I am a follower of James (the Tabor).

@michaelfuller34

Жыл бұрын

(at least on KZread…)

@elizabeth_777

Жыл бұрын

I enjoy James the Tabor as well🤓😁

@user-yy9lg6gs4h

Жыл бұрын

*the small-cap infiltraitor Tabor

@bibotah

Жыл бұрын

😂

@DorothyDanso-lt2ez

3 ай бұрын

Your James the Tabor, in his quest for relevance and wealth, is playing into the hands of the enemies of Christ.

Jesus has no intention of starting a new Christian movement. He wants to reform Jewish religious practice. I see Jesus as a kind of Luther at that time. It is Paul who expanded the ideas of Jesus and turned it into a Christian church.

@anthonypanneton923

2 ай бұрын

Exactly right!

@TheSulross

Ай бұрын

The Essences were not keen on the temple establishment, John the Baptist was critical, and then Jesus, so it was a thing in Judaism at the time that there were groups that were disaffected with the temple establishment.

What sense does it make to think That Jesus, after his death, would reveal teachings to Paul that he never mentioned to James, Peter or the other chosen 12 while he (Jesus) was on Earth?

@salanzaldi4551

Жыл бұрын

The true and original followers of Jesus were not "Christians"! They were Torah observant Jews who didn't think Jesus had started a new religion but rather continued to think of themselves as Jews!

@desertcat4193

11 ай бұрын

Excellent question. Have often wondered about this and have not found a reasonable or sensible answer.

@shmataboro8634

11 ай бұрын

@salanzaldi4551....exactly. also, Paul was preparing people for the world to end Very Soon. If Jesus was coming to him in visions, you'd think Jesus would be telling him the truth. 2000 years later it looks a lot like the world was not about to end Very Soon. So Paul was either misinformed ( not by Jesus) or crazy, or just plain lying.

@strappedfatman7858

9 ай бұрын

Worship the God of Abraham! YHVH! Abraham was the first to receive, The Gospel, The good news of the Kingdom! Galatians 3:6 Just as Abraham “put faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 7 Surely you know that it is those who adhere to faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 Now the scripture, foreseeing that God would declare people of the nations righteous through faith, declared the good news beforehand to Abraham, namely: “By means of you all the nations will be blessed.” 9 So those who adhere to faith are being blessed together with Abraham, who had faith. New King James Version Galatians 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”

@Thor-Orion

7 ай бұрын

@@salanzaldi4551but James did have rules for gentiles to come into their movement without getting circumcised. He was heavily traditional/conservative but did still understand that the teachings of his brother shouldn’t be limited only to the Torah observant apostles. They did think of themselves as Jews because it was a Jewish movement. Whereas Paul is a Roman starting a Roman movement. So you see, the “new religion” started with Paul, as all of Jesus’ teachings were meant to usher in a new covenant with God within Judaism. But they also welcomed gentiles who got circumcised and followed all the Torah laws as full brothers in the faith, Izates II was not born Jewish, and he was heavily involved in the Jewish resistance to Rome.

There is so much good intelligent religion teaching on this channel and YT, which would rarely if ever be found in a conventional church. Thanks for posting.

@user-yy9lg6gs4h

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, that why they survived 2000 years is it? I've seen you b4, another small hat infiltraitor.

Considering Paul's attitude towards the Torah, I don't blame any Jew for refusing to convert to Christianity!

@MrSeedi76

Жыл бұрын

I doubt you ever truly analyzed what Paul said about the Torah. Don't believe internet experts. Read what Pinchas Lapide or Shalom Ben-Chorin said about Paul. Or read what Paul actually really says about the Torah.

@salanzaldi4551

Жыл бұрын

@@MrSeedi76 I'm paraphrasing but Paul said if the Law (Torah) could save us we wouldn't have needed Jesus to die on the cross. Galatians 2:21 He couldn't have been any more clear that he thought the Torah was no longer needed! Small wonder Jews reject Jesus and I don't blame them.

@RogerGreen-zr3hz

9 ай бұрын

That Torah cant "save" the individual is looking at the purpose of Torah backwards. Torah is given and is kept to save or repair whats broken in creation. It redeems not the individual but people as a group. The Reign of Heaven breaking out on earth not the individual going to heaven after death. Marx (decended from a long line of Rabbi's) critique of Pauls cult of personality about Joshua instead of what Joshua taught and the "pie in the sky bye and bye" of individual life after death as reward for faith, really was the opiate of the masses.

@Thor-Orion

7 ай бұрын

@@salanzaldi4551I mean, do you know who Sabbatai Zevi was? Half the Jews alive at the time worldwide believed he was the messiah. He was VERY anti-Torah. And then he converted to Islam and became a great mark of shame for those who had followed him. But Jacob Frank claimed to be him reincarnated and taught the same things and it caught on AGAIN…

I look forward for the episode. James was the head of the true apostles. I believe true christianity is found by finding and exploring the true teachings of James

@antonius3745

Жыл бұрын

What do we really know of James, and which one we really refer to? Christianity was not created by Jesus, the apostles, nor by Paul. Christianity came in existence after the year 66. Before that, it was a movement within the Temple Judaism. Many people do think Paul did convert. But to what he converted then? Christianity didn't exist. Paul had a revelation and did not convert.

@germanboy14

Жыл бұрын

​@@paulral Acts 15 directlly contradicts Galatians 2 where Peter said that Gentiles should "judaize". It also contradicts Paul, because he said that you can eat what you want. The 4 commandments are also nowhere else mentioned. Not in a letter and not in the gospels. Acts in general and is not considered reliable

@germanboy14

Жыл бұрын

​​@@paulral he knew them but they split. That's why we have Jewish Christianity and Pauline Christianity.

@antonius3745

Жыл бұрын

@@paulral The first assumption that Paul had a vision of Christ is not stated by Paul himself. It is only told in Acts that is written almost 50 years after Paul's letters! And curiously enough, it grows and contradicts itself in the 3 version in Acts. Secondly, the whole search for the real Jesus is based on many assumptions and speculations. The Gospels are no real source because they are a catechesis and not a historical record. James is a very diffuse figure that we only know via Eusebius in the 3th century.

@whidoineedthis

Жыл бұрын

James=Yahmes 😂

I'm suffering from a lot of religious trauma. Please pray for me.

@mattmatt4031

Жыл бұрын

Yeah me too

@mattmatt4031

Жыл бұрын

I hope we can find peace though our experienced trauma and confusion. And to have breakthrough and resolution. Your not alone in your struggle.

@mattmatt4031

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't relate to anyone in the church that understood what I was going through

@mattmatt4031

Жыл бұрын

But I'm coming across more people in comments that are going through the same thing and podcasts etc.

@pineapplepenumbra

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry to hear that, and read it quite a lot. I've met people years ago who carried the psychological and, in some cases, physical scars from religious upbringings, and even some who had lost loved ones as a result of religious strife, but I'm slightly confused; what benefit do you believe praying would bring?

Paul even admits in 2 Timothy 1:15 that ALL of ASIA turned from him. So why does Jesus dictate to John the Revelator to write to the churches in Asia if Paul was His chosen man?

@matthewkopp2391

6 ай бұрын

Tabor points out here that Timothy was not written by Paul but was of a later date. And when looking at the followers of Paul like Marcion he did not have Timothy 1&2 in his own collection but claimed to have the original Paul letters . Marcion was in Anatolia Asia Minor with the greatest concentration of exclusively Paul followers. Timothy is suspected to have been written by proto-orthodoxy in the 2nd century. The Proto-orthodoxy called Paul „the apostle of heretics“, and Marcion said Paul was the only true apostle. There are multiple references I can give but „the apostle of the heretics” is how Tertullian refers to Paul in his extensive polemic against Marcion. Tertullian also wrote about the Ebionites who also would not recognize Paul at all, and are likely the lineage of James. The criticism of the Ebionites was they followed mosaic law strictly while the Paul followers did not. For inerrancy Christians this is rejected, but what is irrefutable was early Christianity had a multitude of contradictory sects, there was no real unity, similar to today’s endless list of denominations.

