I own a 2002 F150 and a 2004 Expedition, both have the 4.6 and over 200k all the problems that come with that high of mileage. Thanks to your videos I saved thousands by doing the repairs myself. Great videos man.

@alvarado5213

Жыл бұрын

You said it right my friend

A spectacular example of tensioner failure! Nice catch Brian and thanks so much for taking the time to video and share this. A sight the average person rarely gets to see. Thanks!

@xtune5731

5 жыл бұрын

Nice catch? I think the sound made it very obvious.

This is PURE GOLD knowledge. Thanks for making these Vids. It always make me feel a little more entitled and armed to tackle these little demons.

Buy OHC they said. It will be fun they said.

@BC08

8 ай бұрын

It is

Hey man Say man this was the best video I've seen VERY HELPFUL! I'm going through this right now with mine!

Great video! I had to do the same on my 02 f-150. It was almost just as bad. I purchased it with that noise already. I thought I was looking at an engine replacement. But after tearing into it I found this same situation. But the rest of the engine looked to be in good shape. No sludge, cam lobes in great shape. So I decided to install a new timing set. So far after about 7k miles on it after it's still running strong.

@johnecker4217

6 жыл бұрын

James Peters I just bought a 2002 f-150 a couple of weeks ago with the tapping noises on the passenger side also (4x4 xlt 130,000 red & silver BEAUTY for $2,200) The dealer said he'd go half fees on a reconditioned motor 1,200 if anything happened to this one and he knew nobody else would buy it unless he fix it. His mechanic said it would take 20hrs in labor and cost $1,500!. My chain kit came yesterday getting fixed tomorrow have a hole in the motor where the chain is slapping 😲still runs strong 👍🏃‍♀️lol!

@plumkey197

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnecker4217 If these systems are so prone to failure at low mileage, Ford should have designed them with a rubber belt instead. My 4.6L lasted until exactly 200K before the rattling sound, but it seems I was one of the lucky ones. I did use synthetic it's entire life, so may have delayed the inevitable.

Love to watch these videos. Wondering whether ford updated the tensioners in later models or do we all face this as a possibility for 03 and up modular engines.

I know someone who has that exact symptom with one of those right now. He showed it to me a month ago. I intuitively told him to stop driving it and get it towed to the shop when he does get it fixed. Good call it would seem. Hope it's not destroyed.

Great job in saving that motor! Love the time-laps footage.

Great Video !! Thanks for showing us. I can't even imagine how the owners home (inside and out) looks like. Bet they either don't have a garage or it's a minefield to walk through.

WOW. I hope my 2000 Grand Marquis 4.6L V8 engine doesn't look like this. My engine just started having a very similar sound. At first, I was thinking a rod was making the tapping sound. Today, I started thinking, maybe, my timing chain may be off somehow, as something not right somewhere. Your video has been very illuminating. Thanks for this.

had a similar noise in 4.6 2v, same exact failure. I replaced heads for new style (PI), replaced timing set and added performance cans. runs great today @ about 180k miles

Great video. Thanks for taking the time to film it and show us.

I love my old 4.6 in my 05 crown vic and my 03 expedition xlt. This video is helpful. I have been driving an impound expedition that is a grandma and grandpa dream. Lots of miles but lovingly cared for, except for this noise. I came to own it legally and inexpensively and I know it inside and out so I feel confident to make any repairs. I just wasn’t sure which way to focus my attention. Now I know what to do, thanks…

Brian you are the best mechanic ive seen very meticulous and attention to detail wish i had you here in Toledo Ohio Ive seen all your vids

Wow, that's crazy worn down. Well made video man, filmed and put together really well.

Cudos to the genius Ford engineers for design here. Just bravo for the all the smart intelligent and design flaws fixing you guys have done over years of Ford's existence.

@JimBronson

3 жыл бұрын

Other makes and models with timing chain driven OHC are not substantially different. My dad had his whole timing set done on his 2010 Honda Accord because it was doing the same, for example. 190K miles. Much as the OEM's like to advertise timing chains as a lifetime item, they really aren't with the kinds of mileage people are getting today on their engines.

