Thanks for stopping by and seeing our truck

@FutureAZA

8 ай бұрын

No problem 👍It was a great demo and I hope I did you guys justice.

That looks like a right to repair dream come true

@rogerstarkey5390

9 ай бұрын

Still on that one? You do know a Tesla owner can burrow DEEP onto service menus? Download manuals, etc?

@Neojhun

7 ай бұрын

@@rogerstarkey5390 But on 2070 cell and later packs the modules are exposyed together and getting new replacement high voltage power electronics is very difficult. Most of the battery packs are also Not repairable once you open them up sealing points are only destructively opened. It's great Tesla is selling access to service manuals and diag tools, but that's useless if you can't acess the parts. They know they should do better but are unwilling to for a whole bunch of reasons.

@Compuvenger

7 ай бұрын

That's part of the ethos of the company is ease of repair in-field, with off-the-shelf parts whenever possible.

@wild_lee_coyote

7 ай бұрын

Edison Motors is putting the right to repair in the hands of every owner of one of their trucks. I’d the truck has a check engine code pop up not only will it give you the code. It will tell you what part it is and even the part numbers. They will provide full parts lists for every truck manufactured. They also believe in longevity so all the parts are cheap and reliable. They don’t do custom $1000 headlights, they pick $20 LED units you can order off the shelf. They don’t do cheap plastic air lines that leak, but braided rubber hoses with brass fittings that won’t leak after years of abuse on snowy muddy and salty roads. Chase is adamant about building a truck that will last 50 years and still have of the shelf parts for you to repair it on your own.

Can't wait to see these guys succeed.

@baconthevainglorious7371

8 ай бұрын

At some point just doing something solid like the good old days will be the selling point. Best part this is only a profitable business model for smaller companies. The market is a beautiful thing

Hi Brian I had a chance to say hi to you at the conference. Thanks for showcasing these smaller Canadian companies that are thinking differently and using more first principles thinking. The strategy on this truck and mission of this company is showing that the EV transition doesn’t need to be so polarizing.

@FutureAZA

9 ай бұрын

It was a great event. Glad I could connect with these folks and get the word out. These types of videos are never my most viewed, but it's the kind of thing I feel needs to be shared.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think this thing looks awesome!

@FutureAZA

9 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more!

@rogerstarkey5390

9 ай бұрын

Perfect example of "built for purpose" Pull into the local Steel Yard and say "cut me a new panel".

@baconthevainglorious7371

8 ай бұрын

I know it at least looks like it'd protect me from a tree if I was a tree worker

I love the DIY kind of development. Purpose built EVs can fill all the niches.

@Neojhun

7 ай бұрын

This is a very blurry blend of DIY and industry experts developing a purpose built vehicle. One of their partners is freaking Flodraulic who engineered the power electronics and VCU software. Soo not entirely DIY when a legacy company is your partner.

The nicest thing about this truck is how seamlessly you eliminated the right hand side blindspot that defeated manufacturers and drivers for years. real machine!!❤

So just something I noticed in the video from following along, the truck they're showcasing is the L500, the L750 is going to be a tri drive (250KW per drive axle seems to be the measurement.) Also, in terms of the brake point, My old truck (formerly my dads old truck) with 1.1 Million kilometers on it when I sold it had 1 break job at 400K due to a blown wheel seal, all depends on how you drive, we pulled up to 100K kg on 10 axles. Still very impressive how they figure it will be on hills Regardless, It's fantastic that they're getting publicity with Topsy! I see a bright future for Edison, I've been following from the beginning. Maybe one day I'll get to run an edison with a picker on it, that'd be a treat 😉

@FutureAZA

8 ай бұрын

They still have a way to go, but it's very promising. Thanks for sharing some perspective from the road.

Wow! Yes, it is a beast. I would have to argue that it is also a beauty. The champion right to repair. They're doing what they can with what we've got right now. We can't solve tomorrow's problems with tomorrow's technology. We've got to do what we can with what we've got right now and that's what they're doing and they're doing it in style

Love seeing small business types, especially ones who are truly trying to find solutions to make things better. This guy is not chasing a big IPO so he can cash out and bail on the company. He could transform logging and maybe other tough industries that need commercial trucks for various jobs. I do think battery tech is moving very fast and the idea of removing the whole diesel engine package would be great. These local mills seem like an ideal spot to setup charging stations with solar and battery storage that could not only help electric logging trucks, but possibly the mill. Having no diesel engine would lower costs for both production and maintenance. As a bonus, they might be able to shorten the truck, making those mountain roads and remote work sites easier to maneuver. I love the thinking through repairs aspect. Trying to keep things simple. This is not the kind of equipment you use for ten years and toss. Probably by the time his company is ready for a limited protection run, fast charging for commercial trucks will be proven and it will likely be under 30 minutes. If a logging truck can have a 350 miles range, recharge in 30 minutes, and get mills onboard with doing solar, battery storage, with charging stations, that would be a winning package. Knocking out the noise, pollution, and maintenance costs for log haulers would be a win for many, not just the driver.