@DorothyDanso-lt2ez

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂Have you checked the contents of the letters to the Asian Churches in The Book of Revelation? It was mostly rebuke for apostasy.

I love that Bart Ehrman calls writing in a false name as it is, forgeries.

@adonai136

Жыл бұрын

Writing in a false name doesn't mean forgery it's a pseudonym. I'm unsure of my stance on the gospels these days but it could be the writer is conveying an oral tradition that was passed down and of course something claiming an apostle or important character name holds power.

@atheistapostate7019

Жыл бұрын

@@adonai136 I suggest reading Bart Ehrman’s “Forged”

@adonai136

Жыл бұрын

@@atheistapostate7019 thank you. I'm familiar with his channel here. I've never read his books

@lawrence1318

Жыл бұрын

"I love IT that Bart ......". You need an object of the verb "love", so you need to insert "it".

@travis1240

11 ай бұрын

How is that not a forgery?

I grew up in a “Campbellite” Church of Christ in the near south. James was a big influence, even with the children’s studies, in that church. The difference between churches in theNorth and where I grew up was a bit of a shock.

@atheistapostate7019

Жыл бұрын

I grew up mainly between the Mormon faith and the Seventh Day Adventist faith, both come from the Reformation movements, and James was more focal than I saw with other faiths

@kimmarauszwski5670

Жыл бұрын

I grew up in that tradition myself, coC. What did you find different from south to north?

@junepatterson7928

Жыл бұрын

I study alone. In the South, Bible Bowl was a big thing. In the North, I wasn’t allowed to participate. The teacher threw me out of the teen class because I knew Jesus had brothers. No, I stopped going to church when I got divorced. The gossip, aka mean lies, were too much. I don’t know if the differences are still like that. It doesn’t even matter anymore. Even I really can’t hold a grudge forever.

@junepatterson7928

Жыл бұрын

Oh, I was twelve when I had to sit with the adults.

@kimmarauszwski5670

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your response. i was raised in a church of Christ in the Chicago suburbs and moved south for my senior year of high school. My experience has been that people are people everywhere. I found the church in the south to be generally more conservative than the congregation i was raised in up north, which can make it feel more controlling, but my last local congregation here was fairly progressive. im sorry you were hurt by it, even if it was a long time ago. i do most of my studying alone now too.

Dr. Michael Heiser's explanation of The Divine Council would be helpful to this discussion.

@DorothyDanso-lt2ez

3 ай бұрын

I keep asking myself why God allowed Michael to leave the game at this time when we so need his fusion of Faith and Scholarship.

@E23Dav

2 ай бұрын

Why ruin an Epistle attributed to James - which is free of soteriology, eschatology, apocolypticism, Christology etc - with Enochic Christianity. That's what is great about the simplicity of James.

@34:26: That's the most unintentionally compelling statement I ever heard that the quest for a historical Jesus is built on a house of cards.

Book worth reading for historical record: JAMES: The brother of Jesus ~ Robert Eisenman

@moesypittounikos

8 ай бұрын

Eisenman is brilliant!

In very deep meditation, we counter the Sky and Clouds of Heaven, and out of one of the beautiful white puffy clouds, comes the Christ, your own Divine Soul. This is what Jesus taught his followers, which is why Saul tried to kill them, but he failed so he turned to deception, that someone would save everyone who 'believed'. That someone would come on a 3D cloud in the physical sky. We can only save ourselves. No one is coming.

@charlescherokeega

Жыл бұрын

You have to remember what Jesus said and that was that Elias would come before the dreadful day of our Fatger and would turn the hearts of the dads to their sons and the hearts of their sons to their Fatgers. Other words this individual is sent like Jesus was sent and carries a similar message to what Jesus taught. He will call out the abomination which makes desolation and cast down the idols of Christianity and it’s immoral traditions and sabbaths. He will call out the Jewish and Christian paedophiles and is in fact already come and is in the world today on his assigned mission from the Father just like Jesus or I should say whom the world calls Jesus. The 7 churches of the apocalypse are following the Pauline doctrine and look at how blasphemous Christianity has become. Jesus/ Yeshuah taught his followers to pray to our Fatger for the truths. Paul diverts us from praying to our Father in Heaven for the answers as long as we follow his dictates and conception of this worldly Jesus. But you’re correct about the second coming because it’s not happening the way many perceive it because Jesus already came and gathered his church. The remnants and todays Christian’s will reject this Elias because he teaches against their traditions. So that’s why the dreadful day of the Lord as the scriptures put it is because His people follows false teachers and persecutes His chosen.

@nasserfirelordarts6574

Жыл бұрын

​@charles rogers huh, well that's very interesting. Pushes me to wonder, what do you think of Islam?

@strappedfatman7858

9 ай бұрын

What energy caused the Big Bang! Later, after the Big Bang, all life came from a dying star! Dying Star! James 4:14 whereas you do not know what your life will be like tomorrow. For you are a mist that appears for a little while and then disappears. Day Star ! 2 Peter 1:19 So we have the prophetic word made more sure, and you are doing well in paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place until day dawns and a daystar rises in your hearts.

@strappedfatman7858

9 ай бұрын

Nero of the Roman Empire worshipped the Sun God Apollo! Even if Jesus did not exist they would follow Sun, Moon, and Star Worship! Revelation 17:17 The Roman Empire allowed Christianity but created a Pagan Jesus. Constantine made Christianity the main religion of Rome, and created Constantinople, which became the most powerful city in the world. Historians link the advent of Christianity to Sol Invictus partly because December 25 marked the so-called Feast of the Unconquered Sun before it became officially recognized as the birthday of Christ. The Winter solstice, alternatively called Yule or Sol Invictus, is a pagan celebration Emperor Aurelian established in 272 CE. Aurelian strengthened the position of the Sun god Sol Invictus as the main divinity of the Roman pantheon. He declared Dec. 25 as the birthdate of the “Invincible Sun” and made the day a feast-day. Deuteronomy 4:19 And when you raise your eyes to the heavens and see the sun and the moon and the stars-all the army of the heavens-do not get seduced and bow down to them and serve them. Jehovah your God has given them to all the peoples under the whole heavens.

@DorothyDanso-lt2ez

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂You found like an acid trip. I pray that you stop it!

Fantastic scholar. He is making history out of fiction. My 2c.

@lawrence1318

Жыл бұрын

He doesn't know what he's talking about, for he doesn't understand spiritual things.

@willempasterkamp862

Жыл бұрын

the other way around

@sacrednavigator5003

Жыл бұрын

@@lawrence1318 Yes - My sense is the same. There appears to be a careful tip toeing around the idea that Paul's Gospel leans towards what we today would refer to as "Gnostic." Paul's Christ is Cosmic in scope - not historic. The Christ he has experienced is Spiritual, not historical. This is core "Gnosticism", as is Paul's imminent end-time eschatology. It has nothing to do with this world (which is why few understand it - just as Paul says.) It is not linear - it is imminent because his "end of the world" was Inwardly experienced, just as his Christ visions were. Paul's Gospel is a Spiritual Gospel "not of the Letter...that killeth." Kills what exactly? Kills the possibility of arriving at a true Spiritual apprehension of his message. Anyway, this the sense that I get, which bears witnesses with my own spiritual journey.

@travis1240

11 ай бұрын

@@lawrence1318 "understanding spiritual things" is another way to put "making things up" or believing someone else when they make things up.

Thank you

Appreciate the brief nod to variety in late judaism, but it's a little short sighted to compare Paul only to the orthodoxy of strictly Mosaic Judaism, i.e., the first five books, minimizing the latter prophets, and excluding the influence of the intertestamental literature altogether. Most of the New Testament could be squarely and comfortably situated in that context, as could other apocalyptic Judaisms, such as the Essenes. The post second Temple rabbis also transformed Judaism, or it wouldn't have survived at all. It's a fair question to ask if there would even have been a Second Temple period if Judaism hadn't evolved to survive the exile.

