Bart Erman studied bible for 30 years before he left Christianity. Many ignorant commenter who criticize Bart Erman is not even 30 years old.

As Mark Twain said of the Bible, "It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies."

@toddtrojek6521

3 жыл бұрын

Gotta love that Mark Twain!

@schorpioen7466

3 жыл бұрын

True

@florrie8767

3 жыл бұрын

Best comment

All these christians are literally pulling quotes from the gospel of John with Ehrman adresses in the interview. Like did y'all even listen?

@derrickcarson

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, so now all of John is invalid bc Bart Erhman says so... Lol

@staysafe6446

3 жыл бұрын

@@derrickcarson if you listen to GOD you know the doctrines of men and devils lie. The real Jesus a lines with what the MOST HIGH commands and the gentiles grafted in their polytheist sun god

I have just recently found you & your videos..... I love them! It's painfully obvious that you know what your talking about. It's sad that so many are in denial of the truth. I'm gonna watch every video you have. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

@way2tehdawn

4 жыл бұрын

An atheist who takes their atheism seriously, refreshing.

best ehrman interview. intelligent questions and the interviewer knew how to keep out of the way and let bart answer the questions.

Terry Gross is a marvelous interviewer.

Such an interesting man. I could listen to him all day.

Thanks for this excellent interview. And, thank you for mentioning "Jesus of Montreal." That is one of my all time favorite movies & I thought I was the only person who has seen it. Knowing that you, a bible scholar, ranks it as your favorite Jesus movie makes me feel very good.

A superb discussion with Prof. Ehrman, a leading expert on ancient Christianity. He is the leading authority on the subjects discussed. Father John Dominic Crossan, another great historian of early Christianity has written that Jesus' body certainly remained on the cross until it decomposed and rotted, and was finally eaten by wild dogs, as was the rule at the time. The books by Father Crossan were best sellers and are readily available.

Thanks Dr. Bart Ehrman for such great insight

Here is the quote from Josephus about saving not one but three of his companions from the cross. Only one survived thoug. "I was sent by Titus Caesar with Ceralius and a thousand riders to a certain town by the name of Thecoa to find out whether a camp could be set up at this place. On my return I saw many prisoners who had been crucified, and recognized three of them as my former companions. I was inwardly very sad about this and went with tears in my eyes to Titus and told him about them. He at once gave the order that they should be taken down and given the best treatment so they could get better. However two of them died while being attended to by the doctor; the third recovered.”

@DBCisco

4 жыл бұрын

In the text called Mark (before the Christians added to the ending), there was no resurrection. "He got up" and went to Galilee is not "He was resurrected from the dead".

Mark 14:60-62 (NKJV) And the high priest stood up in the midst and asked Jesus, saying, “Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?” 61 But He kept silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

Terry Gross asks some very pertinent questions.

Thanks NPR and Bart. Examining religions rationally furthers enlightenment.

What people need to realize is that though HE may have not personally called HIMSELF GOD; HE never rebuked anyone that did.

@letmetalk2240

3 жыл бұрын

Calling someone 'lord' does not mean he is Lord.

@thetruthcartel

3 жыл бұрын

@@letmetalk2240 How about when Jesus called himself the Alpha and Omega?

Loved this interview, and yes I also loved the film 'Jesus of Montreal'. I have only recently, and by accident, discovered Professor Ehrman's work. He has provided answers to my questions of the last 60 years in a clear and erudite manner and for that I am truly grateful to you sir! I am now excitedly waiting for a number of his books to arrive in the post

@AlexanderBor670

4 жыл бұрын

Watch videos of Rav Tovia Singer he has a lot answers to questiond like that.

I take issue with Ehrman's assumption that the only way Pilate would have released the body of Jesus shortly after his crucifixion was strictly an act of kindness to Jesus's followers. The politics of Judea at that time were extraordinarily complicated and it is just as possible that Pilate allowed them to take his body down and bury it in order to send a message to the Jewish elders that, though he allowed them to execute Jesus, that he wasn't about to allow them to dictate to him in all aspects of his rule.

Excellent interview.

There are facts and there are beliefs. Many people cannot tell the difference.

Awesome Interview! I wish I would become either such a good interviewer or a reputable professional.

Simple question to Trinitarian: if God is trinity since the beginning, why Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham did not worship God as the trinity since the beginning? Why trinity is only known since the 1st century ad? Does God subject to time? that he is changed throughout history (time)? First...Jew worship One God... then... Christian worship Trinity... later on... Muslim worship One God - there is something wrong in the middle (Christian's worship) isn't it?

Daniel 7:13-14- In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed. Mark 2:10-11- But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins"--He said to the paralytic, "I say to you, get up, pick up your pallet and go home." That's a pretty clear declaration in Mark

The 374 down votes are telling. A historian that takes his craft very seriously, presents objective evidence in his presentation, yet people can't handle it. What's not to like.

@jimmyjimmy7240

5 жыл бұрын

This isn't objective.

@biggregg5

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimmyjimmy7240 Yes it is

Brilliant--& unusually courageous of PBS to deal with this sensitive issue so frankly. Ehrman lays it all out & ties it all together --not conclusively, which is not possible, but credibly & rationally--at moments almost irritatingly so. That's why the droolingly pious declare rationality the Enemy.

The bottom line is...can you believe in the holiness of the bible? If it was inspired, all accounts of the same event should be identical. There are many differences in the Gospels of his death and resurrection. For example, in Mark, Jesus doesn't say anything while he's being led to the place of crucifixion or while he is being crucified, and while on the cross doesn't say anything until the end when he asks God, "Why hast thou forsaken me"? In Luke he is not silent. On the way to the crucifixion, he sees the women weeping for him and he tells them not to weep for him but to weep for their families. While he's being crucified he says, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." On the cross he has an intelligent convo with one of the robbers and at the end he says, "...into your hands I commend my spirit." Also, who is it that goes to the tomb first? Is is Mary Magdalene by herself or is it Mary with other women? Depends on which Gospel you read. Is the stone rolled away or not? Who do they see there? Is it a man as in Mark, two men as in Luke, or an angel as in Matthew? What are they told? Meet Jesus in Galilee or to stay in Jerusalem? Depends on the Gospel.

@lauriedurnan4863

8 жыл бұрын

+Catherine Adams The difference you quote and are all through the 4 Gospels are exactly what you would expect with 4 different eyewitness accounts. If they were identical you would scream collusion. You will always see differences when you have multiple accounts.