@rogerstarkey5390

9 ай бұрын

This is a case of an industry demonstrator. Just as the "PepsiCo fleet" is running extensive real world tests of the Tesla Semi, this can enter an environment where there may be "scepticism" and prove the concept. If the truck performs the logging function while never needing the generator, there could well be a version built without that unit. As mentioned, it's a "one of one" ground up prototype, a demonstrator. . Now they can get drivers in the seat, doing the job, to evaluate performance.

@baconthevainglorious7371

8 ай бұрын

The main thing j worry about is the cost to environment to mine enough ore to supply all these giant batteries. I feel as tho hybrid might be the better solution, with maybe a hydrogen or ammonia burning generator swapped in, just so we can conserve our fancy elements for other more needed causes like medicine, high tech, and personal use.

@kevtheobald

8 ай бұрын

@@baconthevainglorious7371 I keep seeing reports about how over blown fears like that is and hydrogen has many issues and resource needs. If a EV can be powered via solar through onboard solar or off grid chargers, it is way better than gas or hydrogen for the environment and other concerns.

@baconthevainglorious7371

8 ай бұрын

@@kevtheobald the main question is who's paying for those reports. I just don't see how it could be that small an issue if you think about the work that goes into mining. Only like 1% or less of a given rocks or muds weight gets converted into useful elements, and the process to do it involves lots of heavy machinery running on diesel, and energy intensive heating and separation methods that use enormous power and potentially fuel sources. The current battery tech just needs too much stuff per battery specifically for industrial sized vehicles in my eyes. Consumer evs can have at it, but those giant 3-story mining trucks would need several cars worth of batteries so it just feels unrealistic to try and make everything battery today until solid state or carbon/salt based batteries, or whatever tech will get us out next 10-x improvement

PERFECT USE CASE!!!

My only issue with your interview is repeatedly calling Topsy ugly. That truck is GORGEOUS!

@FutureAZA

8 ай бұрын

Oh but you misunderstand. I mean it as a compliment. Like "beast" or "monster". It's not trying to be anything it isn't. Brutalist design at its finest.

@rustyshakelford4232

8 ай бұрын

@@FutureAZA My bad!

There is a "stealth" movement of people converting smogmobiles to EVs. It's been done lots with Beetles and lead-acid, but it really won't be that hard to do once the parts are available. Organizations like SEMA might help with this. Regardless, Edison has pioneered this but anyone with a sharp brain and a spreadsheet who works in city management or anyone at Waste Management (for example) ought to have figured out by NOW that there would be an awful lot of benefits to having Edison "rebuild" their waste collection units when they need their next motor rebuild. And they probably WON'T need the generator, so remove the diesel and the transmission, fit in e-axles and a battery and controls ... won't be cheap to build but WILL BE cheap to run! (And quieter).

I would totally binge watch a season of discovery channels Alaska's ice road truckers if they were driving these things!

@rogerstarkey5390

9 ай бұрын

That's "Ice Road not ICE Truckers" 😉

@D0li0

9 ай бұрын

@@rogerstarkey5390 I think that's what I said... ya, ice road, not ICE road either. So Ice road BEV Truckers is what I wanna watch...

@daniellewis1789

8 ай бұрын

​@@D0li0BC BEV Loggers, maybe?

@D0li0

8 ай бұрын

@@daniellewis1789 oh ya, I'd watch that!

AWESOME!

