I remember Bart Ehrman saying that by trying to harmonize the four gospels, the result is the creation of a fifth gospel. It's like writing a new book using the four gospels as source materials plus your own interpretation of each of those materials. 😅

42:54 - all about how my life got flipped, turned upside down

Many thanks for making this important lecture available. Tabor's premise is solid. Each evangelist has a different agendum to advance, and their gospels cannot be harmonized without doing violence to the meaning of each. It inspires me to respect the integrity of each as a separate study project in order to gain a more comprehensive understanding of Jesus and his teachings (as well as their effect on peoples of the first and second centuries CE). Tabor's approach is to drink deeply from the Pierian spring because the "shallow drafts" Christians are getting in their various churches really are more intoxicating than illuminating.

Personally I enjoy talking about the textual variants with people, but I find that it's very upsetting to many people that identify as Christian. They see it as an attack on the bible and their faith, but the fact is that textual variants do exist. For me they are not an attack on my God given faith, but they actually enhance my faith because many of the variants that were not spelling or grammatical errors were additions by people down through the last 2000 years hoping to 'help', or clarify things in the bible and assert their own theological ideas. For me those variants have always stuck out of the bible like a sore thumb, they simply don't fit and are contrary to the tapestry that the bible creates for the believers. Finding out that those things didn't exist in earlier texts is a great comfort and increases the theological continuity of the bible asserting even more to me that the bible is in fact the Word of God. Pretending that these things don't exist, as well as the things that James Tabor discusses regarding the differences in the Gospels never helps the case of the deniers and gives the critics of faith more ammunition. I believe it's far better for the God given holder of faith to embrace these things. I assure you that it will only increase the faith, not reduce it. What it teaches as that there is a very specific design by God in how the bible is put together and without God given faith, the book will supply to the non believer everything they need to discard it. In other words it requires the work of the Holy Spirit in a person along with God's words to make the believer and NOT simply the evidence shown in the bible alone to allow a person to come to belief by logic, testimony alone.

The miracle that is in plain sight is the fact that these controversial sayings of Jesus have not yet been edited out of the gospels.

Dr. Tabor - - I'm glad that you're hitting major, controversial issues head-on, "with no holds barred."

This video reminded me that I haven't seen much of the scholars talk about this one, but when Jesus is asked in the Mark 8;11-13 to show a sign, Luke's author expands on this account in 11;29-32 and add the sign of Jonah that is more than Solomon and Jonah. But guess what Matthew does? In this fanny gospel, it has both versions of these two passages, one short in 16;1-4 and one long in 12;38-42. It may be really possible that Luke was written before Matthew even if it is against the accepted and established consensus.

I learn so much from Dr. Tabor. He always breaks things down to an easily understandable level.

Thank you both very much for your time and effort in creating this presentation and sharing all the knowledge and perspective provided in it. Much appreciated.

Ehrman's adoptionistic reading of Luke (without the 1st three chapters i.e. Marcion's version may have been a copy of the earliest, that is, without the birth narrative i.e. Jesus, for Marcion, was a phantom [not born] - hence the interpolation of Jesus sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane to emphasize his mortality) remains to be one of his best takes imo.

Eusebius church history V 13. We will add from the same writer some other extracts concerning them, which run as follows: They have treated the Divine Scriptures recklessly and without fear. They have set aside the rule of ancient faith; and Christ they have not known. They do not endeavor to learn what the Divine Scriptures declare, but strive laboriously after any form of syllogism which may be devised to sustain their impiety. And if any one brings before them a passage of Divine Scripture, they see whether a conjunctive or disjunctive form of syllogism can be made from it. 14. And as being of the earth and speaking of the earth, and as ignorant of him who comes from above, they forsake the holy writings of God to devote themselves to geometry. Euclid is laboriously measured by some of them; and Aristotle and Theophrastus are admired; and Galen, perhaps, by some is even worshipped. 15. But that those who use the arts of unbelievers for their heretical opinions and adulterate the simple faith of the Divine Scriptures by the craft of the godless, are far from the faith, what need is there to say? Therefore they have laid their hands boldly upon the Divine Scriptures, alleging that they have corrected them. 16. That I am not speaking falsely of them in this matter, whoever wishes may learn. For if any one will collect their respective copies, and compare them one with another, he will find that they differ greatly. 17. Those of Asclepiades, for example, do not agree with those of Theodotus. And many of these can be obtained, because their disciples have assiduously written the corrections, as they call them, that is the corruptions, of each of them. Again, those of Hermophilus do not agree with these, and those of Apollonides are not consistent with themselves. For you can compare those prepared by them at an earlier date with those which they corrupted later, and you will find them widely different

@karenhess342

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🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

@danielmook

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What's your point in quoting Eusebius?

