It’s incredible how enthralled and excited Dr. Tabor gets while discussing concepts of the Bible, especially since he has retired and could be bored by now. However. Instead, his manner 😅of enthusiasm is contagious and it is so enjoyable to listen to him.

@umarhasans.7245

11 ай бұрын

I am ALWAYS drawn in whenever he starts giving those long lectures.👍

@marycollis6900

9 ай бұрын

Yes- he’s like a child with a new toy. And it’s infectious.

I can't tell you how comforting this video is. OMG I'm only 1/2 way through and to hear scholars openly talking about how "we just don't know" and even questioning some VERY strongly held beliefs by Christians, it's extremely comforting to me. I spent so many years growing up Oklahoma in various Christian churches. I was constantly confused by what I was reading BUT I was even more confused when I brought up these questions to the "leaders". The would show, what I thought was, genuine interest in helping me only to eventually get frustrated with my questions. SOOO often I heard "Well that's just the way it is" or "We're not meant to know all of the ways of God" and many other dismissive "catch all phrases". This was very often because I had identified a problem and the resolution of said problem directly challenged their long held understandings. I noticed I then was often labeled as a "trouble maker" or "a problem Christian" or some other term. When I would raise my hand to ask a question, I could almost hear a collective sigh of "Here we go again". I was often shunned for asking such questions and not "letting off" the pastors when they completely failed to answer my questions. I don't think most people even understood what I was asking or why it was even important. And rather than think more deeply about what I was asking and it's ramifications, they simply looked at me as the problem, NOT the bible or the pastor. AND now since they had labeled me the problem, they felt justified in doing anything they could to shut me up and keep me from asking more of my annoying questions. Eventually I just gave up because NO ONE seemed to care that there were some very serious issues with the Bible. When you combine those issues with the idea that the bible is the unaltered and unchanged word of God.....then for me, that's a deal breaker. So it's quite refreshing and comforting to hear scholars debate some of the very issues I had picked up on long ago. THANK YOU both for the open, honest and very frank discussion on this topic!!

@TorianTammas

8 ай бұрын

Jon it id said to see that your curiuosity and honest search meet such resistance. I like to say the bible story is a fan fiction collection. We even see the war between the first groups going on as out of 25 gospels only four made it into the collection we are familiar with. Try out the Jesus speech test. Listen to 3 talks Today and each for only ten minutes. The first you write down word for word after 24 hours, the second after a week and the third after a month. The stories about Jesus were produced decades later. What does your test tell you about that authenticity? Yes it is made up fan fiction.

@andremarzec1319

7 ай бұрын

Look up Sam Gerrans

@youtubezcy

3 ай бұрын

Check out Bart Ehrman, Richard Carrier and Aron Ra and Matt Dillahunty

@NuisanceMan

3 ай бұрын

It's always refreshing to hear from someone who isn't afraid to use their intelligence.

@kamranemin5356

2 ай бұрын

I invite you to Islam

I really appreciate the link to download the printable Q source information. Thank you so much Dr Tabor!

Excellent video. Love your work. You are 100% correct. The Aramaic idioms "bar nasha" we interpret "son of man" means "an ordinary human being." And "bar d'alaha" - "son of God" is any "pious, meek individual." Many Aramaic idioms and metaphors are taken too literal by Westerners and they were turned into religious buzz words and legalized terms. It's great you're shedding light on these.

@tydy5266

3 ай бұрын

I invite you to reread the gospels. Jesus claims these titles in a unique sense

@royalcreations3970

3 ай бұрын

@@tydy5266 He mostly said "breh nasha" which was more inclusive but Western believers still take it too exclusive as a title.

@tydy5266

3 ай бұрын

Where does he say this? He tells the Pharisees that he is the one that was consecrated and sent into the world. He also affirms that he is "the Good Shepherd" and the followers are his "sheep". Seems like he's the Son in a unique sense to me. Believe what you want though, I don't expect people to understand what they're reading anymore. Everyone has their own bias @@royalcreations3970

@acesing0987

19 күн бұрын

So all the non westerns back then were wrong

@cooloutac

19 күн бұрын

son of man, means of the seed of man. Son of God with a capital G is Jesus or angels of the Holy Spirit. angels are Morning Stars. Jesus Spirit we refer to as The Son of God rather than simply angel, is Their Lord. But they are all God's will. Son of god with a lower case g could be human man or evil angel. "ye are all gods, ye are all children of the most high"

I like "there is one commandment, and the second is just like it." Unity in unity!

Fascinating video. I will watch multiple times to make sure I didn’t miss anything. As others, I’m a fan of these longer in depth videos. Thank you both!

Thank you so much, Dr. Tabor. I am a Christian and have never believed in the Trinity doctrine. 2 Thes. 2:10-12 tells us we must love TRUTH wherever that takes us. I have been denied membership in various churches (even though I never try to influence others or speak out about my beliefs) and have been told I can not be Christian unless I believe it nor can I expect salvation. Please continue to provide this type of information from historical and Biblical sources. I am so glad I found your videos.

@geoattoronto

10 ай бұрын

Thus the church proves itself to be heretical.

@TorianTammas

8 ай бұрын

As Jesus was a jew who reformed Judaism every kind if Christian is a heretic.

