FreeNAS vs. Unraid: GRUDGE MATCH!

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  • @LittleT2
    @LittleT24 жыл бұрын

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    @1armbiker

    4 жыл бұрын

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  • @JosephArata

    @JosephArata

    4 жыл бұрын

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  • @linkdude64

    @linkdude64

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's seriously one of the most underrated - this channel is just like Linux, it's highly competent, but for some reason not as popular as it ought to be. Wendell is definitely helping change that, though. Real ambassador for good software. Would be nice if he was more of a proponent of Libre software, though. Looking at it more in depth, etc.

  • @MrBiky

    @MrBiky

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@linkdude64 Wendell worked or works in the Enterprise, so it's no wonder he is ok with both proprietary and free software, as he probably had to use both. And he is pushing for free software a lot, but sometimes, free software is just not there yet, like it's the case for ESXi. Just look at some of Wendell's video about Synology NAS and how easy it is to integrate with VMWare. Just get the plugin and poof, done, basically. VMWare still has the most support and the most easy to find tech guys that know how to use it. I also doubt it won't be easy to learn. There are a lot of competing solutions, I think Proxmox is the closest to VMWare, but it's "janky" compared to VMWare, because you need to do things manually. I do prefer the manual stuff for the most part. Another thing is vCloud, to which there are competing solutions, like OpenNebula and OpenStack. I didn't use OpenStack, but I heard it is a big mess and beside the need to read a lot of documentation, it's also pretty buggy, so you're better off buying a vendor solution of OpenStack to solve some of the bugginess, but then you get into proprietary stuff and vendor lock-in. OpenNebula is pretty neat, but I had a lot of bugs with it, to the point I migrated 7 hosts one by one to Proxmox, with more than 200 VMs.

  • @freefalling2earth

    @freefalling2earth

    4 жыл бұрын

    Biky why not share how you did that migration on KZread a forum or a blog? It would be interesting insight for those who want to learn. I’m sure it would get enough views.

  • @bonamin
    @bonamin2 жыл бұрын

    I don't really know VERY much about these setups, but I'm using UNRAID, and one thing that got me there, is the ability to add drives, whenever I need more space. I am using it as a Home Media Server, and Storage Solution. I also run dockers like Emby, Radarr, Sonarr, Home Assistant, even my Ubiquiti UniFi OS and more. I'm loving this A LOT. Not being able to pay up front for all the space I might need in the future UNRAID seemed like a good solution. I even started this on a SoC E350 motherboard I had laying around, with 2GBs of RAM and a single HDD. Without ever needing to start again, I've upgraded my server with stuff like a Supermicro Motherboard, Xeon CPU, ECC RAM, and a lot more drives, cache SSDs etc. Unraid is like hardware agnostic which I LOVE. PS. For a guy that has never done anything like this, I can tell you, it's easy enough for anyone to get started.

  • @bonamin

    @bonamin

    Жыл бұрын

    @@n0ex I've heard that some other setups, can be a lot faster, but hey, you can't have EVERYTHING ! :D In MY specific case, Unraid is almost EXACTLY what I need !!!

  • @nathantron
    @nathantron4 жыл бұрын

    I feel like I am leaving with more questions than I entered....

  • @tomatobrush3283

    @tomatobrush3283

    4 жыл бұрын

    This FreeNAS vs Unraid is a rabbit hole debate. They are both good solutions they are just different solutions. For my home setup I went with unraid even though I know on paper ZFS is superior.

  • @nonegiven2830

    @nonegiven2830

    4 жыл бұрын

    welcome to the world of storage ;)

  • @_BangDroid_

    @_BangDroid_

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Simon TV what filesystem did you go with unraid? XFS, BTRFS?

  • @freefalling2earth

    @freefalling2earth

    4 жыл бұрын

    Simon TV but in the video. Didn’t he say you can do ZFS on unRAID and that’s what he did for Gaming Nexus? I’m confused. Talks too fast and mumbles for a noob. Isn’t it freeNAS vs unRAID and not XFS vs unRAID because they can be done on both? And does XFS on unRAID make use of ECC. He didn’t mention that. Headaches.

  • @purduephotog

    @purduephotog

    4 жыл бұрын

    I ... missed the whole grudge match part. Where's the failure analysis...

  • @gotscroogled
    @gotscroogled4 жыл бұрын

    Cool. Nice overview of options for when I eventually get around to setting up a home server again.