@komaichan99

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@@danielmook he knew what is true or false. he quoted the document ironically

Thank you for all of the work both of you do in putting these Biblical studies online. Regarding the readings of the Harvesting on Sabath, all texted, Tabor and other Biblical scholars throughout the ages only address the issue of the Shabbat. They faith to address whose field are they harvesting in, the outer limits of the field could be harvest by travelers in need, but why are grown men, capable of work, taking the food that could be given to the very poor, widows, orphans...And with all of the food miracles attributed to Jesus, why not just save a little food from the day before and create more?...In several of these sayings you are discussing, one could see where Jesus was behaving like a self righteous, he doesn't know the law, smart ass. There was a lot of angery younger men in this movement, not that there weren't things for them to be angry about

I just heard about the Transparent English Bible (TEB) while reading some of the articles on your blog. I'm aware of the Book of Genesis translation is already available. When will the full TEB bible, Genesis to Revelation, be available?

@ChopinIsMyBestFriend

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I second this. Also you would be glad to buy the Genesis translation. It’s really beautiful.

@ChopinIsMyBestFriend

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Of course the Old and New testament would have to be two different texts. His Genesis translation is based completely on the Leningrad Codex.

For the Delian divers who dare (or should I say "care"?) to plunge the depths or "go deep" - some good reference material (thanks Professor): American Bible Society Synopsis of the Four Gospels, Revised Standard Version Burton H. Throckmorton Jr. Gospel Parallels, A Comparison of the Synoptic Gospels: New Revised Standard Version Gospel Parallels by Throckmorton, Burton H. (1993) Hardcover Burton H. (ed) Throckmorton Gospel parallels: a synopsis of the first three Gospels

Thank you

This is very good

Regarding mark leaving out a reference to Malachi, I wonder if he is purposefully leaving it to the reader to connect the dots, just as he also leaves it to the reader to take action at the end of his book?

@NHNEU1111

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I didn’t watch the whole video but it appears Dr Tabor left out the fact that some translations do not contain the reference to Isaiah in Mark 1:2. Here is the YLT Mark 1:2 - As it hath been written in the prophets, 'Lo, I send My messenger before thy face, who shall prepare thy way before thee,' --

@mattandkim17

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@@NHNEU1111 which version do you think a scribe would be more likely to change?

@ItsJustAdrean

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@@mattandkim17 To be clear, are you implying "prepare the way" is a more likely insertion than deletion?

@mattandkim17

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@@ItsJustAdrean No, I'm sorry, I wonder if Mark purposefully did not mention Malachi when he said "as it is written in the Prophet Isaiah".

@mattandkim17

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@@ItsJustAdrean No, I'm sorry. When Mark said "as it is written in the book of Isaiah," I wonder if Mark purposefully did not mention Malachi, even though he did quote him.

I use the Gospel of Thomas as the fifth Gospel. And even symbolically that is an interesting position. Meaning if the four Gospels are the four directions. Then there is a center position which is YOU. And the Gospel of Thomas is saying the Kingdom of Heaven is right there where you stand. I also like Robert Moore’s idea of lover, warrior, magician, king. I don’t know if you can accurately use his scheme onto the four Gospels, but it might be pretty close: The Magician: Mark The King: John The Lover: Luke The Warrior: Matthew

@HistoryandReviews

11 ай бұрын

Awful titles

Thank you professor for yet another great presentation. I used to read books only to get the stories presented by the authors (in addition to WISDOM in life). Your presentation teaches me to read books to get the “authors”. This added layer certainly gives reading another layer of fun. Thanks so much again!

What of "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ" by Levi? Does it have any value. His understandings seem important though not at odds with the common Gospels in the Bible, I would think.

Please tell me who is Donza?

It has always been amazing to me that when the Roman Empire decided to co-opt the Christian movement they didn't actually try to consolidate all the gospels into one story. That the 4 gospels (at least 4) remain separate and distinct is part of the reason they remain compelling, because you can't put Jesus in a box, he remains a paradoxical figure.

I need to make my computer screen bigger : If I water it. will that make it grow ? ;-) great explanation again, much more detailed than school, thankyou.

gee, wish those parallelized gospels books would also include Gospel of Thomas for where its logian have parallels with the Synoptics. But in certain corners there would be a hissy fit if they did that.

Really appreciate Dr Tabor, even though I am a believer. God bless!

Thank you. I ordered the throckmorton a few months back when I saw this video on Derek's channel

These two are my favorites!!❤

Please Share Matthews on the video is not all there to be Viewed ???!

Just the kind of stuff to know.

I wonder how The Gospel of Thomas compares with The Q source?

