The title and jokes interspersed throughout really make this an entertaining and informative talk. Thank you Dr. Tabor!

James, (Yaqob in Aramaic) is a son from a previous marriage as you say, however, Joseph was polygamous. He had other wives. In fact, the reason Mariam is mentioned in the genealogy is to show which wife the son came from. That is the tradition in the Near East when a woman is mentioned in a genealogy.

Funny thing......before I had internet or any books by Dr. Tabor, Bart Ehrman, Eisenman, etc......I figured out the Beloved Disciple was probably James. It was the only thing that made sense, an actual brother of Jesus becoming head of the family. That is not what my religion teaches but Jesus was a Jew and "Mary ever virgin" doesn't fit into Jewish belief.

@johnbreitmeier3268

2 жыл бұрын

The Beloved disciple was John son of Zebedee. All the early writers agree.

@TheRealDyscyples

6 ай бұрын

Lol James being the “beloved son” is Tabor’s theory. The men you mentioned are scholars but they aren’t the only scholars. You are going to have to study the original languages, history, etc. yourself.

@jillengland3277

3 ай бұрын

James was the head of the Christian church in Jerusalem which is also where the surviving apostles were. Paul was a jewish apostate as said tonight Acts 21, 21 - They have been told about you that you teach all the jews who live among the gentiles and APOSTASY: to turn away from Mosses, not to circumcise their children, not to observe tradition/customs.

26:50 - I love this moment “so your name is Mary TOO?” It is a joke like the gospels according to Mitch Hedberg. “I got SO MAD when they told me there was no Axe of the Apostles! How will Jesus cut down a TREE? It was blockin his view. You do not HAVE to curse the figs when Peter doesn’t leave the Axe of the apostles AT HOME!

@amazinggrace5692

2 жыл бұрын

Still miss his humor.

I’m glad you caught yourself and said Eastern Orthodox, Dr. Tabor. I thought I almost got one on you. But you’re still the master!

As if Da Vinci (or anyone else) was a witness of the 'last supper', the whole premise of the movie/book was too stupid to bother with.

@YenkammaNe

2 жыл бұрын

WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU? By Francois Gautier. Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality. 1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted 2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik 3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak. 4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman. 5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools. 6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it. 7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure ! 8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead. 9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest. 10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion) 11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi. 12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy. 13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic ! 14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship). 15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy 16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan. 17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study ! 18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped. 19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism! "Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family) 20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival. Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year. 21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu. 22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved. 23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu! 24) You know that Hinduism ☺ is a way of life, with considerable freedom. 25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe! 26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint. 27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily) You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu! This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!! There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every directions

Giving your children the same name might be more common than modern folk realise. Julius Caesar’s dad had two sisters both called Julia, and he called his own daughter Julia. The medieval Paston family had two sons called John. In a book about an Irish lifeboat tragedy I read, one family had several daughters all called Mary. They were distinguished by different middle names. It might be that certain names were a strong family tradition or an act of devotion, and with high infant mortality, it was a way of keeping a family name going. The available names were fewer in the past than now.

@richarddemuth7077

8 ай бұрын

Thus, the SECOND Mary (NOT the "Mother of Jesus" but her SISTER) would have had the surname of "SALOME"; as in "Mary Salome", reputed (INcorrectly by the "Gospels") to be the mother of James as well as of John (Mark); the latter of which SHE WAS by Chalafas. JUST AS there was Herod ANTIPATER (father), Herod ANTIPAS, Herod ARCHELAUS, Herod PHILIP (sons), and TWO Herod AGRIPPA (one grandson the other cousin).

Thanks Dr.Tabor Great Content ☺️

Professor Tabor's joke about the "minor" apostles is good, but the BBC doesn't run "commercials" on its channels. It may seem a pedantic point but reminds us how little we may know of cultures that we assume to be similar to our own.

The extraordinary thing about the disciples is how little we know about them. Sure we know a little about Peter but the minor ones are hardly mentioned even in the Bible .Mostly they just disappear from history after the resurrection.. then all you get is 'Tradition Says ...'

@jonathonjubb6626

Жыл бұрын

It's actually extraordinary how little we know about Jesus himself, apart from biased sources written decades after the 'events'...

THIS DOC IS LIKE A : BEGGARS STEW", THROW ANYTHING IN THAT ISN'T ABLE TO GET AWAY !

Thank you.

As someone who does genealogy, you CAN have two brothers marry two sisters and have kids with the same names. I'm not sure how common any of these name were before Jesus...but Christianity really narrowed the naming game for quite a few cultures. French for example, many are named Marie-something or Jean-something. I like the simplicity of combining the two Marys, but I think we need more primary sources. Also, if Simion was a (half) brother of Jesus, wouldn't the writer say that? Do we know if Jewish culture used different words to convey biological family from community family? Maybe Brother and Cousin are not biological terms?

@EvelynElaineSmith

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus (or Joshua) would have been fairly common as would Mary (or Miriam, Moses' sister) & Joseph because they were Torah (Old Testament) names.

@jknick04

Жыл бұрын

@@EvelynElaineSmith Yahshua, Yahushua, yeshua, yoshua

@EvelynElaineSmith

Жыл бұрын

J Knick --Yes, I know that Jesus {or Joshua) is a transliteration of Yeshua. Currently, I'm taking my 5th year of Conversational (Modern) Hebrew Online from the Rosen School of Languages.

@jknick04

Жыл бұрын

@@EvelynElaineSmith I was just pointing out there are many names and translations. Not trying to disrespect anyone. Peace be with you always.

