I love how so many of these are like "This card is unfun. Commander is supposed to be fun. Ban the card. Next slide."

@christiantaylor12

6 ай бұрын

Imo all bans in any game boil down to "it's unfun." Akuma being better than everyone else makes for a meta game where it's all akuma and that's unfun. Flash hulk was fast and consistent so it was overcentralizing so flash was banned. In multiplayer games players are banned for cheating, hacking, etc. because they are making the game unfun for other players.

@katesperinck1401

3 ай бұрын

Which would be valid in other formats too tbh. I really think the big factor that makes edh fun is just because there's actually an effort to limit problematic cards that ruin the experience.

@ian562ADF52E

Ай бұрын

​@christiantaylor12 Idk about video games, I think players are banned because cheating often consists of modifying and reverse engineering code that's licensed IP. Otherwise I agree.

@prn_Melatonin

6 күн бұрын

And thoracle is allowed to exist.

Im glad to know that there's a big enough demand for this, meaning I'm definitely not the only one who this is perfect for

@drain1718

6 ай бұрын

I don’t even play commander but this is the peak

@bradleywelsh7723

6 ай бұрын

Commander after all the way, this is just the best

@Numbabu

5 ай бұрын

@@drain1718I don’t even play MTG anymore but this stuff is neat

Literally fell asleep on the first card. Thank you, liked and subbed. Video saved to sleep playlist.

Iona is banned because they got rid of banned as commander. That is the whole reason. Banned as commander NEEDS to come back because there are cards like Iona and Braids that are actually fine in the 99 but because wizards at the time thought the player base were too stupid to comprehend two ban lists they pressured the rules committee to get rid of it.

@recapdrake

6 ай бұрын

edit because I didn't finish my thought. Iona is legitimately a problem because it's a winter orb in the command zone. But if you simply make it not be in the command zone anymore everything becomes fine

@szymonmika6844

5 ай бұрын

I used to play Iona in my Kaalia. It was strong but never won me a game. Im not a dick tho to block someone out of the game. If somoene played mono color i just didnt say that color unless they were about to win and i wanted game to hold bit longer.

@christophercombs7561

5 ай бұрын

​@szymonmika6844 i have it in my kaalia deck and it has 100% won me a game along side avacyn and sephara tue skys blade lol

@recapdrake

5 ай бұрын

@@christophercombs7561 yeah but that’s Kaalia. Shocker of all shockers that one of the most powerful commanders ever made kinda does that lol. But would you say that even in your kaalia deck Iona is anywhere near deserving of the ban it has compared to others on the list?

@christophercombs7561

5 ай бұрын

@@recapdrake a ban no but i have always been opposed to baned lists there are too many cards in magic theres always an unexpected answer to everything

I hate the copium the banning committee has against some of these cards. But thorcle combo is fine because "it's not seen at a casual level"

The one issue I take with the video is that griselbrand and yawgmoth's bargain are being misrepresented against necro. Theres a few very key difference between the effects that matter a lot, notably the timing of when you get the cards and the fact that necro doesnt draw. The timing for griselbrand and yawgmoth's will is instant speed, you dont have to wait for the cards but instead you can draw in response to removal as opposed to necro where you can "draw" but wont get the cards until your next end step. Why is that so important of a difference? Because of the ability to dig on others turns, you can draw a bunch just before your turn with the two banned cards and have access to all of it as opposed to necro which you have to premptively "draw" to use next turn, likely discarding to hand size. This difference is a major reason why the effects arent equitable, sure they both let you dig through your deck but necro does it much worse which brings me to the second factor; Black has a lot of synergy for particularly drawing cards, namely with sheoldred, if you have sheoldred out then griselbrand and yawgmoth's bargain are free. This may seem like a minor thing but K'rrik storm decks in cEDH use a 4 card combo to achieve the same effect as a 2 card combo because they want cards the turn they're storming off and to gain life from drawing them to fuel their ability to cast spells. This isnt something necro is able to achieve since it isnt drawing, it's a very narrow use and doesnt combo well with many cards. Necro is by all means a strong card but not comparable to pay 1: draw 1 and sees very limited play outside of zur decks because of it being simply too slow. The comparison of Griselbrand to Razaketh was more fair since both are premium reanimate targets however, Griselbrand is undoubtedly the stronger one because it provides more value by itself, requiring a creature harms Razaketh a lot in the comparison even if it's a diabolic intent on a stick. My personal opinion is that necro should stay unbanned while griselbrand and yawg's bargain stays banned due to the stark differences in utility, all three can run away with the game but necro is just much slower and requires you to commit to a certain amount before knowing if you drew enough. Ive seen necro run away with games but all of those times I can samely say if it was griselbrand or yawg's bargain the game would've ended like 3 turns sooner.

