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@literallyjesuschrist1

Жыл бұрын

How late was this recorded crab?

@bingbong6800

Жыл бұрын

dungeness crab

@CritCrab

Жыл бұрын

@@literallyjesuschrist1 one day before this video released.

@danielkapekele1462

Жыл бұрын

There's a scammer sending telegram links in your comment section to dm you

@slagarcrue85

Жыл бұрын

This dm In this horror story needs to RIUHGAP resign immediately until he grows a pair.

I remember playing a game with a lawful evil character and it was so much fun, because the player was respectful to group fun, not just theirs. I wish more people got *that* experience instead! Heck, my lawful good paladin (of Serenrae mind you) was best friends with them and fought her way into hell to save them.

@ShinxyMuro

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like an amazing journey!

@mythfire1461

Жыл бұрын

Sarenrae paladins really are the heroes Golarion needs. Cool story bro!

@GreenTheFae

Жыл бұрын

I dislike the alignment chart. Being evil could mean you're simply a jerk or have just more self centered ideals rather than being actively evil. A lawful evil thief for example. Evil because they are a thief. Lawful because they wouldn't kill however as they have standards. Makes you a bad guy but not a BAD guy. I wish the alignment was more fleshed out

@stephenlegere6264

Жыл бұрын

​@@GreenTheFae I'm with you there. Alignment is such a fascinating topic because it's not just the inner personality, but the context a person finds themselves in.

@oldmanofthemountains3388

Жыл бұрын

One of my favorite characters was Lawful Evil! So much fun!

A lot of players don't seem to understand that an evil alignment can very often simply mean "selfish" in a more general sense. Not hostile towards the party, your character could even love them and his/her "selfishness" could be about protecting them and/or screwing other people over to help the party. What it certainly should never do is derail the campaign or be an excuse for the player being selfish.

@lordhellstrande2763

Жыл бұрын

As a lawful evil player, that evil usually comes out as cunning and willing to use less than reputable means to get what I want...but I temper that with lines I never cross such as intentionally hurting innocents

@sennievee6833

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

@BigBeerus

Жыл бұрын

Last evil PC i had was chaotic evil in a rifts campaign and was with the party purely because of that. Its hilarious to him that he's who he is and he's running around with *good* guys of all things, who have no idea that every big bad they drop just makes him more scary to the rest of the crime syndicates. Ended up taking over several small town crime rings omw to the big boy mafia takeover cause "I literally killed several demi gods with those guys over there, you've heard the tales of us, do you even understand how much danger you're in right now?" 😂

@Nr4747

Жыл бұрын

@@BigBeerus Awesome, that's one of the main reasons for an evil character to tag along with good guys - to rid himself of evil competition.

@Ijustusethistocommentstuff

Жыл бұрын

@@lordhellstrande2763 My character, also lawful evil, actually is AGAINST killing people. He is basically just a con-man that suddenly became an adventurer.

As a fae enthusiast, I appreciate chaotic characters across the board. With how often people misinterpret chaotic alignments I often say, “Please chaos responsibly”.

@sennievee6833

Жыл бұрын

I love this mantra haha

@stephaniejenkins7822

Жыл бұрын

As someone who wants a chaotic character but not sure how to stick the landing just right, do you have any tips on how to pull it off without being obnoxious?

@thomkirkwood2356

Жыл бұрын

A few suggestions, I've played with some excellent chaotic characters. The important thing is that 'chaotic' is not 'random', and this means that chaotic characters can easily be very different from one another. For example, one campaign had a half-orc Ranger who was Chaotic Neutral, a Chaotic Good Halfling Druid, a Chaotic Evil goblin, and a Chaotic Neutral gnome barbarian. The Half-orc's backstory was that she was raised amongst racist humans who shunned and expelled her when she hit her teens and her orcish heritage becomes more obvious, do she learned to live self-sufficiently in the wild believing that you can't rely on others, only yourself. This obviously lends itself to being played as a Rugged Individualist who is bad at co-operating with her team because she doesn't trust them. The Halfling's backstory was that she was a middle-aged woman who thought everyone could communicate with nature in the way that she could - a classic eccentric - who went wandering after her village was destroyed and slaughtered by Lawful armies. She played much more like a slightly dotty kindly grandparent. The gnome was essentially written to be autistic, so had a very firm set of what she thought was logical and made sense to do, and if it conflicted with social norms and laws she would follow her own judgement rather than those conventions. The goblin was a sneaky little fucker, constantly stealing small items etc., but we had a great emergent storyline of the half-orc learning to trust him as he tried to learn this 'being nice' thing because his friends got cross with him whenever he did something evil. He was probably the closest to the 'chaotic evil means I do what I want' stereotype; but even with that you can do interesting things. All 4 characters could be very unpredictable - running off to examine an interesting-looking butterfly; insisting that the merchant caravan they were acting as bodyguards for give 10% of their fruit to the frogmen who ambushed them as a road maintenance fee, instead of killing the frogmen as the scenario was geared towards; abandoning their position without telling anyone because they thought they could be more effective in a different part of the battlefield; and setting up elaborate traps to protect what they saw as 'their own' - but none of the characters were being unpredictable 'for the lols' or 'for the evils'. tl;dr - 'chaotic' means 'individualistic', not 'stupid', and that can be represented in a variety of ways that make an interesting game for everyone.

@stephaniejenkins7822

Жыл бұрын

@@thomkirkwood2356 Thank you so much for the insight, I really appreciate it!

