I love how far back you go to build the lesson. So glad I found your channel. Thanks!

Dr. Tabor, that was a fantastic video, and I greatly appreciate the very fair way you treated not just Paul but the entire concept of "who is a Jew", which as you pointed out is a very complex problem and not easily solved. Paul describes the "faith of Abraham" as being an entry point, which in other New Testament letters is linked to "works of righteousness"--if you have true faith, you will do the works of righteousness. The relationship between faith and works is interesting, because acts of righteousness do not require that one believe in a deity or belong to a religion. However, faith implies a belief in something, or someone. It is this "faith IN..." that can create divisions and us-vs-them mentalities, while a focus on having a pure heart can be embraced by everyone. Thank you so much for posting this video, I was so disappointed when it ended since it seemed like there was more!

@matrixlone

2 жыл бұрын

It can also tie into the controversy of keeping slaves ....how one can be of the seed of faith of Abraham which means the slave laws would apply to those people as well..

@mynameisjonboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@matrixlone not sure what you mean, please explain. Do you mean that since Abraham owned slaves that the seed of Abraham are considered slave owners as well?

@knows_too_much

2 жыл бұрын

Its not actually a complex problem at all. The only reason it is "complex" is because most people are ignorant and many people misuse terms and mix things up so much so that nobody can understand and have a clear and proper definition for anything. If you forget about the term "Jevv" and instead look at 2 much more well defined things instead - who is ethnically Hebrew-Canaanite (the Israelites were a sub-group of that ethnos, which icluded other groups such as the Moabites, Amonites, Edomites), and who is religiously Jevvish? (and of course if you really want to be accurate, you need to break Jevvish down to which sect of Judaism, because in the 2nd temple period you had plenty. Today you have mostly various Phariseeic-Rabbinic sects but also Qaraites as well). Also, Tabor demonstrated alot of ignorance regarding ethnicity and genetics in this talk. Woody Allen and most "Ashkenaz Jevvs" in general are ethnically alot closer to Jevvs from 2000 years ago than he might think due to his ignorance on the topic. Genetic studies proved this many times. You can also just take a look at the Samaritan Priests who are very much ethnically Israelites and see with your own eyes. And regarding Jevvs from Pan-Arabaist countries (notice I don't use the nonsensical terminology "Arab countries"), such as Sephardic and Mizrahi Jevvs, they are also proven to be ethnically Hebrew-Canaanite with diaspora admixture.

WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU? By Francois Gautier. Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality. 1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted 2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik 3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak. 4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman. 5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools. 6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it. 7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure ! 8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead. 9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest. 10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion) 11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi. 12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy. 13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic ! 14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship). 15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy 16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan. 17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study ! 18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped. 19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism! "Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family) 20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival. Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year. 21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu. 22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved. 23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu! 24) You know that Hinduism ☺ is a way of life, with considerable freedom. 25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe! 26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint. 27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily) You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu! This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!! There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every direction "

A good part of this discussion and misunderstanding comes from the Church selling their followers this fantasy of one "Bible" that is composed of both the "Old" testament and the "New" testament as one unit and that supposedly the "old" is now useless. That, coupled with the utter ignorance of Judaism in the Christian community, which makes them unable to recognize all the clear signs of Jesus' Judaism

Great subject! But I think your presentation is compromised by the implicit assumption that Judaism is a fixed pole in its relationship with the emerging Christian movement. Especially after the destruction of the temple, Judaism was forced to undergo a major reconceptualization of itself, away from a temple / sacrifice / priesthood based religion with a diverse array of schools of thought and into what became rabbinic Judaism. *Both* poles were moving, Judaism *and* Christianity; and it seems a fair question to ask in what ways Judaism's revised understanding of itself reflects a reaction to the Christian movement.

@crisseven1764

2 жыл бұрын

Christianity is not a new religion. It is the continuation of Biblical Judaism which is not the same as rabbinic Judaism which was made by the rabbis in the first century to keep the Jewish people from knowing their Messiah Yeshua. Golan Brochi, from One 4 Israel ministry has great videos on this.

@cyrilsneer5957

2 жыл бұрын

@@crisseven1764 nope

@schnellster1

2 жыл бұрын

Also to note, Jesus until he was crucified explicitly mentioned he came for Jews, but post resurrection as 'narrated' by the Gospels(could be made up) extended the salvation to entire world!!!

@cyrilsneer5957

2 жыл бұрын

@@schnellster1 Joshua the christ will still come back for the Jewish people

@schnellster1

2 жыл бұрын

@@cyrilsneer5957 as per Jesus it was supposed to happen before some of the eye witness at Jesus time would die....later apostles still believed it would happen, and later it was picked up by Muhammad..about the judgement day

Nice opening music, St. John Passion I believe it was. Fitting for your talks haha

Joh 10:24 So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, Joh 10:26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Who did the art on the video (cover)?

My goodness, this was fascinating... Thank you!

Dr. Tabor, your Biblical scholarship speaks to my condition.

Great lecture (as usual) Dr. Tabor! I really appreciate your relaxed though reasoned, measured and precise style. I'm no expert on this area of history but I have an observation which I am sure is probably elemental to those like yourself who are. Is it demonstrably correct to say that during and after the Jewish rebellions of A.D.66 -70 and Bar Kokhba A.D. 132 - 136 the tendency of early Christians to distance themselves from Jews was accelerated? Or was this process well underway by then?

Another good lecture by Dr. Tabor.

OMG I almost passed out when it ended. You were just getting to the good stuff with the Evyonim. Is there a part 2?

One may not cast another From the love of God Our Eternal Mother

If one beliefs in YHVH, one should not forget, that YHVH is not subject to time, past, present or future, He Is , is His name, resulting to me that He is continuealy maintaining His Creation. HE is the very moment we are living in wright now. This view matches facts as His unchangeable character, seeing all, knowing all, and standards to enter in His Kingdom. Therefore no change in His creation is even possible, we the people make the changes, by our beliefs or so called understanding. YHVH said, because of My Name I ....... Mozes understood this as he reminded Him on the Mountain while pleaing for His People, and promise to Abraham. Everything YHVH utters becomes eternal instantly, ..... until He silences.

