Wespe: A Successful Failure?

The Wespe was a self-propelled artillery based on the Panzer II chassis mainly employed by the Panzer- and Panzergrenadier-Divisions from Summer 1943 onwards. In this video we look at the origin, its performance, general assessment, an experience report and overall production numbers as well.
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  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized3 жыл бұрын

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  • @PremierHistory

    @PremierHistory

    3 жыл бұрын

    ‘Wasp’ doesn’t exactly cause the enemy to shake in their boots though does it

  • @yoshisislandcustomlevels3022

    @yoshisislandcustomlevels3022

    3 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/oIyamKegoJqxp5M.html..

  • @typxxilps

    @typxxilps

    3 жыл бұрын

    2:47 ... any secret hidden message in the black box that appears and disappears ? ah, a visitor in the background I guess

  • @Uzzgub

    @Uzzgub

    3 жыл бұрын

    A Interaction helps the Algorithm

  • @flexprime2010

    @flexprime2010

    3 жыл бұрын

    do you know if the soviet equivalent(su-76 i think) is as good?

  • @DasPanzermuseum
    @DasPanzermuseum3 жыл бұрын

    Dude, you filmed a year's worth of material when you were with us, didn't you?

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well, it was far more efficient than my previous visit(s), yet there is definitely room for improvement. But yeah, 5 pages of Excel tables for all the different scenes etc. if I remember correctly...

  • @DasPanzermuseum

    @DasPanzermuseum

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Okay then, next time will charge by the weight of the filmed materiel. :D

  • @aspielm759

    @aspielm759

    3 жыл бұрын

    I wish I could visit you one day...

  • @thomaszhang3101

    @thomaszhang3101

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DasPanzermuseum oh my. How did I not realize you started a KZread channel?! Subbed

  • @yoshisislandcustomlevels3022

    @yoshisislandcustomlevels3022

    3 жыл бұрын

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  • @hendrikvanleeuwen9110
    @hendrikvanleeuwen91103 жыл бұрын

    'So we want something like a tank with a huge gun but still a three-sixty traverse and removable turret, but lighter.' Okay. Good luck.

  • @tamlandipper29

    @tamlandipper29

    3 жыл бұрын

    Welcome to the magical world of requirements engineering.

  • @KuK137

    @KuK137

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@tamlandipper29 Or nazi/far right idiocy. Remember how adolf demanded me 262 to be fighter, fighter bomber, dive bomber, bomber, and courier plane all at once?

  • @williamforbes6919

    @williamforbes6919

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@KuK137 Why don't you head on over to Military Aviation History's channel and figure out where you messed up here. Just because someone has an idiotic ideology doesn't mean all their decisions are irrational, the same goes for those with good ideologies still being just as capable of making idiotic decisions.

  • @alvarohernani6645

    @alvarohernani6645

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also i want it to make my tax declaration, carry the kids to football and be hybrid

  • @tamlandipper29

    @tamlandipper29

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@KuK137 Well, you're right there. If you think the solution is the genocide might be your requirements are likely to be a bit off in general.

  • @looinrims
    @looinrims3 жыл бұрын

    Self propellled artillery should be called SPARTY and I’m not giving up on this

  • @spitefulwar

    @spitefulwar

    3 жыл бұрын

    This is madness? This is SPAAAAARTY! Yeah right we're with you there.

  • @looinrims

    @looinrims

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@spitefulwar *155mm shell noise*

  • @yoshisislandcustomlevels3022

    @yoshisislandcustomlevels3022

    3 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/oIyamKegoJqxp5M.html..

  • @LowStuff

    @LowStuff

    3 жыл бұрын

    can we call self propelled howitzers SHARTY?

  • @looinrims

    @looinrims

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@LowStuff yes

  • @raylast3873
    @raylast38733 жыл бұрын

    „Hitler forbade calling it Wespe.“ „I‘m gonna keep doing it though“ Hitler: DAS WAR EIN BEFEHL! DIE NAMENSÄNDERUNG DER FELDHAUBITZE AUF PANZERKAMPFWAGEN 2 WAR EIN BEFEHL... … I am surrounded by traitors” *cries dramatically*

  • @cursedtigor6452

    @cursedtigor6452

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hhahaah underrated comment

  • @razorblade6746

    @razorblade6746

    2 жыл бұрын

    Underrated shit

  • @robertagren9360

    @robertagren9360

    2 жыл бұрын

    Speer

  • @scottbauer71

    @scottbauer71

    2 жыл бұрын

    mit Stalin

  • @leofwulf268

    @leofwulf268

    Жыл бұрын

    Untergang memes less goooo

  • @Thirdbase9
    @Thirdbase93 жыл бұрын

    If you need your SPARTY to fire to the rear, you have bigger problems than whether or not it can.

  • @wrayday7149

    @wrayday7149

    3 жыл бұрын

    France - visibly confused.

  • @jasonr8967

    @jasonr8967

    3 жыл бұрын

    Tell that to the designers of the Archer SPG.

  • @lmyrski8385
    @lmyrski83853 жыл бұрын

    You forget a major positive, the Wespe used an existing chasis that wasn't of much use other than as a platform for the 7.5 cm PAK. As such, the Wespe did not interfere with Stug, Panzer IV, or other tank production and allowed existing production lines to produce a useful vehicle rather than having to stop them to retool. Although you mentioned it used the obsolete panzer II chasis, you didn't point ot out as a positive when it should be given Germany's situation. I wonder though if the 38t chasis might have been a better choice? Pretty sure the Panzer III chasis would have been better, but would it be worth having lass Stugs on hand?

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well, I didn't talk about production benefits, also this is kinda implied with obsolete panzer 2 and existing components.