@Historian212

8 ай бұрын

@kimmarauszwski5670 Your view of the “intertestamental period” and the development of “mosaic Judaism” is incorrect. It wasn’t until the mishnah was compiled, c. 200 CE, that anyone expected everyday Jews to be scrupulous in the way some modern, traditional Jews are. There’s very little known about observances kept by the average Jew prior to that time (vs. the practices of the elites, the priests and Levites who served the Temple). Also, even Jesus spoke of “the law and the prophets” - clearly, they weren’t only reading the five books of Moses. That’s where Jewish wisdom writings - books of ethical teachings like the Wisdom of Solomon - came in, too.

@kimmarauszwski5670

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for your response, but i feel like there's a disconnect here. i was remarking on the great deal of variety in the Judaisms of the time, which, indeed, is evidenced by the literature of say, 400 BCE to 100 CE. Are we not both saying the same thing? My point, as i recall it, from five months ago, was that what developed into Christianity didn't develop in a vacuum, but sprang squarely from developments in the thought world evidenced by that body of literature.

I usually get bashed or ignored when I say there is something up with the book of James. Its intense focus on behavioral legalism is antithetical to the Christianity portrayed in the Pauline letters. I believe that is what Paul is getting at in Galatians, especially chapter 2. Paul is disheartened at the overt jewish legalism present in the ministries of the pillars of the church at Jerusalem.

Absolutely excellent work. Dr. Tabor is really getting close to the source of the whole drama. So good.

Thomas Jefferson was an early American critic of Paul, calling him a "usurper" and worse. It should also be mentioned that history is full of people claiming visions. Over 99% of all of these visions are dismissed as nonsense. That Paul's vision and those of John of Revelations have come down to us as official Christian dogma, I join others doubting 100% of all visions.. The teachings of Jesus to me seem concise and elegant. For me the visions of these others only serve to confuse..

@motown7542

3 ай бұрын

Until you’ve had a vision, you will have doubt. I have had a vision, and there is no doubt.

@frankhoffman3566

3 ай бұрын

@@motown7542 ...Well, it's easy to claim a vision, but much harder to specifically describe one and be subject to questions. Tha ancients had a number of ways to go seek visions. Some went to caves and breathed in too much volcanic gas. Some took extended walks in the desert, subjecting themselves to extreme hunger and thirst. Some went into forests and ate certain mushrooms. A wide variety of methods are known to induce visions and that doesn't even count the many charlatans who claimed visions who never had any. I need only the elegant truth of Jesus' message. For me, visions and miracles are unnecessary. I reject them all.

@motown7542

3 ай бұрын

@frank I didn't seek a vision, and I agree that they're unnecessary. For me, mine was a confirmation of something. And I felt very blessed to have received it

@DorothyDanso-lt2ez

3 ай бұрын

​@@frankhoffman3566Jesus had visions too. At least that's what He claimed, as you would put it. Was He a crazy liar as well?

@frankhoffman3566

3 ай бұрын

@@DorothyDanso-lt2ez ...Great faiths appeal to different people in different ways. I don't need visions or miracles, but you go ahead. I never used the term" crazy" nor any synonym and I have never claimed Jesus of Nazareth a charlatan. I further see the Bible as a collection of many stories with beneficial morals. I do not see it as the inerrant factual history of the universe. There is plenty in the Bible that I don't take literally.

Can someone tells me what Prof Tabor utters at 29:44? He says he's more of a (indiscernible )-oriented person.

I used to think it mattered wether we physically meet Jesus or not. Now I dont believe that has anything to do with knowing him, believing in him or putting our faith in him. I try to remind myself that most people that met Jesus, even after they heard him preach or peform miracles, most of them never believed he was the Messiah! But thank God he reaches out to us and can soften our hearts to die to ourselves and accept him.

@lawsonj39

Жыл бұрын

So "Jesus" is just a psychological projection who can have whatever meaning you subjectively need him to mean. Sounds very Pauline.

@alexpaoli7220

Жыл бұрын

@@lawsonj39 I'm sorry you decided to interpret my comment in this way.

@strappedfatman7858

9 ай бұрын

Matthew 16:20 Then he sternly instructed the disciples not to tell anybody that he was the Christ. The Spirit of Error teaches Jesus is God who came in the flesh. 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. The Spirit of Truth teaches Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Matthew 16:16 Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did. 18 Also, I say to you: You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my congregation, and the gates of the Grave will not overpower it. 19 I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens.” 20 Then he sternly instructed the disciples not to tell anybody that he was the Christ.

@smokydogy

8 ай бұрын

Stay faithful, love you bro

@DorothyDanso-lt2ez

3 ай бұрын

​@@lawsonj39When you understand that Jesus is no longer dead but alive and sitting at the right hand of God The Father everything else falls into place. This Is Our Christian Faith!

If Ya'aqov is any indication of what Yeshua taught, he taught living the Way of the "higher" Torah. Simple

If James told Paul that Torah didn't matter for the gentiles and he himself didn't follow Torah, why then immediately after the council in Jerusalem, where James tells him to teach the gentiles the 4 starter things and then says 'and then they can go and hear the Law of Moses taught in every synagogue in every town every week'? Also, right after that meeting with the elders Paul shows up at his next mission assignment and circumcised Timothy RIGHT AFTER hearing that supposedly it's irrelevant. I can imagine Timothy might be like, 'if this is irrelevant for gentiles I'll take a pass on this one...' but he doesn't he gets circumcised bc it's important.

I am reading the e-text now. I was struck at the beginning of the publication by the chronology. The Execution of Jesus is cited as happening on the year 37. Was this a transcription error not found in the hardcover? This would place the date of crucifixion to some time prior to March of 37 as this time period ushered in Caligula. A new emperor would be sensitive to public relations, early periods can be described as the honeymoon. Does this date jive with the Jewish festival at that date?

@strappedfatman7858

9 ай бұрын

Why is 70 AD important. Why not reset our calendar at Jesus birth. Do you know when the Gentile Times Ended. How did the Magi know Jesus was born as King. But the Roman Empire of King Herod and the Jews did not. They were following the Trinity of sun, moon and star worship. Look at the Sumerian solar system picture. Jesus is the true light ,The Bright Morning Star! Our calendar was reset and counted backwards to have Jerusalem destroyed in 70AD. Jesus shows up at 12 and 30 years old. Why did the Jews think Jesus was almost 50. There is a difference of 20 years. So when did the Gentile Times End. Using bible chronology for 1914 or according to history 1934.

@xxxs8309

4 ай бұрын

Crucifixion was AD 33

@thomasrhodes5013

4 ай бұрын

@@xxxs8309 ...and your comment has to do with the error in publication how? I hope you can tell me what color the sky is soon.

Why the delay in writing the gospels?? Why the first gospel written 40 years after the death of Jesus?

@MCXM111

Жыл бұрын

There were other gospels written before Mark. Those 4 are just the ones preserved by the Church. The rest were destroyed or lost.

@mickeydecurious

Жыл бұрын

​@@MCXM111 Yes it's awful funny that there were earlier gospels than Mark, but yet the church decided not to include them, but to destroy 🤔💭 I think the church did it in order to shuffle The narrative and control the population😢

@shmataboro8634

11 ай бұрын

@concernedparents7081....because that is when Rome decided it would be a good idea to create a new religion as a tool to control the population of their growing empire. Take this little obscure Jewish religious movement, fine tune it to serve the Roman political and social agenda, and spread it out among all the gentiles to maximize the benefits of psychological control. Phase 2: carry it all through Europe and "convert" the peasants by the power of sword and spear. Phase 3: haul it across the sea to the America's ....rinse and repeat.

@renatemocza7195

8 ай бұрын

or censored@@MCXM111

I went to HS with a James Tabor, at a boarding school called CMA. I believe he had a younger brother. It was very close to South Bend. Probably not the same guy, but who knows?

I don't know of any critical scholars who think the Epistle of James was actually written by James. It probably does at least represent Jamesian TEACHING, though, that is teaching untainted by Paul, which is rare in the New Testament. I think James at least gets the closest to Jesus' teachings. Pauline teachings don't reflect them at all. The only Jesus Paul knew or cared about was the one in his own head.

@kennethbrownsher1264

Жыл бұрын

The Ebionites, who seem to have followed James, have been said to show the real teachings of Jesus, before tainted by Paul and John.

