The Bible is like a person in the sense that, with enough torture, it can be made to say whatever someone wants.

@teacherrussell5206

5 ай бұрын

😂

@onejohn2.26.

5 ай бұрын

only if you twist and add on to the existing scriptures

@Noneya5555

5 ай бұрын

Retconning helps. 😄

@gargould7186

5 ай бұрын

@@onejohn2.26. Revelation 22:18 & 19

@ryanthomas7119

5 ай бұрын

Pulling off the fingernails of Isaiah

I mean, depending on how much of mental gymnastics you want to make, you can find Jesus in Genesis, Spider-Man in the New Testament, ABBA in the Quran and Bart D. Ehrman in Buddhist Sutras...

@pagandeva2000

5 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌 I’m crying here from laughing

@pagandeva2000

5 ай бұрын

And, I thought it was Bart Simpson in the Buddhist Sutras. I’ve got to get to reading again…😅

@camilleespinas2898

5 ай бұрын

🤣🤣

@UplandJones1

5 ай бұрын

🧘Ehrmm, Ehrmm, Ehrmm

@jezah8142

5 ай бұрын

Seek and you shall find apparently 🤷🏻

Imagine Jesus commanding the Hebrews to kill every man, woman, children and cattle in a city, gays and adulterers to be stonned to death, and disobedient children to be put to death in front of the whole community; then comes years later and says "love everyone, turn the other cheek, don't even think about being angry." It's so bipolar. It's also the same Jesus that begged God (himself) not to let him suffer on the cross.

@russellmiles2861

5 ай бұрын

There is the before Abraham was I am clause ... Yep, Jesus is a nasty piece of work in Hebrew Bible and NT. I guess folk will truck with the devil if it gets them immortality

@ed7590

5 ай бұрын

The dilemma you described is what gave rise to Gnosticism, kind of understandable when you think about it. They believed both the new and old testaments, so thought it can't possibly be the same God doing these contradictory acts.

@exaucemayunga22

5 ай бұрын

@@ed7590 Christianity is what Dragon Ball GT is to Dragoon Ball Z

@ed7590

5 ай бұрын

@@exaucemayunga22 I'm not a weeb I don't understand the reference.

@exaucemayunga22

5 ай бұрын

@@ed7590 I apologize, let me try another way. Christianity is to Judaism what Mormonism is to Christianity.

Mr. Fantastic, Elastigirl, and Monkey D. Luffy all wish they could stretch as much as someone who sees Jesus in Moses’ water rock, and the number 318. Wow.

@MrDalisclock

5 ай бұрын

It's funny because I've seen it argued that there's pagan symbolism to Moses striking a rock with his Snake shape shifting staff and getting cthonic water as a result which is a trope associated with serpents in mythology. Add to that the magical snake in a pole which heals people from snakebites and which was later removed from the temple because people were offering incense to it. It's speculation for sure but it's fascinating theres serpent mythological tropes associated with the early Hebrews and thier pre exilic religious practices.

@GabrielEddy

5 ай бұрын

@@MrDalisclock Egyptian religion was something else.

Eusebuis famously wrote a work called "The preparation for the gospel" where he tried to prove any mythological themes or tropes that seem similar to Christianity are because god subtly inserted them into pagan religions, as opposed to Judaism and Christianity using prevelent mythological and thematic tropes from the ancient near east like everyone was doing.

@KarmasAB123

5 ай бұрын

Wouldn't it make more sense to not do that so that Christianity is more special?

@dukeon

5 ай бұрын

Kinda like he subtly inserted dinosaur fossils into the rocks to test people’s faith. Lol

@JenniferVaughnEstrada

5 ай бұрын

I remember reading that book 20+ years ago. Arguably there's some precedence for it. Eusebius was probably inspired by Paul's Areopagus sermon. In it, doesn't Eusebius assume the Phoenix legend is true?

@MrDalisclock

5 ай бұрын

@@JenniferVaughnEstrada I haven't read more then bits of it. Mostly I know of it because he accidentally preserved some Phoenician mythology by citing sources that are now lost to us. We have Urgaritc/Canaanite mythology from excavations at Urgarit while eusebuis helped preserve Phoenician mythology that would probably be otherwise lost to us. Too bad he couldn't cite some Minoan mythology as well, we might have some preservation of that too

@XGoken

4 ай бұрын

@@KarmasAB123yes but it was a failed attempt to try giving Christianity more credence. There may be a name for it but it’s like getting caught by the police and found guilty, and to prove your alleged innocence, you start over explaining to seem innocent yet inadvertently proving yourself to be more guilty

The idea of a grown man getting circumcised in the Bronze Age is one of the most insane things ever. The fact that they talked anybody into it is astounding.

