I’ll never understand having technology like SCBA and not using it

@cidbozek69

Жыл бұрын

In 15-20 years they will understand why they should have been on air!

@throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361

Жыл бұрын

Too many repeat screenings of Backdraft.

@davidraya8760

Жыл бұрын

Well said!! Smh

@RLTtizME

Жыл бұрын

@@cidbozek69So what happened to you?

I hate to be that guy, I know Firefighters in New York are a different breed, but it's a legitimate concern they aren't on air. Most the time it was still burning, My Chief would have me swapping bottles on calls for like a month if I did that. Great video brother.

@aflaz171

Жыл бұрын

Yeah totally!

@ffjsb

Жыл бұрын

Cancer gives no shits about who you are...

@mikesheets4332

Жыл бұрын

Not to be mean but if there a different breed, there a stupid breed, if there so great they don’t need air then why carry the tank But hey I’m just a common sense kinda guy

@dougc.3497

Жыл бұрын

I agree....wear your mask! I have been diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer after a 38 year fire service career. I have never smoked. When I started on the job, we didn't wear our scba most of the time. You do not want to go through what I or my family are going through now. Wear the F***ING mask.

@timothywarren7712

Жыл бұрын

*a stupid breed

1.5 story homes with smoke upstairs. It's in the knee walls boys. Gotta gotta hook that drywall and expose the seat of the fire with a charged line.

@firefighterpk2440

Жыл бұрын

BOOM!!!! Get it from inside from flat floors instead of working on a steep ( in this case) roof pitch.

Not wearing the mask is 1 thing. It letting the face piece get caught up in all that crap is another.

Why in the world was venting the roof NOT an early move!? Heavy smoke in gable ends, brothers on the upper floor.... it's a wonder they didn't have serious injuries! Also agree with TheSaltyLima, where is air discipline? Members walking into moderate to heavy smoke bare faced.

@ffjsb

Жыл бұрын

Meh, if you're salty, you can't get cancer or emphysema... //sarcasm off//

@davidfore4015

Жыл бұрын

@@ffjsb yeah, they do smoke salmon to preserve it......

@user-mt7il4gh5i

Жыл бұрын

Firefighters are their worst own enemy Put on the air mask you fools

@FloridaCatholicGuy

Жыл бұрын

Fire was venting through the windows. There was no need to vent the roof. FDNY hardly ever goes up in pitched roofs anymore. They do most of their venting by breaking windows…and by breaking windows, I mean they break all the windows whether they need to or not 😂

@ffjsb

Жыл бұрын

@@davidfore4015 Not with asphalt shingles...

Great video coverage!!!

As the smoke and fire escalated I read the smoke. A lot of potential for a flashover. At one point a small backdraft happened. When one Firefighter was on the roof with a pike pole and began ventilation… He was not wearing an SCBA mask. Even during overhaul I didn’t see any masks in use.

@SpacklerTurf

Жыл бұрын

Why would you need scba when your outside on the ladder! I love all you safety guys.....like you'd be wearing it yourself lol

@wyattjohnson5898

Жыл бұрын

@@SpacklerTurf my department requires it! The NFPA does as well! Where there is smoke there is carbon monoxide. Simple logic… Maybe you should become a Firefighter.

@CamoCollie

10 ай бұрын

@@SpacklerTurf Just because you're outside does not mean the smoke is no longer dangerous. You're still breathing in all those cancerous carcinogens that give most the guys in this career lifetime health issues.

@SpacklerTurf

10 ай бұрын

@@CamoCollie with a name like snuffy you must be a pro my apologies.

Not being on air is a cowboy move and it'll cost you later. Claims Investigator would have a heyday with this

@throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361

Жыл бұрын

These dickheads use Backdraft as a training film.

So many lessons to be learned from this video. I'm baffled on why they worked this fire they way they did. I'm obviously not there so I don't know the reasons why they didn't vent, don scba's etc. Every dept has diff protocols

@mandyomally4896

10 ай бұрын

Rookies for sure !

