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„Hey Hans, we are a dealing with a really tough fuel situation, what should we do?” „Franz is it not obvious? Make weapons that shoot oil and fuel!”

@tirushone6446

2 ай бұрын

tbf you can use oil for a flame througher that you couldn't use for fuel, you could use thickend cooking oil if you wanted

@imflikyt

2 ай бұрын

@@tirushone6446 I would also imagine that the fuel used for driving is probably a lot more than the fuel used for flaming. You drive around all the time but only occasionally do you actually get close to use the flamethrower, and you would rarely use all the fuel.

@brittakriep2938

2 ай бұрын

Wenn sie kein Deutsch können, dann lassen sie dumme Witze.

@DaDudeb

2 ай бұрын

Hans! Get ze Flammpanzer!

@l-nolazck-rn24

Ай бұрын

If you manage to mix gas with cooking oil and alcohol without blowing yourself you kinda just won against that. Cooking oil is far from the same material. You can concentrate a large number of vegetables to degrade and make gas (did a little kaboom with that 6th grade experiment) And well, alcohol wouldn't be that hard to get. Issue is that you basically need a big ass nerf super soaker lol. The slightest of liquid falling on your tank and it's so freaking over

It werfs flammen.

@looinrims

2 ай бұрын

Ein Minenwerfer, it werfs minen

@Archangelm127

2 ай бұрын

@@looinrims Ein Nebelwerfer: it werfs nebel! 🤣

@Evgen991

2 ай бұрын

​@@Archangelm127 It does make quite a lot of Nebel during launch. Werfing rockets is a nice bonus.

@kapitan517

2 ай бұрын

Schweinwerfer; it werfs schweine

@neeatago2984

2 ай бұрын

A sturmgeschutz... It stugs

In Hoi4 the meta thing to do with plammpanzers seem to be to stick a bunch of extra fuel drums on it, and have it act as a mobile refueling station for the panzer division.

@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

2 ай бұрын

😂

The problem is that Germany after they started retreating was not in a situation that could benefit from flame tanks. Those are mostly offensive in nature, made to take out really stubborn bunkers and fortifications. The Allies could make great use of those as they had air superiority / supremacy and plenty of fortifications to tackle with flame tanks ( the Churchill Crocodile is a prime example ). In the Pacific theatre too, they could make great use of flame Shermans as the japanese did not have AT guns as good as Germany.

@ihategooglealot3741

2 ай бұрын

Crocodile was also able to flame at up to 80-100 metres and retained its main gun, which fired the highly effective US 75mm HE shell.

@Canis_Lupus_Rex

2 ай бұрын

In defense they can be used as a area denial weapon, especially in prepared areas.

@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623

2 ай бұрын

Germany still conducted offensives and counterattacks at the corps and army level, even into 1945, like with Operation Spring Awakening. They still could use a flame tank in that role to great efficiency. But it had to be well armored because since everybody hates flamethrowers they would drew fire like a moth to flames.

@simonschneider5913

2 ай бұрын

this video also illustrates how delusional the decision-making has become over at least the last year of the war. lots of clutching on to hopeless ideas...

@Vlad_-_-_

2 ай бұрын

@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 If they had little success against the soviets in 1942-1943 when the Red Army was weaker, they would not have great success in late war, when the Allied superiorty was so overwhelming.

7:07 Here we see the deployment of a brand new MHV visual emblem: The "Überrascht Piepsenmäus". Remember it for it may, in itself, become history to one day be visualised.

The little jokes will never fail to amuse - don't think I didn't catch that surprised pikachu face (in the context of a flame tank catching fire) at 7:08!

@Calvin_Coolage

2 ай бұрын

And the chainsword for the limited range icon.

@ElDesperado7

2 ай бұрын

For me it was the "germany converted stugs into flametanks and then back into stugs, because they had so much time and resources left" that made me spit out my coffee.

“The importance of a flammpanzer with 250mm of armour in 1945” meth is a helluva drug

@jed-henrywitkowski6470

2 ай бұрын

Panzerchoclate is oh so tasty though!

@aleksazunjic9672

2 ай бұрын

Arguably, at that time period only the heavily armored vehicle had a chance to get close enough and actually use flamethrower.

@raylast3873

Ай бұрын

Don‘t need it. When you‘re fighting a war that‘s as decisive as WWII, defeat is not an option you can entertain. In that situation, it‘d rational to grasp at straw, rather than give up, which is the only real alternative.

