I'd just like to add, for all MTG folks who might be interested, The Horus Heresy book series is an excellent story arc and a great place to start reading up on 40k lore

@JordanPridgen

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! The first three books are riveting. I also like to recommend the Eisenhorn series

@DrakeF.

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, was asking myself. Maybe something for x-mas holidays to read.

@ryanc9754

Жыл бұрын

@@JordanPridgen or the gaunts ghosts novels, those are also amazing

@JordanPridgen

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanc9754 I haven't read those yet but they are on my list!

@Unrealbr

Жыл бұрын

@@JordanPridgen Eisenhorn, Ravenor, Becquin trilogy of trilogies are awesome.

A note with Nadir Kraken, Ashnod’s altar lets you draw your entire deck.

@rhysofsneezingdragon1758

Жыл бұрын

Ashnod's altar is perfectly balanced

From playing with the deck I can say thunder hawk gunship is one of the best cards in the deck

@thetrueroman

Жыл бұрын

Same for me, the card is an all star!

@slumdutchmillionare

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. You can crew it when cast and do some serious damage.

@EliyaSelhub

Жыл бұрын

a colorless grave titan that gives all your creatures evasion, what's not to like?

@RequiesAeternaGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@slumdutchmillionare But it doesn't have haste?

@slumdutchmillionare

Жыл бұрын

@@RequiesAeternaGaming You can crew with summoning sickness.

A cheap card I really like for Marneus Calgar is "Hard Evidence". It's a spell with two separate instances of Token Creation for a single blue mana (make a 0/3 crab and investigate). With Marneus out, this will draw you 2 cards, leave you a blocker and a clue to crack for a 3rd card.

@BushBumperBaker

Жыл бұрын

I mean, sure, but it's a sorcery that only happens once, then you have no spell recursion. Just seems like a wasted space imo.

@Umagaar

Жыл бұрын

@@BushBumperBaker that’s a strange way to evaluate a card. It is draw 2 cards for 1 U with a body and for 2 more for a third card. Additionally, it works great with anointed possession, which is a card that you would probably find In a lot of lists, though it doesn’t give you more cards (if you don’t count the extra clue). The only better rate is ancestral recall and that’s banned. You always need some card draw in your deck you don’t need to recur them. With that logic I assume you think preordain and ponder are bad cards too if you can’t recur them. But luckily you decide what cards you put in your deck not me or anyone else, that’s the beauty of this game. So all in all this is just a suggestion of a card some might have missed

@apachee7511

Жыл бұрын

Does it count as two separate token creations ? Or are the two tokens created at the same time as the spell resolves ? Hence it will be only drawing one card. I just bought the deck and was thinking about this card.

@Umagaar

Жыл бұрын

@@apachee7511 Yes it counts as two different token creations. This is because Create a 0/3 crab token and Investigate is identified as two separate action verbs, and as per the comprehensive rules (608.2c) they happen sequentially and not simultaneously. Another cool example of this ruling is also with one of the 40K commanders namely Imotekh the Stormlord and Wretched Confluence. On Wretched Confluence you can chose the same mode multiple times, so if you pick "Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand" 3 times and pick 3 different artifact creatures in your graveyard. Each artifact creature will leave your graveyard sequentially and not simultaneously, meaning you will make 2 Necron Warriors for each creature netting you a total of 3 creatures in hand and 6 2/2 Necrons on the board.

@apachee7511

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the clear explaination !

Thorough Investigation's dungeon is clearly the Blackstone Fortress.

I think councel of the four is a good include of this deck. If you cast two spells on your turn, draw 2 cards. If your opponent drew 2 cards, draw a card. If your opponent cast 2 spells draw a card. If your opponent did both, draw 3 cards.

@johntolentino8827

Жыл бұрын

I think you get a 2/2 when they cast twice

Came here from Warhammer! I’m mostly a painter and big fan of Squidmar as well, Miniwargamining is a great channel to check out to see how the miniatures game is played!

Odric, Lunarch Marshall wouldn't be a bad include either since Marneus has Double Strike. Giving double strike to all your creatures seems pretty good to me!

@blxckmxge5055

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like a really fun way to swing out I'm gonna try this out!