@kamranemin5356

2 ай бұрын

You are right Jesus never preached trinity or claimed to be God. Do you want to know his true teachings?

Thank you as always Dr. Tabor. I hope your insights become common knowledge

Thank you two, this video is so relevant, informative, in a word brilliant!

More than a professor, truly a Teacher. I think the Master would be pleased.

@Byebyebye22-mv3xh

10 ай бұрын

I think the Master is laughing out loud! For example, every time Jesus used the phrase "Son of Man" he was claiming divinity to his Hebrew listeners (see Daniel 7:13). Every time he used the phrase "I am" he was also claiming divinity to his Hebrew listeners. No to mention the "I and the Father are one" and "no one comes to the Father except through me" statements! Good grief, Jesus claimed His divinity all throughout the Gospels...LOL

@marycollis6900

9 ай бұрын

@@Byebyebye22-mv3xhI’m not sure you listened right through. The phrase Son of Man, from Daniel is interpreted right there in the Daniel text. It’s the people of God! Anyone who follows God.

@ronnetteerwin8606

7 ай бұрын

@@Byebyebye22-mv3xh I think you're right as well. If we can see that what God created to be an extension of his mighty arm and his strong right hand, then we can begin to understand why the Bible says that Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father. In Isaiah, he is actually mocking the makers of false idols fashioned by human hands and those who worship them, and saying in effect, I'm going to make something indisputable of my own arm with my own hand to bring glory, reconciliation, redemption, and worship to myself by my own making. He is the potter making us into something honorable to himself by pouring his holy spirit into us, just as he formed a fleshly body as the Christ, he also wishes to perfect us in such a way to glorify us by his glory. Jesus is filled with the fullness of God's treasures because God was glorified in his earthly vessel. He is an extension of God to us, and the Father's right hand man. Jesus is God. He reconciled the world to himself by his own strong arm and mighty hand.

@thegoodresident

4 ай бұрын

@@ronnetteerwin8606 That's a leap of logic. If Jesus is being presented as a right-hand man of the Father, then he is by default, not God. God was glorified in his earthly vessel, but that doesn't mean Jesus and God are the exact same being. You pointed it out yourself yet somehow still went off the track, but that's not the point anyway. Jesus is like an agent of the Father by what you are saying, except the very last words of your comment seem to contradict misportray the perception of Jesus which you were building up throughout your comment.

@ronnetteerwin8606

4 ай бұрын

@@thegoodresident God sent his Holy Spirit to us in the name of Jesus. You can read about it in John 15-17. He is the vine, we are the branches. If we abide in him, we abide with the Father. It is the tree of life that he is referencing to, taking us out of a configuration of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. We are reborn as children of God containing the seed of God. As it stands, without accepting the forgiveness of sin and the work of Christ, we would remain in a state of a corrupted man of self we were made into at the fall by the devil. Jesus was sent or dispatched, excessed off of by the Father born or made of his Spirit, to destroy the corrupted man of self in the flesh and make him a spirit filled child of God, a co-heir with Christ. He was given a kingdom that he has conferred to us. He said I and my father are one, if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. The one he sends, belonging to Christ, hears and sees, and teaches righteousness. Either we lead or trust in self, or we lead and trust by the one that he sent to us that has the mind of Christ and knows the Father. The Spirit that is given to us makes the Father known to us. He said I and the Father will come in and dine with you, we will make our abode with you. You can't separate God from his Spirit, because he is a Spirit, and the work of Christ, since he is the vessel that is used to accomplish the reconciliation in right standing with God through his sacrifice and sinless righteousness to impart God's Spirit to us. He said I have come to conquer the one of a configuration, and that is the self, who in the image of the devil, who wanted to be worshipped, instilled in us that must be subdued and taken out of the way. It is the purging of or pruning that Jesus speaks of of this spirit of self that cannot bear fruit unto righteousness. Only the fruits of the Holy Spirit can do that and grow a crop or harvest that leads to righteousness. We must rid ourselves of self by holding to the teaching of the Holy Spirit God has sent to us through Christ. We belong to him because he is the only one worthy to stand in for fallen man as a high priest because we are only sinless by the cleansing of his blood. He has come to conquer the self in all of us. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. All things were made by him and for him. The word was made flesh and dwelt among us. We are one with God, if we abide in Christ and keep our faith in him that he is who he says he is, and if we believe he came to do what he said that he would do. He is freeing us from the bondage of ourselves that we have came to trust in instead of trusting in God. We have been deceived into becoming like gods or as God by partaking of the wrong kind of fruit of the wrong tree given by the enemy of God who wanted to be worshipped and exalt himself above God's throne. It has always been the plan for salvation, because he said I knew you before I formed you in your mother's womb. Jesus said I'm coming back to you where I was beside you before the world was made. Jesus is a spiritually fleshly extension of God to us standing in the gap to a holy sinless God. He is the avenue to cleanse and sanctify us to reach the holy city where he is. Without the sinless blood of Christ washing our sin away, how else would we be clean and presentable to God, who is himself spotless and having no sin in him? He made flesh to reconcile flesh by his Spirit. There is no forgiveness of sin without blood. The life is in the blood. And that is why. I hope you understand, I have explained it the best I can for now.

I'm so happy I found this video, because I've had these questions for so long now, but never heard it put together so clearly.