Wow! Working on my 5.4 right now and the passenger side upper guide was shattered. I think I caught it fairly early. So, If I can get it back together, I should be in good shape!

Sad to see that left for so long, but also really neat to see the motor just keep on working through it all. Hopefully nothing else got worn down from all that metal in the oil.

Helped a friend last year replace his timing set on one of these as it had the chain slap. It wasn't to bad to do as I had him buy the special tools to hold the cams in place. Love your videos by the way Brian!

@Randemoller

4 жыл бұрын

Mind me asking how long did it take you? I’m not a mechanic but I’ve done a decent amount of work on motors and small motors and am wondering if I could do it. 🤔

@stephenholloway4166

4 жыл бұрын

Randubles P I talked with a guy yesterday that did the job... he said he saved a lot of money by doing it himself... but it was a nightmare job. I’m guessing it is dependent on the tools you have available ... workspace.. and experience.. there is a great 4 part video series that is quite informative... good luck

Wow it looks like they never changed oil very much, great video!

Wow! This is insane. I sure wish you could go through my 05 Mustang this way! I’m curious of the wear & tear. It has over 300,000 miles on it...(only having 1 tune up). And it’s still running, but no telling what you would find... I’d love to restore it.

One of the best videos and explanations I've seen!!!

I just subbed because of how detailed this video is compared to other KZread channels

Wow that tensioner... Great work as always!

That is the same issue my 2005 Aviator had when I bought it used. The guides were in the oil pan. Pulled the engine for a complete internal inspection. Thankfully there was absolutely no bearing or journal damage. I did have to replace the cams, roller followers and complete timing set with guides. Found a good set of stock pull-out cams from a 2001 Cobra for $400. Previous owner did not change the oil often enough. I had to vapor blast the heads and block to clean up the heavy varnish deposits.

Very professional, i share this channel content to my friends, cause he even thinks about the camera angles so we can get the most of what he is saying. Thanks to that i go under the hood with the feeling like i already did it once xD

Awesome video! Great info and show and tell. Couldn't get any better! Thanks.

12:12 wow! even the engine's razor blade broke free!!!

I have a 05 aviator with the 4.6 v8 that sounds exactly like this. U do good work and know ur stuff. Thanks for the video

@valleytractorservices9310

4 жыл бұрын

Me too, how bad was the repair

@elvisalmazanlabastida8871

4 жыл бұрын

Same have a aviator that is starting to have chain slack on cold start up every so often.

I have a 05' GT Mustang 3v engine and it rattles and makes a clugging noise at warm idle.. i think this is exactly the reason..the diagnostic computer doesnt pick up anything wrong in the engine. Definitely going to check this because the issue is becoming worse and more frequent. Thank you!

That is crazy, thank you showing us!

I just did a full timing chain/guide/sprockets/tensioner job on my '10 Crown Vic with the 4.6 2V motor. One of the plastic tensioners was blown out, causing some chain rattle. Thank god the new Ford Racing kit came with iron tensioners.

Brand new 😊. The sounds you record are priceless totally priceless

I really enjoy these vids. Super detailed. Do you know of the 2valve 6.8 v10 having this problem or any timing issues? It is a 2000 Ford excursion.

after that repair i would run it a couple of miles till hot,drain it , repeat, just to"wash" the crud out,man I'm surprised with the loss of and blocked oil flow it was repairable

How much would a repair like this cost? Thanks for the video. Love all of them.

Oh my gosh!! I am surprised that the engine ran, or didn't self destruct earlier.

Great video brian! What is the mileage (Miles/Kilometers) an oil pump be replaced at on a 5.4 3V?

Great video and a hell of a repair

At 8:18 you mentioned the engine condition in a negative manner but did do the repair and at the very end of the video "the engine could be saved". Best guess on potential future mileage/life left on this engine? What is amazing is everything performed like it should. I know that sounds stupid but at the end of the day whether you were doing normal maintenence at 150,000 (timing chain replacement) the cost is basically the same and you have the engine back and running either way. You have incurred the same labor costs. The bad part is we as the consumer want the engine to run without a major repair to 250,000+. Awesome video!!!! Thank!!!