@MipedianSky

Жыл бұрын

@@stephaniejenkins7822 @thomkirkwood2356 has the right idea. Bit of a late reply because I had been on for a bit but here is my approach to it. What I have started to do is finding a method of controlled chaos. For my fairy, the chaotic neutral alignment manifested in a sense of misunderstanding. Her culture and actions would appear chaotic to the locals but they are guided by structure, customs, and ceremonies of her culture. In that same sense, everyone else seemed chaotic to her! And while she did attempt to learn local customs, she would often misinterpret them, adding another layer of chaotic charm! As for the others, I view chaotic good as chaos without intent. Or accidental chaos. Perhaps an artificer who is caught up with their experiments that they are often disorganized and have to check multiple pockets before finding what they intended to pull out. For the biggest problem child-chaotic evil-It is chaos without concern. Or the chaos of results. You have a goal but you dont care what happens as long as you get the results you seek! What makes it such a problem is that players often use it as an excuse to do what they want and expect no consequences. That is true for CN as well but it is most noticeable with CE! All the defining elements that make a character chaotic are-for the most part-cross compatible and very much open to individual interpretation! The biggest suggestion I can give in a more broad sense is that chaos works best when it is used in smaller and more personal instances. It makes for a less disruptive experience! However if there is downtime and or the dm shifts spotlight to you, go big but dont over do it and save the big chaotic moments for something special! Tldr; Chaos can vary from misunderstandings to substantial personality quirks. Maintain a direction. Stick to personal moments most of the time.

This is a great example of fault vs responsibility. While it is not the DMs fault edge lord is how he is, it IS DMs responsibility to rectify the situation.

@Briselance

Жыл бұрын

Indeed.

@Sarah-oj7bh

6 ай бұрын

I mean they CAN choose to let edge lord do what he wants, but the natural consequence here is that the constructive, experienced player leaves. Most would rather keep the more pleasant player, I guess.

In our current campaign, we have a LE Thri-Keen Assassin who works well with the group because he has standards. He still does some evil things here and there, mainly executing defeated enemies after we interrogate them, and he tried to intimidate some villagers we saved into giving a bigger reward. He's pretty fun.

@karno6679

Жыл бұрын

Lawful evil has to be one of my favourite alignments lol and this is as a dm

@Peppershaker

Жыл бұрын

professionals have standards. be polite. be efficient. have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

@discipleofdagon8195

Жыл бұрын

Lawful evil is the epitome of the sniper from tf2's line "professionals have standards"

@iitim2152

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, assassins are easy. They are either on a personal quest for revenge or fulfilling a contract, they'll work with a group to fulfill these mutual goals.. Of course, after the goal is fulfilled whoa to whoever they butted heads with. Skid Mar played an awesome assassin type in Glass Cannon Podcast. When it was time for his char to break from the group cause the motive was complete he murdered the player that disrespected him once in his sleep.

@rynemcgriffin1752

Жыл бұрын

I have a character I’d hope to run someday who’s Chaotic Evil but less in a “I’m gonna murder because it’s what my character would do” type way and more of a “Invader Zim” type way which is more long-winded speeches on how he’s gonna choke you with your intestines and other fun threats of violence. His name is Ic and he’s a Goblin Barbarian.

Evil characters are possible to pull off even in a heroic campaign, but it requires alot of player discipline and experience to do so while maintaining team based playing. Definitely never recommended for novice players

@aaronhumphrey2009

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Chaotic evil PCs usually wind up going murder hobo, getting bounties placed on thier heads, and/ or go on a tantrum with Player VS Player.

@Mothman1992

Жыл бұрын

I actually started my current campaign playing a lawful evil artificer who wanted to turn the campaigns maguffin into the battery for a magimechanical super weapon for the pirate king. He was high int, low wis so when he saw a deck of many things his curiosity beat his caution and as a result he lost his memory now he's still got his intelligence but his personality and ethics are being guided by a CN rogue and a CG druid

@SOBEKCrocodileGod

Жыл бұрын

Me when I’ve always picked either evil, neutral, or chaotic good lol Even then, I typically save betrayal only for much later in a campaign, when I believe I will die soon, or towards another player who did some traitor type shit themselves

@lordhellstrande2763

Жыл бұрын

I play lawful evil a lot and literally the way I play it is "I'm not a good person, but I have standards." I draw lines in what my characters usually won't do such as intentionally cause harm to innocent people, but I'll happily convince people to give me more than I deserve

@BadassHater1

Жыл бұрын

Basically you can do the same thing as with Alarak from Starcraft 2. He is evil but he learned that Amon (the BBEG of the game) has played his people (Tal'darim) like fools. And now he wants to become the new leader of Tal'darim and kill Amon with his own hands. And if he has to strike a few bargains with Artanis and his Templars for it to happen - so be it. He does shittalk alot though. But atleast he IS capable of cooperation when needed.

The DM lost credibility when he said, "he's not here to stop people from playing the PC's they want to play." Like...if a character doesn't fit the group, will cause undue unfun drama, or is inappropriate for the campaign, you absolutely are there to tell them so.

@sennievee6833

Жыл бұрын

Totally. Like sure, a good DM allows PCs to play their character how they want, but not at the expense of everyone else’s fun!

@fred_derf

9 ай бұрын

Most of the games I've played in the DM has allowed limited alignments, for example you can play any Good or Lawful-Neutral alignment (and True-Neutral for Druids). Only opening up other alignments after the particular player has demonstrated good role playing skills and has fully explained how they are going to fit in with the rest of the party.

@Jakepearl13

4 ай бұрын

To DM,you need a spine

@shishsjxnsnzns

3 ай бұрын

To be honest, it doesn't sound to me like Edgelord was that bad of a player, just that the DM was running a game that was open to murderhobo'ing and didn't communicate it well enough. The other players and DM did not oppose the edgelord in game, only OP did, which makes me feel like OP was not a fit for the group. The DMs response was pretty reasonable

This is why session 0's are always important. I always try to learn my players backstory to try and weave it into my campaigns, but it also gives me insight on what they really want to do with a character which allows me to work with them.