34:50 I think you're understating the difference between Iona and Winter Orb/Stasis. The latter are definitely better lock pieces in general, but they can be answered by anyone affected by them at the table which, while a MonoBlack deck might have a harder time against Winter Orb than another player, it's still workable. Iona has no counterplay since the opponent cannot cast their spells of that color because it's literally just not in the cards to handle it since you cannot cast your cards.

@SlotCurrentlyEmpty

6 ай бұрын

I had a deck all about that like 15 years ago!

@MrCenturion13

6 ай бұрын

There are several colorless kill spells to deal with this.

@Inugamirukazu

6 ай бұрын

​@@MrCenturion13yeah, but are you going to god draw then? Probably not

@blobface103

6 ай бұрын

I just think there's several cards that do things like this already

@Inugamirukazu

6 ай бұрын

@@blobface103 there're more or less 5 to 10 Colorless removal that are good enough to put on a deck, and even then, the colored removal is better, you would have to put a mid card instead of a top card, and even then, you would have to luck out to draw that single colorless removal of your 99 singles deck at the exact turn right after the opponent played iona

This is better than any Lofi video I've ever listened to.

We really need to bring back the banned as commander list. Braids isn't the worst when you have to draw it first

This channel just always hits, we appreciate your hard work 🎉

@jamesmeppler6375

6 ай бұрын

It hits? I feel more like it missed and its my first time,if this is always then hard pass on the rest, and I been playing mtg since 3rd edition. This isn't the same game anymore. 60 card is dead and 20-30 minute turns rule standard. Its literally defeating the point it was invented for

@bendysbrother7447

2 ай бұрын

​​​@@jamesmeppler6375my man this was video entirely about commander, why are you bringing up issues in other formats? Like I'm genuinly confused why you think this was a bad video. It didn't lie about the content in the video, and it was very informative to new and unfamiliar players. I don't disagree about what you said in the other formats, just confused why you brought it up under a commander video.

@Corrupted

2 ай бұрын

​@@bendysbrother7447bro is upset about the game and somehow thinks it's the video's fault, no idea

I am a huge advocate on bringing back ”banned as commander” and in Lutri’s case ”banned as a companion.” Many if not all of the old banned as commander cards would be ok in the 99 and we have the tools to both make them work and to make them go away. I hope the RC takes another look at them at some point. Liked the video, conscise, to the point and well argumented in the short time you allocated to each card. Many kudos. Also, personally, I’d ban Sol ring and mana crypt along with dockside and jeweled lotus.

@MistaHoward

6 ай бұрын

Literally everyone is a huge advocte for bringing back the banned as commander (and as companion now I suppose) lists but for some reason the RC really, really hates the idea. Nobody ever even complained about it, they just did it of their own volition.

@autistic8bit203

6 ай бұрын

​@HowardPhillipsMistaHoward when they were doing that even cards banned as a commander were still breaking the format. But this before commander product was was released. Once the product was released banned as a commander going away made since. As of late when a ban happens a unban comes with it.