This was very informative and well-presented. I especially liked the little circular info bubbles for 'heavy losses' (6:05) and 'easily caught fire when hit.'(7:05) My grandfather was a Sherman tank commander on Iwo Jima, and at one point was assigned to a flamethrower tank. He said that the entire crew hated riding with the flame fuel sloshing around in the belly, and they considered the tank to be little more than a rolling bomb.

When designing The Longest Day monster wargame in the late 1970s, my research uncovered the fact that the 319th Infanterie Division, deployed to the Channel Islands was a VERY large division with all kinds of extra units attached to it, including a full battalion of Char B Flammpanzers. I suppose that they were penny-packeted out to the various Channel Islands in 1943-44. One wonders what would have happened had Hitler allowed the 319th to move to the Fortress Cherbourg area to hold that vital port for longer than happened historically.

@Querulously

Ай бұрын

That was a monster game !

Flammpanzer, good on paper. I see what you did there!

"This video is sponsored by conflict of nations" how quite meta of you mister military history

-Daddy, what did you do in the war? -Nothing.

So the US flame tanks were very good in the Pacific due to the limited ranges and the Japanese were bunkered down in caves. Not sure how well they would have worked in the open fields of Europe.

@handlesrstupid123

2 ай бұрын

More for city fighting or destruction of fortifications I would imagine

@mymax1267

2 ай бұрын

I mean they sure lite up the way to the Target Well if its night, this way you dont have to use other Methods of illuminating the battlefield at Night

@christopherwang4392

2 ай бұрын

Wouldn't flame tanks have been useful in the forested and urban areas of Europe?

@czwarty7878

2 ай бұрын

Both British and US used Churchill Crocodiles with great effect in Europe (US "borrowing" the British assault tank units). They were used against bunkers, pillboxes and fortified buildings that would otherwise require substantial forces to take. It was simply the reality of WWII combat that by 1944 Germans didn't have such targets but it's not exactly an argument against flame tank per se

@dannyzero692

2 ай бұрын

@@christopherwang4392it could work, but the problem is that it’s much easier to seal and escape from a building than a cave, the Japanese mostly died of lack of oxygen because the flame used up all of them in the caves while in Europe it’s only useful for clearing bunkers on D-Day.

The Russians used flammpanzers against Finnish bunkers on the Karelian Isthmus. When they got close, they shot a jet of oil through openings in the bunker which they then ignited. There are documented horror stories of how entire crews in the bunkers were burned to death. The Finns lacked anti-tank weapons during the Winter War but their machine guns were effective and inflicted huge losses on the Russians. Thats why the Russians change tactics and used flammpanzers for the Assault. The Finns soon abandoned fixed bunkers and switched to mobile defense instead by switching places to several prepared nests.

Yeah the flamethrower tank is something everyone tried durring ww2 but didnt persist after for a reason.

@redmorphius

2 ай бұрын

Geneva convention killed it

@MonEyRuLess

2 ай бұрын

@@redmorphius Can you kill something, that was never truly alive?

@duncant.2570

2 ай бұрын

Proliferation of infantry antitank weapons doesn't help. Especially when launchers have a greater range than the flame projectors.

@czwarty7878

2 ай бұрын

Flamethrower tanks were used with success after WWII, americans used them in Vietnam. It's simply that since that time we developed better weapons with more precision and longer range like thermobaric and thermite rounds

@ReaperCH90

2 ай бұрын

​@@czwarty7878and nobody wants to sit in this thing when a peasant with an old panzerfaust 3 can kill you 400 m away

Would love to see a full series about all the different flame tanks of the major nations in WW2.

@l-nolazck-rn24

Ай бұрын

Me like flames!

Allied flame tanks in comparison had much thicker armor and had retained their main guns. I'm referring to both Churchill Crocodile AND KV-8, the latter had 45mm gun in place of their normal 76mm, but said 45mm still had APHE shell that can deal with most german armor up to Panther and has a respectable HE shell to deal with towed guns.

i feel like if they took the time to develop a dedicated tank design with corresponding armour it could have been very effective, the design would generally work in urban environments but for example attacks from top, sides and back would be very likely and prevent a flame tank from properly advancing down a street or even towards a large enough building

@randallreed9048

Ай бұрын

Urban warfare is not good for armored vehicles with limited vision and limited upward traverse.

thanks for posting❤

2:05 chainsword to denote “limited range” is perfect 😂

@jiyuhong5853

2 ай бұрын

which legion are you?

