Can't help but notice that both and departure and arrival controllers don't immediately overload the pilot with questions, but gives him a chance to diagnose the issue and grants him maximum autonomy. Well done.

@YouCanSeeATC

Ай бұрын

👍👍👍

@alexmiller7721

Ай бұрын

I was quietly impressed by the transfer over to arrival because they were less busy. Never heard that done before, but it makes perfect sense.

@Coach_Berrill

Ай бұрын

We try our best 😊

@StarTheAvgeek

Ай бұрын

YO JAMES IS THAT YOU

@Ndub1036

Ай бұрын

For real. It’s refreshing. So chill

That is the most insanely calm and professional conversation. Proof that training training training is key.

I liked the ATCs. Well organized, concise, aware and attentive to the pilots' needs. The entire interaction seemed professional, yet friendly on both sides.

@Quotenwagnerianer

Ай бұрын

Very Canadian. ;)

Canadians! Amazingly well spoken, no mumbling, from the ATCs and pilots too. Why is this so rare?

@FSKtv

Ай бұрын

Sorry

@Bearwithme560

Ай бұрын

@@FSKtv 🤣🤣🤣

@falconeaterf15

Ай бұрын

Canadians suffer from a lack of ego, so they are not trying to impress anyone with how fast they can spew out the jargon.

@falconeaterf15

Ай бұрын

How is this not a Boeing? Very strange.

@bobrae5484

Ай бұрын

And notice Canadians don't say "eh" all the time like Americans like to joke about.

I haven't seen better examples of ATC professionalism. Congratulations to ground and flight crews for a job well done.

Those Canadians are so darn polite.

@davidkendall1614

Ай бұрын

Thank you 😁🇨🇦. And may I say, it is very nice of you to say so. You have yourself a wonderful day. 👍

@lebojay

Ай бұрын

Thank you. 🇨🇦

@KeepingOnTheWatch

Ай бұрын

Not on the hockey rink we’re not 🏒

@isay207

Ай бұрын

Thats how we role😊🇨🇦🫎🏒

@cl65captain

Ай бұрын

You fly in Canada much? We were the launch customer for the Bombardier CRJ, and the "locals" in Montreal referred to us as the "Sea Doo" when pointing out traffic. But never in English; it was always back and forth between the controllers and Air Canada in French. So professionalism? Eh, not so much.

I was onboard an Air Canada flapless landing flight in Halifax from Toronto about 10 years ago. The pilot made an announcement as we would be circleling to burn excess fuel for a shirt while. There was a lot of tension on the plane, but I was feeling calm. Literally, the moment the nose gear, the plane erupted in crazy cheering, and it was all I could do from yelling, "Not yet, you idiots!"

I love Canadian ATC.

@KeepingOnTheWatch

Ай бұрын

Yes! More clear than their American counterparts.

@animateddepression

Ай бұрын

@@KeepingOnTheWatchthey weren’t forced back to work by Reagan

These people are on a whole other level. good job

I liked the confirmation of the altimeter on the approach. Class act that was.

how the hell did these guys sound so good and clear??? WOW- i have heard many ATC recordings but this is the most clear one I've ever heard

@lyaneris

Ай бұрын

Someone seems to have a very good receiver position near CYYZ

@ronparrish6666

Ай бұрын

Tim Hortons coffee in Canada it makes everyone more calmer

@iwasmidnightrain.

Ай бұрын

@@ronparrish6666 LMAOO true

@twentynineteen4687

Ай бұрын

One word: Canadian

@dynodin81

Ай бұрын

Because it's Canada and not the US.

As you might expect, runway 05/23 is the longest at Pearson (11,120 ft or 3,390m)

Once I landed in Boston on a plane with no flaps. Pilot was cool and told us “we have a procedure for this.” Landing speed was higher than normal though I’m not sure I would have known. Emergency trucks on hand but we station the runway with no problems.

Tough day, likely Flap/Slat jam, so Flaps stuck near Zero (I think), gusty winds to 25 knots, but down the Rwy which helps with the faster airspeed on landing, and then 500 ft ceilings w/ mist and rain all while doing much higher than normal approach speeds. Well done.

These guys are very well trained and very professional,well done, this the way you do it, calm , cool and get the job done.

Now that’s how it’s done 👏👏👏

Spirit Airlines wishes that their *regular* landings were this calm and orderly....

So professional all the way around.

Bravo to crew and ground ! Your the best in the world 👍

Excellent job!

So professiona all round. Well done.

I had a similar experience on an Air Canada A320. Flaps failed to retract fully and became inop after takeoff. We bounced around in rough air at ~12,000 feet for 90 minutes or so, before returning to Vancouver for a (quasi) no-flaps landing. Our crew did great. The airline compensated each of us with a $10.00 meal voucher. 🙄

That controller was super confused when he was trying to figure what to tell Frontier for crossing instructions.