@jaywheeler8207

6 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing! I was like what’s taking so long for the truck company to vent this roof so they might have a small chance of the house not being a complete loss.

Look at all those firefighter not wearing scba mask going into building the chief should be fired

@user-mt7il4gh5i

Жыл бұрын

Yepper There are a lot of macho jerks pretending to firefighters And then they die at the fire scene and the rest of the idiots call them heroes and have a parade when they should have been given the Darwin Award The bewildered herd is well represented in the fire service Wake the hell up!

I guessing these guys all have an unusually high amount of lung cancer at their stations... if only there was something that could protect them...

@jordanmaynard5785

Жыл бұрын

And to add to it the ff at the end of the video, smoking a cigarette 🤔👨‍🚒+💨=💀

@thesaltysierra5202

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if there's an entire NFPA class in the academy you learn about cancer prevention...

Exciting. Thanks for filming.

There are a lot of 'teachable' moments in this video. Hopefully the chiefs and officers will go over them rigorously with their crews. That being said, any number of officers and chiefs would do well to re-evaluate their own actions on this incident.

Nice job. Saved the foundation.

@RLTtizME

Жыл бұрын

That was clever 80 years ago.

@tomvana4270

Жыл бұрын

@@RLTtizME So were you angry little girl.

@RLTtizME

Жыл бұрын

@@tomvana4270 A highly inappropriate response. So FF's are pervs you say?

5:24 I am like, what, they've brought in a helicopter? 😂

@codyking4848

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing lol, I was like dang, that's a REALLY quiet helicopter!

@jenbrixton6834

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 I thought the same to.

Excellent video and I applaud all the hard work the firefighters did to put out that fire

@paulbentley2338

Жыл бұрын

Not sure what video you was watching?

You all have said it all!

If I was on one of the departments working that fire I'd quit. The chiefs clearly don't care about your health.

I can't believe they didn't get that 4th ladder up.

That guy sticking up through the roof better not expect the tax payers to pay his cancer treatments

@dougc.3497

Жыл бұрын

I agree....wear your mask! I have been diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer after a 38 year fire service career. I have never smoked. When I started on the job, we didn't wear our scba most of the time. You do not want to go through what I or my family are going through now. Wear the F***ING mask.

@RLTtizME

Жыл бұрын

Your brain is broke. We’re not paying for that either.

@FFPM371

Жыл бұрын

Great use of air packs, eh?

@jukodebu

5 ай бұрын

how do you know he's got cancer?

Great filming. What a shame for the family.

Nice work guys keep it up

Put that dumb aerial ladder away and put ground ladders up all over the place. Inexperience truck drivers get so focused on the aerial, and forget all about ground ladders.

So... One man climbs the ladder with roof hook and attack the roof. No water... On the ground six other men just watching that guy. No water. Not even any hose in their hands. Why not?

@RLTtizME

Жыл бұрын

Don’t be so bossy.

@Bjohan75

Жыл бұрын

@@RLTtizME i wasnt! But i want to know

@RLTtizME

Жыл бұрын

@@Bjohan75 You FF's eat your own. You disrespect each other on these videos...viciously and without constraint. Everyone could have done it better. Everyone is an expert. It really is quite remarkable. You don't see this in most other professions. Could you imagine Surgeons doing this? You people need to self reflect. Good luck.

Awesome video dude

Don’t see a lot of hand lines being used! Less venting and just put the fire out guys! Also, that’s a ground ladder fire NOT a tower ladder! Lack of SCBA’s is a bad leadership problem. Read the smoke guys, you were in the middle of a flashover, thank God you got out safe.

@danielpempel7746

11 ай бұрын

The video opens with a line clearly in the front door and a 2nd line charged out front. The video shows water being put on the fire.