@RottenRogerDM

Жыл бұрын

Yes zeroes are important but for new Young DMs it takes some time dealing with Edgelords and other bad players to grow a backbone. Stuff I accepted back in my first two decades of game, would only last 3.5 seconds now days.

@abbeybelanger8118

Жыл бұрын

@@RottenRogerDM That's true, and sometimes edgeloreds really just want to make an evil/edgy character just because they can. I've never really had issues and I'm somewhat new to DMing so I hope I don't get an edgelord

"'I'm Chaotic Evil' he says with a smile." I can't tell if Edge was talking about his character or himself...but either way it'd probably be accurate.

@Darth_Bateman

Жыл бұрын

Nah, that's a misconception. His character is actually a vessel for a cosmic entity called "The Edge". However, when people who don't match well with The Edge appear, another cosmic entity fights The Edge for dominance, it's name? "The Cringe".

@ULTIMATZEKROM

Жыл бұрын

@@Darth_Bateman Ah, yes, the Cringe, I am aware of such a creature.

@Darth_Bateman

Жыл бұрын

@@ULTIMATZEKROM *shivers* . . . I still wake up at night. . . .For a time. . .The cringe also possessed me as its vessel. . . .*thousand yard stare*

@ULTIMATZEKROM

Жыл бұрын

@@Darth_Bateman It happened to me too...but we are free from its influence. We may never be able to fully fix our sins under its control, but we can use the lessons learned to never make the same mistakes again.

@Darth_Bateman

Жыл бұрын

@@ULTIMATZEKROM . . . .Bro, I feel like Betty's dad from Riverdale the way we're talking right now. XD

I’ve played the sole Chaotic Evil in the party, but it was Ravnica and I was a Rakdos. Being a sick, twisted artist was both the point and supported by the setting. I derailed on occasion, but so did everyone. DM liked to see how things played out. That campaign made it to level 20 and no one left the party.

@FlickTakFlakAttack

Жыл бұрын

I think the more surprising thing was your campaign making it to level 20 without anyone leaving

I'm playing a Neutral Evil human sorcerer (aberrant mind) in my group's campaign. Basically, I give my character a split personality ala Jekyll and Hyde or Twoface with the the evil portion of the personality being my source of magic and only really coming out in battle. The normal half of my character is aware of this evil inside of him and is a loner, wishing not to grow attached to anyone in fear of himself losing control in a fight. This story made me glad i'm not this stupid.

I played a chaotic evil character with a good party, they didn't know my alignment, my character was there to spy on them for an evil cult that they'd caused problems for in the past, it was fun.

9:04 "they don't seem hostile. We can negotiate." "I shoot the centaur with my longbow" I choked on my orange juice from that one. 🤣

@edwinvanooijen7749

Жыл бұрын

What I don't understand, is how the centaur died. A centaur has 45 hp, a longbow does 1 d8 damage, a bard is not proficient with a longbow so a bard that crits with a longbow can only do 18 damage and not 20.

@voidboi4141

11 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@edwinvanooijen7749maybe they’re a wood elf

@chronenojysk5107

11 ай бұрын

“So anyways, I started blasting”

@simonwilliamnoelmurray9179

10 ай бұрын

Probably just using the race of a centaur but the statblock of a usual person like a scout or something - since they can be any race, and Centaurs are playable. Rather than using the old centaur statblock from before they were playable @@edwinvanooijen7749

@fred_derf

9 ай бұрын

"I shoot the centaur with my longbow" That's not evil or chaotic, that's just stupid.

My youngest brother played a chaotic evil character (not actually his alignment but it might as well have been) and props to the 12 year old for making a genuinely good chaotic evil character. The way everyone met up is we have to share a room in the full inn because a ton of people are there looking for a crazy power for a variety of reasons (allowing for selfish motivations to exist) his character caused problems for people but never to the detriment to the story more just to himself honestly. He was very personally motivated and his backstory made a lot of sense for why he is the way he is. There are several moments where he does objectively bad things but there are also moments of clarity where he's horrified by the consequences. Hes given a knife by a character that is super cursed, it insta kills on a certain roll of higher and if it doesn't kill it leaves a person in a horrible state and this was given to someone super likely to use it but the first time he does its a harrowing moment and suddenly this character flips his shit over it and it launches him down a path of learning to be better and the character never fundamentally changes! He's still chaotic and a loose cannon but eventually he's doing it for the benefit of others rather than just himself

@rebeccahicks2392

Жыл бұрын

Kudos to your brother, playing like that takes a lot of skill and maturity for anyone, but especially a 12 year old!

It's a shame when a person's experience is like this. I hope OP in a better game and are doing well.

What people dont get about being evil is that one doesnt have to be evil ALL THE TIME. A few stances of abject immorality are enough to make a character evil, specially if they are unapologetic about it. For example, my only Chaotic Evil character is essentially a richboy Psychic, who is genuenly funny and loyal to his friends... but who also quite enjoys invading peoples minds and twisting them until they break. He doesnt do it all the time, or randombly to everyone, but enough for him to defenetly be Evil.

That tale about the chaotic evil edgelord is pretty much how it went every single time I played with someone who was either CN or CE, sometimes they even wrote CG on their sheets and tried to gaslight people about burning down literal orphanages being no problem at all. Just say you want to play GTA and you don't give a damn about anyone else. Why is this so difficult? Coulda saved everyone a lot of time.

@coda821

Жыл бұрын

Causing problems for other players, is why these ppl play. They hate ppl & want to ruin what they enjoy.