  • @WinterCharmVT
    @WinterCharmVT4 жыл бұрын

    I was actually building a NAS storage server *right now* and was wondering this. Your video is going to be what I base my decision on. Thank you! :)

  • @MartinPaoloni
    @MartinPaoloni4 жыл бұрын

    I knew Level1Techs had done a video about this! Thanks. I'm building a NAS right now and I'm torn between unRAID and FreeNAS. I'm going for consumer-grade hardware so I'm leaning towards unRAID. Because of this, and because the FreeNAS forum seems to be more "RTFM, your hardware sucks", and less "let me help you".

  • @j.b.2561
    @j.b.25612 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your high-quality content Wendell. I really enjoy watching your videos, they're always very informative and interesting.

  • @jamesprine8565
    @jamesprine85654 жыл бұрын

    Awesome patreon just joined yesterday. Already loving it. Thanks for the helpful videos 👍

  • @the_wau_

    @the_wau_

    4 жыл бұрын

    Same here! Thanks Wendell, and everyone else at Level1.

  • @randallsmith2521
    @randallsmith25214 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this video. It was essentially a summary of what I already knew about the two products, but to hear it from you guys rather than a blog somewhere really gives it a bit more credence. Now I just have to decide if I'm going to do FreeNAS or Unraid...

  • @HellTriX

    @HellTriX

    4 жыл бұрын

    I was unable to decide this myself. So I am attempting to roll my own using Ubuntu 19.10 with the ZFS based install. So far I have everything up and running with dockers. So far so good.

  • @randallsmith2521

    @randallsmith2521

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@HellTriX basically I'm down to whether I want to be able to add drives at random or not. I plan to have backup, so while data integrity is important, I will be set in case something happens.

  • @johnnybegood8049
    @johnnybegood80494 жыл бұрын

    I was waiting for that! Thank you!

  • @awesomearizona-dino
    @awesomearizona-dino4 жыл бұрын

    EXACTLY the video i was hoping for. Thanks Wendell.

  • @DanCalloway
    @DanCalloway4 жыл бұрын

    Best of the best! Keep up the great work, guys. I've subscribed. Wish I had found you much earlier. BTW, Shadow Copy is available in Windows 10 Pro. To use this feature, go to Services, then scroll down to Volume Shadow Copy and change the Startup from Disabled to Automatic or Manual. I chose Automatic. The service starts and you're good to go.

  • @DrDingus
    @DrDingus4 жыл бұрын

    Great comparison! I'd love to see you do a more in-depth review/comparison with proxmox as well. I'm in a situation where I already have a low power i3 unraid NAS that I've been using for a couple of years. I recently built a rackmount dual xeon server with 12 hotswap bays and bought 6 x 500GB SSDs. I'm not sure if I should consolidate the unraid nas into the new, more powerful server, or just keep these things separate. I do like running dockers, but I also need to spin up VMs often.

  • @93Snips
    @93Snips4 жыл бұрын

    Enjoyed the video, thanks for sharing your knowledge!

  • @loadshooter83
    @loadshooter834 жыл бұрын

    Great video man! You are the first channel I've found on youtube that actually breaks this stuff down into layman's terms. Keep making these videos please!

  • @DavidE95959
    @DavidE959594 жыл бұрын

    It would be really nice if you could do a video/guide on what in your opinion is the best homeserver setup based on ease of use, performance and maintenance

  • @danielyount9812
    @danielyount98124 жыл бұрын

    Was unaware of Unraid will have to check it out. Really good overview of many of the Nas VM distros.

  • @DarioCruzII
    @DarioCruzII4 жыл бұрын

    This video helped me out so damn much. Thanks man.

  • @geodream.
    @geodream.4 жыл бұрын

    1:15 Did you see that ludicrous display last night? Does the summoning work with Itanium CPUs? I have a few of those laying around.

  • @HOkayson

    @HOkayson

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thing about Arsenal is, they always try and walk it in.

  • @_BangDroid_

    @_BangDroid_

    4 жыл бұрын

    Love that reference, I'm gonna watch it when I go to bed

  • @user-xd3gk2tw3n
    @user-xd3gk2tw3n4 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video keep up the good work, you are definitely spot-on with all your details,

  • @paulbowman4448
    @paulbowman44484 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the Video, Your explanations and reasoning for choices are valuable to help me choose which to use for what purpose. Keep up the great work! Video series that show the step by step process of your guides for creating these vm/dockers/jails for the noobs among your community. There are not a lot of video guide that are up to date how-to's on KZread, so great opportunity for the channel to create content for the inexperienced Home lab community members. I look forward to more Videos Along this subject matter. Great content keep it up!