  • @seriousmaran9414

    @seriousmaran9414

    3 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if they could have done the same with some of the obsolete French tanks? The long term problem with that might be the German army's supply chain was already very complex and would get worse.

  • @chrisgibson5267

    @chrisgibson5267

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@seriousmaran9414 I believe that a visit to Baustab -Becker is called for.

  • @seriousmaran9414

    @seriousmaran9414

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@chrisgibson5267 yes, I have found instances of conversion, thanks. Should have searched earlier. The slower French tanks would not have been fast enough to keep up, so probably not worth converting.

  • @bradcampbell7253

    @bradcampbell7253

    2 жыл бұрын

    With German shortages of everything, was there any efforts to reclaim and recycle old tanks and vehicles and steel? Seems to me the soviets left a lot of scrap steel laying around.

  • @amschind
    @amschind3 жыл бұрын

    I presume that an open topped turret was completely reasonable until the end of 1944, though the basis for thinking so is a bit tangential. One of the most striking things about Junger's Storm of Steel is the enormous delta between the AMOUNT of artillery fire encountered and the actual EFFECT of the fire upon the intended targets. The thing that stands out is that the rounds were not inaccurate, but impossible to fuze with sufficient precision to achieve a vertical shotgun effect with the shrapnel. The effect of the proximity fuze cannot be understated both in terms of how terrifying it is and how different artillery fire utilizing it was from all prior bombardment. In the context of the Wespe, the VT fuze transformed the risk of shrapnel hitting the vehicle from the top from a theoretical risk to a likelihood. On a more human level, the public still doesn't grasp how brutal a war between advanced peer powers would be, as the popular conception of a war against a peer enemy is either the theoretical risk of nuclear war or conventional warfare in WW2. There has not yet been a war in which opponents faced off against once another both armed with corps level VT fuzed artillery as well as modern air defenses to cover it. Perhaps the closest analogue is the Egyptian attack across the Suez in 1973, though the scale of casualties there was heavily mitigated by Israeli fortifications and a rapid transition to a war of maneuver beyond the range of the static Egyptian artillery units. Consider that today, modern militaries are rapidly transitioning to rocket assisted, terminal guided, drone spotted proximity fuzed artillery. In terms of the Wespe, without retrofitted active countermeasures, it could be killed by a single round from over 30km, or even a single mortar round from 6.5 km. War is awful, but modern war will end us all.

  • @nottoday3817

    @nottoday3817

    3 жыл бұрын

    I would say that a lot of the improvements in modern artillery are meant to increase 'economic efficiency'. Like the Multiple Simultaneous Impact Rounds are great because they allow for a single unit to blast the same area as a battery. (Which is something you might not even want actually). However, there are scary ones as well. In terms of improved efficiency/killing potentioal, I would suggest the Russian/Soviet thermobaric artillery. That thing is beyond scary. Maybe just as much as a VT fuse

  • @genericpersonx333

    @genericpersonx333

    3 жыл бұрын

    Modern war may end up being somewhat less lethal overall without resorting to nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons because no one can make enough of the precision munitions to do the kind of slaughter that the 20th century conflicts achieved. Today, we have a half-dozen precise missiles to do the job that used to be done with hundreds of artillery shells. We stopped having the hundreds of artillery shells so as to pay for the missiles. We now have a few dozen artillery shells rotting away, and the guns to fire them are not being given the love they need either, so fewer barrels are persisting. Why does this matter? Well, you can't flatten a few square kilometers with the missiles, and you don't have the artillery to do it anymore, so the damage is localized to where the missiles are hitting. So war between peer states would be extraordinarily violent for the engaged combat units as they burn up their stockpiled precision munitions, but then the fighting would peter out as industry takes the months and years to actually tool up. The combatants would have to choose between trying to quickly rearm with cheap old-fashioned weapons to get as much manpower fighting again or they would accept a much lower rate of violence while waiting for the factories to figure out how to make the same volume of precision munitions in months that had taken years in peacetime. Hundreds of thousands would certainly still be dying, but we may have actually worked ourselves to a point where the technology dominating warfare is less effective at mass murder than it is at precise murder, and that is actually good for reducing the overall damage done.

  • @aussiviking604

    @aussiviking604

    3 жыл бұрын

    They say it was the new proximity fuse, that did the damage to the Nazis during the battle of the bulge.

  • @rathernotsay8185

    @rathernotsay8185

    3 жыл бұрын

    That was essay! Talkabout Schindlers list lol

  • @princeofcupspoc9073

    @princeofcupspoc9073

    3 жыл бұрын

    You are looking at it backward. You have N tons for armor. Where do you put that armor to do the most good? Most attacks will be small arms from the front and shrapnel from all directions. So you can save a lot of weight by not putting a top on it. That said, the vehicle WAS too small. The Soviets produced the much more successful SU-122, with a bigger gun, on a T-34 chassis, with good armor all around.

  • @PanzerRanger
    @PanzerRanger3 жыл бұрын

    Any ideas around vidoes about Panzer Flak? I.e Möbelwagen, Ostwind

  • @halolime117

    @halolime117

    3 жыл бұрын

    I would like to see some too!

  • @freakyfishy1

    @freakyfishy1

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah good idea.

  • @kaineuhauser9353

    @kaineuhauser9353

    3 жыл бұрын

    Very good Idea. especially the Performance of the flakpanzer 38

  • @Chris-ql9bu

    @Chris-ql9bu

    3 жыл бұрын

    I want Videos about Ostwind and Kugelblitz! 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @hendrikvanleeuwen9110

    @hendrikvanleeuwen9110

    3 жыл бұрын

    Damn. Got nothing either!