@Asher_Tye

Жыл бұрын

Trying to feel out a Chaotic Neutral character myself without making him disruptive or unlikeable. I figure setting limits to how far he'll go for his own self-interest vs what he views as being a doormat may help. Of course even the most altruistic actions can be made to look selfish if your frame them right. (I didn't rush into melee range and give you a healing potion to save your life, I gave you one so you could stay my meat shield. Plus now you owe me.)

@garuelx8627

Жыл бұрын

Always be suspicious of PCs with CN alignment. I've even seen N PCs do shitty things.

@booleah6357

Жыл бұрын

I played a chaotic evil clown from an alien dimension. I would trick my party members into joining into my evil shenanigans but it wasn't all kicking puppies 24/7 and I tried to keep it light so people would still have fun. Usually they thought my antics were pretty funny because of how absurd they were. Evil alignments can be fun but you have to really know what your doing.

@hasseo195

Жыл бұрын

@@lilwitchwolf1603 I think, one problem is the word: chaotic itself. No matter what chaotic you are. TGhe word chaotic let people probally think of a completly maniac. Probally more randomness as The Joker or Harley. Or any other villian, who only show aggression, when they are top be seen.

This is an example of a story where the OP has the wisdom to nope the eff out, as he see the problem coming a mile away.

Evil characters can also work if you plan on developing them during the campaign and eventually switching alignment.

@gramfero

Жыл бұрын

Same with good characters

@tmage23

Жыл бұрын

You don't even have to switch alignments. Just fit into the party and their objectives. Evil doesn't mean you have to burn down orphanages or murder random NPCs for laughs.

@bouncycomix

Жыл бұрын

I did this once. My guy was definitely evil starting out, but he also had a nice streak hidden under all the hatred that the rest of the party dragged out.

@Darth_Bateman

Жыл бұрын

Or OR, and hear me out. . . We can be evil, do that developing doohickey and leave that last part the FUCK out, cuz we're not pussies, and if we're women then we aren't small penises. #Evil4Lyfe

@cmay7429

Жыл бұрын

I actually enjoy starting characters as neutral something and untested, then letting the campaign determine where they end up.

Brian gang, rise up and don't disagree for disagreeing sake!

@Profwolfman

Жыл бұрын

Can I be "Brian"

@platinumfactor

Жыл бұрын

@@Profwolfman Can I be the crappy straight to DVD "Brian II"

@mazikeenflowers

Жыл бұрын

I disagree

@silversonome5360

Жыл бұрын

I'd rise, but this chair is kinda comfortable... Can we do it another day?

@Fatherofheroesandheroines

9 ай бұрын

Why do you keep referring to yourself in the third person?

imo, the skinning the centaur does sound like something a chaotic evil character would do in my mind

I often find it's the "lawful, chaotic, neutral" part that plays the most prominent role when it comes to evil and good characters. A lawful evil and a lawful good character can efficiently work together because they're both lawful. They have the same end goals but use different tactics to get what they want. Often it works well because one will do what the other can't or won't do, leading to a sort of "good cop, bad cop" situation. But chaotic evil does not have the same goals and is often misplayed by players who don't understand the concept or want to use it as an excuse to do whatever they want because 'it's what my character would do!'

@chariotboi5061

Жыл бұрын

Personally for me I just have Chaotic Evil act as a personality type where someone is impulsive and selfish with something holding them back from going solo. For my character he's basically a burglar for hire that doesn't do any killing cause murder just causes more trouble than its worth. He also has to learn to work well with others to cure his family's curse.

@kylethomas9130

Жыл бұрын

You bring up a good point, you would expect a Chaotic Evil and a Chaotic Good character to have some common ground in their beliefs or ideals. In may of these stories we just hear about how the CE or CN character they lack common sense, self preservation, let alone a smidgen of culture.

@hipopotamodata9932

Жыл бұрын

I think that CE can't be played by players because I m pretty sure CE just can't work in a time I m pretty sure that character that are selfish and just do what they want for there end go happens can be play correctly but that is CN CE do bad things because he likes to do bad things Is not like "I don't want to do that but if is the thing we need to win I will" is more like "I want to do that because I enjoy" That is what I think it is Idk much because I just can't play evil characters

@SnickeringBadger

Жыл бұрын

@@hipopotamodata9932 CE definitely can be played by players. Evil isn't so much about enjoyment or not; you could have a Lawful good character who enjoys murdering evil monsters in line with the creed they live by, for example. Evil is more a total lack of morality or conscience. An average person wouldn't murder another due to a belief in either the law or a compassion for a fellow human. A CE character does not believe in the law and has little or no compassion for those they believe to be their equals. A key part, however, is that this doesn't mean a CE character will kill simply because it's 'easier' at the time. A chaotic stupid one would, yes, but the best CE characters have at least some social sense. They might realise that the law could catch up with them and hinder them later on or they might realise their companions would think differently of them. They understand consequences, even if they dislike that they exist. A CE can also still have friendships. They can still get angry when someone they liked is murdered. The framing of these things is just different is all.

You usually hear a lot of bad stuff about evil aligned characters. Most of the horror stories probably have that guy. Although I really enjoy well made evil character like found in different forms of media like games (Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous is a great example - Regill Derange, a hellknight, lawful evil, has some very aggressive beliefs but he is wholeheartedly fighting against demons and stuff, in other words objectively "for a better world", "for a good world". Or Dearan, a neutral evil aasimar, which selfproclaimed purpose in life is to commit as many different sins - mostly leading to bed stuff - to avoid beeing judged as a demon or devil after his death)

@SimonAshworthWood

Жыл бұрын

Huh? I haven’t read rule books beyond 2nd edition AD&D, so I maybe you know stuff that I don’t… but wouldn’t an aasimar committing sins make them MORE likely to be judged as a demon or devil?

@atenek9243

Жыл бұрын

@@SimonAshworthWood His goal is to commit enough sins to confuse the system which decides what you become after death.