  • @kouji71
    @kouji714 жыл бұрын

    After I saw your and Steve's video I swapped from ZFS + Ubuntu desktop to ZFS + Unraid. I'm really happy with it. Thanks!

  • @HellTriX

    @HellTriX

    4 жыл бұрын

    If my Ubuntu + zfs doesn't work out for some reason. I will swap to Unraid + zfs myself. :)

  • @JohnDoe-gs1cb

    @JohnDoe-gs1cb

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@HellTriX it's working?

  • @HellTriX

    @HellTriX

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnDoe-gs1cb Yeah, It's not super simple as I have to compile and build zfs for linux on ubuntu 20.10 using the source. But, I have zfs up and running for my needs.

  • @kennyj4366
    @kennyj43664 жыл бұрын

    Oh god my head hurts lol. Great video, thank you 🙂👍👍

  • @bjorn980
    @bjorn9804 жыл бұрын

    Nice Video, thank you for that!

  • @drewcipher896
    @drewcipher8962 жыл бұрын

    Great video. I learned that I don't need to use either to do what I want.

  • @akistr2883
    @akistr28834 жыл бұрын

    Nice vid Wendell , zfs (and butter-fs) is the future. I wonder if the GN build could be done by setting up an ubuntu T1hypervisor server with zfs , and just be done with it.

  • @mrbtripp2
    @mrbtripp24 жыл бұрын

    Wendell's fireside chat format is good stuff! Just need a fire in the background.

  • @myselfremade

    @myselfremade

    4 жыл бұрын

    Or a hot server

  • @Maxjoker98
    @Maxjoker984 жыл бұрын

    "... as far as I could throw Steve Ballmer" - I wonder if he rolls...

  • @NaumRusomarov

    @NaumRusomarov

    4 жыл бұрын

    .... the head definitely does.

  • @draven4464

    @draven4464

    3 жыл бұрын

    Steve Balmer: *Snorts 20 lines* *punches hole in wall* "I LOVE THIS COMPANY YEAH" *proceeds to blackout on stage*

  • @dsmooveagle18
    @dsmooveagle184 жыл бұрын

    You guys, gamers nexus, Hardware Unboxed, & Tech YES City make up the best parts of the tech community.

  • @Mashslyfox13
    @Mashslyfox134 жыл бұрын

    This vid has gotten my wheels turning and given me ideas for when I set up my home server

  • @rmp5s
    @rmp5s2 жыл бұрын

    Have run unRAID on an HP Proliant for YEARS now and it's been great. I keep adding disks to it and it keeps chugging right along. Up to ~42TB of parity protected storage! Love it!! Highly recommended!!

  • @falconeagle3655
    @falconeagle36554 жыл бұрын

    Thanks always wanted to know about these.

  • @pavlob2
    @pavlob23 жыл бұрын

    Super helpful video! What about Cassandra or GFS? How do they compare to ZFS? Also what about drive pools like StableBit? I'm trying to build a NAS and at the researching phase now... Would really appreciate the help! Thanks

  • @beauregardslim1914
    @beauregardslim19144 жыл бұрын

    ZFS is portable to macOS too, which makes it really sweet if you are dual booting on a development laptop. ClonOS looks very interesting.

  • @rudiservo
    @rudiservo4 жыл бұрын

    Never tried ZFS, but on the BTRFS I can give an input on the raid 1, 0 and 10, it saved me more times that I would like to admit. I've had disk died on me, raid 10, converted to raid 1 removed a drive completely, bad sectors and... the data is all there, I mean the survivability and resilience of btrfs on RAID 1 and 10, is so good that it's frightening, you can convert the array to practically anything while you have stuff smashing on the hard drive (I mean production stuff... pls dont kill me). Also it is natively supported by docker and LXD for snapshot and subvolumes.

  • @nickiebanchou
    @nickiebanchou4 жыл бұрын

    l1tech: FREENAS VS UNRAID! me: OMV!

  • @RealDids
    @RealDids4 жыл бұрын

    I'd like to point out that Docker support on FreeNAS can be a big PITA to setup, mainly due to the non-standard requirement of Rancher. Unraid on the other hand comes with the Docker Engine by default, and the GUI definitely works well with it.

  • @sethwilliamson
    @sethwilliamson4 жыл бұрын

    Speaking of Proxmox, a cool video idea might be to demonstrate a 3-node Proxmox/Ceph cluster, perhaps using three dual-port 100 Gbps Mellanox cards off eBay to form a three-way mesh/crossover network for their replication and sync. (Yes, scalability, but bang for the buck at this level of deployment is hard to beat.)