@Robert_L_Peters

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@robbielee2148

Жыл бұрын

​@@kennethbrownsher1264 The Ebionites, who''s name means Poor Ones, scholars agree were centered in Jerusalem likely led by James the Just, rejected Paul & the virgin birth along with the entire NT as they had their own Hebrew Gospel.

@kennethbrownsher1264

Жыл бұрын

@@robbielee2148 YES they followed the Real Jesus.

@lawrence1318

Жыл бұрын

@@kennethbrownsher1264 James' teachings are in line with Paul's. It's just that you don't know how to rightly divide the word.

A great interview. I love all this long form content. 😊

James doesn't sound Christian at all? I would have thought he fitted in very well with Paul. James is essentially talking only about living in the spirit of Christ and the Father and fits very well with both Paul and Peter What he is not doing is delving into the nature of our relationship with the Father and Christ as Paul does and also John in a more succinct way. That wasn't the purpose of his two bobs worth, 20 cents worth if your north American. I think that is a very weak argument indeed. James letter is very useful for the purpose for which it is written. It is not a treatise on the meaning of the crucifixion or the resurrection or the life of Christ, it is simply a homily with one view in mind. To explain the process of living by faith.

@fatherintkohoe3286

9 ай бұрын

The book of James was written to rebuke Paul

@wilfredmancy

9 ай бұрын

@@fatherintkohoe3286 If he did it went clean over my nest. Wasted on me. I see absolutely no contradiction or rebuke. To quote Paul 1Thess.1:3 For we remember how you put your faith into practice, how your love made you work so hard.""

I enjoyed the discussion. You are walking a tightrope, Dr. Tabor, a fine line that attracts believers and non-believers alike. What you said rings true. As a believer, so far, my faith has only been bolstered by your lectures. It's no doubt not your objective, but it is what it is:-)

@dissidentfairy4264

Жыл бұрын

Actually, your method is pure genius, the way you balance the two.

@scienceexplains302

Жыл бұрын

@@dissidentfairy4264 I think Tabor would say that it is not his purpose nor contrary to his purpose; he’s not trying to change people’s worldview.

@dissidentfairy4264

Жыл бұрын

@@scienceexplains302 I agree! Maybe I didn't phrase it the way I intended.

@scienceexplains302

Жыл бұрын

@@dissidentfairy4264 It was fine. I didn’t mean to criticize, just to add detail.

@dissidentfairy4264

Жыл бұрын

@@scienceexplains302 I'm glad that you did. I'm a stickler for accuracy:-) I was making a bit of an assumption that perhaps Dr. Tabor's preference might be to lead us away from belief, but he does a phenomenal balancing act which is no doubt why believers and non-believers alike are attracted to him. Thank you for the clarification:-)

Great to hear these two guys again after so long! The last I heard from them was with Michael Skobac "debunking messianic prophecies", which is a wonderful challenge to Christians.

@chuckdeuces911

Жыл бұрын

Why is it a wonderful challenge to Christians? What value does it add to their life or understanding of Christianity?

@psandbergnz

Жыл бұрын

@@chuckdeuces911 , it shows that the NT is a fraud.

@MrSeedi76

Жыл бұрын

​@@chuckdeuces911zero. Some people think that any criticism of anything concerning the Christian faith is a challenge. They seem to not know what it means to know God through Jesus Christ who is the way and the truth. Once you have experienced that, nothing is a challenge whatsoever. Especially not scholars arguing over details.

Are you saying Paul is a fake or authentic??

@mickeydecurious

Жыл бұрын

Fake🤷

@kenneth brownsher...so what? do you suggest early conflicts were not resolved in the early church? surely it was and a unified voice spread the gospel and changed the world

If the influence of Paul on Christianity and specifically how Jesus was viewed is this big can we assume that the apocalypticism of Jesus is actually Paul’s not of Jesus.

It's essential to understand the roots of Christianity before it was co-opted and turned into a political movement by Constatntine scabbing together the writings he wanted into the Bible.

@strappedfatman7858

9 ай бұрын

Nero of the Roman Empire worshipped the Sun God Apollo! Even if Jesus did not exist they would follow Sun, Moon, and Star Worship! Revelation 17:17 The Roman Empire allowed Christianity but created a Pagan Jesus. Constantine made Christianity the main religion of Rome, and created Constantinople, which became the most powerful city in the world. Historians link the advent of Christianity to Sol Invictus partly because December 25 marked the so-called Feast of the Unconquered Sun before it became officially recognized as the birthday of Christ. The Winter solstice, alternatively called Yule or Sol Invictus, is a pagan celebration Emperor Aurelian established in 272 CE. Aurelian strengthened the position of the Sun god Sol Invictus as the main divinity of the Roman pantheon. He declared Dec. 25 as the birthdate of the “Invincible Sun” and made the day a feast-day. Deuteronomy 4:19 And when you raise your eyes to the heavens and see the sun and the moon and the stars-all the army of the heavens-do not get seduced and bow down to them and serve them. Jehovah your God has given them to all the peoples under the whole heavens.

My understanding is that Paul actually had three years of personal tutoring by the risen Yeshua while he was in the Arabian wilderness. I don't think of that as something so outlandish to believe, especially since Paul actually said as much in Galatians. Paul was given his 3 years to learn directly from the Lord Jesus (Galatians 1:11-12, 15-18) "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ...But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by His grace, to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him 8among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: neither did I go up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days."

@mickeydecurious

Жыл бұрын

Well that's what Paul says, but why wouldn't call go to the apostles instead of learning off of alleged spirit? Oh well I see Paul captured you with his cunning.

@Alez_cortez

Жыл бұрын

Lies

@geoattoronto

2 ай бұрын

At that time it would be outrageous to claim authority from a teacher you never physically met, sat under and , therefore, was a disciple of a man. Would you accept it today if I told you that Jesus has been reaching out to Christians for over 100 years and in doing so has corrected much of the church’s teachings including Paul’s.

Somebody got a smoke detector going off in the background hahahaha

Did Paul have conversations with the other Apostles?

@mcgragor1

4 ай бұрын

Yes, Paul and the Apostles agreed, just read the New T. Paul's thrust though was toward the "gentiles", while the other Apostles thrust was to their Jewish brethren, yet seeing that God also granted salvation to the gentiles. The time period between Christ and the destruction of Jerusalem was a mixed bag as many Jews didn't understand that they did not have to keep the law in Christ, where as others thought you had to do both, and others rejected Christ altogether. Once the temple was destroyed, the New Covenant in Christ was no longer hindered by the Old Covenant view, and the rest is history, how Christianity shaped the world.

@maxwellmaxwell3042

4 ай бұрын

@@mcgragor1To be fair, the confusion of whether or not you have to keep the law came from Jesus himself. He was a little self-contradictory on the subject.

@mcgragor1

4 ай бұрын

@@maxwellmaxwell3042 Not in context He wasn't. You have to see that he was contrasting being perfect in keeping the law with believing in Him. We get this clarified further in the letters from Paul etc.

@maxwellmaxwell3042

4 ай бұрын

@@mcgragor1 So your argument is “it doesn’t contradict if you pretend it doesn’t and take the opinion of someone who never met him”? Paul’s assumptions of what Jesus meant were just that-assumptions. Not based on the actual words of Jesus but instead on his personal interpretations of them.

@mcgragor1

4 ай бұрын

@@maxwellmaxwell3042 No that is not what my opinion is lol. Paul had revelation from Jesus, this was backed up by Peter who did see Jesus, so really its a mute point you're trying to make. You sound like you've been watching the nonsense from MythVision.

While I enjoy & have learned much from James Tabor, it is fairly obvious from reading the NT that he cherry picks many passages & then excessively emphasizes the differences between Paul & Jesus as well as his brother James. There are personality differences between these three individuals as you would expect between any three people with strong personalities & character. Dr Tabor fails, as many other experts today in textual criticism, to differentiate between the rhetorical style of a text from its theological substance.

What did Paul really say and what is written is that really from Paul? That is the question.