Extremely interesting!🙋 Always enjoyed History! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

You mentioned someone name “Dom”. Curious who that is. Thanks!

@erichodge567

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That would be John Dominic Crossan, another noted New Testament scholar.

@jimtussing

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@@erichodge567 Thank you Eric!

@jimtussing

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Ok. Another “Dom” question. :) They mentioned a specific “Dom Live” episode. I can’t find anything online that looks like a recent live discussion with him. Does anyone have a link to the specific video / podcast / whatever they were referring to? Thanks very much!

@JamesTaborVideos

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Here you go Jim...just happened to see this among hundreds of comments that come in every day on my channel. Glad to help here! jamestabor.com/john-dominic-crossan-dont-miss-this-interview/

@jimtussing

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@@JamesTaborVideos thank you sir. I love what you do!

It makes sense that Mark has a private revelation to Jesus of his divine sonship as it follows the theme of the secret in Mark. Matthew that foretells the church and the great commission needs a public proclamation of Jesus' status. I guess this also parallels Matthew's mini apocalypse and Mark's quiet ending.

Now I'm at one hour damn Google speech-to-text sucks

Kant can give you a good reason you should never lie even in the case of Anne Frank. And, by the way Anne Frank survives using Kant's reasoning.

Jesus is into rock and roll, modern art, and highly advanced weapons. I myself enjoy the Bauhaus.

Theoretically, you could use a primary source to use to jog memories from other first hand accounts.

I don’t think he’s talking about hate and hating your family but “ If you don’t suffer” you can’t follow me. If you suffer or struggle in anyway then find me.

At one hour mark, how a Christian would attempt to harmonize either a righteous scribe or a lawyer asking Jesus which is the greatest commandment, it could be two separate situations. It isn’t as likely since the language is so similar, so it is more likely copied and edited. But that is how a Christian would answer. Escape artists those Christians!

Harmonization is destruction.

I hear you get paid on comments too so I'll leave some cuz I really appreciate your channel

I went to see a Portuguese Evangelic translation Almeida Corrigida e Fiel and they simply substitute Isiah in Mark 1:2 by the Prophets Princípio do Evangelho de Jesus Cristo, Filho de Deus; 2 Como está escrito nos profetas: Eis que eu envio o meu anjo ante a tua face, o qual preparará o teu caminho diante de ti. This is curious because in the NVI also in Portuguese says Isahia The conclusions are on you For me is mind blowing Tx you Professor Tabor

According to Martin the young man in Mark in the tomb is Mark.

@chrisfollett9161

11 ай бұрын

I wonder if the Scribe is Mark. Since he was the only one in the entire book that "got it"

Love Tabor but that MythVision boy is a coward for the way he treated Bob Price.

Justin tried to do that in the 150s AD and he failed

This presentation is insane!!!!!!!!

Anything that destroys the filth and evil false hoods that is called the gospels can only be a good thing.

Man! That’s deep 🤔

Can anyone tell me what is meant by the term "Christian apologist", in this context? Thank you.

@bobSeigar

9 ай бұрын

Christian Apologist = Christian Defender

I'm Jewish; baptised as a babe in a Roman Catholic Church. It's all oK. Jesus told me so.

Correalation bias is something that makes some of our textual critisms just as bad as scripture to scripture in theology. We really are quntativly bad at this type of stuff. Fun to explore and hypothesize but pardaolia of the mind and words are so subjective. It reads just like a court room to me. Even a history of science critique where one generation is critiquing the next. Of a court room of mark only has access to certain eye wintmesses then later in a courtroom the judge begins to gather testimony that even a plaintiff or defender would even realize exist. Very few are at ever event or location to know who was or wasn't. Then of course the Woodstock concert problem where to some the experience was grand to others one big rainy mud pit then weeks and months later when they weight and measure the event they realize it was a generational changing event. Then luke appears to be that following generation who very curious about all these mature testimony that have been gathered from all places and have become shared far and wide. Or at leas as far as demasicus if he indead is from there.

When Parables are solved then it wasn't very deep reasoned by reasons repeating various cause the mind state very addictive and always leavened by thought called flesh greatest theories thought new. I do agree with Dr Joseph Murphy - All The World Believes A Lie

I'm at 44 minutes the man being dropped in to the room. That sounds like a magician in front of a crowd having a man dropped through the roof so he can be magically healed. It's a show or a play it's not real

1:11:59 "Because chances are they're going to read something like, 'they all forsook him and fled,' and you'll be like... MARK!" Mark 14:50 And they all forsook him, and fled. Matthew 26:56 Then _all the disciples_ forsook him, and fled.