Please post the rest!

Great lecture Dr. Tabor! Could you please address a further point to further complicate things, namely that the term "Jew" was originally a tribal specific designation associated with the tribe of Ju-dah. So while Jews comprised 1/12 of corporate Israel, not all Israel were "Jews"! Then further elaborate on the division of the House of Israel from the House of Judah where the apostate House of Israel were then considered "Goyim" or Gentiles (anyone outside the parameters of the Covenant). And then further elaborate on the many prophesies dealing with the regathering of the scattered 10 Northern tribes and how Yeshua claimed to be sent "only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel" and with Paul's mission to the "Gentiles". But first define "Gentiles" as while the 10 tribes were considered "Gentiles" by the House of Judah, not ALL Gentiles were descendants of the 10 tribes!!! Also, you have James writing to the 12 tribes scattered abroad, as well as Peter in his epistles where he seems to be focused on the Northern tribes of Israel... I should add for the sake of confusion the fact that the Greek word for church is NOT ekklesia like everyone says it is! It's Kuriakos, a word that never refers to people and is not in my Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words! Yet ekklesia is used about 100x in the Septuagint in reference to Israel. So when we come to the NT and find the same word "ekklesia" being used in reference to the same people what are we to think!?! The concept of another entity falsely called "the Church" (i.e. Christianity) is foreign to Scripture! Anyway, looking forward to your new book! Shalom!

@michaelsmith9453

Жыл бұрын

@@terencechambers7479 That's correct Terence! The only point I would like to clarify is that the "congregation" (i.e. ekklesia) is the SAME group of people, Israel! While Paul clarifies in Rom.9-11 that "not all Israel is Israel" and that SOME, not all, of the natural branches had been "cut off" because of unbelief there has always been a righteous remnant, the true natural branch that has remained to which the "unnatural branches" (i.e. Gentiles: ANYONE outside of the "covenants of promise", Eph.2) are to be grafted into. Into the "Israel of God" (Gal.6:16)!

@user-fq4yz5ek3r

11 ай бұрын

"I should add for the sake of confusion.." 😂 Love great comments!

Great lecture Dr. Tabor! Love you and Bart Ehrman.

@sevilledeville3611

2 ай бұрын

Do you love me, 🍪, 🐻?

It's interesting that you say that Abraham didn't believe in Christ and I am with you on that 100% but many Pentecostals and neo-evangelicals are taught that Abraham did believe in Christ and not just "Christ" as in a messiah but as in Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ of God. I've heard this in several different churches. Very odd because you don't see that when reading Genesis. That has to be forced in later.

@lutkedog1

2 жыл бұрын

Nazareth did not exist at the time of Paul

@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388

Жыл бұрын

Abraham met Him as Malki- Tzadok and gave Him the Tithe

@GizmoFromPizmo

Жыл бұрын

@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 - Right but we don't have any scriptural evidence that Abraham understood him to be Jesus of Nazareth. Abraham lived before a lot of Christ's importance was taught to us. It wasn't until Moses that we would receive the Law and understand the significance of all the things that would be the fulfillment of Christ's advent. I mean, think about it. Did Abraham know the story of Adam and Eve? Maybe but until Moses wrote it down, we don't have any real hard and fast teaching in the post Flood world.

@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388

Жыл бұрын

@@GizmoFromPizmo Abraham would know of Adam and Eve, although it may not have been the biblical version. As all civilizations had the counterfeit mother son imagery The very fact that Abraham recognized Malki- Tzadok and acknowledged His superiority over the priesthood which would come though his loins, shows he knew a lot more than people around him: Although i agree that we have it more clear than the people before the cross

Fascinating!!

In 96CE Nerva gave the gentile Christians a "divorce" from the Jews and Jewish "Christians" (if one can even assert such a name as a descriptor). So, the separation had to have begun even before the second century.

Great presentation!

Your so right about Christ, he brings it all together. Your statement about the Jews is absolutely correct. Truly loved this video. Now I know I am not the only one who believes in the same idea. Thank You!!!

Excellent lecture.

We have evidence of Nazarites/Ebionites, but do we have any evidence of groups-contemporary to them-following Paul (ie, the version where keeping Torah is ok but unnecessary)? Thanks!

The New Testament clearly teaches the "the last days" had already arrived. The Book of Hebrews says, "Hath in these LAST DAYS spoken unto us by His Son..." Peter quotes Joel who said, "And it shall come to pass in the LAST DAYS, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh". The idea that it's pointing to some future time has to be read into the scriptures. The Last Days started 2,000 years ago. Jesus is the Prince of peace and the period of global peace is upon us. There are no nations, which are ruled by God fighting wars with each other. World peace is here, if we want it. God is not our problem. Do you want to be at peace? Then allow God to rule over you.

@lutkedog1

2 жыл бұрын

Some standing here will not taste death..... apparently you are left behind according to your belief.

@MinisterRedPill

Жыл бұрын

The last days in their time was the "end of the age" not the end of the world. Their age ended when the temple was destroyed. The current age is almost over through, and God shall return although not how you expect Him to