@EvelynElaineSmith

Жыл бұрын

@@jknick04 -- J. Knick, J. Knick, J. Knick, let me explain my answer quick. / I didn't want to offend, but I now must make amends. -- I was sorry if you felt my answers was disrespectful, but I felt I needed to justify why I knew that the transliteration of Jesus in Hebrew or Aramaic is "Yeshua". Blessings unto you; Shalom!

You should see south park's take on the last supper and peter.

The paintings of the last supper are all made by gentiles (predominantly catholic) who know nothing about the Passover. They didn't sit at a table with chairs. That's a western assumption. They were sitting on the floor reclining..perhaps with cushions..because when you eat the Passover meal you recline symbolizing the position of a relaxed "free man". "Slaves" didn't eat that way. All renditions kinda show them slouching (weirdly) while sitting in chairs..its like the artist knew they should be sitting "differently" but made the mistake of assuming that meant it was at one big long high table.

@Adunb78

2 жыл бұрын

Mr. Rapture, you make too much sense. The "table" thing never occurred to me. But, again, this big boy is a carpenter's Son. How about that

@rapturebound197

2 жыл бұрын

@@Adunb78 ty Cobry. This topic seems too trivial to dig into for many ..but getting the setting and atmosphere of the last supper right helps build a better picture in your mind of what it was really like that evening. Matthew 26: 20 says " When evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the Twelve." It does say there was a "table" ..but scripture also tells us they were "reclining"..so a "table" that could accomodate that many was probably not 1 table it was most likely 3 or 4 smaller ones pushed together and they had to be low tables because the diners were basically lounging on the floor. God required all jewish males to show up in Jerusalem for Passover. So that meant Jesus and His disciples had to walk approx 65 miles from the Galilee region to Jerusalem Many jews had come from even further away. And if you lived in Jerusalem you were expected to make room for all these travelers (a million or more) coming in. There were no "hotels" ..maybe a few small "inns" but not nearly enough to accomodate over a million people..so if you lived in Jerusalem it was expected that you open your home for any travelers coming to town. There were 3 feasts (out of the 7 listed in Leviticus) that God required they go to Jerusalem for each year so if you lived in Jerusalem you were very used to having guests come to your home to stay for the duration of that particular feast. Jesus sent some disciples ahead to make the arrangements at someones home and they were given the "upper room". In all probability that same home had guests in every room of the house ..not just the upper room. This "upper room" may have been an actual room upstairs in the house but its most probable the home had a flat roof ..and it was typical for flat roofed homes to have like a covered pergola or patio up on the roof. It was considered a "room" of the home. (This type of home with a flat roof patio on top was built that way for a couple reasons 1) a covered pergola or patio made for extra space to eat or visit for the family living there but it primarily was designed that way to accomodate the celebrating of the feast of Tabernacles (celebrated in the fall and it too was one of the feasts that required all jews make a trip to Jerusalem for...which Jesus did). Sorry for the information overload Cobry. Thanks for listening. See you in heaven my friend. To God be the Glory! Amen ✡✝ .

@Geraldinopauldesouza

2 жыл бұрын

@@Adunb78 there was no table, no carpenter. On what were they reclining? Cobry, you hit the nail on its head. One guy says they sat on chairs, no carpenter. Well they did eat.does it mean no food? Jesus and the apostles partook of the bread and wine. So shall it be; so shall it be written.

@icesphere1205

2 жыл бұрын

10 virgin brides=> 5 foolish, but all knew the teacher of this lesson The lesson of this painting... was an event (before) this supper As all were rebuked by the teacher

If we assign Virgo responsible for half of that V then it fits. Virgo is next to Leo on the Zodiacal belt. So lets take a look. Twelve constellations personified human. What makes it work when put into continual motion, Precession. Axial tilt of the earth ranging 22.5 - 24.5 degrees with a 23.5 degree tilt common. Rotating, revolving and a wobble. So is the V referencing tilt. Next, the Table a long flat horizontal plane, earth's equator and when projected out into the cosmos it becomes the Celestial equator. The movement mentioned and the tilt causes the rise and lowering of that equator as we move thru the Great Wheel, completing renders a Great Year, 25,920 solar years. It has four seasons of 6,480 solar years and of course each season has 3 months of 2,160 years each. Four fixed signs mark the four seasons. Aquarius, Scorpio (often symbolized by the eagle or vulture because of Aguila), Leo and Taurus. Note the artwork showing the four evangelists with their corresponding symbols. Of course Mathew is pinned to Aquarius the face and sometimes body of man with wings, Aquarius begins the Great Year as it ends with Pisces the fish. So below that table of Da Vinci's piece are four table legs although Pillars is more precise. They represent what? The four seasons! Except for Leo all the fixed signs are above and aligned with their pillar. So what's up with Leo. Folks I believe we're looking at a calendar if you will. Note the countenance of Leo, a scowl and he's holding a dagger. Virgo is leaning over his pillar. I think its showing an event probably on an apocalyptic scale 12,960 years ago at the Virgo / Leo juncture. Would not be surprised if its exactly what we see at Giza, Leo with that slightly hinted gracile face. If its not the face of Virgo then its what is across the belt from Leo, Aquarius. Note the angled headdresses of the Egyptian, think of precession above, and at the mid-way point of that Great Year a cyclic disaster, The serpent is always dead center of their headdresses. Wisdom? Knowledge or better yet understanding? Maybe but of what. Why all the unimaginable capital projects in both hemispheres. I'm always reminded of the simple Boy Scout motto because high culture, its cities and institutions are capable of total obliteration in the twinkling of an eye, save a remnant. So of the twelve which is the bridgebuilder (Priest)? What with wings symbolically bridges the seasons, the months the Ages whereby little children (Mankind) is brought out of the last Great Year into the New to rinse and repeat. Ain't but one, Aquarius. Without genealogy because of a cyclic apocalypse at the Pisces / Aquarius cusp and again at the mid mark with Virgo / Leo leaving absolutely nothing but a remnant. The Precession never stops never breaks, it is continual, it has no beginning or end of days, one might say and in fact someone did, a Priest continually. Bridging above and below. Those four pillars and the four corners they form supporting a dome ceiling are interesting as well, especially when you are inside a 16th century church looking up at four symbols and their corresponding avatar. One with book open taking dictation by a winged something doing the dictating.