Nice work men……be safe out there!

dang the panic on the two FFs getting out of the 2nd floor 2:49

It has occurred to me after watching at least 100 or more of these videos showing VFDs at working fires, that the new trend for VFDs is to purchase the most expensive Areial Truck /Water Tower to add to the 1 Pumper Engine the department has in usable condition. Albeit, operating instructions do not come with the purchase of Fire apparatus, inasmuch, as manufacturers rightly expect that any government entity willing to spend $1,000,000.00 or more on a single piece of fire equipment (the average cost of a Ladder Areial Truck) must know how it is supposed to be used. Unfortunately, VFDs buy their equipment for showing to the public at the shed where it is stored and in the yearly Christmas parade only. Its a personal pride and status thing, not an actual piece of Fire apparatus. This fire where 2 Towers are present, but neither are being used to assist the assigned Fire Crews to the roof where they are needed to perform ventilation techniques nor to allow Firefighters with handlines a quick way into the attic portion of the dwelling where the fire is located. A scenario which fully demonstrates that the FD Leadership has no knowledge whatsoever as to how specific fire apparatus are designed to be used.

@JS-zb1vv

Жыл бұрын

True most aren’t used or used correctly. They are mostly there for ISO credit . Saving taxpayers money on homeowners insurance. It’s not their fault they don’t get qualified or quality training sometimes.

@406fire9

Жыл бұрын

I agree alot, however, this is only an East Coast Trend, and you can find it in a lot of East Coast Career Departments as well.

@JS-zb1vv

Жыл бұрын

@@406fire9 na plenty on the west coast do the same. I think it’s more of the departments that don’t get much fire .

@406fire9

Жыл бұрын

@@JS-zb1vv Well atleast up here in Montana and it’s surrounding States I’ve not seen something like this yet, but I’m sure there are some in the lower half.

@JS-zb1vv

Жыл бұрын

@@406fire9 does Montana even have ladders lol

2 Truck companies on location and no roof vent. Are you kidding me.

@9caplad

Жыл бұрын

4

@timothyglaserr8791

Жыл бұрын

Agree I was going to comment the same vent the roof get the heat out go in and knock it hard !!!!! Done!

@azul8811

Жыл бұрын

On a tiny Cape Cod?

Every one getting some practical ventilation training on this scene. Totally defeating themselves and their own guys in the process, but great confidence building for smashing windows.

I live in a small town and was on a paid on call department, watching this is like a train wreck, it was almost unbelievable, did they all just start and not go through fire school, Jesus, god bless them they are my brothers but holy shit! They would of been better off surrounding and drowning that fire!

@m2hmghb

Жыл бұрын

I don't think their chiefs care.

They had lots of people standing around and not putting water on the fire.

@mikeggg1979

6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately that’s Long Island fires. Everyone wants to be there but usually you’ll have a 100 guys standing around

It's good to see a RIT team in place,

@ffjsb

Жыл бұрын

It would've been better to see SCBA masks in place...

@Krixbau

Жыл бұрын

No need for R.I.T when everyone is outside because they forget to vent the roof🫢

those ground ladders need to be extended to the window frame itself not just the side of the building it almost fell over as the firefighter was trying to get on it!and what good is the scba if there not going to use it?! they must all want an early retirement/death from cancer

Venti ng the roof would of helped those firefighters that came out of the window

@LCERRP

Жыл бұрын

Most depts in this area do not vent peaked roofs

@erickaegi629

Жыл бұрын

@@LCERRP why?

@JB91710

Жыл бұрын

So would water. You don't go anywhere in a structure without water. Common Sense and Logic!

@JB91710

Жыл бұрын

@@erickaegi629 Besides the Fact that Vertical Ventilation doesn't work as imagined, you can horizontally vent the windows quicker and safer.

@barry2130

Жыл бұрын

@@erickaegi629 risk vs. reward. operating on peaked roof is never ideal, especially in cape cod houses on Long Island. Too steep a pitch. By the time you get up there, haul up a roof ladder to the peak and start operating, you can have an effective horizontal vent and get the knee walls open in the interior.

I’ve alway wondered how the hell U.S. fire departments keep track of who is where on a fireground and more importantly who is inside or outside of a property or other building!

@RLTtizME

Жыл бұрын

Yet they do.