Your generosity, James Tabor, is legendary. I just love listening to your lectures. Something that keeps coming up when this subject is discussed is the anglicized "Jehovah" or quasi-Hebrew "Yaweh", both of which are renderings of Tetragrammaton which according to a lot of old Hebrew texts I've read has been said to be the the unpronounceable name of god. Years ago, being the somewhat obsessive-to-a-fault armchair religious synchretist/historian, I began to look into possible meanings of the four Hebrew letters that make Tetragrammaton what it is. I struck out over and over again until I began to approach the Kabbalah. This all began to take place a few decades ago and in the years between then and now, I've wandered down some roads that really have grown quite esoteric and have come out into some pretty surrealistic clearings within the thick forest of letters looming high about me in all directions. One of my favorite is a definition that applies a familial role to each of the letters of Tetragrammaton - Yod being the father, heh the mother, vau the son and the final heh being the daughter who then becomes the mother, thus altogether representing an eternal generation and regeneration of all things. Then having studied a little further into it all, I find plenty of evidence to support the Hebrey Bible being a back-translation of the Greek Pentateuch and Septuagint. This sent me down a rabbit hole in search of the Greek word that might have been back-translated as YHVH. The results are numerous, but overall, they all unsurprisingly seem to refer to a figure of great authority. Then there's the curiosity that I can't shake no matter how many times I read the refutations of various thinkers and scholars all of whom are probably thousands of times smarter than I am, and that is the fact that Jeheshua, a possible spelling of the Latin/Anglicized Jesus, could be spelled YHShVH - basically Tetragrammaton with a shin slotted into the center, a letter with Kabbalistic connotations of "change" and "fire". I'm not saying I've put a whole lot of stock into the whole thing. It just interested me to an enormous extent. And I suppose that the most fascinating aspect of the whole thing for me is the fact that it's so comfortable and acceptable for modern Christians to use Tetragrammaton, this unpronouncable name of God, in such a bastardized way, given, of course, that the initial "unpronouncable name" thing was all nonsense to begin with. Anyway, that's a very long comment, and I appreciate that you're probably a busy man with more interesting things to pursue. But that you are knowledgeable when it comes to this topic is incontrovertible. If you, or any of your subscribers with some insight into this matter were to get back to me with some kind of explanation that grants me some clarity on the matter, I would consider myself forever in your debt. Buddhism is awesome! I've spent a whole lot of time studying Buddhist writings, too, and have yet to find something therein that contradicts anything else therein. And even if I ever did, I'd quickly find myself capable of dismissing it as just another absurdity the contemplation of which might, even if only for a moment, one day lead my selfish yet striving ass to samadhi. What a splendidly, seemingly incorruptible philosophy for life and potential mode of escape from this confining cycle of samsara.

@mdcom1805

8 ай бұрын

I just wanted to say, I admire your tenacity and I found your comment super interesting. Thank you for taking the time to post

Correction @ 3:45 ish - "Turned to idols to serve the true and living God," is actually - "turned from idols" so as not to confuse some. Otherwise thank you, you're very much appreciated. We know what you meant

I've come to the opinion that Christianity is basically a philosophy based on verses taken out of their historical and cultural context primarily from Paul's writings.

@billybobwombat2231

2 жыл бұрын

It's an exploitive social system that's been spread worldwide via nefarious schemes that exploitive regimes use to help enrich them by plundering resources that aren't theirs to exploit. They only use a god to lend some credence to their nefarious desires.

They are all just labels that can never adequately describe any single individual and have different meanings at different time periods and different locations.

The early believers that Jesus was Lord were kicked out of the temple and the synagogues, were ostracized by their families and beaten in the marketplaces. That is when the separation began. Jewish believers often held onto the traditions in order to evangelize within their own people, but they were considered separate and anathema.

Abraham was chosen by God before works-but also before faith.

This is all very interesting

Christianity started officially in A D 313 when an edict of Milan was proclaimed by the Roman government and 27 books written in Greek were supplied to use to replace all books and gospels at that time.

@davidlafleche1142

2 жыл бұрын

Christianity began when God gave clothes to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3.

@billybobwombat2231

2 жыл бұрын

When a fascist state, Rome, adopted it as there spiritual arm to screw over the population, they refined a model to allow a exploitive regimes to have a "spiritual arm" that was tasked with destroying indigenous cultures that needed to be either destroyed or domesticated so they could be used to further enrich the exploitive state, it's a total scam.

@thedude9941

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree with that 100%. Christianity as we know it started the destruction of the temple in 70 CE.

@lutkedog1

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedude9941 Christianity started with Paul.

@thedude9941

2 жыл бұрын

@@lutkedog1 I said Christianity as we know it today, before the destruction of the temple you still had Christians that made sacrifices at the temple and some that kept Jewish law, that all changed after the destruction of the temple, which is when I would say what we know as Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism today both started.

Thanks

There is a semetic version of tree worship of Asherah she is represented as a pole or a tree near Cananite religious locations to honour the Urgaratic mother goddess, Asherah consort of ELI. And its said that the Israelites imported elements of Asherah poles from the Cananiites.

@zamiel3

2 жыл бұрын

Then God said, "Let us make man in *our* image, after *our likeness;"* The old stories get mixed in with the new.

thx bro excellent teaching,,,, u say it much better than i do,,,, shalom 1of2wits

Actually in Classically Christianity The Liturgy that we called The Liturgy of the Catechumen’s. Is very similar to Jewish Temple Service. Remember Judaism after the Temple destruction changed from a sacrificial religion.

I think the problem is not clearly making the difference between “Israelite” and “Jew” many people use both terms interchangeably

The Ressurre tion of Death for months is the next issue amid ww3 or crisis. Pastor JBAlmeida Brazil.

Born 2 Times, Heavenly Born 1st Time, Physically Born-again, 2nd Time, is REQUIRED, Spiritually

James i heard it; saw you saying you are buddhist, by the way which bar were you in? anyways, as you said a catholic is still a Jew ,if he happens to be of Jewish descent. this is the problem in India, (it is more relevant now) as a believer in Jesus, not only me but all Christians in my country , have to face a stark reality. We are reminded 24x7 that we are basically hindus. similar aspects of judaism and hinduism; culture, ethnicity . enlightening topic.

@4clempt

2 жыл бұрын

Your premise is wrong, that Judaism is a religion. It is not. It is a Tribal culture. The question of who is a Jew is who is a member in good standing, who has a “citizenship card”. If an American citizen moves to France, they still have an American citizenship.

@Geraldinopauldesouza

2 жыл бұрын

@@4clempt you are confused. Religion is attributed to formalistic ritual and worship. Citizenship is not culture nor religion. A Jew is a citizen of Israel.an American non Jew cannot claim Israeli citizenship, besides non Jews cannot become Jews by descent, but we call them proselytes , Samaritan, gentile.

@4clempt

2 жыл бұрын

@@Geraldinopauldesouza Norhing is more encapsulating of the true Imperialistic Essenes of Christianity than preaching to Jews about Jews. You are a good soldier of the Supreme Empire of god Zus.