Humble Yourself before the Lord

What is the name of the special with the disciples? Sounds like a fun series

@willempasterkamp862

Жыл бұрын

peter pan on adventure island, a great disney's including the 'lost boys'.

He'll be reunited with his apostles soon and his John

If you’re going to show Mark 6:3 why not show Jesus response in Mark 6:4 ?

Notice in the Last Supper that DaVinci clearly chose to depict the 'end' of the meal. Well according to the Gospel narrative, that DaVinci would have surely known, Judas had long gone to "betray" Jesus and would not return. - So If Judas is not there then who is the 'twelfth' depicted in this painting?

@Ken_Scaletta

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it's supposed to be the moment when Jesus gives the Judas the sop, indicating he will be the one to betray Jesus. The other disciples are shocked. Then Jesus says, "what you do, do quickly," and Judas splits. The Gospel of Judas says that Jesus was giving Judas an assignment.

@termination9353

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ken_Scaletta there is no one at Jesus 'breast' and there is no bowl of sop in this painted scene.

Playing the God's game is the only way to get the people to toe the line out of FEAR. But then again, in the 1st century AD, humans are still barbaric and the teaching of Jesus is really Godly!

When you enter the material world of Duality we separate and become Two

Who is April? Tabor refers to her in the audience. She's apparently a historian or similar researcher.

@18;00, "Mary Salami" 😂

8:29 - The Gospel of John never refers to Jesus' mother by her first name and does call Jesus the son of Joseph. Interesting.Mary was not called Theotokas, God-bearer (Mother of God) until the 300's and in response to Arianism.

@38:00, Hey! St. Joseph was no slouch either, right? Geometer, Mason, Construction company owner, operator.

Researching my family history, it is quite difficult when 2 brothers, or 2 sisters, each have over half a dozen children, and each name their children using the same names in roughly the same order (maybe differentiated only by male'female birth order!). If Joseph's and Cleophas' wife were not the same Mary, they may still have called their children by same names, but if Joseph, by Mary, begat children in the name of his deceased brother, he could easily have used the same list of boys' names to name his own and his brother's children.

If Jesus was to tell you who He was in front of you in this day and age, would you believe Him?

The guy who popped in suddenly, wearing sandals & A white robe n Roosevelt park n Albuquerque NM, in 83 , who asked us where he can get something to eat , & we escorted the man to the exact place I thru prayer wanted him to see, (st Vincent de Paul mission)&even the priest out of 20 maybe answered the door, when he knocked ! His mouth dropped also , when he first seen him, but he rejected him , & too early for lunch , suddenly , the people in line started throwing apples and oranges out donation boxes at the church , the guy said STOP!! &They all did ,, immediately they opened the lunch door Early , he sat facing me but at the next table over , these 3guys started plotting to mock him , & decided to ask him 3 questions n English, Italian and Spanish , & went over. & That guy answered all 3 questions n there desired language & didn't even take his eyes off me but his style how he sets his hands on the table his the same as that painting , after finishing he stepped outside ,& we went out & followed him around the building ,after the 2corner of the building ,we went following him , he just disappeared ? & There was no place he could've went ? Afterwards one of the guys who's mouth dropped in surprise of him from the park, for hours kept repeating over & over saying he just popped in!? It flipped him out badly tho

Of course that’s Mary Madeline in the painting. Gives a very different meaning to “the disciple who Jesus loved.”

Fair enough... The mission at hand- I call, "Saving God from the church" (United Nations Monasteries)

@icesphere1205

2 жыл бұрын

The Christ prophesied... a (comforter) not a book, not pink haired clowns, not even more prophets A True Church to govern the job of all (religions) ... All religion is, lifting the poor, in spirit=> anything else is not

@icesphere1205

2 жыл бұрын

Kicked to the curbs of Eden, & wrapped in all the skins of Creation=> To use the skins of your own is (beast), as greed of war for envy... The number is many... the 1st was Cain

@icesphere1205

2 жыл бұрын

Religion is a ( job)=> that backs your money ... lifting-up the poor is the safety of nets- religion The works of a Church (serving any proven religion) dictates public support... government

@icesphere1205

2 жыл бұрын

A (true) church affords all nurses are trained- free ... a functioning government affords- more (nurses) become doctors & cure by law=> the disease of pharma

@icesphere1205

2 жыл бұрын

In God We Trust... is only Truth or a flat-out lie=> In God we trick... is the oranges of sin

14:07 Acknowledging that I've studied Jesus/Yeshua's lineage a lot less. I have a question with 3 parts. Part 1, Is it possible that Alpheus/Cophas was a brother to Joseph/Yosef?, and not a brother to Mariam, mother of Yeshua? Part 2, And Cophas died and Joseph/Yosef honored Hebrew law? Part 3, Possibly before he married Mariam mother of Jesus/Yeshua?

WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU? By Francois Gautier. Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality. 1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted 2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik 3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak. 4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman. 5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools. 6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it. 7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure ! 8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead. 9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest. 10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion) 11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi. 12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy. 13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic ! 14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship). 15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy 16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan. 17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study ! 18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped. 19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism! "Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family) 20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival. Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year. 21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu. 22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved. 23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu! 24) You know that Hinduism ☺ is a way of life, with considerable freedom. 25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe! 26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint. 27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily) You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu! This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!! There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every directions

Also, although I think it is more complicated than this, If Clophas was brother to Joseph, then their wives would become sisters when they married Clophas and Joseph, would they not? This appears to be the way 'sister' is used in some parts of Britain for at least several hundred years, so why not Palestine in 100 AD. However, I am inclined to think that whichever of Joseph and Clophas died first, the other was obligated to marry the dead brother's wife and continue the family 'in the name of the brother' : that would mean that if Joseph fathered, by Mary, 3 sons in the name of Clophas, those 3 sons would be sons of Clophas, and of Mary, and of Joseph (and of God, if you believe we are all God's children).

I think I can see that if James was the son of (Joseph) and [the other wife], then to distinguish, Jesus would be the son of (Joseph) and [Mariam], it would make more sense to call him Jesus son of Mary, distinct from James son of the Senior Wife?

12 a-post-ELs/ 12 constellations

It sounds like Salome is the mother of Zebedee's children: Mark 15: 40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome; Matthew 27: 56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s children.

Leonardo was telling us that he was into men.

Maybe Joanna is Mary's sister. Luke 24: 10 It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.

Let us take the cat out of the bag. I see many Jews, most of them scholar, and people of science debating about the NT and many things that according to their scientific knowledge are not real. That is good because I am also a man of science. That said, bring me to the following: What is the scientific opinion of these people of science about the fonder of Judaism, Abraham? Do they consider him to be a mentally ill person, since he heard voices telling him to commit murder? If they say yes to this question, the culture and religious beliefs of Judaism is wrong, and baseless, since the founder was a mental.

Wasn't it the MOTHER of the Sons of Zebedee who asked Jesus if her sons could sit at his right hand, yada yada

Take your Academia too a higher educational spiritual realm , Don't forget Who you are , " teaching " about , Open your mind + Heart too a Higher frequency of Eternal life , Be Respectful , Humble Yourself before Our zlord GOD Almighty Creator of the Heavens and the Earth , wake up too the " $leeping Prophet Edgar Cayce , Time is Short in these Last Days 😊

"FORGOTTEN"????!!!!! They HAVEN'T been "forgotten" for the past TWO MILLENIA!!!

Levitical priesthood... Melchizedek, Priest.King. John Baptist... cousin...

Interesting ,. The 3rd time I attempted & was bold enough 12/22/04 to call out leviathan thru later in time find out my rituals used are exactly the same that Solomon used to conjure demons , & 8hrs after symbol was drawn & material used drawing the symbol was the very same ? As well as enchanting with riddle/ryme in repeatedly in 3 invoke the rain to be sent ,. & 8 hrs later a goldish fog came misting then 72hrs later a 5inch rain storm ,twice previously occured , only in a 3mile radius which even the weather channel found bizarre showing this 1dot n green appearing in the desert , & nothing green for hundreds of miles , ? Anyway , the original reason for out of the blue testing this ritual is even more than strange and another story in it self , return back , on 12/22/04 I performed the ritual , & my buddy Eric & his mom showed up , & both stayed the night (moving away from area)( & were present 8hrs to witness fog mist , & I went out side & it happened ,so I went inside & told him , right in the middle of me awaking Eric ,my tv was on history channel , & suddenly the commentary on TV says do u know what the hell your doing ? Those raindrops are how many angels in legions u have ? U have a direct line to the top of 12 level !! U just don't say anything like two people having coffee & chatting ! My buddy instantly awake & Eric says y is the TV cussing u out ? & His mom says yeah wtf? , Suddenly the TV show goes to a commercial advertising a book Angel & demons , Eric right as b4 he left , asks me what I meant about leviathan ? I said I'm bringing posideon here alot of rain , he said the day b4 the 9.1 earthquake 12/25/04 do u mean a tsunami? I didn't reply , & thinking to myself what the hell is a tsunami? Later on in the day , he said don't listen to that guy on TV , your DNA & DNA off the spear of destiny was used to impregnate your mom , who was married to the man in black director in the FBI ,& is in the FBI story starring James Stewart where he role plays a gun instructor , & talks also , he was a LA field agent then, anyway , then he mentions there moving to LV Nevada , & his uncle currently works at area 51 ? My current car blows up & Odo mileage reads 57777 Christmas day , day later my step dad buys a a car & it has current tags on the windshield from area 51 , nellis air force base ? Wtf ? Actually , 2005 sticker that would allow me to enter the facility , 12/27/04 yet tag of 2005 ? , I guess so close to the 1st idk , Eric was my friend who said he would help me research my nationality , since 2 top medical specialists in there field ,bone &joint specialist, who asked me what my nationality was? Seen all of them but not yours ,foot specialist at NAU college professor ,had me sign a authorization for him to do a study after seeing my Xray , & said my bone structure is b4 Genesis u r non human per SE , , arch is incredibly high , ( I've seen the Xray personally & it's completely different from a standard foot , ) later in time my adopted mother witnessed me numerous occasions and told me to stop making it to rain , then even later in time tells me while telling my step brother per SE , of her multi great grandfather invention becoming classified ,then looks at me and says my situation is 3times more classified then her grandfather's (transition bridges (Autobahn) & Washington, Franklin, Adams plotted the revolution at his house in NC , & my grandfather invented the electromagnetic fog machine , & was classified also , him & Churchill sold idea to the British navy blue fleet in the 40s

@jonathonjubb6626

Жыл бұрын

Nurse, NURSE! He's out of bed again!!