@MistaHoward

6 ай бұрын

@@autistic8bit203 I don't think banned as commander ever makes sense. If banned as commander cards were really so problematic in the 99 (they obviously weren't since many of them were just outright unbanned) then they could simply elevate them to a full ban. There are a few cards on the banlist that wouldn't be that problmeatic in the 99 (or as commander in Lutri's case) - that's reason enough to bring it back, since there isn't a single valid reason to have gotten rid of it in the first place.

@ethansmith9078

6 ай бұрын

Same. Honestly same

@RyeGuy4821

6 ай бұрын

​​@@MistaHoward i feel something to understand: the most important thing the RC emphasize is rule 0, in the sense of your group communicating and deciding the cards are fine, regardless of their general RC rulings

I played with and against Recurring Nightmare in eternal formats in the past. I don't ever want to see that card on the table in commander :D And gifts can find 4 "I win the game" cards instead of just 1 like a regular tutor, If you build your deck to play stuff from the grave, there's very little your opponents can do if it resolves.

I've been falling asleep with theese videos for more than year😍😍 This is the best lullaby ever. Keep it going.

I’ve been waiting for this for a while. I’ve just been finding a manalogs video then trying to fall asleep in time

Love how you basically stitched all this videos together, I wonder how the algorithm will react

I think you're really underselling the "signpost ban" aspect. Commander is such a varied and personal format, the ban list should only dictate what cards you play in sanctioned events (even then, there should really be a "unless everyone at the table agrees" clause IMO). People really need to discuss what kind of game they're playing when they're planning for or sitting down for a commander session. I *would* prefer a separate signpost list for cards like this, so people *know* "this card isn't a powerlevel thing, so consider similar effects depending on the group's preferences" vs "this card is a problem" or "in the wrong deck, this is oppressive". But, again, the banned list shouldn't matter in most games. Most playgroups have an unspoken ban list anyway. You do briefly mention the committee's philosophy a few times, but only in passing. I feel like you could spend a bit longer on it, even if you disagree with it.

@timothye.2902

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. I'd personally like to see a "ban" list that considers exclusively the competitive format, and a "warning post" list that frames itself as a kind of jumping off point for rule 0. Cards on the "warning post" list could reference effects like MLD, free counterspells, and untap locks as potential topics to bring up to your pod. But the truly "this card is not allowed in the format" list would only care about the competitive scene.

A little tidbit about Gifts Ungiven, it's not banned because of the fact that you can make any 4-card win pile, but you could search for any 2 cards and then "fail to find" 2 more cards with different names, effectively an instant-speed 4-mana double tutor.

@willemboele2079

6 ай бұрын

not precisely, if you search 2 cards those are the ones that go to the graveyard. it can be a double garuanteed entomb not a demonic tutor

@dylansylvester4719

6 ай бұрын

​@@willemboele2079so a bad instant speed buried alive 😅

Awesome vid! Starting playing commander around 2015-16 so a lot of these already had the ban hammer. It’s fun to see why they where banned!

maybe an idea for the channel? a top 100 cards of all time, channelfireball did one a couple of years ago but since then there have been alot of new cards printed, (pre errata lurrus springs to mind), you could split the series over like 10 or so episodes and i think it could be alot of fun!, thanks for the videos anyways really enjoy all the channels.

You forgot to mention that Erayo's Essence combos really well with Arcane Laboratory and other similar cards. Just completely shuts down your opponents.

Thank you I always use your videos for this purpose and this video is like th perfected form of that

I would say Iona is banned due to unbanning painters servant. Really reason to tooth and nail both of them. If tooth and nail is the card I’m thinking of. I’m not a green player. Painters servant bring more to the game than Iona. But if both of them where unbanned if you include one. There is no reason to not include the other.

With leyline of anticipation or vedalcan Orrery and Seedborn Muse you have a harder to deal with prophet. However it does take a little bit longer to put together sometimes and it would also free up a card slot potentially.