At first it was Superman for $0.10 or Batman for $0.10 now they've combined them and called them The Justice League. That's how I think of the Bible it's just stories and characters it's not real Superman has metropolitan City that sure looks like New York City

Everything you have here is compatible with Q. But that's not because Q has such a rock-solid case; it's because Q is unfalsifiable. If we assume there was no Q document, then this is all excellent evidence for Matthean Posteriority. In almost all or all cases presented here, if Luke were copying Matthew (Farrer), he'd need to do a lot of backpedaling and reversion to Matthew in both double and triple tradition material.

This is reminiscent of the students of Socrates seeing him differently: Xenephon and Plato describe him differently. Biographers tend to vary according to memory and interpretation (faulty or not).

@EXISTENCE1891

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The four Gospels are like the four photos that walk in/walk out photo booths take. Front, two sides and sometimes back (as in police files). They are obviously the same person but you could also say they are completely different and 'contradict' each other

Thanks to Tabor’s ‘Paul & Jesus’ book I finally can understand Paul’s letters. I used to ignore them as being incomprehensible. Actually, James’s work boosted my faith in Jesus and resurrection.; it seems more intellectually digestible. I think if Tabor ever meets Jesus, he’ll see him for who he is.

@HistoryandReviews

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A prophet and that is it

@Arbognire

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@@HistoryandReviews …he is the virgin’s son, the promised 1: the Messiah.

@Eli08ish

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@@Arbognire LOL

The whole relationship with Jesus is deeply personal not to be advertised; especially while we're jamming out to The Stranglers.

Each gospel represents each of the four humors so are meant to be very different.

Isn’t it the Sadducee’s that believe that there’s no rewards for doing God’s will ? That’s why they are so sad u see.

Of course, there's nothing new there. Just as there is only one Jesus Christ, there is only one Good News/Gospel.

But David was a priest. Everyone saved through christ is a priest after the order of Melchizedek.

37:00 yes, this is a particularly interesting one since it also appears in the gospel of Thomas. I wrote a song, in fact, using selected sayings of Jesus found in the gospel of Thomas, and most of them are also to be found in gLuke. I haven't yet tracked where all the sayings in my song can be found in gMark and gMatt yet, but it's on my list. And here's that song fyi: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4V9wbWYe9LgqZc.html