"Mark" KNOWS it but apparently Pro. Tabor DOESN'T: SIMON (of Cyrene) was THE ONE "WHO CARRIED THE CROSS" (at least according toTHREE out of the four "Gospels" ) and HE was rhe FATHER of ALEXANDER and Rufus. 🤨🧐

Yeah, I guess that's right. Three of the disciples are Jesus' brothers - who didn't even believe in Him. John 7:5 - For neither did his brethren believe in him. Am I that smart or is he that far off?

@johnmichaelson9173

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that older brother who says his father is God is always gonna have a problematic relationship with his younger siblings. 🙏

@GizmoFromPizmo

Жыл бұрын

@@johnmichaelson9173 - Well, His mother and adopted father probably reinforced His claim, I would expect. They didn't believe in Him but Mary and Joseph surely did.

Joseph was with Mary at least until Jesus was 12 years old.

Mary ISSA '$ Virgin Mother is a twin soul too Jeshua Immanuel Yuza Yahoshua from the beginning She Also born of a Virgin , Anna

I have two sons named Jesús.

So... Mr. James T... are you an unbeliever in the virgin birth?

Well I don't know about you, but I think Billy Connolly had it sorted out. YT the Crucfixion.

Maybe Mary's sister isn't named, and Mary the wife of Cleophas is not Mary's sister, but someone else. Maybe Salome is Mary's sister and was married to Zebedee. John 19: 25 ¶ Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

Mother Mary and Jeshua were Twin Souls From the Beginning of the world

It was accepted Jesus was conceived by a holy spirit, therefore the high priest must! of been the father none else would be acceptable

Amatuer complexion of latter day

James cannot have been the "beloved disciple" and author of the Gospel of John. The narrative doesn't fit. "For His brethren didn't believe in Him" (John 7:5). Why wouldn't he have written "For we didn't believe in Him"? This guy's making things up for what reason? If the Gospel of John is written by James then so is First John because the author uses the same language as the author of the Gospel. Every gear in this machine clashes and grinds to powder if James was the author of the Gospel According to John. It's amazing what you can learn simply by reading the material.

@michaelwillis5319

2 жыл бұрын

Our gospel of john is compiled of three layers. The earliest is Dionysian, with miracles of abundance. A second layer knows the synoptics and is where the gospel gets its antisemitic passages. The final layer, 2nd century, presents the beloved disciple, and may reflect lost traditions about james.

@michaelwillis5319

2 жыл бұрын

"For his brothers disbelieved" shares the synoptic agenda of minimalizing the jerusalem movement generally, and distancing jesus' kin specifically.

@GizmoFromPizmo

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelwillis5319 - I can't remember which chapter of the bible that explanation comes from. Oh, it's not in the bible, you say? I'll refer you to John 17:17, where Jesus said, "Sanctify them by thy truth. Thy word is truth." Faith cometh by hearing the word of God, not some latter day pretender. Professing themselves to be wise they became fools.

@johnbreitmeier3268

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelwillis5319 Bunk. you have no proof of that slander.

@GizmoFromPizmo

Жыл бұрын

@@johnbreitmeier3268 - I'll just let your own words judge you. My study of God's word is backed by God's word. Your study is loaded with stuff made up centuries later. This thing goes to the one who wants it. If you want it you'll go for it. If you don't then any excuse to discount it will do. I'm a fundamentalist - not a Catholic.

I'm reincarnated james. Your "supplanter" christ

Thomas is jude thaddeus and james twin

Can't forget who never existed.

I'm james

So it all comes dowm to the two thousand year old question: "WHO Jesus DADDY?" 😉

@richarddemuth7077

8 ай бұрын

WHOEVER Jesus' father was, he could only have had ONE!

@richarddemuth7077

8 ай бұрын

"Professor" Tabor NEEDS to EXPAND his knowledge of Christian Church history AT LEAST UP until the time of Constantine. There are indications that IF this was ALL just the result of a CONSPIRACY 😎 there was NO "church" in the "First Christian Century" period, NOR a JESUS who allegedly started it. NOT UNTIL the BEGINNING of the "SECOND".

@jamesbyrne295

3 күн бұрын

I thought it was obvious, it's the father.

God bestowed favor upon Mary. She was a good girl and obeyed God. That obedience also includes one of the 10 commandments that say "Thou shalt not fornicate". The angel confirms the virgin birth between Joseph and Mary. One of the angels told Joseph not to put Mary away and to marry and embrace her as a wife because she is carrying a Holy child with a wonderful mission. One that the world has never seen before a miracle birth. God created man and he can without a doubt place his seed within Mary" s womb with just a thought. Wow Satan loves to help spread the lies about Jesus. Read the scripture the truth is in plain sight. Here is your proof of what the "Good Book" the Holy Bible says Matthew 1:25 but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus. Mr. James Tabor is a wonderful historian but even the very best of historians lack the faith. MATTHEW 1:1-25 Conception and Birth of Jesus 18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit. 19And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man and not wanting to disgrace her, planned to send her away secretly. 20But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21“She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.” 22Now all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet: 23“BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.” 24And Joseph awoke from his sleep and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took Mary as his wife, 25but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.