Thank you so much Dr. Tabor. ❤

Dr. Tabor brings clarity to the Christian ✝️ religion🎉

This is a crucial question. Claiming to be 'one with God' is not the same as being God. The enemy is working hard to get man to sin by worshipping a man.

@LivingTithe

9 ай бұрын

The word was with God, the word was God ( word=God). Jesus is the word

@agreenenergygroup

9 ай бұрын

Notice yeshuah says this after the spirit rests on him. Not before. To me, it's the definition of what the modern Christians claim as being filled with the Holy Spirit... it's the actual definition.

@TorianTammas

8 ай бұрын

​@@LivingTitheIt is logos in thr greek original but the translators never translated it properly. In greek philosophy a logos is bever a being of entity like it is claimed in christianity.

@TorianTammas

8 ай бұрын

​@@agreenenergygroupIt isn't but this would nean one knows some basic greek and some basic greek philosophy of antiquity. Christians made up fan fiction all the time.

@LivingTithe

8 ай бұрын

​@@TorianTammasit is "word" " reason" or " plan" . Dont limit the creater of the universe who will be what he will be. A good way to get rid is water. Water can be a vapor, a solid and a liquid, but it's still water. Our God is dimensional, able to be what he chooses and there are examples of this in the Bible

Been following Dr Tabor since early 2000’s

@dadedowuh

11 ай бұрын

He's kinda like getting gum on your 👟 shoe.. :) ❤️

The period after the death of Jesus until the writings of Paul is the most interesting time in early Christianity, in my view. Because there are virtually no written sources, one has to take on the role of being a 'scriptural detective' to try and reach some conclusions, or at least some credible arguments. Another great interview, Dr. Tabor!

@sdlorah6450

11 ай бұрын

The historicity of the Bible is the subject of Dr. Titus Kennedy's talk The Archaeology of Jesus & the Gospels as found on YTube. It is an informative, well-documented presentation.

@tongakhan230

10 ай бұрын

What does one mean by there being no written sources? All the writings we have contained in the Bible were written before and after Jesus. Completed by the end of the First Century.

@NickRothman1980

10 ай бұрын

@@tongakhan230 I'm referring to the period directly after Jesus's death. The consensus amongst scholars and historians is that Jesus was executed probably in 30CE. Paul's letters probably started in the 50s CE. Those letters, of which there are only probably seven authentic ones, pre-date the gospel narratives by a number of decades. Paul's letters are the very first written sources we have about Jesus. Up until that time there are no written sources at all about Jesus. It's interesting to try and piece together what was going on in the few months and years after Jesus's death; how did James his brother become the leader of the movement, for example. Just to pick you up on one thing, there is a case for Luke/Acts being somewhere as late as 120CE, because it seems probable to many scholars that the author has read Josephus' works.

@marilynsamaniego4652

9 ай бұрын

Tabor would say, and I believe has already said elsewhere, that the early “church” was not a church or Christians.. they were Jews pre ting Judaism.

@mistymoor7114

9 ай бұрын

​@@marilynsamaniego4652 I dont think anyone would dispute that.

Even as I constantly struggle to pay my rent. And I constantly struggle to provide groceries for my children! I trust you Lord! I’m choosing to keep faith. Walking with faith is the most important thing us christian’s must do. That’s why love compassion and prayers are all we truly need. Please keep me in your prayers. As Christians it’s vital to trust God no matter what we are facing. I want to give up so bad! But God won’t allow me because he is our only strength in this world. As a single mom, things are tough on me. My husband passed years ago. I feel so alone. Both of my sons are autistic and non verbal. I’m constantly struggling to provide for my boys. I’m overwhelmed and so ashamed. Father God hear my prayers. My faith in you is strong! Even though I’m constantly in fear of losing my home. I have faith a miracle is on the way! Faith over fear!

You mention the Shema. At around 56:30 of "The Lost Tomb" special that you did with James Cameron and Simcha Jacobovici, there is an ossuary with the image of a Shema (a sort of Star made of mirrored lion's paws).

Excellent video!! Very good conversation.

What kind of mic/audio setup does James have there?

When creating characters in fiction that's written in the third person, sometimes it's best to just let the narrator reveal the details of the fiction.

Love both of you!

Dr. Tabor, you are a familiar name and a trusted source for my interests. Thank You

Thank you for the download link.

Thank you for sharing.

Thank you!!

Thank you.🌻

Thank you! This is great explanation!

As always, Pleasure to see you brother James :) You will get to see the "Son of Man" coming in the clouds of Internet :)