@onejohn2.26

Жыл бұрын

You can only go by Paul's writings and because of Paul's writings 99.9 percent of Christians will not be saved

@antonius3745

Жыл бұрын

@@onejohn2.26 There are only 7 letters that are seen as genuine of Paul. The Gospels are even later than the real letters of Paul and are also no historical records but a catechesis for the proselytes. c

@mortalkombaty7960

Жыл бұрын

6 out of the 13 letters were not writted by him and and 7 letters are edited letter of Paul . If tou take a legit letter of Paul. Maybe 60% is from him.

@antonius3745

Жыл бұрын

@@mortalkombaty7960 Yes indeed. In the Netherlands, a scholar even came to a very shocking conclusion. They used just a few parts of original letters and composed a total new corpus Paulinum.

@antonius3745

Жыл бұрын

@@mortalkombaty7960 You repeat yrself.

I wonder how anyone can remain a believing Christian with all the scholars pointing out all the contradictions etc. I have no problem with the Torah and it's teachings, that non Jews must keep the Noahide laws to be in accordance with God. Why that's not more popular is puzzling.

@MCXM111

Жыл бұрын

Judaism has more problems than Christianity.

@Robert_L_Peters

Жыл бұрын

Love it!

@lawrence1318

Жыл бұрын

What contradictions?

@mickeydecurious

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand how anyone can stay or Christian and realize that to be a Christian is to violate God's first commandment; that's not to mention the fact that Jesus was killed by the Romans so therefore he couldn't overfilled to his prophecy to be Messiah.

@lawrence1318

Жыл бұрын

@@mickeydecurious There's a lot of thngs you don't understand. And you won't understand them unless you intend to learn and ask serious questions.

If Paul's father was a Jewish convert. Paul displays the Zeal of the convert even before he sees Christ. If he was descended from God-fearers that explains some of his zeal.

@DorothyDanso-lt2ez

3 ай бұрын

Paul's father was not a Jewish convert. Read Philippians chapter 2.

I wonder if anyone knows James personal religious views since he says hes not s christian

@lynnlorencz8127

Жыл бұрын

Read his book: Restoring Abraham’s Faith

I am pretty sure Prof. Tabor is not a self-proclaimed mythicist, but everything in this presentation seems to allow for Carrier's Jesus from Outer Space. It doesn't prove it or anything, but it seems to allow for it.

@dougrobinson6683

Жыл бұрын

And could the Dea Sea Scrolls' Teacher of Righteousness be a prototype or basis for Jesus? I'm surprised scholarship doesn't link these. Has it been tried, but it fails?

Leviticus 16 I believe is about Jesus and Paul.

@mickeydecurious

Жыл бұрын

No Leviticus 16 is talking about what the priests must do in order to prepare and carry out the sacrifice over the Ark of the Covenant... Leviticus 16:8 talks about releasing a goat to Azazel (Evil Spirit) and one to the Lord {God} and this ritual is Yom Kippur with a day of atonement. Nothing to do with Jesus.😊

@ChiliMcFly1

Жыл бұрын

@@mickeydecurious Jesus was the sin sacrifice. Paul was sent to Rome for Azazel.

@mickeydecurious

Жыл бұрын

@@ChiliMcFly1 Yeah okay 🙄

Does "Following James the Brother of Jesus" mean talking about Paul for 46 minutes?

Paul didn't see Jesus? He was struck blind by Jesus, took to the third heaven by Jesus, talked face to face with Jesus. AND put on a mission to bring in the Gentiles unto salvation, and the only price he had to pay to do that was his life.

@Christian-qu8zi

Жыл бұрын

He was successful but he made up a Christian faith which would have truly surprised Jesus.

@lawrence1318

Жыл бұрын

@@Christian-qu8zi What he taught was from Christ and completes the picture.

@MrSeedi76

Жыл бұрын

​@@Christian-qu8zino, he didn't. Have you actually ever read the gospels and compared it to Paul's letters or are you just believing what the latest and greatest experts, copying theologians from the 70's, tell you? Paul taught the same things about love and kindness that Jesus preached. And he solved the problem of including gentiles into what was at first a Jewish sect. He did this in a genius way. It's hard to even understand Paul. I wrote my master thesis about "Romans" and I wasn't able to solve all the problems of the text. Paul didn't think like us. He didn't apply modern logic, and he was a mystic. So people not familiar with mysticism will have a hard time even making sense of his letters. But Paul wasn't the inventor of Christianity and he didn't preach anything that wildly contradicts the gospels.

For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Matthew 12:8 The Lord of the Sabbath Sabbath Exodus 20:9-10 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work,... Is Saturday really sacred? Is sabbath a day of the week, or is sabbath a day of rest? Sabbath is about counting. After you have labored six days, take the seventh day off and stay home. That is how the commandment is written. It says nothing about which day of the week is which. The commandment does not say anything about going to Seventh Day Adventist church on Saturday, or any other church on Sunday. When Jesus told the people they needed to eat his flesh and drink his blood, most of them went away and quit following Him. They did not understand what he was saying. He was speaking spiritually; they were not having the same conversation. When the Pharisees accused Jesus of breaking the sabbath, they were not having the same conversation. When Jesus says He is Lord of the sabbath, He is not talking about a day of the week. He is saying He is the Lord of the rest. Everything that the Old Testament says is a shadow of things to come. Once they are come, there is no more purpose for the shadow. The shadow is a prophetic rehearsal. Jesus is the One who casts the shadow. Once He came He fulfilled it. When it says He fulfilled it, it does not mean He perfectly kept the commands, although He did. Fulfilled means He fulfilled the prophecies. He brought them to pass. Jesus is the Sabbath. He is the rest, which is what sabbath means. When Jesus returns, the millennial kingdom will be the Sabbath rest of the earth. That is what the seventh day represents. It has nothing to do with what day of the week you call the seventh. It is about looking forward to that eternal Sabbath rest. If you make it about a particular day of the week you are doing the exact same thing the Pharisees did. You make man for the sabbath. The sabbath was a gift to man so that we would not work ourselves to death, and work our employees and servants to death. It was given so we could catch our breath and recharge our batteries spiritually, mentally and physically. Once every seven days, take a break. It is not about making a particular day of the week holy. It is about setting apart one day a week to focus on your relationship with God and not be distracted with the worries and labors of life. When you make it about the day, you completely miss the point; it then becomes a form of idolatry. It is not even about which day of the week. It is about one day in seven, take a rest. It is not the day of the week that is holy, it is the rest. Which day is number seven depends on when you start your work week. It does not say anything about going to church or synagogue. It says stay put. Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. Exodus 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. Exodus 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: A New Covenant A covenant is an agreement between two parties. In this case, it is a covenant between God and Israel. As long as both parties abide by the terms of the agreement, the covenant will continue. If either party violates the terms of the agreement, the covenant is broken. Israel broke the terms of the agreement because it was too burdensome. They could not keep it. The new covenant is not burdensome at all. It is easy to keep. Matthew 11:28-30 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. He gives us rest because He is the Lord of rest, or the Lord of the sabbath. When Jesus says "the law," He is talking about the entire word of God from Genesis to Revelation. He is not just talking about the old covenant. He is not just talking about the first five books of the Bible. Torah does not mean just the first five books of the Bible, the way the Jews look at it. Torah is the whole Bible. If the New Testament says the old covenant has vanished away, it has vanished away. That is the law. Jeremiah 31:31-34 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 7:11-12 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

@lonnierandall7882

Жыл бұрын

This is how the law is written on your heart. Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. John 13:14-17 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. 16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them. John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 15:9-12 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Galatians 5:13-16 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 1 John 4:19-21 We love him, because he first loved us. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also. 1 John 3:23-24 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. If you are only looking at it as the Levitical law, you are only thinking carnally. 1 John 5:3-5 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? John 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

@mickeydecurious

Жыл бұрын

Are you using a Hebrew Bible for all them? Where are you using a Christian Bible? I think personally you using a Christian Bible that's why you had to make all these verses to say I want to believe. But all your Christian Bible did was twisting Jewish Bible scripture in order to fit a man-made religion to turn you away from father God and have you worship the image of a man and the son of man just refers to assist a man. I am Lord of the just like you are; for weren't the Sabbath given unto man for the day of rest? And therefore does that not make you the Lord of that day?