@terrylugo2474

Жыл бұрын

Accountability tags

@jamjardj1974

Жыл бұрын

@@terrylugo2474 Where? Never seen so much as a clipboard being used, firefighters just walk in and out of property all the time.

@wyattjohnson5898

Жыл бұрын

The accountability tags are on a D ring on the rear of the helmet. Whoever has IC has a system in place for this purpose. When I first got to go interior I gave my tag to my Captain as he had IC. Got my assignment and worked the fire.

@jamjardj1974

Жыл бұрын

@@wyattjohnson5898 Thankyou for the explanation.

No words.

Brothers please evaluate this video, many areas to learn from. Train, train, train. Be safe and, God bless.

I'm glad these fathers are here to celebrate Father's Day with their families.

@TitaniumTurbine

Жыл бұрын

Maybe it’s just me, but if I did this job I would opt not to be a father. Too much danger involved for me to potentially leave my kid(s) without a dad, especially if this is a VFD like other commenters have said.

@chrismckenna5361

Жыл бұрын

If they put their masks on they would live longer

As a UK fire officer I feel so sorry for your VD. Lack of training and on scene leadership.

@andyoxleyonhistravels

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Terrible to watch.

@moemcgovern7345

Жыл бұрын

Some of our Firefighters are volunteers. They don't get paid for what they do. Do you have volunteers in the UK?

@andyoxleyonhistravels

Жыл бұрын

@Moe McGovern There are a handful of small volunteer stations within large departments which are very rural but they do get training and equipment which is funded by the department they are within. Paid or not you should be getting training and sadly these people are poor but more worrying seem to be oblivious to some of the basic dangers and things they are failing to do.

@Steve-tj9on

Жыл бұрын

​@@moemcgovern7345 have you seen some of those brits fight fire😅😂...not all some good, some mediocre, some very very bad. Probably the bad ones mouthing off on here .

@throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@Steve-tj9onYou'd be a yank vol, wouldn't you? Too busy parading around out the front in ridiculous leather helmets and your coats undone. Tell me: if the UK brigades are so bad, why don't they lose as many as what you dickheads do every year??

With fire ground behavior like that, I imagine your injury rate it pretty high. The hell with the safety officer, just let everybody walk the scene. Best get some real training before something really bad happens.

Liked and shared

10:17 what is gramps doing there in his shorts on scene? Looks a bit lost.

I would think that breathing in smoke like that is a bad idea, no?

This is a Perfect How NOT to video!

If you have foam in them engines. Use it. Do not let sit there and age like whiskey.

There are 5 firemen working and 20 standing around.

4:45 However, Mr. Feltkamp already knows that a breathing mask is only effective if he wears the breathing mask on his face. The breathing mask is useless when worn on a belt. Mr. Mangual bei 2:15 too. Nothing that is in the smoke is healthy in any way. There are also too many other emergency personnel standing too close to the building without breathing masks. The colleague (7:10) without a breathing mask also has a death wish. Later, a lawsuit is filed because the liver and lungs are eaten away by cancer.

@marynoa965

Жыл бұрын

Oh my wat is not happening

@Snabbaste87

Жыл бұрын

Spot on brother. The American fire fighters are a joke.

This how not to fight a fire

tough watch.

yea, that was confusing to watch. command has some work to do. no PPE with random guys 2 feet away from the fire and smoke. guys coming in and out of windows and nobody taking command of the situation…. they did get the fire out though. they got that part right at least. teachable moment.

No hose lines putting water inside, no roof vent early on and again no water, poor ladder placement, no one heeling ladders, and man on ladder with pike pole is not wearing scba mask! Very poor form.

This is Long Island firefighting. They all need more training..

I am watching from Elmira NY good job firefighters I pray to the Lord Jesus for your protection everyday. I respect what you do

@Snabbaste87

Жыл бұрын

Good job? Did you wach the video!!?