@4clempt

2 жыл бұрын

@@Isaac-hr8ug Isaac wasn't an Israelite. The Criminality of Christianity and the ways victims of Christianity manifest the damage it caused them, pose a mortal danger to me and to my family. You don't have a right to be offended by the TRUTH. I don't give a shit about other people's beliefs, I am a Jew, not a predatory Imperialist Christian, but Christianity ITSELF and your efforts to fix the problems its demonic founders caused you, is at MY PERSONAL expense. The spilled blood of my murdered ancestors including my IMMEDIATE family is calling to me to do something to protect myself and my children from more of the same.

@knows_too_much

2 жыл бұрын

@@4clempt Both of you have a poor understanding in the topic of ethnicity and genetics regarding this question, much like Dr. Tabor himself (sadly he demonstrated alot of ignorance here). Here is the post I made which briefly answer this "problem": Woody Allen and most "Ashkenaz Jevvs" in general are ethnically alot closer to Jevvs from 2000 years ago than you might think. Genetic studies proved this many times. You can also just take a look at the Samaritans and see with your own eyes. And regarding Jevvs from Pan-Arabaist countries (notice I don't use the nonsensical terminology "Arab countries"), such as Sephardic and Mizrahi Jevvs, they are also proven to be ethnically Hebrew-Canaanite with diaspora admixture. Now, regarding who is a "Jevv", since the term has been misused and misunderstood by pretty much everyone due to various historical reasons, you should forget about that term and instead examine who is an ethnically a Hebrew-Canaanite (the Israelites were a sub-group of that ethnos, which icluded other groups such as the Moabites, Amonites, Edomites), and who is religiously Jevvish? (and of course if you really want to be accurate, you need to break Jevvish down to which sect of Judaism, because in the 2nd temple period you had plenty. Today you have mostly various Phariseeic-Rabbinic sects but also Qaraites as well)."

@ about 36:00 … is that where the term “skin graft” is derived from? Because that would just make so much sense … and hilariously so

As always, fantastic. Growing up evangelical, I was taught what Paul and Jesus was said to have said. Then I’d actually read Paul and the Gospels and found I couldn’t make heads or tails of half of it. I’d read Romans and basically have no idea what I’d read half the time, except for the ethical guidance. However, Jesus and Paul by Dr Tabor brought tremendous clarity and made a lot of mystifying things clear, or if that was not possible, clarified what the interpretive issues were. What a great book and gift to anyone who is trying to figure out what these ancient writers are trying to say, not what we want them to say.

@Find-Your-Bliss-

2 жыл бұрын

Read Father Richard Rohr for insights into Paul.

Paul said -God choose to reveal his son in me. This statement summarizes everything about Paul.

From a Muslim side. Its very interesting to observe that in Genesis, ALLAH has often given the blessing to Abraham's children rather than Isaac alone as Jews and Christians Claim.... This is very much parallel with the Quranic's narrative of bringing back Ishmael to the blessing as he was excommunicated by his cousins(Isaac's descendants).

@elsjemassyn8921

2 жыл бұрын

In the book of Jasher Isaac cried when his brother Ishmael died. They were very close bonded. It's Sarah and Hagar that faught with each other not the brothers. Also in Abraham Ishmael and Isaac descendants until today are bonded by blood. Unfortunately they have still not realized it's the two mother's that are still in spirit keeping them apart. I have seen Jews and Muslims stand together IN LOVE against animal cruelty. They have realized their fight is not against each other their fight is to stand up as one against lovelessness, cruelty, jealousy. Once they realized that they unite against the true "invisible" enemy that is causing division among them they have conquered the "real" enemy

@chexterkat

Жыл бұрын

Nobody gives af about the quran

@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388

Жыл бұрын

Although Ishmael is blessed beyond measure, The Promised child is Isaac as Ishmael is the child of the flesh. and that’s why the covenant was repeated with Isaac and then Jacob again

Awesome discussion,Judiasm is one tribe we should actually say the Israelite faith

That guy Paul must have been on some serious drugs 🤣🤣

No one ever talks about Abraham's second wife Keturah and the sons that they had together, mentioned in Genesis 25.. Why not? JESUS and Paul called HIS followers the Elect mentioned in Matthew 24:22,,31and Romans 8:33. What is the difference between GOD'S Elect and Christians. Please explain. Thank you.

I Like what he arrives at in terms of the decision of a change but what he’s missing is that the living Christ was there in the beginning and is there me and he is the alpha and the omega he quoted Deuteronomy even to Lucifer when you stepped in the desert and he often spoke of Abraham and Abraham‘s children so the key point is that Christ fulfilled the law he didn’t change the way he fulfilled the law and there is a change through it

Nature is God. If you understand quantum physics & Shamanism, you will understand that everything has consciousness due to the structure of reality being conscious. I am God You are God What is not God … we forget this and defile everything…

God = Life "I am come that you might have Life and have it more abundantly." By definition there can be only one all-inclusive Absolute Being (Life) in which all relative beings live, move and have their Being. We are all It (Life at Larege) to an unknowable/inexhaustible extent, as the facets of a Diamond are 'both' distinct from each other 'and' the Diamond itself. Love is the recognition of our shared Being.

On the day of Pentecost, ten days after Christ ascended into heaven to get His kingdom which is the church of Christ. (ACTS 2)

" even the Elect shall be devive

Honored to be the 444th comment..I greet you in the Name Above All names The EL above ALL el's EL ELYON EL SHADDAI YHUUH Adonai and Ruach HA KODESH YHUUSHA 3 in 1 1 in 3 not a TRINITY but the ONE who has Been for ETERNITY! SHALOM🕊

Christianity began when jesus appeared to mary after the resurrection. Its that simple.

Why wouldn't Paul have gone to hear Jesus? They were contemporaries. Paul was sort of inner circle in Jerusalem and would have been there for three pilgrimage feasts a year when Jesus was. How did Paul miss the entry into Jerusalem, the crowd's sudden turn a couple of days later for Barabbas, the ghosts wandering the streets? How did curiosity about this guy who had turned the Sanhedrin on its head NOT intrigue Paul? And wouldn't some eye-witness nuggets in his letters solidify his position in the new church? The answer to these questions is that Paul is an embroidered literary device, too. ANY time you have a bunch of people grouping up, you're going to have WOLVES come in--that much they got right. But the reason is that people are power and more people are more power. We see this ALL the time in groups of master gardeners to little ol' ladies sewing blankets for the homeless. One or two people who are sociopaths come in and railroad the group to THEIR ends, not the group's.