@matthayward7889

2 ай бұрын

@@jiyuhong5853 imperial guard! (With some Raptor legion)

@jiyuhong5853

Ай бұрын

@@matthayward7889 perfect! Althought I have ultramarines logo I am wolves

@jiyuhong5853

Ай бұрын

@@matthayward7889 so sons of Dorn?

@matthayward7889

Ай бұрын

@@jiyuhong5853 nice!

The Panzer Maus and Ratte would have been great flame tanks. Those 2 had a great chance to save oil by firing it instead of moving to the target : D

Flammtiger - oh dear...

Never knew of this. Thankyou.

Lovely stuff! Thank you for sharing. 👍

Love the way this guy digs into every topic. Can we get some more of those tactical videos. Like how Germany attacked or defended positions. Keep it up brotha!

I believe the statement from the source saying that compressed acetylene is incorrect. Acetylene at a pressure greater than 15 psig is unstable. Acetylene is normally stored dissolved in acetone.

@bagibadoo439

Ай бұрын

As I understood it acetylene was only used to ignite the fuel and nitrogen to propel the oil.

If it's good in Hoi4 it's good in real life.

It's really amazing how important the situation is for flamethrowers. For Germans on the Eastern Front, they were utter garbage. Much of the eastern front was wide open spaces, flat, with plenty of sight lines that made it easy for just about any anti-tank weapon to hit a Flammpanzer before the Germans even had a chance to shoot back. The armour could stop a round at 400m, but the tank had to be in 50m so it's a moot point. Meanwhile, in the pacific theatre, the Americans were able to use flame tanks to excellent effect against the Japanese, who were often dug in in caves and bunkers that were armed only with small-arms. Since the Japanese were lacking large tanks and large guns, the American flame tanks were able to have much more success, and the environment also meant that you wouldn't get a chance to fire at the tank until it was within flamethrowing distance of you. On paper the American flame tanks were not much different from the German ones, but the situations were entirely different.

Cool Video!

this is why the USSR switched to thermobaric rockets

Alas, Germany didn't have a 'Percy Hobart'.

@dylanmilne6683

2 ай бұрын

I disagree I think they did and he was in every German tank workshop/factory and that was a problem.

Interesting topic. I guess there is a good reason why we dont see any flmetanks today and havnt really seen them for some time. Although maybe if the point of comparison is a Marine unit on some pacific Island or an American unit in Vietnam, reports would a littel more positive. I guss it is an edge case weapon

Nice explained

The seems pretty useful if mounted on a tank that can resist all frontal fire. Seems like man portable flamethrowers are more favorable for local counterattacks tbh. Seems like the only time flame tanks could be used in mass and effectively is right after dday to clear out hedgerows and fortifications.

@bpz8175

2 ай бұрын

Or urban combat where you can torch entire rooms to dislodge defending infantry. It seems to me like the Germans kept trying to use flame tanks for things they aren't good enough at to be worth fielding.

Great video, would have been a scary proposition to come up against if you didn’t have AT support, that’s for sure.

It's one of those "win more, win harder" weapons, not for when you're losing.

I came here for the flammen jokes. I was not disappointed xD

Ich glaube der Kommentar mit dem Link ist ein bisschen zu oft aufgetaucht

@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

2 ай бұрын

Danke, KZread Kommentare bug...

@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

2 ай бұрын

Der ursprüngliche Kommentar hat nämlich die Tendenz manchmal zu verschwinden (für ein paar Tage), als workaround wurde mir geraten ihn nach release nochmal ein zu posten... der wurde dann aber nicht angezeigt, deshalb, dann nochmal, bis es geklappt hat.

@mymax1267

2 ай бұрын

@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized die unergründlichen Laune des KZreadalgorythmus :)

Good on paper... Because it burns it well?