@ReclusiveMountainMan

7 жыл бұрын

We're suppose to change out our timing chains at 150K?

@dcgo44r

7 жыл бұрын

Eric Downer indeed!

I am not that mechanical so it is nice to learn from you and scotty kilmer

ich glaube das ist der einzige Mechaniker der es richtig macht und gut erklären kann !!!!!!

Thank you very much for the video its awesome. I have a couple of questions about the cams........... can you exchange them? meaning, can you install the driver side one in the passenger side? what's the cam love lift for a 2007 f-150 4.6 2v ? Is it the same lift for intake/exhaust? the book says 0.256 however, mine is around 0.290 in........... Thank you very much and keep posting these amazing videos, they're a big big help for us.

Did my timing chain and tensioners with new guides running 5w20 flushed everything out with gas into the oil plug removed,now a week later and I'm getting chain noise again this time it happens when the engine is at operating temperature please advise,I have 03 explorer limited 4.6 ,o by the way I used the metal tensioners with the metal gasket .your my ford man go to guy on these new design explorer,im a case iron small 5.0 Ford guy like I have in my 99 explorer limited, thank you your truly Grant Baker

that top-down timelapse of you tearing down the motor is perfect. If only they had that for every repair on every car.

Great idea... quick question... is there a similar port for the rear tensioner as well? Thanks for anyone’s response....

I had the same issue on my 2002 GT. The timing chains had made a Hole on both sides of the Timing chain cover..new cover put in valves adjusted all in for 1,600.

About a year ago elbows deep into the front end of my '01 f150 4.6L really looked familiar places there. Same issue, cheap a$$ tensioner guides. The lesson that I learned was don't go cheap on OIL FILTER (orange can), make sure that you have anti-drain back valve. IS there any preventive maintenance for this, as this is not a place I want to re-visit . Great vid, still doesnt explain why I want to owns fords........

This has been a great help thank you very much 👏🏾

Hello. I have an 03 Expedition. 5.4 2v. Whenever the engine is cold it will rattle for 1-2 secs at startup. I have a Motorcraft filter with the anti drain back valve. Is there a way to inspect the timing chain and tensioners without removing the front cover? I'm assuming the sound is timing chain rattle from the tensioners draining down. When the truck is hot it won't rattle at start. Thanks!

Would have been interesting to cut open the oil filter to see what is in there as well.

Hi if the guide has some kind of problem, will it make this sound all the time? Because my car makes a similar noise only when the car is moving and around 1500 rpm. if the car stopped then there will be no sound. any ideas? I'm really confused

Do you have a step by step guide for the timing chain replacement on the dohc 4.6 i want to tackle mine in my 2003 mach 1

Is there a way to tell with a scope before diving into it to confirm that is what it is. I have a 2011 crown Victoria police p71 wondering if I have to do. 125k thanks for any help.

Thanks for the video. I changed both tensioners on my 2002 ford 4.0 explorer with oem parts, but, sometimes I hear a rattle coming from the passager side of the engine. It goes away when I ease off the gas when excelarating. Do the tensioner ports get clogged and don't provide enough pressure on the tensioner or could it be a guide? i have 214,000 on the engine and am about to change the valve cover gaskets because they are leaking. could I be walking into a big problem?

I've seen this happen to a 2002 mustang gt except a guide broke off and jammed between the chain and crank gear locking the engine up

Thank you for a good video from Russia!

Should you use factory replacement parts or is their a better version of this timing kit?

I have a similar noise on my '03 4.6l Explorer 2 valve. Not nearly as bad but there is a 'tick' you can hear when the engine is cold. It goes away after a little while. I don't get metal sludge in the oil at change but, it definitely looks like I am going to have to pull the front off and do the timing components.