As we regular Air Canada customers like to say..... "Rouge'd again!"

@testpirate2570

Ай бұрын

yea its a rouge problem lol, rouge manufactured the airbus.... donkey comment... i hear trains have the success rate to reduce complaining vs flying through the air

I am flying in this exact plane on Sunday to Austin, TX. Now I am nervous!

The flap problem was detected on climb-out, and you normally aren't putting them down at that time -you're retracting them. I'm wondering if the flaps were stuck partially retracted. Normal take-off configuration is 1+F which is about 10 degrees. When the pilot said "No flaps" I wonder if he meant "No flap control" or maybe "We won't have normal landing flaps" The reason no-one was panicking is that this one of the least worrying of any inflight emergency, and one that you practice for even in your earliest days as student pilot. Slightly higher approach speed, slightly different picture out the front on approach. Used to love shooting flapless landings -they were often my smoothest ones.

@rayray8687

Ай бұрын

Of course there’s a huge difference in the runway length needed to land a no-flaps A320 and a C172 in clean config, but then you didn’t mention what you were flying.

@Quotenwagnerianer

Ай бұрын

That was most definately it. Otherwise they wouldn't even have noticed that there is a control problem.

Why can’t US ATC be like this

@MaidenCanada

Ай бұрын

Many times they are!

At one point this was happening in the CRJ fleet up to 3 times a day, particularly in winter.

@somethingsomething404

Ай бұрын

Whaaaat that’s crazy

@sblack48

Ай бұрын

@@somethingsomething404 it was a bunch of different things but mostly deicing fluid getting into the flap mechanism and gumming it up. It took a long time to sort it out.

If you have the same malfunction but during the approach, it is a completely different story. In departure you have all the time in the World. In approach you are down to minimum diversion fuel plus whatever extra, and it give less minutes of endurance due to the excess drag caused by the flaps. In departure you can relax and have a coffee while u discuss the QRH with your coleague!

Where do you get the audio? would love to listen to one live

@SaisyB

Ай бұрын

LiveATC app

@lebojay

Ай бұрын

I drive to the airport and turn on the app so I can hear what the planes are saying :)

@Ejb905

Ай бұрын

I sometimes listen to them on my scanners and use ABS and flight radar. I know a guy who is a ATC at YYZ

The pilot was calmer than me when I smoke weed, he sounds almost bored lol

I notice Canadian ATC often uses "I check" to indicate that they understood a message or copied the information provided. Is that ICAO terminology, or is it something specific to Canada? I don't recall hearing it anywhere else.

@YouCanSeeATC

Ай бұрын

Based on my experience, only Canadians use this.

@testpirate2570

Ай бұрын

@@YouCanSeeATC check

@KeepingOnTheWatch

Ай бұрын

@@testpirate2570I check that you check.

@allankeefe9817

Ай бұрын

It's a hockey thing.

@M_SC

Ай бұрын

@@allankeefe9817lol that’s an entirely other kind of checking

The telephony…my god.

Am I wrong thinking that the pilot should not say "sixteen" on the radio? That they should say "one-six" ("one-six-six-two" in this case)? Not sure what the procedure is, but there might be some confusion if another flight is "6062".

@PeterDrake

Ай бұрын

I think you're right, but there is probably less concern about confusion when they always introduce themselves as Rouge 16 62 when they talk to a new controller, and then once they've had some back and forth they shorten it to just 16 62.

@Bro-wb4yr

Ай бұрын

@@PeterDrakeI’m a pilot, yes the official terminology is one-six but no one cares

The only thing I don't quite understand is why they didn't simpy ask for a hold over a fix somewhere in the vicinity, so that the controller does not have to think about keeping them in the area while they do their planning and calculations.

@nec3f

Ай бұрын

Kelsey (74 Gear) just did a video about that. "Mayday Aircraft Asked to Hold". His reasoning is that if the pilot is holding, it means a larger workload. Either because they have to reprogram their computers with the holding pattern or they have to be paying more attention to their surroundings and it's generally easier if the pilots can focus on what they need to be doing to get the plane back on the ground while just listening for ATC to chime in and tell them when and where to turn.

Flaps stuck, not on TV news, wrong brand. Same with smoke in cockpit return of AB, and many others.

@Quotenwagnerianer

Ай бұрын

Why should this be on the news? It's just a standard abnormal procedure not a live threatening emergency.

I'm super confused - maybe someone can help me explain. Presumably the flaps were extended for take off just fine. It was only when they were climbing/cruising did they notice that the flaps were non-responsive (stuck extended?). Why then did they note expecting a longer landing and not just land with extended flaps (as you'd normally do)?

@GH-oi2jf

Ай бұрын

A heavy fuel load would extend the landing.