@tookie36

5 ай бұрын

Imagine how many infections happened before the circumcisions tho

@llamalordno9998

5 ай бұрын

@@tookie36 lol what? I can’t imagine a quicker way to infection than cutting the end off your penis with a non-sterile blade that they probably used on your friend just 5 minutes prior.

@4305051

5 ай бұрын

hence the need for Paul to reject the law in order to get widespread acceptance of Christianity

@kobe51

5 ай бұрын

💯

@llamalordno9998

5 ай бұрын

I think YT may have blocked my response but I repeat, getting circumcised with an unsterile knife in the Bronze Age is a perfect way to GET an infection.

I loved Bart saying that Genesis can be read from different points of view. I last read Genesis about a year ago, and I learned that having numerous wives frequently leads to dysfunctional families. Another lesson seemed to be that there is a price to be paid for deceit, and that there are things that we must not do, as well as things that we must do. It's a very adult book, and I truly did not understand the depth of its moral teaching from my childhood reading of Bible stories. I can't say I found Jesus in those pages, but your explanation of that phenomena has a logic to it which may be helpful to many people.

@lawsonj39

5 ай бұрын

The lessons you mentioned don't really sound very adult--more like basic commonsense that any 10-year-old could grasp.

@pagandeva2000

5 ай бұрын

@@lawsonj39 yeah, like don’t be greedy 😆

I remember during Bible study at around 8 years old that the teacher stated in the book of Daniel, when the three men were thrown in the fire, then spectators looked in an saw four men, that the 4th one was Jesus.

@michaelkavanagh5947

5 ай бұрын

That one can surprise new christians.

@pagandeva2000

5 ай бұрын

@@michaelkavanagh5947 I suspect so as well.

@808bigisland

5 ай бұрын

There was no zero number and most people couldn’t count to three

@jeffryphillipsburns

5 ай бұрын

I remember being taught evolution in Sunday school when I was six or seven. Probably we attended different churches.

@queue9773

5 ай бұрын

I think it was deliberately translated as "son of god" in KJV in order to refer more explicitly to Jesus. NRSV(UE), which is the version preferred by scholars, says "the fourth has the appearance of a god (footnote: a son of the gods)". Later Nebuchadnezzar says that god sent an angel to protect the 3 men (Daniel 3, 28)

Okay, seriously, how does Megan's hair survive so many color changes and still look so perfect??

Hey, are those new glasses Megan? Love this aspect of your pod!

@pagandeva2000

5 ай бұрын

Isn’t she the COOLEST?? I look forward to her trademark glasses and hair colors. Love her!

@petersage5157

5 ай бұрын

"Aspect"? I see what you did there etymologically; very clever. I think Bart mentioned Megan's constantly changing glasses in this podcast once. Maybe we should start a pool on what color they'll be next time?

@hoopoe3093

5 ай бұрын

She looks like the younger Meryl Streep. 😊

@dbarker7794

5 ай бұрын

She's like the Elton John of religion podcasts.

@MossyMozart

5 ай бұрын

@@hoopoe3093 - There IS a similarity.

The discussion of Christian interpretations of the plural "I" in the Old Testament reminded me of that one time a couple of women came to my door to proselytize this obscure Christian break-away sect that believes that God has a wife who is co-creator of the universe and that the Old Testament's usage of "We" was referring to both God and Her. I tried countering with that same argument of "Well, what if it's just the royal We? The Old Testament wasn't written in English, after all." and their response was "We're not talking about any of those fancy interpretations or different languages or whatever! We're talking about what the Bible SAYS!!" with a lot of emphasis on the word "says." I was too confused to respond to that. I think for a lot of Christians not in this world of theological study, the English Bible they receive is just The Bible and what they're told it says is just what It Says and to question any aspect of that is to lack faith. It was very interesting to see that type of anti-intellectual, fundamentalist attitude applied to such a unique strain of Christianity.

I found Elvis in Isaiah. It’s because I have faith. ❤️ Love this podcast! Love Bart and Megan is a super sharp interviewer with the coolest glasses in town 🫶

I grew up Oneness Pentecostal so the idea of Jesus being in Genises is completely new to me.

Thank you Megan & Dr Erham.

