodelta2172

    2 жыл бұрын

    This would have far more likely been sold to Iraq instead of Iran

  • @Lapantouflemagic0

    @Lapantouflemagic0

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@aadisingh9146 the rafale actually has smaller engines, partly because it needed to be a lot lighter to fit on an aircraft carrier. but the experience from that program was invaluable, the rafale rolled out in advance on its schedule which in a way is really the ultimate flex anyone could ever pull off 😅

  • @AtheistOrphan
    @AtheistOrphan2 жыл бұрын

    I remember seeing this put on an impressive display at Farnborough ‘86.

  • @ginacalabrese3869
    @ginacalabrese38692 жыл бұрын

    When I worked in private aircraft management and overheard my boss's speaker phone calls to Dassault customer support they never corrected his pronunciation which was like yours which was likely because we were their customer. Now Bombardier in Quebec had no problem letting him know it was Bom-bar-dee-ay and not Bom-bar-deer.

  • @cdl0

    @cdl0

    2 жыл бұрын

    Another one of these is the publisher Elsevier. ;-)

  • @johnmilner5485

    @johnmilner5485

    2 жыл бұрын

    Bom-bar-dee- eh ...more Canadian imo.

  • @craigmoran893

    @craigmoran893

    2 жыл бұрын

    Bom-bar-deer sounds better.

  • @razor1uk610

    @razor1uk610

    Жыл бұрын

    those of a mindset akin to that of an angry Québécois, always have to bombard non-'Bécois with their niche micro-reich version of culture war sub-nationalism, like very delayed action Vichy resistance.

  • @whitewidowgaming4887
    @whitewidowgaming48872 жыл бұрын

    really cool, looks like it could have been a beast. thanks for another great vid.

  • @ericanthonyvillar6285
    @ericanthonyvillar62852 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful plane! Great review! Thanks for sharing.

  • @Vespuchian
    @Vespuchian2 жыл бұрын

    "We won't go into [details of the arms deal] because they might ban KZread." Ah, one of THOSE deals, gotcha.

  • @EdNashsMilitaryMatters

    @EdNashsMilitaryMatters

    2 жыл бұрын

    ;)

  • @atilllathehun1212

    @atilllathehun1212

    2 жыл бұрын

    Who cares? Brits got the order and the work.

  • @RedOrm68

    @RedOrm68

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@atilllathehun1212 short term win. What about the long term, though? More dodgy deals? Always comes back to bite you, when you don't want it to. Like now.

  • @Radis001

    @Radis001

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@atilllathehun1212 That's what the Argentinians response to the English protests after Maradona's "Hand of God" goal.

  • @extramild1

    @extramild1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@EdNashsMilitaryMatters Ethically I have never seen what is wrong with greasing the wheels for an Arms deal? I mean you are selling a product whose job is kill people so morally it seems you have crossed the Rubicon and throwing some money around to ensure your product is picked over somebody else just does not seem wrong to me in that context. To rob a quote from another film - it is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

  • @seanhaarhoff3726
    @seanhaarhoff37262 жыл бұрын

    Such a pity it wasn't put into production, a very sexy and capable fighter.

  • @ismt101

    @ismt101

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's known as rafale nowadays. Allmost all of the system including many of the designs directly went into Rafale

  • @mikelynn4754
    @mikelynn47544 ай бұрын

    I worked at Farnborough and clearly remember seeing the 4000 at the 1982 show. It really was a beauty, especially in that wonderful Dassault house scheme.

  • @reneegudjon3204
    @reneegudjon3204 Жыл бұрын

    Every line looks perfect

  • @LuqmanHM
    @LuqmanHM2 жыл бұрын

    In the end, its successor, the Rafale, achieved market success that the Mirage 4000 couldn't.

  • @briancavanagh7048

    @briancavanagh7048

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sure took a long time before anyone bought any Rafales.

  • @Ushio01

    @Ushio01

    2 жыл бұрын

    less than 250 built in 35 years of production is hardly a market success.

  • @leneanderthalien

    @leneanderthalien

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Ushio01 the Rafale Marine enter in service in 2002 in temporary configuration F1 (to replace in urgence the very old F8 Crusaders) before heawy improvings for the F2 in 2005, so in real is the definitive Rafale is built sinze 16 years and not 35...