Squidmar is definitely one of my favorite mini painting content creators! Great to see the shout out

Irenicus's Vile Duplication is also really great here. You copy your commander to draw 2 then double all token draws

A card that I use in my Isshin deck to grant vigilance to all of my creatures is Concerted Effort. It also shares protection, meaning that with vexilus praetor, you can give all of your creatures pro-everything as long as your commander is out when concerted effort checks for keywords

"Slaughter the Strong" could be another decent removal spell for the deck. You don't even have to worry about sacrificing either of your commanders since their power is four or less.

I’ve been liking the deck straight out of the box! I feel like the first cut for me is The Flesh is Weak, since it’s a bit of a nonbo with all the 1/1s we want to make. It’s nice when I play it, but then I draw into all my token creators and they basically become dead cards because The Flesh is Weak is out :/

Awesome videosn as usual. The vehicles are going to be so good in Greasefang ! The little rat pilot got such a huge boost from 40K decks ! If I may add a little comment : I always feel that your upgrade guides lack a little of "How the deck wins" section after the "How does it plays" one. It would be nice to list shortly what the wincons are (by naming the cards or explaining the scenarii, maybe) It also puts a focus on the most important point of deckbuilding for newbies. Just my 2 cents. Love your channel.

Cards to add: Legion loyalty Blade of selves Felidar retreat Jadar, Ghoulcaller of Nephalia Oketra's Monument Nadir kraken Grim hireling Thorough Investigation Court of grace Legion's landing Honorable mentions: Adeline, Resplendent Cathar Battle angels of Tyr Cards to take out: Neyam Shai Murad Exterminatus Grey knight paragon Redemptor Dreadnought Reaver titan Sister Hospitaller Deploy to the front Triumph of Saint Katherine For the Emperor! Knight Paladin

In my opinion the Council of Four is a solid Token-Generator that fits flavorful into the Deck without disturbing the Warhammer-Style and go more into the go wide strategy :-)

I'd say add in shorikai. Even though Marneus Calgar draw is strong, shorikai can even bring it further. Draw 2 discard 1 and make a token which trigger Calgar meaning you drawing 3 and discard 1, making a token with all just 1 mana is damn good. Second card is Inspiring Leader. It give your commander the effect "creature tokens you control get +2/+2", which make your 2/2 vigilance into a 4/4. And that is a threat on it's own on a creature. Next one is Jon Irenicus, Shattered One. His effect is beginning of your end step, you give your opponent a creature you control and that creature is goaded for the rest of the game, and it can't be sacrificed. Whenever a creature you don't control but own, you draw a card. Since you created those tokens through your own effects, they count as a creature you own, so you getting more card draws from your creatures attacking which is stupidly funny to me.

Let’s Go! I love these and they become a great part of my day. Tyranids next pls!

About the reaver titan, what if you support it with the commander from neon dynasty that also generates pilot creature tokens that are 1/1s but can crew for 2 and the com' itself is basically a crysis/titan battlesuit so it's pretty fitting

See i stuck with inquisitor and i did the JLK classic and made it a tap/untap deck. Works wonderfully!

@JordanPridgen

Жыл бұрын

Definitely an option! Everything having +1 power and vigilance is a powerful effect

@SporeTres

Жыл бұрын

Also in a vacuum, Marneus might be better, but very often you cripple an enemy by tapping their KEY creature helping you to gain alliances. :P

@slumdutchmillionare

Жыл бұрын

I agree! I’m in the minority here, but I find that vigilance, +1 attack and clue tokens to be more powerful. Vigilance is crucial with the vehicle crewing and blocking

@slumdutchmillionare

Жыл бұрын

@@FlawlessP401 That’s pretty impressive with a precon. I don’t really plan on changing mine up, it almost feels like a crime to do so.

@mjminino

2 ай бұрын

Have a decklist my friend?

I actually really like Greyfax. Been wanting to make a clues/investigate deck. Going to go with the same cuts suggested here but instead add in cards like "Rise and Shine", "Cyberdrive Awakener", "Cranial Plating", and "Tezzeret, Betrayer of Flesh". A fun go wide strategy and turning my clues into win cons and fighting alongside the Astartes seems very fun

@whitestuffgbh

Жыл бұрын

Definitely need to add Tivit, seller of secrets. He makes so many clues…

@dorsalfin22

Жыл бұрын

@@whitestuffgbh absolutely!