@50:17 "If jesus came back today and saw what is being done in his name, would he say that you guys nailed it"? That would be an interesting choice of words from somebody who got nailed. 😂😂😂

Not plural I but because early Israelites probably weren't monotheists

@pagandeva2000

5 ай бұрын

Didn’t Rachel (or her sister)hid some idols for some reason? I agree with you. They weren’t monotheistic

@dukeon

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. Otherwise the old timey prophets wouldn’t be constantly telling them not to worship golden calves. Kinda gives it away

@robertfloyd4287

5 ай бұрын

True.

Save the Palestinians from oppression

@lawsonj39

5 ай бұрын

Especially a biblically "justified" oppression.

@tawan20082008

2 ай бұрын

amen

PICK, CHOOSE, INTERPRET, REPEAT.

@geemoney4242

5 ай бұрын

Read, Comprehend, Test, Believe “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”

@thewb8329

5 ай бұрын

@@geemoney4242 Did that extensively already as well as researching the historical and cultural contexts it was written in and researching the evolution of religion and Christianity and the Bible. For example, anyone that knows the background of 666 in the book of Revelation knows it represents a lettering /numbering sum for Greek and Hebrew that was used to name the Emperor Nero and not some prophecy of the End Times for the Anti Christ which many Evangelicals think to this day since their Religious leaders preach that. 80% of Christian’s have never even read the Bible (pew research poll). That might be a good start to exposing the Bible for what it actually is (other than a display as a membership card).🧐

@yeahnaaa292

5 ай бұрын

​@@geemoney4242 If only religious lot would apply such with intellectual honesty.

🎶 Jesus he knows me, and he knows I’m right. ~ (Genesis)

Texan here... When you are in Austin, you have HAVE to go to Esther's Follies. You will have the best time!!!

@jeffryphillipsburns

5 ай бұрын

Austin is an oasis in a desert state.

The very last part of this video, about Christians not following what Jesus taught, agrees with my own conclusion. When Bart said it, I still found it profound.

@chrisstathe9183

3 ай бұрын

A Christian is suppose to love his neighbor as thyself and this is by bringing the gospel in the hope it saves them like God saved you according to his mercy and purpose.

Hey Bart, just read your book Triumph of Christianity. In my opinion, the best and most accessible book I could find on its topic. Just started reading Heaven and Hell now. Really appreciate your perspective and scholarship. I started studying Christianity about a little over a year ago, finally finishing the Bible just last month. Across my studies, I found it challenging to sift through apologetic resources disguised under the banner of objectivity for supplementary information on the subject. I just want pure scholarship, without an obvious theological or religious agenda. On that account, finding you has been a real gem!

@mooshei8165

5 ай бұрын

Yep. Finish reading the entire Bible back in 2005. Was planning to being a Christian, but after so much research (didn’t know who Bart ehrman at that time). Man. Christianity has the bloodiest and brutal history and they’ve done to the Jews. Nah. This religion is not for me.

@Truth-Is-a-Hard-Pill

5 ай бұрын

Is there a possibility that "pure scholarship" hide some important stuff because of bi-as or some worldly benefits?

Good critiques of Christian claims of the Old Testament supposedly prophesizing Jesus are regularly given by Rabbi Tovia Singer. You tube him. He pulls no punches.

@iamVJLopez

5 ай бұрын

I learned a ton from him. His lessons make reading the bible so exciting.

You should read “The Unseen Realm” by Dr. Michael Heiser.

Bart uploads I like

😍😍😍😍😍 a new video of our favorite Prof ❤❤❤❤

Another interesting topic. Thanks Bart and Megan. Kudos 😊

"The father of circumcision" LOL!

@Noneya5555

5 ай бұрын

Ouchie! 😱🤣

@pagandeva2000

5 ай бұрын

THAT father probably wasn’t popular…

@quetzelmichaels1637

5 ай бұрын

There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! "I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! (Luk 12:49-50 NABO) (it is better to marry than to be on fire (1Co 7:9 NABO) Be fruitful, and multiply (Gen 1:28 KJV) "For by my wrath a fire is enkindled that shall rage to the depths of the nether world (Abyss), Consuming the earth with its yield, and licking with flames the roots of the mountains. (Deu 32:22 NABO) Down I went to the roots of the mountains; the bars of the nether world (Abyss) were closing behind me forever (Jon 2:7 NABO) We saw his star (of Bethlehem) at its rising (Mat 2:2 NABO) Up from the Abyss (Rev 17:8 NABO) The star was called "Wormwood” (Rev 8:11 NABO) It was given the key for the passage to the Abyss. (Rev 9:1 NABO) I hold the keys to death and the netherworld (Abyss). (Rev 1:18 NABO) 'Who will go down into the Abyss (nether world)?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead) (Rom 10:7 NABO) Warning of the impending Day of the Lord, he was swallowed by the Beast out of the Sea and spewed out upon the shore as the Beast out of the Earth, as the sun beat down upon his head and a burning east wind began the Way of the Lord in the Desert. the one who is and who was and who is to come, the almighty (Rev 1:8 NABO) The beast that you saw existed once but now exists no longer. It will come up from the Abyss and is headed for destruction. (Rev 17:8 NABO)