  • @CoMMenDaToR
    @CoMMenDaToR3 жыл бұрын

    Very useful, good job. Thank you.

  • @bikerchrisukk
    @bikerchrisukk3 жыл бұрын

    Nice overview Wendell 👍 It does sound a bit like the complexity of making unraid work as preferred, takes about a quarter/half of the time needed to learn FreeNAS (now TrueNAS of course!)?

  • @lazerusmfh
    @lazerusmfh4 жыл бұрын

    Freenas: A storage software for those who want a career learning how to use freenas Unraid: the system you end up buying and liking after you wasted weeks trying to figure out why freenas broke and you couldn’t fix it.

  • @krisiscove

    @krisiscove

    4 жыл бұрын

    Lol I have enjoyed my time learning BSD to keep my freenas system running haha.

  • @Mr.Leeroy

    @Mr.Leeroy

    4 жыл бұрын

    the thing wont't work if you are not willing to make effort to configure it. ofc it will eventually fail. Especially true in case of ZFS, which is unforgiving enterprise-level difficulty file system.

  • @lazerusmfh

    @lazerusmfh

    4 жыл бұрын

    Leeroy my point is the people who use this for home use shouldn’t waste their time with freenas. It breaks and you’re spending hours in the forums trying to figure out what file you need to edit, or what file you need to patch to fix the problem. I’m other words, unless you have extensive Linux knowledge and/or time, and need maximum disk performance, unraid is way better. I have three 40+ TB unraid installations (one home and one at my office) and they’re all together less headache than the one freenas one I have, especially when a drive fails. Also, Try GPU Passthrough on freenas :)

  • @krisiscove

    @krisiscove

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@lazerusmfh I mean everyone's experience is different. My freenas setup has been running great for the past 4 years now. It is "joined" to my domain, LDAP is working well. The shares I have are assigned to groups within my AD domain so permissions are a breeze. I have gone through a raidz expansion (just replaces all my drives with bigger ones and expanding the pool) that was fairly painless. I have 4 jails running 2 vm's and a docker contrainer running. I have a 10Gbe NIC and my drivers are fast enough to saturate it. I haven't needed GPU passthrough so I can't speak on that.

  • @ertpecsertpecs

    @ertpecsertpecs

    4 жыл бұрын

    I didn't think freenas was hard to get up and running. I've been running it for probably 8 or 9 years now. I never took any it classes or anything besides pascal in the 90s. I just know how to read

  • @distantanomaly9649
    @distantanomaly96494 жыл бұрын

    I was having an issue trying to figure out what I'd use for my newly built NAS. UnRaid is cool and all but realized I didn't want to pay knowing that at some point I'll have more than 6 storage devices added. So I went with FreeNas!

  • @chorleyprint3813
    @chorleyprint38134 жыл бұрын

    Hey. I’ve been watching your videos with interest as we are about to replace our current Dell server as we are running out of space (our current server is a T320 with only space for 4 hard drives). I see you use freenas quite a bit so I wondered whether you would recommend freenas over Windows Server (we are currently using Windows Server 2016 std) for a file server and if so, why?

  • @gravypod
    @gravypod4 жыл бұрын

    Have you tried Ceph as a storage backend? A lot of enterprise things I've looked at recently have been using that as a distributed block store and file system.

  • @RealDids
    @RealDids4 жыл бұрын

    Regarding the Docker IP binding in Unraid, it is actually possible using the GUI alone, but it requires dedicating a single NIC to Docker/the IP in question.

  • @shifty277
    @shifty2773 жыл бұрын

    Great video and explanation. I hope you know that. Thumbs up.

  • @Level1Techs

    @Level1Techs

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad you liked it! ~ Editor Amber

  • @Banzai51
    @Banzai514 жыл бұрын

    "I love FreeNAS and ZFS, but I know in my heart of hearts that Unraid is better for home users. But I don't want to admit that so I'll talk around it and bring up a bunch of other products that we really shouldn't be talking about for home users."

  • @stevoblevo

    @stevoblevo

    3 жыл бұрын

    this is so true, and if I made a video I think I would fall into the same trap. The problem is that ZFS, BSD, and jails are technologically superior so a geek has a hard time giving up on them. Linux, docker, and the rest has more popularity which is far better for a home user. Even in watching this video I know I should go with UnRaid but that ZFS/BSD/Jail goodness tho!