Makes 100% sense for logging where you drive up a mountain, load up with several thousand pounds of weight, and then drive down a hill to charge back up. =) These kinds of vehicles are what will change the overall opinions. As batteries come down in cost there will be no reason to buy ice vehicles. I'm involved in emergency response and we deal in remote locations all the time. The number of generators in an ICP is really high. It'll be interesting as we shift to more electrically powered vehicles over time. Maybe we'll be renting megapacks and giant solar canopies. Who knows!? Exciting times we live in. =)

@sempi8159

8 ай бұрын

I doesn't though that would be a perpetual motion mashine and thats not possible

@kennethwhitmer4232

8 ай бұрын

@@sempi8159 Its not perpetual motion because it goes up the mountain empty and down the mountain loaded with tens of thousands of pounds. The added load adds a bunch more force that the truck has to hold back. It uses regenerative braking to recharge the battery. There is a mine truck in Norway that already does this.

@wild_lee_coyote

7 ай бұрын

Since you are involved in emergency response, think about how nice it would be to arrive on scene with a 350kw generator, and 250kwh of silent battery power. This is with 3 phase power, so welders, plasma cutters, jaws of life, lights, and more. You could power a medical center, or temporary shelter. They have been looking into converting fire trucks and other first responding equipment. But even without that just think about the good 3 or 4 Edison logging trucks could do to help out a community stuck in a blizzard for a couple of days.

I think it looks awsome, no frills just all business

this truck is not a diesel electric, nor is it a hybrid completely electric drive with an onboard generator that can be run if the batteries get close to minimum amperage that drives the axles. I have been in the A/C drive rotating equipment field for the last 30 years never heard of a unit catching on fire. I hope the regen circuit is adequate to keep the batteries amped up.

Thanks for sharing

@FutureAZA

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Attaboy Matt! Great interview.

THANKS BRIAN,MARK ,🤗👍😎💚💚💚

With a bit of solar it could hypothetically go where there is no gas…

Will change logging in a real good way!

I'd class this as an "Occasional" or "Emergency" hybrid. Justified *in the case specified* due to the possibility of for instance being stranded off road in severe weather. Unlikely, but possible. . They get a rain check..... Until tests reveal it's not needed.

@FutureAZA

9 ай бұрын

Individual customers likely know their use case. If they don't need it, they won't have it added.

@JonathanChadburn

8 ай бұрын

Chase has pointed out that the generator doesn't have to stay diesel, it could be a natural gas or hydrogen one down the road. They wanted to keep it diesel so that it could use what is already out there for now.

"free to drive"...I wonder if this is literally what would happen if you drove the unladen truck to the top of the mountain and added 50,000 lbs of logs to it, then "re-gen'd" down the mountain, could you actually put more energy back into the batteries than you consumed for the round-trip?

@celeron55

9 ай бұрын

It depends on the efficiency of it all, and the steepness of the slope. If you're efficient enough and the slope is steep enough, you will. If not, you'll be lacking more or less. It all goes into the savings though. As said in the video, fuel is expensive, you have lots of incentive to save it.

@truhartwood3170

9 ай бұрын

You just restated the whole point of the video, but did so as if you thought of it yourself 😊

@enighostmaster

9 ай бұрын

@@truhartwood3170 Sorry I must have missed that segment of the video

Brian A word from the "Battery Police". 5:43 You say "I assume Lithium ion rather than LFP" . THE "L" in "LFP" is Lithium. . "LiFePo4" cells work by transfer of "Lithium ions" back and forth between the Anode and Cathode. .... "Lithium ion" is the general classification of cell type. . "Lithium ion" cells include: *Iron based* LFP (LiFePo4) ... And for instance *Nickel (Ni) based* NCA (LiNixCoyAlzO2) Nickel Cobalt Aluminum Or NMC (LiNixMnyCozO2) Nickel Manganese Cobalt And others. . The common factor, All contain, and use ionic transfer of "Li" (lithium) ..... I believe the confusion stems from the similarity between the words "IRON" and "ION" which for some reason may instill a belief that they are mutually exclusive. . A better description would be either "Iron based Lithium ion" Or "Nickel based Lithium ion". .... We can of course burrow further down into the subcategories of LMFP ("LFP" Plus Manganese) or Various other Nickel combinations. . Then we also have the new kid on the block "M3P" (!) Which appears to be an Iron based cell "doped" with small amounts of Zinc, Aluminum and Magnesium (NOT Manganese) to improve performance. If these assumptions are correct, M3P is STILL a "Lithium ion" ( *iron based* ) cell chemistry. . Then of course we have SILICON ion cells, which ARE a different category. . Hope this helps.

@FutureAZA

9 ай бұрын

He knew what I was saying. You knew what I was saying. If someone didn't know the common parlance, I'm not sure the question or answer would make any difference. But tha k you for clarification for those who are newer to the space. We all start somewhere.