@seb24789

Жыл бұрын

Reg from the first game is chaotic evil and a pretty nice guy if you don't cross him.

@atenek9243

Жыл бұрын

@@seb24789 His jokes are the reason for his alignment :)

@nobody4741

Жыл бұрын

Regill is very interesting, but at the same time he is way more lawful than evil. His "evil" side is less the will to harm people or do evil deeds and more the lack of empathy. "your plan requires some sacrifices to ensure most of our troops get safe? seems reasonable"

In my first three games, we had murder-hobos that totally ruined the games. After that, our group kicked them out and things got so much better. Now, as the "forever GM" of our group (with my creative streak and free time I don't mind), I have a few rules. In regards to murder-hobos, I have one simple rule: if you want to murder-hobo, there will be vengance by law, by blood, or by karma. You kill for no reason and make life hell for the others, and I will do the same for you until your character dies or you quit. The logic? Galactic karma. "The gods" might even "smile on the group" for killing the murder-hobo and returning any stolen loot to balance karma. Needless to say, players either drop the murder-hobo shtick or the group pretty quick.

@rossjohnstone4689

Жыл бұрын

That's acually a really great idea :3 All bad actions have consequences.

@Darth_Bateman

Жыл бұрын

Honestly? "Fuck you" would have been a reasonable and logical follow up to "The Logic?"

@cmay7429

Жыл бұрын

Yup. This.

@Derax-ru3yy

Жыл бұрын

So petty...

@samuelzuleger5134

Жыл бұрын

@@Darth_Bateman Most murderhobos at my table are new players (both to me and TTRPGs) and just trying to be "edgy," and just don't get it. My logic is kind of a way to explain it without telling them "fuck off." They usually get it and their next characters are often much less likely to go all murderhobo. The ones that do, however, get the "Fuck you" stick...from the party more often than me.

Yikes, all my evil aligned characters would've been angry at that. As most of them would say, I may be evil, but I have standards.

@TheGoodLuc

5 ай бұрын

Yes. You manipulate, use and abuse, but truly evil shouldn't backstab people just for the hell of it. Only when it's useful and you thought of consequensies.

Fun fact, I played a chaotic evil character once, as an alternate personality/possession of my lawful good character. She gave the party permission to kick her ass if she went kill crazy at any point, and it was a fun time

I once played a lawful evil treachery Paladin in a campaign. The character had every intention of using the party for a long as possible. The dynamic would have been really cool, the character was supposed to be willing to do whatever it took to accomplish his goals. Unfortunately I was pretty young at the time, and in a bad place mentally, so the game didn’t work out. I left on good terms with everyone, and there’s still a plan to possibly have an evil campaign, but it’s not super likely to happen in the near future.

My friend has been doing a intro to DND thing for kids at his gamestore. One of the kids wants to murder everything. He even crossed out barbarian on his premade sheet and wrote murderer.

Been struggling with a player who has been very disruptive for a long time and recently decided that next session is their last chance. These videos have helped me decide them arguing with me almost every session isn't worth my hard work. Might end up being a horror story in itself

@drumlessons833

Жыл бұрын

As the DM, you have the power to make things right.

5:11 I'm actually playing as Chaotic Evil in a Neutral/Good group. It is possible, if you respect fellow players and the DM. I do dabble in shenanigans from time to time, the goals of my character are completely outta whack and his methods are questionable, but I always make sure that he doesn't escalate too much and we have a deal with the DM that I have very strict boundaries and if I cross them, my dude turns into an NPC and I make a different character. Which I think could be turned someday into a very cool experience for the whole party, that the guy they've been travelling the whole time becomes the BBEG at some point and all the weird stuff he did along the way lead up to that point in some way. So while I can agree - balancing that isn't at all easy - I do think it's a thing that can work narratively and even lead to satisfying moments that would never be possible, had that one person just made a good guy like the rest. Again - key parts are respect towards other players and being open to change some stuff if needed. I also like to add a bit of humor to the character, you know, for flavour. And on top of burning corpses, escalating into violence and all that - my character loves cooking and we made it a thing in the party that he's absolutely terrible as a chef. And I KNOW FOR A FACT the rest of the party enjoys what I add to the campaign, because we're regularly joking around between sessions about our characters and my one is very often the topic for jokes, silly ideas, suggestions and all that. Make the actual people around you have fun and it doesn't matter what allignment you fall into.

My Sister has a group that runs various RPGs, and while I don't play with them anymore cause of some annoying experiences. They also heavily restrict Evil alignments, especially Chaotic Evil, since most of the time it's just "LOL I'm Evil so I kill this Child that is in front of us, causing the entire town to turn on us and get us killed in the first session"

@aluchris2725

Жыл бұрын

I would atack/confront the evil charakter. It makes no sense to defend him, as long as the rest of the Party isnt evil too. Why would he be in the Party anyway?

@drumlessons833

Жыл бұрын

@@aluchris2725 This. Our Troll-players/Murder Hobo decided to murder the only one who could get us through the dangerous area we were in, so I used my life cleric and revived him. This kind of dysfunction in a party is toxic anyway. One player fighting to undermine the party while another tries to clean up after them is exhausting.

I play a lawful evil character in a one piece dnd campaign. He is the captain and loves his crew to the fullest; however, anyone not on the same side as him have been known to be tortured or beheaded. Outside of battle, he just makes sure he is the best dressed pirate on the seas.