@NappTimee

Жыл бұрын

Do you happen to have a decklist of what you're trying to make. Would love to replicate it.

@NellShamrell

4 ай бұрын

Glad to know I'm not the only one who really likes Greyfax as a commander!

the precon seems much stronger vs the others as inquisitor, as vigilance is very powerful in a more combat heavy format, which the precon decks all are. as soon as you change it or play with non-40k decks, that value drops off because deck styles change quite a bit

Maybe I missed them saying something about it but a fairly budget inclusion to the deck especially for Marneus Calgar as the commander is Cathars' Crusade for 3WW enchantment that anytime a creature enters your battlefield under your control put a +1/+1 counter on every creature you control. So in a go wide token strategy in white your board of 1/1s and 2/2 tokens become giant 5/5s and 6/6s and only continue to grow. Sitting around 6-7 dollars for every one of the 5 different printings of the card it is a definite must include in this or any white token deck.

@JordanPridgen

Жыл бұрын

If I could have had one more honorable mention cathar's crusade would have been it

@madhatten00

Жыл бұрын

The most budget inclusion is basalt monolith and rings of brighthearth for infinite mana/astartes for less than 7 dollars.

Soooo hyped to get these decks at some point. I just scooped up the foil versions of the emperium vehicles for a mono blue JaceShipsToPhyrexia super friend/vehicle deck. My mono blue deck is finally down to only needing in foil full art Phyrexian or infinity islands and FoN for complete foiling. Let's goooooo

32:18 does that mean that when all creatures have myriad, and you also attack with Marneus, you're going to draw cards equal to three times the amount of creatures you have attacking? Or how does that work with the stack?

After several plays of this deck, I've won twice with "For the emperor" with both adept astartes and soldier tokens.

Removing Exterminatus?! Heresy! The Inquisitor has been informed. Exterminatus extremis is authorized on your plane. May the emperor have mercy on your souls. The emperor protects!

@madhatten00

Жыл бұрын

Remove it for cyclonic rift

its funny how two cards they removed literally won the game for the imperium player on their games knight episode.

@isaacvalenzuela588

Жыл бұрын

Which ones

@21Kikoshi

Жыл бұрын

@@isaacvalenzuela588 the remove Indestructible board wipe and token maker for each creature on the battlefield

@Saccdaddy

Жыл бұрын

I agree with removing Exterminatus, I'm going to use Farewell instead as it's a much better board wipe.

Can probably be fairly combotastic with Mr. Tokens. Mostly Ashnod's altar with either annointed procession, illusionist bracers, training grounds. Basically either making the 6 mana token generating ability cheaper or make it produce more dudes, then turn all those dudes into mana to activate the ability again. Neat commander.

@frogdude142

Жыл бұрын

can draw your whole deck out in one turn and win too with ashnods altar and nadir with your commander out

That space marine devastator is so sick. I can't describe how pumped I am for these decks to come out. I played 40k forever, have a devastator squad in my army. So pumped

Once all the budget upgrades are done, play them against each other again? It would be great?

Cunning Evasion its just great in this deck specially with the Squad creatures, you attack with all of them, if the opponent blocks the original one you bounce to your hand and cast it again. Not to mention the other ETB creatures in the deck.

you want to lower that activated ability. 6 mana is a ton to pay, so heartstone is pretty good and so is training grounds. if you have both out, it only costs 3 to activate his ability. heartstone is dirt cheap under 1 € here in Europe for the retro brown version and 2.5 € for the foil silver version. training grounds on the other hand is a very expensive card, 20 or so € :)

@madhatten00

Жыл бұрын

Why lower it when 6 is fine since you can easily infinite mana anyways. If anything just dump in a bunch of infinite mana combos like ashnold altar.

I think Reaven Titan is super FUN card to play... sure its not GREAT , but its not that bad - and even if You once active yours Commnader ability, you have tokens to Crew It !!!:) I would not swap it out - its like ICON of POWER for the 40K :D

@athleteboy27

Жыл бұрын

Am I right in thinking this card equipped with blade of selves is huge damage? When it’s crewed of course

Did not mention Reliquary Tower or Thought vessel? I feel like those would have to be auto-includes on this deck.