@Meun

6 ай бұрын

It's two cards compared to one. That's the major reason why it's baneed

In argument for coalition Victory, the game is so much faster now that almost everyone and anyone can respond. It also only exists in radiance decks, meaning you have to play the (arguably) weakest commanders in the game (save for Sissay and Jodah, Ur-Dragon, but Ur probably wouldn't run this because why would they). The new Eldrazi have **devoid** so you can't win with this spell. I think it could use a remake where it's an artifact that grants the effect on the next upkeep, that way the alternate wincon still exists but has more time to react to it. This would make it similar to Door to Nothingness where insted of forcing someone to lose the game you just win the game.

as a new player, this is a godsend. Now I know how to recreate these unfun cards with legal combos. JK. subscribed!

Phenomenal job. Saved to the playlist.

An argument for Lutri to be unbanned is that is was banned under the old companion rule where you could cast it from the companion zone, and now you have to pay 3 mana just to put it in your hand

@mimic_ssb

5 ай бұрын

This is true. Imo it's still broken (Izzet decks get to start with an 8-card hand) but it used to be even stronger!

@Fauna_CR

Ай бұрын

A good point, but it's honestly still way too powerful. The fact that you're able to just start with an 8th card in hand for literally no additional cost just because you have U/R in your deck is way too good.

Love this. Learning so much.

I remember I had my brother's five colour general with an arrest on it. It was really his only asset on the board. I was running Zur with many of my best enchantments in play. He played coalition victory and I actually had a good laugh that I had managed to lose that game.

that otter kinda cute tho

Bring back Banned as Commander

The duel logs has a MTG channel! this is awesome!

The reason recurring nightmare is banned and Reanimate et al. are not is because those only need to be answered once. Recurring Nightmare requires a counterspell to stop it from doing what it's doing without graveyard hate while the other ones can be answered with creature and/or enchantment removal which was a lot more common in the format at the time it was banned. I think nowadays you could make an argument for unbanning it with how much incidental graveyard hate is in the format, so it doesn't force players to play otherwise dead cards like rip or grafdigger's cage. At the same time you could make the argument that it being legal would heavily favor the colors that have incidental graveyard hate, which is usually green/black/white, IE colors that don't really need more help than they already get. Also, a notable reason for the Griselban while Necropotence is still legal is that there is no way to draw 35 cards with Necro and have them available immediately or on your next turn. With necro, you pay 35 to draw 35, get the cards on your end step, then you discard them on the cleanup phase. With Griselbrand you can just wait until the next player's upkeep and draw 35 and have all of those cards available immediately and get to untap with 40+ cards in hand. If you do that with Necro, you get them on your next end step... then discard them. Griselbrand draw is basically guaranteed to find you a reliquary tower or similar to circumvent this, and you'll have that card in hand on your main phase unlike with necro.

One thing about the moxed that wasn’t mentioned was that they don’t have a color identity so if they were legal it would be 5 auto include cards that makes things more swingy (some hands will have 3, some lame hands will only have 1, and some unplayable hands will have none) and also compound the pricing problem given that once you get one you might as well go for all. Keep them banned

@username4835

6 ай бұрын

Mox cards (power 9, not Amber and Diamond), do have color identity. “Add [color mana written as text]” has all been errataed to “Add W/U/B/R/G.” This applies to all the older mana rocks like the Moxes and Bones of Ramos.

@IzzRei

6 ай бұрын

@@username4835 that’s right, I was wrong there. Thanks for the correction

I agree with the emrakrul take, it should be unbanned.

If I'm wrong somebody let me know but recurring nightmare doesn't work that way because when you cast it you get priority which allows you to cast a ability or spell that has instant speed not only is recurring nightmare still resolving its ability says that it can only be activated at sorcery speed so I suppose destroy enchantments wouldn't work but anything that has counter an instant speed would make it null and void. Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding what he's saying

Turn 1: Forest, fastbond, pay life drop sunscorched desert, zuran orb and a crucible of worlds and then table kill

Was just looking for one and this popped up thank you

Trade Secrets has always confused me as a card. I feel like I have to be misunderstanding it since I've never seen anyone else mention this, but what is stopping the targeted opponent from forcing the caster into drawing their entire deck out? If I get targeted, what is stopping me from drawing 60 cards and forcing my opponent to draw 120 cards and lose automatically? Edit: I just reread and for the first time noticed the part that says "up to four"

@peacedustinc.7108

6 ай бұрын

You don't need to draw the cards, it says "draw up to 4 cards".