@ABCXYZ-jk8me

2 жыл бұрын

Paul was trained in Judaism until on the "Road to Damascus."

My only and largest lament is how he interchangeably uses the term "Jews" to try to define Paul and Abraham and their countryman> Paul was not a "Jew" he weas a "Hebrew" and "Benjamite" not of the tribe of Judah. Abraham was a Hebrew And the "father" of thr tribes through his grandson. There were 12 tribes and Judah was only one of those. It DOES make a difference!!

Judah’s sons were killed , destroying his lineage and seed . After he sells his brother into slavery . Surviving him is his daughters , the lineage of Judah was passed by the women . Is this why they use the mother being Jewish as the distinguishing factor ?

Joh 8:56 “Your father Aḇraham was glad that he should see My day, and he saw it and did rejoice.” (TS2009). Abraham did accept/approve Messiah. The Christianity of Paul's time is the "faith which was once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 1:3 WEB) and very well could be described as Yeshua Judaism. The "Christianity" of today which culminated in fourth century Roman Catholicism is counterfeit and is actually "Mystery Babylon" of Rev. 17 and 18 that believers in Messiah are called to "come out of".

When Jesus died, did his soul go up to Heaven ? And then come back down, three days and three nights later ? Then go back up to Heaven again when he died the second time ?

@barunto1

11 ай бұрын

no of course not.

@tedgrant2

11 ай бұрын

@@barunto1 So what did happen to his soul ?

There is freedom and joy in the innocence of childhood. In eternal life, i believe we can look forward to that innocence. We should remember that Adam was not created an animal. Generally, any "driving force" in man did not come from God. If my son were to make such a statement about God "knowing" Abraham, i would slap his face...but still love him. Jesus sounded pretty forceful with "Ye do err."

Hi James! Found your talk very informative. You said at one point that Abraham did not know the Messiah (Christ) but the Scriptures say he did. Abraham knew אלשדי AL'SHaDaY, the Almighty (the LORD). Isaiah 44:6, ...I am the First and I am the Last. Revelation 2:8, ...the First and the Last who became Dead and came to Life. The Title 'the First and the Last' identifies Him as the same Being, the Son. The 'First' is the Holy Spirit Son, the 'Last' is the Holy Spirit Son manifest in the Flesh as the 'Son of Man'. Matthew 24:29-31, ...the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power and great glory. In Revelation 11:17-18 'Lord God Almighty' in Hebrew would be, יהוה אלשדי YaHUaH AL'SHaDaY. From Genesis to Revelation, the God who has revealed Himself to Man is the Holy Spirit Son. The Holy Spirit Father, Our Father, has never been seen by Man, His Son has revealed Him to the World. They are the יהוה אלהים YaHUaH ALaHaYM of the House of YaHUaH, they both bear the same Name. Revelation 14:1, ...having His Name and the Name of His Father written on their foreheads. Hope you find this as exciting as I do? May you be Blessed.

@sharon_rose724

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"The Vishnu Purana also explains that, "When the practices taught in the Vedas and institutes of law have nearly ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, a portion of that divine being who exists of His own spiritual nature, and who is the beginning and end, and who comprehends all things, shall descend upon earth. He will be born in the family of Vishnuyasha, an eminent brahmana of Shambhala village, as Kalki, endowed with eight superhuman faculties. By His irresistible might he will destroy all the mlecchas (Barbarians) and thieves, and all whose minds are devoted to iniquity. He will reestablish righteousness upon earth, and the minds of those who live at the end of the Kali age shall be awakened, and shall be as clear as crystal. The men who are thus changed by virtue of that peculiar time shall be as the seeds of human beings, and shall give birth to a race who will follow the laws of the Krita age or Satya Yuga, the age of purity. As it is said, 'When the sun and moon, and the lunar asterism Tishya, and the planet Jupiter, are in one mansion, the Krita age shall return.'" (Book Four, Chapter 24)

Logos Anointed One from Judea Rome

Acts 15:4-26.

"What is now called the Christian religion existed even among the ancients and was not lacking from the beginning of the human race until 'Christ came in the flesh.' From that time, true religion, which already existed, began to be called Christian." -- Saint Augustine, Retractations SHEMMA is the Trinity of the Stars of Creation above ... about to be tossed below. The Shin is a Mem. Cassiopeia falling and Orion rising. A symbol thousands of years old both ways. Agni was a Christ ... about 4415 BC. The 1st of Aries was at Orion, just as it had been at Leo 6,400 years earlier and Scorpio 6,400 years before that. Yod-Hey-Vav-Hey is a SEASON & A DATE. Jupiter arrived the Heart of Aquarius Feb 27, 2010. The Vav is the Sign of Jonah ... place of the Shen ring of Shamash. Jupiter returns there with Venus ... blue star Erra arrives there with Ishum red star ... around Oct 22, 2022. You can find the moment depicted at Black Mountain, CA. I suspect HAWA was virtually the same. Watch the planets as one is sacrificed by a Beam from Sirius.. Will it be Mars as Bull of Heaven in Taurus? Will it be Jupiter as the Lamb of God in Aries? Will it be a regicide of Saturn whose split head revealing a glorious Venus rising? Ever read "Dune" by Frank Herbert? He had a concept of the "Missionaria Protectiva." It was the promulgation of the Mother-Son myth throughout the Universe. It's one understanding of the original story of Creation & Judgment. Apocalypse & Genesis. I and Thou. We are One.