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This is the way the apostles run, Peter, Andrew, James and John. Matthew next and Thomas too, Philip and Bartholomew. James the less and James the greater, Simon the zealot and Judas the traitor.

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The Family: Jesus son of Alphaeus, the brother of Cleophas, and Mary the sister of Mary Salome the wife of Cleophas James son of Alphaeus and Mary Simon (Peter ?) son of Alphaeus and Mary Judas son of Alphaeus and Mary Joseph son of Alphaeus and Mary Matthew son of Alphaeus from a previous wife Joanna and Susanna the daughters of Alphaeus and Mary John (Mark) the son of Cleophas and and Mary (Salome)

@richarddemuth7077

8 ай бұрын

Tabor SAID it but apparently DIDN'T get it: "Cleophas/Clophas" is "CHaLaF" in Hebrew; rhymes with "ALAF" for "Alphaeus/Alphas" indicating CHALAF and ALAF were BROTHERS, NOT CHALAF and Yosef.

Mainstream tradition, okay. But didn't Jesus and Paul elevate celibacy? Neither were married. Wasn't James unwed, moreover? Oh, AND John the Baptist

Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: to me I believe this means literally he slept with he, he took unto her. we all know that that means in a biblical sense, and modern day as well. 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name joshua. so this means that Joseph and Maryam consieved, and they didn't have sex again until after he was born. her being pregnant an all. so Joseph is the father.

@StinkyParadox

2 жыл бұрын

The word used for 'bidden' is associated with rouse and 'come unto her' could also be said 'to accept'. Obviously you are right if we are to believe Matthew.

@termination9353

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree. (except not named Joshua).

Everyone focused on the men is the problem, it was Mary Magdalene who should of been the focus. Truth in plain sight! Leonardo DaVinci Paintings 🦁If you calculate this year 2022 minus the year the 1st Mona Lisa died 1542=480 years, the same amount of time from Exodus to the rebuild of the new temple in the Bible. The 2nd Mona Lisa is the Mary Magdalene is the Bride of Christ, Queen of Heaven, Ephraim The living spirit of God on earth now as The Mona Lisa 2nd

The painting of the last supper is not the basis of Christian faith. James Tabor claims to be a scholar on God. I tell you he only wants his hearers to applaud him. If you don't know then don't assume. May you be forgiven James (yakov) Taboo!

@Ken_Scaletta

2 жыл бұрын

What does he need to be forgiven for? He never said the Last Supper painting is the basis for Christianity and he doesn't claim to be a "scholar on God." Nothing in your comment makes any sense to me.

@Geraldinopauldesouza

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ken_Scaletta he attacks the basic tenets of the faith. Jesus himself, is his target. He had a human father is what james implies .

@Ken_Scaletta

2 жыл бұрын

@@Geraldinopauldesouza Yeah, Dr. Tabor is a critical scholar and is not a believer. He is a historian, not a theologian. Everything he's saying is well within the mainstream of New Testament scholarship and the historical-critical scholarship of Christian origins. It may surprise you to know it, but the vast majority of New Testament scholars regard the Virgin Birth stories as mythical accretions, not history. It's a late developing tradition found only in Matthew and Luke. It is unknown by Paul, mark or John, the latter two of who both show discomfort with Jesus' parentage and geographical origin. I would recommend a book called "Birth of the Messiah." written by a famous and well-respected New Testament scholar and Catholic Priest named Raymond Brown. "Birth of the Messiah" is considered a seminal work in scholarship on the Nativity narratives and how they should be understood as literary and theological constructions (like parables), not as literal history.

@1badplayer

2 жыл бұрын

Don't get stressed out listening to Jimmy these guys are never a threat to the gospel. The ones we need to contend with are from within our own ranks.

@Geraldinopauldesouza

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ken_Scaletta read the book of Isaiah regarding the virgin birth. I am no catholic nor denominational. So Dan brown , historian can refute it. Was your acclaimed historian tabboo born in the apostolic times? You say it's a later tradition. Matthew was a close follower. Eye witness, Luke was a contemporary of some of the eye witnesses. Ken in a judicial case historians do not testify. Period. Eye witness accounts are basic proofs, and no writers of the Bible disagree on Jesus as being born by a miracle. Paul's or others not mentioning the virgin birth, does not significantly mean they disagree. It was a known truth that they believed, Mary's testimony about her eldest Son Yashua.

Ever met your other half ?

Dan Brown was and is out for $$$ only.

@johnbreitmeier3268

2 жыл бұрын

And so is Tabor.

@mannysspumps9924

Жыл бұрын

@@johnbreitmeier3268 👍

I would like to point out something. My name id Jeff my wife is Jaimie, my sisters name is Jamie and her husband my brother in-law name is Jeff. Any thing is possible including altering names to hide true identities. I believe Jesus married and had 2 children. Her name was always Mary ;) the lineage of Jesus was hidden until he time comes when the Arc of the covenant will appear for all to see. Keep the 10 in your heart.

Jews have Pesach seders at home with our Families.

@gileadjones8471

Жыл бұрын

It was a day early but James Tabor pretty much identifies the Upper Room being that of the house his family owned in Jerusalem. He also identifies a good number of the Apostles as being his family. If Mary Magdelene was his wife he was at home with his family.

Jesus wasn't a Jew he was a Hebrew

Absolute tripe'' ......