I've honestly found Inquisitor Greyfax to be rather powerful as the lead. My playgroup tends to pay less attention to it by comparison to Marneus, as the direct card draw he provides draws out removal like he's holding two lightning rods. Greyfax dives under the radar a lot more, and I find most people forget she is pumping your board until they make a bad attack or you kill them. Plus I find Greyfax lets me play a lot more aggressively, as blockers that might slow me down otherwise aren't an issue.

Darien king of kjeldor looks good for this, yes you take damage but you create soldier tokens for each you took and with Calgar on the field you draw for each

One thing I've been wondering, which I have not seen the crew mention: why use interpolated value rather than average (per-card) value? Because the interpolation, at least given how it's explained, will be significantly impacted by how pushed a given deck's new card(s) would be, or how staple-ey it becomes in the future, or whether it becomes a regular reprint. Is it because you think these decks owing to their smaller reprint pool have a much higher density of valuable reprints compared to normal decks? (aka WotC didn't feel like they could put too much chaff when they have 1/3rd or 1/4th the number of reprints of usual precons)

Yaa!!! ben waiting for this one.

That titan is definitely going in my shorikai deck

@HEYabbot

Жыл бұрын

I am planning on pulling the vehicles out of all 4 decks and doing a mashup with Kamigawa Neon Dynasty.

How was ultramarines honor guardnot mentioned as a most powerful card? I've won so many games with it already

One from the Brother's War that will be interesting is Soundwave. Gets a creature token and gets value when your tokens do damage.

I'd like to add Shorikai too. Tokens and card draw and can be a big body if needed too

Good job with the 40k lore, can be really hard to abbreviate it like that.

The squad effect , is that ONLY for when you’re summoning it ? Or can you cast squad whenever the card is in play?

The corpse god. Fun fact they feed him 1000 psychic souls a day to keep him alive

On thought for the deck interpolation method Truc uses; wouldn't it be a good idea to also include the type and median of reprint values for each year or set and not just the mean (what many people refer to as average)? As many have pointed out in the past, in many different matters; the mean is affected by outliers. When talking about, say, people's salaries in a country, wouldn't using the type be a lot more, y'know, representative? And for the absolute middle, median is, by definition, the way to go. Another factor, which has also been pointed out before, probably also by the Command Zone folks, is that the total reprint value being low for the 40k decks is to be expected; there are fewer reprinted cards. Always appreciate the insight! Just figured I'd share a few thoughts of my own :) Not that they're particularly original or anything.

Flicker would enable ETB, but not the Squad ability since the card/spell is not being cast, correct?

@stevo8908

Жыл бұрын

Use equalibrium to bounce a squad creature back to your hand

People be sleeping on Inquisitor Greyfax.

I'm surprised bitterblossom wasnt in the honorable mentions. Seems pretty good in this deck

@reddinc.438

Жыл бұрын

If I had to guess, it's because it's not on theme, and it's pretty expensive

@nicka.9057

Жыл бұрын

Very expensive. It also only makes 1 token on your upkeep.

Greyfax or Marneus Calgar in command zone to play with the deck without any changes and why?

@madhatten00

Жыл бұрын

Calgar. More potential especially with tokens. You don't need upgrades and it is still fine. While Greyfax looks good it is better as a card inside your deck than as commander itself. Hunt for heresy can't instantly be used on summon due to tap requirement and summoning sickness and all it does is provide a 1/0 vigilance to all other creatures but you need creatures on the field to even use it.

how is it possible that they do not link a decklist in the description?

@mjminino

2 ай бұрын

Because if they did you'd go straight to the description and wouldn't watch the video which is what makes them money.

FOR THE EMPEROR!

Neyam Shai Murad is from Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress. The only other thing about her that I know is that her right leg is a sword.

I like Greyfax, Marneus is awesome but you got a target on your back before you even begin the game. Sticking to the lore as much as possible I am going with a Soldier tribal theme with a little stax for procrastination/red tape of Imperial bureaucracy LOL, Long live the Imperial Guard! There is so many good soldiers out there to pick from. Greyfax giving my troops vigilance allows the usage of classic silly old soldiers like Catapult master/squad, Crossbow infantry to attack and be ready to ping (perhaps with deathtouch) with their ''Lasguns/cannon'', anthem soldiers, etc... :P

@mjminino

2 ай бұрын

You ever put together a decklist you'd be willing to share?