  • @joge3031
    @joge30313 жыл бұрын

    If I had to guess I'd wager that "saving weight" is code for saving material used for this upgrade

  • @ronglurak9892

    @ronglurak9892

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good catch that makes a lot of sense.

  • @Sniper5875
    @Sniper58753 жыл бұрын

    the wespe is still my favourite spg of ww2, something about its tiny size made it cute to me

  • @athelwulfgalland

    @athelwulfgalland

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'd bet the Soviets downrange of them never once thought that they were "cute." Suddenly I'm reminded of the rabbit in Monte Python and the Holy Grail! lol

  • @robertagren9360

    @robertagren9360

    2 жыл бұрын

    So civilized

  • @variszuzans299
    @variszuzans2993 жыл бұрын

    0:23 Thanks for caring for our sanity, really appreciated ;)

  • @mattbowden4996
    @mattbowden49963 жыл бұрын

    I recall reading (I think in Chamberlain and Ellis) that the M7 was an inefficiently large chassis for a 105mm gun, and here we learn that the Wespe was if anything a bit too small. I wonder if the Pz IV chassis might also have been a bit big, but the Pz III chassis could have been the perfect size for a 105mm armed SPG? The post war US M37 105mm HMC was based on the M24 chassis, and dimensionally that's about the same size as a Pz III.

  • @ScreamingSturmovik

    @ScreamingSturmovik

    3 жыл бұрын

    really the idea that the artillery "needs" what was asked for is silly considering the need to deploy a battery of artillery in order to have any meaningful effect on target area carrying amo and crew is kind of a luxury, they are not really tactical that's what Stugs are for, although Russia used SU-76s as assault guns but was that really a "good" idea M7 has it's flaws but spoils the hell out of it's crew with all the space, amo and the .50 the title is a bit unfair as the criteria is so stringent almost no WW2 SPG could be considered successful

  • @michaelkensbock661

    @michaelkensbock661

    3 жыл бұрын

    Panzer 3 and Panzer 4 were the same size.

  • @mattbowden4996

    @mattbowden4996

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@michaelkensbock661 Have you seen the two vehicles side by side? Or even two models in the same scale side by side? The Panzer III is visibly more compact than the Panzer IV.

  • @lukasbechtel2401

    @lukasbechtel2401

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@michaelkensbock661 No 3 has a smaller chassis. But his production where stopped 1943 so ...

  • @boomboomf2268

    @boomboomf2268

    3 жыл бұрын

    Pz3 production was stopped in 1943, however there were significant numbers of pz3 chassis Available right up to the end of the war. Thus a conversion of a pz3 chassis to self propelled artillery is not infeasible

  • @MyTv-
    @MyTv-3 жыл бұрын

    The design specifications seems been written by the usual military committee! Then it was down too economy, time and physical laws to make sense of the mess!

  • @animavideography1379
    @animavideography13793 жыл бұрын

    Your level of research, insight, & detail is unsurpassed on KZread, & I am a Panzer Wehrmacht obsessive since my early teens in the mid 70's. Your channel for the deep detailed dives & Mark Felton's Channel for the WW2 stories are all anyone needs here for a comprehensive overview of the German Army during WW2.

  • @CrowDawg11
    @CrowDawg118 күн бұрын

    Absolute best channel to come to for well-researched and well-presented information on German equipment and tactics of WWII, presented by an actual German so you can learn the correct pronunciation of the names as well! Thanks for what you do!

  • @bobh9492
    @bobh94923 жыл бұрын

    The number of Wespe surviving the war seems very high. Could you elaborate on self propelled artillery survival versus other tank types such as tank destroyers and 2nd and first line tanks?

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    maybe in the future, I don't have enough data on that yet myself. It could also be that they were not used anymore, although that I consider unlikely since they were listed with the field army.

  • @bobh9492

    @bobh9492

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Thank you. I appreciate your work.

  • @Lappmogel

    @Lappmogel

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well they are support vehicles, they are armored and they didn't carry a lot of ammo. So by the time the battle went south they where probably long out of ammo and there was no reason for them to stick around any longer. Meanwhile the tanks gets destroyed by direct fire and the other support vehicles gets destroyed by indirect fire or just small arms fire.

  • @TenOrbital
    @TenOrbital3 жыл бұрын

    I had so much fun with Grilles and Wespes in WoT. Before they were nerfed. I could hit a speeding light tank with an artillery shell! To the amazement of my teammates. Fun times. And Grilles and Wespes could race around the rear areas to avoid enemy breakthroughs or sprint forward if the game was going well. Often I could occupy an objective while the tanks took the next one while my shells rained on the enemy! What a time it was!

  • @SouthParkCows88
    @SouthParkCows883 жыл бұрын

    I just put together the 1/35 Wespe model, she is nice.

  • @rotgutthebloated4730

    @rotgutthebloated4730

    3 жыл бұрын

    I got 1/76 from revell

  • @Nightcrawlerfive

    @Nightcrawlerfive

    3 жыл бұрын

    How can you tell a female Wespe from a male Wespe?

  • @faatihh1130

    @faatihh1130

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Nightcrawlerfive the male has less color (monotone camouflage)

  • @billd.iniowa2263
    @billd.iniowa22633 жыл бұрын

    Thanx so much for this one Bernhard. I find the SPGs just as interesting as the tanks. Dare you tackle the Marder tank destroyer series? There are so many variants of them due to their being made in different places and the availability of guns. A hodge podge of components to get guns on anything that moved on tracks.

  • @SusCalvin

    @SusCalvin

    3 жыл бұрын

    Was there any difference between self-propelled artillery in general and dedicated tank destroyers?