"Why would Jesus turn the community over to His brother?" Who said Jesus turned the community over to James? That's something you made up out of your imagination. James took over but after the other apostles abandoned the job, when the money ran out. James was the heir apparent, who seems to have ridden the coat tails of his older Brother to the top of the heap. Under James, priests and pharisees were admitted to the church and this is when it became a defacto sect of Judaism. Now that is indeed found in the bible - in the Acts of the Apostles.

@afaegfsgsdef

2 жыл бұрын

I love the projection... Cognitive dissonance is amazing

@GizmoFromPizmo

2 жыл бұрын

@@afaegfsgsdef - From someone well read in the scriptures or just another Internet troll?

@zamiel3

2 жыл бұрын

Citation needed. Chapter/verse?

@penrythajanitor4644

2 жыл бұрын

not at all, James the Just was the Mebakker, the Bishop of Jerusalem, a respected and holy man in his own right where you get he rode anyone's coat tails I don't know

@GizmoFromPizmo

Жыл бұрын

There was no lack in Acts 4. By Acts 5, Annias and Saphira were put to death for lying to the Holy Ghost, reserving money from the sale of their property and saying they gave it all to the apostles, like Barnabas did. Acts 6, now there is lack. Was it because the apostles didn't like the Hellenistic Jewish widows like those widows thought or was it because of scarcity? Socialism fails every time it's tried and the church is no exception. If the money ran out at the same time the number of people joining the church increased, that makes for a perfect storm. The apostles decided to turn the job over to other men. They "devoted themselves to the word of God and prayer". At the same time this was all going on, priests were joining the church (Acts 6:7). They come into play a little later. Acts 8, Peter travels to Samaria, leaving Jerusalem. The disciples had tarried in Jerusalem as Jesus instructed them to do until they had received power from on high. The power they received was about the same power they had had prior to this during Jesus' ministry. They could cast out devils and healed before this and so they were probably wondering if they were going to receive a power they didn't know anything about. They tarried in Jerusalem that whole time. Acts 8, Peter wanders off. Who knows who else left but we know Peter did. He met Simon the Sorcerer, who offered him money for the ability to give people the miraculous power of the Holy Spirit. This was a temptation to solve the financial crisis brewing in Jerusalem but Peter refused to commoditize the power of God (Catholics and Pentecostals take note). Peter passed the test. As far as we know the rest of the apostles were still in Jerusalem. We know that Steven was killed and Philip wandered off. Both of these men had been put in charge of food distribution. Peter turns up in Joppa and then goes to Caesarea, in Acts 10, where he converts Cornelius and his house. That conversion rocked his world because for the first time, gentiles were speaking in tongues - the miraculous manifestation of the Holy Spirit had fallen upon them. In Acts 11, Peter is back in Jerusalem recounting everything that happened to him in Caesarea. Those in Jerusalem were "of the circumcision". That means more than mere Jews. That means that this Christian church had become a defacto sect of Judaism. The priests who were joining up in Acts 6 changed the culture. Do you think these priests who joined the church gave up their jobs? Maybe so but someone was pressuring the church to be a Jews only club. Peter's story about Cornelius was a major paradigm shift. Acts 11 verifies what I believe is under the text so far. The money had run out. The last couple verses of Acts 11 say it out loud. The Jerusalem church is broke - out of funds. Acts 11:29-30 - Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea: 30 Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul. The Apostle James is killed in Acts 12. This eliminates the possibility that the James referred to in the subsequent chapters is the brother of John. This James was killed by Herod. Was this the same Herod who Pilate consulted? If so then Herod is out of his jurisdiction or else the apostles were now in Galilee. I haven't studied that part much. There does seem to be some indication of this because the last verse says that Paul and Barnabas returned FROM Jerusalem. So these folks were not in Jerusalem at the time. All signs point to Galilee. By Acts 15 now James is the top dog and giving his "sentence" on the matter of gentiles remaining uncircumcised. James himself talks about Peter's conversion of Cornelius and his household as if he'd heard that account first hand. James probably was there in Acts 11 when Peter was telling the story. But whether he was or not, Acts 15 is where the curtain is fully lifted on the brother of Jesus. Paul verifies this by his account given in the Book of Galatians. Piecing these two accounts together is a little tricky but it can be done. So we can only guess but knowing people and seeing the situation on the ground (as reported by Luke) the church at Jerusalem was a mess. It was so bad the apostles fled the scene. Whether that was a good thing or a bad thing is for God to judge but it happened. James (it seems to me) was kind of the last man standing. They probably offered him the job and he took it. I call it "riding the coat tails of Jesus" but it could have been an organic adoption. I know that if the brother of Jesus was a candidate for head honcho of my church, I don't know if I'd object to that. It probably was not a democratic process but the apostles were done with that mess. James didn't do it for the money. There was no money. Did he do it for the prestige? Who knows? He had the prestige, though, as Paul points out in Galatians. Both Peter and James were "pillars of the church". So it's a judgment on my part, I'll admit but it meshes with what I've read and studied now for many years.

ALL religion is mythology!! Simple people. Grow up!

There is NO way that the brothers of Jesus were among the 12 disciples who were with him in ministry for 3 years. In Mark 3 the 12 disciples are listed in v 14-19. Then in v 21 and v 31-35 Jesus' brothers were mentioned as coming with Mary to take him home and Jesus refuses to see them. If his brothers were of the 12 they would already be inside. Tabor knows this and is simply lying. If the "brothers" were sons of Clophus, not Joseph, and Mary, the oldest, James, could be no older than 17, since Joseph was still alive when Jesus was 12. Even if Joe croaked the day after passover there would be some mourning , a wedding and a 9 month pregnancy. Jesus is 30 when he begins his ministry. 30-12 =18 - a year for pregnancy and wedding. The other boys could be no older then than 16, 15, and 14. Tabor is just making stuff up. Teen age kids were not in the disciples.