Is in apostle the same thing as a disciple

@maxwellmaxwell3042

4 ай бұрын

Apostles are kinda really special disciples. All Apostles are disciples, but not all disciples are Apostles.

Paul's Claim to be told by Jesus.

Yes Paul WAS an enemy of the TRUTH of YESHUA movement but he came along as a believer LATER. I heard nothing on this show nor do I see anything in the NT that leads one to believe that James was not a Hebrew Christian. Again, the epistle is traditionally attributed to James the brother of Jesus (James the Just), and the audience is generally considered to be Jewish Christians. So how does this video that is titled "Following James the Brother of Jesus OUT of Christianity" have anything to do with James of the Book of James LEAVING the faith of Yeshua? It appears to be a misleading title. Please clarify. Reply

@geoattoronto

2 ай бұрын

James, the brother of Jesus and head of the Jewish movement that followed Jesus walked away from a fake Roman and Pauline institution that claims to be the church. We, who think we are Christians have been deeply mislead by Paul and the religion built by the Roman Emperor.

@anthonypanneton923

2 ай бұрын

@@geoattoronto Bravo! Very clearly and concisely stated.

The heavenly Messiah is Melchizedek whose church was established in heaven before Earth

Please pray for me and my children. I’m so discouraged. I’ve had people come against me that do not know me. And say my testimony isn’t real!! But OUR HEAVENLY FATHER KNOWS the truth and my heart! Prayers are all I truly NEED. Jesus hear my prayers. I still trust in you and will keep my faith even though it is so very difficult at this time. I’m constantly faced with hardships and can barely support myself and my two sons after losing my job for declining the vaccine. LIKE MANY OTHERS! I’m a single mom and I’m discouraged. Both of my children are autistic. I am working so please don’t pity me. I’m just not making enough to get by. I know God doesn’t give us more than we can handle I will keep faith even though I truly want to give up. Jesus hear my prayers and keep me and my kids safe. ❤

@willempasterkamp862

Жыл бұрын

hey olive oil, isn't your real name Agrippina maior maybe ?

@mickeydecurious

Жыл бұрын

Maybe Father God would help you if you'd stop playing to another God? I am the Lord thy God and I also have no other gods before Me... Repent and turn back to Father God. I pray he'll keep your family safe✌️💞🙏

Why not get your very own encounter with the Spirit of God? A lot more exciting than reading about all those folks in the bible and then discussing and wondering what they experienced, blah, blah.

@Robert_L_Peters

Жыл бұрын

You mean like Paul, and Joseph Smith? If checking against the bible is the way to verify revelation, then why not just stick with the bible?

@goneprivate2714

Жыл бұрын

@@Robert_L_Peters I meant like how we read the experiences found in the Bible. I can believe Paul's account, even if he did mess stuff up later. Smith likely had a demonic encounter.

@Robert_L_Peters

Жыл бұрын

@@goneprivate2714 I don't understand

@alexpaoli7220

Жыл бұрын

I'll take both: the bible and the personal!!

@goneprivate2714

Жыл бұрын

@@Robert_L_Peters Broad is the way that leads to destruction. Could you change God's mind like the men of Nenevah?

The Book of James never calls Jesus, the Son of God. That's a huge clue for you.

@willempasterkamp862

Жыл бұрын

no human granddad ever will call his grandsom t-S-o-G , can't you see the implications if he did ?

@GizmoFromPizmo

Жыл бұрын

@@willempasterkamp862 - I don't follow the logic? Are you talking about Philip J. Fry being his own grandfather?

@kennethbrownsher1264

Жыл бұрын

BECAUSE HE WAS NOT ACCORDING TO JUDAISM.

@willempasterkamp862

Жыл бұрын

@@GizmoFromPizmo grandson is Nerones aka chrestos

@GizmoFromPizmo

Жыл бұрын

@@brothereric4952 - You don't have to go too far to see this same thing going on today. I had two Jehovah's Witnesses (latter day Gnostics) in my apartment. I said to them, "Jesus is Lord, right?" It was like pulling teeth but one of them grudgingly and reluctantly said, "Yes, Jesus is Lord". The other one never did confess it. You can call yourself (i.e. self-identify as) a Christian and not have anything at all to do with Jesus of Nazareth. James does indeed call Jesus, Lord but is that a good test? And I'm not trying to say that James was out to pass some arbitrary test. That's foolish. I am saying that when you compare the apostles who knew Jesus, who walked with Him, you can see a difference in the reverence paid. The Son of God is a pretty strong endorsement from someone and James doesn't do it in 5 chapters. Peter's epistles make mention of His Sonship. All the other New Testament writers make sure to make this point. James and Jude miss the mark. James was under a lot of political pressure and so I don't want to be too harsh. I'm quite sure his Pharisee leadership would be uncomfortable with him saying that Jesus is the Son of God. It would be like making a Jehovah's Witness say, "Jesus is Lord." They might do it, albeit reluctantly. But I'm not the first one to setup this litmus test. The Apostle John wrote this: 1 John 4:15 - Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. Is that the Holy Spirit telling us something? Is that the Holy Spirit warning us that if someone won't confess the Sonship of the Lord, Jesus then we might want to be careful with the balance of his teaching? I'm certainly connecting dots that might not be there but James' religion is such a mismatch with Paul's that it puts a lot of his other teaching in question. I don't need to mention that James teaches that religion that is pure and undefiled before God and the Father has nothing to do with Jesus. Jas. 1:27 - Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. And one of the most corrosive psychological traps in the New Testament is specified in James 4: Jas. 4:17 - Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. That one has legs that will absolutely destroy you. The "Are you doing enough for God" trap is RAMPANT in fundamentalist circles. James 4:17 supports this psychological trap. I grew up in the churches of Christ and so I know how this verse is abused from the pulpit. The Epistle of James is, at once, beautiful and deadly. It's like the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It looks good. It smells good. But if you go down its path, it can destroy you. Who can be saved from the sin of "Are you doing enough for God?" Nobody. Even the most driven person on earth will be defeated by that sin. There is NO rest in that religion. So I have other issues with the Epistle of James but I found it interesting that he doesn't call Jesus, the Son of God. I mean, he grew up in the same household with Mary and Joseph and Jesus Himself. You'd think that might be something he'd mention in 5 chapters. But he doesn't. Not even in passing.

Remember, you still feel God, no matter that our religions are found wanting. I have prayed for you, that you continue to recognize God in your life.

JAMES IS JESUS IN THIS STORY AY'AM MAYA.

@onnix chaney...see the response to kennth brownsher

What did Jesus say to the Saducees who had ZERO understanding about spiritual things? YOU ERR BECAUSE YOU KNOW NOT THE SCRIPTURES NOR THE POWER OF GOD

Amen. Pauline is the test; deu 13 test.

The idea of a sacrifice of atonement goes back to the beginning; Adam and Eve make coats of wool the first sacrifice at the foundation of the ages, Cain killing Abel; and Seth takes his place; Noah offers a sacrifice; Abraham is told to offer his only son, this theme of Jesus atonement sacrifice was in the heart of the father from the very beginning of the ages.

Jesus went up turnt the Jews away from Father God... Jesus taught to turn back to Father God, by saying the Lord thy God is one and to love the Lord thy God with all your heart with all your soul with all your might with all your mind into love your neighbor as you love yourself. Jesus isn't saying that he's God, and when the spirit from father came upon him It came upon him as a profit, which made him a son of God. Jesus clearly demonstrated this when he taught them how to pray Our Father Who art in Heaven. How could father be in heaven if he was walking the Earth and don't give me any of your schizophrenic crap either. Jesus also further that by saying I am the son of man, he was saying I am a human being. Then when you read the Hebrew Bible which is clearly what Jesus was telling you when he was telling you to read the scriptures, Jesus failed to fulfill the Masonic prophecy, because he was killed by the Romans; thus he never took the mantle of the government upon his shoulder, he never walk to the temple and all nations with menthol room would recognize him as the Messiah, and the most very important thing about it that he didn't fulfill HE BROUGHT PEACE. In fact Jesus said it himself I did not come to bring peace, but came to divide😮 Therefore if he admitted he came to divide and not bring peace and the Mets cionic prophecy says he was to bring peace... 🤔💭 I think the problem is you're going to continue to have Christians going wrap themselves around like they're pretzels in order to validate what they truly want to believe. God gave them get out of hell free card... Though it's been my experience with Father God if he wants you punished he punishes you land, not wait and hold it up till some eternity date, and if he rewards you we were wards you here and now.🤷 BTW Luke wrote the book of Acts and the book of Luke so of course they would coincide😊 Paul said it best in Romans that he came to capture you with his cunning😮 www.bibleref.com/2-Corinthians/12/2-Corinthians-12-16.html But no red flags there😂

Following James out of Pauline Christianity...