  • @KeeganDent
    @KeeganDent4 жыл бұрын

    Man you’ve got to try XCP-ng with the open Xen Orchestra web management. Getting familiar with xenserver commands takes a bit, but the payoff being able to use this FOSS but enterprise-grade L1 hypervisor is worth it

  • @JohnDoe-gs1cb

    @JohnDoe-gs1cb

    3 жыл бұрын

    There are so few GOOD videos of xen

  • @brent225
    @brent2254 жыл бұрын

    Fully respect that. I'm a power user not a system admin so FreeNAS is well over my head.. The community was also 0 help, expect to get rinsed for not reading/understanding the wiki before posting. Unraid is perfect for me plenty of good video tutorials(spaceinvader one) and the forum is a wealth of information.

  • @ChristianHolzberger
    @ChristianHolzberger4 жыл бұрын

    For the docker Autostart try restart=unless-stopped. The Containers should come up right after reboot.

  • @positivemelon7578
    @positivemelon75784 жыл бұрын

    Wow! I never knew you could do the trick to show zfs snapshots on windows, I'll set that up right now.

  • @MrNoname7890
    @MrNoname78904 жыл бұрын

    3:00 I didn't expect my rack to suddenly appear. What a weird surprise xD

  • @wcg66
    @wcg663 жыл бұрын

    I eventually settled on using unRAID because I started out with an array of mismatched drives. I bought a bigger parity drive on sale and started from there. The advantage for me is that the application support via docker does everything I needed that I was setting up manually with command line Linux: Plex, sabnzbd, Transmission, Steam game servers, backup clients, BTSync, etc. I’ve had a 4 TB drive fail and the server continued to work via emulation, added a new drive of a different size, and recovered fully.

  • @Doveux
    @Doveux3 жыл бұрын

    Looking to upgrade my NAS from the Synology DS218j (Served me well, but very underpowered) which I want to run Nextcloud and Plex on---it's tricky to know what the best option is, my unfamiliarity with BSD is leading me more towards a Linux-based option, also knowing if I have access to docker than I can basically run anything I want in a clean manner. I hadn't considered Unraid before, but I'll be looking closely at it now. I'm also curious if you've used Nethserver at all? It's CentOS/RHEL based, primary GUI is provided by Cockpit which on other systems seems quite lacking in features but the Nethcloud team have really added a lot into it.

  • @josephdtarango
    @josephdtarango4 жыл бұрын

    You can setup ZFS on Ubuntu; which gives the best user experience. FreeNAS is for those that want a dedicated system.

  • @johngaltline9933
    @johngaltline99334 жыл бұрын

    Now we just need to figure out how to mount a ZFS pool as a drive in Unraid's array. Currently considering using hardware raid to make use of two dozen 500GB 15k RPM drives I have sitting around.

  • @erazorCTF
    @erazorCTF4 жыл бұрын

    When he occasionally looks at the second camera, it throws me off :D

  • @Daldaren
    @Daldaren4 жыл бұрын

    Great shoutout to Primitive Technology.. One of the best KZread channels.

  • @xVOniEnzeruVx
    @xVOniEnzeruVx4 жыл бұрын

    Been using proxmox for a few years as well. Absolutely loving it

  • @akurenda1985
    @akurenda19854 жыл бұрын

    I started with UnRAID, but recently just set up a virtualized FreeNAS install in my ESXI 6.7 host. The main thing I switched to FreeNAS for is ZFS, better virtualization, and I found that my Plex works better on FreeNAS that on UnRAID. I love the idea of UnRAID and the forever expansion of storage, but honestly if you use mirrors in FreeNAS, you're just buying 2 drives instead of 1 and you're getting multiple drive performance when you add to that pool. I'm still deciding what I wanna do with my Unraid box. I toyed with the idea of Proxmox and setting up some ZFS shares, or possibly virtualizing another FreeNAS install for replication. ClonOS looks pretty neat! I may give it a try. As always, keep the good content coming. You're a freakin' IT guru.

  • @Mr.Leeroy

    @Mr.Leeroy

    4 жыл бұрын

    >you're just buying 2 drives instead of 1 and you're getting multiple drive performance when you add to that pool moreover, keep the pools separate and do not compromise overall reliability.

  • @pankothompson5903
    @pankothompson59034 жыл бұрын

    very good engagement!