  • @LuqmanHM

    @LuqmanHM

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Ushio01 35 years? Wow Rafale entered service since 1986? 🤣🤣 Then again 250 is quite large for today's standard

  • @Ushio01

    @Ushio01

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@LuqmanHM production not entered service. Exclude the early production jets and the 250 number goes below 200.

  • @ozairakhtarcom
    @ozairakhtarcom2 жыл бұрын

    That was a super delta that many countries missed to induct in their Air Forces.

  • @garymcaleer6112
    @garymcaleer61122 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful lines. Whether in race cars or fighter jets, pleasant aesthetics play a role in the design success.

  • @pjotrtje0NL
    @pjotrtje0NL2 жыл бұрын

    Visiting the Le Bourget shows till 1989, always a center stage position was set aside for this magnificent looking beast of an aircraft. I’ve always been impressed by its looks and the performance, even if you take these with a pinch of salt.

  • @johnphillips519
    @johnphillips5192 жыл бұрын

    I remember the RAAF Mirages that used to fly around Darwin, in the late 70's early 80's They were very impressive looking aircraft, They would occasionally do a sonic boom over the town until they were reprimanded🤣

  • @kiwihame
    @kiwihame2 жыл бұрын

    Great video Ed. Superb.

  • @farchmarch7043
    @farchmarch70432 жыл бұрын

    The french government suffered several hard pressures from the US to not sell this aircraft; they had theirs to provide, keep this in mind. I was at Le Bourget the year she made her display, very nice jet fighter.

  • @johnmoorefilm
    @johnmoorefilm2 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Iran only actually took delivery of 79 of the 80 F14’s. The 80th’s delivery was denied because of the revolution and is rusting away outdoors at USN Lemoore NAS.

  • @lensman5762

    @lensman5762

    2 жыл бұрын

    The 80th F14 was kept in the US initially as test bed for a lot of modifications that the Iranian air force had requested. Once the Islamists took over, the US kept the plane.

  • @steveharvey6421

    @steveharvey6421

    2 жыл бұрын

    In the late 70s Iran had about 240 F 4s and 79 F 14s. Its air force was far better supplied than medium power countries like Britain Germany France and Japan.

  • @razor1uk610

    @razor1uk610

    Жыл бұрын

    @@steveharvey6421 .... _initially_ ..better supplied, casualty ignoring crew training & purged service personnel, only, ...with no future spares or upgrades available from manufacturers/US to operate them adequately for long.

  • @AC_702
    @AC_702 Жыл бұрын

    Always a fan of the M4000. Too bad it never made the big time. Beautiful jet

  • @paulkirkland3263
    @paulkirkland32632 жыл бұрын

    If it was down to looks, every one would have bought them. What a great aircraft.

  • @Phozz4
    @Phozz42 жыл бұрын

    "If it looks good, it flies good"

  • @jaydeveas2930
    @jaydeveas29302 жыл бұрын

    Mirage 4000, F16XL, F20 & more. So many great could have beens.

  • @michaelgautreaux3168
    @michaelgautreaux31682 жыл бұрын

    Super vid! Many thanx 👍👍😉

  • @otm646
    @otm6462 жыл бұрын

    0:59 Dah Sow. Da Salt is on the table Dah Sow is in the air.

  • @EdNashsMilitaryMatters

    @EdNashsMilitaryMatters

    2 жыл бұрын

    And there was me worrying so hard to get the museum right at the end :)

  • @thekinginyellow1744

    @thekinginyellow1744

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@EdNashsMilitaryMatters That's OK. Better to know about the planes. We can go somewhere else to learn French.

  • @MrFlyingPanda

    @MrFlyingPanda

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@EdNashsMilitaryMatters that one was ok :)

  • @burtuppercut
    @burtuppercut2 жыл бұрын

    What a good looking aircraft.

  • @trinab9612
    @trinab96122 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like a twin engine F-16XL. Great looking jet

  • @ryansta
    @ryansta11 ай бұрын

    What a beauty, just something about the Mirage series in general.

  • @Puzzoozoo
    @Puzzoozoo2 жыл бұрын

    I remember seeing it fly at a Farnborough Airshow.

  • @gregorygaskill5412
    @gregorygaskill54122 жыл бұрын

    Dessault makes the fastest private jet on the market. Sheer beauty of function.