I have questions about Judaism, Christianity, Islam that nobody can answer and I've asked them several times and nobody seems to know the answers. I have a lots of them but I'll just start with these. Q. Why DIDN'T God want Adam and Eve to know the difference between good and evil? I assume it has something to do with innocence by ignorance. But then the question arises: Q. If God DIDN'T want Adam and Eve to eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and therefore know the difference between good and evil, then why keep the Tree in the Garden in the first place? Why not simply remove the Tree and thus remove the possibility? Which is followed up by this question: Q. Would you place your children in a garden with a loaded gun and tell them not to play with it? If you did, would it be evil? Q. If Eve didn't know it was evil to disobey God then why would/did God punish them for their ignorant innocence with not only death, but added banishment from the Garden as well? I assume its so they could not eat of the Tree of Life and live forever thus becoming like God. What would have happened if Adam and Eve ate both fruits at the same time? Or, if they had also ate the fruit from the Tree of Life, would they have indeed become like God? If that is so, did the Serpent lie or tell the truth because God said they would be banished so they couldn't ALSO eat the fruit from the Tree of Life and become like him? If Adam and Eve had ate both fruits, by God's own admission and the reason for banishment, they would have become like him. So, did the serpent actually lie to Eve or was he actually telling Eve the truth? Did God lie by omission to Eve by telling her she would die if she ate of the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil only to omit that if she also ate of the fruit of the Tree of Life that she wouldn't die but in fact would become like him? Did God actually want us to die from the beginning? If not, then why the tree that would kill us? Why was the serpent even created? Who created the serpent and what was its purpose? Now it gets really confusing for me because are we not supposed to be like God? If we're not supposed to be like God, then why did God make us in his image? If God doesn't want us to be like him, then who are we supposed to be like? Is the most important thing to God obedience? If that is so, then why give us free will? Am I missing something? Like I said, I am only on Genesis and this is REALLY confusing to someone with average intelligence. It's like I can't possibly know what to believe because its so stupidly confusing and really doesn't make any sense when you start to ask common sense basic questions. I always get "Don't know. Ask God". Ok, God, explain it to me without riddles and mysteries and smoke and mirrors and contradictions. I have A LOT more questions than these and I would really like to understand this religion. But so far, the tooth fairy is making more sense to believe in.

@hardwork8395

11 ай бұрын

There are many answers to these questions, but it depends whose answers you want to accept. The garden story is an adaptation from the Epic of Gilgamesh. The biblical version contains a few layers of editing over centuries to fit narrative and propagandistic needs. You are looking at the story as though it should follow Aristotelian logic, and you think you can deduce its meaning by comparing its narrative structure with well-ordered syllogisms, and thus, your confusion. Many hands made that story what it is and you can only ascertain some of its meaning in contrast to its origin. Both the differences and similarities with the original story matter.

@Brokencedar

11 ай бұрын

​@@hardwork8395 or the Epic of Gilgamesh, concerning Eden and the flood is from further back than people want to believe and it's God scriptural. When I dropped "man's" wisdom for a God who lives outside the contraits of time, everything started making sense.

@thecentralscrutinizerr

11 ай бұрын

@@hardwork8395 Are you sure its the Epic of Gilgamesh and not the Enuma Elish? It seems I read somewhere that Nimrod was an adaption of Marduk, is that true? I also read that in the Enuma Elish (I think it was) is the story of a baby that was placed in a boat and placed in a river and floated down stream and found by a princess. Can you confirm that? Wasn't Abram (Abraham) from Ur? Wasn't Ur a Sumerian city? If so, wouldn't he have known all about the Sumerian pantheon? And while I do appreciate your response, the questions above still remain unanswered. I'm not poking fun at anyone's religious beliefs. I'm genuinely trying to understand this religion. Will I go to Hell for not understanding? If I don't understand something, how am I supposed to understand it without asking questions? I understand that a response may indeed be an attempt to answer so that I don't perish in Hellfire, but what's important to me _is not what responses I will accept as answers but what responses are the truth and therefore THEE answers_ I don't want to believe a lie that will result in death and banishment all over again.

@beecee3161

11 ай бұрын

Check out Robert Sepehr , his work has your answer. It's mostly allegorical for sex which results in a spiritual death. To put it simply, our purpose as humans is to achieve the next stage of evolution. All beings below us are on a natural path of evolution until they reach full awareness, we as humans have developed full awareness, evolution can only occur from here on out through the spirit, our consciousness. Spilling the cup of Hermes is akin to spiritual death, retaining the cup is spiritual birth. The bible is historical events imposed on/with spiritual truths in poetic allegory. This is why chastity and abstinence is so important in most religions and emphasized by spiritual adepts. All "myths" point to these truths. Your job is to be the "Virgin Mary", fully devoted to God, which will result in the birth of the Christ in YOU. Your soul. More works to check out are George Gurdijeff and the Fourth way, Robin Amis A Different Christianity. These are your answers, believe it or not, up to you.

@hardwork8395

11 ай бұрын

@@thecentralscrutinizerr I’d reread both, as they are related to themes you are asking about, if you are going into creation and garden myths. Most scholars don’t believe Abraham actually existed. The answers to your questions depends on what sources and hypotheses you are willing to accept. Linguistic analysis does a lot to expose likely origins of the stories , in my opinion. One human to another, I wouldn’t worry about hell as that concept didn’t develop the way Christians think it did. You and everyone here is quite safe. Email Rabbi Tovia Singer, or call into his show-you’ll get a very informed response from a Jew’s perspective. He’s a very nice guy and cares a lot about this kind of thing.