About 14:00 the main problem was that obviously Germans were in defensive, while Allies were in offensive. Obviously, a flamethrower tank is not only an offensive weapon but even an extremum of it, therefore it excelled on side which was on offensive while defending side didn't have much use for it with exception of few local counterattacks. British and US used with great success Churchill Crocodiles in dispatching German bunkers, pillboxes and fortified buildings which were plentiful in Normandy and west Germany, against which medium caliber HE shells (like 75mm tank guns) were inefficient, and which would require substantial forces to defeat - offensive capability of Churchill Crocodile allowed their destruction in much easier way. The secondary problem is indeed German flame tank designs weren't even really needed and "wasted" tank chassis' because same task could be done by much cheaper and lighter SdKfz 251/16 flamethrower halftracks; and to me there seems that again in designing flamethrower tanks there are paths of two extremes - you either want a light and fast vehicle (like SdKfz251/16) which can rush, burn the target and scoot away, or a very heavy vehicle with enough armor that it can withstand enemy AT weaponry enough to safely close in to fire distance (indeed like Churchill Crocodile with it's 152mm-thick armor, which could withstand German AT rounds up to 7.5cm PaK40). Flame tank with medium tank chassis lacks both speed and maneuverability as well as armor protection, so it failed at it's task. Suprisingly while Hitler's dreaming of flame tank with 250mm of armor in 1945 read like 8th grader's fantasies, he still was onto something - you either want something very light or very heavy. But either way Germans didn't have neither production capabilities, strategic abilities nor tactical opportunities to produce and employ flame tanks in any way, so it's a moot point. But flame tank as idea itself is not a failed vehicle at all, like aforementioned Churchill Crocodile has proven.

@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623

2 ай бұрын

The Germans conducted offensives and counter offensives up to army levels even into 1945. It's not like they only sat in bunkers and trenches after Kursk and only defended themselves. A weapon suitable for offensive use is still useful to them.

@czwarty7878

2 ай бұрын

@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 Yes but these offensives didn't encounter heavily fortified bunkers like western allies did with German bunkers in Normandy and Germany, or like Germans encountered in early war in USSR. The defensive positions they encountered for example in Ardennes were fairly light and German's biggest problems were with mobile reinforcements not local fortifications For example sending flamethrower Hetzers with Op.Nordwind was logical, but that operation was quickly stopped again giving these vehicles little ability to prove themselves

@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623

2 ай бұрын

@@czwarty7878 I've read that the Germans said that Soviet soldiers were famous for being able to dig in and fortify their position in no time. I reckon that whenever the Wehrmacht launched a counter offensive on the East a flame tank would have been useful. More useful probably then the Sturmpanzers with the big ass mortar for actually dealing with bunkers.

Clearly You haven't played Close Combat III where Flammpanzer was OP ;)

@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

2 ай бұрын

Hah, I played the game, but I don't think I used the Flammpanzer there.

@DD-qw4fz

2 ай бұрын

Loved the flamethrower in any form in that game, the screams of enemies and the hissing sounds of the flame still warms my heart.

@Dark_Plum

2 ай бұрын

OP but still very fragile. It was a challenge to use them. But a fun challenge ;)

@user-kt9ge6ul2i

2 ай бұрын

I miss the double flamethrower 😢

-О! Ганс, смотри- там дж пз е100 -Где? -На бумаге!

@NaturalLanguageLearning

2 ай бұрын

Хаха

@alexbeau348

2 ай бұрын

@@NaturalLanguageLearning о как так зачеркнутым написалось

would you do a video looking at the effectiveness of flame tanks in the Pacific theatre? (or have you already made the video)

This seems like a genuinely useful idea until you realize you‘re not making flamethrowers better, you‘re just making tanks worse. Sure, having a mobile flamethrower protected against small-arms would on it‘s face be helpful, but in reality, it probably can‘t do much that a tank (or better yet a platoon of them) can‘t already do. Tanks already deploy the biggest gun that’s feasible to carry around, and that gun can usually destroy any position not itself protected by a bunker, casemate or heavy armor. In theory, those things the tank can‘t destroy are vulnerable to flamethrowers, but most of those things can also fire back, and then it becomes a contest of range where the flamethrower inevitably loses. Unlike a normal tank or assault gun, which can still suppress a target at significant ranges.

@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

Ай бұрын

> This seems like a genuinely useful idea until you realize you‘re not making flamethrowers > better, you‘re just making tanks worse. Very interesting point!

Wow, I did not know there was the Stug life but literally on fire👍🏻

I wonder how the Brits managed to get such a decent range out of the Crocodile when the Germans apparently couldn't? The range of the Churchill Crocodiles flamethrower was apparently up to 110 meters!

What was the doctrine for the usage of the flame tanks? You mentioned they were organized as an independent battalion at first - were they used differently then versus when there were flame tank platoons available at the battalion level?

Very interesting video. I had never heard of the Germans using captured French Char Bis2 tanks converted to flammpanzers! The idea of them being used on the eastern front is startling. The idea of them being used on the western front is kind of disturbing.