@OurHumbleLife

7 жыл бұрын

+Laurie Durnan, Amen. If 3 witnesses stood before a judge in a courtroom and their accounts were EXACTLY the same without any difference in detail, they would NEVER be believed!!

@lauriedurnan4863

7 жыл бұрын

OurHumbleLife Did you see my post on April 2? I think that answers your question. Did you mean to rely to me or Abu taj Md Mahbub??

@OurHumbleLife

7 жыл бұрын

Laurie Durnan Yes, I saw it. I was agreeing.

@lauriedurnan4863

7 жыл бұрын

OurHumbleLife lol ohh ok, thanks

I have to disagree with Prof. Bart on his conclusion that Pilate would not have allowed Jesus' body to be taken from the cross and given a decent burial based mainly on Pilate's reputation as a brutal and merciless governor. Bart believes Jesus was buried in a common grave among other crucified criminals. Bart also thought that Pilate would not have made an exception in Jesus' because he despised the Jews as unruly people to govern. I think Bart's premises are superficial and a little sloppy. I believe the gospel accounts on this burial issue are more believable due to the following reasons: First. Pilate, during the trials, found Jesus, innocent and was actually willing to release him. To dramatically emphasize his position, he publicly washed his hands to show he didnt want the blood of Jesus on his hands and conscience. Second. Pilate's second attempt was during the annual observance of releasing a Jewish prisoner by the Romans as a gesture of political benevolence towards their subjects. The Jewish crowd would be allowed to choose between two prisoners who they favored for release. Pilate was hoping the crowd would choose Jesus out of pity at the sight of his bloody face and body over Barabbas, a boisterous and violent criminal with some notoriety. Jesus lost out because the crowd was orchestrated by the Jewish leaders in a mock trial in the middle of the night. The followers of Jesus who were present were badly outnumbered and could just watch frustrated and helpless the staged trial. Third. As governor of the region, he also represented the Roman emperor in an ambassadorial capacity among the people's elite composed of rich and influential leaders like the Sadduccees, the Pharisees, rich merchants, rabbis, scribes and members of the Sanhedrin like Gamalieil, joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus. Pilate moved and mixed with them in important state functions. Even even as a governor, he needed the cooperation and support of Jewish leadership who could easily go over his head and go directly to the emperor in Rome to air their grievances and put him on the carpet. Pilate was actually afraid of them for this reason Fourth. Jesus had his own growing following among the people besides his apostles and close disciples. He was very popular as a healer preacher and teacher and even a miracle worker. In others words, he was not a nobody. There would have been a public outcry over his body. Fifth. When joseph of Arimathea requested to be given Jesus' body for burial, Pilate could not have refused Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent figure in Jewish society, thus realizing the extent of Jesus' influence in higher siciety with whom Pilate must have good public relations. Pilate even assigned two Roman soldiers to guard Jesus' tomb per request of the Jewish leaders. Here I rest my case.

@JRobbySh

6 жыл бұрын

if Jesus had a following among the Jewish elites, then how better to placate them with little cost then to allow him a decent burial.

As an exChristian, I know logically Christianity is untrue, but emotionally I have the hardest time letting go. I can’t help but feel like I’ve lost such a big part of my identity and history.

@gordonlynn8300

3 жыл бұрын

I've never believed in religion even as a little kid I realized that this was a con , just like Santa and the tooth fairy.

I’m a fan of his...He continues to give his sources and his logic that supports his philosophies...If you don’t agree then you can always do your own research...An example for me is his use of the word pagan ... By his own definition it means country bumpkin ... Which is great but in one of his books called “ Rise of Christianity” he refers to polytheist has pagans... When they clearly were part of the intellectual group... It’s not until after Theododsius that polytheist become pagans.. That problem is really small and trivial has compared with what you can actually learn from him...For my purposes he’s the best!

Jesus claimed power to forgive sins, Jesus allowed himself to be worshipped, and Jesus indeed called him self God in the whole chapter one of Revelation

@PatrickGreeneFearwriter

8 жыл бұрын

***** Luck to you in your earnest quest brother.

@hoopoe3093

8 жыл бұрын

+Dr. David M. Berman Obviously you never listened to the video carefully! Christians please wake up! He didn't say all these, they were misquoting him. Don't follow your faith blindly bro! Time to wake up and repent! The Bible had been corrupted, full of contradictions and errors! READ IT!

@CosmicLoFi24

8 жыл бұрын

+MountainRecluse I presume you're quoting selectively from one of the 'gospes' none of which are eye witness reports or written by the ones claimed!

@hannibalbarca8689

5 жыл бұрын

@PennsyltuckyPatriot John is not considered historical. It is considered to be purely theological. Nothing that is claimed to have happened only by John is considered to have really happened.

@raphaelalbert8110

4 жыл бұрын

@PennsyltuckyPatriot I respect your sincerity and share your dismay. I reached that point in my faith life about five years ago. I asked myself some serious questions and gave myself some honest answers. I concluded that I no longer believed. Haven't looked back since. There comes a point in life where you have to confront your doubts and make a decision.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was (manifest in the flesh), justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

@hondacbrification

4 жыл бұрын

Curley Washington Jr. Said Flavius Josephus or better know as Paul the Judas that actually never knew Jesus

People may Hallucinate, but all 11 Disciples saw him

the comments are comical. this man has spent many years, countless hours, studied the different languages, earned a PhD in biblical studies, and Cletus from the trailer park with a GED wants to refute him.

@svetlanikolova5557

7 жыл бұрын

what degree do you have? you can have 5 degrees but money and school don't buy you class!

@urwinloefstop

7 жыл бұрын

Ashley grant .god is gonna refute you

@AGRANT716

7 жыл бұрын

Svetla Nikolova I have a degree in common sense among others...

@svetlanikolova5557

7 жыл бұрын

+Razor Stein you might have a degree! who cares? boasting means nothing. your degree is worthless to God!

@urwinloefstop

7 жыл бұрын

i dont have a degree, you believe or dont believe, but you can never try to explain the bible out of sientific view eveeer and you keep talking about god and Jesus? no one gets to the father exept trough hes sun Jesus Christ! Amen.

Wonderful, thankyou Bart, enjoyable, thought provoking, faith provoking and Intelligent. I have spent a little of the day listening to your lectures. Yet, there is something within the stories about Jesus that resonate, and for me it is not so much a matter of it necessarily being THE TRUTH, more about how comforting it is to have something which somehow leads me into the Truth of how I want to live my life.