  • @yashaskm11
    @yashaskm11 Жыл бұрын

    We need an updated video, truenas scale vs unraid

  • @deemitchell4603
    @deemitchell46033 жыл бұрын

    Dude, any chance of a review on your sponsers ASROCK board? It might require a 2nd mortgage but I'm gonna have to check that out.

  • @513v3
    @513v33 жыл бұрын

    Really Helpfull Thanks

  • @justwhyamerica
    @justwhyamerica4 жыл бұрын

    Great video. I would love to see and help with a proxmox video. you should have said cockpit instead of webmin for virtual machines. You can do all the networking and storage stuff from the webui. You can do basic VM creation and configuration in the cockpit ui but do things pci passthrough or managing lvm storage you need virt-manager or use the virsh scripts

  • @Mr.Leeroy

    @Mr.Leeroy

    4 жыл бұрын

    >You can do all the networking and storage stuff from the webui Can it manage openvswitch?

  • @code1997
    @code19974 жыл бұрын

    Ever took a look at XCP-ng and XOA?

  • @douglasds7265
    @douglasds72652 жыл бұрын

    The sumoning video was awesome!!!!

  • @mjc0961
    @mjc09612 жыл бұрын

    "Oh it's the home team, look at the sportsball go!" Hit Like just for that part. 😂

  • @EposVox
    @EposVox4 жыл бұрын

    Super helfpful!

  • @godarayudhvir

    @godarayudhvir

    3 жыл бұрын

    I can imagine u saying just that in ur voice. and u dictating lord of rings after that 😂

  • @brianmccullough4578
    @brianmccullough45784 жыл бұрын

    Wendell I love this video, keep it up! I'm just a noob but I'm like a sponge at this point, what does the "enterprise" space do differently than what us plebs are used to on our windows boxes....sorry I'm still trying to figure out how linux works

  • @thewheelieguy

    @thewheelieguy

    3 жыл бұрын

    We need to make this storage pool larger -- home user "buy a few disks and swap them one by one" takes 12 hours to rebuild and swap each one, small risk of data loss. Enterprise "buy 12 new disks, build a new array, copy the data, take down the old" takes 15 hours total, no risk of data loss. Enterprise folks will trade up money and server capacity for improved time and reliability.

  • @jagardina
    @jagardina4 жыл бұрын

    I used FreeNAS but had trouble getting a VM to work reliably. Probably my shortcoming. I then gave ProxMox a try and it's been working great for almost a year. I use it as a NAS using ZFS and have been very happy with it.

  • @jagardina

    @jagardina

    4 жыл бұрын

    ProxMox does support ZFS without doing any back flips. It's just one of the options when you configure a storage array.

  • @cbremer83
    @cbremer834 жыл бұрын

    Been running freenas at home for about three years now. Zero issue with it. Storage upgrades are pretty simple with ZFS. I have added one more three drive VDEV so far. Went smooth. Only drawback to this is that the old data is not redistributed between the VDEVs after adding one.

  • @fbisurveillancevan1635
    @fbisurveillancevan16354 жыл бұрын

    I have the tower version of that case. Can you put up a parts list that you used to connect the disk shelf including the disk shelf part? I've been thinking about expanding and rather than trial and error, I willl go with what someone has already tried and worked.

  • @ZeroB4NG
    @ZeroB4NG4 жыл бұрын

    IMHO for home users unRAID is the best option simply because you can mix and match HDDs pretty much any way you want (parity disk needs to be the largest in the system but that is the only rule), with FreeNAS last time i checked you need an array of same sized drives and once it is running you can't change anything anymore after the fact, with unRAID i recently even removed a drive from my Array. Small 1TB disk finally died, i just moved the data in emulated mode to another disk that had free space with the unbalance plugin, then just redid the parity disk over night and voila its back up and running with one old disk less, no data lost. The other thing is, as a home user i got the System in my room, i don't have a dedicated server room (yet *cough* maybe one day) point being every HDD that spins makes noise, uses power, ZFS relies on the server running 24/7 356 days a week, the HDDs never spin down, i got called names in the FreeNAS sub-reddit (bunch of fainbois!) because i dared to ask if it could do that. unRAID spins down HDDs after being 15 minutes idle (well you can set it up any way you want), point being my unRAID Server, while idle is whisper quiet.

  • @HulksterHogan
    @HulksterHogan4 жыл бұрын

    You want me to sum up the FreeNAS user experience? *Permission error

  • @meptalon

    @meptalon

    4 жыл бұрын

    FreeNAS experience: try and scratch your head on how it works, go to forum, get scolded or looked down to for being a noob Unraid experience: go through pretty much everything without much help as it's very easy to use, go to forums to see what else you could do, get amazing advice and friendly help from a great community understanding that people have to start somewhere...