@SuheMalqir

Ай бұрын

You usually take off 1+F (Slats + Flaps 1), but you usually lands Flaps 3 or Full. The less flaps you have, the faster you have to go to not stall, so landing Flaps one require you to land at a higher than usual speed, thus the longer landing.

@robbiedigital79

Ай бұрын

@@SuheMalqir thanks - didn’t realize it was more than a binary setting.

3:27 "No live on board" 🙂

@YouCanSeeATC

Ай бұрын

No animals in the cargo compartment

@Metallica4Life1995

Ай бұрын

Live as in livestock, not humans, those are the "Souls on board"

@levibrb

Ай бұрын

What about no dangerous?

@iamweave

Ай бұрын

@@levibrb No hazmats

@joelmacdonald6994

Ай бұрын

In a situation where you’re dealing with domestic pilots and controllers, especially of the same native language, it would be easy to infer the meaning of this, being that it has followed fuel and souls. If the ATC’s had questions, they’d clarify. It’s not real clear, but easy to infer as at this point proper call-outs have been followed. If I were an ATC, I’d probably clarify to be 100%, but it worked out fine here.

Surprised you don't have to pay more for flaps at Air Canada.

@zamar2158

Ай бұрын

Lol

What’s the big deal I’ve pulled off multiple no flap landings in the a320.

First time I've heard "no live & no dangerous"

@davidkendall1614

Ай бұрын

Well EMS would want to know if they had to contend with a wild Canadian beaver on board 🦫

@lebojay

Ай бұрын

I don’t think you’re allowed to keep beavers as pets. They are far too vicious and unpredictable 😉

@Steevo-qw4sp

Ай бұрын

Standard info for response crews, if there was would want to know which hold

@TheButterZone

Ай бұрын

If that's the abbreviated version of no live animals and no dangerous cargo, then that's the first time I've heard them abbreviated that way.

@davidkendall1614

Ай бұрын

@@lebojay I’ve been petting Canadian beaver since the 1980s. They are much rarer these days, I have to admit. 🇨🇦

Why are Canadian pilots so clear and American pilots mumble?

@88SC

Ай бұрын

They have a Bureau of Lucidity.

@ronparrish6666

Ай бұрын

They always start the day off with Tim Hortons coffee

@M_SC

Ай бұрын

Hi I’m Canadian. We all speak more clearly on the phone too. Why wouldn’t you, it’s just helpful. I have noticed the intonation becomes ever so slightly British when we do. Not the accent but the intonation of the sentences as a whole. 2 or 3 generations ago there were still a lot of British people in teaching. Now, there are lots of immigrants in school and you want your friends to understand you. Slowing down your speech and enunciating seems like a skill Americans don’t develop from childhood like we do. On the other hand they invent all the new and fun slang

@Rubberman2036

Ай бұрын

American pilots and ATC speak like doctors write prescriptions. All in code.

@marklittle8805

Ай бұрын

American telephony is all about sounding cool. The pilots all think they are Chuck Yeager on meth and the ATC is on some other trip. I hear some decent telephony but in Canadian ATC and pilot training this drummed into you to speak clearly and all the words. No cowboy making shit up as you feel like it.

Rouge fleet are ancient.

Pffft. A320 using Boeing 748 flaps......well I never 🧐

@stephenludlum9746

Ай бұрын

Airbus doesn't use Boeing flaps; what is funny is in early 2001 - 2006, Airbud was having the same issue Boeing is now, by cutting corners, trying to build planes faster than they can safely, and using new technology before it was proven safe. People seem to forget about that.

@malahammer

Ай бұрын

@@stephenludlum9746 I guess you missed the emoji

@stephenludlum9746

Ай бұрын

@@malahammer Sorry, I did lol

It takes 10 minutes for the trucks to get ready???

@KeepingOnTheWatch

Ай бұрын

Well, yes - it’s still hockey season. One can’t just abruptly stop watching the game.

@Steevo-qw4sp

Ай бұрын

With a bit more time you check aircraft charts, typical response time on cold call is 3 minutes to end of runway from time of notification

So Boeing not alone. Airbus in the hot seat now.

When you book AC and arrive and see a Rouge plane.. you see ROUGE!!!!😡😡 lol. They do good MX but the planes are someone dated and beat up.

I doubt DEI pilots could pull that off, no panic . Completely in control at all time . Well done.

If it takes 80+ minutes to get the trucks ready then I’d be going somewhere else where they care!

@user-pg7hk5kf1j

Ай бұрын

Do everyone a favour and stay home. No one said anything about taking 80 minutes.

@SgtDuster

Ай бұрын

They never said that it'd take 80+ minutes to get the truck and it was a PAN-PAN, not a MAYDAY situation. No reason to rush and risk it.