Bart Ehrman is a dreamer.

@timmyg9601

4 жыл бұрын

He's a nightmare

“I and the Father are one” (John 10:30)

@faisalsiraj9423

4 жыл бұрын

One what?

@EK-sx9ek

4 жыл бұрын

One in sharing the name / nature

@71Hamed

4 жыл бұрын

@@EK-sx9ek One in sharing the same ideas!!! Obviously.

@trinny881

4 жыл бұрын

@@EK-sx9ek Hello Sir! God and Jesus have different names Psalms 83:18 is God's name. Amen

@samisastro8766

4 жыл бұрын

John 17:3 ???

In 10:30 The Parable of the 'Good Shepherd' In Subjection with Observance of Torah, Fulfilling the Words of the Prophet's in Pardes, Paradise.

Perhaps the question itself is misunderstood. "How did he become one?" or "How did he become "One"?" There seems to be two basic truths, duality and non-duality. Perhaps he realized his non-dualistic nature when he went out into the desert for forty days prior to his ministry. The transformation occurred over many days and nights of contemplation of his identity. Something like, "I am Jesus" to "I am that I am" to "I am THAT I am"... He transformed from his conditioned identity to That which is unconditional.

There is more problem regarding Bart's assumptions. How and why did Paul convert from being a pagan to a devout follower? Why did Paul have to suffer and die for Christ the same way the apostles suffered and died for Christ? If the apostles doubted Christ then would it not be reasonable to abandon their claims and live happy lives? So if the gospel of John claims he is Divine how and why did it become so if it contradicts other gospels?

You can't go to the level of understanding the broad angle of prophets. Christ incarnated as Jesus and walked the earth. If you accept or don't accept, Jesus is not at loss

In the Synoptic Gospels, the divine attributes of Jesus, such as His deserving of worship (Matthew 2:11, 28:9; Mark 5:6; Luke 24:52) and His authority to forgive sins as God (Mark 2:1-12), were given emphasis.

Excellent Information! :)

He said and on His knees, fearing the cross, He prayed Father without you I'm nothing. He said clearly, I am the Alpha and Omega. I am the Truth the Way and the Light. He said Love the Father with all of you and Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. He said Forgive and You will be forgiven. He said I am The Son Of Man! He sat with drunkards and mingled among Lepers. He stood up for the prostitute and healed the faithful. He cast out demons. He said the only way to the Father is through me. Call unto me and I will answer. He was tempted but was not. His name is Jesus the Son Of Man. In the beginning there was the Word and from the beginning of the light there was the word.. He said as plain as day that I didn't come to change one jot of Moses law. I didn't come to condemn man but to offer the world salvation. He called Mary Mother in the flesh but , woman in the spiritual form. She was but, a vessel and Chosen by the Father for His only begotten son. He said oh ye publicans you have turned my Fathers House into a den of thieves full knowing his destiny. He spoke in parable to protect His flock from the theology of man. He said pray as a child and the best thing I know was when He said He does not want your chants. My name is Kevin and I believe exactly what was revealed to me by The One Who's image I was created . I feel Him and Smell Him. when I can still my mind He speaks and speaks clearly. He is on the right Hand Of God for He is my new Testament. He has made all things new again for He is Messiah!

@saadsaad4605

3 жыл бұрын

You should pray to The God of jesus to show you the truth.

I do not have any specific belief system. I have only my personal understanding which is the source of our being is divine. So by this understand the words of Jesus and many other spiritual teachers.

Isaiah 9:66 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

@AngelSanchez-zp7uj

3 жыл бұрын

the benediction of a royal kid who one day was to set in the throne and wisely and justly rule over the people. nothing supernatural just the best wishes for the future king or ruler. even today we are always craving for a president to be just to be fair to act with desency to have knowlege and yet what do they do we all know the answer to that. but to claim that this plea is the one thing foretells the coming of the divinity to earth is just so farfetched. one can see the falsehood of this the distortion the scam but yet chose to go along just to be part of a group part of a community and not be rejected but i rather be rejected than to be part of such deseption. worshiping a lie worshipping a man worshipping a dead man even if simbolically this is clearly for all to see the trinity all blasphemys

hello prof Bart I appreciate you sharing with us your knowledge it's really interesting .

@sudaissohail4851

3 жыл бұрын

Strahinja Your ignorance amazes me

First, there are two chapters totaling some 82 pages (22% of the book) on the historical question of Jesus’ resurrection. While these chapters are interesting and present some fascinating data and arguments, they are largely irrelevant for the thesis of the book. At a couple of points, Ehrman indicates that it’s not really important to know whether or not the resurrection happened; what matters is that the disciples (or at least, some of them) believed that it did, and this in turn set off the process of reimagining Jesus’ identity. Why, then, provide 82 pages talking about why you think the resurrection probably didn’t happen? To be clear, I don’t object to the chapters because of the wholesale doubt they articulate about Jesus being buried and raised-I think there’s an important place for this question to be asked in a historical Jesus book or book about the resurrection per se. But it felt to me like the chapters were included more for the purpose of laying out such doubt than for the purpose of furthering the book’s argument about how, in historical terms, the Galilean peasant came to be regarded as divine. Second, in my view Ehrman jumps too quickly to the idea that the exaltation of Jesus is a divinization. He does well to point out passages in the Psalms such as the royal “begetting” of the king as God’s son in Ps 2 and the declaration in Ps 45 that the king is “God.” Moreover, Ps 110 does become a heightened song of praise when Jesus is seen as “the Lord” enthroned, literally, at God’s right hand. And, he is surely correct to argue that applying such passages to Jesus was part of the process of reinterpreting Jesus’ identity as a glorified, heavenly messianic figure. But does all of this mean that the king of Israel was thought to be divine, or that these psalms were so interpreted in Jesus’ case? I think there is another explanation, an explanation we get hints of in a couple of places where Jesus’ resurrection/exaltation/enthronement is precisely the question at hand. In Acts 2, when Peter gives a speech that is largely about the resurrection of Jesus fulfilling the promises of a coming messiah, he provides a quite plausible and sufficient Christology: “Jesus was a man attested by God.” It may be that there is far more capacity for human beings to be exalted, heavenly figures than Ehrman has taken stock of. Similarly, “the resurrection chapter” in 1 Corinthians 15, which is also an enthronement/exaltation chapter, the entire point is that Jesus is the first of a new kind of humanity. Jesus is not raised as God, which would nullify the whole argument about the “second man” who determines the destiny of the rest of the harvest, but as “consummated, idealized humanity.” In my estimation, recognizing the place of exalted human beings to play the role of God throughout the Jewish tradition modulates some of Ehrman’s claims that the resurrection causes Jesus to be regarded as a divine figure in, e.g., the Synoptic Gospels. While I agree with him that the Synoptic Tradition contains an “exlatation” Christology that is an extraordinarily high Christology, I see this as an exalted, idealized human Christology, not a divine Christology per se. In other words, my dissatisfaction has to do with the Christology being too “high”/divine in his reading of the Synoptic Gospels and a couple of other strands of the early Christian tradition.