Just want to say to both Bart and Megan that I LOVE 💕 THEM! I look forward to their videos

In Genesis 1:26, the verb "let us make" is plural first person, with the doer of the action being ELOHIM. This is not the usual wording (usually it is the singular verb)...and fundamentalists make much of this, saying that the writer is trying to make a point here.

Why do so many people say that the word Elohim means , “Those from the Heavens came .” Referring not, that it means , “The God ,” but refers to the Anunnaki, the beings who came to earth from the Sumerian cuneiform written history?

I suppose if I try hard enough, Jesus can be foreshadowed throughout the Rig Vedas too

@MossyMozart

5 ай бұрын

@kobe51 - Go to it.

Before Abraham was (I am) I thought is was Jesus who cast himself in Genisis

@Truth-Is-a-Hard-Pill

5 ай бұрын

Before Abraham was "I AM". Before Abraham was God. It's God that I'm getting my knowledge from. That's what Jesus is telling those J3-ws. Kindly read the context. The J3-ws are upset at Jesus refuting then again and again. Jesus then talked about Abraham whom they claim to respect. "... Abraham rejoiced seeing his day.... " Whose day? The day of a MAN Jesus. As it is, you are looking for a way to k1-ll me (Jesus), 👉 *A MAN who has told you the truth that I (Jesus) heard from God* . Abraham did not do such things...... " They are trying to K-1-l-l a MAN Jesus who heard the truth from God. Vs Abraham didn't try to K-1-l-l a MAN Jesus who heard the truth from God. They are AGAINST, Abraham was NOT. Obviously a Prophet of God will rejoice seeing the time and dispensation of another Prophet of God. In the heavenly realm, or by Revelation, Prophet Abraham met Prophet Jesus (or was given the info about a Prophet of God to come in future via Revelation, Prophecy) and Prophet Abraham REJOICED that the time and dispensation of Prophet Jesus had arrived. How a man Jesus knows Abraham. *No big deal* A MAN Jesus heard the truth from God and that God was before Abraham. Fantastic refutation of their arguments by a MAN Jesus. They got frustrated again and picked up the stones to stone a MAN Jesus who had told them the truth which he heard from God. Of course before Abraham was God."... Abraham rejoiced seeing his day.... " Whose day? The day of a MAN Jesus. As it is, you are looking for a way to k1-ll me (Jesus), 👉 *A MAN who has told you the truth that I (Jesus) heard from God* . Abraham did not do such things...... " They are trying to K-1-l-l a MAN Jesus who heard the truth from God. Vs Abraham didn't try to K-1-l-l a MAN Jesus who heard the truth from God. They are AGAINST, Abraham was NOT. Obviously a Prophet of God will rejoice seeing the time and dispensation of another Prophet of God. In the heavenly realm, or by Revelation, Prophet Abraham met Prophet Jesus (or was given the info about a Prophet of God to come in future via Revelation) and Prophet Abraham REJOICED that the time and dispensation of Prophet Jesus had arrived. How a man Jesus knows Abraham. *No big deal* A MAN Jesus heard the truth from God and that God was before Abraham. Fantastic refutation of their arguments by a MAN Jesus. They got frustrated again and picked up the stones to stone a MAN Jesus who had told them the truth which he heard from God. Of course before Abraham was God.

@gargould7186

5 ай бұрын

In Genesis 1:26 God was referring to Jesus when he said “Let us make man in our image. Because when he says US he was talking about Jesus, because his Son was his first creation ( Colossians 1:15)

@BrownieMiyamoto

3 ай бұрын

@@gargould7186It was the Archons( The Principalities) and if you read later after Eve ate the “Apple”, they repeated exactly the same thing. Jesus said he was the “Snake”.

I'm reminded of politicians who try to take credit for everything their constituents like.

Moses hitting the rock (instead of talking to it) was in Bamibar 20 ,not Exodus. Before they got to Sinai the bitter waters turned sweet. The bitter water was Marah. That is in exodus.