The soldiers took a direct route to Golgotha, going out the North Gate out on the Damascus Road and straight to the crucifixion site Jesus only carried the crossbeam, but he had no food or water since the Last Supper at the home of Elijah Mark, John Mark’s father, and with the loss of much blood, he collapsed. The soldiers started kicking and shouting at him, but the Captain having known what Jesus had gone thru told them to desist. He picked Simon of Cyrene walking by to carry his crossbeam the rest of the way. Simon lingered throughout the hours of the Master’s death talking to both believers of Jesus and his enemies. After attending the Passover with other Cyrenians and returning back home, his entire family became ardent believers in the Gospel of Jesus. While they nailed him to the crossbeam, his only words were-“Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.” Even after being tortured and nailed to the cross, Jesus was not thinking about himself, but for others. He could not have so mercifully and lovingly interceded for his executioners, if such thoughts of affectionate devotion had not been the mainspring of his entire life. He had even told his women-believers who wailed and lamented as Jesus walked to his death to turn away. As some risked walking along with him, he turned his head and told them-“Daughter’s of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but rather weep for yourselves and your children. My work is about done-soon I go to my Father-the times of terrible trouble for Jerusalem are just beginning. Behold, the days are coming in which you shall say: Blessed are the barren and those who have never suckled. In those days will you pray, the rocks on the hills will fall on you, in order you may be delivered from the terrors of your troubles.” These women were indeed courageous. It was illegal for them to walk along; it could have caused them great sorrow. When Jesus was hoisted up, John with Mary, Jesus’ mother with Ruth (his sister), and Jude (his younger brother) arrived on the scene. Jesus smiled at them, but said nothing. At about 9:30 Jesus was on the cross and about one thousand persons were there to witness the crucifixion of the Son of Man. Throughout these dreadful hours, the unseen hosts of an entire universe stood in silence as they gazed upon this extraordinary phenomenon of the Creator as he was dying the death of the creature, even the ignoble death of a condemned criminal. Standing near the cross at one time or another we’re Mary, Ruth, Jude, John, and Salome (John’s Mother) and earnest female believers-Mary the wife of Clopas, the sister of Jesus’ mother, Mary Magdalene, and Rebecca of Sepphoris; Rebecca had wanted Jesus to marry her, but he refused. If she couldn’t have him, she would be a staunch follower, so she was in the Women’s Corp. John was the only apostle that witnessed his crucifixion. He was absent bringing the other women up during the time, the brigand told Jesus-“Lord remember me when you come into your Kingdom.” Jesus smiled and replied approvingly, “Verily, verily, I say to you today, that sometime you’ll be with me in Paradise!” All it took was a flicker of faith and asking our Creator Son of God to receive him! When he reached out for salvation, he found deliverance! Luke subsequently heard this story from the converted Roman Captain he interviewed. Luke was a follower of Jesus from Alexandria Egypt. He spent countless hours interviewing many hundreds of first-hand witnesses who actually were present during the life and happenings of Jesus to provide an historical perspective of the Master’s life. By noon, most of the jeering crowd had gone and only 50 people remained. They were amazed of how patient and tolerant he was to the ridicule. When the guards sat down to eat, Jesus told the Captain, “I thirst,” so he saturated a sponge with wine and gave it to Jesus. Jesus knew Psalms by heart and was speaking them to himself for comfort, sometimes while in and out of consciousness, but occasionally in extreme pain, loud enough for all to hear. During this early time, John had gone back to the home of Joseph to bring up Mary Magdalene and a dozen other women. At one o’clock, Jesus began to expire. During this time, his human mind had resorted to speaking many Hebrew Scriptures including the Psalms. Among them was the 22nd Psalm which Jesus spoke out clearly enough so others could hear, “My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me?” Jesus knew that his Father would never forsake him! He was speaking the twentieth, twenty-first, and twenty-second Psalms to himself for comfort, and at periods of great pain, he would speak out portions of these three Psalms more loudly. At about 1:30, a fierce sandstorm came up and by 2pm, had darkened the sky. The Roman guards were huddled together at the base of the cross; three feet above them was the feet of Jesus. It was just about three o’clock when the Master expired, after crying out in a loud voice said: “It is finished! Father, into your hands I commend my Spirit!” The Centurian stood up and smote his breast, saying-“Truly, this man was a Son of God!!!” and from that day forward, he became a believe in Jesus. Jesus died royally, just as he lived. He went willingly to his ignominious death, after he provided to the safety of his apostles, and forgiving Peter. At his death was John Zebedee, his brother Jude, his sister Ruth, Mary Magdalene, and Rebecca from Sefforis; a city only 3 miles from Nazareth. John had already taken Jesus’ mother Mary and the other women back to Jerusalem and returned as Jesus requested of him. Mary lived in John’s home in Bethsaida and passed on to heaven, shy one year later. What would happen next would shake up Jerusalem, Israel, and the entire world! Billion’s of souls were saved by grace through faith and have reached the gates of heaven since. Jesus is the Universal Creator Son of God and near eternal. He reigns Supreme with the Holy Spirit. Reach out to him, if you desire eternal life. Don’t miss the opportunity to spend eternity, having the time of your life! All it takes is faith the size of a mustard seed, and you’ll grow into an amazing new creature! We are truly blessed! Amen!

Don’t forget, when researching scriptures written by ancient men, to also collaborate with the Spirit of God whose Spirit is right within our minds. It’s how He is omnipresent throughout this gigantic universe of universes, that’s so large and magnificent, we cannot begin to perceive its beauty and grandeur! By sincerely doing our Father’s Will and asking Him questions, you may be surprised of His answers. “Ask and you shall receive; seek and you shall find; knock and the door shall be opened!”

Luke's preamble tells us where he got his information from. Nobody ever claimed that he was giving a firsthand account: Like 1:1-3 - Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, 2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; 3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

It makes sense, if you mix Sprite, Coke, Dr Pepper, and Orange Soda, you no longer have 4 drinks, but one unique drink that is distinct. If you weave 4 gospels together into one gospel, you no longer have 4 separate distinct gospels, you overlook what each gospel tried to emphasize and convey.

Creating a merged harmony does not "DESTROY" the four individual Gospels - you still have them. But a unified Gospel makes it possible for the average person to read the Gospel story and to understand it, without having to be a scholar, and without the confusion caused by reading four slightly different versions of the same thing... Where else do you want to read 4 different versions of the same book? The differences between the accounts is a cause for confusion - even among scholars - and God is not the author of confusion. Jesus Christ said to preach "The Gospel" - not Gospels... There was Tatian's unified harmony Diatessaron for 250 years, until the Catholic Church branded the man a heretic (not because of Diatessaron) and then gave us the same four Gospels that he had used in the Latin Vulgate Bible of 405 CE. You can read the four Gospels one after the other, and afterwards not really know what happened, or in what order everything happened...

@vnurcombe

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If the gospel writers all had political agendas….and they clearly did……then blending makes no sense. Error compounds on error.

@andylyon3867

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Each gospel represents each of the four humors, reading the one for the imbalance you are reflecting in the world will restore balance without any special scholarship.