Jesu say,I can't do anything on my own.I do only ,what God,commands me to do. (John 5:19 :30).

@sudaissohail4851

3 жыл бұрын

Strahinja That means Jesus contradicts himself and can’t be God as God cannot contradict himself

@jakesanservino7500

3 жыл бұрын

@@sudaissohail4851 actually you are both wrong. Read Philippians 2. Jesus gave up his rank in the God head and came to earth. So the Father was greater than He while on earth

Thanks Bart Ehrman, very clear cut situation of how people followed the wrong path and are actually going against the original teachings of Abraham, mose, noah and all the prophets Who worshiped the one true god without any partners..

Wither you agree with professor Ehram's interpretations or not at least he has the openness and courage to allow conversations and criticism on all his videos, unlike a lot of videos you can find from Christians of a fundamentalist persuasion.

A fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own mind. Proverbs 18:2 A prudent man keeps what he knows to himself, but the hearts of fools shout forth their foolishness. Proverbs 12:23

@Grassbax

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting to apply that to evangelical preachers...

@arnoldmaglalang5522

4 жыл бұрын

Knowledge of men nothing to God.

@maxxmabemwe4859

4 жыл бұрын

So you are saying that Jesus was a fool because he did not keep what he knew to himself. If you keep what you know to yourself your children will grow up to be fools, and you would have wasted everything that you learned by taking it to the grave with you. What would the medical profession be if people practiced what you preach?

@janetreece475

4 жыл бұрын

Then John the Baptist was a fool.

@shahidachoudhury6925

4 жыл бұрын

J J How come ?

An atheist told me that he spoke to a Jehovah witness that told him that he would miss out on paradise and that he would no longer exist. When the Jehovah witness told him that hell did not exist, he said "Oh good, now I can live anyway that I want to live without suffering any consequences of hell. He never wanted to go to paradise anyway and he gets to not exist just the way he wants it. No hell and no punishment.

Really..how ever.. thanks..

If God could create the universe why would he need to roll away a stone to get to heaven

@timjansen7694

8 жыл бұрын

Bill Athwal If God could create the universe, why would he bother being crucified? If God could create the universe, why couldn't he just wave his hand and make people beyond indecent acts?

@jannmutube

8 жыл бұрын

Bill Athwal He did it for us, not for himself. The Lord didn't take on corruptible flesh or die for himself. He died for our sake... to pay the price himself for his judgment against us which we deserved... and offer his reconciliation.

@ntsmith715

8 жыл бұрын

+Mike Jansen He bothered to be crucified to save us ,Christ died so we could live .

@timjansen7694

8 жыл бұрын

nt smith How did Jesus's death allow us to live? What are the specifics in that? And beyond that; where no other options for an all-powerful being than to have someone die so we could live.

@ntsmith715

8 жыл бұрын

Mike Jansen The wages of sin is death, Jesus paid our death sentence with his death . There were no other options only Jesus's sinless life could pay the fine so to speak other than everyone being destroyed.

Professor Bart Ehrman, this is a wonderful radio interview, and I appreciate that you put it up on youtube for all of us to enjoy. There is not a separate 'spirit of God' in Hebrew thought. God is an intelligent spiritual Being, and He and His presence (spirit = wind = presence) are One. The Ruach Ha Kodesh is when a human being experiences the Presence of God. This is a consistent view within the Hebrew bible also. The God of the Hebrew bible intervenes in human history when it pleases Him to do so, but He is not bound by His creation, but is rather entirely independent of it. The unity of God is a topic that Jews love.

@mamamtua1112

8 жыл бұрын

+72Yonatan Panentheism yes. And don't forget about the Shekinah. She is the Holy Spirit, the Ruach ha Kodesh. Shalom.

@72Yonatan

8 жыл бұрын

Mamam Tua - Sorry, but God and His Unity are not fractured or splintered. Shekinah means the Presence of God that a human being feels. God does not have separations in Himself.

@mamamtua1112

8 жыл бұрын

Here, in this world, a father and mother are two. But in the supernal world, the two are one yet still Father and Mother.

@72Yonatan

8 жыл бұрын

Mamam Tua - No, they are not. One may call God his parent, either mother or father, but that does not mean that God has any division in His Unity or any human attributes. You are confused.