@sharon_rose724

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"The Vishnu Purana also explains that, "When the practices taught in the Vedas and institutes of law have nearly ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, a portion of that divine being who exists of His own spiritual nature, and who is the beginning and end, and who comprehends all things, shall descend upon earth. He will be born in the family of Vishnuyasha, an eminent brahmana of Shambhala village, as Kalki, endowed with eight superhuman faculties. By His irresistible might he will destroy all the mlecchas (Barbarians) and thieves, and all whose minds are devoted to iniquity. He will reestablish righteousness upon earth, and the minds of those who live at the end of the Kali age shall be awakened, and shall be as clear as crystal. The men who are thus changed by virtue of that peculiar time shall be as the seeds of human beings, and shall give birth to a race who will follow the laws of the Krita age or Satya Yuga, the age of purity. As it is said, 'When the sun and moon, and the lunar asterism Tishya, and the planet Jupiter, are in one mansion, the Krita age shall return.'" (Book Four, Chapter 24)

the creator uses himself/shows himself in many ways & these names come up in times of him talking about himself using force or nature

The authors of all the comments, know more about the subject than I do. All I ask is the answer Jesus gave to the question please tell me the year you were born.

I think church of Christ folks understand that Jesus could not have been a Christian during His ministry - not in the Christian sense of the word. A Christian is a New Testament person and Jesus, during His ministry, lived under the Law. Church of Christ folks are taught from early on to see the thick black line drawn between the Old Covenant and the New, as explained in the Book of Hebrews. I'm not sure that any other denomination actually teaches or even believes that.

Separation of sheep and goats. 💪📜

I'm not a Chrisitan. I was raised in a Christian family. This line of Christians being vaguely surprised, with inferences of discomfort, in the "news" that Jesus was a Jew, is a bit, in my limited view, undeserved, and it doesn't do our desire to have our Christian friends re-examine their beliefs any favors. It really makes us look sophomoric and spiteful.

@Find-Your-Bliss-

2 жыл бұрын

And they’re not?

@mh4zd

2 жыл бұрын

@@Find-Your-Bliss- In the late 1970's people in my congregation when I was a kid literally had bumper stickers that said, "My Father is a Jewish Carpenter" Ya, they know Jesus is a Jew. Oh, wait, did you mean atheists are in fact sophomoric and spiteful? Sure, some are.

@mh4zd

2 жыл бұрын

@@Isaac-hr8ug Thanks Isaac. Have a good day.

The fist prophecy about Jesus was when Eve was told by God that her Seed would crush the serpent"s head and the serpents would bruise His heel. Also later in scripture it is written that in the begining the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. In the same chapter It also says that the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. The Word being Jesus. Look it up on Bible Gateway if you believe I'm Just making this up.

Paul was active first, later came the gospels... Paul was around when they executed Jesus.... but was Phärisian Talib...

With Abraham.

Juda Tribe Split from "Is real"

Darn, just as it started to get good, talking about St. James, and The Poor, it ends. 🙄

Both religions were created after 70 ad.

A Jew is one who is in covenant with HaShem, and Keeps Torah. Yeshua certainly didn’t come to abolish the Torah, and I submit the the Roman Church has certainly gotten off the path.

If not Jesus and the Apostles, whodunit? Documentation please?

@stephenbastasch7893

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe Jesus, his disciples, Paul ... AND the nascent network of bishops who, in combination with excellent Roman roads and shipping, disseminated the religion throughout the Empire. Christianity moved along the roads and shipping lanes, along with letters of church fathers and "shepherds"/bishops. The process, of course, took a while.

@jamessheffield4173

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephenbastasch7893 Excellent. Irenaeus and Tertullian describe the same. Blessings.

How about James &Jude Jesus Brothers ? I've seen clips of that James actually formed the 1st new Jerusalem church , & Paul &his apostles we're competitively trying to win over followers , & while James was n a stadium preaching ,Paul came up and shoved James down the stone staircases & broke James back ,arm and leg I believe , ?

@lennyjohnson9331

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@@MichaelTheophilus906 History channels I've ever seen are always accurate .. not my fault your to far gone into someone else's philosophy n beliefs,. Can't except anything else outside the cannon or a different point of view of inside it either , a closed minded bible thumper , hypocrite

There is the 6th favour that is Rulership/Kingship... followed by The Holy Land....

Abraham, Sarah, Ishmael and Isaac... Which things are an allegory. Sarah, Mt Sinai is above, and the mother of us all.

cristinity crate by paul

It's interesting how seductive and enticing intellectual forays into scripture and 'knowledge' can be. The simple embarrassing truth is that what Paul KNEW and what Jesus IS has and will always be missed by the intellect. The Gospel and the epistles are authored by humans who have been transformed in a way intellect can NEVER grasp. It can talk about it for centuries and fill libraries but it can never ever know it because it is ONLY known by faith. Once that (by the grace of God) happens, it's a NEW GAME. Who Jesus is and all of it falls into place as that is the nature of the WORD.