  • @Mr.Leeroy

    @Mr.Leeroy

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@meptalon what you described sounds like on freenas forums there was a complete misunderstanding between you and people who showed up in your thread. First you failed to find a solution to own problem by researching what's already known (and I bet that it was a known issue and it was possible to avoid that misunderstanding altogether), then you failed to get help and after couple such confusions you left freenas in hope that it would be easier in other ecosystem -> unraid. But the thing is that it is not easier, but there are more less educated people that manage to support each other and you get impression that 1st community was more hostile than this one..

  • @Mr.Leeroy

    @Mr.Leeroy

    4 жыл бұрын

    I don't spend much time there, but I never seen people on freenas forums "get scolded or looked down to for being a noob" when I looked up my own issues. makes me wanna ask for link to your thread were it really happened.

  • @KeithPatton

    @KeithPatton

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Mr.Leeroy you obviously haven't had the (dis)pleasure of dealing with Cyberjock I see

  • @frosty9392

    @frosty9392

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@meptalon you must be one of those people that gets offended when they get told they are doing something wrong or just an unraid shill lol

  • @madspaz77098
    @madspaz770984 жыл бұрын

    Proxmox is amazeballs. Love the multi-master cluster idea and it is solid. Been using it for years.

  • @tonypilborg

    @tonypilborg

    4 жыл бұрын

    So much agree with that - Proxmox sits very nicely in the space - for a NAS + VM (with good passthrough support). I know it is a bit more VM and container focused, but ZFS OOB... So for a case like Gamers Nexus, I would neither use FreeNAS (where VM is bolted on), nor Unraid - which isn't Open Source - and having to bolt on ZFS yourself is just not the way to go.... (and autostart VMs and containers works ;)

  • @JohnDoe-gs1cb

    @JohnDoe-gs1cb

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@tonypilborg but what are the best practices? Using a VM for everything? Freenas on VM over Proxmox? Im looking to have Nextcloud too.

  • @tonypilborg

    @tonypilborg

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnDoe-gs1cb The boring answer is (as always) - it depends.... If you only have one box, then I would much prefer Proxmox (with ZFS), and then some system on top to yield services like backup and sharing... FreeNAS could be used, but it is intended for managing its own disks (and here it definitely shouldn't) - so perhaps other products could be considered for the role of managing storage... But it is very much possible to run everything as a WM or a container on a single Proxmox server - Including a PfSense that never lacks access to power :) - TrueNAS/FreeNAS or services like Nextcloud... Or even Xpenology..

  • @hkalisvaart
    @hkalisvaart4 жыл бұрын

    Wendel, have you tried playing around with the alpha for zfs raidz expansion?

  • @steven44799
    @steven447994 жыл бұрын

    Napp-it is a good zfs GUI if you are ok using a Solaris based OS, they have a free version that doesn't include stats/replication in the GUI but is otherwise not feature/capacity limited.

  • @sazrocks6
    @sazrocks64 жыл бұрын

    Wendell there’s a switch to autostart docker containers... no script needed.

  • @matthewbooker9469
    @matthewbooker94694 жыл бұрын

    I think what splits the community is exactly what you said, FreeNAS is a lot more like enterprise products which will appeal to some people, unraid is more user friendly which equally will appeal to others. Overall whichever you prefer is best for you, I see people argue over it but if you can do what you want to on either one then who cares...

  • @johnwpierce3
    @johnwpierce34 жыл бұрын

    Command line ZFS is freekin awesome. I ZFS EVERYTHING! I love building dual role Routers/NAS machines for my small biz clients. Router/Nas, ZFS, Funtoo, Bind, Apache, Mariadb, PHP, Postfix, Dovecot, Asterisk, Wayland, Sway and everything in between. Been using Linux for 20+ years. Started sysad 4 years ago by learning vanilla Asterisk, which lead to everything else. It's work, but it is an excellent launchpad and provides plenty of opportunities. Small business consulting is a great place to start applying these skills. You'll wear a lot of hats being in business for yourself, but the reward is well worth it. P.S. GUI's are for Web Browsing, do everything else in a terminal.

  • @RubenKelevra
    @RubenKelevra4 жыл бұрын

    "Not the most stable experience, unless you run bleeding edge." 😙🎶

  • @psionx1

    @psionx1

    4 жыл бұрын

    if your using bleeding edge and something isn't broken then your clearly not doing enough with it to actually need it to begin with. security updates usually don't cause many issues but library and kernel updates 100% have the ability to cause WW3.