@rogerstarkey5390

9 ай бұрын

@@FutureAZA We're in that "educate the general public" space now....

I don't know why the focus was ugly. I think it's beautiful

@Joe-xq3zu

7 ай бұрын

I prefer to think of it as 'distinct', so many modern vehicles just end up looking bland and same-ish that something like this really stands out.

I disagree about the aesthetics. I think Topsy is a classic case of beautiful form follows function. It is beautiful, just not in a plastic surgery kind of way, and that's just perfect. Think of it like an athlete versus a model, who do you want on your team when you've gotta bring your game? The beautiful athlete, or the beautiful model?

@FutureAZA

7 ай бұрын

Which one is Beckham?

I thinks it's gorgeous !😅

hmmmmm can we swap out the generator and fuel tank with more batteries? would the on board systems be able to make use of them? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

@ChristopherACorn

9 ай бұрын

It has modular battery units...swap out with the latest as battery tech watt hour density advances. And one could swap out the diesel (natural gas or propane) genset with a Mr Fusion, woodgas unit or hydrogen fuel cell.

@FutureAZA

9 ай бұрын

They will be built to customer specifications, so if that fits their use case, there you go.

@daniellewis1789

8 ай бұрын

They've explicitly said the hood is nice and squared off partly to fit battery modules, for customers who don't need a range extender genset.

@ks_hunter7327

8 ай бұрын

Not when you are in the bush. You need a tried and true back up

More great content Brian. That’s definitely a hybrid since it burns diesel but it’s so cool that at least it reduces some of the diesel burn. One step at a time.

@AKJammer1

9 ай бұрын

A hybrid has an ice as part of the power train. This does not. Range extender is a good name for it.

@truhartwood3170

9 ай бұрын

So if you put a generator in the trunk of a Tesla it automatically becomes a hybrid? No, I don't think that's how that works. A hybrid is a hybrid because it has a hybrid power train. This truck does not. You have to pull over and turn it off and sit there while you recharge the batteries from what it sounds like.

@jbullforg

8 ай бұрын

@@truhartwood3170 Looking at some of Edison's content; they want the generator to be programmable. So it would switch on and off at a preset charge states. This will let you have the generator switch on and off while on the go. No need to stop the truck except to refuel the fuel for the generator.

@kstricl

8 ай бұрын

​@@truhartwood3170all these comments are correct. Best description would be a range extended EV. The way the truck is designed, you could pull the generator, replace that section with more batteries, and the truck would be happy. Flodraulics would need to adjust the programming a bit to account for the change, but that's in the plans.

@truhartwood3170

8 ай бұрын

@@kstricl so... not a hybrid.

Not a hybrid. It is like a diesel locomotive. The train is actually run on electric motors. The Diesel engines are just large generators for the electric motors.

@daniellewis1789

8 ай бұрын

A locomotive can't run without the diesel, this can go 100+ miles, loaded, without turning on the genset motor.

@Brok3nC4rrot

8 ай бұрын

Yeah like @daniellewis1789 said, DE locomotives run the generator 100% of the time. There is no storage between genny and motors, just wires. A range extended electric truck like the Edison draws all motive power from the batteries, and never from the genny. The genny is only used when battery capacity is insufficient for the trip.

@paulbedichek5177

8 ай бұрын

That is what a hybrid is.

@Neojhun

7 ай бұрын

This has a 200kWh battery which should be good for 50 miles plus at 100,000lbs GVW. Probably like over 100 miles empty at 40,000lbs. This is based on slow country road speeds.

@daniellewis1789

7 ай бұрын

@@paulbedichek5177 A hybrid can't operate without the prime mover. In the same way a Tesla with a genset rachet strapped to the roof isn't a hybrid even if it's charging while moving, the Edison truck isn't a hybrid. Specifically, their platform is designed to swap the genset for another battery bank (which fits nicely under the square hood) as an option, potentially doubling or more the battery capacity.

Where can |I get some stocks on this company?

My first thought Ooooo! Kinda like the Cybertruck!! Makes you wonder if they saw the CT and said "Why not flat panels??"

@shrekk5047

8 ай бұрын

It's modeled after the old pacific trucks and c500 kw. Not the cybertruck

@Neojhun

7 ай бұрын

The reason why CT has flat panels because it's based on a CNC Press Brake. An industrial back bone manufacture method. The first time I saw one much of been the late 1990s but apparently they date back the 1970s. I knew exactly this reason the instant it rolled out of fog.