The links doesn't work :(

What I would like to know sir. Is why if this was such a prominent point in time. Did they wait 20 years before even starting writing the story? And why would it be more important to paul ,someone who didn't learn directly from Yeshua? Given the circumstance I believe it would have been done post haste. And the other apostles wait till almost 90ad? Help me understand

@TorianTammas

8 ай бұрын

It is very simple a lot of cults ariund false Messiah existed at that time. By accident some greek like the dead arameic soeaking preacher story and made out of a dead rebel against rome some undead hero. Others jumped the bandwagon and over 25 gospels were made up

@acesing0987

19 күн бұрын

I agree... How would God allow this movement if not by the holy spirit... That being said Islam also spread like wildfire

@kydenj28

19 күн бұрын

@@acesing0987 well, Ishmael does mean "God will hear"

Wow best explanation of this particular subject, and to show just how we don't read the verses simply, we love to exaggerate. Especially since Jesus was a practicing Jew, who would never put himself above Hashem.

@JamesTaborVideos should we observe the sabbath?

GREAT DISCUSSION

I really enjoy this conversation and just looking at what is there and what we know or might theorize about who Jesus was and maybe still is and what perceptions of him make of Him throughout history. I will say, it would have been nice if James (Tabor) let Paul (Williams) speak a bit more- maybe some irony there given the subject of the apostles of the same name.

next video i will talk about this with your name

Thank you

I find it rather fun to go into a lecture with Dr. James Tabor presupposing what he might say. Most of the time I'm completely in left field.😮

19:34 Son of Man in the prophecy context essentially means "the people of the Most High God". Daniel 7: 27 is the interpretation of the Son of Man in such prophecy (Daniel 7: 13) 21:41 Lol moment, because Siri doesn't understand the prophecy...

@holyguacamole4058

4 ай бұрын

32:18 Mark 10 , verse 18 »»And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.««

@tydy5266

3 ай бұрын

*The* Son of Man is a figure that appears in the book of Daniel. *A* Son of Man is just a human being

@holyguacamole4058

3 ай бұрын

​@@tydy5266 thanks, I've just corrected my original comment.

If you are a Christian I would suggest checking out Robert H. Stein “Jesus the Messiah”. He also has a book on the “Q” source called “The Synoptic Problem”. Great theologian who is considered an expert in Mark. Was on the translating committee for the NLT translation. Stein holds to an orthodox view of Christianity.

Is the arm of Yahuah been revealed? WHO has believed our report? and to whom is the arm of Yahuah revealed? YESHA'YAHU (ISAIAH) 53:1 את CEPHER

@ronnetteerwin8606

6 ай бұрын

Yes. God said he is going to make something when he's discussing how they made idols by their own hand. He said I am going to extend my mighty arm and strong hand and make a man of gold. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father. He is the man God created from himself by his hand.

@tydy5266

3 ай бұрын

Jesus IS the right hand of God, the Arm or the Lord ​@@ronnetteerwin8606

9:57 He just Marked a few things? More like he Luked them up!

Thank you. So wonderful to hear an erudite and learned theologian acknowledging the truths which I, as a recently discovered Biblical Unitarian Christian have been discovering about the reality (& humanity) of the Messiah (Christ). It is so unfortunate that the 'catholic' church post-Nicea has been sold and preaching what James warns of - an Idol - of the Trinity and Divinity of Christ. Christ however was clearly not "a mere man". He now sits at the right hand of the Father (YHWH) as our advocate before YHWH and who has been given authority over all creation, to the glory of YHWH.

“Destroy this temple and 👉👉👉 *I* 👈👈👈 will raise it up”. I thought it was GOD who raise him

Man I have been thinking this for years and now you come out and said it. I can feel the spirit emanating from this idea

@Qaranwadani1993

10 ай бұрын

Basically how Jesus is referred in the Qur'an, as Son of Mary, Prophet of God, not God.

@kydenj28

10 ай бұрын

@@Qaranwadani1993 to me the ultimate sacrifice that God sent and we have to accept

@julianhe7348

10 ай бұрын

​@@kydenj28huh?;why do we need to accept a sacrifice?;if you offer something, you hope God accepts it. Jesus taught the way, whoever follows will be a son of God. That's it. No Human sacrifice required. Where does tanakh request an innocent human to atone for the sins of humanity? Tanakh teaches repentance and forgiveness, just like John the Baptist, just like Jesus.

@kydenj28

10 ай бұрын

@@julianhe7348 no God sacrificed his Son and we now have to accept it

@julianhe7348

10 ай бұрын

@@kydenj28 No your are Gods son if you accept the way he paved. Otherwise manmade superstition.

21:50 - God surely has a sense of humor 😇

Doctor Taber. I heard someone say they thought the book of Hebrews should have been called The book of the essenes, because it seemed tailored to them. Do you think the gospels could have been "tailored" for any particular group?

@tbishop4961

11 ай бұрын

They definitely were. This is well studied. Luke for example was clearly written to a Greek gentile audience. Matthew was likely written for Greek speaking jews

@pekde

5 ай бұрын

​@@tbishop4961do you think they were originally written in Greek?

@tbishop4961

5 ай бұрын

@@pekde that is the overwhelming scholarly consensus for numerous reasons

Jesus never claimed to be God, this was largely the invention of St Paul.

@tongakhan230

10 ай бұрын

WHAT!! Paul clearly stated that Jesus was an ANGEL 'To WHICH OF THE ANGELS did God say...' - Hebrews 1:5,13.

@carlgrove8793

10 ай бұрын

@@tongakhan230 Paul was totally ignorant of Jesus's teachings. Everything he says should be regarded with suspicion.