  • @callenclarke371
    @callenclarke37111 ай бұрын

    An excellent and informative video as always. But... Goodness gracious! Who were those Dassault cameramen? That's some of the most electrifying aerial footage I've seen on youtube! Fantastic stuff!

  • @flybeep1661
    @flybeep16612 жыл бұрын

    That's a badass looking plane and unlike the F15 it looks like it can move as well.

  • @tonyz7216
    @tonyz721611 ай бұрын

    Very interresting thanks for the vid. Greetings from France.

  • @pilou827
    @pilou8274 ай бұрын

    Très intéressant. Merci!

  • @obentophaut8693
    @obentophaut86932 жыл бұрын

    Great stuff

  • @JackGordone
    @JackGordone2 жыл бұрын

    "Carter's policy was a failure.". Carter was a failure. There, fixed that.

  • @mootpointjones8488

    @mootpointjones8488

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ditto every other US President since Carter.

  • @cassandrafoxx4171

    @cassandrafoxx4171

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mootpointjones8488 Though Reagan made his presidency fun to watch... and you have to give Trump entertainment value, watching his multi-unit trainwreck in action

  • @ImpendingJoker

    @ImpendingJoker

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mootpointjones8488 Regan was actually a very good PoTUS, I don't know what you're talking about. Everyone after him...yeah not so great.

  • @jessfrankel5212

    @jessfrankel5212

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ImpendingJoker Reagan was a good president for his time. He projected a strong image vis-à-vis the Soviet Union. He built up the military, and at that time, he made the US stronger than any other country around. He also killed a lot of social programs, and his trickle-down economics concepts by his team failed miserably. Every other president since him, well, some did good things, most screwed up. trump was a disaster. Anyone who says he did a good job is simply deluding themselves.

  • @andrewmorke

    @andrewmorke

    2 жыл бұрын

    The Biden administration will be considered Carter 2.0 by historians.

  • @joso5554
    @joso55542 жыл бұрын

    An absolutely gorgeous aircraft, and a mighty fighter. Politics and bad timing were fatal to it, unfortunately. It can be regarded as a parent to the Rafale airframe (the latter being much smaller, though).

  • @casbot71
    @casbot712 жыл бұрын

    Off topic: It would be interesting for Saab to try the same concept with the Gripen - a twin engine heavier strike version of their light single seat fighter.

  • @sankubanku1633

    @sankubanku1633

    2 жыл бұрын

    India is doing that with their tejas for the Indian navy.

  • @flymacseamus3474

    @flymacseamus3474

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sankubanku1633 That just got cancelled though

  • @shaider1982

    @shaider1982

    2 жыл бұрын

    That sounds like the Arie, one of the concepts in a program that was scaled down and became the Lavi.

  • @RedXlV

    @RedXlV

    Жыл бұрын

    That might be a bit of a hard sell given that the Rafale is already there for anybody who wants a heavier twin-engine fighter with greater payload than the Gripen. The Gripen's biggest selling point is that it has much lower operating costs than other 4.5-gen fighters, while still having equivalent air-to-air capability and not that much worse air-to-ground. I'm not sure if trying to compete even more directly with the Rafale than they currently do would be to Saab's benefit.

  • @timgosling6189
    @timgosling61892 жыл бұрын

    Excellent summary, and it's good for Dassault that some of their private venture funding could be recouped when they split out of the Eurofighter programme and developed the Rafale. A couple of minor things: compared to the F-14, F-15 and F-16 the F/A-18 was a bit later to the party than you suggest and in fact flew for the first time only a few months before the 4000. It would have been a higher risk buy for the Saudis or Iran, asuming they could have got production slots in amongst the USMC and USN deliveries. Also, for future reference 'Dassault' is pronounced more like 'Dass-oh'. There is also a certain irony in France giving sanctuary to Khomeini and thereby blowing a billion Francs in exports, apart from any loss in future trade.