@user-ht4ir7yw6p

5 ай бұрын

So if you want to actually communicate with the vast majority of people on this site you might want to use the word Numbers, instead of Bamibar.

@majipoorcat

5 ай бұрын

@@user-ht4ir7yw6p I think not. I don’t have to play to the lowest denominator. It’s really easy to Google.

The sound is fixed now ❤

I presume that Adam and Eve were covered with Jesus's skin. Just to have the sacrifice complete.

Thank you so much for taking time to educate us recovering Christians.

Love Megan’s glasses

@tawan20082008

2 ай бұрын

nobody ever says that

@maddi62

2 ай бұрын

@@tawan20082008 I said it

@maddi62

2 ай бұрын

@@tawan20082008 They do. I said it

Regarding Barnabas, it seems likely that for many Jews, the Hebrew text had fallen completely out of use, so the author likely was only familiar with the Septuagint. But that also suggests a later, Hellenic author

Jesus is a common name among Hispanics. Our roofer's name is Jesus, pronounced hay soose.

@russellmiles2861

5 ай бұрын

Well Jesús is a Spanish name. It is more a funny name for Hebrew 2000 years ago.

It’s raining cats and dogs has nothing to do with cats and dogs.

I would be super interested in Bart talking more about the development of the Trinity, especially the Holy Spirit. I'm very curious where the idea of the Holy Spirit came from, how early in Christianity the concept developed and why.

@GabrielEddy

5 ай бұрын

Much like other Near East religious concepts, it derives from Egypt. (Genesis 41:38)

@jamesnincross

5 ай бұрын

Think he's done it

Here's one but you need to focus on verse 8 : Genesis 29:1-8 KJV 1)"Then Jacob went on his journey, and came into the land of the people of the east. 2)And he looked, and behold a well in the field, and, lo, there were three flocks of sheep lying by it; for out of that well they watered the flocks: and a great stone was upon the well's mouth. 3)And thither were all the flocks gathered: and they rolled the stone from the well's mouth, and watered the sheep, and put the stone again upon the well's mouth in his place. 4)And Jacob said unto them, My brethren, whence be ye? And they said, Of Haran are we. 5)And he said unto them, Know ye Laban the son of Nahor? And they said, We know him. 6)And he said unto them, Is he well? And they said, He is well: and, behold, Rachel his daughter cometh with the sheep. 7)And he said, Lo, it is yet high day, neither is it time that the cattle should be gathered together: water ye the sheep, and go and feed them. 8)And they said, We cannot, until all the flocks be gathered together, and till they roll the stone from the well's mouth; then we water the sheep." As it turns out , "rolling the stone" in early Hebrew thinking means to reveal something . I think that this is about Yeshua being in the tomb , then the stone was rolled away from the tomb , then He "watered the sheep"

@Bart D. Ehrman If you're going to advertise for Shure make them pay for it.

Read about the two powers in heaven in jewish thinking in the inter-testamental period by Dr. Michael Heiser

44:15 Origen is mentioned. 46:09 Four approaches to "reading" a text is mentioned.

Sound problem when Megan talks! Please look into it

@danajones379

5 ай бұрын

She mumbles

When I was a student nurse in my labor delivery rotation I went in to watch a circumcision poor tiny baby boy was traumatized and so was I, had I ever been able to have children and a boy no way would I, it still pulls at my heart ♥️ at 73 years old and 30 years as an active RN

The world I have lived in for 75 years includes man made books about a godman named Jesus but none of the characters in these stories have ever appeared before me to confirm their existence. As a thinking person that prefers testable, reliable information I try to maintain a line of separation between reality and make believe.

My Gawd!! I was raised southern Bapt. I then went to a full gospel spirit filled church. I spent 20 years in Assembly of God disguised as a non denominational mega church and I have NEVER heard any of this. I’m out now and am learning things my Christian brothers may have believed this all along? Are they afraid to teach these ideas?

@tawan20082008

2 ай бұрын

church pastors usually only tell jokes like wannabe comedians

If you decide to visit the DFW area, let us know!!!

Bart, why there are so few of your books published in portuguese? Greetings from Brazil

Crucifying me all over again 😂😂😂😂😂😂. THIS is why I love Bart

Thank you

Regarding "let us create", isn't another common explanation explanation that God was simply addressing the divine council? Also, what does Bart think of Joel Barnett's discussion on elohim?