@tongakhan230

10 ай бұрын

@@carlgrove8793 : Why not read the historical accounts. Acts 9:13 But An·a·niʹas answered: “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, about all the harm he did to your holy ones in Jerusalem. 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to arrest all those calling on your name.” 15 But the Lord said to him: “Go! because THIS MAN IS A CHOSEN VESSEL TO ME to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel. 16 For I will show him plainly HOW MANY THINGS HE MUST SUFFER FOR MY NAME.” Paul was CHOSEN by Jesus.

@davidjanbaz7728

10 ай бұрын

@@carlgrove8793 you're ignorance is overwhelming as usual! Jesus and Paul taught the Two Powers in Heaven Israelite theology that Rabbinic Judaism rejected in the 2nd century AD.

@carlgrove8793

10 ай бұрын

@@davidjanbaz7728 If you do not accept what I said, prove it by quoting just one specific teaching of Jesus that Paul mentions.

I’d love to hear a synopsis on Q vs Thomas by Bart 🤔

Dr. James is also fun at parties!

A mere man can not die for the sins of the world. Raise the dead. Die only to take up his life again and return from heaven to judge the living and the dead

@rbypack

3 күн бұрын

Yes, he can, if he is full of love and has fully submitted himself to the Father for a sacrificial lamb for the sins of man. God can accept that sacrifice and raise Him up. Then the question is, is what does Christ become after his resurrection? I believe He becomes the Father of the children of God by adoption.

One question? Does the Qunran scroll mention Yoseph Yeshua father went?

whipping out that reg bible magic!! that is it, good doctor

Jesus never claimed to be God. On the few recorded occasions when God addressed the humans accompanying Jesus He called Him "My Son". Jesus referred to God as 'Father" and never as "the other half of my personality".

@SSmith-dn9ib

14 күн бұрын

But how to explain Jesus saying " before Abraham was born I am"( John :58) And " you are from below, I am from above"

Regarding Q, I am trying to figure out how it could fit into the context that some current scholars (Miller, Walsh, MacDonald, etc.) are painting of the gospels. That is, the gospels are works of a Greek-speaking culture of authors who are writing books in the Greek style of telling heroic myths. Does Q fit into this Greek genre? Obviously not, *but we now have two schools of thought among contemporary (secular) scholars of the NT* : 1) those who hold to the community/Q origins, and 2) those who see the NT as works of authors of a Greek mindset, writing books to pass around (and sell) to the market.

@Ken_Scaletta

11 ай бұрын

Q fits very well as stoic philosophy. Other parts echo parts of the Dead Sea Scrolls, specifically the Beatitudes, but even the DSS show Hellenistic influence. The Gospel of Mark provides the narrative template for the Gospels anyway and that has no Q in it. Q was added onto the narrative which is Hellenistic fable.

@Ken_Scaletta

11 ай бұрын

@@stevhen42 There certainly is. Are you a mythicist or a fundie?

@Anthropomorphic

11 ай бұрын

Dennis MacDonald endorses the Q theory and talks about it in a couple of Mythvision's videos so that might be a good starting point.

If people listen to the complete farcical requirements christi-anity claims a person needs to do, in order to be saved. It demands that individuals believe that a man 2000 years ago died to take away your sins and if you do not accept this, andcthat he is not man but God! then you are doomed to the hellfire! Regardless of the motives and actions you have done in your own life! ????

I read an article with a Catholic leader saif the Catholic's Trinity doctrine is the most important doctrine 1:07:53 they want all denominations to embrace. They are proud that they have accomplished their goal. They are also brag that they had the authority to change The Sabbath to the 1st day - Sunday.

Fascinating…

Dr Tabor your videos is a major source of understanding the Scriptures and have helped me tremendously in having a solid foundation in understanding. I thank you for this. Some trinity and especially believers that believe that Jesus was YHWH quotes Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." as evidence for their believe. If one reads this verse as is, one tends to think that the Torah is contradicting this verse. Is this also a "Lost in Translation" example? Would love if you can expand on this verse?

I think the most charming post resurrection relation is of Jesus making a fire and cooking fish and calling the crew to shore. The rather Victorian modesty of Peter being nude is a very intriguing detail which I'd find no fabricator would havve any reason to throw in. Jesus tells them, I go to your father and my father, to your god and my god. He calls them brothers. There's no appeal by Jesus' words or actions to be worshipped to his disciples and friends. That campfire scene, Jesus eating along with Thomas feeling his wounds also dispells the concept Jesus was a spirit or vision. He conquered death. A great example.

Thank you for speaking the truth! Unfortunately very few will see it. Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe ALSO in me. ~ John 14:1 ~ It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. ~ John 8:17, 18 ~ Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. ~ John 14:10 ~ * Just like God put His Word in Moses mouth to speak in behalf of God the Father.) ~ Jeremiah 1:9-10 ~ * When Jesus said "ye shall know that I am he" he is referring to verses 19-21, for Christ is the true light that came into the world, but the world received him not. ~ John 1:11-13 ~ Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD. ~ John 20:17 ~

Subtitle please 🙏🏻

In addition, Paul, in his letters (the earliest pieces of Christian writings we have, refers to Jesus as Lord and God. And Paul was himself an educated Pharisee.

honest and biblical narrative, however, Dr. Tabor you left out the 2nd Commanment which is a shorter version of what you said ( Ex. 20:6 ) which states : 5. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them , nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children into the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6. And shewing mercy into thousands of them that love them, and keep my commandments ... Kindly mention it next time ?