@wayneschnaak762

7 жыл бұрын

Flying__Finn that is most likely exhaust manifold leak and as the metal heats up it expands closing the gap .

hope you get one of these for a 4.0 soon. does amazon have a timing chain kit for a 4.0

Good afternoon. Anything coming up on Edge, Explorer water pumps? Do u drop engine as trans as a unit, or do u do in chassis?

How many hours did you have on this? How do you clean out the pickup screen?

So it's a good idea to change the chain to along with the giudes?

Hi thanks for sharing your awsome knowledge of ford vehicles i never miss an episode. I had a question , on a 2005 f150 with a 4.6 sohc engine what is the interval for timing chain replacement? I have 157600 miles on it

@erict1144

2 жыл бұрын

Now

I have an 02 ford explorer it has a knocking that gets louder as the RPM's increase. It also shows low oil pressure and has no power going up hills. Any advice is appreciated.

So, if the new style tensioners are the problem, will the old style with the locks on them, and the new HV3 oil pump cure these problems?

Should you have phasers, guides, and hydraulic adjusters changed at a certain number of miles, even if it's not a loud, clicking mess? If so, do all this at 100k miles?

Awesome video keep them coming

Hey! I have a 02 GT Mustang with the 4.6 2V and it has 244k on it. It’s always ran great and I take care of it. Well I just started hearing a noise like this but it’s very faint and it’s only at idle. It gets quieter after running a couple minutes and goes away completely at idle after a few minutes. if I bump the throttle up just above idle it smooths right out and no noise. Could this be the guide going/gone bad or would I have noise the entire time and off idle?

Wow that's one sparkly oil pan. Amazing how much punishment some engines can take. I had a Ford 4.0 SOHC that sat with the ENTIRE crankcase up to the intake manifold full of rainwater for years. Water ran out of the spark plug holes and oil drain plug for about 5 minutes. Shot some rust penetrant in each plug hole. And it fired on first try no problem. Still driving years later.

@ljgarrison6910

6 жыл бұрын

Chad Bob This is refreshing to hear since I have just bought a 4.0 SOHC with the infamous "RATTLE"

@mike856ms

5 жыл бұрын

@@ljgarrison6910 did you replace the tensioners? I have the same engine

I'm a GM fan but stopped to take a look at Ford's version of the timing chain problem. The GM 3.6L eventually suffers from timing chain elongation from wear (many incorrectly call it stretch) and trips the engine light. They also develop a characteristic rattle along with it. Manufacturer recommendations are not always the best and often times are a happy medium to help accomplish EPA requirements. I believe very strongly that the trend towards lower viscosity engine oils for a little bump in fuel economy is at the expense of longevity. Higher viscosity does more than just help keep oil pressure up, it also offers more protection against impact wear. Not unlike the difference running in church shoes on a hard surface vs. running shoes makes on your feet. This is why gear oils are usually very high viscosity. I moved from 5w30 Mobil 1 to 10W40 after my timing chain change in the 3.6L for more moving part cushioning at startup and operating temps and if the variable valve timing will permit it I might run as high as a 50 wt.

Me thinks the oil filter may have blocked and gone on bypass with all that lovely metal circulating. Would like see the filter sectioned just for the hell of it. Nice video Brian.

@FordTechMakuloco

7 жыл бұрын

+tecnaman I kept it so I just might do that

@mademuscle1217

7 жыл бұрын

FordTechMakuloco .question Mr MAKULOCO ON A 98FORD RANGER 5 SPEED STANDARD ,HOW CAN YOU TELL IF ITS THE CLUTCH CABLE OR THE CLUTCH PUMP

@mademuscle1217

7 жыл бұрын

FordTechMakuloco is there a way to tell without taking out the transmission .

Should we be cleaning out the vct solenoid housing when this happens?

Hi. I have a 2002 Ford explorer xlt. After I took it fir a oil change it's start a noise in the engine. I took it every mechanic to fine a the problem but no luck. Can you help me?