@lawrence1318

Жыл бұрын

There's no incongruity between James and Paul. It's just that you don't know how to rightly divide the word.

@ezekielsaltar4728

Жыл бұрын

@@lawrence1318 "rightly dividing the word" for me means deconstruction. Dr. Tabor's book Paul and Jesus was the final nail in the remnants of my Sola Scriptura belief in the New Testatment.

@lawrence1318

Жыл бұрын

@@ezekielsaltar4728 Tabor is not born again, so doesn't understand how to rightly divide the word. He's a maverick on the outside looking in and thus has no idea what he's talking about. Paul's and Jame's epistles are in complete harmony.

@ezekielsaltar4728

Жыл бұрын

@@lawrence1318 "Born again" is a concept that is purported to be one of Jesus' teachings. When you no longer believe that the New Testament is the word of God then you have two options. 1. This is an authentic teaching of Jesus and what did he mean by it. 2. This is a teaching, made up by Paul's supporters to put words in Jesus' mouth, and what do they mean by doing that. So let's take the position that it is an authentic teaching of Jesus, passed down by oral tradition (which the Jews know how to do very well, i.e. Mishna). How do we find meaning in that phrase? I will assume you have seen the movie - The Matrix. What Jesus' was saying to the Rabbi, is that he needed to be born out of the present evil world that he was existing in and into a new one. Just as Neo was taken out of the matrix and entered the new world of Zion. Jesus was pointing out that the world, which included Judaism, was not the one God wanted man to exist in and that the only solution was to be reborn into the new one.

@lawrence1318

Жыл бұрын

@@ezekielsaltar4728 No, Jesus explained that it means to be born of the Spirit. What this means is that one comes into a personal relationship with God via the Holy Spirit, who is also God. When this occurs, the then believer can 'see' the kingdom of God.

You are making a common mistake! There are at least 4 classes of Apostle. For example, you are using the "Apostles of the Lamb" the 12, but there are more than 24 "apostles listed in the New Testament. Wow, what a mess.

I believe Paul was the first born again conversion experience.

It's not Jesus's teachings, it was John the Baptist's teachings also known as James the Just, all Jewish. There is no Jesus the brother of James. Their form of govt was brotherhood, all brothers under Jehovih.

@maxwellmaxwell3042

4 ай бұрын

To back you up, in the First Apocalypse of James, Jesus makes it clear that James isn’t his blood brother

Paul is the false apostle of Revelation. I am the Son of Man (Sumerian: 𒍑, ŋeš; Akkadian "išaru," and "zikaru;" as כָּל־זָכָר בְּאַנְשֵׁי, of Gen 17:23), the Branch (Sum.:𒋛𒊬,simu; as inהִנֵּה־אִישׁ צֶמַח שְׁמוֹ וּמִתַּחְתָּיו יִצְמָח וּבָנָה), the Heir (Sum.:𒌉𒍑, ibila; Akk.: aplu; ABEL) to the Kingdom.

The LORD JESUS CHRIST is ALIVE ask HIM for HIS Wisdom and HIS TRUTH. Paul TOTALLY endorsed the MESSIANIC PROMISES in Orthodox Judaism. The LORD GOD has commanded that HE be Our ONLY Teacher and Father - Matthew 23:8-10. Also read John 17. The LORD JESUS destroyed the works of satan as The PROMISED Messiah. I was led by The LORD GOD to study the MESSIANIC Promises in Orthodox Judaism, which is what The LORD referred to when HE spoke to the Jews about HIS IDENTITY as The MESSIAH. I speak with PROOF of LIVING AN OVERCOMING life with NO FEAR (fear is a satanic spirit that can paralyze those who are ignorant of The TRUTH), healing of my body, protection and unlimited PROVISION as HE promised. I was FILLED with The HOLY SPIRIT with the Evidence of speaking in other languages or Tongues about 25 years ago. The LORD JESUS is The HOLY SPIRIT and HE comes to LIVE IN us so that we are The LIVING TEMPLES of The HOLY SPIRIT - John 14:20, 1Corinthians 3:16, 2Corinthians 6:16-18. christianity is a LYING DECEPTION rooted in pagan sun god worship roman catholicism. The LORD JESUS told me not to touch anything roman catholic. My obedience brought CLARITY and GREAT BLESSINGS - just walking into Blessings All the time, on a daily basis. SPEAK to The LORD JESUS and seek HIS TRUTH - HE is The TRUTH.

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Paul absolutely met Christ. Paul met him post resurrection, and nowhere is anyone condemning Paul's doctrine from any of the Apostles? In fact Paul criticized Peter. Good luck with your doctrines... I really didn't realize how little regard you held the Bible..

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😂 Psalm 119! 🤣

“ 🕊❤️🙏🏻🎉 “ TRUTHS WHAT TRUE BIBLE “ IMPORTANT “ 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Proverbs 3:5-6 Psalms 33:12 John 14:1-26 His Righteousness’s LOVE TRUTHS DISCERNMENT’S AND GOOD COMMON SENSE. EACH New Day Never The Less. 🕊❤️🙏🏻🎉

@jillphilips3788

Жыл бұрын

Never ANY ANSWERS TO THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES OF OUR LIVES 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

@jillphilips3788

Жыл бұрын

Except Our Gift From our Holy Spirit🕊❤️🙏🏻🎉

Paul was confronted by the risen Christ on the road to Damascus.

@lawrence1318

Жыл бұрын

Yes that is correct. It was this to which he was referring when he said He'd seen the Lord.

Paul 👎👎👎

I feel bad for all the people on the comments who have not read and studied the bible properly. The messages are very clear with no contradictions. If you think you found contradiction that means you have misinterperated some verse or taken it out of context. The book of James VERY CLEARLY points to Jesus being Son of God, Christ, messiah, and God manifested in flesh like the whole bible does all throughout from old testament to new testament, there is zero doupt about it and there is no doupt at all that James also believed this. Some people just dont have ears to hear and eyes to see.

@mickeydecurious

Жыл бұрын

Jesus couldn't have been the Jewish Messiah the Romans killed him🤷 The Jewish Messiah is to walk up and reunite the whole world will know he's the Lord right away he will have the government on his shoulders, which means he will be in charge of the government and everybody would recognize him right away as the Messiah. Jesus didn't fulfill that and it says nothing about a prophetic second coming; I'm sorry you really need to read the Hebrew Bible and come back to father and away from worshipping the image of a Man... Which is what Jesus was telling you guys I am the son of man equals I am a man like you 🤷

@Alez_cortez

Жыл бұрын

The book of James does not call Jesus God

@joojotin

Жыл бұрын

@@Alez_cortez want to bet on that?

@Alez_cortez

Жыл бұрын

@@joojotin yes sir

@Alez_cortez

Жыл бұрын

@@joojotin waiting ….

Tabor is fundamental a sloppy thinker. The Beatles of I want to hold your hand is the Beatles of strawberry fields and penny lane. Just as the Beatles expanded so to does doctrine expand to fit THE CAPACITY OF THE PEOPLE. St Paul appears to expand on the basics the gospel writers put forth

@Robert_L_Peters

Жыл бұрын

No no no because the gospels were written after...

But you do realise that You wouldn’t even know Jesus if not for Paul though??!!! What brain level are you guys working at?

When do all of you get that there never was a James! It was Jaakov! The half brother of Yeshua. Kiss good bye to that James nonsens! Finally!

@shmataboro8634

11 ай бұрын

James the brother of Jesus was named after James the King of England. (By James the King of England, not by Mary and Joseph).

@geoattoronto

2 ай бұрын

James was actually the full brother of Jesus.