I think its important to remember, Iona was banned alongside Painter's Servant being unbanned, when put together those two cards completely lock your opponents out of the game, which is why Painter's Servant got banned originally,

One of my favorite two card combos witherbloom apprentice with chain of smog pretty nice i use it in my high powered meren of clan nel toth deck

29:43 but Notion Thief also has flash....

@cucumber030

6 ай бұрын

he's not good enough though

This is great for background at work too

ok I just came to youtube to find something to sleep to so this is it, nice

I think Iona was also chosen because it can target a single player out rather than affecting everyone at the table.

Any channel that great people talking should release one of this videos

My argument for Lutri is that Companions shouldn't be a thing in Commander and adding a paragraph to allow them was a mistake. Just remove that rule. If people want easy access to that cycle they can run them as their Commanders. They're all Legendary.

Damn I would love to have Recurring Nightmare unbanned. I've got a Karador control value engine with its name on it.

A card like Golos I feel is more so banned to set an example for the people who design magic cards rather than people who play with them. By banning a card like Golos they are basically telling the designer to stop making generically good 5 color commanders, especially ones that don't require all 5 colors to cast them.

@josephwodarczyk977

3 ай бұрын

They absolutely talked to wotc and told them to stop that.

WHAT CRACK WHERE THEY ON WITH TIME WALK THAT'S ONE OF THE STRONGEST EFFECTS IN THE GAME FOR THE PRICE OF A COUNTERSPELL

Panoptic Mirror would be so unreasonably funny with the new Obeka, as well as any of the other additional upkeep effects that are being printed lately. They should unban it solely for the bit.

You didn't even mention about Karakas answers that land destruction is considered a big no no in EDH.

@dylansylvester4719

6 ай бұрын

Everyone should pack answers to problem lands like tectonic edge in their mana base

Iona became banned at the same time painter's servant was unbanned. when iona calls the color painter's servant called, you shut out all opponents from playing colored spells. painter's servant wasn't really an issue since i'm not really sure if it's played in any decks aside from grindstone decks, oona, queen of the fae, and maybe scarecrow tribal. iona was always going to cause more issues if they were both unbanned at the same time so swapping the one potentially causing more issues (granted i don't know how widespread the problem was) with the one that is extremely niche in its use seems to make sense

- I really thought Golos was gonna be followed up with Jeleva, hah Jeleva is blue-red-black so she can't fit into nearly as many niches as Golos, but what she lacks in versatility she makes up for with sheer milling force Her exiling cards from her opponents' decks upon being summoned is already scary especially because she can use those cards against you no cost, but it gets even scarier because the number of cards exiled is tied directly to her effective summoning cost I learned this the hard way while test-running a deck I built around Niv-Mizzet, Parun as the commander - Sway of the Stars sounds less like a nuisance and more of a suggestion for a quickplay format with friends 40 cards, like 10 life, standard format rules otherwise, go wild - I'm not particularly competitive so I dunno how much the hand limit is of concern in higher-level play, but Upheaval to me also seems devastating because you're very likely gonna lose some of your cards to the cleanup phase of your turn - I will always love Worldfire as a "1v1 me bro" last resort

The Iona take I don’t agree with. The fact Iona shuts out mono color decks from playing the game makes similar situations to the other cards you said should stay banned. Iona unlike winter orb is also very one sided. People are less likely to build mono color decks if they have to face Iona’s

There's a version of Balance called Restore Balance that is only 1 mana, but it's suspend 6. I guess the suspend mechanic makes it fair. There are a couple of ways to get that out a little faster though, but I guess by the time you pay those costs, Balance is restored.