Hmm. So many interesting aspects in the discussion of Adam and Eve's sin, the clothing from animal skins that becomes the derivation of sacrificing animals to cleanse sin, and then becomes the underpinning of the sacrifice of the son, Jesus Christ, which eventually winds up as the core of Christianity. I always wondered why the killing of Jesus on the cross is what ended up as the main symbol, rather than his work as a teacher, his message of love, etc. - Christianity developed around the notion of sacrifice, as did pagan religions, but Christianity took sacrifice up a few notches by making a human its victim - or better yet, a god! Kind of turns the old traditions upside down, to sacrifice a divine being. At the same time, it maintains the old beliefs about sacrifice - and calls to mind "primitive" tribes threw virgins into volcanoes (at least in the movies!) or slaughtered them on some ceremonial altar. It's so strange when you look at it that way. How could Christians view other religions as barbaric when the most sacred ritual they have is about the torture and killing of a man? Resurrection isn't really as central as the crucifixion itself, in Catholic teachings (speaking as a product of Catholic schools).

26:47 No the Serpent in Genesis is a Nachash which means Enchanter, Sorcerer, or Seducer.

@Mavors1099

4 ай бұрын

Nah, just a serpent.

Is there any evidence that lre-Jesus Jews agreed with any of these interpretations? Ie: did Jews cite these verses as things they'd expect from a future Messiah? Or is this all post-diction?

I could listen to Meghan reading the phone book happily.

Keep going Bart.with you.

If we're not confining the discussion to Genesis, the story of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in the fiery furnace deserves a mention

I always thought the Royal We means I and my subjects.

@lazykbys

5 ай бұрын

I was told it meant "God and I", though I can't remember where I heard it.

47:43 Very interesting question! And very good answer, as well. I was always interested in this ever since I learned that the New Testament greek was mostly of a lower standard. And this is also what I always felt when I was reading it in my own language, which is quite ironical to be honest.

Why did you use an image of Padrão dos Descobrimentos (Monument to the Discoveries) at 16:26? It's preceded and followed by images of Egyptian monuments and the context is... Genesis? It doesn't affect my interest in these lectures (and I mostly just listen to them) but I couldn't help to notice the out of context 1940's monument in Lisbon. Or maybe I'm just missing something :) Anyway, carry on with your great work. I'm just helplessly curious.

27:00 was literally mid typing _"dont you mean 'legless lizard who hapns to currently have legs?"_ , but was too slow. _JC

18:40 and superman. it's his family name & how the "S" is pronounced, of course. _JC

If I were an infant at the time, I’d be arguing like hell too that circumcision was only meant to be symbolic 😅

@jeffryphillipsburns

5 ай бұрын

The vast majority of American males today are circumcised. You don’t need to return to “the time”. In any case, you would have been then a remarkably articulate infant-then or now.

@MusicalRaichu

5 ай бұрын

@@jeffryphillipsburns what!? what on earth are americans clipped for?

Would not a serpent bite on the heal? Would not crushing the serpent’s head be the way to prevent a bite? Maybe these fables are pragmatically simple?

@lazykbys

5 ай бұрын

It would be a lot simpler just to avoid snakes since most of them only bite humans when they feel threatened.

@robertfloyd4287

5 ай бұрын

Maybe Jesus trying to stomp on the serpent is why it bites him.

I found aphrodite in the old testament; god splits adam/ouranus to form primordial woman who is called hawah(life) which is almost ahawah(love) But is also pandora as well as aphrodite, Later she shows up again is esther/ishtar Who was the most beautiful woman, and marduk/mordecai is zeus, And then she shows up again as the shulamite in song of songs With temples behind her veil like 2 slices of a pomegranate, Then again in the sephirot of netzach as haniel the archangel associated with the planet venus

Jesus is in a grilled cheese sandwich. No really, it's a thing.

@MichaelJonesC-4-7

5 ай бұрын

Grilled Cheesus! Do people love it?! Hail Yeah!! ; ) grilledcheesus.com/cdn/shop/files/grilled_cheesus_header.png?v=1701983448

Is there evidence in the bible or extra biblical writings during the time that time of the use of a "Royal We"?

Thank you.

When it comes to the Trinity especially, is it really so much Christians reading the Doctrine of the Trinity back into the Hebrew Bible as deriving the Trinity from those passages. Not so much the Father/Son part, but the Holy Spirit.

Is this evidence that the Bene Gesserit have visited earth

34:00 like the Sony universe interpretation system for Marvel. _JC

Min 12:00 But Abraham story in the Old Testament is not written in Greek. That's because the audience of the Epistle of Barnabas were Hellenic converts not Jews. So they were only familiar with the Septuagint text. This is similar to why the Gospel writers portrayed Jesus saying Ego Eimi I Am to answer the Sadducees that God is not Lord over the dead but of the living. Except when there's a problem that in Hebrew there's no present participle.