  • @billd.iniowa2263

    @billd.iniowa2263

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@SusCalvin Well tank destroyers or "Jagdpanzers" or also "Panzerjagers" are much more armored and lower hulled. They are sort of snipers so to speak. But the Germans were putting guns on anything that moved. Thats where the Marders and the Nashorn comes in. I believe they had an assortment of rounds they carried. Not just anti tank rounds but high explosives to deal with infantry too. So I'd put them in the SPG category. At least thats my understanding.

  • @brenokrug7775
    @brenokrug77753 жыл бұрын

    I've been here for some time, and I see your video quality has really improved. Congratulations!

  • @roterex9115
    @roterex91153 жыл бұрын

    3:00 quick tip for when someone walks through your shot, you've got the camera on a tripod so the shots not moving. Rather than placing a black box over that area take a screenshot when no one is in the frame, cut out that section of the frame and place it over the same area when someone walks through. As long as you lighting is consistent and you get it in the right spot it will look almost seamless and not draw the eye in the way a black box suddenly appearing does.

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    might consider that, but in that case I probably won't do it, since some "challenged" people actually claim I was all alone in the museum at the time.

  • @grizwoldphantasia5005

    @grizwoldphantasia5005

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Oh well, keep the feet visible, that is what I finally noticed. I thought at first it was another colorized night video.

  • @candyjanusen7417

    @candyjanusen7417

    2 ай бұрын

    These fools were a step behind - the truth is that you invented this "museum," and all so-called visitors are paid actors!@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized

  • @dylanmilne6683
    @dylanmilne66833 жыл бұрын

    Nice video. It'd be interesting to see the Heuschrecke 10 covered.

  • @mchrome3366
    @mchrome33663 жыл бұрын

    For a WW 2 nut like myself your channel has been a goldmine of information that even 10 years ago would have been very difficult to impossible to find. Thank you.

  • @spacetexan8695
    @spacetexan86953 жыл бұрын

    Germans with surgical masks make me nervous 😅

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    too much Team Fortress 2?

  • @spacetexan8695

    @spacetexan8695

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MilitaryHistoryVisualized to much precision in a GERMAN surgeon You guys are precise enough already 😂❤️

  • @TheNheg66

    @TheNheg66

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well, thank god he is an Austrian then.

  • @ludo9234

    @ludo9234

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@TheNheg66 So was A H .

  • @VK-jy3pi

    @VK-jy3pi

    3 жыл бұрын

    Their famous aerosolized condiment, Mustard, used to peacefully dispatch hostilities between in World Peace 1. With its distinctive taste and color.

  • @looinrims
    @looinrims3 жыл бұрын

    “Task failed successfully”

  • @MahkReeProductions
    @MahkReeProductions3 жыл бұрын

    I just built a 1/35 scale model of this Wespe. Loved it! I am surprised to learn the large indent on the rear folding hatch was not a scale model addition but actual design.

  • @tabletopgeneralsde310
    @tabletopgeneralsde3103 жыл бұрын

    Good video, allways nice how you explain the military vehicles.

  • @yankeetown3739
    @yankeetown37393 жыл бұрын

    Love your videos. Keep up the good work!

  • @russwoodward8251
    @russwoodward82513 жыл бұрын

    A stunning level of research. Thank you!

  • @davidhimmelsbach557
    @davidhimmelsbach5573 жыл бұрын

    The Mark II was no longer a viable front line chassis. So Wespe was a very viable utilization of Germany's production capacity.

  • @julianjackson6824
    @julianjackson68243 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for another excellent video. I enjoyed it, and learned some things I didn't know.

  • @dapperfield595
    @dapperfield5953 жыл бұрын

    Would be interesting to hear about Germany's own night witches (Störkampfstaffel) and how effective they were. Great video as always!

  • @YanyTori
    @YanyTori3 жыл бұрын

    The only modern artillery design with a removable independent turret that I can think of is a NEMO mounted in a 20-ft-container. It's a 120mm automatic breech loading mortar manufactured by Patria. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_NEMO

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    thank you!

  • @bjoernschneider7762

    @bjoernschneider7762

    2 жыл бұрын

    KMW's AGM can be removed, too, at least the Boxer module can be replaced easily. Maybe then placed on a mount for stationary use. Maybe even lifted by helicopter, at 12.5t however at the limit of a CH-47 and put on a mointain ...

  • @jeremy28135
    @jeremy281353 жыл бұрын

    Very very good video. Thanks brother! Keep safe my friend ✌️

  • @richardcharay7788
    @richardcharay77883 жыл бұрын

    Interesting and informative, thanks!

  • @maleficarus
    @maleficarus3 жыл бұрын

    Nice work!

  • @scottjohnson9912
    @scottjohnson99123 жыл бұрын

    Great video. As usual .

  • @TheLastPhoen1x
    @TheLastPhoen1x3 жыл бұрын

    On the removable turret, british M22 Locust had one, but not be removed and used as emplacement - it was the way to transport tank by air under the cargo plane, then assemble it on site.

  • @TheNavalAviator
    @TheNavalAviator3 жыл бұрын

    *Hitler in 1944 Losing the war on all fronts:* "Why are my SPA's named like insects?!" 10:00 Also, I think the word you're looking for is accuracy. The high precision of artillery fire means a compromise of accuracy and fire-readiness due to having to remap your position after relocation.

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    hint: don't edit your post after receiving if a "love", because you will lose it, instead add a second comment; btw. your addition also breaks the joke, so a second comment is far better hear in any way.