@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Not sure how feasible it would have been considering we're talking late 1944 / early 1945 time frame, and the anti-tank capabilities of everyone in Europe / Eastern Front. I know the US was quite fond of flame tanks in the Pacific. However, the Japanese army were years behind in anti-tank weaponry compared to most every other major belligerent of the war. Even in the area of infantry held anti-tank weapons, the best the Japanese could do were bundled grenades or handing a mine to a soldier and tell him to run underneath a tank. They had nothing like the Bazooka, Panzerschreck, PIAT. These weapons started to appear with the Allies and Germans in 1943 and the Japanese did not have this kind of stuff. So Sherman tanks in the Pacific had a lot of free real estate to burn.

It's adds 10% attack so it's good

5:45 Ah, yes, the Panzeranklopfkanone...

I'd be very curious to kmow how allied flame ranks faired too. Your grass is greener statement is interesting but the allies did at least seem somewhat successful with these weapons.

Could of also been referencing the hand full of M4 Crocodiles ( total of 6 built but only 4 used in combat) the US used in March to late April 1945 in western Germany at the time before the surrender was agreed to.

9:47 experience reports were rare, i can take a wild guess why

Use by the U.S. Marine Corps in the Pacific campaign of such weapons was highly effective.

@jonathansmith6050

2 ай бұрын

Fortunately the Japanese lacked effective armor support, or the kinds and numbers of anti-tank weapons commonly present on European battlefields.

The Flammpanzer of the Panzer III chaises seems like a creative improvement. It doesn't solve the fundamental problem of range, but I feel that it is impressive what they managed to do given the requirement of "put flamethrower on vehicle and try to make it as useful as possible." I wonder if it would have been effective in Africa in early 1942.Despite video games tending to use what appear to be agricultural propane-based flamethrowers instead of military ones that use liquid (because their animations and range seem to resemble the propane flamethowers), they do accurately replicate one outcome seen in real life: the thing gets shot long before it gets close to its target.

wasnt the mouse also considered to have like flamethrowers installed or such?

TY. I understand flame tanks caused more surrenders than any other sturm kampfen tactic.

14:51 This statement hits the nail in the head. If the enemy lacks anti-tank weapons, even a panzer 1 or 2 would suffice. Having an expensive (for germans, with their fuel shortage) weapon system that exploits an extremely rare weakness does not seem to be quite worth it.

I am surprised a little because the allies seemed to have pretty good results with our flame thrower tanks.

@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

Ай бұрын

Seemed. Also facing different firepower.

I think they might make sense on a panza 2

Is it even possible to just use regular tanks with incendiary shells, or would the shells just simply be too small for any useful effect?

First use of a flame tank in warfare was by Brazil. Noted the tank had a more first world war apperance then a 1930's tank but was still a somewhat capable tool of war.

Would have been interesting if they re developed the flame werfen rocket into a shell with similar effects....

In HOI, developing light armored Flame Tanks as support units for infantry or even tank division makes them stupid strong in most terrain.

For sure its good on paper, paper burns like hell!

Ah Flampanzers putting the "Char" in Char B.

Hans want a flammwerfer , he got a flammpanzer instead .

If I'm not mistaken, the Allies used flamethrowers with most success against hardened defensive positions when there would be limited fire against the flamethrowers. Was this a situation Germany faced much after 1942?

@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

2 ай бұрын

No.

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I'd really like to know about the internal mechanics. Are these barrels just regular old gun barrels? Or is the "bore" modified somehow? I understand why you would want to camouflage it to look like a normal barrel.

@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

2 ай бұрын

No, they are way thicker.

@billd2635

2 ай бұрын

@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Thanz for answering. That would make sense as a smaller diameter tube would increase the pressure.

@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

2 ай бұрын

@@billd2635 Clarification, I meant the outside diameter, didn't look at the inside, but I doubt that the barrel needs to be thicker, I think it houses a hose etc.

@billd2635

2 ай бұрын

@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Maybe I need a course in hydrodynamics. lol

It seems like the basic idea of a flame tank is to attack troops in heavy cover, especially bunkers and the like. An HE round through the bunker slit probably has similar effect, or you can use artillery or air power (even delivering napalm or similar). To get that flamethrower of questionable utility, youre giving up an enormous amount of range which leaves you very vulnerable. Something like the crocodile, that used a flamethrower instead of an MG but retained the main gun, makes a lot more sense. It still seems that flame tanks would always be a highly specialised weapon and only used in small numbers in specific locations.