@vnurcombe

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@@andylyon3867 funniest thing I’ve read this week. You actually think the majority of religionists think like that. “I fancy a bit of Luke’s anti-Semitism today”.

@danielmook

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Lol. If your premise (i.e., the gospel accounts are historical narrative) is false, then the "gospel" won't be found in any or all of the Gospels, no matter how much you harmonize them. To the honest, unbiased observer, the revisions among the Gospels reveal the agendas of the authors, not the accuracy of the story. It's quite clear the narratives are fiction.

Hate your family etc. it's about to not love them more than the truth , do not follow anyone who reject the truth....

If the gospels copy from one another then where’s the eye witnesses ?

@kbblaze9371

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I could be wrong but I don't think that any of the anonymous Gospel writers claim to be eyewitness. Luke does indicate that he may have spoken with people who were or claimed to be eyewitnesses. If you're depending on eyewitnesses, I think you're out of luck. Sorry.

@ItsJustAdrean

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@kbblaze9371 Well, there's Paul, who claimed to meet Jesus himself as well as the eye witnesses. I think that if nothing else is worth thinking about

@kbblaze9371

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@@ItsJustAdrean We have no testimony from anyone who claimed to have met Jesus of Nazareth. Paul claims to have met the living Messiah/Christ. As Tabor says in, I think, the first sentence in his book "Paul and Jesus", "Paul never met Jesus".

@lepidoptera9337

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In Mark 16:19 Mark witnesses the seating of Jesus in the heavenly coronation room. That is all you need to know about the entire NT. After that sentence a rational person is done with this bullshit. ;-)

@ItsJustAdrean

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@@kbblaze9371 Paul claimed to have been stricken blind by the Messiah and sent into the city to meet someone there, whereby he was healed, spent 3 years in Arabia, and then spent 13 days with disciples such as Peter upon his return, at which point he had already been teaching essentially the same gospel of a dead, raised, divine and saving Jesus.

We know that the Acts of the Apostles was written prior to the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., which means that the Gospel of Luke was written before that too - as Acts is considered "Second Luke". These are two works written one after another to a man named Theophilus. Luke was written prior to 70 A.D. and he used (by his own admission) other sources. He probably had read either Matthew or Mark's account or both - before 70 A.D. It's a deception to teach that the gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke were written after 70 A.D. because you can just read what it says to prove otherwise. The problem with James Tabor is that he neglects to read what it says.

The real story about Jesus praying by himself and asking his 3 apostles to stay awake and pray for him: “John Mark” was a young lad whose parents were early followers of Jesus and lived in Jerusalem. John Mark’s parents allowed him to follow Jesus and the 12 on some of his preaching tours, but mainly around Jerusalem and Capernaum. Jesus enjoyed having Mark along and knew his parents personally. Mark followed Jesus and the apostles on the Mount of Olives before he was arrested, hiding close by, so no one knew he was there, except for Jesus of course. He wrote down what happened, exactly like it occurred! The Mark family’s large upper room was used during The Last Supper and after the death of Jesus, most of the apostles with some followers stayed in the same upper room, hiding from the authorities with the door locked. The women’s main group stayed with Joseph of Arimathea.

Okay I made it 28 minutes into this and I'm still skeptical of this guy To me the whole book is made up the people in it are just characters in a story

@avaritt

Жыл бұрын

lol

Are you teaching Christians from a Jewish interpretation?

Icant read this, but ill get back to you bc this is the class of "the other 70." Obviously, those like Peter, James and John have moved on to much deeper teachings.

Get real. I can single handedly destroy your speculations using Statistical Analysis. Watch my last video which is a precursor to the deepness into data analysis video that's coming soon!

@notanemoprog

Жыл бұрын

Why not use both hands instead?

@eternalgospels

Жыл бұрын

@@notanemoprog My video is uploading, watch it after it is uploaded. It's a preview of what's coming that shows most are in great error when claiming the Gospels are post 70 AD. It does not get more scientific than this once all the data is presented. Watch and you'll hear a good counter argument.

@TheDanEdwards

Жыл бұрын

"Get real. " - Tabor is real. In this video he is just highlighting the Synoptic Problem, and why harmonizers end up with none of the canonical gospels but their own gospel. The simple fact, and this is obvious but does go against some fundamentalist's dogma, is that the canonical gospels do not agree with each other. This is such a long, well known, problem that even believers (who don't have to sign some confession to teach/preach) have worked on it for centuries. Indeed, *the whole reason there are harmonies of the gospels is to counter the problem of the four being different.*

@eternalgospels

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDanEdwards The contradictions have an answer that is much simpler than you think. You can extract Jesus personality and teaching style from the Gospels. He often repeated things twice but with different angles. When one gospel says "Why you call me good" another says "why you inquire about what is good" it's not out of the realm of possibility he said both, it happens to be one author focused on one saying versus the other. Based on the data which is very strong that Jesus often said things twice in different ways I believe he actually said both. Look it up you'll see what I'm saying.