Perfect timing I was about to fall asleep finally

if I were to change limited resources I would remove the bottom text and and at the begining of each players end step each player chooses 5 lands and sacs the rest still keeps the cards intended effect as a stax effect and punisher of land ramp but not as lobsided in commander

I'm 4 months late but: Iona being banned was a result of it usually being unfun to play against on top of them unbanning Painter's Servant. banning her as commander would do nothing either because it's easier to tutor for her. any green/white deck would probably include that combo, and it's not really hard to Tooth and Nail Entwine as early as turn 4 or 5

Didn’t think so many cards that were clearly over powered would be controversial to ban haha

I think Iona is a pretty reasonable ban, actually. The format already tends towards multicolor piles of cards, no need to incentivize that further.

@swain1153

5 ай бұрын

I mean it was in the format for like 10 years and it was totally fine but to each their own

Incredible. I actually fell asleep to this

lmao, i woke up with this video playing in the morning and i read the title

orayo can play a rule of law effect, basicly counter the only spell you have each turn

I mean there is one reason. It is a legendary creature (iona). I don't always draw my winter orb. But I will always have access to my Iona, and if I know I have access to it, then I can build a deck that will make sure I get it out as fast as possible and make sure it wont be countered. I would say there is definitely good arguments for unbanning it. But I think you should have at least gotten into the fact that as your commander you have access to it no matter what. While I don't think that counts for Cedh, for casual I can see it being very suppresive to play against.

39:00 I'm really glad Upheaval is banned, because when I started playing commander breaking this kind of "symmetrical" effect was really compelling to me, and I would have frustrated all my friends by accident. However, I *did* end up casting Armageddon a couple times. The first time it just made someone else win. I went, "Ah, I see. With great power comes great responsibility. I will only cast this when I have a clearly winning boardstate." I put it in an artifact deck, then I maneuvered into a winning board, and slammed Armageddon! None of my friends conceded. We sat there while I attacked one of them for 10, then some of them played a land. Then I attacked the same person for 10, killing him. Then the other two drew, played land, and passed. It took like ten minutes of them going land-think-pass to kill everyone. I wish Armageddon and Ravages of War were also banned, saving new players from tricking themselves into this unfun play pattern.

1:37 glad to hear Logs has studied at the Scott Steiner School of mathematical probability too.

Funny enough there are banned card on here my play group plays with. Prophet of Kruphix and Emrakul are two bigger examples but it's just how the decks that have them behave mostly. Emra is in an Animar deck as a big finisher while Prophet is in a rather cheesy Intet deck how usually wins by taking a million extra turns. I think play groups should look at the ban list and evaluate if they should allow certain cards or not due to the temperance of the players.

Drannith Magistrate isn't even remotely comparable to Karakas. Yes, both can prevent opponents from putting legendary creatures onto the battlefield, but Karakas's real utility is the fact that you can use it to abuse "enter the battlefield" triggers on your own legendary creatures (like Breya for example). Karakas can also be used as a pseudo Maze of Ith to prevent yourself from taking combat damage from opposing legendary creatures. Also, if your opponent recasts their commander or any other legendary after having it bounced by Karakas, you've basically forced them to waste their mana, and by extension, their turn, which puts Karakas in a league of its own in terms of utility and viability that most cards can only dream of having.

Coalition victory, paradox engine, panoptic mirror, primeval titan and biorhythm is legitimately the card that has the BEST justification for being unbanned especially with modern day powercreep

This video just makes me think more and more that CEDH and Casual Commander should be two separate formats with separate banlists, because bans geared toward one do not tend to work for the other.

I'm surprised there was no mention of Iona being banned at the same time Painter's Servant was unbanned. It's kind of obvious someone thought that Painter's Servant was fine on its own or could be fine with other combos, but having both it and Iona around together was considered too much. Iona might be rough against mono-coloured decks, but realistically there aren't that many of those around, and in multiplayer games someone is going to have an answer for her in a colour that wasn't named.

