My weight: with gear on & with some gear in the bags: 90-95kg / 200-210lb. If you add more weight & compress the suspension more, then results may vary. Bike settings: Dynamic Mode. (Road Mode, which lowers the suspension = result may vary) Lean Angle: don't know, I didn't have the BMW app set to record short rides but if I had to guess, it was around 45+° when the bar touched down.

Nice job capturing the video and freezing it! I'd say this is going above and beyond for your viewers!

This was a great video and collective comments, and replies. Reminds me of late MCN publication from States. Our best results come from measuring everything and documenting in the best fashion, such as your video stops and examine in detail what is really happening. In a younger lifetime we would often get together a lightly used side of a local airport and make lean angle moves at increasingly higher speeds via arranging and re arranging the cones, in preparation to "timing" our mountain runs on the weekends. In the end everyone became converts to really long feelers, which usually were ground down and re lengthened every two "timing sessions" in the mountains. Saved a lot of body ( fairing and personal) damage. Thanks

Nice video, Scott. You are brave to do such a demonstration. I recall reading about this same issue with the Wunderlich crash bars touching the pavement when I was looking at various manufacturers of bars for my bike last February. I have purchased many items from Wunderlich in the past and even visited their South Carolina store to be fitted for and purchase my Helite vest. But because of this “Problem”, I purchased and installed Ilium front and rear crash bars. I am very pleased with Ilium’s quality and customer support. I even spoke with the owner of Ilium when I had a question about taking off the “RT” side panel. His advice worked perfectly. Another video idea - review various airbag vests. Ride safe.

I have the same crash bars on my RT 1250. But as I have lower down my foot pegs with wunderlich equipment device (about 2cm) it’s my foot pegs that touch the ground instead 😊

Good job Scott. Well done, salute!

Excellent piece of consumer testing! 👍

I have accepted that crash bars are always to protect in a low speed or garage drops. In high speed drops or impact don’t bother to see if the bars will save your bike. More to worry about than your bike in such a crash…..yourself!

I'll never buy a Rt but still was amazed by your test. Scientific approach to scratching pegs, I love it. If i was you i would remove immediately those bars and look for something different for protection, hitting hard on those bars would mean crashing for sure.

This is why I watch this channel 👍

Wow! Great effort!😮

absolutely agree with crash bars really being for the little drops when moving the bike.

Fascinating test Scott! Thanks for your valued method & efforts. Kudos to you for doing what you say you’re doing! Rubber side down & time to get the GS!😉

I use MachineArt Moto's X-Head cylinder covers instead of engine bars on my R1250RS. Provides tip-over and roll-over-onto-side protection without impeding lean angle or looks. Hitting a hard part during being leaned over might cause a wheel to unbalance and send you tumbling.

since your crash bars are add ons, all you have to do now for peace of mind is to replace your foot peg "feelers" with longer ones... so that you know when you are about to scrape hard parts with all the associated risks....OR, make sure that you use your sport mode with lean angle display and stay away from whatever lean angle the scraped crash bar came up to! thank you for making a vid on this specific topic! always informative!!

@lorenzo3101ol

Жыл бұрын

Is there a sport mode display on the rt?

@NothingToProve

Жыл бұрын

@@lorenzo3101ol Nope 😥

Thanks. I guess that answers my question: going for the SW-Motech protection

Great video, congratulations. Tuned in because I'm trying to decide whether to fit crash bars to my 1250. I have the machineArt covers on at the moment for a sort of minimum protection. I guess scraping the bars is not so much of a problem - it would only be if you put so much weight on them in the corner they start to lever the tyres off the tarmac!

Very interesting!

Hey Scott, brilliant test & courage! Would you advise on crash guards versus cylinder guards installation for optimal protection?

Thanks for sacrificing for us!

Great video, definitely food for thought on this subject. My initial thought is explain this to a local machinist, Germany has plenty, and see what they can come up with. It might turn into something they want to start offering out of the factory in Berlin, or that you could hawk yourself, nice side project (maybe even with their blessings, I mean, you kinda got'm square on this one lol).

brilliant very interesting film

Found your video's as I'm considering buying a 1250RT LE, and I'm coming from an ST1300. On the ST, the crash bars touch before the pegs. On my old SV650, I had bungs fitted, so the foot pegs touched way before the bungs. I and friends would regularly grind pegs, and the ST has a little mark under the plastic cover, too. My take on the RT... hard parts are probably touching tarmac if you want to get rid of the strips anyway. I'd rather it be crash bars than cylinder heads.