Would Myrel be a good add for this ?

That upgrade look nice ..... If I can find the preconstruction deck for cheap.........

Sister Hospitaler + Angel if Glory's Rise + sac outlet = infinite health

JIMMY IS BACK

My adds where more about making the marines live up to their reputation like true conviction, battle mastery, sword of vengeance etc

Although I love the work you guys did with this, I don't see much that needs to be improved with this deck

Anointed procession, get it

I'd love to upgrade my 40k Commander deck on a budget but they're sold out everywhere 😢

@joxerxd8417

Жыл бұрын

I got lucky-ish. I was wanting Nercons at first, but was able to pick up Imperium slightly cheaper.

@joxerxd8417

Жыл бұрын

I wish you luck on your search. Maybe the store might restock.

@fdrehug7318

Жыл бұрын

My lgs will ship, they are out of necrons but have like 4 copies of each other one.

@joxerxd8417

Жыл бұрын

@@fdrehug7318same here. They had about 6 Imperium, 4 Tyranids, and 6 Chaos faction, but no Necron.

@fdrehug7318

Жыл бұрын

@@joxerxd8417 yeah, I got lucky and pre-ordered one of each so I ended up with one of each

I would love to upgrade or play with this deck…however everywhere is sold out because they didn’t print enough. I guess wizards doesn’t want my money. :(

One card that could be amazing with this deck would be a token doubler or even a tripler like Ojer taq deepest foundation

Wouldn't adding thought vessel be very good since you will be drawing so many cards

They should have made a Commander called Gunther, the intercontinental champion! For this commander pre con

If anyone wants to read a 1-off novel set in the 40K universe to “dip their toes” I love to recommend “Brothers of the Snake” or “Titanicus”. Both of these are also on Audible 👌 Enjoy!

I want to edit it but i just love the flavor and i dont want to cut warhammer cards T_T

Deploy to the front will be getting moved to my pheldagriff deck

Why does Vexilus Praetor make ecnhantments fall off?

@mjminino

2 ай бұрын

Because the creature now has protection from everything - even your stuff.

On Fenris the space wolves fight kraken so it fits!

@JordanPridgen

Жыл бұрын

Boom thank you!

Silas Renn/Tymna make great commanders for the deck just by putting Greyfax into the deck and swapping out one of your lower quality cards. If you swap out something else for General's Enforcer, you make ALL your legendary humans indestructible AND hate graveyards AND make more Guardsmen!

I got this deck to bolster my Aminatou deck

50:50 tokens go into grave, but THEN they disappear :D

Didn’t everyone scream “Oh no!”when deploy to the front showed up in the 40k episode? Lol

@madhatten00

Жыл бұрын

Literally the best card in the whole deck. Instant win condition there.

You should do the unfinity deck

I know 40K lore is Byzantine to explain, but wow was that a tortured explanation of the Imperium of Mankind.

weird how this deck has card draw but no max hand size cards like ??????

You'll draw 6 with double strike hey?

Bennie Bracks is a good fit in this deck.

I actually don't think that reprint value of $53.66 is all that bad because, from a bang-for-your-buck perspective, the value of reprints alone would be more than, or about the same as, the price of the deck, depending on where you purchase it from. On Amazon and at my local store, that would be ~$55.

Perfect timing just picked this up today!

What dungeon would be the best to run with this deck? I was thinking that the undercity or maybe the dungeon of the mad mage would be viable since those are the ones that create the most tokens.

@nickchaput219

Жыл бұрын

you can run them all and choose what you need on a case by case basis

@nicka.9057

Жыл бұрын

What? You have access to the first 3 when you venture. Undercity if you have initiative

Teach me the way

YES SIRRRRRRR

Wouldn't Marneus + Blade of Selves = draw 6? 3 copies of Marneus would see 2 tokens ETB?

@michaelcarter3127

Жыл бұрын

It says one or more tokens I believe.

@JordanPridgen

Жыл бұрын

Yeah since it's one or more only 3 cards. Would be busted otherwise!