Chaotic evil can be fun when it’s your character actively falling. My character, late campaign, went from chaotic neutral to chaotic evil when she started torturing captives in an insane attempt to keep the party safe, terrified that she’d otherwise fail to get the info that would save them. The party ended up tossing her into therapy with the Raven Queen herself, it was a heck of a story beat

My king, my crab, I am glad you are experimenting with new video formats, and I hope you find it fulfilling...but videos this will always be the reason I come back to your channel

I never played D&D but always wanted to. However, I spent a few days listening to channels like this and my god... maybe it's good that I don't have any DD experience. It feels like DD players are a bunch of twitter/reddit posters with constant toxicity and sassy/obnoxious drama flying around. I'm so glad that the full game of Baldurs Gate 3 is coming soon. I've been playing dd-inspired games all my life (baldurs gate/arcanum/neverwinter nights/etc.) and i guess i didn't miss that much.

@Faminetheblack

Жыл бұрын

It's not so bad, find a game with trusted friends and not randoms. That's when it can become an issue. Baldurs gate is a solid substitute for the real thing. But also checkout pathfinder wrath of the righteous.

@rakeguy7703

Жыл бұрын

@@Faminetheblack Thanks! Been thinking about trying pathfinder for a long time. I never seen a DD player in my life haha.

@daviddaugherty2816

Жыл бұрын

​@rakeguy7703 These horror stories are the exception, not the rule. This channel focuses on these horror stories because they're entertaining, but most players and games are actually good. It's a great way to make friends.

I do think that if you allow characters to change alignments, evil characters can be amazing. Imagine a lawful evil assassin with a strict moral code who plans to betray the party when they reach the BBEG, but after realizing how horrible the person hiring them is, how kind the party is to them, and how good it feels to save lives instead of taking them, they betray the BBEG and join the party for real, ready to help save the world.

I'm impressed that you got LEGO Batman to voice Edge!

I once tried my hand at playing a Chaotic Evil-type character… I think it was in Rifts or Palladium. The fun of it was pretty quickly ruined by the other characters metagaming their behaviours (after someone looked at my character sheet) to treat my character like a walking bomb that could go axe-happy whenever and for whatever reason - or no reason at all. For me it was all about discerning a method to the madness, giving the character reasonable (to a warped mindset, at least) motivations for their actions. But the story took an upswing after my character, who was some kind of hunter/ranger got a pet dog from the other characters as a present. Sure, it kept derailing scenes by being more psychotic and unpredictable than my character, often biting the hand that fed him - no matter if it was mine or any other’s. Sure, my character had some dark moments ending in alleyways full of corpses of defenseless people, too, but that almost felt foisted on me. My character was smart enough to not commit atrocities in full view, and more had a mean streak combined with a really bad temper, but also a connoisseur’s palate for revenge served ice cold. And patience enough to know when the Reaper could be coaxed to come collect his due. Unfortunately, I don’t think we got to finish that campaign.

Wow this is an amazing story I feel pretty bad about the op but I wonder how’s the campaign going now

@Oliver_the_cafe_owner

Жыл бұрын

@Ya Mum yep

I still have a Lawful Evil Vampire Sorceress idea on the backburner, she'd follows her race's laws to the dot and wouldn't really backstab her party, just suggest less than "moral" options to deal with a problem

The best way I've found to play an Evil aligned character is to remember that even the worst people can have friends and loved ones and be the villain to the villain of the campaign. Be as bad as you want to be... toward your enemies and for the good of yourself and your group.

Trevor Phillips from GTA V is a perfect example of a chaotic evil character that can perfectly function in a group.

A good example of a chaotic evil character in a majority neutral or good party is one whose goals don't fight the players. I ran this npc for my players who they adored. He was kind, polite, rich, and found the players amusing. Then it was revealed he is kinda a bad person, but the group was never effected by his actions directly so they kinda left it at "Ok maybe we don't talk to him?" If I wanted to play a chaotic evil character I would play a bandit who wants to hunt down some other bandits for a treasure they have. Pretty evil because he is just murdering and stealing from people but they are already criminals so the party can't really object to it.

@MarkFin9423

Жыл бұрын

I think one of the only ways to plausibly play a chaotic evil character without that kind of derailment is also if it's a joke character that actually sucks at being evil to the point that the evil character does more good than harm.

Really loving the output lately.

I'm currently playing a neutral evil character, he cares about a member of the party, a Lawful Good character, we're basically best friends, however it is a little tense at times but me and LG have a lot of out of game banter and plan our interactions to a degree so we don't wind up trying to kill each other.

@TheGoodLuc

5 ай бұрын

Yandere?

@confloashton3617

5 ай бұрын

@@TheGoodLuc No, my character and LG come from a cold northern territory on the map, we both lost most of our clans through one way or another, my character is on the hunt for more power and large groups of people he could massacre with little complaint, basically self aware of the RPG grindset. LG is focused on redeeming himself after messing up his honor and his tribe vanishing into thin air, also the fact that my white dragon orc sorcerer has a naturally cool body temperature makes LG want to stay nearby because the party is in a floridian swamp. Another way it works is the Jack Horner effect, the BBEG is so purely evil and cruel my character is only slightly unstable by comparison.

@TheGoodLuc

5 ай бұрын

@@confloashton3617 Good work. Evil characters can definitely be played well, but they arenot for everyone. There is a reason why it wasn't recommended for so much time. And your character remained NE?

@confloashton3617

5 ай бұрын

@@TheGoodLuc I think by the end he fully transformed into a white dragon, I would say he would've wound up LN, but that's after epilogue and stuff.

There was one player I had who managed to play a CE character in a non-evil campaign without derailing anything or killing other PCs. I still believe there are people like her out there.

Honestly, evil characters would totally work in a good Party if they are lawful evil and under some oath or other binding thing to the Party(or one of the PCs). Think Amos Burton from the Expanse or Regill from WotR. I think its actually a super cool and interesting dynamic that offers the opportunity for some really nice storylines and fun RP if done well.