I have an 1250 RS, basically similar engine/chassis configuration, but with OEM BMW crash bars, and I think they don’t stick out as much as the Wunderlich you are using, and that’s why you’re touching the pavement with them. I haven’t tried to play with them, but I can visually see the foot peg tip sticking out from it. Good video as always and by the way, you are the reason I bought the RS, 😊

Hmmm, not sure about that. I have the same RT model and have been considering crash bars. However I recall many years back on another bike touching the bars down, granted at much higher speed than 19mph and down I went due to the rear wheel lifting. A useful demo though, thank you.

Good video and interesting too. Can imagine a heavier pilot and lots n lots of luggage, it may vary a bit. But well done on da video.

Recently i changed my oem foot pegs with after market and the new ones had two pairs of underneath bolts , smaller for my model and longer for the cbr model. I assume because they cbr footpegs are higher.Maybe replacing the bolts your footpegs have with a litle longer you will solve the problem reducing though a bit the maximum leane angle

It's disappointing the bars scrape first. I suppose, other than different bars you could lower the footpegs or perhaps add a longer feeler? Of course hanging off a bit more would reduce overall lean angle but not overall turn in speed. Tough situation but I know it would freak me out worrying about the bars hitting.

Tbh that’s quite a fair lean on that

Hola.. interesante video. yo tambien rozaba las barras Heed y las quité. Una pregunta.. que marca y modelo son esos pantalones se ven buenos ¡¡ Gracias

Should get some titanium blocks on the bars to get some cool F1 sparks 😂

This is what I wanted so far. I have 21MY R1250RT and always curious which part would be scrached. I was thinking the side box would have.

As a Harley and an RT owner I had to laugh at your remark about Harley riders being used to catching hard parts first 👍👍

You can get peg lowering brackets that drop the pegs.

Hahaha - the other day I took a bit of a sharp turn at 94kmh - my centerstand scraped first on my 2022 R1250RS. Suspension on Road and preload on Dynamic

You probably dont reach this leanangle when going really fast,but when doing so,you can use your boot to feel it touch the tarmac .

Great video, usefull. Question: What is your lean angle when you touchdown the crash bar?

@NothingToProve

Жыл бұрын

Sorry I didn't have the BMW Connected app running, so I'd have to guess, around 45+, probably closer to 47...if I had to guess.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this whole video is about the crash bar hitting the ground and raising the front wheel off the surface. Because that's my big concern with my motorcycle crash bars.

Would the results change if you had the luggage crash bars too?

Eek I don’t think I’m ready for an rt yet .. I like my curves , thanks for the video though … who’d a thought!

Yeah I would want my spring loaded pegs to be the first indicator rather than hard mounted crash bars

I have a 2021 RT1250 with givi front crash bars and have scraped then be for the peg , so l fitted 10mm longer hero bolts in to the pegs much happer.

@NemanjaVucinic

Ай бұрын

Does the same happen on GS?

Put longer feelers on the pegs

Question...I have the engine guards, now thinking about the Wunderlich rear bars, but I concerned if they would interfere with the rear passenger leg position and comfort. Have you seen these installed? Opinion? Thanks!

@NothingToProve

10 ай бұрын

I have not, personally, but others have said that yes it does "interfere" but very little but the shorter your legs are the more they may or may not "interfere". take care, Scott

hello Scott, is it not true that the suspension only stiffens up above 50 kph? maybe above 50 they will not touch. don't own one yet.still saving up for it but next year i expect it in my garage! 900 xr out and in with the RT😬waiting for your long time review!!

@NothingToProve

Жыл бұрын

Oh, I've never heard of that before. Could you please tell me where this information is, a link or something else please. ride safe, Scott P.S. I will probably start working on the long term review this week, I hope.

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Nice. Well crash bars will also be there on a scrap in the autobahn 130 or 120kmh speed and as long as your bike keeps going without crashing against anything else it will erode the bars. Maybe your pannier will scrap too. I speak based on real life experience. Take care.

It would be interesting to know what lean angle you reached (if you had the Connected app running at the time).