@eternalgospels

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDanEdwards Look, despite my disagreements with Tabor I like the guy, he's humble and easy going. But sometimes he overthinks things pushing himself into extreme speculations. That's all, but he's awesome as a host and content creator.

Now I met one hour you mean like magicians doing card tricks on the gullible get rid of them

Hmm... "Mark"sounds like a Denis Villeneuve film. Doesn’t tell you what to think, just sets out some sometimes contradictory, sometimes ambiguous situations in which flawed people act in flawed ways and sometimes some of them still end up doing what seems to them like the right thing...

@lepidoptera9337

Жыл бұрын

Right until you hit Mark 16:19... and then you know with absolute certainty that Mark was an amateur bullshitter. ;-)

"The Poor in Spirit" has a meaning that needs to be understood. It means someone who has less of the Cognised "I", study Buddhism to understand this. This "I" is false, so one that has a poor sense of themselves, allows their Ego to be less, to see more. "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven". Someone with a lesser Ego, can deserve The Kingdom of Heaven. Very Buddhist in concept.

The Passion was such a bad movie

These are smart people,,, no these are con men

The Romans, stole, the Gospel of the black Jews, and gave it, aChristianLabel, using, the name, Jesus Christ. The Gospel, of the Nazarenes, was a very Successful Gospel. The Angels worked with .them .This Gospel, took 144000 Israelites to Heaven.

I get it...but weren't the "sayings" rhetoric to begin with? I assume they were spoken word, why would they not be rhetorical and then "simplified" by the author. Is there evidence that Jesus wasn't educated in rhetoric?

@lepidoptera9337

Жыл бұрын

Did he have diploma from a famous Roman university? No. Is that assumption that Jesus was formally religiously educated useful? Not really because that would have put him into the temple priest class. Is the assumption that any of this material is original by Jesus useful? No, because almost none of the material in the bible is original. None of it is the height of knowledge at the time, either. The people who wrote about Jesus didn't want him to look like he was educated in Greek philosophy or Roman political writings (all of which were far more advanced than the best material in the bible). Jesus is a folk hero. He is not a philosopher.

@amyk6403

Жыл бұрын

Jesus was a Rabbi and not a hero to everyone in his time, like Robinhood. He was a rebel. He was harsh, purposefully enigmatic and more demanding than the Pharisees. He frequently became irritated with his disciples. He was also quite ascetic, a Roman construct. And he was no dummy. Did you know that there was a Greek theater ( Skene) in Nazareth? Whether Jesus was a priest, a teacher of the law or a country bumpkin, he was most certainly embedded within a thoroughly Greek culture. (Thoroughly Greek for 300 years) The saducees were heavily influenced by the "enlightenment " of neoplatonic philosophy. Addlitionally, Rabbi's had their own forms of proofs and argumentation. A Rabbi is not a high priest, btw. My point was that the author of Mark is rather ineloquent, using poor Greek. Perhaps he wasn't the brightest bulb on the tree. When I read Mark I feel like I'm missing parts of the conversation. I don't know that "Mark" had a grasp of the deeper meaning of Jesus's sayings.... Which he actually said. In real life. Ask Josephus.

The bible is the written word of God sent to each man personally, but the bible is spiritually discerned, and it has one purpose, the salvation of everyone's soul for whosoever will. If you have found salvation you would understand, but anyone who has not received Jesus will ever understand the bible, the scriptures are only opened when you receive Christ and are made a new creation in Him. Are you a new creation in Jesus, if not then you can never interpret the new testament. For those who have been saved from the sin after receiving Christ, Jesus then becomes the word and the power of God that leads us to salvation. There is something that this world can never understand it called the born again experience that every person goes through who have received Christ for the salvation of their soul, and it is this, "If any man be in Christ He is a new creation old things have passed away, all things are made new", and this, "It is no longer I who lives, but Christ who lives within me and the life I now live I live for Him who died and rose again for me. Until you know this you know nothing.

@karenhess342

Жыл бұрын

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@joygibbons5482

Жыл бұрын

So, Christianity is a mystery religion? Thought so

@VerdosoVersusElites

6 ай бұрын

@@joygibbons5482no a relational one instead!

@rajeeb3500

3 ай бұрын

In other words, it only makes sense if you convert. Genius.