Awesome vid. I don’t know if this is an unpopular opinion but I do kind of miss the crab crawly noise. Regardless though, always glad to watch a vid from you

I love that your evil voice is just shadow the hedgehog lol

“I’m chaotic evil!” *stand up. Walk out. Drive home.*

I myself have played a few neutral evil pcs that have worked out quite well in my playgroup. There’s a difference between evil asshole and playing a well thought out bad guy. Mind you, my play group also consists mostly of my close friends so we know how to play off each other well…

@rebeccahicks2392

Жыл бұрын

yeah, there's definitely ways of doing it right.

My rule for evil characters in a good campaign is you have to give a good reason why you're working together

as a player, i have played one or two CE aligned characters, with the intention to redeem them over time and slowly shift them to being a good character when push comes to shove. ill admit, my rp skills arent perfect, but my party knew what i wanted for the character and where amazing at getting them to see the errors of their ways. it was a really cool exercise to play a character that was evil, but wanted to be better and how that might look for them. but again, my dm has a house rule where alignments can change over time as the character does, and i have also played with a LG character who just... killed a whole town because "its what my character would do and my alignment shouldn't change for that!"

I played a Lawful Evil Air Genasi Sorcerer for a Curse of Strahd game, and I played him as a selfish egomaniac who only works with the other PCs because if he doesn't, he's not going back to his home plane. It's possible to play an evil character, but it's not easy at all. I was one of the only characters to actually pick up one of the Dark Gifts at the Amber Temple because it would make sense for his character to seek more power for his own ends

@sennievee6833

Жыл бұрын

What a great character build for that campaign! I bet the RP was really fun

There is a Lawful Evil PC on Pathfinder that summarizes the LE alignment perfectly and his everyone's favorite

Shadowheart from BG3 made me rethink how an 'evil-aligned' character could work with good-aligned party members. I'd be willing to let a player choose an evil background if they can assure me that it will play into some kind of redemption arc in their character development and that they have a solid motive that aligns their goals with the party.

I love your videos keep up the great work Crab king

Is it just me or can you see the waves moving through the King Crab's head?

"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." As a DM I always encouraged my players to do anything they want BUT you see, there's something called "consequences". You do evil things like skinning a centaur and then the word will get out and the group will begin to encounter Centaur "hunting" party a lot more regularly. The Npc's behaviour will begin to change toward ALL the group because of the CE character actions. Guards will begin to be called, Wanted posters will appear....etc. PC's think that they are the only one that can level up, they are wrong, they are only some of this generation of "heroes". I'm not in the business of killing my PC's BUT if characters, expect kings and fair maiden to acknowledge their feats then they have to equally expect their evil deeds to be noticed and have to brace for what will be coming their way.

That post title reminded me of something one of my friends would affectionately use to describe one of my other friend's side character - "He's like a pizza cutter. All edge, no point"

I have seen more than a few games where DMs are socially awkward and unassertive, where players have just run roughshod over them and ruined the game for everyone else.

Hearing all the horror stories about forever DMs makes me grateful that my group has more players that have DMed or are currently DMing a campaign than those who haven't. We all have a mutual understanding of the struggles of DMing and how much work goes into it. There's also no pressure to anyone specific to DM, if anything we find ourselves struggling to find enough timeslots for every campaign. Also allows us all to improve our DMing skills together by borrowing ideas from eachother. We currently have 2 ongoing campaigns, 2 on hiatus, and I'm currently working on a new campaign for when one of the others goes on hiatus. 7 people in the group and 6 of us have experience DMing

Well done Chaotic Evil: Micah Bell from RDR2. Terrible Chaotic Evil... this.

Currently playing a Lawful EvilIL character, but it's more flavored as "Yeah I'm fine with doing that, not like I'd lose any sleep." But also not on board with needless murder

"Half-orc Klingon-style Bard that seeks glory for songs"' is now next on my to-do character list. I'd probably be a Martok-Kor-mashup

How did I know he was going to say chaotic evil?

Chaotic Neutral usually swats such things aside once & for all.....usually for the sake of it too.

That forever DM dodged a bullet, getting out when they could.

Lawful Evil with a little effort can be a lot of fun to play, and can work with most groups. I'm currently playing one now :) One thing that helps is to have the character focus on long term plans and laying the foundations of their "empire" which lets them behave as good characters out of the desire to have loyal devout subjects and a stable kingdom when their plans come to fruition lol Neutral Evil is significantly trickier, and I've never seen Chaotic Evil last long in a group that wasn't in an Evil campaign

I’m playing a chaotic evil crab monster in a game with 1 true neutral and 1 neutral good it’s going pretty well

I have this very specific character I wanna play, she's a daisy domergue-esque thug who used to be a mob bouncer. But I always talk to DMs in regards to making her a part of the plot, because she needs to be integrated in a way where the alternative is death. And even then she needs something like a geas to keep her from cutting and running. And I ALWAYS have a couple of unproblematic, good and neutral characters on the back burner.

I'm currently playing a twist villain in our campaign. It's so hard to keep my mouth shut, but I can't wait to pop the twist. Although its a good few months out

I've had a great time playing a LAWFUL EVIL PC, with just as much desire to see the party accomplish their goals as the paladin

This is why I love my group. We have played characters that don’t mesh well, but we acknowledge it’s a CHARACTER and Sometimes you gotta make ends meet because you are playing a game to have fun. It worked really well and we had a great time.

Thank you CritCrab, I was having the worst few days, with midterm exams, anniversary planning, roommates from hell, and running for student rep. You really kept me together today with this video.

I don’t want to blame the DM, but I will blame the DM… sounds like you wanted to blame the DM.