@Infamoustwin213

Жыл бұрын

@@Snabbaste87 I don’t think the person who commented has any idea how to fight fires properly. All he sees is people who are doing “work” but doesn’t understand that the “work” they are doing is a complete shit show

@Snabbaste87

Жыл бұрын

@@Infamoustwin213 hahaha! Amen brother! ,🤓🤪

Excellent video work. Not going to comment on anything else. It's been said already. 🤦‍♀️

We're taught to bail out head first and come down the ladder on your belly

@danielpempel7746

11 ай бұрын

They are, too. Except that wasn't a bailout.

@46fd04

11 ай бұрын

​@@danielpempel7746 They looked hot. Shoulda been a bail out

@danielpempel7746

11 ай бұрын

Neither one of us was there. We are both going off of a short clip of 2 guys in a short video of a fire that lasted a couple of hours. I'm just going off the title of the video (exited quickly vs bailed out), the fact that they didn't seem to be in that much of a hurry, and the lack of a big ball of flame following them out.

Why do they cut hole to make fire flame I see it cuts smoke but allowed fire to get intense

Have these guys ever heard of vertical ventilation?

Apparently they have never been trained in ventilation or how to wear a mask. Pitiful!

"Forced quickly" I have never seen a US fire fighter move quickly 😆. Yet again, loads of fire fighters (if you can call them that), standing around doing nothing. Now you have made a nice big hole in the roof, try using some of the stuff they call WATER! It really work you know!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow they caused more damage than the fire did

@Sniff34

Жыл бұрын

the amount of smoke damage alone caused more damage than the mediocre comment yo wrote.

@TitaniumTurbine

Жыл бұрын

@@Sniff34 Damn, what a BURN (pun definitely intended).

Wow glad everyone is safe .. électricien mistake is the cause .. and all your investment go to flame I hope the insurance will pay ..

Brave heroes!! God bless you guys and thank you.

Why no water from the tower ladder?

@danielpempel7746

11 ай бұрын

Because the fire was out out with hoselines. Flowing water from a tower ladder means that you've given up and are trying to save the house next door.

I wish fire departments would publish details about the cause of house fires like this. It's my worst nightmare. Well one of my worst.

@mikekolczynski5665

Жыл бұрын

The government publishes the data.

@traceystock7352

Жыл бұрын

@@mikekolczynski5665 They jut say "electrical." Or other such general descriptions. Not helpful. Used to provide more detail like when EVs were newer, the charging problems or Lithium Ion batteries in toys and tools -- now they just say "electrical" or "battery charging improperly."

@mikekolczynski5665

Жыл бұрын

@Tracey Stock look into the US fire administration.

@mikekolczynski5665

Жыл бұрын

@Tracey Stock also look at NIST fire research. Look at CPSC consumer products safety commission.

@mikekolczynski5665

Жыл бұрын

@@traceystock7352 ATF also has a fire research laboratory.

o wait, cant use my scba cause i have a full beard. come on

Am I the only one who sees that one firefighter just throwing shit out of the windows? Where im from you knock the fire then worry about personal items

@vinnyb.1314

Жыл бұрын

The fire was in the knee walls. People use the area behind the knee walls for storage. All that shit behind the knee walls has to go somewhere to get to the seat of the fire.

Boys…where is the water?…also…those 35lb backpacks…use em…it’s 2023, and no longer an acceptable risk to skip the SCBA…

@SpacklerTurf

Жыл бұрын

Everybody decides their own acceptable risk.....cool opinion but that's your own...

they work hard but ferry foolisch

Your gonna be that close to live fire on a rooftop with the ladder…with no mask on…then wonder why you get cancer before 50….

As a firefighter in ireland myself..why are they not using there BA in the moments you need to we are getting big on the cancer aspect of firefighting here and health and safety..

Damn i love all the armchair firefighters.... keep the critiques coming its keeping me awake at work

@user-rh9mh5kh3p

Жыл бұрын

You’re a jackass

I thought NY has some of the stringent firefighting training in the country guess not. Might as well just surround and drown it and call it a lost. Weird… well good no body got hurt. They look professional but the out come showed different. 🥺

3 trucks on a house that size 🤷‍♂️

Did the guy at the end rip a dart ?? 😂

06:01 Love the black bra flying out the window.