@bhavinmehta1490

3 ай бұрын

The Bible is a book written by men with various ideas and stories, it is not inerrant and the Hebrew language of the Hebrew Bible doesn’t go back to the time of Moses,

James you have a couple moments left to live in your body. This Word/Gospels will be here until the end of time benefiting humanity and you will be long gone having no effect in this world regardless of how many books you provide to this earth.

@lepidoptera9337

Жыл бұрын

That sounds very hateful. Is that what they are teaching in your church? Is that the kind of manners your mom was trying to teach you? ;-)

@johnmichaelson9173

4 ай бұрын

😂 Ah, you're upset.

@johnmichaelson9173

4 ай бұрын

@@lepidoptera9337 Doesn't it just!! Some Christians get so angry when anyone questions & then contradicts their little bubble of ignorance.

@lepidoptera9337

4 ай бұрын

@@johnmichaelson9173 That is not a Christian. That is not even an adult.

Jesus was praying when He was being baptized. Paul was told to pray when he was baptized ("And now, why tarriest thou? Arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins, CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD.") Calling on the name of the Lord is praying. A lot of these things can be harmonized very easily. The extra information doesn't nullify the information - like modern scholarship likes to do. In every case, modern scholars tout the shorter passages as authoritative for no other reason than, "We say so." Well, what if they are wrong? Why cannot the longer versions also be authoritative? You keep whittling down to the shortest readings and pretty soon, all you have is "Jesus wept."

Bible has tremendous scientific accuracy like round Earth and jet streams-- proving it is God's word!

@lepidoptera9337

Жыл бұрын

What does it say about the iPhone? ;-)

@Theresia66

Жыл бұрын

As far as i'm aware it says the earth is a circle, not round. The earth is not a circle, it's a sphere

We need to throw out Mark, Luke, John, and Acts - they are not true. All the writings of Paul are filled with lies. The rest were later inventions - not as we have been told. Only Matthew is worth study - the rest only add confusion and division - and even Matthew has some alterations.

@johnstewart7025

6 ай бұрын

But sermon on the mount is not in mark.

@barnsweb52

6 ай бұрын

That's right - and it is THE foundation of his teaching ministry. Note it is not in John either, and Luke is inferior to Matthew and second hand testimony. Those are a few of the reasons we need to grasp Matthew to see how useful the other gospels are. Jerome was no more careful than a garbage man.@@johnstewart7025

@barnsweb52

5 ай бұрын

That's right - and it shows itself to be a fraud, that and the conclusion/commission of Mark defies Matthew. Which would you toss out - Matthew, or Mark - as both cannot be true. @@johnstewart7025

@barnsweb52

5 ай бұрын

Exactly, it is not in Mark, but there it is in Matthew, which reportedly dates to before 40 CE, well before Mark. So why doesn't Mark have any record of it - considering the import Jesus gave to it in Matthew?@@johnstewart7025

Matthew is the only gospel written Aramaic/Hebrew then translated into greek. Matthew begins with the genealogy of Jesus as an intro into the new testament/new covenant. The gospel message of Jesus and of the kingdom of God was to the Jew 1st then to the greek. Just makes sense to me that Matthew would be 1st

Yes, because YOU, james, "NEVER" interject YOUR interpretation without evidence but ONLY by your own personal feelings and/or thoughts. In every single video you ALWAYS add your own 2 cents either taking away from what was written or adding unsubstantiated claims and content! I always know to keep the B.S. meter up when your vernacular starts with "IMAGINE", "I" believe or "I" tend to think.... or some variant of, or if I begin to here that scoffers voice come out when you disbelieve something in the bible than interject your own interpretation of course. This happens often if you hadn't noticed especially when concerning anything or anyone new testament....Ah who am I kidding, a good deal of old testament too! But you always have the utmost respect for babylonian, egyptian, hinduism, esoteric, gnostic beliefs.....why would that be?

Maybe? What do you mean, "Maybe"? Jesus told Peter that he would give him the keys of the kingdom of heaven BECAUSE of his confession that Jesus was the Christ. Maybe? This is not a pick whichever one suits you best, you unlearned God hater. Man shall live by EVERY word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God - not just the words we want to observe and do. This is not scholarship, this is licentiousness. James Tabor doesn't know half of the New Testament and the half he does know, he doesn't believe.

@johnmichaelson9173

4 ай бұрын

Yeah but you've named yourself gizmofrompizmo so who'll take anything you say seriously?

@GizmoFromPizmo

4 ай бұрын

@@johnmichaelson9173 - This is a noble and revered name. And even if it weren't, that has nothing to do with the content of my criticism.

@johnmichaelson9173

4 ай бұрын

@@GizmoFromPizmo👈 W⚓

Derek MythVision? Who the heck is this joker?

@Trainwhrek

Жыл бұрын

+1 if tabor wants a laugh or applause track he can just edit it in rite?