I once played a lawful evil character in a D&D game with otherwise good-aligned characters, but he was evil simply in the sense that he was serving an evil patron. He wasn't a bully or a murderer, and he actively supported and protected the group and NPCs despite showing little patience for their antics. Heck, he even went out of his way to save a family who were trapped in a house fire, since it reminded him of his past. Sadly, he ended up dying due to an invisible stalker and my consistently bad luck when playing warlocks. Sayonara, Khalid of Calimshan. It was fun while it lasted.

Here I was hoping there would be a followup regarding the Edgelord trying to join one of OP's games and getting shut down.

I loved the video and always love the crab telling rpg stories. I've been wanting to play a lawful evil character for a while that's a cross between the brain from pinky and the brain and lord dreadbones from that one halloween oneshot puffin forest, dingo doodles and zee bashew played where I'm someone who wants to take over the world in a cartoonishly evil way and probably have failed a lot even though I might eventually succeed and I team up with my minions (my likely unaware party) and I will help them save the world since I need society and the world to survive if I am going to take it over. I think that is one of the better ways to play evil characters and lawful evil works a lot better than chaotic evil(and neutral evil is extremely hard to play). Anyway I always love your content critcrab and look forward to your next story.

"I'm chaotic evil" followed by smile is immediate ban in my book

It takes a DM with chops to pull off a mixed group of goodies and baddies especially if you want to avoid player conflict

Hear you on the Forever DM thing, having been nearly stuck there a few times . The usual story - a system / background I really really liked, but that none of my friends refereed. So, I started DMing those games, hoping it will eventually inspire others to follow suit. Hasn't worked yet - surprise, surprise. I am VERY fortunate with the two separate groups I am now with. Both have multiple players who also DM, so a rotation system is used for both. So, those who WANT to DM can get a fortnightly or monthly slot if they want, and play the rest of the time. Everybody gets chances to play; those who want a longer break from DMing can do so; and so real burn-out is almost unknown.

I’m playing a CE Death Cleric in Curse of Strahad. Due to the deck of many things there’s another Evil PC in our group. This has created a schism within the party. It’s making it fun for the players, but there’s a reason all of us have backup characters ready to go.

Commenting for engagement!! I love the new content!

Zoidberg says hello, superior crab🦀

I have a LN monk with a talking CE "familiar" that is actually a very heavily weakened demonic spirit relying on my monk for safety, transportation, and food (my monk is also a cook). What helps make this work is that this Chaotic Evil demonic spirit explicitly has a slight Good bent to them, plus their reliance on the LN monk. Sure, they could go arround causing chaos, but they know that if they did, they risk their host, and thus themself

@sennievee6833

Жыл бұрын

Man that’s clever!!

reminds me of a character i made it was a true neutral character that had strict moral guidelines which often r the same or similar to the laws, but if they dont match then he doesnt follow those laws most of his morals would place him as a good guy, however some r slightly less for a good alignment, for example risking ur own life to safe another person is not smth hed do, bc if he died saving 1 person, then he could safe 2 others

My lawful evil character would have laughed at how pitiful that last guy was and just turned them inside out for threatening another party member.

One of my dream characters to play is chaotic evil and one of the key personality traits is that they are very extroverted and looking to have a good time and bond with just about anyone who's not a clear enemy. Where the chaotic evil comes in (alongside the sadistic interests) is how frivolous and two-faced they can be with these bonds. People are entertaining, but that is the only value most of them have, they don't stack very high when it comes to personal interests. The character will either have fun being with you or using you.

It could have been a Demiurge situation where ,since they're mostly Natural, the evil dude makes things work out where it causes suffering but benefits the others.

SKinning the centaur is in character as a chaotic evil IMO

My version of chaotic evil is casting Messege to someone and spamming Bird is the Word in their brain for hours a day

I played a chaotic evil clown wizard. He was hilarious and the group loved him. Even the good guys thought he was so zany and Saturday cartoon villain it bordered on absurd.

My favorite character was a LE assassin who was brothers with one of the other PCs who played a warlock he was perfectly normal with the party but made a ton of moves behind the senes to protect his brother. Killing a king, bribing gangs, he even made a pact with the warlocks patron to free him from the responsibilities of his pact for his soul.

I've been thinking how to play an evil character and am between either someone running a criminal enterprise that wouldn't attract the party's ire or an idiot who thinks everyone is his minions, like Bowser from Super Mario RPG Legend of the Seven Stars.

ClusterCRAB! Cluster...crab! You gotta' stay on brand, bruh.

So some comments on the story 1: Seems like the other party members didn't really give a shit and was along for the ride with I assume some roleplay. Either way they were all pretty neutral which to me is obvious that the characters and players are pretty passive cause well they're neutrals. The artificer was also on board to kill the centaur while the ranger wasn't. 2: Because of the footprints and the like with the Farrier woman not informing the party the raven folk was working for her means it was a thief along with the loud "We'l kill them for you" from the edgelord means the lady didn't care and wanted her tools back. 3: The DM must've made it a combat encounter cause why elsee roll for initiative? Tip to those who want faster games if the enemies are in a clearing and what not you can ask for a passive perception check and ask for a better description of the enemies. Obviously, they weren't hostile at the moment cause they thought they were safe. 4: DM should give descriptions of characters always cool to design your npcs.Make them hot, make them gross hell I did a description of a cyborg version of Madame Gasket from the Robots movie and had a PC like it before I revealed who it was based on, its a lot of fun. I personally don't care if a PC hits on a female npc cause you know fiction and you shouldn't give a shit.

I think darker side of characters can be played to a decent degree. LE probably the easiest because you are basically a lawyer who bends the law in your side without fully breaking it.

My first time ever running my own campaign as a DM, the entire plot i was trying to set up was completely ruined by the previous DM playing an evil character. Key NPCs were killed off needlessly, main objectives were ignored, and for some reason the other players just went along with it (so basically a normal game of DnD 😂) I got burnt out on that campaign so quickly