For all you bible scholars out there pontificating on the finer points of what Christians thought about in the year - say 50, do a little research and discover when the term 'Christian' was first applied to those who thought Jesus was really swell.

I'm the last type of Christian that Bart describes here and also straddling slightly Jewish. Agree with everything he said here.

Is bat's Shure mic plugged in?

Megan! Go to a place called La Hollys in Austin. The best taco and the best queso you willll ever have!!

The printing press gives us a book written by a single auathor at a single specific time. The torah is written by many anonymous authors and commitees separated by hundreds of years in a process we can never know. Yet even their book is determined by scribes, so there have existed hundreds of lost versions. The interpretation of Elohim as singular is quite a stretch, and contridicts occams razor, its aplogetics. The absurdity is that hebrew speakers read 'the Gods' and english speakers simply dont know. What seems obvious is that the later scribes changed the verbs to singular and story to a single God as polytheism became condemned, but were afraid to change Elohim to singular. Polytheism was accepted when the torah was first written.

So, according to Bart, first there was an actual Jesus and then people found traces of him throughout the Bible. But what's the point? None of the other Bible figures is everywhere. It seems more likely that they first combed the books for information about their expected Messiah and then imagined they had missed their Messiah's coming because he should have appeared per the already re-interpreted Daniel prophecy and finally built an incarnated divinity out of these.

Great episode, thank you Bart and Megan

I'm curious to hear Bart's perspective on the line of thought that there was a schism in the old testament religions where there were jews/members of the tribes of Israel that believed more in a "Christian" expectation of Christ in a monolotris way, and others who took a very strict monotheist approach with Jehovah as the only god. The "winning" faction were the Jews that then altered or selected the scriptural record to affirm their interpretation which remained the mainstream idea when Christ arrived. This could lend to a much more compelling case for the old testament to have originally been a "Christian" text. I also think we have to consider the reality of a very multivalent reading of the scriptures. An example Bart often talks about is how Isaiah doesn't refer to Christ and other prophets are usually talking about contemporary rulers in their text. Yet, I think it is possible and most likely that they are using those contemporary events to be instructive in a prophetic way about future events. By using a context that is readily understandable, the readers and followers would have a better grasp of the meaning. For us now, the historical context doesn't lend as much aid as the future events that are being alluded to are for us also in the past. Therefore, we stick with the events that the original account was pointing to in the first place as the more important interpretation. I think many scholars and believers alike are quick to take one meaning a miss the richness of the discussion. It could be one that is a more historical or literal view of texts, or a purely figurative reading. The reality is most of the writings (Genesis is a great example) are not meant as strict histories most of the time.

@colonelmorg3090

5 ай бұрын

Well that would be pure speculation without any evidence whatsoever. Might make a nice fictional story though.

seems like Jesus lives in Bart's mind rent free

Pre-Babylonian captivity: El = God Elohim = sons of El Post-Babylonian captivity: El = God Elohim = God This is called "syncretization" and some biblical character referred to as the "harlot of Babylon" did the syncretizing. Reading the Bible using the Pre-Babylonian captivity definitions of God's titles seems like a good idea 💡. Theology comes from combining two Greek words: Theos, meaning God, and Logos, meaning Word or rational thought. In Hebrew that's El and Elohim. [The Word is Elohim from Genesis 1] (not to be confused with Yahweh or the false Elohim associated with him in Genesis 2-3) Compare John 1: 1-5 with Genesis 1: 1-5: John 1: 1-5 Names of God Bible The Word Becomes Human 1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was already with God in the beginning. 3 Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists was made without him. 4 He was the source of life, and that life was the light for humanity. 5 The light shines in the dark, and the dark has never extinguished it. Genesis 1: 1-5 Names of God Bible The Creation 1 In the beginning Elohim created heaven and earth. 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep water. The Ruach Elohim was hovering over the water. 3 Then Elohim said, “Let there be light!” So there was light. 4 Elohim saw the light was good. So Elohim separated the light from the darkness. 5 Elohim named the light day, and the darkness he named night. There was evening, then morning-the first day. Compare: Hebrews 11 Names of God Bible 3 Faith convinces us that God created the world through his word. This means what can be seen was made by something that could not be seen. and: Romans 1 Names of God Bible 25 These people have exchanged God’s truth for a lie. So they have become ungodly and serve what is created rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen! with: Genesis 2 Names of God Bible 2 Heaven and earth and everything in them were finished. 2 By the seventh day ELOHIM had finished the work he had been doing. On the seventh day he stopped the work he had been doing. 3 Then ELOHIM blessed the seventh day and set it apart as holy, because on that day he stopped all his work of creation. The Creation of Man and Woman 4 This is the account of heaven and earth when they were created, at the time when YAHWEH ELOHIM made earth and heaven. (What is the difference between created and made? The difference between something being created and something being made is that when something is created it is brought into existence out of nothing. But, when something is made it has been formed out of something else that already exists.)