  • @auyerrafael3944
    @auyerrafael39444 жыл бұрын

    Wendel and GN is THE collab of 2019 ! Wendel, hand out some Linux pills for the techtubers !!!

  • @meptalon
    @meptalon4 жыл бұрын

    On the docker container "not starting after reboot", I beg to differ, it works just fine here (and did on older versions and still works on the latest one). I can even choose which dockers always run at boot and which ones don't. Not sure why or how you did, but it's not about Unraid not supporting proper docker start at boot time.

  • @djnaffie

    @djnaffie

    4 жыл бұрын

    Same here, running Unraid for over 9 years now (still from the same 2GB USB drive it came on lol) and used docker from when it was available. I never had problems with docker not starting, or the array not starting (only when there's something wrong with a disk). Array starts, shares are mounted, Docker starts and then the individual dockers start.

  • @aidanjt

    @aidanjt

    4 жыл бұрын

    If I were to wager a guess, I'd say shoehorning in ZFS may have throwing the supported boot up routine out of whack. But yes, unless you do something crazy, your dockers should absolutely start on boot.

  • @JohnDoe-gs1cb

    @JohnDoe-gs1cb

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@djnaffie and how is your experience after 10 years? Did you loose some file?

  • @djnaffie

    @djnaffie

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnDoe-gs1cb I've lost several hard drives in the past 10 years and I could always recover from parity. Only once I lost some data when I didn't follow the right procedure to replace a failed disk. But that was my own fault.

  • @Inkrementalgeber
    @Inkrementalgeber4 жыл бұрын

    Do you plan to make an updated KVM/QEMU + GPU Passthrough guide?

  • @TylerB_777
    @TylerB_7774 жыл бұрын

    Steve should look into Serva. It's a windows pxe program. It works quickly but is more focused on serving isos rather than imaging.

  • @Kenny_Ded
    @Kenny_Ded4 жыл бұрын

    Windows = Schizofrenik moose on rollerblades ❤

  • @thegreatga
    @thegreatga4 жыл бұрын

    I just want a hypervisor with the awesomeness of esxi, stability of bsd, and a file system using zfs, that also supports HA, is completely free, and wrapped in a well working GUI. So i use esxi with freenas as a vm. clonOS looks super cool.

  • @WatDoino

    @WatDoino

    4 жыл бұрын

    ESXI isn’t really free...

  • @MNGermann
    @MNGermann4 жыл бұрын

    ShadowCopy is still there, just need to be enable on system -> system protection -> enable (and select hopw much space you want to use to the service) :)

  • @exow5552
    @exow55524 жыл бұрын

    You made unraid to work with ZFS, well done :D

  • @ReEngineerTech
    @ReEngineerTech3 жыл бұрын

    Looking at this to research doing a video exploring making one of my old computer into a nas.... my brains might be leaking out a bit!

  • @uninfamous
    @uninfamous4 жыл бұрын

    This seems to be FreeNAS vs. unRAID specifically with ZFS. I know even parity doesn’t compare to ZFS, but I’m happy with it.

  • @ZWill07
    @ZWill074 жыл бұрын

    “Schizophrenic moose on roller blades” lmao

  • @UnknownIllusionist
    @UnknownIllusionist2 жыл бұрын

    There's truenas scale that is in beta. Would love to see a video on that from you guys! Zfs with the ease of VMs and docker on Linux seems like the best of both worlds

  • @idokwatcher2062
    @idokwatcher20623 жыл бұрын

    Docker containers to do what? What do docker containers have to do with network attached storage?

  • @GobblesPlays
    @GobblesPlays4 жыл бұрын

    In depth explorations/guides of freenas please

  • @nevoyu
    @nevoyu4 жыл бұрын

    Ever consider trying Open Media Vault?

  • @guitaristtom
    @guitaristtom3 жыл бұрын

    Maybe with it switching over to TrueNAS Core, maybe it'll be worth making a new "2021 edition" of this video?

  • @balloth
    @balloth2 жыл бұрын

    Hello, you talk in this vid about tests of BTRFS Raid 5/6, the only thing I found regarding Raid BTRFS on your YT channel or blog was about RAID 1. Did you misspoke in this vid? If not, where can I found the blog post/vid about it if there is one?

  • @Monasucks
    @Monasucks4 жыл бұрын

    Please more of this stuff

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