This is an interesting topic, and one that I delved deeply into myself, around 2001, as I was graduating from Philadelphia Biblical University (i.e. Cairn University), and therefore I await earnestly your new book on the topic. This is probably one of the most enigmatic, and sometimes one of the most controversial topics of Christianity, although probably also one of the most important, and one that often divides Christianity into two camps: those who see the Church as the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16), such as Catholic, Orthodox, and Reform Covenant theology, and the Dispensationalists who see two separate programs, one of the Jews and one of the Nations (or, Gentiles). I was educated according to the Dispensationalist position, by teachers such as Dr. Charles Ryrie, Dr. John Master, Dr. Brian Toews, Dr. O. Herb Hirt, and Dr. William Krewson, et cetera, but at a time when Progressive Dispensationalism was growing in popularity, and these tenets were being questioned and tested. There is great debate regarding the Olive Tree metaphor of Paul the Apostle in Romans 11. The biblical metaphor of the olive tree, however, seems to be spirit-empowered ministry (e.g. Zechariah 4:11-14), and especially the Nation of Israel as the spirit-empowered nation of witnesses to the Nations (e.g. Jeremiah 11:16). The more debated question is the identity of the root of this olive tree metaphor. Is it the Nation of Israel, or the Mosaic Covenant? Is it the Abrahamic Promise, or Covenant, or the Patriarchs themselves? Or is it Jesus as the symbolic Firstfruits offering? I began to question the classical Dispensationalist opinion Ecclesiology when I began to read and study Israelology by Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, and arrived at a similar position to him circa 2001-2003. It seems to me that the root is a mystical Israel below (i.e. Jacob), in conjunction with a mystical Israel above (i.e. Jesus as a lesser YHVH or Demiurgic Angel of salvation, and Israel as the Firstborn of Creation). See Dr. Elliot Wolfson: Along the Path: The Image of Jacob engraved upon the Throne, pp. 1-14, and Dr. Alan Segal: Two Powers in Heaven, 121-134. Therefore, in essence the Seed is Messiah with its seeds as the mystical Body of Messiah called in Isaac (Romans 9:1-7). The natural branches are therefore probably the Nation of Israel, meaning the Church (i.e. Assembly) baptized into Moses with the Mosaic Covenant (1 Corinthians 10:2). Yet, I disagree with the notion that Paul is specifically condemning the Jews for lack of belief in Jesus as the Messiah, for he makes it clear that the Jews were disobedient from the beginning at Mount Sinai, and that the Law (or, Torah) of Messiah was rejected, and the Law (or, Torah) of Moses was instituted as its pedagogue (Galatians 3:19-20 and Exodus 20:18-21), something that Joseph Smith, Jr. realized in 1834-1837. See Joseph F. Smith: Teachings of “the Prophet” Joseph Smith, pp. 73-74. My former mentor, Marvin Rosenthal of blessed memory, a former director of the Friends of Israel Gospel ministry, once explained to me that Paul the Apostle probably saw himself as a prophetic fulfilment of Isaiah 6:8, which appears as the ministry of Isaiah the Prophet after his own vision of Merkavah mysticism. Mr. Marv Rosenthal also explained to me that the Blindness was on part of the Nation of Israel, and was not a partial Blindness on all of Israel. This connection to Merkavah mysticism seems highly significant to me, first of all because I am a Jewish convert from Christianity and a Kabbalist, but also because of the connection between the unique Gospel of Paul (distinct from the Gospel of the Kingdom), seemingly derived from his own vision of Merkavah mysticism stated in 2 Corinthians 12. This, of course, is an opinion I developed circa 2000, during a trip to Israel, and which has further been established by reading Dr. Gershom Scholem: Jewish Gnosticism, Merkavah Mysticism, and Talmudic Tradition, pp. 16-17, and more recently with your own book Paul’s Ascent to Paradise. Furthermore, the reference in Greek from the Deutero-Pauline epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 4:13), εις μέτρον ηλικίας, seems to me to be a reference to Messiah as the mystical doctrine of the אל שיעור קומה “Measure of the Stature of God”?! This suggests to me a possible connection between Paul’s doctrine of personal salvation in regard to his Christ mysticism, as later defined in a later redacted, rabbinic version as a promise of salvation to all who Know the Shiyur Qomah. See the Sepher Raziel HaMalak, fol. 73a (my own translation is available to scholars upon request, pdf), and also Dr. Gershom Scholem: On the Mystical Shape of the Godhead: Shi’ur Komah, pp. 21-22. Lastly, I’d only add here that circa 2001, I also became convinced of the Darbyite doctrine of the Apostasy or Ruin of the Church (see J.N. Darby: Collected Writings: On the Ruin of the Church: What is Succession a Succession Of? Parts I and II), and I am convinced that this is a major element missing from all discussions of Romans 11, as well as being the distinct difference between the original Dispensationalists (i.e. Plymouth Btethren) and the so-called classical C.I. Scofield Dispensationalists. The Church of Messiah, as opposed to the previously cited Church of Moses, is indubitably the grafted in branch of the Root of the Olive Tree metaphor, but it’s subsequent Apostasy is also suggested (Ibidem, 11:22). I think that this Apostasy is the best manner in which to interpret the possible historical evidence derived from Suetonius: Lives of the Caesars, Tacitus: Annals, and Pliny the You her: Epistle to Trajan. The Gospel of Luke and the Book of Acts, being Pauline in apologetic nature, whether authentically originating with Luke and Paul, or not, seems to be an alleged legal argument for Theophilus to use in order to deny the accusation that the early “Jesus Movement”, or The Way (ο οδός) was a Superstitio, a Religio ilicita, but rather to argue that it was merely a sect of Judaism as a Religio licita. Therefore, I would personally argue that the so-called Parting of Ways probably began in Antioch with individuals such as Ignatius of Antioch and the pseudipigraphical Epistle of Barnabas, et cetera, according to the redactor’s gloss of the current recension of the Book of Acts (e.g. Acts 11:26).

@stefanislutty9214

2 жыл бұрын

For clarification, by the Apostasy hinted at in Romans 11:22, according to the opinion of John Nelson Darby, and I concur with him, I am convinced that it was probably the doctrine of Supercessionism (i.e. Replacement theology), although J.N. Darby saw it more as the doctrine of Apostolic succession as first expressed by Ignatius of Antioch (which I view as more of a symptom), whereas other Separatists such as Roger Williams or Joseph Smith, Jr., et cetera, were more ambiguous as to the nature of such Apostasy. In other words, I see the so-called Parting of Ways as the Apostasy, or more candidly as Christianity itself.

@stefanislutty9214

2 жыл бұрын

For full disclosure, it was this doctrine of Apostasy which led to me converting to Judaism in 2003, and my personal process of deconstruction only began sometime afterwards, circa 2006, which included Judaism as well as Christianity. I was a Kabbalist before I ever was baptized in the Delaware river in 1995, and so I was always rather a skeptic in regard to the Bible, and it was rather easy for me to dismiss the dogma, and just keep the mysticism and meditation. I am still a Jew, even though I acknowledge that the Bible is a mixture of theologically biased history, which is often proved rather reliable by archaeology, and Hebrew mythology. Nonetheless, despite much superstition in Judaism, I often ponder things like the teaching of Rabbi Judan in the Great Midrash, and realize that Judaism, especially in its mystical aspects like Merkavah, Hekaloth, and Kabbalah, is far more reasonable than Christianity. Genesis Rabbah 27:1: אמר רבי יוגן גדול כחן של נביאים שמדמין צורה ליוצרה. “Rabbi Judan said, Great is the Force of of the Prophets that compare the Formator to the form” I know the modern rabbis struggle deeply with this midrashic passage, and even try to make it say the exact opposite, but it literally means that the greatness of the Prophets was their inspiration to fashion God in their own image, or, in other words, realize that our conception of God is man-made, although it may help us to strive mystically towards Self Knowledge; Γνωθι σεαυτον.