Did Dr. Tabor ever write anything stating what his beliefs are after all his studies?

Robert Stein PhD Princeton- " On the lips of anyone else the claims of Jesus would appear to be evidence of gross egomania, For Jesus clearly implies that the entire world 🌎 revolves around himself and the fate of all men is dependent on their acceptance or rejection of him. [The method and message of Jesus teachings (Westenminister, 1978) , 118.]

The video should be displayed on the St.peter square

I am sorry but I see your expression when you talk about Daniel 7 . you are not clearly understand yourself and try to avoid and look at your note

Genesis 1;27 gave me an interesting sand box to play in. If a man were born blind - what sort of image and likeness would he be likely to create and call male and female? Would the offspring of his creation, now gifted with sight, find beauty in each other's physical forms. There shall not be a test.

@44:13 Yeah.. exactly

So mark didn't have access to this "Q" source?

@EvanGrambas

3 күн бұрын

That's a great question

Very interesting and thanks for the list of Q passages. I just wanted to question an assumption, namely, that Jesus and the early Christians were "properly" understanding the meaning of the son of man Daniel 7, as if good exegesis of Daniel constitutes textual evidence for what Jesus meant when he used that phrase. But this is not necessarily the case at all. I also think that the imagery of a supernatural human coming in glory, as described in Daniel, would inevitably bend the imagination towards a single "savior" figure (I don't mean savior in all the theological nuance of Paul or subsequent orthodoxy): a divine figure coming from God, and identified in some way, perhaps vaguely understood, as especially connected to God. This is extremely compelling and appeals to the religious imagination. I think that the idea of the divinity of Jesus is likely something that grew out of certain ideas and imagery and was furthered by certain ambiguities that were present from the beginning, even in Q. I mean, we do have to come up with a trajectory for the idea that Jesus is divine. Was it a crazy misunderstanding, or did it arise from imagery and themes that compellingly suggested it? It seems to me that it is also going too far to present a simplistic two-stage development: Jesus and his earliest followers were monotheistic first century jews whose views are accurately described by the Hebrew Scriptures, AND THEN some interpolators came along and added a bunch of unwarranted claims about Jesus' divinity. This seems highly unlikely to me. There is no compelling reason to toss out the idea that early Christians had an understanding of God that differed from their contemporaries (and from our modern reading of the OT), and that there was a progression, which at least seemed rational to those who held the ideas, from a vague understanding or Jesus as "somehow special" to a more explicit Christology. I find it a bit odd and seemly catering to modern debates and postures to present later Christological developments as though they are somehow unwarranted. The warrant would have been in the minds of the early Jesus followers--that is, if this is a historical view. Whether we think the views are warranted or not is not relevant.

@30:24 Hagar & ishmeal tie in here somehow..

Yes, also I believe Jesus said that he did not want to become a serpent referring to the Statue of the serpent that Moses placed in the camp for people to pray to if they've been bitten by a snake. Of course people started praying to the statue for everything, turning it into an idol. So, Jesus did not want to become an idol between the people of God. I would insert that reference, but I don't have time to look for it right now.

The one unavoidable question regarding your theory is why is Jesus always using the singular rather than the plural ( if talking about a group )...why Son of Man rather than " Sons " of Man. Would love to hear your answer.

I prefer lectures to the interview format. The material winds up much better organized.

@kerrydwightwalter4621

11 ай бұрын

Agreed. I would love to see a series of video lectures with Brother James presenting his concise interpretations of these Q verses. Also, this is the best translation of Q I have seen.

@beastshawnee

11 ай бұрын

it’s all good.

When the rich man address Jesus as good teacher, Jesus says why do you call me good? There is only one who is good

@nikostheater

Ай бұрын

Indeed. Jesus explained to that man that he called him God.

@cooloutac

19 күн бұрын

and what did he mean by that? completely open to interpretation lol. I can take a middle of the road approach and say he was speaking as man, because his whole point of sacrifice to end all sacrifice, is that no man is good. Only God is good.. But then I could take a different approach and my question to you would be is Jesus good? Do you think he comitted sins? And how do you know he wasn't just simply being snarky? lol

@brookvalley907

19 күн бұрын

@@cooloutac thank you for your comment. Jesus appears to be saying that only God is good and he is not God. I think Jesus in other statements was saying that he and God were of one mind, but not that he was God. And Jesus was urging the rich man to become of one mind with God.

One other thought on the exchange between Jesus and Satan discussed around minute 13, where Satan offers Jesus “all the kingdoms of the earth” if he would bow down and do one act of worship…how could Satan offer GOD anything, much less rulership of the world he had been *granted* control over by… GOD 🙄🤷‍♀️🤓

Wow! Wow! Wow Todah Rabah

Hell yeah for your retirement!! I'm am here for it

@Richard_James_Schueler

10 ай бұрын

I just rubbed one out 😂

@methylmike

10 ай бұрын

total miss and gross@@Richard_James_Schueler

Maybe Jesus is saying. No one born by a woman is greater but even the least in the kingdom of God is greater than him. Meaning. You can be the fastest in the slowest group. But even the slowest in the fastest group is faster than the fastest in the slowest group, if that makes sense. Or no matter how great you are on earth, everything in the kingdom of God is greatee

I was disappointed with the interviewer steeling Dr Tabor's thunder. I learn better when Dr Tabor speaks on his own.