I'd be extremely interested I hearing Barts take on Jordan Petersons take on genesis

What might have been even worse than Bronze age circumcisions was having an operation to *restore* the foreskin after circumcision. This was an elective surgery apparently received by quite a few Jews in the post-Alexander BCE centuries, when Hellenization was the rave in some parts of Judah. Since atheletics was a central part of Greek education, and sports were undertaken naked, it was clear who was and wasn't circumcised.

It's difficult to listen too, when you know that the doctrine of the 'Holy Trinity' is way out there as regards to the Bible and completely off base. Matthew 7 13-14 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

If Jesus was teaching that people need to repent and receive salvation, who was he preaching to? Those rebelling in sin? Gentiles? Religious Jews?

@Truth-Is-a-Hard-Pill

5 ай бұрын

Matthew 15:24 He (Jesus) answered, "I was sent 🚩 *ONLY* 🚩to the lost sheep of *ISRAEL* ."

@Truth-Is-a-Hard-Pill

5 ай бұрын

Jesus as well as his m3ssag3 was NEVER EVER meant for the Gentiles. Saul aka Paul the f3r0c10us w0lf in she-ep's clo-thi-ng whom Jesus wa-rn-ed about preached to the G3nt1l3s a Messiah which according to the Hebrew scriptures is a FA_LSE messiah exp0sed by God. Paul achieved what he set out to do. His work continues to date as the J3w nation re-je-ct-s Jesus as Messiah. There is already evidence of ANOTHER GOSPEL AND ANOTHER JESUS which is contrary to Paul's "MY Gospel" and people are QUICKLY abandoning the Paul's abomination "My Gospel". Galatians 1:6 I am astonished that you are SO QUICKLY DESERTING the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ AND ARE TURNING TO A DIFFERENT GOSPEL-- "....... ANOTHER GOSPEL -"

Interesting. I usually here it refered to as a devine council rather than a majestic we in Genesis.

My basic takeaway from this episode is that people are _really bad_ at setting aside their preconceptions when interpreting text. Although I suppose I already knew this from all the people who thought the Book of Revelations was referring to the immediate future. And those who claim the four gospels don't really contradict each other.

The Orthodox Church teaches that eternal life requires repentance and doesn’t see Jesus in the Old testament. By Christians you mean American Protestants. you just need to come up with a different name for the old testament, emphasizing its obsolescence.

@Truth-Is-a-Hard-Pill

5 ай бұрын

You've made some interesting points. Do you know of a people, a nation, which preaches, practices and defends the doctrine and honor of Jesus of the Bible in this day and age? It's not Christians. Thanks to Paul of the Bible the f3r0c10us w0lf in she-ep's clo-thi-ng whom Jesus wa-rn-ed about, the Christian faith made a H.E.R.E.T.I.C of Jesus of the Bible on most of the fundamental doctrines.

Could Bart please discuss the Book of J ?

@tawan20082008

2 ай бұрын

already has

I thought Elohim pointed to the polytheistic origins of Judaism and referred to the Canaanite pantheon of God's and Godesses.

Seems to me a lot of mental gymnastics to relate one book to another book and interpret everything in the OT somehow relates to Jesus.

@colacurciolaw7745

5 ай бұрын

All you need is faith. 🤔

@mooshei8165

5 ай бұрын

Amen *sarcasm ”

@dmann1115

5 ай бұрын

It's not all that different from law; it's amazing, the leaps and twists lawyers and judges do to make an argument or reach a desired decision. They can make it come out the way they want, witness the recent Supreme Court rulings...

I was raised to believe that the angel Michael was in fact Jesus.

*8:20** sun wu kong was also the rock.* that first rock was named thought. &, like jesus, his nature was irrepressible. but he had WAY more immortality than jesus. look it up. _JC

Was God also naked in the garden of Eden?

@kingnerri

2 ай бұрын

G-d is spirit No physical body to be naked.