@72Yonatan

8 жыл бұрын

***** Well, there are some similarities and some differences. Ruach Ha Kodesh is understood in Hebrew as when people feel the Presence of God, and prophets feel that more intensely, depending upon the level of prophecy that individual has attained for himself. Christians try hard [ maybe too hard ] to make everything linear and to classify everything. God and His unity are simple. He is entirely spiritual, and does not depend upon His physical creation or the angels He created. he is entirely independent. Hence He and His spirit are not separate in any way. The only reason that men can feel His spirit in their lives is that we have a spiritual dimension to our own selves - and that spirit - [ soul, whatever term you wish to use] is what sees, is what is human consciousness, and is what communes with God in prayer. Human beings are a combination of spirit clothed in flesh and bones. When Jesus is both flesh and spirit, for a Jew, this means he was merely like all other men, not distinct. The flaw with Christianity is that the Romans wrote the book and made up the faith to promote their own political goals. The emperors of Rome were highly educated, and for them this was part of political science. It was their way to rule over the masses and to challenge Judaism and to censor and rewrite Jewish history so that it would turn out well for Rome. What they did not count on was that many Jews among the common folks were taken in by the deception, and they brought their attitudes and practices with them. So Rome arrested those new christians from among the Jews who might disturb the peace and had them fed to the lions in Rome for entertainment. The irony is that Jewish slave labor helped build the coliseum. The other irony is that many of the early martyrs of the christian faith were either actually Jews or members of the royal family who were somehow killed in disputes about the newly created faith. Flavius Clementine was the first bishop of Rome for the new faith, and he was killed by another family member in a quarrel. The Roman Catholic Church later tried to fill the gap and created mythic popes before him who never actually existed and have no history. The only popes who had recorded family and history are from Clementine onward. Those are the real history of the church, which they try to conceal and hide. What they also do not want you to know is that many of the churches in Italy are built over the sites of previous places of worship that were owned by members of the royal family. See the basilica of Clementine, which contains a Mithraeum reached by tunnels from within the church itself. Whatever licentious acts were committed there we will not know, since they intentionally did not leave any written literature about their cult, which was popular with soldiers and only contained male cult members who were privately initiated in the underground chambers where drinking and feasting and sacrifices and other abominations likely took place. This is the real history of the Roman Christian faith, and it is something most people do not know about. As a Christian, you are not guilty of anything. You were told what to believe as a child, and that is why you believe that a baby popped out from a woman who supposedly claimed that ' god ' made her pregnant. For Jews, this is obviously a pagan myth that the Romans threw into their book to entertain themselves. Also, remember that there was an important dispute mentioned in the Greek Evangelion between James, surviving brother of Jesus, and between Paul, the former Saul of Tarsis - which is a city in Spain. Saul was a Roman citizen and proud of that fact. He also brags about killing the early believers of the church that he would promote after receiving his vision. Now, as an adult, I ask you to take a closer look at all this. As a Jew, I have no compulsion or duty to convert you. Even sincere people wishing to convert now are having a hard time to finish the process. But I ask you to learn about the laws of the Benei Noach community. These laws will be in effect when the messianic age arrives, and any violations at that time will be severely punished. I am studying the subject myself in Mishneh Torah, in the uncensored version of the text. I have no great love for Christianity itself. Its existence as a political and psychological tool in Roman hands was also later used as the source of most of the antisemitic propaganda in the world for the last two millennia. I have no love for the forbidden idea of worshipping both God and an idol side by side. For Jews, the idea of partnership of God with any other deity or pagan concept is absolutely out of the question and is forbidden. But I do view Christians separately and as individuals. I do not also lump all Muslims into the same category merely because a large percentage of them want me dead or because some Arabs have attacked us viciously in the past months, decades, and centuries. They do not have a problem with monotheism in their faith. That much is common between us. However, they have been taught that all christians and jews have somehow changed their scriptures and therefore it is impossible to hold any real religious dialogue with them. I generally avoid it, since I know what the end result will be. If you have other questions, please feel free to ask. Today is the busiest day of the week for me, however, so I cannot promise a speedy reply today. Tonight is the Shabbat.

That’s why many are call but few are chosen!!!

no matter how simply and clearly that people like Bart explain all the confusion, alterations and insertions that are in the Bible, the evangelists will keep banging the same drum. the NT stories have been shown to have turned Jesus from a man to a man- god..

@aniqshardin

3 жыл бұрын

the objective of all main churches in the world will always be power and money.

@mikizhero

3 жыл бұрын

Because his conclusions are based on his own assumptions and conjectures on what happenned. He has no prove that his conclusions are right.

@ChaplainBobWalkerBTh

3 жыл бұрын

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill (Jesus) him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

@gordonlynn8300

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChaplainBobWalkerBTh the Old Testament is a Jewish book , it's their religion that was hijacked by a cult and they didn't believe Jesus was anything but a man .

@clay777

3 жыл бұрын

@@gordonlynn8300 Not true. There are over 300 prophecies in the old testament that Jesus fulfilled. One very clear passage in Isaiah 53 makes you feel as though you are at the foot of the cross. This passage was written hundreds of years before Jesus.

Very interesting interview

I simply dont understand..amazed and perplexed..why is so hard for many people to accept..recognise or conform to the this fact and reality before us.. Dr Ehrman speaks straight foward..everyone can understand.

God in the old testiment said His name was "I Am",Jesus said I Am claming He was God,He even said He was before Abraham which was impossible if He hadn't lived before,so its conclusive that Jesus claimed to be God.

@nobleradical2158

3 жыл бұрын

Many people have said "I am". Are they all God?

@solley4

3 жыл бұрын

@@nobleradical2158 thanks for your reply,could you pls give me some references thanks

the resurrection is not a specific place or time it is imminent to each person as they wake up. Transformed understanding the physical being temporal. Can go in and out finding pasture or as it is also said entering his rest.

classic case of the messenger being seen as more important than the message

@salman13

4 жыл бұрын

that's basically what islam says

@merlenealt4233

4 жыл бұрын

matt c - Yeah - worshipping the creature more than the Creator. Jesus himself denied that he was God when he said, Why call me good, only one is good and that is God. People are worshipping idols and not the One True God.

@samisastro8766

4 жыл бұрын

It has been 2000 years!

@karinesmith6510

4 жыл бұрын

lolll,you must study the subject before to talk.

@chrisyoung5929

4 жыл бұрын

@John Donnellan ",go read 1 John the epistle which says " so we should read an anonymous book written 70/80 years later we don't know where by a person that could have had no direct knowledge of any of the events and offers no explanation of were he gets all the supposed direct quotes. Yet think that will somehow explain why John says different thinks to the other three anonymous versions, Do you have any evidence or just more quotes from the Bible? Have you tried Grimm's Fairy tales? I am sure if you spent years reading them while convinced that they held some hidden truth them you would be telling us all how Goldilocks will save us all.

But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions." Hebrews 1:8-9

Love me some Bart Ehrman.

The Vale was Torn in the Temple as Jesus died on the Cross. There were appearances of Jesus to The Disciples and 500 witnesses after Jesus resurrection.

When he was tempted by Satan in the wilderness, Jesus' response was, among others, "Do not tempt the Lord your God."

@gandalfetemporary5046

4 жыл бұрын

To your logical rational mind, does that statement make sense? Can Satan himself a subservient creation of God Almighty, ever tempt the creator of the Universe. How ? How can the one who possesses everything, knows everything, has power over everything, etc., etc., etc. ever be tempted by a creation he made. Would he not just create another, whatever he wished?

@innerfire2179

4 жыл бұрын

Didn't he preface that with "It is written"?

@humbertothebeliever2443

4 жыл бұрын

Simon Peter who do you say I am? Triniterians keep twisting scripture.

@rustlingbushes7678

4 жыл бұрын

Backstory: Psalm 91:9-12 state that Yahweh will command angels to lift you so that your feet won't hit rocks. Deut. 6:16 says not to test Yahweh. In Matt. 4:6, Satan quotes Psalms, and Jesus quotes Deuteronomy, both Old Testament verses about Jesus' father, not himself. Jesus never called himself Yahweh, God or Elohim.