  • @alessiodecarolis

    @alessiodecarolis

    2 жыл бұрын

    Effectively the french gvt made a terrible mistake supporting Khomeini and his goons, with a little common sense they could've spared the world a lot of troubles, given how Iranian revolution destabilized the WHOLE area (a lethal domino: invasion of Afghanistan by the russians, Iran-Iraq war, 1st gulf war, spreading of religious/islamic fanatism in the World, terrorism....all for the perverse idiocy of French politicians to follow a politic of"Grandeur" and trying to be a great power)

  • @thibautmallet1194

    @thibautmallet1194

    Жыл бұрын

    You dont take into account that the french made billions during the war providing weapons to irak and iran ( mostly irak though) So you could argue helping komeny was a good investement

  • @colinvannurden3090
    @colinvannurden30902 жыл бұрын

    Good footage!!

  • @santanuroy1434
    @santanuroy14342 жыл бұрын

    I get a feeling that the design of the Indian LCA Tejas was somewhat inspired by the Mirage 4000, although the LCA is a single engined fighter mostly being used to replace the obsolete Mig 21 from Indian service.

  • @adityawaglearch
    @adityawaglearch2 жыл бұрын

    Sad end to a fabulous aircraft

  • @smithyMcjoe
    @smithyMcjoe Жыл бұрын

    Oh man imagine picking up tornados instead of the Mirage 4000... big ooof! I think it really would have stood shoulder to shoulder with the Strike Eagle.

  • @steveshoemaker6347
    @steveshoemaker63472 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Ed...!

  • @Favk21
    @Favk212 жыл бұрын

    "Rafale, I am your father"

  • @sim.frischh9781
    @sim.frischh97812 жыл бұрын

    A shame, i think, this plane would have deserved more love. The French went all out creating it, but somehow the cards were stacked against them.

  • @sparrowlt

    @sparrowlt

    2 жыл бұрын

    Even so i allways admired the French lineage of aircraft and the Mirage family in particular.. they all were excellent fighter craft.. and all that done by a single country with 5 times less population than the united states.. while the British have some brilliant planes too i think overall the french beat them .. a shame they retired from the Eurofighter program.. but i understand them... the EF is brilliant but the development was a clusterfuck of arguing over how to do stuff .. they should had centered in doing the airframe and engines and leave some flexibility over radar and avionics so they could had moved forward sooner

  • @sim.frischh9781

    @sim.frischh9781

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sparrowlt Yes, but that´s always the big issue with joint projects. Everyone needs something specific that gets in the way of the project as a whole. One of the few cases where it worked out well was the german/french Alpha Jet, but those instances are rare.

  • @sparrowlt

    @sparrowlt

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sim.frischh9781 the Alpha Jet is just a trainer.. there is not much to do there. the airframe and engines... the EF the problem was the avionics, ECM suite, the radar, etc.. Germany was by far the most annoying part of the whole consortium

  • @sim.frischh9781

    @sim.frischh9781

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sparrowlt The Alpha Jet was also meant as a light ground attack and anti-helicopter plane. And Germany being annoying is the norm anyways.

  • @MarkCsevensixtwo
    @MarkCsevensixtwo2 жыл бұрын

    Cheers, Ed 👍😎

  • @ohlawd3699
    @ohlawd3699 Жыл бұрын

    The Rafale is basically the Mirage 4000 2.0. Beautiful aitcraft. 😊👍

  • @trauko1388
    @trauko13882 жыл бұрын

    BEAUTIFUL shot of an Ecuadorian Mirage F1, it is only missing the kill mark for a Peruvian A-37 or Su-22! Great video as always.

  • @tetraxis3011

    @tetraxis3011

    2 жыл бұрын

    The A37 was killed by a kfir c2, not the F1. still I love how nationalist Peruvians desperately try to save face after those shootdowns.

  • @jeffshootsstuff
    @jeffshootsstuff2 жыл бұрын

    Good job, Carter. Another good decision.

  • @4Leka
    @4Leka2 жыл бұрын

    The story of how the Tornado managed to beat the Mirage 4000 sounds very interesting indeed.

  • @smellysam

    @smellysam

    Жыл бұрын

    Shhhsh or the Saudis will ban KZread.

  • @RedXlV

    @RedXlV

    Жыл бұрын

    The same way the F-104G managed to beat the F11F-1F Super Tiger and Saunders-Roe SR.177. British Aerospace showed they'd learned how to play Lockheed's game.

  • @raptormesh
    @raptormesh Жыл бұрын

    Best looking French fighter.