If you have foam dont just let it sit in the tank and age like whiskey. Use it.

@ffjsb

Жыл бұрын

Most fire departments DON'T even have foam. Foam isn't the problem here, lack of leadership and training is.

@georgecoons6872

Жыл бұрын

@@ffjsb holy vey.

@georgecoons6872

Жыл бұрын

@@ffjsb themajestrium1 youtube. all new york city fires. filmming host J.J.

@WhiteNoise493

Жыл бұрын

Foam ain't cheap. Water is. Save the expensive ass foam for a flammable liquid fire.

@georgecoons6872

Жыл бұрын

DAWN SOAP DEGTERGENT WORKS JUST FINE ALL ALL FIRES ECCEPT METALS BUT PUMP ENOUGH DAWN THROUGH A MIXING ADDAPTOR IT WILL GO OUT . WERE THE OATMEN FIRE DEPARTMENT HILLBILLYS VOLLUNTEERS.

I get the smoke wasn’t that bad but they should have been been on air!

wow amazing bad training those guys had, i hope they all have a good health insurance cause they will need it sooner or later.....little advise...if you have a BA use it...fresh air does really help when working in side building with smoke...i am happy to no be a member of a US fire deparment but i would love to train them as there are a looooot of things which are wrong on in those 10 min vid

God help us all if they should ever attend a large building fire

Read the smoke guys!

So what did i miss, no pressurized smoke, so no flashover or backdraft..............why did they bail out so early? Even if they were the primary search team that went in without a line, should have been able to get back downstairs and grab it, and get back to work on the fire.

O wow

This never would have happened to John Gage and Roy DeSoto

Why isn't Feltkamp wearin his mask on the ladder?

SCBA guys….. sheesh

Ist das eine Abrissfirma oder Feuerwehrmänner/Frauen? Das geht gar nicht, in Deutschland versucht man den Schaden so gering wie möglich zu halten. Bei dem Einsatz scheint es als wäre die Devise hau alles kurz und klein und dann löschen wir vielleicht das Feuer.

Why isn't anyone opening up the ROOF

the guy not wearing a scba and vaping has iron lungs

🌊🔥🌊🇺🇸

Say hello to the firecancer.

3 aerials for such s small dwelling

And the stupid captain in the attic!

3 aerial trucks for cape ,embarrassingly poor truck work.

If they had to exit the house, why didn't they exit head first down the ladder?

@danielpempel7746

11 ай бұрын

Obviously, they felt they had the time to go out feet first. It doesn't look like a true 'bailout' to me, rather them deciding to get out before it got that bad.

This occurs when you are not trained in building construction. These "Cape Cod" houses have kneewalls. Great place for hidden fire. Gotta open those up early.

Very uncoordinated and unprofessional attack from this video. Lack of experience shows evidently. And the number of guys not wearing their SCBAs is also evident. When they get Lung Cancer it better not be coming out of Tax Payers Money. These departments should really reconsider themselves. I also feel bad for the homeowners for having such an irresponsible Fire District. It's very sad that the Fire Services in New York have turned into that. So ignorant, SMH.

I can only HOPE that this is a VOLUNTEER Dept...LESS Ladder trucks, try basic firefighting with an Engine Company... Just WOW~

Sorry Valley Stream guys. Two captains not wearing their masks. Doesn't do any good to carry all that extra weight if you aren't going to use it. Should be docked a weeks pay.. I can sort of understand the one guy emptying the dresser - that way they have at least some clothes. What was the deal with shoving the heater out the roof? Can't be re-used. It's heavy and this guy is too macho to wear a mask. It doesn't mater how many years you have been doing it, you should be on air. Yes I know, some of you "old" guys (and yes now I'm one too) breathe smoke better than air. The guys I used to work with in Houston would go in, put the fire out, then come outside for "rehab", so they could smoke one. Never made sense to me. But then I had given up smoking 4 years earlier when I started high school. I saw lots of fire in my day and even had an arsonist back me up on a line once.