@CPATuttle

Жыл бұрын

There’s zero writings inside and outside the Bible in early Christianity differentiating those 3 brothers from apostles. No writings of those apostles. Instead Heggesipius, Papias, in the beginning in the second century and Hippolytus in the end of the second century say those brothers are the sons of Clopus and his wife Mary. And Hippolytus death of James son of Alpheus matches Josephus death. Eusebius the great 4th century historian affirms these writings. And says there’s 2 James. Son of Zebedee and the brother. Both died in Jerusalem. Says nothing about a separate 3 apostles. Only talks about the 3 brothers.

@johnbreitmeier3268

Жыл бұрын

@@CPATuttle Now for a CPA you are a pretty bad liar. I Just gave you definitive proof that Jesus' brothers can NOT be among the 12 apostles. Superman and Clark Kent cannot be in the same place at the same time because THEY are the same person. The brothers of Jesus were with Mary Outside the house at the same time as the apostles were inside with Jesus. They cannot be 2 places at once. So you and Eusebius are liars and not very bright. Eusebius was writing 300 years after the fact so his accounts and guesses are useless as evidence. It would be like you writing an account of who were the the founding father's aides at the signing of the Declaration of Independence based on a few schoolbooks from the Civil war era. Mark 3: 31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him. 32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. 33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? 34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. The disciples were already with Jesus. Look above in the same chapter.

@chrisbirmingham5132

11 ай бұрын

The idea that Jesus's disciples could not have been brothers of his aged 14 or 15 seems strange. If they hadn't been with him, they would certainly have been working by that age: early Galileans had no conception of "being a teenager".

@johnbreitmeier3268

11 ай бұрын

@@chrisbirmingham5132 Look you are either very stupid or you are being deliberately dishonest and disingenuous. Yes the age of the brothers of Jesus IF they were sons of Cleopas and not Joseph is by far the weaker of the two arguments I made as to why the brothers were NOT among the 12 disciples of Jesus. BUT it is also the by far the less important one, as you well know. You failed to address the fact that the Bible accounts in the gospels of Matthew, Mark and John plainly say that Jesus’ brothers or even cousins if you like, were NOT among the 12 apostles at any point of his ministry. That fact is independent of WHO the men' father was or HOW old they were. 1) As I already said in my comments, Mark 6 makes it clear that when Mary and Jesus’ brothers came to see him and asked to be let in the house, the disciples were already inside with Jesus. Verses 14-19 list the disciples by name. It is James the son of Alphaeus , Thaddeus (or Jude) and Simon the Canaanite who Tabor would say were Jesus brothers/cousins, but the text does not mention this at all. See verse 18. In verse 18 it clearly says that they all go into a house. Then 3 groups show up to yell at Jesus. a) His friends from Nazareth who say he is crazy and needs to be taken away. (v 21) b) some Pharisee scribes or rabbis that say Jesus has a demon 9 v. 22-30) and finally c) in v 31 his brothers and mother show up to see him and presumably take him home like his “friends.” Jesus denies them entry but all the disciples are already inside! How dumb do you have to be to think that James and Simon and Judah can be 2 places at once?! 2) Matthew 13:53-57 The people at Nazareth reject Jesus as being the Messiah since" 55 Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? 56 And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?” IF James and Judah and Simon are disciples why do the men say that they and their sisters and their mother still all live right there in Nazareth??? The disciples went all over the country with Jesus. 3) John 2: 12 states plainly that Jesus’ brothers were a different group from his disciples. “12 After this He went down to Capernaum, He, His mother, His brothers, and His disciples; and they did not stay there many days.” 4) In John 7:1-10, Jesus’ brothers openly call him a coward for avoiding Judea where the rabbis had put out a “hit” contract on him (v1). Verse 5 says clearly that none of his 4 brothers believed in Jesus during his ministry. Read it and repent of this foolish lie. 5)In Acts 1:13-14 Luke lists the disciples all by name and then in verse 14 says Jesus’ brothers were a separate group with Mary, NOT the 12. Also, among the 12 there were 3 sets of brothers mentioned explicitly in the Gospels (James and John, Peter and Andrew, and James and Judas). There were also 2 Simon’s, two James’ and 2 Judas’ - out of 12 people! These were very common names. Having 3 of Jesus’ brothers share names with the 12 is NOT surprising. Also IF James and Simon and Judas among the 12 are Jesus’ brothers why 1) does Luke not just say so and WHY does Luke in Acts 1:13 ID James and Judas as brothers but NOT Simon??? Get a clue. Oh, on the age of the brothers IF they were sons of Mary by a SECOND marriage to Cleopas or Alphaeus -- Joseph has to die first. the SOONEST Joeseph could die was when Jesus was 12. The Only traditional age I could find anywhere for Joseph's death was when Jesus was 21 in a 4th century Coptic tradition. That would mean that James, the oldest, could be no more than 8 years old when Jesus started his ministry IF that was true. I would not put much stock in that though since it had Joseph at age 90 marrying Mary at age 12 and dying at 111. If that was the case, Nazareth would certainly NOT have remembered Joseph as the carpenter but rather as the cradle robber or the lucky old stiff. Not much chance that is true either.