@czwarty7878

2 ай бұрын

"An HE round through the bunker slit probably has similar effect" Oh how easy it is to deduce that in theory ;) it was tested and tried, HE from 75mm gun will not defeat a reinforced pillbox. That's exactly why British and US used to great extent Churchill Crocodile, often in pairs with AVREs, to dispatch German bunkers in Normandy and Germany. It was very effective weapon doing job that would otherwise require an entire operation with substantial forces

@TheDoctor1225

2 ай бұрын

"It still seems that flame tanks would always be a highly specialised weapon and only used in small numbers in specific locations." You mean, like a flamethrower itself? Unlike video games, you didn't have entire groups of flamethrower carrying soldiers running around torching other people. It was a specialized weapon, used for specific reasons such as reinforced pillboxes and allowed the soldiers to be protected while using it.

@TheDoctor1225

2 ай бұрын

@@czwarty7878 Armchair Generalship can be obtained fairly easily, especially some 70+ years after the fact, I understand. Comments like "An HE round through the bunker slit probably has similar effect" shows that pretty well, many times.

It seems a very makeshift approach was used. it would be interesting to compare the flammpanzer development to the allied versions.

I’d love to see Vietnam flame tank reports

Help a flammpanzer III is chasing me what do I do

It flamms Panzers!

I read that the Soviets had a flamethrower that could reach 300 meters

@Darilon12

2 ай бұрын

300ft? Maybe. 300m? Physically impossible.

@nattygsbord

2 ай бұрын

@@Darilon12 I read it in a very old piece of "Arménytt" (the newspaper magazine of the Swedish army). In Sweden we never use feet as a measurement for anything. Here we only use meters instead. The magazine did compare flamethrowers from Nato with Soviet union. And most of the "best" western flamethrowers did not even have half that range.

@Darilon12

2 ай бұрын

Then it's most likely wrong. Maybe someone fell for soviet propaganda. Every increase in range needs an increase in pressure. Anything above 100m gets very hard. Even today we can hardly throw water more than 200m. I doubt it gets any easier with burning fuel.

@penelopegreene

Ай бұрын

Notice them compensating? 😁

I wonder if "the troops" that rejected and then requested a Flammpanzer were the same, as in if they belonged to the same army branch. I suspect this could have been the usual case of normal infantry overrating tank capabilities compounded by the fact that they were under attack, on the backfoot, and more specifically having some of their comrades being burned alive.

@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

2 ай бұрын

I doubt that.

@jacopomangini3036

2 ай бұрын

@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Because the General who compiled the report only worked with panzer units, or something along those lines? I guess that could be it, and it could just be a case of "greener grass" then.

@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

2 ай бұрын

Generally, one would use flame thrower tanks against infantry that is entrenched, etc. There was infantry in tank division, but less, whereas nearly every other division consisted mostly of infantry. Additionally, bringing out a flame thrower tank, against a tank division increases the chance of being flank etc.

I think the Russians also had a flammpanzer - based on the T-34.

14:10 Why would it be the churchil and not the other variants of flame tanks the allies developed?

@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

2 ай бұрын

Because as far as I remember only the Churchill Crocodile was brought up several times in my comment section.

@WilhelmScreamer

2 ай бұрын

@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized understandable, have a nice day

Well the croc worked because it replaces a hull machine gun with flame, but you still get the proper gun in a turret. I'll have a flamer over a .303 hull machine gun, definitely.

@jrd33

2 ай бұрын

Also, a fuel trailer makes sense when the tank is only intended to advance at 5 mph against static enemy positions. Best flame tank of the war.

@flarvin8945

2 ай бұрын

flame tanks that were based on the US M3 light tank and M4 medium tank, which replaced the main gun with a flame thrower, worked well for the USMC in the Pacific.

@QofSQ

2 ай бұрын

@@flarvin8945 That's a good point. The video, and possibly my comment, assume the European theatre as Germany weren't really in the Pacific. As the Japanese didn't have a large number of well armoured tanks, lighter vehicles with minimal anti-tank ability will work well for a flame unit.

@flarvin8945

2 ай бұрын

@@QofSQ the wasp based on the universal carrier and the badger based on the ram tank were liked by the Canadians, and they lacked a "proper gun." There were several successful flame thrower tanks used by the allies, that did not have proper guns.