@joeferreti9442

Жыл бұрын

3 copies -> 3 cards

@JediMB

Жыл бұрын

EDIT: Nevermind this comment. I played a 5-player game recently, and apparently it doesn't want to leave my brain. While everyone's correct about the "one or more" clause, aren't you all forgetting about the trigger on the original Marneus? Four instances of Marneus see the tokens entering, so you draw 4?

@JordanPridgen

Жыл бұрын

@@JediMB he sees the 2 tokens which gets one card, then each of those tokens see each other, getting you one each for a total of three!

Surprised Smothering tithe wasn't a honorable mention

@nicka.9057

Жыл бұрын

It's a budget upgrade guide. This card is 23$. It's a ridiculously good staple that you should put in thr deck if you have it, but it's not "budget".

@magellan6439

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I feel like they tried to stick something close to the budget. And nobody needs to be told to run smothering tithe

The only nonheretical answer for your commander is Marneus. Grayfax has no authority over him. He does have authority over her

So many pre-cons, so little time for pre-con upgrades.

Look I'm gonna need someone to make a space marine cat beast token

This deck is not codex compliant. Russ would be proud.

Deploy to the front , go ham with that broken card that makes all your 1/1 tokens 4/4 ( forgot the name )

Cool

36:55 THIS IS HERESI

Wouldn't Marneus + Blade of Selves = draw 4 cards? OG Marneus see 3 tokens for 1 card. 3 token Marneus' see each other for 3 cards.

@JordanPridgen

Жыл бұрын

You only make 2 token marneuses in a 4 player game! It would draw 4 in a 5 player game though

@joeferreti9442

Жыл бұрын

2 tokens, because you can't attack yourself, unless you play with more than 4 players ;)

@tervermer8092

Жыл бұрын

@@JordanPridgen Ahh yep, blinded by my own greed I forgot that the first creature still has to attack lol. Thx!

@nicholasfrancois5706

Жыл бұрын

His trigger is "one or more" so you'll only draw one card because all three copies are made in same instance.

@tervermer8092

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasfrancois5706 Right, 3 Marnues' see tokens enter the battlefield. while each token only triggers once.

CADIA STANDS! FOR THE EMPEROR!

I feel like the interpolated deck prices kinda miss the fact that the unique art and new rare cards are gonna shoot these decks up in price.

@JordanPridgen

Жыл бұрын

We addressed that that's a possibility. We just can't estimate any sort of numbers off of that. Had to work with what we had!

@magellan6439

Жыл бұрын

@@JordanPridgen wonderful budget upgrade my friend love your adds

Why doesn’t anyone build Greyfax. She’s a fun and interesting card. Marneus is a bland card.

@LouisKing995

Жыл бұрын

I think she’s better as the token lord to be honest. Marneus is most powerful as a combo commander which you aren’t going to simply “upgrade” this deck to, that’s a complete redesign. He’s also 5 mana so again, If you are sticking with the go-wide strategy is a little slow as the commander.

@JediMB

Жыл бұрын

I had a great time playing with Greyfax on release day, so while I intend to keep all the WH40k decks intact (making this budget upgrade video solely entertainment for me), I do plan to build something new around her thicc/etched bonus card.

@madhatten00

Жыл бұрын

She's better as a card inside the deck. Grants vigilance and a +1 buff but only after you summon everything. Also she can't tap cause no haste. I think that's the main issue. If she had haste, there's so many combos you could do in 1 turn

@PapaD93

Жыл бұрын

@@madhatten00 well I personally don’t really care about turn 1 combos lol. I don’t care about Cedh

@Lachaud11

Жыл бұрын

@@PapaD93 "Combos in 1 turn" is not "turn 1 combos." He means that Greyfax can die to removal without having a chance to investigate. Why this doesn't apply to Marneus (aside from the fact that he's a goddamn ultramarine) idk. It seems to me 6 mana for token production is a LOT. unless you trainings grounds or something... you'll be using that ability after the board wipes when you have less cards in hand.

No Smothering Tithe ? Or even the combo with Monastery Mentor and Mentor of the Meek ?

@JordanPridgen

Жыл бұрын

Both great but expensive cards!

@joeferreti9442

Жыл бұрын

too expensive and unfun