I don't know how the battery packs will hold up to the task. It's all nice theories, but these evs keep burning up. We will see how they hold up over the next couple of years. I hope they succeed, although I'm not very optimistic.

@FutureAZA

8 ай бұрын

EVs are 20x less likely to go up in flames than dino burners. Even the famously flamey Chevy Volt was still 6x less likely to burn. Whoever is pushing that myth is trying to deceive people to slow adoption.

@Neojhun

7 ай бұрын

NONSENSE, stop using your ICE vehicles if you are scared of vehicle fires. Primal Fear mongering works exceptionally well.

I don't understand the cult of Tesla. Tesla trucks are built by people who have never driven trucks and don't want input from people that do. Edison Motors built a truck FOR people who actually use them.

@FutureAZA

8 ай бұрын

I have an interview coming up with Larry from Zero E-Michigan. He's a truck driver, and he doesn't share your conclusion about Tesla's semi. I know him reasonably well, and have confidence in his experience, so I value his perspective on the subject. I'm not sure who you're referring to with the "cult of Tesla" comment. The Tesla fan regulars I've seen in these comments seem to appreciate this for exactly what it is. Some people are giving me a hard time for not calling it a hybrid, but since it's optional, and not connected to the drive train, I stand by the assertion that it's a BEV. We all want the same thing here. Tesla semi wouldn't be well suited to this application, and Edison wouldn't be well suited to container hauling. While you could use either one for the other application, it wouldn't make as much sense. They're completely different in the functions for which they're optimized.

@Neojhun

7 ай бұрын

Sorry no Cult here, lots of Tesla people Love Eddison Motors and Topsy. These are very different trucks for different purpose is a very small supply availability market. "Cult of Tesla" needs to do more work to help promote Edison Motors.

its not electric, its hybrid...

@vince18392

8 ай бұрын

Does a tesla become a hybrid when you charge it at night? The only difference is the generator for the tesla is hundreds of miles away, where this one it sits on the truck, and can be used at any time.

@Symbolizer21

8 ай бұрын

The diesel engine is not connected to the drivetrain. It's driven forward purely by electric motors

@rokadamlje5365

8 ай бұрын

as in diesel electric train. Or any of the "self-charging" hybrids@@Symbolizer21

@rokadamlje5365

8 ай бұрын

99% of the energy will come from diesel. @@Symbolizer21

@Symbolizer21

8 ай бұрын

@@rokadamlje5365 not in all applications, the generator is completely optional. It isn't optional on a diesel electric train (except where powered by 3rd rail or overhead but those id say are different from diesel electric trains) they've said they could just place a block of batteries in place of the Gen if that better suits the application and the only change in the truck is the removal of the Gen controls.

Range extender? Why not have the range extender (deiseal generator and tank) brought to site or where the truck will be sitting instead of carrying it up and down hills? Not efficient use to have range extender on truck ALL the time because weight lowers the range of the batteries. Better yet have 1 Swappable battery to extend range when needed. Extra battery can be swapped as needed and charged via deiseal or solar canopy or grid while truck is working.

@FutureAZA

9 ай бұрын

Range extender is cheap, portable, and compact compared to managing a temporary stationary version. Time and simplicity are critical in these operations.

@riznliz

9 ай бұрын

Moxion Power to replace diesel generators at events and work sites and will produce 7GW of new battery generators per year once fully operational: @@FutureAZA

@daniellewis1789

8 ай бұрын

The range extender is a couple size categories smaller than the diesel engine from the same class of pure ICE truck, so you do have some weight savings. Second off, it's not a "park and charge" range extender, it can actually charge the batteries while you pull weight down the road. So if you, say, have to make a surprise run 500 miles each way to pick up a lowbed and piece of equipment, you don't have to stop and charge at all on the trip, and you only end up running the genset a little bit running unloaded and maybe half the time coming back with a load, and the genset is always running at it's best RPM, and it's still a smaller more efficient motor than an equal capacity ICE truck.

@riznliz

8 ай бұрын

Swappable battery to help extend truck's main battery sound like a better option to me. That way on short runs no added weights but on longer runs add a swap battery to extend range. Add swap stations or work with rental companies to have swap batteries. @@daniellewis1789

@dirtdevil70

8 ай бұрын

Biggest reason is the trucks aren't going to the same site e every trip...its not like they are going to a warehouse and parking...you'd be temporarily spotting recharge sites all over the place...a logistics nightmare