  • @TheNavalAviator

    @TheNavalAviator

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Thx for the hint, didn't want to spam :)

  • @PHOBOS1708
    @PHOBOS17083 жыл бұрын

    toller Beitrag.mach doch mal was zu den "wandernden Kesseln" zum Ende des Krieges. auch sehr spannend mal was von dir dazu zu hören ...

  • @MGB-learning
    @MGB-learning2 жыл бұрын

    Great video!

  • @majorkursk780
    @majorkursk7803 жыл бұрын

    Good presentation....The Wespe was a very valuable machine.

  • @MaRKeR2012
    @MaRKeR20123 жыл бұрын

    Great video again!

  • @laszlokaestner5766
    @laszlokaestner57663 жыл бұрын

    I lost it at "Soft Targets".

  • @danielm7794
    @danielm77943 жыл бұрын

    I kinda wanna see a video on the Nashorn

  • @mattw785
    @mattw7852 жыл бұрын

    i DID enjoy this video! Your stuff is great.

  • @McRocket
    @McRocket3 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting. Thank you. peace.

  • @glenschumannGlensWorkshop
    @glenschumannGlensWorkshop3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @magicfoxgaming1500
    @magicfoxgaming15003 жыл бұрын

    Tolles Video! Grüße aus der Schweiz

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    danke!

  • @clausbohm9807
    @clausbohm98073 жыл бұрын

    Love listening to a german speaking person talking about german weaponry ... so much more authentic! Playing HOI3/Black Ice really makes someone appreciate this info. Forgot the fact (con) it cost more fuel. I wich you could have talked about kill ratios and the performance in battle overall.

  • @jakubl8271
    @jakubl82713 жыл бұрын

    Talking about mobility you didn't mention ground pressure - this is also an important factor. It looks like Wespe' tracks are quite narrow. To put 30 rounds in a batter perspective, it would be great to hear how fast a Wespe could fire out its ammo supply.

  • @mikhailiagacesa3406
    @mikhailiagacesa34063 жыл бұрын

    Wespe, my favorite Chit in PanzerBlitz.

  • @zaho87
    @zaho873 жыл бұрын

    I love the Wespe, you never expect too much out of it, and yet it always exceeds expectations.

  • @origamichik3n
    @origamichik3n3 жыл бұрын

    1:50 Nooooo... Not Das Teddy!

  • @sevenproxies4255
    @sevenproxies42553 жыл бұрын

    I'm here thinking: what if you could make a design where the 360 traverse is achieved by the gunner being able to assume control of the tracks on the vehicle? Self-propelled artillery isn't intended to fire during movement anyway. The intent is to be able to keep up with armored units, and also relocate quickly after firing one or several shots. So if you had a system where the gunner and loader assume control over the tracks for traverse purposes, while the driver has the ability to override it during the case of an emergency, you could've saved a lot of construction that goes into the turret so the gun only requires elevation control.

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    addressed in the video

  • @sevenproxies4255

    @sevenproxies4255

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Ah, I jumped the gun a bit there. Thank you for the correction!

  • @stuartm2106
    @stuartm21063 жыл бұрын

    The PanzerArtilerrie officer's recommendation: "we should use the PzIV chassis". Not when the Panzer forces need every PzIV they can get - there's a reason the PzIV stayed in production right to the end.

  • @paullakowski2509

    @paullakowski2509

    2 жыл бұрын

    the concept of 105mm how on tank chassis was listed in the 1934 KSTN for the first panzer divisions.

  • @hoodoo2001
    @hoodoo20013 жыл бұрын

    Added to that number of Priests the British (through Canada) produced 2,100 Sextons with 25 pounder guns. No wonder the tactic of using firepower to wear down the opponent rather than expend lives was the trademark of British-American offense and defense. On top of that the US delivered over 1,700 M8 (75mm M5 Stuart) self propelled guns as well 1,300 105mm Shermans. Very few of this vehicles were lost in combat.

  • @VosperCDN
    @VosperCDN3 жыл бұрын

    It's always illuminating to see the production disparity between Axis and Allies. I can't imagine how 'the baddies' ever really expected to come back from their various losses (once their initial shot at victory failed), let alone muster enough to actually win in a longer conflict.

  • @kleinerprinz99

    @kleinerprinz99

    3 жыл бұрын

    they never expected to win in the long run and were quite surprised by their successes themselves in the beginning and then there was hitlers & Co barbarossa eradication programme, thats what happens when you mix economical, political and military goals with a fucked up idiology with its own occultism etc.

  • @die1mayer

    @die1mayer

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hitler thought anyone who claimed a country had 10,000 tanks was insane.

  • @jakobc.2558
    @jakobc.25583 жыл бұрын

    Odd question, but does anyone know if the M7 Priest had/used a HE-VT (proximity fuze) shells? I have been looking into this topic and although I am aware that the HE-VT shell was used by U.S. atillery from the battle of the buldge onwards, I can not find out which atillery guns used the shells. I would imagine that the "Long Tom" 155mm atillery used them the most and I would also guess that some people in the U.S. army would be opposed to have self propelled atillery (which had a higher chance of getting captured by enemy forces) carry around the allies greatest military secret but I just cant find any sources on it what so ever.

  • @tf2664
    @tf26643 жыл бұрын

    Nice video

  • @beachboy0505
    @beachboy05053 жыл бұрын

    Clever idea 💡

  • @thanakritpenbumrungvong9597
    @thanakritpenbumrungvong95973 жыл бұрын

    So the main point is, Wespe got quite a lot of drawbacks but somehow works well on the battlefields?