39:17 the greatest commandment? or the first commandment? - pick one

Kermit who he said around 41:00 ?

Appreciate Dr. Tabor making so much material for free here on KZread. He frames Christianity as The-Baptist-Jesus-James movement, but shouldn't Paul be in there first? Is not Paul the vehicle for bringing forward a new religion that while rooted in the 2nd Temple religion is a syncretism of the culture in which Paul was embedded in his travels? And did not Paul claim to have his own special revelation, as our only first hand witness (as Dr. Tabor has pointed out elsewhere) to the Jesus of the NT?

@strappedfatman7858

11 ай бұрын

The Apostle Paul baptizing into the sect! The Way! The Apostle Paul was in a Cult! Paul worshiped the God of Abraham! During his trial before Felix, Paul said, “I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect” (Acts 24:14). We are also told that Felix knew about the Way (verse 22). It seems that the Romans considered the Way to be a sect rather than a religion. Mark 9:38 John said to him: “Teacher, we saw someone expelling demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he was not following us.” 39 But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one who will do a powerful work on the basis of my name who will quickly be able to say anything bad about me. 40 For whoever is not against us is for us. Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’

Dr Tabor would you please do a video on miracles

Are you saying that the Romans added Jesus to the story?

The thought that follows me like an old broken dog worrying me and asking in light of how vanishingly small our planet is just in the light of this tiny universe that is ( taking space and time together) to think this sub detectable compared to the minuscule “Plank length “ rock is where God chose to reveal himself?????????????

Peep out Nicholas Notovitch discovery of St. Issa in India for his teenage years✌🏽🥷🏽

Ephesians 2:8. Saved by grace through faith-not of works. Revelation book of deeds -cast into lake of fire. Those in book of life enter the kingdom.

Thank you for the great lecture and the summaries of the Q-sources. I think the Sonship of Jesus can´t be understood from the earliest sources onward to crucifixion and resurrection ( Hans Küng prefers to speak about Auferweckung rather than Auferstehung - insinuating that God made Jesus´resurrection other than Jesus caused it on his own). The Sonship can only be understood from the point of Jesus´Auferweckung (which might be underlined scientifically by the most probable authenticity of the Shroud of Turin/Sudarium of Oviedo for the time being at least - lets see what future research methods will find out about that artefact) - it means only retrograde it can be understood and shall be understood. Second: for sure everybody was born from a woman, also Jesus himself. Jesus as fully human being can be at the same time God. The aristotelian rules of identity (the first says: if A is A it can´t be B at once) is scientifically incorrect, for we all know that A can be B at the same time (quantum mechanics etc.). So - the imitatio dei Jesus apparently fulfilled and lived without a flaw - leads to his saying: I am the way, the truth and life, no-one will come to the Father. In a broader sense: everybody who fulfills th will of God - can become God´s son and daughter. The role model is Jesus - who earned the resurrection after the third day instantly as first example. My humble thoughts and opinion about this whole affair.

Considering that we have now been enlightened iro mistranslations in the bible - did Jesus actually say that no one can approach God unless going through him (Jesus)

@geoattoronto

Ай бұрын

You are correct that this is a distortion of the Aramaic.

Thanks James Tabor for this study wich reveals that Jesus peace upon him never claimed he is God but worshipped the God of Abraham jacob and Moses the creator of heavens and earth.

@jacquesvincent3897

10 ай бұрын

COLOSS 1:14 15-16-17.....(ABOUT JESUS ) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Doctor Dimento!! 🤪🚀

16:16 ''The Lord anointed me ,He did not say the Lord anointed the Lord''------------His listeners were mainly poor peasants not mystics .if he said the Lord anointed the Lord, they would have thought the he is mad ,although it would be true

Siri isn't hip on Christian history - obviously. heheh

I don’t see part1 of this

Dr Tabor, can you please explain the conception of Yeshua. In discussions with trinity believers they often use the virgin birth to support their belief that Yeshua is God. Thank you for your explanation.

@geoattoronto

Ай бұрын

That story was added by those who wanted tp make Jesus a god.

@undertheshadowofthealmight1571

10 күн бұрын

Greetings! If you speak English, his name is Jesus Christ. God is the God of all nations, kindreds, peoples, AND TONGUES. ============================================ "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands" (Revelation 7:9). ============================================ Ask them: if there are "three persons" in the Godhead, and the "first person" is the Father of the "second person," how is it that the "third person," not the "first person," caused the "second persons" conception? Until Christ is fully formed in us all, -james

The part about John the Baptist being the greatest prophet born from a woman. This is exactly what you said, born a flesh and blood human. Once we are REBORN of the SPIRIT we are no longer born of a woman, seen? This is why it is also said that the least of those in the kingdom of God is greater than John!

@loganmann811

5 ай бұрын

All women, and all men must be reborn of the spirit to overcome the spirit of the flesh.