@NothingToProve

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, no. I didn't change it to record short rides and ridding around a circle is a very short ride. But if I had to guess it'd be around 45+, probably a little more but I'm being conservative on the estimate.

great video.... but what lean angle did you get to before the crash bar touched the ground

@NothingToProve

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, I don't know, that was not my focus when I was trying to do this. If I had to guess, it'd be right around 44°, maybe 45°, I doubt any higher.

*_With a little scary. Thats's putting the bike down there._*

do you have the sport windshield or the regular?does it make a big difference? can't find any video on this

@NothingToProve

Жыл бұрын

I have the normal screen on mine. It's 4"/100mm taller than the sport screen. I never use the screen in the full up position, I normally have it about 50% way up, so I guess I'd use the sport in about the 75% up position. I did ride an one with a sport screen but since the screen is infinitely adjustable I just put it in the spot I liked and didn't notice a difference. BUT when there was cross wind I got some whistling noise at a certain speed and I don't notice that on the normal screen. So maybe it does matter 🤷‍♂️

Hi, I see that you only installed front crash bars. Do you think that rear crash bars are not necessary for protecting the panniers in a real case fall?

@NothingToProve

Жыл бұрын

Na, if they had sent me the rear bars, I would have put them on too!

I think I'd prefer the MachineArt Moto head protectors or maybe the Wunderlich equivalent.

@RikkyTang

Жыл бұрын

I've touched down the MachineArt moto ones, but this was at the track on my R1250R 😁

@paulv22

Жыл бұрын

@@RikkyTang Better than the valve covers!

Does the same happen on the GS? And the second question, is it dangerous if the crash bar scratches first? Can that cause the bike to flip over?

@NothingToProve

Ай бұрын

No and yes and yes.

@NemanjaVucinic

Ай бұрын

@@NothingToProve Thank you! If I put the rear ones what will scratch first? I think the rear ones might help especially in the case of dropping...

Hello Scott, I own a 2021 1250 RT fitted with Wunderlich front and rear crash bars. On my bike, the footpegs always touch first. On flat ground, this happens at a 41-42° lean angle. The crash bars touch the ground at about 44-45° lean angle. This is with DYNAMIC suspension mode. What lean angle did your BMW app record when your crash bars touched the ground ? Keep the good work up, love your channel.

@NothingToProve

Жыл бұрын

Don't know, didn't turn on recording of small/short rides and needless to say this was not a long ride around a short circle :) On the street I'm usually in the high 30's lean but I can imagine that during this test I was around 45°+ because of the almost lack of chicken strips. But I've done 47+ on my 900XR on the street and still had chicken strips and they are the same exact tires, well Road 5 GT and not the 6 GT. And yes, I was in Dynamic mode and well you see the footage. So I wonder why you are touching the foot pegs before the bars...hmm. Maybe I'm a lot lighter than you: LOL! take care, Scott

Can you please tell me where I can purchase those crashbars. I'm in Australia

@NothingToProve

Жыл бұрын

www.wunderlichaustralia.com/

✊️🇨🇵bravo

What was the suspension setting at during this test?

@NothingToProve

5 ай бұрын

Dynamic.

Is it possibly exasperated by the fork diving slightly into it's travel when loading the front end for the turn¿

@NothingToProve

Жыл бұрын

Nope, it was one speed all the way around the circle. No braking done or even off throttle. This is why I showed the one view of the entire circle and how I was going around it twice in the video. BTW the Telelever front on the RT has no "dive" even while braking hard.

Can't you just screw in longer hero blobs on the pegs?

Longer hero blobs on the pegs

At 2:13 did a bird poop on the seat??????

@NothingToProve

Жыл бұрын

Na, lol, it had rained that morning and the leaves where still full of water and when the wind blew...well, you get the point. But that would be funny if it was though.

Replace the feelers with longer ones.

@NothingToProve

Жыл бұрын

Yea, that was my thought too or gain some serious weight to weight down the bike so that the pegs touch first. LOL!

Longer footpeg feeler

You like leaning a lot, sell your RT and get yourself a BMW S1000RR.

@NothingToProve

Жыл бұрын

LOL! Yea, been there done the sport bike thing 15 years ago, I was even a "track day junkie". Now I'm old and too tired to ride leaned over in a sport bike position. 😥 take care, Scott