Pilot did have motivation to release Jesus’ body to Joseph of Aramathea. He demonstrably washed his hands of the deed, and no doubt perceived the innocence of Jesus, relative to the charges made by Jewish leaders of the other criminals. Guilt is very motivating.

Ephesians 2 ፥10 For we are his workmanship,created in Chirst Jesus unto Gods work,which God hatch befor ordained thatwe should walk in them

Why was Jesus executed. Did he reply I am only human or the Messiah

@lesabooth5243

3 жыл бұрын

He was considered to be a political threat to the Roman Empire...also the "thieves" at the crucifixion were not thieves . Interpretation of the word is wrong.

@Niknikolution

3 жыл бұрын

Because he was a fiercely Jewish revolutionary leader of the poor.

@AstariahFox

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus was killed for being son of God, that's the only claim jesus made, john 5:17 But he answered them: “My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working.” 18 This is why the Jews began seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath but he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God. Trinitarians have changed that to say jesus wa killed for being God which is wrong

@meyou5736

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus never said Im God Most High, Jesus said God Most High sent me to the world from heaven, I'm Gods son. Matthew 14:33 Then those in the boat did obeisance to him, saying: “You really are God’s Son.” John 19:7 The Jews answered him: “We have a law, and according to the law he ought to die, because he made himself God’s son.” John 10:36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 1 John 5:10 The person putting his faith in the Son of God has the witness within himself. The person not having faith in God has made him a liar, because he has not put his faith in the witness given by God concerning HIS Son.

A lot of confusion in the comments as to what Son of Man and Christ mean. Christ just means Messiah, the anointed theocratic human ruler. Not necessarily god, and in Jewish tradition , definitely not god. The meaning of Son of Man apparently changed over the years. It is quite a confusing phrase if Son means god. In Jewish and almost all cultures, the son is inferior to the father. So Son of Man would seem to be a servant of man. But in the verses about Son of Man being Lord of the sabbath , in each case the word translated as Lord should be “master” because the Greek is Kurios. These verses are saying that the sabbath is made for man, so man is master of the sabbath (which goes against the Torah which Jesus is quoted as saying must be upheld to the letter.)

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him,32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” John 10

@deluxeassortment

4 жыл бұрын

As Ehrman points out, John was edited with the sole intention of giving divinity to Jesus. It is the only book in which you'll find these references. It was probably originally written without these references, but by the end of the first century, it was riddle with them. Look up any reference to Jesus being god, and you'll always find a John verse, never anything else, with the exception of the trinity, which we know is a Constantine-Era interpolation (or rather council of Nicea Era).

@LS-is-here

4 жыл бұрын

@@deluxeassortment every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord if that doesn't spell it out for ya.....

@liljade53

4 жыл бұрын

@@deluxeassortment in Matthew 23:37 Jesus said something very interesting for a mere mortal “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing." Sounds like something the creator would say.

@chrisyoung5929

4 жыл бұрын

@@liljade53 "Sounds like something the creator would say." So if I say "I'll have to make a better world next time" then that shows that I am the creator of the universe? Mohammad says things like this according to the Quran so is he the creator? But what I really want to know is how you know what a creator sounds like. What does a creator say and how do you know?

@hondacbrification

4 жыл бұрын

ray salmon You Christians are in complete ignorance and blindness but you seek to Judge others but struggle to see your own sinfulness. “I was before Abraham “ ment that he was the one who came with its two Cherubs to se Abraham and eat with him before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.Hence he was implying he is not son of Man but God with “I was before Abraham “

A puzzle for anyone that believe John 1:1, to John 1:14, to John 17:5, then to John 1:1 again > (Rev. 1:8, Rev. 1:11, Rev. 1:17-18, and Rev. 21:5-6), then that person may be able to see how Rev. 2:26-28, Rev. 12:5, and Rev. 19:15 are connected together, which is also connected to what is written in John 16:7-16 and Rev. 21:7. - Amen

@dallasjohnson845

4 жыл бұрын

NO puzzle, if you know mid eastern poetry, they say something, then repeat it saying similarly, but slightly different words, so if you read Revelation like that too, you will understand that most Christians read chronologically, but probably 60% of Revelation is the storu of the New testament of Jesus' time and rehashing of Ezekiel, Daniel, Isiah and the history of God's people up until Jesus' Birth and subsequent demise, Resurrection, a way of telling how Jesus has been watching the development of His Bride, Congregations, translated as 'Church' and this explains why they have things skewed, like the Jehoivah's Witnesses with various failed datings if Christs Return. It isnt to be Chronologically interpreted, in my opinion.It's possible Jesus thought He would return by , before the living Genereation, but The Father said, for him to hold his horses, because Paul thought this too, according to his writings as well.

can anyone understand the new youtube notifications system its weird I may give up youtube?

The Bible says it's Spiritually discerned so if your a believer and have that spiritual understanding of it, then go with it. Don't let anyone take that away from you. Keep the faith!

I wish the host would refer to the Greek and Roman religions as such, in line with how she refers to Christianity. Or she should do the reverse and refer to the mythology of Christianity in the way that she refers to the ancient Greek and Roman traditions. They too practiced religions, no less valid as such than Christianity, whether or not you believe they were true and correct theology. Anyway, just a bit of a pet peeve. Otherwise, this was quite an enjoyable interview, Thumbs up.

"Only in John"

@zeeraksamuel1124

3 жыл бұрын

Mark chapter 14

@theorthoguy9345

3 жыл бұрын

@@zeeraksamuel1124 luke 6:5

He did . You just want to ignore how he did it...the Jews back 2000 years understood what he was saying.

@nathanjora7627

3 жыл бұрын

He didn’t. You just can’t accept that he didn’t. The Jews back 2000 years ago and even now know that Jesus was neither god nor the messiah.

I would be interested in reading a book about Pilate, what crucifixion was likely like, and the historical shape of crosses if Ehrman is considering a topic for a new book.

If Jesus wasn't God, we'd have to invent him anyway.

one last comments. Jesus didnt have to say he is God. He just demonstrated by the works he did. amen

@hrazzak01

3 жыл бұрын

Moses did miracles. He god also?