Hoping you can help. I have a 99 lariat with the 2V 4.6.. I installed new guides, new tensioners, and new chains. But every time i put the balancer on front it will hang the engine up. I took back apart and installed everything again except for the cover to see what was happening. The chains are hitting each other at the bottom where they pass along the crankshaft gear. What is causing this. I have checked over and over and the crankshaft timing gear is a double and they are on right. When I took them off I tied them together and put a white mark on the front side so I would know how they went back on. What is causing this? Thank you for any answer yo may could give.

please help,i replaced tps,iac and fuel pressure regulator cuz it was leaking , but truck 93 ford F-150 ghost as a really high idle with back fire

wow great video what a great video! shame problem with all these engines.

I have a 2008 ford fusion 2.3 100k miles never opened the engine except valve cover gasket replacement. I don't hear any noises but how can I determine if I have any wear or guide/tensioner broken ? I worry that sooner or later I may have to change it but would like to be very aware of its condition

Great job, and I know aluminum isn't as bad in bearing surfaces but that thing is living on borrowed time.

@chevybelair9230

6 жыл бұрын

Rod bearings come coated with aluminum when new. Most of them are trimetal alloy. aluminum copper steel. The bigger problem would be the cam journals in the heads. They have no bearings just an aluminum bore.

hello what is the value for a 2003 mercury marauder change the time chain i have a knocking noise

So my car when I start it either cold start or after about 20 min when it starts something rattles then stops when I rev it up it rattles at 2.5k rpms after that it doesn’t as bad can someone lead me to the right direction I had my head gasket done prior to this maybe tensioner is loose or broken want to know before I dive into it

Brian are the lash adjusters and roller follow ers the same for the 4.6 and 5.4 3valves?

Hay man I have a question for you I have a 2002crown Vic lx sport I have a issue with the transmission it go with all first and sacend and third and when it com on forth it doesn't engage it's like in nutrel I chick that floud it's OK and I try to scan the codes it doesn't show any can you help me with that thanks again

That was a bad Rattle ouch! That was some cool editing.

+fordtechmakuloco, Brian not sure if this subject has been covered, but for those of us out there have have like 5.4 2v in f150's and expeditions, either low or high miles, would you recommend using Ford's semi synthetic or a full synthetic to aid in this issue not happening at all

Do you change secondary cam chains and sprockets or can you leave them alone if they look ok? Apparently you need a cam lockdown tool to change those. Hear it's an expensive tool. My Lincoln navigator is a 2000 with 185000 on it just starting to hear a little clatter.

My kids Ford explorer sport tracks making the same noise and has a misfire code do you think the valves have been damaged?

Nice!! I get Coustomers that drive it down till it’s totally not worth repairing then many will says it’s a good car and always want me to do magic for free

I have a 03 Eddie bower .. when I cut my car off the radio stays on and the door panel lights. The windows go down radio stays on without the car running... It drains my battery...can you help ?? I could really use some answers.

I know this is old, but seeing this with my daughters car right now. I think. If the noise just started, would it be safe enough to drive in for repair, or should it be towed? Any thoughts appreciated.

2002 ford f150 4.6 my truck needs timing chains what should I do who should I get to fix this and how much is a general cost

My 4.6 98 Ford 150 rattles when cold for about a minute or 2, then throughout the day it doesn’t make that noise when driving around town, jus makes it in cold start, whenever I drive fast and rev it up to 3-4 rpms and come to a stop it will shake a bit, could it be this as well ?

My 2006 mustang gt's bank 1 chain has little slack getting code p0012 gonna replace the R tensioner????

WOW!! What a mess. I'll bet all those new parts were expensive, not to mention the labor. Thanks Brian

Have a big issue with my 2011 F150 eco-boost. Had a shop installer total rebuilt motor cranks over but won’t start shows up a wrench on the dashboard but won’t start. He seem really great with fours anyway we could chat possibly help me out in someway

Muy buen trabajo gracias x compartir

Have the tensioners been updated? Are they still plastic?

Fantastic repair

Another example of vehicle negligence? Thanks for the detailed video on causes of not fixing issues at the start. Great vid

@edwardmartinez199

5 жыл бұрын

No not that it normal for it to go you just replace them.