@jrd33

2 ай бұрын

@@flarvin8945 I suspect this is because the Japanese did not have the effective anti-tank weaponry that the Germans had in 1944/45. But I doubt the Churchill Crocodile would have done well on Pacific island terrain. It's about picking the right equipment for the environment and the enemy.

Given the state of today's technology, I think tank trailers should make a come back. Make the trailer powered and "smart." Make it detachable from the inside, and give it some AI instructions along the lines of "if the trailer gets detached then get out of the way."

It would be interesting to compare the use of flame tanks by the US in the Pacific to the German experience. Why they were successful for the US and seemingly unsuccessful for the Germans.

Flammpanzer translation: you fill flammer in your panz

HANZ GET ZE FLAMMENWERFER

I think the Germans originally designed the Maus with flamethrowers; they were later deleted.

I wonder how such a weapon system would work today, with all the technology available. Could work decently (if supported properly) in some urban warfare situations.

@causewaykayak

2 ай бұрын

I was wondering if Laminar Flow tech' might keep a coherent fuel jet over longer distances. ?? Be useful for shallow underground bunkers - stripping out oxygen.

@jrd33

2 ай бұрын

We have a far better understanding of explosives today, and much better delivery systems. Flamethrowers are just obsolete because the basic physics limitations remain (short range, inaccurate, bulky and volatile fuel etc). An RPG or similar is just better.

How about urban combat? RPGs weren't common and even then, you don't want to get too close...

I think it would only made Sense when they were used in anphibies operations. And also the tank would have needed to be a new model. You cant use outdated tanks. Its like breakthrough tanks. It like brumbear and sturmtiger. When its finally would have been finished. It didnr have a purpose anymore. So you only can use this in spesific sitiations when you have the inititiv. And not on the defensiv. Or its only a one trick Pony. Flamenwerfer ist also in infantry weapon use only a offensiv weapon. So it suggest its not very usefull when you allready at the defensiv 1943. And in the early years germany didnt had the Ressources to develop a specfic Tank for satch tasks. As specially when there is no sitiation anphibies natur were you could use satch a thing for the Germans. Hätten die vorher auch wissen können. Man hat halt in der Not alles versucht nutzbar zu machen. Was trotz alledem schwachsinnig war ohne das man sich vorher mal Gedanken gemacht hat.

I gotta say, this kinda misses the point of a flame tank as demonstrated by the crocodile. The purpose of battle, and especially a flame tank, is to compel the enemy to stop resisting. Using a flame tank to attack highly fortified positions is a waste. Really you want to use these in mop up exercises and convince pockets of infantry to surrender without further fighting. But I think German battle thinking is always towards the hard factors of weapon systems, not the soft factors. If it were, they would have known you needed a crocodile like heavy vehicle to make intimidation a possibility.

clearly the smart move would be to build a gigantic paintball gun with napalm paintballs and some kind of ignition system

@causewaykayak

2 ай бұрын

not a bad idea. Sort of auto grenade launcher mechanism ?

@ericferguson9989

2 ай бұрын

​@@causewaykayakkind of like the Soviet ampule cannon. It shot glass spheres filled with a pyrophoric liquid that caught fire when the glass shattered.

@causewaykayak

2 ай бұрын

@@ericferguson9989 Sounds rife with user hazard. Bit like the nuclear hand grenade 😏

Tank

Why didnt the Germans or any other country use phosphor shells instead?

Ronson tank.

GAIJIN, WHEN?!?! Snail come on

well done I did not realize Germany had any flame throwing tanks at all. I think they were most effectively used in the Pacific against Japanese bunkers. The idea of using them as an assault weapon is not very practical and as time went on the United States did that with napalm dropped from airplanes. And of course thermite dropped on cities in factories in Europe by the eighth Air Force which I reject the idea of doing. Very inhumane thinking of Hamburg and Dresden. Did you know that more people were killed in Tokyo in the fire bombing raids than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki using two Atom bombs? The atomic bombs were just convenient and the allies were thinking ahead about a confrontation with Russia.

It appears that the thought process then as it is today, go BIG or go home. Obviously, the thinking is wrong. Flame throwers do not "scale up" very well. What would have made more sense would be the other direction... go smaller. Like, say a FlammGoliath. 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐

Works on paper Lol

No way Germany had enough fuel to waste it like this

@thatOneViewer1856

2 ай бұрын

They were going to fuel it with the Fuhrer's tears.