  • @lwilton
    @lwilton3 жыл бұрын

    On the point about "lighter weight for mobility" (or however it was phrased), I believe there is evidence that that was done. Specifically it is an open-topped vehicle. A closed armored top would have added perhaps a ton or two to the overall weight, and made the unit nearly immobile. I believe there is some documentary evidence that US self-propelled artillery was likewise open topped to reduce overall weight and increase mobility (or at least allow mobility).

  • @peasant8246

    @peasant8246

    3 жыл бұрын

    A steel roof plate 2,5 x 2,5m and 10mm thick would weight about 500kg, so you were pretty close.

  • @JMiskovsky
    @JMiskovsky3 жыл бұрын

    Independent gun was used in OT 810 the recoiless gun was removable. Australian M777 gun carrier can fire gun while in carry position also independently I think

  • @buckfiden8445
    @buckfiden84453 жыл бұрын

    I know I'm getting off the subject here but when you mentioned 140 horsepower it didn't sound like a lot but yet there's no mention of how much rated torque it is. and so as it's the torque that actually gets heavy objects moving why isn't there more important placed on torque in descriptions. A Ford escort had 140 horsepower, but you never saw that kind of engine in a tank because of the torque. And I am quite sure that in all armies there are plenty of lower horsepower engines that have twice the torque in a different application, mainly dependent on stroke. Well that's enough of my rambling but it would be nice that in the horsepower stats you included the torque and RPM ratings. Thank you for great videos.

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen torque values so far, rpm sometimes. I guess it is too special.

  • @buckfiden8445

    @buckfiden8445

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Sometimes I Google it myself if I know the name of the engine.

  • @jeffjefferson2676
    @jeffjefferson26763 жыл бұрын

    Hello! I think its a bit odd that the Wespe only had 30 rounds of ammunition with it. If they would have chosen a bigger chasse they could have gotten away with more room for rounds. But i think you also need to view this from the production point of view. They probably already have a production line ready for the Panzer II chase, and while they were beefing up the tanks with heavier chasses, the Panzer II chasse probably became available. And they probably filled that gap up with the Wespe design. Also the ammo carrier is the same shape as the Wespe, that also shows that they wanted to keep production simple, so nothing fancy for the ammo carrier and they used the same design as the Wespe. Today we have plasma cutters and CAD programs that let you design and build in a really quick pace. If they had that back in the day it would have been a lot easier to get things done. I think engineers back in the day were real artists, the amount of work you have to put in to get a drawing right, its a tedious job. Any way; nice video! Greetings, Jeff

  • @watcherzero5256

    @watcherzero5256

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think the original idea was moveable gun, if a Wespe is knocked out you move its gun into an ammo carrier and you have another Wespe. Germans also proved unwilling to dismantle production lines with the Panzer 2, Panzer 3 and 38T production lines simply being retooled to produce different vehicle variants, probably more efficent than Britain where everytime they came up with a new tank at one of the four or so main design companies they shut down the previous production lines so you had small production runs, also from 1941 every time a company won a contract to build a tank the next best bidder would be appointed to design an improved version of the winning design which meant the losing company would have to acquire another set of the winning companies tooling. (Though I suppose the plus side was redundancy, if one factory was knocked out another could still build the same design)

  • @barthoving2053

    @barthoving2053

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@watcherzero5256 The British failed for a long time to come up with a tank design with which they were satisfied. Nor had they an assault gun stratagem (they used infantry tanks), or had self propelled artillery at a high priority. I think they even phased the Priest out at one time because the Priest used different ammo. So there was little use for stug and self propelled gun concept. But for the Archer the British did reuse a chassis and they did it even simpler. They put the 17 pounder on a Valentine chassis and switched gun around (firing backwards) so they did not even not to switch the engine and the fighting compartment around.

  • @watcherzero5256

    @watcherzero5256

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@barthoving2053 There was also the Achilles which was an M10 but upgunned by the British, it used a slightly modified M4 chassis. Your right though, for the most part the British never withdrew a tank from service making it available for refitting, just sent it somewhere less hot (for example the Matilda II saw out the war fighting the Japanese in the Pacific) and ultimately for training new recruits. Some were used as artillery tractors though with both M3, M4 and Crusader II converted to tractors when better tanks came along 1943-1945. There was also some Valentines and other tanks converted to AA and SPGs as field modifications rather than an official programme of conversion. Also there were close support assault guns produced but generally as variants of normal tank designs (e.g. using a 95mm howitzer instead of a 2pdr and the Churchill AVRE) rather than a whole new vehicle being designed.

  • @Bweeble

    @Bweeble

    3 жыл бұрын

    I disagree. Bigger gun than a normal tank, bigger munitions than an average tank, heavier than a panzer 2, less armoured. It's clearly designed to haul the main weight being the gun (as the gunless carriage can hold 3x the munitions). Simply "moving the gun to make room for more bullets, can throw the balance of the vehicle easily, putting excessive strain on the engine, gears, rollers etc, not to mention the possibility of needing a bigger engine and being prone to tipping or getting stuck if too far forward. (Also keeping in mind engine height given the clearance of the chassis)

  • @paullakowski2509

    @paullakowski2509

    2 жыл бұрын

    No offence guys but you're nitpicking over nothing. Just making the 105mm LeFH howitzer mechanised and armoured, made them much MUCH MORE survivable. That they didn't have to waste that effort on medium tanks was a god send. An alternative might be the 150mm infantry gun....yes 1/2 artillery range , but with more than three times the through weight. That was also on the Czech chassis - again another sound concept. As to limits of ammo supply- each howitzer battery had ammo section of a light battery and carried >500 shells [Buchner T GI HB pp90] . With Wehrmacht a mechanized battery carried 4 *3 ton ammo trucks allowing maybe 144 shells plus 6 with each limber tractor. L W.G Niehorster . These batteries also had a fifth tractor in the battery as replacement. Always thought that was to bring ammo forward , but i gather the limber arrangement was far from ideal and losing such a tractor was frequent enough to require a ready replacement.