It could be argued that a panoptic mirror victory is different from the non-banned combos will take a very long time to resolve and forcing everyone to just sit and wait for the caster to finish their single player gane so it's just a lot more tedious than playing/triggering them and saying gg

RC:"Coalition victory is too easy and dumb to be allowed to be legal" Also RC:"Thassa's Oracle is a totally legit and fair card"

thing is, we had a few players in our extended play group playing banned cards, was never a issue, but we also have cedh decks play with fun decks (2 - 3 power level or restrictions like 25$ budget) in the same pod... when people play for fun, those cards are less of an issue, compared to people playing for the win

@slimeproject2868

6 ай бұрын

I can hardly imagine a round of commander being fun if 2 players play 25$ decks and the other 2 blue farm and rogsai. The latter 2 can just win turn 1 while the others played a tapped land

@kilteddwarf

6 ай бұрын

@@slimeproject2868 the cedh decks keep hands, that would be unplayable in a cedh pod

At 5:06 you say the combo is mute this is which means silent or unable to speak what you clearly meant was moot which means not important functionaly impossible irrelevant or some other means of not mattering.

Iona caught a ban because of the bad feels. Stax effects that hit the whole table suck for everyone, but Iona has the potential to shut down just one player, making it hit unevenly and creating a bad environment as the shutout player watches three other people go around and around. If it was an effect that hit everyone evenly, it wouldn’t be an issue. I think the RC just wants to discourage that kind of effect, as the easiest way out is to convince someone who isn’t locked out to remove it.

@mewmeister8650

4 күн бұрын

That, and because Iona is a big splashy angel, it tends to be an accidental lock more than anything else.

Amazing!!!!❤🎉

Typo for Leovold, in the mana cost you write out.

Coalition victory only needs 2 lands and a couple mana rocks now.

@jamesthomas6984

6 ай бұрын

Gifts ungiven has been errata'd because its hidden ability that you dont have to choose 4 cards, and can instead just choose 2 and dump them directly into the graveyard. Another argument to ban gifts is the prevalence of graveyard hate, same as Reoccurring Nightmare.

@jamesthomas6984

6 ай бұрын

The issues with Leovold and Harbinger are two different reasons of the same outcome. Leovold was immensely consistent to lock everyone out of the game. Harbinger was completely accessible to anyone with blue, being blue and 2 colourless, and was just thrown in to every blue deck because its effect puts you into the driver seat every single time. Hell, it would've been run with leovold. The amount of extra cards in commander that come out of nowhere dont only get nullified, but turn into your advancement. It's not a -1, it's a -1 +1 gap double dipping success. These both are troubling for competitive AND casual play, by the majority of players. :)

@jamesthomas6984

6 ай бұрын

A thing to note with Erayo... Its flip does not say your turn. So it's even more consistent. If this was not a legendary, it would be a blip on the radar, but not game ending this way. The consistency of being a commander was too much.

Gifts ungiven is actually better, because of the "up to" effect. Say you choose 2 cards you desperately need in your graveyard because you have a necrotic ooze on the battlefield. The opponent is forced to choose both to put in your graveyard, giving them absolutely no choice, which is the intent of the card. In the right deck, it's much better.

Iona could also be played as a commander, not to mention that the difference in not untapping and not being able to play cards are very different! Oh, and Iona's ability doesn't affect the player playing it, unlike Stasis or Winter orb, that both affect everyone... The comparison would be if Armageddon only destroyed opponents lands, and not yours...