This is what really pisses me off about atheist there was no man named Jesus walking around at anytime ever

You’re teaching a doctrine of submission and slavery for humanity.

Maybe he did meet Jesus in the flesh and it's just not recorded in the Bible.

@shmataboro8634

11 ай бұрын

@simplifiedlife8607....as much time as Paul spends bragging about his accomplishments if he had ever met Jesus in person I guarantee he'd have mentioned it twice in every letter 😂

@simplifiedlife8607

11 ай бұрын

@@shmataboro8634 He always qualified his "bragging" by crediting God for giving him the power to do things. He also called himself the foremost sinner.

In the Gospels that give the "Great Commission" (Matthew and Mark) Jesus specifically says "Go into all the world", and "Teach all nations". The interviewer doesn't distinguish between the "Limited Commission" and the "Great Commission". Good scholarship. Dude, certainly did his homework on that one. And this is what I find across the board - whether it's James Tabor, Robert Eisenman, or Bart Ehrman - none of them have a firm grasp on the New Testament. But if you want information about some comic book like the Infancy Gospel of James or the Gospel of Thomas, they're all about it. "Great bible scholar" seems to mean, "I've barely read it".

@kennethbrownsher1264

Жыл бұрын

Many say that the Great Commission was a later addition

@kennethbrownsher1264

Жыл бұрын

They do not grasp the NT. 😂

@kennethbrownsher1264

Жыл бұрын

Like the Church adding the Johanine Comma!

@GizmoFromPizmo

Жыл бұрын

@@kennethbrownsher1264 - Many say that the whole New Testament was written by Catholic bishops in the 6th or 7th century. The "they say" authority means almost nothing to me.

@GizmoFromPizmo

Жыл бұрын

@@kennethbrownsher1264 - From what I understand Koine Greek didn't contain a lot of punctuation. It barely contained spaces between words and it was all caps.

James never met Jesus and isn't t-B-o-t-L , namely cuz that is thee other James (the less)

@Robert_L_Peters

Жыл бұрын

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@willempasterkamp862

Жыл бұрын

@@Robert_L_Peters James left christianity Paul left christianity conclusion J = P

@Robert_L_Peters

Жыл бұрын

@@willempasterkamp862 wow

@willempasterkamp862

Жыл бұрын

@@Robert_L_Peters Paul is the Just

@Thor-Orion

7 ай бұрын

James the Less IS James the Just. He and Paul did not get along. At all.

He who denies me before men I will deny before my Father and the angels in heaven.( Jesus)❗

@germanboy14

Жыл бұрын

Following James doesnt mean to reject Jesus and rejecting Paul doesnt mean to reject Jesus. We just want to know what the historical Jesus preached based on James the brother of Jesus who was the head of the apostles

@onejohn2.26

Жыл бұрын

Revelation 2:2 is about Paul

@mortalkombaty7960

Жыл бұрын

​@@onejohn2.26 mark chapter 14. In the Gethsemane garden Jesus was crying like a biatch

@turnfrmsinorhell_jesus

Жыл бұрын

​@@germanboy14 these programmes against the gospel are sold for money here and confusing believers. Stop messing with the bible the Lord's word. Repent and avoid burning in hell

@cabot100

Жыл бұрын

Jesus appears to be a narcissist or some other cluster B personality disorder. “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple” (Luke 14:26).

Let’s follow Peter, James and Jesus out of Arabia to ‘Palestine.’ And follow Paul out of ‘Palestine ‘ to Arabia to get the special parchments- about an ‘Issa ‘ from the lost gospel of Waraqah Ibn Nawfal in Arabia @400 BCE ( the Aramaic source behind the NT gospels). “Who was Jesus?: a Conspiracy in Jerusalem “, Kamal Salibi plus his 3 other bible study books.

@EdwardMcPhail-em2bj

Жыл бұрын

What?

@MrSeedi76

Жыл бұрын

​@@EdwardMcPhail-em2bjconspiracy theories. About as entertaining as reading "The DaVinci Code".

If you throw out all the books of the New Testament then you can say with authority that there was no Christianity in Paul's day. So, just toss out the scriptures and you'll be free to insert whatever "scholarship" you like. Trust me, what James Tabor has is not scholarship, it's bullship.

@kennethbrownsher1264

Жыл бұрын

PAUL INVENTED IT. TARSUS THE HOME OF PAUL ALDO A MAJOR CENTER OF THE MYSTERY RELIGIONS

@kennethbrownsher1264

Жыл бұрын

@@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb And WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK OR KNOW

@kennethbrownsher1264

Жыл бұрын

@@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb Greco-Roman Man God.

@kennethbrownsher1264

Жыл бұрын

@@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb only in your mind!

@Robert_L_Peters

Жыл бұрын

Why do you call them scriptures?

I very much disagree that the gospels were written later. They were written in the decade after Jesus, then Acts, then Paul. Paul mostly wrote from prison after Acts 21. Modern scholars claim the gospels were written later because of Matt24, Luke21 etc. They don't believe in prophecy. They are wrong.

@subcitizen2012

10 ай бұрын

Then go and sin no more. You will be known by your fruits.

In the last and final Testament of God Qur’aan our Creator has cleared all the doubts and disinformation. Dear James Tabor, please study Qur’aan to embrace the truth.

Please SHARE OUR Lord God Christ Yeshua Jesus Said Blessed Are They Who Have Not Seen Yet BELIEVE 🕊❤️🙏🏻🎉 And He Sent Us From The Father Our LORD GOD HIS HOLY SPIRIT🕊❤️🙏🏻🎉

@cabot100

Жыл бұрын

Do you have proof that he really said that?

@jillphilips3788

Жыл бұрын

@@cabot100 God Bless You Read A Bible

@cabot100

Жыл бұрын

@@jillphilips3788 Do you know why most practicing Catholics and many others who consider themselves Christian will not get into Heaven? So you have no proof. Do you know what God does to hypocrites?

@jillphilips3788

Жыл бұрын

@@cabot100 please Share Proverbs 3:5-6 It is The Religious Teachers and Their political Leaders Not The All The Their Peoples . 🕊❤️🙏🏻🎉

@cabot100

Жыл бұрын

If you believe it is the religious teachers and their political leaders who are at fault and not the "peoples" as you phrase it, demonstrates a lack of understanding: 1 John 4:20 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 1 Peter 2:16 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. Galatians 6:3 3 If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves. Jeremiah 23:11 11 “Both prophet and priest are godless; even in my temple I find their wickedness,” declares the LORD. Job 8:13 13 Such is the destiny of all who forget God; so perishes the hope of the godless. Luke 6:46 46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 12:2 2 There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. Mark 7:6 6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Matthew 6:1 1 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. Romans 10:3 3 Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Titus 1:16 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good. Matthew 23:27-28 27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Luke 20:46-47 46 “Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 47 They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely.” James 1:22-23 22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror Matthew 6:16-18 16 “When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

The architect of Christianity is Jesus, not Paul. Without Jesus Paul has nothing. And Paul certainly met Jesus in the flesh, since Jesus physically ascended into heaven. His glorified physical body is still a physical body. And as with the other apostles who Jesus took to Himself to serve Him, Jesus also took Paul as His servant... which makes him no less an apostle than the others. The difference is that the apostles with Jesus at the start were on one side of the resurrection, and Paul was on the other side. The Gospel message is the same on both sides of the Ressurection. Paul did not change anything. What Paul taught was what Jesus intended for him to teach.

@Robert_L_Peters

Жыл бұрын

Read your bible man

@henryschmit3340

Жыл бұрын

@@Robert_L_Peters I have read the Bible for years man... and what I have stated is... in the Bible.

@Robert_L_Peters

Жыл бұрын

@@henryschmit3340 good for you; keep at it. The first 2 sentences of your statement are theology/doctrine, not objectively true. The third sentence is false. What did John and Jesus preach and to whom? What did Paul preach and to whom? Not the same...

Peel didn't write a gospel and Jesus didn't have siblings.

@mickeydecurious

Жыл бұрын

Jesus had siblings, would you stay married to a partner and not have sex😮

James Tabor the apostate