  • @frankgulla2335
    @frankgulla23353 жыл бұрын

    Ah the days of PanzeBlitz, Wespes and Hummels ganging up on T34 at range. We need a video on teh Hummel, please.

  • @kirbyculp3449

    @kirbyculp3449

    2 жыл бұрын

    Good ol' Panzerblitz. I had hours of fun playing that. Panzer Leader and Arab-Israeli Wars also.

  • @randomcomment3164

    @randomcomment3164

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kirbyculp3449 I have many fond memories playing Avalon Hill, SPI and GDW board games. Modern video games just aren't the same as gathering around a table with a bunch of friends for a weekend afternoon.

  • @thebigone6071
    @thebigone60713 жыл бұрын

    You’re the greatest historian ever!!!

  • @josten8044
    @josten80443 жыл бұрын

    Is Japanese Infantry Tactics on the on the project list? I would love to learn more about the modern samurai envelopment

  • @alanrogers7090
    @alanrogers7090 Жыл бұрын

    When speaking about the traverse, don't forget that the chassis itself was mobile and, like a tank, could turn in place to "spin around", eventually fulfilling the 360 degree requirement. That said, it WAS an interim design, not a specially designed piece. It was making due with pieces that were around at the time.

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    Жыл бұрын

    It is artillery, so for indirect fire if you move the vehicle, you have to recalculate a lot of stuff. I am sure I mentioned this in one of the self-propelled artillery videos, maybe not in this one.

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, it is actually covered in this video, to quote my own script: "The lack of a 360 degree traverse was particularly a problem on the Eastern Front, since the mud and the cold required often position changes, but that was less easily done in such a condition. Now, you might argue Sturmgeschütze and Panzers changed the position all the time, so what is the big deal. Remember we are talking about artillery here. Artillery firing charts account for wind, temperature and a lot of other stuff. So this is way more precise or well imprecise if you get a number wrong and as such changing the position a little bit could have major influences."

  • @1966kojak
    @1966kojak3 жыл бұрын

    What are the barrels/tubes used for above and below the main gun? Sights? Great videos!!

  • @umbranoctis4348

    @umbranoctis4348

    3 жыл бұрын

    The tube above the barrel according to wikipedia is a pneumatic recuperator, which I think does what the recoil spring in a handgun does. Push the barrel back forward into position after the gun has been fired. The one under the barrel I assume is just a rail the barrel slides back and forth on when firing, but I'm no expert.

  • @1966kojak

    @1966kojak

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@umbranoctis4348 Thanks!

  • @umbranoctis4348

    @umbranoctis4348

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@1966kojak You're welcome :)

  • @edcliffe2988
    @edcliffe29882 жыл бұрын

    One of the two armoured vehicles with which I've been able to obtain an ace tanker award. The 105 has a pretty good rate of fire.

  • @ronaldfinkelstein6335
    @ronaldfinkelstein63353 жыл бұрын

    Why did Hitler prohibit calling the vehicle "Wespe(Wasp)"? Did he have a stinging insect phobia?

  • @Shadow-sq2yj

    @Shadow-sq2yj

    3 жыл бұрын

    There's was a maus and a ratte, so why no wespe? 😂

  • @VytasVytautas

    @VytasVytautas

    3 жыл бұрын

    I am not sure if it is true. But Hornisse was renamed to Nashorn.

  • @ronaldfinkelstein6335

    @ronaldfinkelstein6335

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@VytasVytautas I wonder what he thought of the Ta-154...a wooden aircraft which I think they called the Moskito(glue was bad; the aircraft fell apart during a test flight)

  • @tkkreed4415

    @tkkreed4415

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ronaldfinkelstein6335 Or the de Havilland Mosquito... a wooden aircraft that DIDN'T fall apart, even under some shockingly heavy AA fire :P

  • @earlyriser8998
    @earlyriser89983 жыл бұрын

    nice detail on a weapon i didn't know much about......the high survival rate is a testament to good design and operation

  • @dannyhonn973
    @dannyhonn9733 жыл бұрын

    Good for a stopgap design. Do a video comparing it to todays spg. Not sure new stuff is better, gets the job done any better. Your thoughts

  • @westmister
    @westmister3 жыл бұрын

    Powerful, compact size, pretty light.

  • @luskvideoproductions869
    @luskvideoproductions8693 жыл бұрын

    Its interesting...the Avalon Hill Game Panzerblitz gives Wespes pretty good stats in combat (at least in terms of using it against troop units). When I play Wehrmacht instead of Red Army, I ALWAYS protected my Wespe (and Hummel) units lol

  • @johnshepherd8687
    @johnshepherd86873 жыл бұрын

    What about the track tensioning system?

  • @ideallogic
    @ideallogic3 жыл бұрын

    Is there any info on the "Hetzer" artillery version or (Jagd)panzer 38(t) with a 150 mm s.I.G. 33/2 gun & are any still in existance ? I ask only because it seems this model seems the most mysterious of all SPG's ...

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    The Grille?

  • @jchrystsheigh
    @jchrystsheigh3 жыл бұрын

    A good proof-of-concept for the Hummel

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    not really, since both were developed in parallel unless I am mistaken.