All of this video seems very well put together, and i really like your viewpoints on most bans. However i think you really missed the ball on Iona. Say for instance youre playing a mono red deck, and someone casts Iona. You most likely have absolutely zero ways to interact with the cast, as red isnt known for its counters, and now that she's hit the field, any other way you had to answer her is gone should that player name red. If for any reason no one else at your table is playing red, then they have zero perogative to help you, and you're officially entirely locked out of the game, by only one card. You compared Iona to void winnower, but they're just not the same. Iona completely locks every card of one color, regardless. VW locks only even mana values, and if your deck contains absolutely zero odd mana value removal, you've made a grave error, as most removal used in commander is odd costed. I respect almost every other opinion in here flawlessly, but this one missed the mark for me, hard.

"I technically can be a commander" why include this for emrakul in the thumbnail? Click bait?! 😢

@pickler_pickler

6 күн бұрын

For the same reason he purposely mispronounces card names sometimes. It's engagement bait and you fell for it by commenting

@IsaacEsquivel-Pilloud

5 күн бұрын

Nuh-uh 🫠 I don't fall for no bait I'm above that 😓

(time walk can go on isocron scepter too)

I don't think it's fair to pair primeval titan with sylvan primordial. The former simply grabs you two tapped lands (it can grab more on attack trigger, but lets be honest, its most likely not living that long) that at best grabs you combo lands and massively telegraphs what you're planning. The latter removes up to three opponents permanents and grabs you that many lands, effectively +6 in card advantage. Its an extremely huge swing with few limitations on situational applicability that absolutely breaks the board in a very unfair and unfun way. As a scummy Yarok main at heart, I think primetime could absolutely be unbanned and just be a powerful green staple, but sylvan primordial should absolutely stay banned.

Id say the main argument for Panoptic to remain banned is that it doesn't win on the spot, and could take an excruciating amount of time to get to the win. It can be extremely grindy. Remember the argument for previous cards remaining banned, it's about it not being fun.

I read Recurring Nightmares and all I see is Palinchron. No matter where our old friend Pali is, field or graveyard, and any other ETB destroy creature (Ravenous Chupacabra, Eternal Witness, *ACIDIC SLIME* ), that could kickstart into what players hate most: A complete board wipe that didn’t also end the game. I think there are possibly even better ways to abuse the card, but that alone is why I think it should stay banned 💯💯

@ulfurfemogfyrre8078

6 ай бұрын

a boardwipe for 30 mana or so?

@Bongus_Bubogus

6 ай бұрын

@@ulfurfemogfyrre8078 You’re online, read what Palinchron does

I remember an insane deck i ran paradox engine in my Niv deck basically drew my entire deck play all the cards and cycle all those cards back in to my deck to do it all again my turn was infinite but with each cycle i killed a player while locking down my opponents so they couldn't counter anything or stop the combo the single turn took about 20 minutes for each cycle so when i did it once i just said "i repeat the exact same steps 2 more times to kill the other two players" it was very strong and very weird kinda glad it was banned so i could rework the deck and made it more fun to play because its still bullshit but its a goofy fun bullshit

i dont get it how can emrakul be your commander

I think the most egregious thing about Library of Alexandria being banned is that Mishra's Workshop, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, and Timetwister are all legal, so clearly there's no issue with commander legal cards costing multiple thousands of dollars, and I would argue that all of them are, in their own ways, at least around, if not above, the power level of the Library

Played against dockside once I played artifakts so he made a total of 50 Treasure or so per time (he flickered 4 times😢)

Golos is banned, but in the sidenotes on 49:56 says that the card is legal in Commander(?)

Damn… i thought I’m the only one using commander podcast to fall asleep to..

The only card i really dont think should be banned is Braids; Honestly pox doesnt feel any more limiting than counterspells. I get more sad having my big spells countered than having lands, creatures or arti's blown up

22:30 With a STIFLE!

Out of all the cards banned I really am still baffled by the Golos ban. Get rid of it because of the free spells it casts then a few years later they release Jodah the unifier and it's not a problem lol

I can see a pattern, most of these cards just don't let people play in 4p games lol.

Seed borne muse and the orrery do the same. I run it in Atraxa.

Oh damn. Literally fell asleep to this video