One thing that God could never know (He could guess, but He could not know for sure)......what it is like to live the short life of a human being, to know that you are going to die, to know that everyone that you love and like is going to die, to know that people suffer, to understand what it is like to be tempted into sin, to know what it is like to be falsely accused, to be betrayed, to love and be loved.... So He came to us as a living person, so that He could know us better, so that He could KNOW that those who try, and fail, deserve forgiveness too

In the new testament when Jesus appears to the disciples after his death in at least some of the instances they don't recognise him at first. This seems to fly in the face of Bart's theory that they were merely having hallucinations of a departed loved one. When he refers to reported instances where many people experience the same "hallucination" at the same time, all reporting to have seen the same thing, he offers no explanation as to how this can be.

Upon putting his finger in Jesus' wounds, didn't Thomas say, "Lord and my God", and didn't Jesus say, "Blessed are those who believe without seeing"? I have not listened to the whole audio yet, maybe Bart addresses this....

If God is the most powerful, the most all knowing and the most wise then why the only thing he could think of [is] only dying on a cross to save his worshippers?

@maulinux1

4 жыл бұрын

Because there is no salvation without change and change can only come from within us. And the death of Jesus on the cross has allowed many to completely change themselves and their lives.

@ronfoss9723

4 жыл бұрын

That was Paul's gospel, not Jesus. Jesus. "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly. Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their. trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." That completely busts the salvation of dying for sins on the cross

@egotrueenemy8991

3 жыл бұрын

@Mark Simons Blind follower your are. Your believes are based on emotions not intellectuals argumentation. Admitted or not you are on the wrong path. Either make a U turn or keep walking. What your answer would be when Jesus would tell you I never knew you, Go away.

amen to "i am" comment

@Sportliveonline

4 жыл бұрын

ego emi

I read this book. I loved this book. I love everything Ehrman writes.

@DBCisco

4 жыл бұрын

Can't think for yourself ? Many flaws in Ehrman's opinions.

What if, in spite of who Pilate was, as Prof. Bart says, I say that Pilate could have granted an axception to let the body of Jesus have a decent burrial upon the request of Joseph of Aramathea is 'highly likely' by basing on the facts that 1. Pilate's wife suggested him not to condemn Jesus, 2. Pilate himself and his superiors did not find any fault in Jesus, and 3. Pilate washed his hands in front of the accusers to show his innocence in the condemnation of Jesus to death?

peace be upon you

In John 20: 26, Thomas calls Jesus God And after eight days again his disciples were inside, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27, Then said he to Thomas, Reach here your finger, and behold my hands; and reach here your hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28, And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29, Jesus said unto him, Thomas, because you have seen me, you have believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

@Waltham1892

4 жыл бұрын

Book of Bilbo 1:1, "In a hole there lived a hobbit." The difference between The Hobbit and the Bible is, we remember who wrote The Hobbit...

The Jews were expecting a Messiah. There is NO indication of a man-god in the OT. Or that a man-god would die for your sins. Christianity is full of contradictions, confusions.

@fearlesscrusader

8 жыл бұрын

Steel Nerves It's no wonder you are ignorant and confused, you have never read Isaiah or Psalms...in fact, Jesus is in every book in the Old Testament. You claim Christianity is "full of contradictions" yet you are unable to cite a single one. So much for your credibility...

@DC-wp6oj

8 жыл бұрын

You should watch some more brilliant Bart Ehrman videos. If you can find me just one paragraph where Jesus himself specifically says "Adam sinned, i am the son of God and through my death and sacrifice all the sin in the world will be redeemed after which you should all worship me if you want to enter heaven" then i will convert to christianity right now. Just one quote from Jesus - a few lines. Thats all i ask.

@dclarion

8 жыл бұрын

fearlesscrusader I have read Isaiah and the Psalms. It is not that Jesus is in every book of the OT, rather, it is that much of the story of Jesus is cribbed from the OT. For a start, you could compare the synoptic passion narratives to Psalm 22.

@eddiecameo418

8 жыл бұрын

Steel Nerves Messiah means "The Anointed" and anointed does not mean a god.

@truthseeker332

8 жыл бұрын

Steel Nerves You're not a big fan of subtlety, are you?

Terry always sounds like she's 25 years old. One of the great radio voices

Question is: Why is Judas considered such a bad guy when what he did was necessary to cause the crucifiction? (Edit: spelling) 😉

@BrewsterPeterson999

4 жыл бұрын

How can Judas be a bad guy when he did God's Will also? Right?

@drrydog

4 жыл бұрын

It's best understood when you realize that there is no such thing as "the will of the father" or even "god" to begin with. then the pieces fit properly

@mh4zd

4 жыл бұрын

I wondered that myself, until I realized that it stems from flawed story crafting. Here's another one: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son." If you or I were to "give" our son in the way being inferred here, would God., in his example with Christ, or you and I have done something more worthy the qualifier "so' (SO loved the world)? God in fact did not "give" his son but for three days, and making it even less impressive, he did so knowing full well that he'd have him back in three days. We're supposed to be awed about the love and the sacrifice. This is the writers intention. Did he not get the memo on what exactly transpired? My guess is that there were a lot of cooks in the kitchen over several decades as this religion was fomenting. Ehrman for one talks about the different and conflicting philosophies born out by the gospels.

@qitzpaquitojr.reston2337

4 жыл бұрын

what do you mean God’s will?

@sbludba

4 жыл бұрын

Christians should honor Judas.

Great interview. One can learn so much from this man.

@sphagbog

3 жыл бұрын

Do check what he says though. Jesus dies claim to be God in the other Gospels. Don't just listen to Bart and assume he is correct

@matthewsteele5229

3 жыл бұрын

@@sphagbog sure, Jesus claims to be god in a gospel written 90 years after Jesus himself dies and at least 70 years after early Christians started treating him like god. The confirmation bias is strong with this one.

nice now Christians are learning the truth. nice job bart...god bless you

@valdimlajr

8 жыл бұрын

+duke of york you are free to prove that, you can't debunk history.

@bowrudder899

8 жыл бұрын

+Kashi Khan Do you reject Islam, like Bart Ehrman does?

@kashikhan760

8 жыл бұрын

+bowrudder ..no nigga..i only reject what Christians believe

@valdimlajr

8 жыл бұрын

+gts3004 how do you know, do you have the truth? It's all based on the bible and history. Dispute it if you can.

@timspangler8440

8 жыл бұрын

+Ξẙ≡ШᴧᴙᴎṲḂ4Ξẙ≡8Ṳ Myths? Is Jesus...the most influential person in history...a myth?