  • @redhed9776
    @redhed9776 Жыл бұрын

    as one who was in artillery units, 8th and 37th, both sp and towed 155s, it is obvious that the line between artillery and anti tank gun is being tippy toed upon here. Each has it's own purpose. It's easy to outrun your artillery coverage. That should never be allowed unless you have air superiority. the range of a 155 is tremendous, and accurate. SP artillery doesn't require a truck to pull it, but does need an ammo hauler close by. No need for a turret, as the driver can turn the vehicle quicker. unecessary manufacturing costs. However, it DOES require AA & infantry coverage, or you're a hunk of scrap iron quickly, with either cannon.

  • @stuartaaron613
    @stuartaaron6133 жыл бұрын

    I knew that "Mr. H" banned the use of the name Hummel (bumble bee), but I didn't know that he also banned the use of the name Wespe (wasp).

  • @llamallama1509

    @llamallama1509

    3 жыл бұрын

    Does anyone know why he banned those names?

  • @nonautemrexchristus5637

    @nonautemrexchristus5637

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@llamallama1509 fuckin buzz kill innit

  • @Nightcrawlerfive

    @Nightcrawlerfive

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@llamallama1509 I think I recall he didn't think naming his weapons after insects sounded tough enough. Though in reality I think the average person thinks of a wasp as something dangerous enough to be avoided. Less so a bumblebee I guess.

  • @ehold6877

    @ehold6877

    3 жыл бұрын

    But naming his 100ton monstrosity maus was ok.....

  • @looinrims
    @looinrims3 жыл бұрын

    Is there anyway to make a video on how German TOEs were made with captured equipment? Like is there idk an infantry division whose regiments had exclusively French gear?

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    not sure there is much to say there.

  • @looinrims

    @looinrims

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MilitaryHistoryVisualized huh, yeah now that I think about it I’m not sure what I expected I just thought it’d be a cool subject, sorry

  • @thezeitos469

    @thezeitos469

    3 жыл бұрын

    You could read up on Alfred Becker and the 21st Panzer division. Alfred Becker is the guy, who created most of those whacky conversions of former French vehicles to artillery, tank destroyers and transports. The 21st p. Division was known to be reequpied with many of those conversion vehicles, while in northern France. Before they fought in Africa and afterwards in Normandy. (Though even they were not equipped soley with French vehicles. I dont think there is a division, that did that.) I love those vehicles. They are fascinating.

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@looinrims to clarify I have seen some TOEs, I only gave them a glance but in some cases one vehicle replaced another not much else.

  • @talltroll7092

    @talltroll7092

    2 жыл бұрын

    In German service, captured equipment tended to be used by the unit that captured it, if it fit their TO&E, or passed on to a higher HQ if not, with the anomaly of Soviet 120mm mortars. The Germans loved it so much, they set up factories in Germany to produce their own copies and ammunition, and added it to most late war division equipment tables. German produced one had pneumatic tyres, whereas the soviet produced one had solid rubber tyres

  • @Ober-Professor
    @Ober-Professor3 жыл бұрын

    We need a :Militaryhistory more or less visualized ,channel!

  • @Malekh
    @Malekh3 жыл бұрын

    So if this was an interrim vehicle, what was the replacement? Or was it never built?

  • @kirgan1000

    @kirgan1000

    2 жыл бұрын

    They did build the Hummel, but that was a "enlarge" Wespe on a Panzer IV hull. They did also build a strange prototyps, that did have a turret, which could be taken off.....

  • @JagerLange
    @JagerLange3 жыл бұрын

    There was some dust on the original brief and they thought it said "36.0grad"

  • @pinchespiderman
    @pinchespiderman3 жыл бұрын

    Might I suggest in the future that your "Good In Theory" icon be a Fairy, in recognition of the infamous "Good Idea Fairy"?

  • @stuartp2006
    @stuartp20063 жыл бұрын

    Why did Hitler ban the name?

  • @Kyle-gw6qp
    @Kyle-gw6qp3 жыл бұрын

    The Panzer II is such a cute little tank.

  • @bulgingbattery2050
    @bulgingbattery2050 Жыл бұрын

    So it was a mobile artillery and was not meant to engage other armor or to work as an infantry support vehicle?

  • @tyvamakes5226
    @tyvamakes52263 жыл бұрын

    An artillery that seemed to be the 'Axis' meta of a game of Call of War (version 1.0) And then you see this.

  • @bushpilotfritz7784
    @bushpilotfritz77843 жыл бұрын

    Didn't the heuschrecke 10 have a removable turret? That was a weird self propelled gun.

  • @travisyelland42
    @travisyelland423 жыл бұрын

    Hey @ 4:19 into the video i see the good old experimental tiger tank is getting some screen time. . . . . . Or atliest the one from hogan's heros! Lol

  • @borisglevrk
    @borisglevrk3 жыл бұрын

    5:38 "I can't find modern SPGs able to do this" Well we modern people do it the other way around. Now we have towed artillery with limited ("last mile") self-propel ability.

  • @yosefvonhansom2921

    @yosefvonhansom2921

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like the 203mm B-4 actually

  • @allangibson2408

    @allangibson2408

    2 жыл бұрын

    Most modern tanks have bigger guns than the WW2 SP guns.

  • @DopeFiend
    @DopeFiend2 жыл бұрын

    I remember hearing somewhere of wespes destroying tanks in direct line of fire, is this true?

  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized

    2 жыл бұрын

    can be done in emergency

  • @caro7048
    @caro70483 жыл бұрын

    Cries in Bishop

  • @Mr.Noob1
    @Mr.Noob13 жыл бұрын

    Grüße aus Munster

  • @wrayday7149
    @wrayday71493 жыл бұрын

    Crew was mostly protected from counter battery fire unless hit..... well, yeah.

  • @mahouaniki4043
    @mahouaniki40433 жыл бұрын

    Sir you are my Top 3 favorite Austrians now.