  • @rooramblingon895
    @rooramblingon8952 жыл бұрын

    As a non-expert I bet I am making a faux-pas, but I can see the lineage of the Typhoon in that plane. Such a shame it was so unlucky in the timing and politics.

  • @thechuck2684

    @thechuck2684

    2 жыл бұрын

    the typhoon is more related to rafale than the mirage 4000 but they still be relatively close cause rafale uses design from the 4000. The typhoon was an european aircraft and the french just get out of it and did his own cause the typhoon wasn't really what we wanted.

  • @rooramblingon895

    @rooramblingon895

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@thechuck2684 Makes sense. Thank you.

  • @wolfitom

    @wolfitom

    2 жыл бұрын

    Mirage 4000 is a Rafale in Pre-Alpha so yes.

  • @Seminal_Ideas
    @Seminal_Ideas Жыл бұрын

    The canopy design alone is lovely. The smaller Mirage 2000 lacked the finesse of a full bubble canopy.

  • @daisho13
    @daisho132 жыл бұрын

    Still one of the prettiest planes ever to my eye. Thought the Rafale was going to be a challenger looks wise but the production Rafale is nowhere near as pretty as this.

  • @jomo350350
    @jomo3503502 жыл бұрын

    i saw this formidable airplane in demo at le-bourget in the 80's. i think it was the best military jet in the world at this time.

  • @bertrandviolette9008
    @bertrandviolette90082 жыл бұрын

    For imformation about its size : The tail fin of the 4000 is as big as the wing of a Mirage F1.

  • @kyanderson2461
    @kyanderson24612 жыл бұрын

    beautiful jet .

  • @hawkertyphoon4537
    @hawkertyphoon4537 Жыл бұрын

    This is nothing but a Plug for "Les chevaliers du ciel"... cheeky! :P

  • @mr-rk394
    @mr-rk3942 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful bird!

  • @domvalero4290
    @domvalero4290 Жыл бұрын

    O Mirage é o caça mais bonito do mundo.

  • @thethirdman225
    @thethirdman2252 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for bringing this up. A couple of things spring to mind. First, the radar dish was probably going to be a bit small, compared with similar class aircraft like the F-15 or Su-27. That wouldn't be such a problem now but I think it would have been in the late 80's or early 90's. Secondly, do we know what the datalink capability was like?

  • @aviationaerospacechannel5987

    @aviationaerospacechannel5987

    Жыл бұрын

    No. There was an interview available on KZread, the Dassault/Thales officials said they was working on a more advanced radar and electronics technologies for the Mirage 4000. A fighter jet of this size really need to see very far, since it's a very long range aircraft. This advanced technologies finally arrived on the Rafale.

  • @BosworthMcG
    @BosworthMcG2 жыл бұрын

    I thought I saw a mirage once …….

  • @blue280485
    @blue2804852 жыл бұрын

    WoW amazing 👌👍 French could have offered Mirage 4000 to Indian Airforce , they already operate Mirage 2000 successfully in combat and would have been glad to accept a twin engine Mirage 🤔🙄 Anyway we now have Rafael in the IAF 😀

  • @hervescellier6943

    @hervescellier6943

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not " Rafael " but RAFALE

  • @totogelen659
    @totogelen6592 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant jet from brilliant mind, now possible for super jet, love the design.

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman Жыл бұрын

    Beautiful airplane.

  • @petesheppard1709
    @petesheppard17092 жыл бұрын

    From this brief video, it appears the M4000 would have been a much better buy than the Tornados for Saudi Arabia.

  • @grahambuckerfield4640

    @grahambuckerfield4640

    2 жыл бұрын

    The deal wasn't just about Tornados, it included Hawk trainers, Jetstream Nav trainers, minesweepers and more plus a continued service and support package in place since they brought Lightnings and Strikemasters in the 60's. The UK largely set up and trained the Saudi AF lending them Hunters and early model Lightnings at the start. France's package included similar and much more, the much more largely not wanted by the Saudis but the French took a 'take it or leave it' approach. In the end the Saudis brought 96 Tornado IDS strike aircraft and 24 ADV versions. I saw the Mirage 4000 at the F.I. 80 and 82 airshows, it was an impressive aircraft but if your own air force won't buy it it harms sales and customers worry about long term technical support. The Tornado was in service with three nations when the Saudis brought it.