There is one God no has anyone partner child,.... Thats the monotheism

@brothermagdi5637

3 жыл бұрын

Amonite also beileve that no other god except Amon-are they true faith??

@DiscoveringSalvation

3 жыл бұрын

@@brothermagdi5637 MAY THE LORD JESUS THE CHRIST BLESS EACH AND EVERY DAY OF YOUR LIFE, AND ALL YOUR LOVED ONES. AMEN.

@merromerro1618

3 жыл бұрын

@@brothermagdi5637 the Pharohs never said that he was one God they had their trinity which is Isis, Osiris and Horus while Amon is just a "unification" of these gods whilst GOD the God of Abraham is ONE one in "identity and number"

@merromerro1618

3 жыл бұрын

@@DiscoveringSalvation Christ acc. to you wasn't able to save himself from death despite being a "god" meanwhile acc. to me is a profound honorable prophet whom God approved to his prayers like he always did before and saved him from humiliation

@sticky59

3 жыл бұрын

@@merromerro1618 Yes, you got the first part spot on ........ but there was never only one god ! Why people believe in this one god stuff is beyond me, when you only have to look to the Sumerian clay tablets for the origins of all of it ...... and for some strange reason people don't believe what was written thousands of years before the bible was even thought of, but prefer to believe what some men wrote and compiled into what is called the Bible ..... pure madness !

Terry Gross is the Goddess of appropriate radio! A real thumper!

Romans 1 : 3 "........... regarding His Son, who as to his human nature, was a descendant of David......."

@burnadze

4 жыл бұрын

Are you idiot? If you pick a random verse from chapter and ignore everything around OBVIOUSLY you can proof anything. How about John 10:30 “I and father are one”. ????? How about Mathew 11:27 “Only those who Son will want to enter heaven will enter” How about John 5:33 “Because father gave ALL judgement to Son”

@sven8674

3 жыл бұрын

​@@burnadze depending your faith with 3 verses whom you even dont know who wrote is, remarkable.

Hosea 11:9 "...... for I am God and not man" (God speaks). John 8:40 "... and now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth" (Jesus) John 4:24 - God is a spirit and you shall worship Him in spirit and truth. Luke 24:36-39 .... a spirit has no flesh and bones as you see I have (Jesus). There is no denying Jesus is the sinless Son of God. He is the Mediator between God and Man. God works miracles through Him. He is above all men.

@ThePatriots2012

9 жыл бұрын

To a Hebrew who used the term 'Son of David, Son of Abraham' etc. it meant 'descended from.' Ben David, Ben Abraham, Ben Elohim. Jesus descended and ascended. Jesus is the spirit. 2 Cor 3:17

@axeist92126

9 жыл бұрын

OurHumbleLife If one reads John 1 in Moffatt, it says "the Word was divine" so "the Word was God" should be in an adjective sense, meaning Jesus has all the qualities of God but it still remains that the Father is the true God. Also, Hebrews 1:8 in Moffatt and NWT say "God is thy throne". John 1 in the New World Translation says "the Word was a god" and that supports the false Jehovah's Witness belief that Michael the Archangel came to the earth as Jesus; if one reads Hebrews 1, even in the NWT, no angel sits beside the Father so MtA is not Jesus.

@shamstar2k

9 жыл бұрын

Ludwig vonGrein Why Gospel of John? It's the last Gospel of the 4. Jesus pbuh went from a Prophet of God as taught by his brother James. To being a spiritual Angel- letters of Paul, the Son of God - 3 Gospels, onto being god himself in John's Gospel. Experts on the Bible say when you read John's Gospel, it's hard to know when the narrator is speaking and when Jesus pbuh is speaking and then it dawned on them, Jesus pbuh is not speaking, rather whoever wrote the anonymous Gospel of John was speaking for both of them, ie putting those words on his lips!

@axeist92126

9 жыл бұрын

sham star the bottom line is Jesus is the Son of God in John 20:31. Jesus calls God out in Matt 27:46. When He is resurrected His state of being remains flesh and bone (Luke 24:36-39).

@Bonaparte3922

9 жыл бұрын

These Argentine Christian will show you that Jesus will get the SAME praise, worship, glory and blessings as his Father in Revelations 5:12-14 One of my favorite verses in the KJV or NIV that I use is Zechariah 12:10 "Mourning for the One They Pierced" Who is he? Jesus Christ. This is Jehovah God that I prefer the name YHWH who is speaking in this verse. 10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[a] of grace and supplication. They will look on[b] me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son The key Phrase on this verse to concentrate is "THEY WILL LOOK ON ME (YHWH) SPEAKING. THE ONE THEY HAVE PEIRCED (THAY IS JESUS). THIS VERSE IS CONTINOUS. JUST REMOVE THE PARENTHISIS. READ THE VERSE IN FULL THAT IS ONLY ONE. PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THIS VERSE IS TRYING TO SAY. THANK YOU

All you upset and indignant responders have no shot at knocking down Ehrman---he is too damn learned on the topic. Spouting bible verse alone is not a realistic rebuttal. You "know" the bible is truth because, well.....you simply "know". No proof, no logic, is required (or available) for your belief.

@seans5289

5 жыл бұрын

David Anewman trying to disparage your opponents by equating their position to your own may not have the effect you think it does.

@richardduffy8782

5 жыл бұрын

He may well be learned, but when he expounds on the Meanings of missing items in the gospel of Judas for instance, he shows unprofessional ism. And maybe ignorance. I'm not a Christian by the way.

@jimmyjimmy7240

5 жыл бұрын

Don't need the Bible to argue with this guy, he just hasn't offered much concrete evidence.

I agree with Ashley. If someone wants to refute anything here, then they should try to do this reasonably. Many people are not even incapable of coming up with refutations through their intellect, but they intentionally shut it off, due to thinking that intelligence is anti-faith or something. They don't realize that people in the NT are making logical points, such as Peter in Acts 2, Paul in 1 Corinthians 15, and the writer in Hebrews 1. So, when I argue online about the book of John, I try to use the internal evidence to define what John is saying. Wayyyyyyy too many people are painting John with Trinitarianism. I actually don't even agree with Bart about the height of the Christology in John, but I would actually give reasons why, not, "I know that I know" or "you have to have the Spirit to understand" or "you're not even a Christian" etc. Sometimes you wonder how some of these people remember to breathe. :\

If Jesus thought that God's Kingdom would come where there were no wrongs and no suffering, why did he say "It is impossible that sin will not come about but woe unto those through whom it does!"