@stefanislutty9214

2 жыл бұрын

The Kabbalist rabbi Chaim Vital claimed that his teacher, the Lion of God, the Godly rabbi Isaac Luria of blessed memory, taught the reason why the Bible says, Abraham, Abraham! Moses, Moses! Saul, Saul, et cetera. This is because the Force of the Prophets was great, in that they fashioned God in their own image, literally. The Bible says the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, literally, and the God of Moses, literally, meaning God in their own likeness! See Chaim Vital: Etz Chaim: Shaar HaGilgulim: Gate of Reincarnation. The God of the Kabbalah is the Agnostic God, the Ain Sof Aur or “Limitless Nothingness of Light”, a God that can only be understood in apophatic terms, but the Zohar claims that this ineffable God is unknowable and unworshipable, and even mentions that the Bible condemned such worship as Atheism, when Moses asked if the Israelites would serve God or Ain Sof? Instead, the Zohar exhorts us to worship God in our own image, like Jacob in his own dream, where he likened God as Israel above to his own image as Israel below, (see the Gematria involved!), contemplating God as his own highest divine Self, as the example to us all. Indeed, the Zohar recognizes the Tetragrammaton (יהוה) as a verb not a noun, as Goding instead of as God, and exhorts us to worship the experiential and imminent aspect of Deity in our own lives, self as Shekinah the Bride to our divine Self as Metatron. This is in fact the Enochian tradition of self divinization (Gnosticism) as Self; the experience of the Deity, because God is only realized as our highest aspiration of ourself, or, if that is impossible, then at least in regard to our conception of saints such Moses or Jesus, or Buddha, or Lao Tzu, et cetera.

@folkblueswriter

2 жыл бұрын

Humans are too evil to attain Heaven.

@J_Beazy223

2 жыл бұрын

@@folkblueswriter Thats just the opinion of low expectations.

6th century. When Justinian made it illegal to not be a Catholic Christian.

@Find-Your-Bliss-

2 жыл бұрын

PKD had a lot to say about the Rome- & how it is still in power.

The covenant with Abraham is of faith, the covenant with Moses is of sin, and run alongside one another. The religion of Christ is of Abrahamic Jews, with the Mosaic Jews who can now repent and be forgiven past sins to be born again.

The mischievous superstition wasn’t a cult, but the resurrection of the Son of God. The self proclaimed Roman Son’s of god could never make the same claim. This new sect was an abomination to the dead and rotting Sons of god!

TS 20:46, not the land, not geographical... In your head, Calvary, Golgatha... The place of the skull. Where the Helmet of Salvation covers .

One of the central messages of Jesus in the Gospels is that the Jews he was confronted by did not properly understand Judaism itself. Jesus presents himself as the revelation of true Judaism. Jesus was a Jew who revealed and fulfilled Judaism. The religion of Jesus is called Christianity because most people who identify as Jewish reject Jesus as the revelation of the will of Yahweh. But Jesus was clear that most Jews don't understand Judaism, or the will of Yahweh.

@MinisterRedPill

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And neither do Christians

@k.arlanebel6732

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@@MinisterRedPill That's right. The apocalyptic Judaism of Jesus became almost lost somewhere in the historical shadows between "Judaism" and "Christianity".

@MinisterRedPill

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@@k.arlanebel6732 a shame that most of this is rhetoric. Nonsensical diatribes of protestantism. So many people today think they know what Jesus thought or taught through a dark window.

Every one can join the Jewish nation

What Hath God Wrought? The nutty comments below...

Steve Bannon?!

@aioniansage6081

2 жыл бұрын

No, Meathead (All in the Family.)

Very interesting and compelling topic! Judaism and Christianity are religions (man-made) indeed; they are not the same as the faith, The Way of YHVH! Judaism is a man-made religion by the rabbis during and after Babylonian captivity. Christianity is also a man-made religion by the Romans in part bc of antisemitism (w/ plenty of Greek influence). From the beginning, there has been only One Faith, The Way of YHVH. The formula has also been the same - grace faith obedience, in that order. Grace comes from YHVH, Faith comes through Yeshua, and Obedience is by the Ruach (Holy Spirit). The people of this faith are called Israel. This is not to be confused with the house of Israel (northern kingdom), or the modern nation of Israel (which is really the house of Judah) controlling the Land. Do NOT confuse Judaism with the faith, or Christianity with the faith. They are man-made traditions that are both full of syncretism. Judaism with rabbinic oral laws of their own creation via Babylonian influence (consider the calendar months, etc.) and Christianity with pagan Greek/Roman god-influence. Judaism has added to the commandments and made them difficult, while Christianity has taken away from the commandments by claiming the Law (Torah) ended with the cross. Both are Biblical error, violating Deuteronomy 4:2 and 12:32. Judaism continues to place rabbinic oral laws over The Law, and Christianity continues to practice its own traditions (Easter, Christmas, Sunday worship, no Sabbath rest). Come out of her My people. Yeshua was Jewish (from the tribe of Judah) but practiced the faith, The Way of YHVH, NOT Judaism. This is clear by His handling of the Pharisees and priests of Judaism. He attacked them and their practices at every turn. Mark 7 is a good example. They eventually killed Him over His differences with them and Judaism.

Peter you will build a church! He said the word church once to shimeome the stone or Satan! Paul wrote the rest.

Christianity began with seed of Eve and also with David.

@lutkedog1

2 жыл бұрын

Paul started Christianity

So Paul usurped the movement / sect?

Jesus thought if u cannot even hammer a nail in sunday piip this

Does believing in Messiah start a new religion? Let me put it this way does believing in Christ make you anointed one as well? Do my take Christ was not his last name.. So you believe in God not in christ what does that make u? What about we say gentiles became spiritual Israel or Israelites........... Can someone help... On Paul he never came what is called Christianity..

When Rome usurped what once once universal in the East.