  • @petesheppard1709

    @petesheppard1709

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@grahambuckerfield4640 Thanks! 🙂 That's a good overview.

  • @zanderlabuschagne2368
    @zanderlabuschagne23688 ай бұрын

    It would have been nice to have seen it operational.

  • @ScumfuckMcDoucheface
    @ScumfuckMcDoucheface2 жыл бұрын

    3:28 Awww that was rad as all hell!!! =)

  • @Lapantouflemagic0

    @Lapantouflemagic0

    2 жыл бұрын

    weeeeee 🙂🙃🙂

  • @Kane-ib5sn
    @Kane-ib5sn2 жыл бұрын

    that was a nice video. nice to know who the predecessor to the Rafale was.

  • @killingfields1424
    @killingfields14242 жыл бұрын

    Those years saw how manufacturers built jets based on what kind of warfare is happening around. Those years multi-tasking jets is a boom. Like the F-15C Air Superiority fighter that can also be built for as ground support role like the F-15E that can also able to stand up in an air to air combat. The F-16 too as a very flexible flatform for both air to air and air to ground sorties. Today single minded jets like air superiority only flatform no longer have a big selling point like the Eurofighter as new breed of jets or choices has emerge. Like the Flankers, Fulcrums, and the Gripens that is the F-16s biggest competition in every aspect. It even beat the hell of other bigger competitions in "Red Flag"

  • @lordvalentine471
    @lordvalentine4712 жыл бұрын

    Good video

  • @sarthakasingh2179
    @sarthakasingh21792 жыл бұрын

    Instead of mig 29 and su-30mki IAF should have gone for the combination of Mirage 2000 and Mirage 4000.

  • @orneryokinawan4529
    @orneryokinawan45292 жыл бұрын

    I never been a fan of Delta Wing aircraft except for the Rafale. But an F-15 fuselage mated to this design is pretty awesome looking.

  • @AlexAlex-dr9zc

    @AlexAlex-dr9zc

    Жыл бұрын

    Take a look at the F 16 XL. Very sexy prototype

  • @extramild1
    @extramild12 жыл бұрын

    Those delta fighters just look correct. A lovely looking aeroplane.

  • @mitchellreece3711
    @mitchellreece3711 Жыл бұрын

    Will you do a narration video like this for the RC Jet Im developing? It will be flown from FPV as a drone, shaped a bit like the Avro Arrow but single engine

  • @JoJo-vm8vk
    @JoJo-vm8vk2 жыл бұрын

    Mirage 4000 had 12840L of fuel, about 10150kg or 22340lbs. It was a beast in supersonic flight...

  • @thechuck2684

    @thechuck2684

    2 жыл бұрын

    to have the ability to go to mach 2.2, it was quite something, i agree

  • @dkoz8321
    @dkoz83212 жыл бұрын

    Europeans are in love with delta cunnard planform. Typhoon, Rafale, Grippen, M4000, Viggen.

  • @nickduf

    @nickduf

    11 ай бұрын

    "Plan Canard"

  • @joesillamanrs7189
    @joesillamanrs71892 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful airplane. Probably as good as a F15 at that time.

  • @pravirgadkari1010

    @pravirgadkari1010

    2 жыл бұрын

    Had french aur force inducted 50 nos of miraj4k india might have shown interest in purchasing fee of them . Bomb truck F15 us no match to agile miraj4k

  • @barracuda7018

    @barracuda7018

    Жыл бұрын

    F15 in different versions was more versatile...

  • @gagounet83

    @gagounet83

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@barracuda7018 irrelevant Mirage 4k stayed a prototype

  • @remomontefino9820
    @remomontefino98202 жыл бұрын

    Thank you..some weeks fetore i ask you a video on this plane...the super 4000 would be the high part of high low mix in Arme de l air with the mirage 2000...as similar F15 F16 in USAF

  • @sixaout1982
    @sixaout19822 жыл бұрын

    It's now sitting right next to the first Rafale prototype at the air and space museum

  • @ratride1
    @ratride12 жыл бұрын

    Surprised the French did not adopt this jet to add a capability to the air force. Again we see a pattern of what country would buy a fighter if the developing country won’t adopt it.

  • @gringologie9302

    @gringologie9302

    2 жыл бұрын

    Budget talks.

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